#assassination
cobalt sphinx
indigo mulch
cobalt sphinx
they lowered the requirement for harbinger of the carved
i just got it when i logged in
lament stump
do we unspec cold blood for ER
indigo mulch
do we unspec cold blood for ER
If your playing cold blood your already playing fatebound. If your playing fatebound then no.
distant helm
is there a number on how much that echoing fix would buff us?
sonic briar
So with the ER fix are we going to play ER in m+ spec aswell
lament finch
Does this mean if I hit an envenom on rep it will proc deathstalker?
balmy condor
that's what it says doesn't it
runic hinge
Ok okay I’ll play DS in rain
woven knoll
what is our haste cap
lusty narwhal
No fucking shor
exotic rose
Is the bug fix a buff?
winged widget
Yes
slim compass
Is there an overall assassination video guide that we trust that explains the rotation? I really thought I had it down, but my logs are abysmal
fleet pagoda
more importantly a buff to gameplay 
winged widget
Less shitty mutilate casts to 7 cp when you can anima charge instead
Big qol which buffs morale, which buffs damage alongside cool xmog
slate crown
what is our haste cap
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
indigo mulch
It's about 1% buff i think. Not sure if the RC changes is in the sims but if i sim with RC i gain about 0.95% dmg.
runic hinge
Is there an overall assassination video guide that we trust that explains the ro...
Check out Whispyr on YouTube
plain pier
is it worth more to pick up resounding clarity now?
strange python
How much dps the ER fix is?
strange python
but its not fixed is it?
torpid lion
feel like it gotta be more than 1% buff right ur gonna get so many more giga envenoms per fight
tired gull
but its not fixed is it?
it is
strange python
oh fuckj
hearty pine
holy i just got farmed by a ret doing 2mil dps in aoe wtf is wrong with that class
indigo mulch
You should be doing more than 2mil dps in aoe if you play correct. 😒
I mean obv it depends on pack size but 2mil is not that much.
hearty pine
im monke brain so i dont do that much and probably never will
i did like a mil~
in aoe but packs lived for like 20 secs
fast olive
20s seems perfect ttk for assa
hearty pine
i always feel that in short pulls direct dmg hard out weights dots (yes very obvious)
somber nimbus
are you guys spreading bleeds on these adds on silken court fight?
or just focusing boss
strange trail
are you guys spreading bleeds on these adds on silken court fight?
no
gray olive
any1 here using Skardyn? the best time to use it, on burst of DM+KB?
hearty pine
I mean obv it depends on pack size but 2mil is not that much.
yea ok i found what the issue is
strange trail
are you using casutic splatter on that ight
yep
hearty pine
macro to deathmark
use 14 use deathmark?
balmy condor
if it's in your bottom slot sure
gray olive
macro to deathmark
ty
somber nimbus
im guessing you have bleeds up on both bosses?
hearty pine
ok was just making sure
strange trail
im guessing you have bleeds up on both bosses?
just killed xD
jaunty basin
whats a good assassination rogue elvui import plzzz
mellow sun
whats the secret sauce for deathstalker mark management on silken court?
wait out the burrow to not apply one?
kms
gray olive
or just focusing boss
Time to our caustic spatter shine
hearty pine
if you mean him going to the otherside maybe if you mean phase change probably no?
dusk ingot
whats a good assassination rogue elvui import plzzz
I run the shadow and light UI for elvui, works great as assassin
mellow sun
basically what happened is i had a mark expire during intermission and i had vanish on cd
so lost uptime on it
still a 97 parse but its normal so thats an l
tardy terrace
do we have any trinket sims
ripe umbra
is ER fixed?
scenic nacelle
yeah it's called top gear/droptimizer
check if the interaction with using vanish + ambush on DN doesn't reduce stacks anymore
I dont think it does anymore after tonight
scenic nacelle
leave work bro
balmy condor
I'm fixing sims
tardy terrace
yeah it's called top gear/droptimizer
😔
scenic nacelle
btw I did checked, it doesnt work
balmy condor
logs pls
royal lantern
wait we play 3charged CP ER now
didnt expect them to fix it tbh
cus its getting removed and stuff
heady marsh
Wait, what did they fix?
ripe umbra
cool, we take RS maybe?
ripe umbra
Wait, what did they fix?
you can consume NF buff
jaunty basin
I run the shadow and light UI for elvui, works great as assassin
can you explain this more ? not sure what you mean ? is this someones profile
hearty pine
i take what wowhead guide tells me
royal lantern
but I need to recheck all the sims
im going to bed anyway, you have time 
scenic nacelle
best I can do is go live on discord lmao. Im just beating a dummy
balmy condor
best I can do is go live on discord lmao. Im just beating a dummy
you're beating a dummy, but you can't log?
tired gull
I like to beat dummies
indigo mulch
I don't, i feel like a bully.
ripe umbra
I am at nexus princess, it was a nice surprise
scenic nacelle
Looks like I got to make an account -_-
zenith wasp
can<t log rn but tried 5 times without success same as he describes
hearty pine
yea imagine knowing how logs work idk i hope other people log
royal lantern
or find a guild
is that a NA thing? finding guilds trought wowlogs?
like, i legit only know it trought wowprogress here
never heared of anyone recruiting trought wowlogs
scenic nacelle
my guild just logs 
hearty pine
i use rio for guild
haughty flicker
my last guild reached out to me because i just set my character as looking for guild on wcl lmao
indigo mulch
wowprogress is pretty good too if your activly looking for a guild
dusk ingot
can you explain this more ? not sure what you mean ? is this someones profile
it's another addon that basically has it's own settings it adds to elvui, as well as adds some extra panels/etc for you. I get it thru wowup addon client.
haughty flicker
based
spice surge
Wowprogress is some 2010 type shit, cant believe its lasted so long
indigo mulch
Wowprogress is some 2010 type shit, cant believe its lasted so long
Don't talk smack about my wonderful friend.
he might be old and dated, but hes still somewhat reliable
sometimes
calm tendon
Wowprogress is some 2010 type shit, cant believe its lasted so long
2004 we had forums to communicate 😄
balmy condor
Wowprogress is some 2010 type shit, cant believe its lasted so long
actually though
I'm surprised the site is still functional
hearty pine
I still use it to check for rwf
shy pecan
r.io kinda does the same thing though as wowprogress, just more modernized and with more noise with articles and stuff 🙂
haughty flicker
transmitter sounds just as bad as ever
balmy condor
what does transmitter have to do with trinket nerfs
indigo mulch
balmy condor
then it's slightly worse than skardyns
sims right now play the mini game 100% perfectly
like buff right as deathmark lands and everything
and it's still worse
pliant remnant
ER FIX????????
balmy condor
pliant remnant
HNNNNNNGH
royal lantern
sims right now play the mini game 100% perfectly
damm, Quake is the raid robot?
uneven plume
so slightly worse as in the second best on use in the game for us?
spice surge
L aura for L spec ig
balmy condor
I'm waiting to see some people play it to get a feel for how hard I need to nerf it in the APL
cerulean ruin
im having trouble with energy late into fights, is that normal?
tired gull
yeah but what if you play better than perfectly hmm? what then
balmy condor
im having trouble with energy late into fights, is that normal?
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
haughty flicker
fuu described it as the worst experience hes ever had with a trinket
cerulean ruin
oncouncil right now
hearty pine
What is the mini game even don't have that trinket but people make it out to be painful
royal lantern
yeah but what if you play *better* than perfectly hmm? what then
then you start throwing out arcane orbs and do even more dmg
balmy condor
so slightly worse as in the second best on use in the game for us?
well yeah but if it's the second best and the best is fully farmable then why do I give a shit lmao
spice surge
Honestly the worst part about it is that the orb has a miniscule hitbox
willow cloud
Does anyone know why there are logs from April in the Warcraft log kills for court?
royal lantern
Honestly the worst part about it is that the orb has a miniscule hitbox
fits all other hitboxes in this expansion tbh
damm are some small
haughty flicker
Does anyone know why there are logs from April in the Warcraft log kills for cou...
beta testing i assume
idr when raid testing was
cerulean ruin
so according to that i should be holding for envenom when low?
willow cloud
That’s lame, you wouldn’t want to include those numbers in ranks?
balmy condor
what
haughty flicker
i mean im probably wrong i just made shit up
willow cloud
lol
spice surge
That’s lame, you wouldn’t want to include those numbers in ranks?
They shouldnt be in the rankings
balmy condor
why would you include beta testing in ranks
ripe umbra
Opener looks sick with 3 quick envenons
willow cloud
I am interpreting this from going to statistics, clicking the court ranks, then clicking through and e,.g. The top assignation parse is from April 24th
And that rogue has the #1 rank parse
Selibate EU
slate crown
That was a different version of the game
tired gull
he probably is celibate too gottem
indigo mulch
balmy condor
they're all september 10+
haughty flicker
I am interpreting this from going to statistics, clicking the court ranks, then ...
tired gull
never forget
haughty flicker
it shows yesterday for me idk
willow cloud
If I click into the log it shows April 2024, maybe just some guys weird name i guess
marble hemlock
haughty flicker
lmao
hearty pine
Ayo that's my realm 
tired gull
<a:hehehehe:922982350500007977>
this makes me feel uneasy
haughty flicker
you and ronkles were pumping
indigo mulch
balmy condor
If I click into the log it shows April 2024, maybe just some guys weird name i g...
if they have any encounter in the log from that date, the logs report the starting date of the file uploaded
marble hemlock
you and ronkles were pumping
ye, our priest was too lazy to figure out who to PI so he just gave it to me like he did in s4
willow cloud
if they have any encounter in the log from that date, the logs report the starti...
ROFL that log must be massive
tired gull
or he has reallllly slow internet speed
balmy condor
I uploaded a log hitting dummies the other day and it had junk in there from october
was a tiny log
marble hemlock
idk, the log looks clean
but maybe our mage who logged it had something old in there, idk
willow cloud
Yeah, i didn’t mean to say it wasn’t right, i was just confused
No shade intended, you pumped
hearty pine
@balmy condor is there a written or video explanation for the envenom holding and low energy rota cause I don't really get the click for it I always monke spammed generators for cp and used envenom at like 6+
tired gull
we're all pumpers here
pallid bough
Is there a rough % (napkin) on how much the DS bug fix is with ER?
marble hemlock
making sure to swap mark properly before intermissions etc.
assa in 2target is still fun
marble hemlock
early heroic logs are kinda meh anyway. most of the top players playing in top100 guilds are splitting still and may not kill the last 2 bosses, or tier bosses in general
willow cloud
Oh totally
marble hemlock
ye
but was nice having both ronkles and me at the top of the meter
even though were both on our alts
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is there a written or video explanation for the envenom ho...
if envenom remaining <=1 second, envenom
if not that, do not envenom
tired gull
but was nice having both ronkles and me at the top of the meter
cutie
tired gull
if envenom remaining <=1 second, envenom
if not that, do not envenom
what about energy cap situations
balmy condor
what about them
tired gull
just sit at 300 with envenom at 3s
indigo mulch
o0
balmy condor
the whole point is to not waste energy
mellow sun
i'd mutilate myself in that situation
indigo mulch
How do you even get energy capped on ST? D:
haughty flicker
marble hemlock
- that situation never happens to begin with
- you just envenom and build CP again
indigo mulch
I mean.. while pressing your buttons.
tired gull
it can hapen with ER fix ay
balmy condor
what
uneven plume
i thinmk they fixced ER
mellow sun
they did
balmy condor
ER fix does nothing for energy
marble hemlock
if youre in a situation of being at 300energy while having full CP and envenom has 1sec left
heady marsh
what even is ER
marble hemlock
youre doing something wrong
balmy condor
echoing reprimand
marble hemlock
or some boss gave you 500% haste
hearty pine
if envenom remaining <=1 second, envenom
if not that, do not envenom
So you auto alot since 6 secs is a long time to not envenom I feel like
marble hemlock
youll have pressed builders at least twice since the last envenom
and with VV mutilate costs 60 energy each
you aint generating that much energy in 5 seconds
hearty pine
So I maybe even have to use low cp envenom for uptime?
hearty pine
Ah and always envenom with 5 or 6+ cp?
marble hemlock
its a tiny gain to chain envenoms if you play the talent, but under no circumstance would you eever use envenom with less CP than is suggested (unless its hits an animcharged CP)
hearty pine
I feel like I maybe already did it right kinda
indigo mulch
Wait, so we shouldn't pool at all if we cant maintain the envenom chain? We just keep sending? O_o;
Or i'm i tired?
hearty pine
If I had logs I would send them to see my mistakes
balmy condor
this is actually so simple
generate to 5+
are you at like 270 energy? spend your energy
are you in your cooldowns? You should be spending energy, it's your cooldowns
do you need to refresh rupture? then refresh rupture, if you don't need to refresh rupture
is envenom not up or does it have around 1 second remaining? Press envenom
if none of the above are true, you fucking wait
jagged eagle
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hearty pine
this is actually so simple
generate to 5+
are you at like 270 energy? spend you...
Thanks
marble hemlock
if youre not playing SB, theres barely any benefit to pooling. theres also no downside. whether you press the envenom at 130energy or 260, your envenom uptime over the entire fight will remain the same
balmy condor
yeah
indigo totem
I lurked on the pin and understood. That man deserves a bar tab to enjoy away from the comments section. Or because of it.
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
hearty pine
if youre not playing SB, theres barely any benefit to pooling. theres also no do...
I play the m+/raid talents from wowhead never changed those
tired gull
i'm having the most difficult time finding a pvp wrist crafterman
balmy condor
I lurked on the pin and understood. That man deserves a bar tab to enjoy away fr...
getting blackout drunk doesn't stop the horrors
I see discord when I close my eyes
marble hemlock
whispyr tried
willow cloud
i'm having the most difficult time finding a pvp wrist crafterman
I could not find someone to r5 my wrist yesterday either
marble hemlock
numerous times
his own posting just becomes more unhinged
but it doesnt change his attendance
tired gull
I could not find someone to r5 my wrist yesterday either
took like 2 hours to find daggerman, wrists are just /wrists
hearty pine
Sorry for being an idiot @balmy condor
indigo mulch
Wait, that just makes it even easier. I've been overthinking shit then. I've been trying to pool to maintain the envenom buff as long as possible and when i ran out of energy i just waited to do another chain. =C
balmy condor
Sorry for being an idiot <@167090536602140682>
you're actually one of the more reasonable people
marble hemlock
Wait, that just makes it even easier. I've been overthinking shit then. I've bee...
thats how we used to play
because of the amirdrassil 4pc
indigo mulch
Yeah
willow cloud
took like 2 hours to find daggerman, wrists are just /wrists
I had so many people trying to charge a 20k tip with r3 mats for dagger, was brutal
hearty pine
I'm trying to become better cause I feel like I could do more
balmy condor
you're parsing like a solid 70
in terms of people to deal with
above average
learning is good
tired gull
I had so many people trying to charge a 20k tip with r3 mats for dagger, was bru...
my guy didn't have a requirement, so i gave him a 10k banger, gotta help a brother out you know
indigo mulch
I'm a forever blue green logger bro!
balmy condor
outlaw chat 3 hours ago I see a wave of like 0-15 parsers
uneven plume
finally got the big sac
balmy condor
that shit is miserable
delicate trench
wow second point in lethality is 5k more dps over resounding clarity
flat sentinel
i got spyglass and skardens 😄
balmy condor
wow second point in lethality is 5k more dps over resounding clarity
you sure?
sudden torrent
So delving today was rough... But got tier 8 unlocked
hearty pine
So just to get it right if I hit 0 energy I upkeep garrot/rupture and only use envenom 5+ and let it fall off I can't do 5+
indigo mulch
thats how we used to play
So, i legit just press envenom whenever i have enough energy and envenom buff is less than a second? D:
willow cloud
my guy didn't have a requirement, so i gave him a 10k banger, gotta help a broth...
Yeah I think I did 10k (might have been 5k, can’t remember — but it was giving the guy a skill up too and wasn’t someone I knew)
marble hemlock
So, i legit just press envenom whenever i have enough energy and envenom buff is...
yes
delicate trench
using what brain i have :3
flat sentinel
weres the notes about the fix i couldnt see anything
marble hemlock
you can pool back up and try to play around rapid injection as much as possible
slender shale
I just had my fourth combo point (empowered by EP) apply darkest night! Is deathstalker's EP interaction fixed?
marble hemlock
but rapid injection sucks balls
tired gull
I just had my fourth combo point (empowered by EP) apply darkest night! Is death...
yep!
indigo mulch
yes
I guess i got damanged from amdrassil. I don't even think i thought about not pooling.
real granite
yo, stupid question, i know it says poisons in the tooltip, but does spatter procs off all nature damage, or only nature damage that comes from actual poisons?
tired gull
yo, stupid question, i know it says poisons in the tooltip, but does spatter pro...
nature dam
balmy condor
using what brain i have :3
can you link me either of these sims so I can compare it in top gear like a normal person
balmy condor
weres the notes about the fix i couldnt see anything
there is no note
tired gull
can you link me either of these sims so I can compare it in top gear like a norm...
you expect discordians to be normal???
real granite
nature dam
wow, thats huge then, ty
delicate trench
can you link me either of these sims so I can compare it in top gear like a norm...
i would really really appreciate that
indigo mulch
but rapid injection sucks balls
I don't think i'll be playing around rapid injection lmao.
willow cloud
If someone has decent 7/8h logs, where would I go to see if I can find any 2 night a week mythic guild that needs a rogue? I haven’t gone looking to join a guild since like wrath.
tired gull
i wish i could play rn i wanna pump
indigo mulch
I'll just be slamin my envenoms. I can turn of my brain and just look at numbers.
hearty pine
So just to get it right if I hit 0 energy I upkeep garrot/rupture and only use e...
Would this be correct mister rank 1 @marble hemlock
marble hemlock
If someone has decent 7/8h logs, where would I go to see if I can find any 2 nig...
EU or NA?
willow cloud
NA
marble hemlock
tired gull
i only find guilds by playing with friends/old guildmates
tired gull
https://discord.com/invite/vN2sWsB
based
marble hemlock
i wouldnt use wowprogress anymore
indigo mulch
Honestly, i'd rather play with friends ;X Trying to push those world rankings are to stressful for my old heart.
marble hemlock
So just to get it right if I hit 0 energy I upkeep garrot/rupture and only use e...
technically that is correct, yes. rupture/garrote uptime are way more important than envenom uptime
like
waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more
but you can still reach very high envenom uptimes already as well, it shouldnt really be an either or
hearty pine
I think then I was doing that pretty much
willow cloud
can also try warcraftlogs and raider.io recruitment
thank you for the pointers
hearty pine
I always used 5+ cp on envenom always prio on marks uptime if I got dn always 7cp rupture and garrot even vanish garrot if vanish was up and then just spammed I guess but with blindside in ST I think I could hold for buff
mellow sun
is there a tiered medalion equivalent in tww?
tired gull
I always used 5+ cp on envenom always prio on marks uptime if I got dn always 7c...
5+ finishers
hearty pine
Last question if I got to 7cp via ambushes I just send envenom or wait for buff? @marble hemlock
hearty pine
5+ finishers
Yes that's what I said
marble hemlock
Last question if I got to 7cp via ambushes I just send envenom or wait for buff...
hold unless youre about to overcap energy
balmy condor
is there a tiered medalion equivalent in tww?
yes
marble hemlock
you dont wanna cast envenom again before it reached pandemic
unless youre about to overcap
spice sentinel
why tf is it so fucking hard to reapply mark if it fades in combat, am i doing something wrong? vanish gets insta popped and cant ambush fast enough
hearty pine
I see so there is the time we're you could do nothing
marble hemlock
yes
it is absolutely normal for assa to not press buttons
for long periods of time
slate crown
is there a tiered medalion equivalent in tww?
yah you buy the recipe for me?
hearty pine
Ok thanks alot I will put this into pratice
hearty pine
For long periods??? I thought at most maybe 3 or 4 secs
slate crown
shit I outed myself
tired gull
i'm a poor
balmy condor
For long periods??? I thought at most maybe 3 or 4 secs
envenom duration can be like 8 seconds
so I guess around 8 seconds
arctic summit
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
runic hinge
Damn. 8 seconds is a long time. Dunno if I can hold out that long
hearty pine
Ah I was always going after the 6 secs on tooltip
marble hemlock
For long periods??? I thought at most maybe 3 or 4 secs
within the scope of wow, that is long periods
hearty pine
It might sound dim but what's pandemic?
marble hemlock
theres very few classes that dont press buttons either on GCD, or close to it
balmy condor
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
hearty pine
Ah
balmy condor
its why you don't need to refresh gar/rup at exactly 0.0
hearty pine
I do when my wa blinks
balmy condor
yeah
hearty pine
I got luxthors
balmy condor
your wa is blinking when you hit that 30% window
hearty pine
Probably butcherd his name
tired gull
whisp do you know our average expected APM as sin
balmy condor
any time in that window is perfectly acceptable
balmy condor
whisp do you know our average expected APM as sin
in logs or in sims?
cause logs calculate it a bit differently
tired gull
ahhh, i guess logs
royal lantern
iirc was like, 55-60in Dragonflight
hearty pine
So only with lots of energy I go over buff thanks alot
royal lantern
should be kinda the same?
hearty pine
Thank you for the advice and the guide @balmy condor
And thanks for tips and advice @marble hemlock
balmy condor
ahhh, i guess logs
like 55ish for fatebound and like 52ish for deathstalker?
plus or minus a couple
not really an exact science
arctic summit
Are we doing authority of the depths or radiant power enchants on weapons?
marble hemlock
And thanks for tips and advice <@210784027752398848>
all based on the theorycraft done by smart people like whispyr, cev, eleem and others 
topaz pebble
echoing rep fix out now or the 17th?
celest helm
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mellow sun
wait this thing says its actually adding stats?
oh just for 10 seconds and goes away
sadge
balmy condor
yeah they added a check for dragonflight
if you're not in shadowlands areas
it removes itself
analog swallow
think we'll start taking resounding clarity with the fix or nah?
balmy condor
yes
analog swallow
yeah, i figured it would be back, it's too good if it's working
thank you for all the work you put in
tired gull
even if the fix isn't huge numbers, it feels great to play tbh imo
modest gale
we play resounding clarity now in st and aoe ?
warped lily
Hey guys which missive should I use?
analog swallow
peerless
young dust
YO
maiden anchor
!energy
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
analog swallow
see the pin lol
tired gull
yessir
young dust
right before its getting changed?
young dust
see the pin lol
apologies
mighty beacon
tired gull
right before its getting changed?
changed in 2 months sure
hollow blade
what talents do y'all use for broodtwister?
young dust
all good, didn't mean to be a jerk 🙂
it was sheer excitement of seeing it work
young dust
what talents do y'all use for broodtwister?
i dont run CT, just splatter
tired gull
what talents do y'all use for broodtwister?
st + caustic
for everything with adds tbh
arctic cove
Im guessing everyone is back on RC for both aoe and st, lets gooo
warped lily
Should I add embelishment ?
tired gull
Should I add embelishment ?
sure, it's only gold
warped lily
Which embelishment
west crown
With 1 shiv charge its better to use it on the second half of KB right?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
sure, it's only gold
tired gull
(if you use whispers wa it shows when to press shiv)
warped lily
omg whispyr is here xd
balmy condor
(if you use whispers wa it shows when to press shiv)
does that work with single shiv
I actually have no clue
warped lily
I just spend all day watching his video
tired gull
yeah
arctic cove
!wa
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arctic cove
crit
tired gull
so guys, which embelishment should I add to those wrists
do you have nerubian embellish on dagger?
warped lily
No, but im planning on crafting daggers
so should I use that embelishment there instead?
tired gull
!craft
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
idle siren
after the echoing reprimand fix is the bug where deathstalkers mark gets eaten at max combo points still there?
warped lily
Its fixed?
crude schooner
Very recently yes
tired gull
it's fixed hurray!
idle siren
I didnt understand that about the whispir video
if you have the buff that applies deathstalkers mark on max cp envenom and then ambush to apply it. if you finished at max cp on the last charge of dm it removed dm entirely
warped lily
So, If i Use a blue combo point, will proc as a 7 envenon and will trigger mark, right?
crude schooner
yes
warped lily
Nice!
tired gull
So, If i Use a blue combo point, will proc as a 7 envenon and will trigger mark,...
you betcha
frozen glacier
is maxdps decent to use for rogue?
tired gull
that's when you pump
balmy condor
I am not prepared
warped lily
that sound like an addon that do your rotation
frozen glacier
just shows the rotation that you should be following
runic hinge
I would not use a rotation helper
balmy condor
yeah
runic hinge
Just hit a dummy for an hour and practice your opener shit
warped lily
This is the dagger I should craft?
balmy condor
now I gotta also fight whatever this maxdps thing is
balmy condor
This is the dagger I should craft?
ye
warped lily
ty
balmy condor
many sins in this chat and I ain't talking bout the spec
warped lily
rose sun
is there a chart showing DPS game for tier set vs all 3 specs?
nova aspen
up arrow addon 
runic hinge
Easy way to know if something is an upgrade is to look at the Ilvl. If it’s higher it’s more than likely an upgrade. If you wanna see if things are an upgrade at max Ilvl or the same Ilvl just sim it
rose sun
more for loot distribution
tired gull
i love sin for the simplate matter that secondaries are pretty darn close
topaz pebble
Might be a terrible question, but if you dont fall on the blue echo'ing combo point you just keep doing your normal rotation until you do?
runic hinge
I sim droptimizer before raid and leave it on my second monitor
tired gull
Might be a terrible question, but if you dont fall on the blue echo'ing combo po...
yep
runic hinge
Might be a terrible question, but if you dont fall on the blue echo'ing combo po...
Yes
topaz pebble
ty ty
tired gull
tony you're s tier to me
runic depot
why are ppl crafting weps this week
slate crown
this time my delv map
was the stupid trinket
so many bountiful keys and maps ahve been wasted
on this garbage
versed vector
This fix seems to have broken it in other ways. Multiple times I have consumed five or more combo points without Echoing even up and it will not consume a stack of the Mark.
warped lily
do you have nerubian embellish on dagger?
What is the name of that embelishment?
balmy condor
This fix seems to have broken it in other ways. Multiple times I have consumed f...
they seem to have tried to fix something with darkest night and now you can't remove mark stacks while darkest night is up or something
it's getting tested
versed vector
they seem to have tried to fix something with darkest night and now you can't re...
Oh, big fun. Thanks for the heads up.
tired gull
What is the name of that embelishment?
ascension
austere bramble
how big of a buff for sin is this bug fix
pliant remnant
Somewhere between 1 and infinity
austere bramble
ok peter pancake thank you
pliant remnant
You're welcome axel
balmy condor
well if the darkest night change thing works the way we think it does
it's probably a net nerf actually
runic depot
whispyr have u crafted a wep this weke
scenic nacelle
oh noooooooo
balmy condor
whispyr have u crafted a wep this weke
no I haven't crafted anything I'm gonna wait for vault
runic depot
makes sense
tired stump
zoldyck factored into sudden demise?
true rapids
our off tier piece is chest ya?
balmy condor
zoldyck factored into sudden demise?
yes
balmy condor
our off tier piece is chest ya?
sure if you're squeezing out that last 200 dps
it's less of an "off piece"
willow cloud
on queen will cloak prevent death by wrest?
balmy condor
and more of a "with every other possible gear option available it's very slightly worse"
balmy condor
on queen will cloak prevent death by wrest?
no
still tree
oh huh yeah the proc DN > vanish ambush > full cp envenom doesn't consume a mark anymore
willow cloud
find it super hard to get a good shadowstep target there with all the crap and her massive model plus shield in the way
still tree
that's mildly annoying, hopefully they fix that in the next 4 months or so
balmy condor
find it super hard to get a good shadowstep target there with all the crap and h...
that's why you run out early
marble hemlock
this time my delv map
youre getting delve maps?
manic harness
I haven't seen a single Delve map
willow cloud
that's why you run out early
feels like that would mean melee just have terrible up time during the shield then?
balmy condor
yes
tired gull
I haven't seen a single Delve map
same
solemn apex
When did they fix the deathstalker echoing reprimand bug?
tired gull
When did they fix the deathstalker echoing reprimand bug?
today
solemn apex
So nice. I didn't see it in any patch notes.
tired gull
typical rogue update, stealth
tired gull
chyeah brother
warped lily
Can i Have daggers with ascension and wrist embelished?
tired gull
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tired gull
this guy has been writing a novel for the past half hour i swear
fleet pagoda
super trivial thing, and I'm glad I can't accidently lose my Deathstalker marks now, but it's kind of unfortunate that having DN going into a new pull misses out on that little bit of mark damage in dungeon content
runic depot
if I get a restealth off inbetween packs, do I want to manually cancel the envenom applying DS buff and just apply via ambush?
delicate trench
that envenom does 60% more damage so im guessing yes ?
fleet pagoda
if I get a restealth off inbetween packs, do I want to manually cancel the enven...
probably not worth it unless you've got your eye on like 4k .io
like imagine you do that and get forced out of stealth just before you ambush 
runic depot
i thought i was being giga lmao
fleet pagoda
although I guess you could do it after you've landed ambush... I wouldn't though haha. seems like extra work for a tiny gain
runic depot
first prio tho is to get that DS mark off tho yeah? so garrote > muti > envenom with max stacks and then build up for a rupture
umbral citrus
guys is echoing reprimand working with deathstalker now?
fleet pagoda
probably lead with ambush regardless ig, if you're tryin to activate mark on the next pack with DN you're gonna miss globals for IC and CT
fleet pagoda
guys is echoing reprimand working with deathstalker now?
yep
umbral citrus
oh lord
fleet pagoda
oh lord
just a heads up you can't consume marks while DN is active now, too, as you'll probably notice
runic depot
oh wait does ambush still apply mark even when u have the next envenom buff applying DN thing
fleet pagoda
yeah
quaint spindle
i am doing a 0 rn and my finishers are not consuming any death stalker marks. is there something im missing
craggy drum
do we play resounding clarity now instead of 2nd lethality now that ER is fixed?
fleet pagoda
i am doing a 0 rn and my finishers are not consuming any death stalker marks. is...
is darkest night active? marks won't be consumed while that's up right now, it seems.
quaint spindle
yea, so it is bugged
fleet pagoda
maybe. seems like a bandaid for people accidently thanos snapping their marks away to me 
quaint spindle
more upt time for hunt them down ig
balmy condor
ashen scroll
after doing some heroic ansurek pulls, i decided on sin. I come here and check for any updates and i see this
its a sign
shadow badger
@balmy condor your rushing to do these sims but think on the bright side. At least your not solo or guy dealing with the tidal wave of angry outlaw players.
ashen scroll
dealing with a tidal wave of outlaw players in any mood would be unfun
weary spear
that weakaura is a godsend. Luxthos' is generalized and doesnt have envenom uptime or deathstalkers. ty whispyr
sinful fable
it does have envenom and deathstalkers tho
since I'm using it
there's a bar under your energy bar, thats envenom debuff uptime
@weary spear
weary spear
i wonder if i had an old one
keen spruce
<@167090536602140682> your rushing to do these sims but think on the bright side...
You’re*
runic hinge
Whispyr was in the OL channel when the blue post dropped. I seens it
strange python
if I put an enchant on my leg gear and then use the catalyst, does it retain the enchant?
keen spruce
Whispyr was in the OL channel when the blue post dropped. I seens it
But that means you were in OL channel 
runic hinge
But that means you were in OL channel <:sus:1228868351086825532>
Yeah I wanted to see the overreaction
rigid eagle
hey guys
rigid eagle
how is fatal intent for sin
runic hinge
I was gonna ask that
keen spruce
wuts fatal intent? 
runic hinge
All your abilities stack a debuff and when mob hits 20% it pops
runic hinge
Yeah
rigid eagle
yeh that one
weary spear
no envenom uptime on luxthos one unless I'm blind
slate crown
no envenom uptime on luxthos one unless I'm blind
I assume it's this green bar?
weary spear
ahhh
willow cloud
is the time from ansurek pull to actually get full KB value kind of tight? I can't tell if I'm somehow being slow, or if the debuff is 10 miles away I am not able to maximiz the last big ticks of KB.
weary spear
yeah its the green bar ty
keen spruce
idk that's what it scales on
I was gonna do napkin math to procrastinate homework
just gimmy like rough numbers
10k ap?
slate crown
I don't even know how to know, I thought it would show on agi mouseover
but it doesn't
I have ~10k vers
slate crown
<:Dentge:1229191197944451153>
it me
runic hinge
isn't agi = 1 ap?
1 ap 1 dodge
Wait that’s feral from bc
Why do I have that knowledge
runic hinge
I should forget that and learn something else
Idk I’m at work
Oh shit I should go work
balmy condor
tranquil ruin
is offhand weapon dmg just as important as main hand
keen spruce
@rigid eagle fatal intent not that gud
keen spruce
is offhand weapon dmg just as important as main hand
no
fleet pagoda
is offhand weapon dmg just as important as main hand
no
keen spruce
jsut compare OH stats to any other piece of gear
tranquil ruin
mkay ty
keen spruce
probably one of the less important pieces generally
rigid eagle
<@176098736823336964> fatal intent not that gud
dang i thought maybe for sin with the 50 different dots and more haste
rip
keen spruce
It's on a proc per minute system as far as i can tell
I think most things are these days
so lots of dots don't really matter
fleet pagoda
pretty crazy, the amount of the talent variations within 5k of each other on those sims
sinful fable
Maybe I'm too tired this early, but reading the changes to Echoing Reprimand / darkest night, what exactly does this change for us rotation wise? Always open pack with ambush? and ER is just better?
rigid eagle
It's on a proc per minute system as far as i can tell
jesus lol
they rly went and put "actually nothing" in that node
kinda fucked
keen spruce
so like ~9ppm which is 9 on a 5 min fight which is ~ 150k-300k damage overall
fleet pagoda
it'd be kinda crazy if you were just deleting bosses that hit 20% health though
keen spruce
idk if AP is 2:1 with agi or 1:1
idk how the top guy on last boss got >600k dmg from it
but even that is only 0.14% of his damage
so basically nothing
and iirc there's a boss that starts at 60% hp in the raid
so actually dead talent on that guy
fleet pagoda
dead talent on his first half, he never goes beneath 60% in the dungeon 
rigid eagle
it'd be kinda crazy if you were just deleting bosses that hit 20% health though
i mean it should be at least 2~3% of our dmg no
rigid eagle
why not lol, surely common sense and logic apply to game designing as well
runic hinge
What if my guild kills bosses real slow and I get a ton of stacks hmm????
Think about that
rigid eagle
LUL
keen spruce
What if my guild kills bosses real slow and I get a ton of stacks hmm????
you're technically correct 
maybe they do sha of fear 2 electric boogaloo
and we get a 20+ minute fight
and then it does almost 1% of your damage
except that you're also doing more damage in that 20 minutes
sinful fable
so with the new math from whispyr, do we go 1/2 lethality and go back into Resounding clarity? seems logical?
keen spruce
so maybe it actually wouldn't
ashen scroll
so with the new math from whispyr, do we go 1/2 lethality and go back into Resou...
depends on your char, RS+ imp garr+MA was the highest sim but your results may vary
whispyr straight up said its char dependent, the builds are all very close
eternal hawk
sinful fable
yeah I'm guessing SimC wont be updated for a bit and thus I cannot sim correctly right now, ye?
balmy condor
its updated
ashen scroll
whispyr how much caffeine did you have today
ashen scroll
not bad
ashen scroll
south lava
keen spruce
anyone wanna do my marketing HW for me
sudden phoenix
Are there any youtubers or videos i can watch as guides for assination. ive read all the guides and think im doing most things right but would love an indepth guide if anyone can recommend
keen spruce
I drank a lot at my brother's wedding rehearsal dinner
and I don't wanna do a discussion before midnight
keen spruce
Are there any youtubers or videos i can watch as guides for assination. ive read...
Wowhead gonna be the most in depth. Whispyr wrote it and has a youtube channel. Lots of fundamentals are in there.
sudden phoenix
waittt does that mean our spec changes back
runic hinge
anyone wanna do my marketing HW for me
Yeah sure
hot tiger
the fact its only like a 1% dps increase is insane to me
it feels like it should be more impactful than that
rotund oak
for sub its crazy how much better its gonna be
sub is gonna slaughter everything now
silk bane
bro?
hot tiger
also wow outlaw is trouncing in raid
arctic socket
alright someone make it where i odnt have to deep dive sims
timid sonnet
The real change I expect is garrote applying deathstalker's mark
arctic socket
do we no longer that 2/2 lethality
quaint spindle
Sorry if im beating a dead horse with this question but is resounding clarity the move now over double lethality?
dapper cradle
check pins
quaint spindle
ok
dapper cradle
it's kind of a complicated answer, and whispyr has the best explanation
quaint spindle
doesnt he always
silk bane
how does sub even run er
silk bane
oh... sure
rotund oak
the true power of sub is in the arena
its jack the reaper all over again
embrace subs true nature
oak eagle
@balmy condor So we don't Vanish into Ambush when we proc Darkest Night now, right?
balmy condor
correct
rotund oak
i think ill never miss a mark ever again after this one
now i can freely not hold back
full send the vanish for bleeds
oak eagle
Do we just save Vanish now incase we lose our mark stacks?
rotund oak
yes this is the only factor now but idk how u can lose it now
u got er
only a very lengthy intermission or something
balmy condor
Do we just save Vanish now incase we lose our mark stacks?
if you dont play imp gar yeah
lunar pond
Food boss intermission maybe but then no imp garrote, so
They should just make DN static like how sacbrood sits ready to go
fickle lotus
They should change it to two buffs one buffing the envenom and one that you consume on next max combo point rupture or envenom to apply the buff
lunar pond
They are all about QoL now right lol?
rotund oak
if you dont play imp gar yeah
dear whispyr sir,are there any changes to our trees after the er/dn fix thingy?
fringe temple
deathstalker bugged or what ? my skills sometimes dont consume the mark
fringe temple
i just played the delves 1 min ago
rotund oak
ye u did something wrong in delves 1 min ago
fringe temple
ambush into 5+ combo point with rupture doesnt consume mark
how that doesnt consume mark
it was working yesterday
fickle lotus
worked just fine for me right now
balmy condor
you have darkest night up
fickle lotus
because you already have darkest night
rotund oak
DN is active my man..
fickle lotus
it's new
rotund oak
new tech
fringe temple
ty guys
rotund oak
ty guys
also if u arent into vicious venoms node u should create a WA to consume clear the witnesses buff
(that means pressing fok)
(yes even on Single target)
fickle lotus
honestly, the vicious venoms node is so much more chill to play
have to do so much more with imp garrote and such
still steppe
does anyhow knows how did whispyr simmed all the different talents
fringe temple
also if u arent into vicious venoms node u should create a WA to consume clear t...
just created one thx
rotund oak
just created one thx
you are welcome fam
fringe temple
honestly, the vicious venoms node is so much more chill to play
which one is better for m+
i sometimes find my self below %50 energy most of the long fights as well
i think it is wrong to play sanguine blades that way ?
balmy condor
does anyhow knows how did whispyr simmed all the different talents
I pressed the generate combinations button
and then selectively turned talents on/off
vestal crow
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tired gull
1 is all you need if you decide to craft
rotund oak
oh ok,just went through the entire new pin thingy,so we need to personally sim diff talents to see what sims higher for us coz its gear depended and stuff
cool cool
fickle lotus
My sims are telling me to just keep 2/2 in lethality 😭
arctic tusk
where was the echoing repirmand bug fix?
listed
fickle lotus
it wasn't listed
arctic tusk
o
dope
i was looking for this fix when they posted it and was sad it doesnt work lol
still steppe
I pressed the generate combinations button
got it now ty 
shy marten
yes this is the only factor now but idk how u can lose it now
i've lost my mark a lot in m+
there's a bunch of mobs that don't explicitly die and my mark disappears with them as they leave
am i just supposed to not full CP env to not use the DN proc
steep rover
I also noticed my mark was disappearing
ripe carbon
does bottled flaywing put a cd on trinkets?
like the 30cd shared
oh wait is it one time use
ripe carbon
so u dont have to keep pressing it just stays for 1 hour?
ripe carbon
i didnt notice the text at first
haughty lantern
PUT IN THE TIME 
cerulean walrus
Put on a shirt bud
haughty lantern
this is what 10k of crit, haste and mast looks like
rotund oak
am i just supposed to not full CP env to not use the DN proc
By m+ u mean m0 and heroics ig.. well if u have a mark on something u make sure u cleave off that with spatter
urban haven
First raid done, still no daggers, worth crafting at this point?
craft 2x 610 pvp daggers, dont use the spark on weps yet
rotund oak
until it dies
then send full cp envenom on the next and trigger DN
massive dmg etc
then continue with bleeds
shy marten
By m+ u mean m0 and heroics ig.. well if u have a mark on something u make sure ...
i think im talking specifically the 2nd boss of grim batol
rotund oak
mark is highest priority unless u can restealth and gar before sending envenom
rotund oak
i think im talking specifically the 2nd boss of grim batol
2nd boss on grim batol is the dragon dude
shy marten
that bro lives long enough for about 4-5 full finishers
and then he runs away with my mark on him
at 1hp
he's so annoying i hate it
rotund oak
vanishing the intemission at start but now im just vanishing for the add spawn
shy marten
so you just dont have a mark on the boss until the add spawns?
rotund oak
no ive got the mark on boss and when the add spawns i vanish ambush it
kill it and then transfer the mark back
shy marten
how do you have a mark on the boss
my mark leaves me by being on the dude before the dragon
he runs away with 1hp with my mark
and im stuck in combat so i cant stealth
rotund oak
no why should i,he leaves in the first 15 seconds
shy marten
im so confused what you're saying
rotund oak
mark has no value
rotund oak
yes he jumps when his hp goes to 1
arctic tusk
so vanish does either
shy marten
so then what do you mean he leaves after 15s
arctic tusk
to spread bleeds in mass aoe, apply improved garrote in burst or to reapply DN
shy marten
he sure doesn't do that in my m0s
weary spear
what you guys running for heroic brood?
shy marten
i swear i described in detail what is happening to me and you just didn't read
empty timber
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rotund oak
ye so,u bleed him up u envenom twice and he dies
still steppe
@balmy condor is there a way to preset the settings so that i can just import it back again every time i sim
empty timber
Is there a WA to track DS marks ?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is there a way to preset the settings so that i can just i...
no
shy marten
can't you use the advance settings
you can put all the option tweaks of the sim in the text input
subtle drift
Okay so we have ~8 different builds with margin of error. Which one is the most easy to execute?
shy marten
is the funnel for prio dam from DS really "within margin of error"
carmine shore
when did the fix to ER come in? did i just straight not notice it until doing some m0s after raid?
i did a big
Ah see a 9:22 post, I'm just a silly goose
ripe carbon
wat ilvl are u?
arctic socket
600
still stone
ripe carbon
we didnt get queen done