assassination

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah spatter and it does insane damage

Even if it was only st you’d prob still take it because it is so strong

[misty hare]

i see

[ruby oyster]

Yeah if I have everything ready I'll of course follow opener but if not then 2 shivs is plenty of time to still affect 2 CB envenoms even if cold blood is delayed, again not saying that it makes sense number wise but it makes sense in my head xd

[novel star]

anyways arterial precision 30% bleed damage buff is cool or whatever but its only 8 seconds and target capped

[misty hare]

8*2 if u specced into double shiv

plus Shiv boosts kingsbane as well

[novel star]

shiv doesnt boost kingsbanes aoe tho

i mean it would technically with arterial but like, barely

ur only increasing the spatter itself by 30%

[misty hare]

yeah

[novel star]

and targetcap

[misty hare]

okay cool. and how about Shrouded suffocation and Serrated bone spike? better to take both?

[novel star]

kinda need both theyre like the glue that makes the whole thing work

without suffocation using ic is fucked

[misty hare]

yeah i can see that

[novel star]

like there is the cleave build that does most of the changes ur thinking of

but its

specializing REALLY hard into st damage and fucking your aoe

[misty hare]

yeah makes sense

blindside + zoldyck, i assume we go for that since we dont use a shiv build , huh?

or swap blindside for tiny toxic blade, for the energy effeciency on shivs?

[novel star]

idk id recommend just looking at wowhead and reading the builds lol theres 3 of them for m+ and they all have long descriptions explaining their purposes

[novel star]

energy is super who cares in m+

[misty hare]

oh ok, i was reading up on icy veins but there's not much to read about the builds

[novel star]

u have infinite

[novel star]

yeh icy is just less info

and less up to date

[drowsy orchid]

I just got champion 3/8 chest in delve. Does it worth upgrade to tier using token this week?

[shadow tulip]

Hmmm, does our poison/nature dmg stuff effect the Toxis trinket?

[novel star]

only use catalyst once you have another piece of tier and can actually finish the 2/4set

i got a champ helmet and catalyzed it assuming itd be safe then got hero track from a delve map and now im fucked

be patient til u get another piece from raid or a 2nd charge

[drowsy orchid]

okay thanks

[blissful spire]

can we just bind skardyns grace trinket wth Dm since they share a 2 min cd?

[novel star]

ye

[tough trail]

what spec are u guys using for dungeon atm?

[crisp pine]

This is gonna sound crazy
but I'm actually running Assassination atm

[tough trail]

lol, talentbuild ofc

[lone lantern]

hey guys, are the delve trinkets sim reliable atm?

[raw cobalt]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[coral agate]

Wow, Shadow Essence (https://www.wowhead.com/item=225693/shadowed-essence#comments) is simming really high for me. Even above 606 upgraded trinkets

[spiral gale]

Big if true

[main urchin]

anyone here using the LE wa pack that can tell me what this is :

figured it out nvm. its thistle tea

[novel parcel]

Psst yall super quick, I apologize for the random question. When you get Darkest Night, and your envenom buff has like 3 seconds left. Is it better to send a normal envenom to keep the buff and then do the full combo point envenom for Darkest Night? And when I'm low energy with this same scenario and not able to build up to max combo points for the Darkest Night envenom during the envenom buff, do I just send the Darkest Night without the envenom buff?

[sullen dust]

What do you do if you run outta energy in ST? Just stay still n auto attack?

[slim pebble]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[willow cloud]

ok, so wax is definitely so bugged, hope they fix, but won't hold my breath

[main urchin]

if we overwrite the envenom buff with another one, does that overwrite the damage (wasted) or does it do something to compensate ?

[balmy condor]

Does our poison/nature dmg stuff effect the toxis trinket?

No

[violet jackal]

any spark senders?

[slim pebble]

I did

I’ll probably regret it, but I’m not r1 raiding so it isn’t a big deal

[balmy condor]

You are full speed slamming for darkest night you have to get the mark back up

[violet jackal]

what did you make?

[novel parcel]

Thanks! What I thought but I wanted to make sure

[slim pebble]

I’ve got a dagger/bracers

[indigo oyster]

Got lucky with my trinkets and got Skardyns Grace and Dead-eye Spyglass. But when I sim, the Shadow binding ritual knife sims waaaaay, way higher, in spite of being listed as an F-tier trinket, does it sim weird or is the debuff just that bad?

[proven zealot]

is there a "sweet" spot for haste to not feel sluggish

[civic sentinel]

so is CS basically useless on Rasha'nan? It didn't seem to hit any adds.

[pine grove]

You mean the weapon oil-thing? Bugged how?

[willow cloud]

it just stops firing at some point

i am in an h brood where it hasn't procced once, but when i initially applied it was

[south nest]

yea randomly itll stop going off for like 20 mins

[spice surge]

You cant really get the ritual knife higher than 626, but ye its not an F tier trinket. It looked like it before they fixed it in simc

[pine grove]

God damn it.

[novel star]

the !wax command says the bug is related to offhand but from what i can tell even mainhand wax literally just doesnt proc

most of the time

[spice surge]

like until a few days ago that trinket didnt work in simc

[pine grove]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[novel star]

its a complete disaster

[indigo oyster]

Its just odd to me that it sims for such a drastic increase when I literally have BiS :p

[jolly heath]

How about serum, I guess we can get it at heroic level from hidden chest in delve

[fickle lotus]

it was proccing for me today in a mythic dungeon and delve

[runic hinge]

I think it has to do with the bosses hit boxes being humongous or something since it drops underneath them

[novel star]

no it just doesnt proc

it has a huge visual effect you know when it procs

i can have it on my main hand and just be doing like dungeons and shit

and it simply isnt proccing

for full dungeons at a time

[spice surge]

Well your trinkets are not 639

So you do not have bis

[south nest]

yea mine stopped proc'ing for 20 mins i had to reapply and it started working again

[novel star]

^

[fickle lotus]

legit two hours ago it procced 6 times on a boss fight

for me

[indigo oyster]

Oooh, I kinda figured it'd be BiS regardless haha, suppose Ill just wait till I get it in 639

[quasi steppe]

!talents

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fickle lotus]

highest you can get it is hero tier

[empty viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal python]

Hey i just checked, basically after you deathmark, vanish cb envenom (with 5 cp)

You'll be lucky

[novel star]

the cb before envenom can just put you back to 1 coin tho right

u guarantee a 2 coin with double jeopardy on the first rupture

then pre cd envenom is 50/50 keep stacks or reset

[royal python]

I mean I'm always getting lucky right off the bat

Let me recheck

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[white orchid]

I think they just have to be closer to boss bc my spatter did fuck all too lol noticed for some thet had spatter do like 14 mil total damage while I was sitting at 2 mil bc the adds were just not close enough

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah i had 2% spatter on rasha

But that’s about what IB contributes anyway lol

[mellow rover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[crimson wigeon]

How is wax bugged ooc?

[willow cloud]

after some short amount of time, it just stops proccing

[balmy condor]

It’s just weird in raid it seems

Maybe in m+ as well

[crimson wigeon]

Oh lol. I wasn't aware of this bug. Just farmed out a few myself because stones expensive rn

[royal python]

Ya it's not guaranteed, just very high chance

[willow cloud]

stones are fucking dumb right now

[royal lantern]

use oils

and accept the GIGANTIC 0,2% dmg lost

[cobalt sphinx]

i think you might need to reapply if you die

[spice spire]

Pissed

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rage-gif-8504008861365887604

[stiff knot]

I like how the best advice for Assassination rogues trying to solo delves is to not be an Assassination rogue.

[rotund oak]

i literally solo'd all ym delves today

[royal lantern]

i mean, the beast advice in general is "wait until blizz fixes them"

[worn badger]

Assuming they fix them and balance them accross all classes, is the delve build still a thing or just use hybrid with tricks for brann ?

[stiff knot]

I mean sure but don't pretend like Assassination isn't 10x sweatier than any any other spec at the same level in solo devles

[vestal wren]

my advise from earlier still holds

they will tune delves down again, waiting might be reasonable

[rotund oak]

if u have a brann 25+ lvl its cakewalk

[worn badger]

my brann is 28 and its still sweaty

[spare lodge]

Does this mean Vanish > Tea > garrote > deathmark?

[rotund oak]

what have u assigned him as

[worn badger]

dps

[rotund oak]

what curios

[worn badger]

uhh those probably suck havnt had good luck with 4/4 ones

[cloud basin]

How many swapping to outlaw after the first rankings are out I wonder lol

[rotund oak]

anyway,try amorphic+rage-filled or brute force

and watch him do 3mil dps

[balmy condor]

It’s already quieter here thank god

[cobalt sphinx]

outlaw actually has stat weights so it's not an easy swap

[cloud basin]

Oh I noticed when I tried it out last week lol.

[worn badger]

useing porcelain and timelost at the moment cause its 4/4 and others are 1/4

[rotund oak]

..

rage-filled is twice as good even on rank 1

[true rapids]

do you not press fok at all with vicious venoms or does it just not matter if you forget to use clear the witness?

[rotund oak]

same for brute force and it might kill u

[quaint dragon]

damn this wildfire wick trink is baddd :c

[worn badger]

k ill check it out

[kind isle]

Treacherous Transmitter why is this simbait? a friend of mine doesnt understand

[cobalt sphinx]

you gotta do a goofy ass dance to make it work

[balmy condor]

The mini game are horrid

[spiral steeple]

becouse you have to do weird shit to activate it

[royal lantern]

well, we dont see 30x "what are my stats???" and "is assa gonna be meta????" anymore

the last one got replaced with "WAIT IS OUTLAW THE GO NOW???? SHOULDI PLAY OUTLAW?????"

[worn badger]

either way ive got all 3 slots filled in gv for 616 at least heh

[rotund oak]

my mage has it alot easier and its 10 ilvls less thats true but its all about brann and dodging stuff,nothing special to it

the delve hotfix to the hotfix is coming tonight anyway

so basicly wait couple of hours

it will be better soon

[spiral steeple]

think is already up at least in eu

they definetly feel much easier now then 3 hours ago

[rotund oak]

cool

i jsut woke up in the morning and let my brann do his dirty stuff

😅

[cloud basin]

Accurate lol

I mean if I play outlaw it's for solo delves😂

[worn badger]

deep underground away from decent people is the only way outlaw should be played

[plush bronze]

is outlaw the go now?

[royal lantern]

outlaw iss the way to go out of my face and into the dumping place that is #outlaw

[rotund oak]

[plush bronze]

idk tho dawg. i get it, you're tired of seeing it but it's a community discord full of people in a new expansion

[royal lantern]

i mean, its people that chase high dmg overall bars

and refuse to actually learn and understand stuff

[cobalt sphinx]

they are asking a question

[royal lantern]

and jump the second its not their perceived bis anymore

[cobalt sphinx]

is that not learning

[crimson wigeon]

Outlaw is the highest performing raid spec in all the log pics so I imagine people changed quick

[plush bronze]

ye but that's all games, wow especially, and has been for a very long time

[rotund oak]

technically no,learning comes after that but its a start

🤓

[plush bronze]

just either answer or dont and move on. most people dont realize that just swapping specs isnt gonna do anything for them bc they dont know how to play it but let them be happy

[cloud basin]

I mean I'm just making jokes myself personally. It's not that serious to me as I'm here to have fun lol. If outlaw was actually way better I'd swap purely to help progression

[crimson wigeon]

I jumped from feral because feral will never be good in m+ and 1 of the rogue specs is always pretty good lol

[lunar oracle]

Was that not the expectation already? Outlaw for raids and Assas for M+?

[royal lantern]

filter hit

i saw it

[indigo mulch]

As with everything, you should wait for mythic before saying that outlaw is the way to go. All bosses in hc/normal are target dummies.

[surreal oar]

Hey guys quick question, how do you deal with tanks that doesnt let you restealth between packs ?

[plush bronze]

weirdly, I'm kinda tired of playing outlaw tho, so I swapped to assassination this patch and I love it

[plush bronze]

vanish or yell at them

[surreal oar]

vanish on cd

[plush bronze]

but fr, you have plenty of tools to still do damage, it doesn't have to tank your damage

[surreal oar]

got kicked out of a group

[royal lantern]

by understanding that restealth doessnt matter for you and that chainpulls are awesome

[subtle tundra]

thats literally the opposite of basically every patch ever

[sweet storm]

outlaw on m+ is so tiring to play after 2-3 keys

[lunar oracle]

If talking tothem does not help, then yeah, not much to do about it.

[cobalt sphinx]

just manually rupture and spattermax

[royal lantern]

tbf, outlaw is almost always atleast decent

[surreal oar]

but the dps loss is absolutely monstruous

[royal lantern]

#outlaw just loves to act that its unplayable cus its then no great on the last boss and sspin that into "its unplayable in raids"

[royal lantern]

its not

[surreal oar]

@royal lantern care to elaborate ?

[royal lantern]

assa LOVES chainpulls

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

there

[cloud basin]

I mean caustic spatter is great for AoE for a reason. I like being able to spread bleeds easy but that spatter damage

[royal lantern]

mosst of our aoe dmg is CT and spatter

rupture is mostly just energy and agility trought scent

garrote is w/e outside of stealth

[balmy condor]

When half your damage is CT/spatter and you can rupture snipe targets as your chaining it’s really really good lmao

[frigid kestrel]

Depends on the key levels and how well you play. If your trying to play around the 18 - 20 level (or in previous seasons 25 - 30) you could have played Feral. At the end of the day if its fun and your good at the spec, as long as you are not playig at a Top Tier level you can get away with playing almost any spec in game.

[subtle tundra]

100% there will be tuning on tuesday but i doubt assa gets anything

[idle crane]

Anyone else read through the 20th anniversary patch notes for ptr? I feel like it looks good but I’m not great and analyzing that kinda stuff, I just see the QoL things and get excited lol

[subtle tundra]

its too mid to get anything

[balmy condor]

Pins

[royal lantern]

overall good changes

1-2 sub things are a bit weird and could use a look at again

[delicate trench]

Oh man but the 20th anniversary changes are really exciting

[royal lantern]

and im personaly not a fan of the tea change, but its good

[idle crane]

Ahh, thank you!

The slice and dice thing is probably minimal but I’m stoked about it lol

[delicate trench]

Echoing reprimand is the biggest for me

[lunar oracle]

Blizzard seems to try to come up with a solution for the 'button bloat'. Let see how it works out.

[ivory frigate]

Hello ! wich part did you guys craft ? with wich embellish ? I was waiting to be sure

[crimson wigeon]

Yea I was good at feral and pugging 20-22. It just will never be that good. It's talent tree is too dog shit. Taking 3 or 4 AoE talents guts your ST so now we're mid ST and AoE. Made it even worse in TWW. Nerfed AoE dmg, giga nerfed energy regen in aoe.

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal kindle]

Nt a bad weapon in delve ....

[indigo mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/urqux8PyUQwatpq27Qxq42 I've decided to become a coin flipper! :C

[crimson wigeon]

I still don't really know how fatebound works and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

[subtle tundra]

you literally play the game

and it happens

nothing you care about

[ivory frigate]

Ty for that !

[runic hinge]

I’ve been trying DS lately and it’s kinda fun. Something else to play around

[indigo mulch]

I dunno i just prefer not having to think when i raid 😄

[idle crane]

I think I’m going to go fatebound when I get home today, I’ve only been playing rogue for less than a week and enjoying the hell out of it, but I feel like I’m probably missing the mark with the way I target switch and just not being as aware of where that deathstalker mark is, fatebound will probably be better for me lol

[indigo mulch]

Maybe it sounds bad but like, the less i have to focus on executing my rotation correctly the better i can play ;s

[balmy condor]

Reasonable take to have

[indigo mulch]

I don't even think fatebound is worse or better than DS is though

[cloud basin]

I went fatebound last night purely for progression to learn the fight

[indigo mulch]

I'm playing DS in m+ but in raids i don't feel like it matters :S

[pine grove]

DS is fine when you get used to it, but the bugs mid-raid were making it very cumbersome and probably costing me more damage than is gained by it simming ahead of FB.

[idle crane]

I hit 80 yesterday and powered up to 590 and am doing good in my heroics, hoping delve is a little better tonight for some more gear 😬

[cloud basin]

Sometimes you can get the lucky coin in your opener and you're happy lol

[wild pewter]

Hello all, I have a question about assassination, mainly on boss fights during a dungeon scenario, i noticed for boss fights after maybe the 1 minute mark i tend to become energy starved even with the garrote/rupture tickin on the boss. By that point i believe i am also already out of tea charges as well. is this normal? is it due to the current gear we have? Do we just pool/adapt to a slow cycle at that point?

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[hoary kernel]

depends on hero talents, DS you like to go below 40% energy and with the other one you would like to pool higher. At least from what I've read.

[wild pewter]

i guess the app is correct and i probably am just busting envenom windows and probably should just let the debuff run its course with autoattacks+ pooling

[hoary kernel]

Yea IDK if pandemic still works on the envenom buff, but that's generally how it works

[wild pewter]

was mostly concerned on how it would go for tyranical weeks

[main urchin]

is envenom a debuff we also try to maintain on as many enemies as possible ?

[runic hinge]

It does

[pine grove]

It's a buff you maintain on yourself.

[vast finch]

Kek,no diff,but i'm used to ds more already

[main urchin]

i get pretty overwhelmed trying to keep up rupture,garrote, and envenom

[hoary kernel]

No Envenom is a buff, so once its active wherever you attack you will have envenom

[main urchin]

oh great. thank you

[pine grove]

Is that DS vs FB?

[main urchin]

i was worried, felt impossible to do

[vast finch]

yeah

[hoary kernel]

Oh wow, thanks I needed that information haha

[vast finch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r3p4ZSfE5EhgC93MRcweYZ

[pine grove]

You'll get there. I find the spec pretty relaxing to play. Got a good flow to it.

[pine grove]

Dang. DS sims 8k more for me.

[vast finch]

depends on your stats i bet

[main urchin]

so that must mean we want always make sure to have full envenom uptime during kingsbane i assume

[pine grove]

Aye, for sure.

[pine grove]

Yus.

[hoary kernel]

correct more poison application bigger kingsbane at the end

[scarlet spade]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[indigo mulch]

if you have massive amount of crit/mastery then fatebound will prob sim higher than DS since darkest night reduces the value of crit a bit.

[pine grove]

Yeah and FB likes crit more due to Deal Fate.

[indigo mulch]

Its just what stats you have really ;s

I still don't think DS is better than FB in raids. ;s

[pine grove]

Aye. I was just envious it was so close for Bellizar. 😄

[pine grove]

I'm taking the theoretical hit and moving to FB just due to the temperamental nature of DN.

[hoary kernel]

I feel like deathstalker is so bugged, it sometimes feels horrible to play

[pine grove]

100%.

[indigo mulch]

I don't think its as bugged as people say it is. Its just the EC interaction that feels bad.

If you just ignore it then it feels better

RC*

[pine grove]

I've had DN just not be consumed at a max CP Envenom.

Repeatedly.

[hoary kernel]

I mean you would get more darkest nights during CDs if ER works properly

[thin owl]

yoo bois what items are u crafting?

[west cove]

is there an ideal haste % that people are sittting around? currently at 3%

[pine grove]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[indigo mulch]

I feel like Darkest night should be able to be consumed at 6 and 7 not just 7 CP.

While it dosen't matter much but it feels bad mutilating at 6 CP

just to get to that 7th CP

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[thin furnace]

And i've consumed last mark while DN was active from other pull and not reaplied/reset the cd. Happened on boss without vanish available. Almost 2 mins without hero talent

[tired gull]

sigh

[hoary kernel]

Tell me about it... Nothing infuriates me when my mark just disappears midfight. But it's also like "Did I do something wrong?"

[west cove]

despite the opinion on lack of breakpoints 3% haste does feel bad

[thin owl]

yoo bois what items are u crafting?

[tired gull]

weapon bracers

[pine grove]

Belt and bracers w/ Dawn.

[indigo mulch]

I did weapon/belt.

[rotund oak]

Depends but most likely wpn/belt

[indigo mulch]

@balmy condor did you kill queen last night btw?

[dim estuary]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[barren trout]

what uptime are u getting on dawnthread?

[distant plinth]

Have you simmed it?

[dusty zenith]

So is bubbling Was broken. Not to be used right now?

wax*

[feral pelican]

So i have a hjuge problem. Looking at the other rogue in my guild and looking at top parsing rogues they are getting 50% crit on thier enven9om.... while i only get 15-20% and i am not understadnding why..... i have significantly more crit than the other rogue in my guild and i get more casts as well on envenom.... anyone have any idea what i might be doing wrong?

[rose sun]

Outlaw
All ability damage reduced by 4%.
Dispatch damage reduced by 10%.
Melee auto attack damage reduced by 8%.
The War Within Season 1 2-set bonus now grants listed abilities a 35% chance to deal 30% increased damage as Shadow (was 20% chance, 15% damage)
The War Within Season 1 4-set bonus for Between the Eyes increased to 15% damage per stack, up to 4 stacks (was 6%, 3 stacks)

[subtle tundra]

whats your

hero talebnt

[quaint dragon]

wut?

[proper axle]

thats the tuning thats on wowhead

[subtle tundra]

ok but why type it here

[nocturne quail]

melee M+ comp incoming

[fleet pagoda]

was thinkin' we'd see some nerf to CT

[subtle tundra]

outlaw living rent free in yo head

[feral pelican]

what do you mean i am using death stalker

[novel star]

what a strange change

[indigo mulch]

Why are they nerfing outlaw before mythic is even out.

wtf

[subtle tundra]

thats normal though

[novel star]

pretty normal

[subtle tundra]

for hc week

[novel star]

they always do that i thought

[faint path]

dude isnt it gooood? finally trinket

[novel star]

thats the purpose of hc week

[indigo mulch]

Yeah but its not like outlaw is SUPER duper dominant

[faint path]

it is

[novel star]

they kinda are tho

[faint path]

thanks god outlmao got nrfed

[subtle tundra]

yea it is xd

[novel star]

like outlaw was

pretty fucked

[faint path]

fuck outlaw I hope they delete that spec

outlow

[indigo mulch]

I don't feel like it was. ;s

[spice surge]

Outlaw is not dominating

[subtle tundra]

the statistics said it was

[spice surge]

And this is barely a nerf, its a tier set buff

[indigo comet]

can they fix us

pls

[faint path]

buff assas nerf all classes 🙂

[novel star]

i mean did u look at the logs

[faint path]

did they nerf warrior too?

[novel star]

sin being primarily good in aoe right now was still barely poking its head into the top 10 pulls on the aoe fights

vs outlaw

[tender cedar]

we still going Dawnthread Lining 2x ?

[dusty zenith]

/use 13
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

will this work?

[deft vault]

how are they buffing outlaw tier and not ours lol

[tender cedar]

or what would you cradft with 2 sparks

[dusty zenith]

use trink and dm and potion

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, i really don't feel like outlaw was that super duper dominant. Sure it was a decent spec but it wasen't like destroying everything else.

[unkempt sapphire]

I dont even think Ive seen an outlaw rogue in my raids

[novel star]

the logs unfortunately just disagree with that feeling

[spice surge]

They dont though

Outlaw is doing fine yes

[faint path]

same but logs says opposite

[spice surge]

But just because it does more damage than assa

Doesnt mean its dominating lmao

[indigo mulch]

Exactly

[novel star]

not everything else in the game but everything else on rogue

[spice surge]

And until this change outlaw doesnt have a tier bonus

[faint path]

stats says its dominating

[spice surge]

Whereas other specs do

[novel star]

which is still a reason to tune it down prolly

[indigo mulch]

I mean... assassination gains like 2%. Outlaw gain.. 1%? 😄

[spice surge]

Perhaps you just have a different interpretation of the word dominating

[subtle tundra]

all blizz did was nerf top 5 and buff bottom 6 from warcraft logs overall

[indigo mulch]

I mean boomies REALLY needed a buff

Like badly

[subtle tundra]

top 5 -> all nerfed

[novel star]

also i mean...

how much are people yapping about fury being broken rn

and noone is contesting that topic

but outlaw is RIGHT THERE

under them

barely

[raven egret]

I mean those charts must be read in context

[novel star]

and it didnt need to be touched o_o

[spice surge]

Overall damage

Bruh

[unkempt sapphire]

blizzard hello?

[subtle tundra]

i mean

[unkempt sapphire]

im getting scammed out of my heroic weapon 😦

[raven egret]

and context here is that the raid gives a LOT of points to quick high cleave parsers

[subtle tundra]

thats literally what blizzard did

they looked at those

and did nerfs and buffs

[faint path]

who says outlaw is not dominating?

like wtf

[wind spire]

would say 4 of the top 5.... think enhancer is just a swap of the dmg source.

[subtle tundra]

i was told it was a nerf

but who knows

[novel star]

still relevant lol

[spice surge]

Its not a big nerf

[subtle tundra]

i aint smart

[spice surge]

Its just a token nerf

To compensate for the tier buff

[faint path]

delete the outlow spec and 1 button fury and peace

[spice surge]

So they actually want to use their 4p

[novel star]

ye idk what % their tier alr gives

[raven egret]

bro again, you are looking at an overall chart of data that is context specific, crazy to me that people see this chart and go like 'OMG DOMINATION' when the raid profile benefit the top classes due to their damage profile, not necessarily just raw numbers

[glacial crypt]

outlaw channel in shambles holy

[raven egret]

adjustments and tuning will happen, and so far so good

[faint path]

fuck outlaw ❤️

[wind spire]

i'm a bit confused.. whas the reason that assa is on the last places in raid? 😮

[faint path]

I just got this trinket is it good ?

[grand trail]

its pretty pog

[subtle tundra]

it does less damage than other specs

[normal mist]

oof

[indigo mulch]

Assassination lacks single target. Its funny how assa has ALWAYS been the spec that does all the single target dps. Now we're AoE monsters but suck on ST 😄

[faint path]

ooooh so good

[silent delta]

I think someone needs to paste the image again it hasnt been on my screen long enough

[keen spruce]

[faint path]

nerf more oooh

[wind spire]

yeah but why? the most fights have aoe situations and in dungeons it looks so good 😮

[keen spruce]

L bozo pirates

[spice surge]

Outlaw is unplayable on the last boss anyway

[indigo mulch]

^

Even sub is kind of oof on the last boss.

[faint path]

This trinket is not even upgrade even tho I have 580 trinkets wtf 😄

[cobalt sphinx]

Ahahahahahahahahhah the bladestorm changes

Bladestorm merchants OUT

[indigo mulch]

I mean, to be fair. If the last boss and 1 or 2 more bosses are good assassination fights, most people will just play assassination.

[glacial crypt]

assa just feels better across the board this tier honestly

[sterile violet]

i feel like the nerf on the fury + arcane shouldve been more

get them out permanently

[cobalt sphinx]

Sin is fun but i wouldn’t be surprised if sub will dunk on it with 4p

[brazen wedge]

can i use auth of depths and radiant power if i run raid and m+ conentent?

[quaint dragon]

no is illegal

[cobalt sphinx]

It is nice that i don’t want a 1h sword or fist anymore

[indigo mulch]

Sub has on demand burst aoe. Its way better suited for some of the encounters to pad your dps. They also deal more single target dps currently.

[brazen wedge]

what enchants to use if i run both?

[quaint dragon]

ur enchants are fine

[dusty zenith]

Anyone able to help me with this macro? Its not using the potion.
/use 13
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

[indigo mulch]

If you put sin infront of 5 mobs that survives quite a long time then sub will be left in the dust ;s

[arctic socket]

deserved

fuck em

[bronze pike]

net netural all things considered

tier buff is huge

[haughty flicker]

a tragedy in two parts

[royal lantern]

because outlaw tier was so bad its incredible

you would ignore tier pieces over good stated normal items

thats how bad it was

[bronze pike]

[faint path]

delete outlow ❤️

[hearty reef]

Sinbros.... Not like this.....

[arctic socket]

So basically what ur saying

[sterile violet]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Deathmark

[arctic socket]

outlaw with out tier

got fucked

[faint path]

fuck outlow ❤️

[hearty reef]

It was supposed to be out time.....

[indigo mulch]

I think outlaw was THE worst set in the game.

[unique summit]

looks like need more enh buffs

[short ledge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[indigo mulch]

I'm a bit worried that htey keep buffing enha, they are just going to absolutly destroy everything once they get gear lmao

[glacial crypt]

enhance is already just pumping lmfao

[bright turret]

they're allowed to soar since you can't really factor in WF anymore

[near canyon]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[spice surge]

Very confident those changes to enhance are not intended to be a buff

Its just a nerf to their tier

[haughty flicker]

witch doctor change is definitely a decently large nerf

the 4% is just to counter it a bit

[indigo mulch]

I'm curious why they are not touching assassination. I honestly would expect them to nerf our aoe ;o

[haughty flicker]

with what data

[subtle tundra]

cause its mid in raid
and other specs aoes are just as crazy

idk why you think were op

[haughty flicker]

m+ tuning will come when m+ is out

[dawn pollen]

like the didn't nerf shadow priest last expansion aoe

[bronze pike]

and they got nerfed

cause

dog cdr

[spice surge]

1-2% nerf for storm and 7-8% nerf for elementalist is what i read in the shaman discord

[subtle tundra]

m+ tuning pepelaugh

[peak musk]

!fuu

[spice surge]

So ye, very much not buffs

[peak musk]

!fu

[haughty flicker]

yeah sounds about right

cutting dog cdr in half is pretty big

[indigo mulch]

rip :C

never lucky shamans

[frail escarp]

how did someone upgrade these to 636

[still tree]

I haven't played enhance in years but I just kinda assume that anything reducing feral spirit uptime is kinda a big deal

[slim pebble]

I would like them to just leave us as mid so we don’t get nerfed into the ground

[haughty flicker]

[steel jay]

you can get gilded from delve map

[uneven plume]

Boys

We’re safe

Outlaw in shambles rn

[haughty flicker]

thats just showing pvp ilvl for some reason

it scales to 636 in pvp

[spice surge]

Probably just a tooltip issue, its not 636 in pve

[haughty flicker]

its actually just normal veteran track

[spice surge]

Ye its just in pvp

[wind spire]

what u think after the announced outlaw nerfs? any chance that assa rises above outlaw in raid?

[frail escarp]

ah ok thanks

[slim pebble]

It’s pretty much even with their tier set buff

[subtle tundra]

we were never in danger

[arctic crown]

!embellishment

[copper hazel]

outlaw in shambles

[slim pebble]

!crafting

[gentle rover]

Anyone know the spell Id for the improved garrote debuff on a target? Trying to differentiate between improved vs not in a WA

[uneven plume]

Sin supremency

[arctic crown]

what is

[spice surge]

It doesnt have a different id

[arctic crown]

sin

XD

[faint path]

fuck outlow buff assas ❤️

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[royal lantern]

do m+ and reach a boss

[spice surge]

However you can yoink an aura from LE here that shows it if you dont want to make your own custom code

[indigo mulch]

Damn the outlaw channel is in shambles.

;o

[slim pebble]

Yall are in melee range?

[gentle rover]

Already in too deep for that but ty edit: nvm I see what you mean

[royal lantern]

good one

[spice surge]

Respectable, good luck champ

[tawny geyser]

They had to put slow mode one 😂

[novel star]

theyre so pissed

deserved

fuck pirates

[royal python]

i just got 10 stacks of fatebound coin on a dummy without the lucky coin buff

[indigo mulch]

Someone said its just a -3% nerf. if thats the case then outlaw is still safe lmao

[strange python]

!gem

[clear vine]

assastinknation

[slim pebble]

Outlaw is still gonna be strong, they’re just dooming to doom

[buoyant mauve]

is there a WA I can send to my priest so I don't have to bother her about when to pi me

[vestal wren]

we don't have a gem command

[indigo mulch]

but

[royal lantern]

dooming? in ravenholdt???

[indigo mulch]

we have a fuu command!

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

😦

[fossil slate]

You can macro a whisper

[subtle tundra]

why is whispyr on loserlaw

[haughty flicker]

putting out fires

[novel star]

moderating

i guess

[bronze pike]

cause hes trying to contain the shitfest

[subtle tundra]

i forgot.....

[bronze pike]

that is outlaw

[short ledge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[gusty mirage]

@bronze pike hi :3

[bronze pike]

hi :3

hru

was a hot min

[gusty mirage]

im okay, finally get home before 7pm and outlaw is on fire

[indigo mulch]

[bronze pike]

as per usual

im about to serve tacos

and get ready for work

glad i was here for this

[faint path]

so next tier 8 will be extra reward right so its good?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

You'll get a 610 item next time you do a delve when you use that one.

[faint path]

oooo so good this is my first map

[indigo mulch]

I've only managed to get 1 map so far

[frozen iris]

How is there a world where outlaw gets a tier buff and we don’t

So quickly

[indigo comet]

bro how can u manage every single channel

[runic hinge]

Their tier was worse than just using non-set pieces with better stats

[balmy condor]

Built different

[indigo comet]

same as your yt videos

bangers

[balmy condor]

Ty

[spice surge]

Bro is managing pins at work and then again on his free time

[distant plinth]

I got 3 bounties on my 3 first runs today. Holy moses i thought i would never get em

[indigo comet]

i did 10 got none

im starving for hero item to make it catalyst

[distant plinth]

Buy shoulders from ah, cost 200k

[bronze pike]

ban all oulaws

[bright turret]

Some people are just spoonfed, I've done 24 across 2 chars and never seen

[faint path]

delete outlmao

[indigo comet]

im in debt with my guild

[pliant remnant]

Where's the Assa buff, Blizzard

[distant plinth]

Leave and join a new one

[distant plinth]

Where is the ER fix for DN

[fickle lotus]

would rather have bugfixes than buffs tbh

[indigo comet]

if they fix Deathstalker Sin will be giga good

[pliant remnant]

What fix, it's working as intended

[indigo comet]

no one has bis trinkets and 4sets on wracraft logs yet

[subtle tundra]

ofc
but neither do other classes

so fym

[haughty flicker]

i would not expect any changes to er

[indigo comet]

我会进监狱

[haughty flicker]

since its disappearing in like a month or two

[bright turret]

why bug fix ER when you can just delete the skill in a month or two

[crisp stream]

They are changing er so why fix might be the mentality

[frozen iris]

Well shit. Alright.

[distant plinth]

True

[charred crest]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[indigo comet]

sin/sub will skyrocket on boss damage

[subtle tundra]

not really

[fickle lotus]

lmao no it won't

[indigo mulch]

Sin will absolutly not sky rocket on ST lmao

[subtle tundra]

the classes that get 10% from tier set will

cause there are some

[indigo comet]

sub will get optimal cd timer

[crisp stream]

Like udk

[indigo mulch]

2p+4p combined is like 2% for assassination.

;X

[bright turret]

worst case scenario is having to learn dust sub when its getting deleted soon

pray it doesnt come to pass

[safe shale]

Any idea why artistry is simming as best for me XD?

[balmy condor]

Probably because you didn’t have replace on

[indigo mulch]

^

[fickle lotus]

[safe shale]

See thats what i thought

But

[devout fiber]

whats our talents for delves/mythics

is it all the same?

[fickle lotus]

that doesn't mean replace is on

[scenic nacelle]

Scroll up a bit higher and check replace gems and enchants

[safe shale]

Must ahve missed something then lemmi check again

I see you

checkbox

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

Yeah pretty much

[safe shale]

Cheers

[balmy condor]

Tricks is good

Might want to try tricksing brann

But the scaling atm is whack

So would just wait for a bit

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i just went sub to solo delves.

that was way easier ;s

[royal lantern]

it doesnt work for me 50% of the time lol

[bright turret]

outlaw delves for the constant vanishes and evasions are the real play

[royal lantern]

like, enemys have 0% threat on me and still run me down

[hybrid tree]

Tricksing brann while out of stealth fixed the issues for me

[bright turret]

brann is a strong tank

[zenith hatch]

I did 9 today solo with DPS Brann, its now easier than grp tbh

[indigo comet]

they'r working on a tuning atm

group of 5 just get one shot with every single ability

[wide atlas]

In how many targets is better to start using envenom over crimson tempest.
Do you apply crimson tempest on ST. how
If I start a pull (aoe, let's say 10 targets). I imagine I dot garrote, rupture as most as I can. When do I apply shiv, how. And do I use the purple 7-combo point deathstalker mark ???

[zenith hatch]

Ye so i heard. Lets see what will they do

[indigo comet]

well i missed all of the delves today thanks to them

[balmy condor]

Tempest is a dot, you envenom when you don’t have to maintain ct

[carmine tartan]

I found success by jsut not stealthing, tricks bran out of stealth and knife throw and run away lmao

[slate cradle]

peak gameplay

[quaint dragon]

any reason to save carved crests?

[wide atlas]

Even on aoe. If 20 targets and they are already dot. I envenom

[bright turret]

hitting a mob with a ranged attack and LOSing really is the play for delves

lotta mobs dont social like you think they would

[west crown]

Maintaining garrote only the prio target in aoe is what we do right?

[carmine tartan]

only packs with 4+ mods gave me trouble, casters like to ignore bran even if they ahve aggro and cast on me

[naive crane]

@balmy condor yoyo, quick question for the without improved garrote opener. i always land on 4 CP after dm/shiv/kb/mut. do i need to hit another Mut for the darkest knight proc or is it okay to envenom with 4cp?

[pliant remnant]

That is how Caustic Spatter works, yes.

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s how caustic spatter works

[pliant remnant]

Holy shit

That was in sync

[formal pasture]

what weapon enchants are good ?

i tried looking on wowhead found nothing

[balmy condor]

Should never finish on 4

[willow cloud]

Note the heralds, in my experience, completely ignored brand even through vanish. I had to just stealth past these new mobs.

[slender needle]

https://i.imgur.com/DjD7ehp.png

[naive crane]

so it should always be double mut to get atleast 5 CP

[hearty reef]

hi whuspyr

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight reef]

How yall liking Sin so far?

[bronze flicker]

whats the best crafting items to go for now

[lament stump]

my fav spec as a new player

[formal pasture]

@slender needle ty

[tranquil berry]

anyone can recommend a plater profile to track raptures a bit easier:( ?

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice surge]

Any of those

[lime delta]

all m+ builds I've found don't use [Lightweight Shiv] but all rotation guides keep telling me to use both charges to cover all of kingsbane
what do I do if I just have 1 shiv charge? do I send it before kingsbane still or do I shiv midway kingsbane so it covers the final ticks

[runic hinge]

Can you still swap to trickster cast one hour tricks then swap back?

[tranquil berry]

thx ❤️

[crimson crest]

send for last 8 secs of KB

[balmy condor]

didn't work for me

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

[faint path]

Guys am I gonna use that delve map inside of delve or before delve?

[feral pelican]

so i am looking at my logs..... anyone know why I am not getting ANY death stalkers marks at all? even when i ambush from stealth?

i am so confused

[indigo comet]

it works for me when i use it in outlaw
then reroll back to sin
same as sub

[balmy condor]

before I think

[feral pelican]

i am not getting any of those and by proxy no darkest nights

[balmy condor]

you're either attacking before ambushing or your stealth bar doesn't have ambush or something to that extent

[pliant remnant]

Both Wowhead and Icy Veins tell you what to do with 1 charge btw, not sure if you're looking up guides somewhere else

[feral pelican]

how does it work cause i see like 35 applications on other rogues but we can realistically only get 4 ambushes freom stealth off

[sweet storm]

!CRAFT

!crafting

[feral pelican]

@balmy condor

[runic hinge]

I’ll try it when I get out of work if they fix the tubing

[sweet storm]

😦

[runic hinge]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[indigo comet]

link your log

[sweet storm]

ty

[faint path]

yes true

[feral pelican]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/dR6218cBmr4wMvW3/self#fight=31,31&source=24,13

[balmy condor]

darkest night reapplies

[feral pelican]

thats a compare

I am roslyuh obviously and the other rogue is in my guild

[safe shale]

Are you tab targetting.......

[feral pelican]

like i definitely go onto other adds

but even so i should have a couple stacks

[safe shale]

Question
and
Answer
Promote me know, commuinity figure, lets go

[feral pelican]

i have zero

[safe shale]

Stop target swapping

[balmy condor]

you open with a mutilate mate

[tranquil berry]

why is that bad?

[feral pelican]

like i have to right.... i am supposed to swap and cant just cheeze

[safe shale]

You apply your mark to your target, if you swap targets, you arent consuming marks

Swap once it dies

and reapply mark

[safe shale]

Ok wtf, i didnt think itd be something that simple

Das crazy

[indigo mulch]

[feral pelican]

thats crazy i dont know how i oipen with that

unless i wasnt stealthed for some reason

cause ambush in where my multilate is

[safe shale]

You pressed it not me

[acoustic roost]

Dude just check your stealth bar

[feral pelican]

i have ambush there i already looked

mut isnt even on my stealth bar

[safe shale]

then you wernt stealth

[cobalt sphinx]

Just get a tracker on plater or WA

[feral pelican]

i agree

[cobalt sphinx]

You should have one already

[feral pelican]

a death stalkers mark tracker

[cobalt sphinx]

So you can vanish in case that happens

[safe shale]

But also dont be swapping targets so often, funnel into a main target, and aoe off of that, to use your marks, swap once dead and reapply mark

[indigo comet]

i suggest you to use whispyr plater its pretty good

[haughty lantern]

is there any merrit to using 1 auth of depths and 1 auth of radiant power?

[safe shale]

no

x2 auth seems to always sim higher, from my experience at least

[haughty lantern]

obviously sim yoself is the default but i was just curious b/c my enchanting friends can make radiant rn but not depths

[safe shale]

Yeah r2 auth still really good though

was like 30k increase for me

[haughty lantern]

ye ye ye

with like r3 enchanting everything and 6 gems (2 sockets in each jewelery) it was like a fucking 7.5% dps increase

from enchants/improvements alone

[indigo mulch]

Still farmin grim batol trinket :C

that alone is like 20k dps for me 😭

[safe shale]

Feeel that

Though i think its only like 10k for me now, still huge

[haughty lantern]

i think karma threw me a bone. After first night of raiding and getting nothing, i did an ara-kara right after, and i got the E G G

next night, 2 more bosses down, still nothing, i go do a grim batol, i get skardyn's grace

[royal lantern]

radiant and depths are literally almost 0 difference

radiant slightky better in aoe, depths slightly better in ST

[safe shale]

damn

[royal lantern]

take your poison

[safe shale]

This

[wide atlas]

How do I record my own logs, lfg/pugs for example? Explain like I'm five

[iron valve]

Those webs will summon nerubians. Don't stand in 'em! 🙂

[safe shale]

Depends whatyou simming for yeah

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

idk how to feel about the tuning changes

if this improves or worsen's sin's place among the dps

[royal lantern]

not really changing much

[crimson wigeon]

we should enchant both mainhand and offhand right?

[boreal aurora]

@feral pelican You were in your other rogues shroud xD

That’s why you probably thought you were stealthed*

[safe shale]

yes

[novel star]

Ye

[static glacier]

thing is depending on scenario we could at best be like top 5-6 or at worst be bottom 7 perhaps?

[novel star]

dont waste good crests upgrading offhand if u need em still but definitely enchant it

[static glacier]

I doubt fury won't beat us even after the bladestorm nerfs on st

in df I never felt so unable to compete on pure st as I did this week

[wide ferry]

lmao outlaw nerfs

[safe shale]

^

[faint path]

Fucking map I have waist craft already.... 😦

[safe shale]

Right after everyone switchin to OL xD

Laul

[crimson wigeon]

y'all are getting maps?

[wide ferry]

I got 2 so far

[tall atlas]

guy is so mad about the OL tuning he put slowmode on in the OL channel

[faint path]

it was my first map 😄

[safe shale]

You jokin

[static glacier]

tbh if OL is ever doing that well in pure st it's a major red flag

they were crushing all fight types

[tall atlas]

2min slowmode

[crimson wigeon]

which fight is this from?

[static glacier]

idk if OL deserved a nerf ngl

shoulda been net neutral

[royal lantern]

its apperantly like ~ -2%

nothing gigantic

biggest thing is that the tierset is now actually worth using at all

[static glacier]

it just kills any chance it was optimal to play OL in raid

[royal lantern]

cus it wass really really really REALLY bad before

like holy shit was it bad

[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[static glacier]

then again maybe OL was performing so well bc it wasn't set reliant

[safe shale]

Yeah you cant crush ST, cleave and aoe, thats kinda pointless and bad design imo, everyone shoulf be better at some stuff and worse at another, if yo are ok at all sure,but BEST at all, lol

[tall atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mkc4vCKBFd89yjWw#fight=26&type=summary&source=116

[pure field]

I can never find anything in the plater menu, you guys know where I can choose which debuff to show on the enemy nameplate?

[static glacier]

idk if tuning based on pre-tier set performance is fair

[pure field]

I just wanna track rupture and garrote not all the poisons

[vestal lintel]

Man i really do not wanna play outlaw, that spec looks and feels like shit

[novel star]

-3% or whatever wont make them unviable and they will also still be the best spec lol

[safe shale]

sets arent really that big this time round tho

[novel star]

not best by as much as they are rn

but still best

[static glacier]

no flame, in full seriousness: have you played rogue long?

[mellow rover]

question, why is neck from stonevault best neck? shouldnt we use crit/mastery

[static glacier]

ain't no way OL is going to see play in raid if it's not doing like 15-20% more dps than sub / sin

[balmy condor]

buff tracking, should be left side of the second row

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

ye i just forgot by "in raid" you mean like rwf

[static glacier]

I mean HoF pretty much

[novel star]

i really just dont care about what the game at that level is like at all other than watching it

[static glacier]

in amirdrassil iirc it was 3 OL rogues in hof

it's deffo playable for anyone inc hof but your guildies won't accept it

/ likely to be flamed

[sharp wadi]

In what world does OL NEED to be 10-15% higher, it just needs to be better

[novel star]

then get in a different guild or just play outlaw

[pure field]

awesome thanks

[mellow rover]

thx

[sharp wadi]

Better in the important fights, there's no arbitrary number it has to be better than the other two

[novel star]

if you are playing at that level you already long ago accepted your fate of playing whats meta instead of what you like better

and if u arent then who carez

[sharp wadi]

Correct

[static glacier]

OL even with favourable tuning typically isn't played due to uptime requirements invalidating it on several fight types in additiont o both sub and sin having favourable dmg profiles for raid

[unkempt warren]

how big are 2/4 set for assi?

[static glacier]

needing high uptime + flat dps isn't favourable at all

[indigo mulch]

2%ish if i remember correctly.

[sharp wadi]

Sure but accounting for the "uptime requirements", if it does more damage it is what will be played

[indigo mulch]

I think most sets are between 3~5% Then you obv have the outliers that are like 10% 😄

[static glacier]

I can provide several log aggregates of times where OL did more dps but wasn't anywhere near as much played from df

could be argued that the only people who play OL are diehards of higher skill than the other spec's playerbases bringing up the average, or that it's better tuned but worse represented

hard to judge really

[sharp wadi]

Was this because accounting for "uptime requirements" it didn't actually do more DPS?

[indigo mulch]

Honestly. What specs that will be played is very dependant on the end bosses.

[static glacier]

on fyrakk for example im fairly sure OL did more overall than the other specs (post sin nerfs) but wasn't played bc wack shield dps

compared to the other two

[indigo mulch]

Samething happened in DF, assassination was pumping but some of the fights were just better sub fights so everyone just swapped to Sub and everyone played sub.

[grave blade]

Outlaw rogues are seething while we're chilling. I'm bout it.

[sharp wadi]

Frost DK BoS has a very similar problem but if it's better than other specs on the last few fights, it's what's chosen, not ONLY if it's 10-15% higher

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#boss=2677&region=1 2 logs, top spec on fyrakk in 10.2 xd

[balmy condor]

outlaw is kinda always good

regardless of whatever uptime cope there is

people just don't play it because Fotm exists and it has no burst

[static glacier]

on tindral i don't think it functions if flying at all

[safe shale]

Bro, OL channel on slowmode, still moving faster than in here xD

[balmy condor]

it's literally just min-maxing just to min-max

[sonic schooner]

tindral outlaw was another experience on earth

my60% adr uptime was fun

[cinder quartz]

OL tierset was like 2% for four piece. adjusting the damage from class to tier set seems good for the health of the spec

[royal python]

FOTM left the chat

[indigo mulch]

People don't understand the concepts behind damage profiles. They just see big sim number and assume thats the best.

[static glacier]

just gotta do what our enh sham did and convince rl to let them never fly xd

[balmy condor]

do not say that put loud in outlaw rn

[static glacier]

tbh it was the right decision, between enh and stuff like sub it's deffo sub should fly

[sonic schooner]

i tried the whole S3 S4, never had a chance to chill on boss

[novel star]

wheres our tier buff

[sonic schooner]

S4 reclears were awefull timings as well, flying back to back

[swift dagger]

Whispyr do u reckon theres gonna be more tuning on trinkets/embs?

[indigo mulch]

Wait, OL tier set was not 2% it was way less than that lol I think it was like 1% or some shit.

[swift dagger]

or have they usually done everything at once

[little hollow]

what emblishments should i get for deathstalker?

[sonic schooner]

OL tier set was +0.2% compared to no tier set

[cinder quartz]

should do the same thing to survival hunter

[boreal stirrup]

is it easier with brann as healer or dps for solo delves?

for assa

[static glacier]

ngl them buffing the set is a huge nerf

[sharp wadi]

2 logs is a pretty small sample size, you can make the same argument about frost mage and WW in this exact example

[static glacier]

now you actually have to compete for tier again instead of chilling in off-pieces 🙂

[safe shale]

Never seen so many yellow names, they all on CD so they come into this channel to fight, pvp toggled on lets go

[normal mist]

I went from 594 to 600 thanks to pvp and emb spark crafts, pretty happy boysss

[balmy condor]

tons I assume

[safe shale]

OL sucks

[balmy condor]

they haven't tuned item effects since first pass tuning in beta

[safe shale]

😉

[cinder quartz]

im an ex-yellow just never bothered to change name

[upbeat gust]

Guys guys ass is best spec let’s go ass

[safe shale]

I do love ass

[royal python]

Why am I still red status after being loyal to the spec since legion

[indigo mulch]

posting in guild chat, brb.

[cinder quartz]

i love that the decision is ass vs ol while sub is the weird 3rd sibling that hides in the attic

[faint path]

buff assas asap

@blizzard

[sonic schooner]

dude i tried to learn sub trickster yersteday, we press blackpowder in ST what the heck is this

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[faint path]

dude sub is most boring spec ever tbh even outlmao is funnier than sub

[indigo mulch]

I honestly don't mind sub. 😒

[sonic schooner]

cant be worse than trickster first iteration, feint and distract on cd

[indigo mulch]

God that was horrible.

[waxen oyster]

i mean in raid

i imagine you play deathstalker sub

[indigo mulch]

and you can't proc your marks

[waxen oyster]

procs off shadowstrike

[sonic schooner]

u dont when u need cleave a lil bit (silken court hello)

[short ledge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

depends how frequent damage amps on mythic silken are

[royal python]

Get more haste then for cd reduction on sec tec

[sonic schooner]

something like very minutes after 40s of fight

i think

havent studied the boss yet
edit. Nvm you meant mythic

[indigo mulch]

I think its the same on mythic. The only thing that changes is that you need more goalkeepers ;o

[waxen oyster]

yeah i think hc is more an outlaw boss

just from how frequent the amps are

to the point you dont play for them

[clever perch]

which 4p pieces do we keep

or which one we dont*

[errant heath]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

i thnk skip chest

[balmy condor]

doesn't relaly matter

can wear 5 pieces

totally fine

[waxen oyster]

lowkey

whatever offpiece rolls tert

you play

[balmy condor]

yeah that works

[violet flint]

did echo get fixed? bug fix link in pinned doesnt work

[crude nymph]

howdy, are people macro'ing their tempered potions?

[indigo mulch]

I just macro it to deathmark.

[ashen rover]

Not as in DS and ER interaction fixed, but ER is getting a rework for next patch (it's in PTR atm if I'm not mistaken). But nothing on live yet

[indigo mulch]

I don't think it will even get fixed since they are reworking it.

[ashen rover]

Yeah same

[indigo mulch]

We'll just have to live with it 😄

[crude nymph]

hm thats macro'd to my trinket

im not sure if it'll work

is it just
/use Tempered Potion ?

[violet flint]

as long as the rework works ill be glad

[prime cairn]

i'm thinking the entire reason for the rework is to make it work

[novel star]

just flip coins

[indigo mulch]

I'm a flipper of coins.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-10307912810788206700

[static glacier]

trick is to stack enough crit that fatebound sims better than DS for you

[nova aspen]

nice energy number

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[runic hinge]

Think I’m gonna flip coins when I finally raid Sunday. At least for raid one. Just to not have to worry about mark

[hearty pine]

guys if wax works (wich it does to me) is it worth to use over whetstone? cant sim cause raidbots doesnt have wax

[ashen rover]

really cool silken court fight with mark disappearing every intermission 😃

[indigo mulch]

Everyone is so anti fatebound, i don't see anyone playing it. So i decided i'm going to play it.

[nova aspen]

im playing it too

it pumps

passively

[faint path]

fuck outlow delete this shitty spec

%10 trinket damage %11 hero talent damage on st that makes sense

[hearty pine]

you missing the 1.8% dmg from the other trinket

[remote wing]

outlaw getting nerfed while we still wait for sin fixes

[faint path]

true

nerf that shitty spec more

[hearty pine]

bubbling wax guys worth it for M+ with a whetstone in offhand or not?

[echo fox]

is it bugged? got it x2 and it's not stacking

[balmy condor]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[indigo mulch]

[echo fox]

Thx ❤️

[nova aspen]

good evening whispyr!

[balmy condor]

afternoon

[hearty pine]

bubbling wax worth it or worthless mister guide maker?

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds