assassination

[tired panther]

It feels daunting to sim yourself, I know it's simple enough, but I can't bring myself around to do it

[solemn drift]

Any bis raider rogue i can check daily to see what gear he goes for and what he crafts? do u know?

[tired panther]

all the different variables are too much

[grim jay]

What even is that

[true drum]

this crafted 2set with haste

[grim jay]

There arent any really. You just choose your content, click your gear and thats it

[royal lantern]

you download simcraft, type /simc in chat, ctrl+c

go into raidbots topgear, crtl+v, click the pieces you wanna compare

thats it

its literally 3 inputs

[tired panther]

I guess it went with the times - the last time I had to sim myself I had to spend 2 hours learning a spreadsheet and different variables

[weary shoal]

!built

[vocal minnow]

just dont do it - you probably dont need to

[tired panther]

I guess it's also very valuable to get actual values for stats instead of just "crit mastery good, vers haste bad"

[vocal minnow]

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[weary shoal]

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[clever sapphire]

everything good, nothing bad

[grim jay]

It isnt really you dont sim stat values

[worldly sail]

only time i check stat values is for gemming because i don't have raidbots premium for gem sims

[clever sapphire]

THIS i can relate to

[worldly sail]

but with the diamond its just, send all gems to your gear

[grim jay]

Just do it without premium

[worldly sail]

cant with top gear

it will only socket one type of gem

[vocal minnow]

run 4 sims then

[worldly sail]

what if i want a mix of gems

[vocal minnow]

run 12 sims

[grim jay]

Gear compare

[worldly sail]

gear compare works but is a lot of work

i did that in DF

[clever sapphire]

same, never doing that again

[grim jay]

Or you just accept that it barely matters

And just slot the same type

[worldly sail]

because of diamond i socket all 4 types and fill the extra slots with mastery heavy gems

[mystic vessel]

is wax still bugged?

[tired panther]

Look at mister "Rolls a socket in all my items" over here

[worldly sail]

no i just bought 6 of the socket items for jewelry

[blazing summit]

Can I ask a question here?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Just did

[worldly sail]

don't ask to ask, just ask

[arctic summit]

Anyone know what items we should be crafting with sparks?

[balmy condor]

https://nohello.net/en/

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[blazing summit]

Do you recommend making a Siphoning Stiletto?

[soft shale]

i recommend against it

[worldly sail]

BTW´- raidbots doesn't count siphoning stiletto as an embellishment, it was giving me wild recommendations like yesterday

[grim jay]

Not seen anyone recommending that

[blazing summit]

Oh I see, thanks for letting me know, everyone.

[balmy condor]

This is dogshit

If you’re gonna craft a dagger

Craft it with ascension

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-gif-11005437677577227415

[balmy condor]

Huh

[worldly sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/twdq3vWjRpX9j38Duysfhi

its recommending 3 embellishments i think

gloves has patch, dagger has ascension

and siphoning sims that well

[soft shale]

raidbots saying embellish these nuts

[worldly sail]

stiletto is missing the <unique-equipped: embellishment> thing

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that expected?

It’s stiletto vs normal dagger

[worldly sail]

yeah but the top sim has 3 embellishment no?

siphoning, ascension and gloves with patch

[balmy condor]

No?

[royal lantern]

the icyveins boomkin guide tells people that they should craft a staff

the staff they used by name there is the agility staff

our boomkin did it

[keen rover]

!tier

[soft shale]

like that person with 2 int daggers

[grim jay]

Ready to roll feral

[spice surge]

Droptimizer can be scuffed sometimes, try doing it in topgear

[balmy condor]

These aren’t embellished

[keen rover]

Curious how much % increase is our tier

[balmy condor]

2%

[keen rover]

Thanks dude

[worldly sail]

siphoning is embellished and the off hand has ascension

[oak eagle]

thats funny asf, had our guilds feral do that but made an int weapon he was so pissed

[balmy condor]

Strange

[blazing summit]

Is it 'Ascension' thing? https://www.wowhead.com/ko/item=226023/다크문-인장-승천 Are you talking about this?

[worldly sail]

just wanted to make sure people don't craft it because raidbots says so

[balmy condor]

Yes but Jesus that link

[soft shale]

i think it is korean

it has the round thingies

[eager tree]

Whispyr my sim is telling me to CT in single target with the bleed build, is that right?

[balmy condor]

Yes I’ve sadly had to add that abhorrent nonsense

[tired panther]

You guys use Hekili?

[grim jay]

No

[balmy condor]

Fuck no

Capital fuck

[grim jay]

Burn it with fire

[eager tree]

no, its my sim on raidbots. when i simmed ST with my m+ build the sim cast CT twice

not hekili

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tired panther]

works pretty well in my book

[eager tree]

kk thanks, will start doing that

[balmy condor]

Hate that for you

[grim jay]

Guess your book has spelling mistakes

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

I get kick from mythic+ I ask them how this can be? They say Low dps but they not know… I use hekili

[grim jay]

Whispear

[worthy jetty]

i'm trying to make a weakaura only for the improved garrote talent (6 sec no CD garrote after stealth) - is there a way i can extract only this one tracking from another WA?

[balmy condor]

Need to find the old autoattakk copypasta

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

LE’s collection

Has a standalone

[worthy jetty]

ah thank you so much. i was browsing through Devlin's and Whispyr's 😮

[balmy condor]

Mine has Le’s too

Can pull it out of the group

[grim jay]

That Whispyr guy doesnt have his shit together

Its to be expected that you found nothing

[balmy condor]

Damn

[woven shore]

Whispyr

[worthy jetty]

oh i didnt even see your name LOL sorry

very late 😦

[woven shore]

In what bosses did you use splatter talent ?

[balmy condor]

The bosses with adds

[steady marlin]

The majority of them lmao

[balmy condor]

Caustic is incredible straight forward

If there is more than 1 target

You play it

[woven shore]

For example the last boss
Is it worth it to go for splatter for the few adds for the 5-10sec they are Alive

Ah okay

[balmy condor]

Tf

Last boss is like

One of the best caustic fights

In recent memory

[woven shore]

Roger

My logs are so bad wtf

[steady marlin]

I will say on normal that fight just feels awful as sin. But I fully expect heroic to feel much better when we start it Sunday

[balmy condor]

Probably won’t

[upper wasp]

Hi guys, what is good for rogue to craft with spark of omen? dagger?

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[steady marlin]

I didn’t know what to do with my second CD set

[grim jay]

Logs that early arent really that important
(everything below 98 is bad)

[balmy condor]

You hold for shield

[grim jay]

[steady marlin]

The intermission adds just blow up instant

[sturdy stirrup]

hi whispyr morning

[balmy condor]

Hello

[grim jay]

Its like 4 am

[woven shore]

But but 😦

[balmy condor]

Almost 5 yes

[grim jay]

In Whispyrland

[sturdy stirrup]

shush

[woven shore]

70-80 is ass wtf

[icy osprey]

huh that made me realise I forgot to swap away from caustic on St bosses

[sturdy stirrup]

have you looked at your discord messages

[woven shore]

How do i improve my dmg jesus

[balmy condor]

Better than 3/4 rogues is not bad

Lmao

[steady marlin]

All 2 of them

[grim jay]

I rarely do, why?

[woven shore]

Aha mister rank 34 or 29

😂😂

[icy osprey]

yeah that's a valid point lmao

[sturdy stirrup]

i asked one question to you

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah you can always compare yourself to rank 1

But that’s not productive

[royal lantern]

people love to humblebrag like crazy

"im only did more dmg then 80% of the people that played the Spec, wtf im so bad"

[grim jay]

Oh. Because of the pfp? Its just some random Google Image I liked

[uncut geyser]

yesterday I saw some logs for Sikran on deathstalker that were taking a second point in lethality instead of resounding clarity, chat is this real?

[woven shore]

I wonder what better rogues do

[spice surge]

Yes

[grim jay]

More damage

[balmy condor]

That’s the standard build yes

[woven shore]

Bro

[royal lantern]

its week1

having gear lol, tf do you expect

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

I mean how they maximize their dmg uptime

[uncut geyser]

oh alright thanks

[royal lantern]

somebody got a heroic dagger from delves? gg

[grim jay]

I was just sassing you

[woven shore]

[worldly sail]

actually got a good item from todays delves

yet to see a single non-vers ring from these

[woven shore]

My ilvl logs are similar

[novel star]

can look at their logs n compare buff/debuff uptimes instead of raw dps

[worldly sail]

ilvl logs are a meme tbh

[woven shore]

Why that

[worldly sail]

someone gets a dagger you get a ring or something

[steady marlin]

Here’s what a true shitter looks like

[worldly sail]

same ilvl, he gets more value out of it

[novel star]

i haven’t even entered the raid yet

[limber creek]

where did you find this picture of my parses

[faint path]

I did full weeklys where can I get key for delves?

[steady marlin]

Warcraftlogs just look up yourself. It’s the first thing that came up. But it’s mobile idk if that matters

[novel star]

guild does weekends

[faint path]

I did full m0 I got 0 item...

[soft shale]

do the radiant echoes

they give keys back

[faint path]

wtf

[soft shale]

but do it in a group if possible

[faint path]

how let me check from youtube

[soft shale]

i hope you did at least 1 tho

[novel star]

u just use ur radiant echo on the worldsoul thingy on da map

[soft shale]

otherwise you got 0

[royal lantern]

take a ring off->enjoy your 100ilvl log

[woven shore]

I got the crit trinket before raid

[faint path]

I have 5-6 radiant echoes

[soft shale]

from the other bountifuls

and you are a sad boi

[woven shore]

[soft shale]

nice then you can do those

should get you some keys back

[faint path]

can we get our keys back like that ?

[woven shore]

Oh

[soft shale]

you get some fragments

but not all the keys

[novel star]

u cant get a full refund

[faint path]

POG

[novel star]

they don’t rly want 4x delves to be daily forever i think lol

[soft shale]

that is at least 3 keys or so if you dont int on killiong mobs

[knotty dust]

What, if anything, are we crafting for Deathstalker build?

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[eager tree]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

beat u

[candid hull]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[worldly sail]

[gentle gyro]

if you wanna be min-max-minded, go on your alts and do each echo once so you unlock "mythic" difficulty

and get more key fragments back

[woven shore]

Well until alot of people get better gear than 616 at the end of the week

[icy osprey]

there's difficulties for them?

[eager tree]

mythic gives the same x5 as 'heroic' doesn't it?

[knotty dust]

TYTY!!

[eager tree]

you just only get 1 death and cosmetic rewards IIRC

[woven shore]

Wait .. it would be stupid to not use up all your bounti keys this week right?

[eager tree]

tes

yes

[woven shore]

Delves dropped my one insane crazy chest tho

[arctic summit]

Is there a specific reason it is wrist/belt crafted and not boots or something else?

[woven shore]

And legs

[gentle gyro]

didn't look it up tbh, dying in them is a challenge

[woven shore]

Btw
How often do you guys use fint during Raids

[eager tree]

crafted pieces have lower ilvls in full bis so you want the least stat weights on them

[woven shore]

On raid wide aoe's?

Or does this not count as areadmg

[eager tree]

so things like bracers/belt are popular because they have lower stat allocations so youre missing out on less by using lower ilvl crafted pieces

[woven shore]

Probably not huh

[novel star]

all the time

feint is one of the best defensives

it’s broken

[eager tree]

raidwide aoes are exactly what feint is for lol. but given it costs energy and a Gcd i wouldnt do it unless you were in a dangerous spot

[novel star]

oops wrong reply

[novel star]

meant to reply to this

^

[novel star]

????

i mean true it costs those things but like living a mechanic is the only thing that actually matters 99% of the time

[grim jay]

Well tbf he didnt say dont use it even if you die

He said dont use it on stuff that doesnt get you in danger

[delicate imp]

Any idea how the assassination reworks are going to impact dps? Small increase im guessing?

[novel star]

[safe shale]

reworks

[novel star]

twist the knife would make burst better

errrmm

er same thing

but who cares it’s in 2.5 months

[grim jay]

Noone knows

[delicate imp]

oh wtf

really 2 months away

[novel star]

yes it’s for the anniversary event

[delicate imp]

oh lmao

[novel star]

half the shit doesn’t even work right now

[gray olive]

can i see this 92 pls
i'm just a fcking newba on this boss, i cant give a good dps idk why

[novel star]

twist the knife had multiple bugs that made it unplayable when ptr dropped

so there’s no point trying to do an actual numbers comparison

wait until it’s more done

[delicate imp]

yea didnt realize it was 2 months away

[grim jay]

Until its done or burned

[novel star]

also

[grim jay]

[delicate imp]

i thought this was like a week or two lol

kinda bummed sub and outlaw are so far ahead

[sick scarab]

mmm wtf .. delves are OP now..

[novel star]

underkeep especially is fucked yeah

[grim jay]

Its the first week

Brother please

Chill

[novel star]

don’t they usually like

use hc week to know how to tune for mythic week

lol

give it a bit

[royal lantern]

hc often adresses the extreme outliers

[grim jay]

Ye that aswell and mythic fights are completely different than normal and heroic

[steady marlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/lildeceiver#difficulty=4
Normal logs are okay but really parsing well is about optimizing caustic spatter pad

Early in the raid I was struggling with keeping track of my mark as well and fixing that helped

[grim jay]

And looting the good stuff before other people

[drowsy oar]

I need some help. No idea where 300k dps is missing or what happened this pull. 99% uptime on bleeds and 83% on evenom, it felt like I played well but missing this much dps? Im lost.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GfZ1MbcYQJypqh9g#fight=33&type=damage-done

Cheerstab is me

[sturdy stirrup]

yes

[steady marlin]

Should we be naturally looking to use the mark buff or forcing max CP envenom to use it immediately? If force is it better the mute at say 6cp wasting one or early refreshing garrote?

[novel star]

force

alwyas

if you don’t force you don’t have any of your talents and would do more damage on fatebound

[steady marlin]

Okay so at 6cp would it better to garrote or just slam a mute

[novel star]

mut

[spice surge]

If you need to refresh garrote anyway go ahead, but not if its got like 15 seconds left

Then you'd just mutilate

[steady marlin]

Kk

[nova aspen]

gm

[novel star]

[gray olive]

we should never use evenom without max cp? i'm deathstalker

[steady marlin]

You use 5+ but when you have the mark buff from consuming 3 you force a max CP envenom

[woven shore]

Ook tx boys

What do you guys think about the note next to Cheat death? Do you think it could be better in specific situations?
Ofc you can prevent Getting killed
However so much dmg reduction every 12 sec i think
Sounds really Strong

Feel free to ping me on an answer im at work so i can read later

[royal lantern]

wdym "missing"?

compared to sim dmg?

[drowsy oar]

I sim 800k apperently

Yeah

Either way it feels really low and I'm missing something but I'm lost on what

[worldly sail]

well the first thing i see is you open with garrote while playing deathstalker

open with ambush for the mark

[steady marlin]

I’m willing to bet most peoples missing damage will be from not keeping track of mark

[royal lantern]

@spice spire we need a log review

[drowsy oar]

Why do we run improved garrote at all then if we never it?

[royal lantern]

you just ambush->garrote

[novel star]

that’s not how it works

[royal lantern]

6seconds time for the empowered garrote

[novel star]

you do ambush garrote and it’s still an improved one

^

[nova aspen]

nice log

[drowsy oar]

Oh

[worldly sail]

you guys run improved garrote? :xdd:

[novel star]

you also don’t take imp garrote anymore on ds technically

[royal lantern]

i mean yes no, on some fights its good

council is a imp.garrote fight

[novel star]

but it’s barely worse and prolly would change with stats and other things

[novel star]

yeh

but anyway yeah if you aren’t playing around your mark you have zero damage

just go fatebound atp and let the passive coins crank

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[royal lantern]

ye, you didnt apply mark, and basically had no hero tree for big chunks of the fight, shit happens

[drowsy oar]

Thatd do it then cause I definitely did notbplay around it

[novel star]

mark being active is required for like half the hero tree to do literally anything

[royal lantern]

can check wowhead for the opener of both talents

[drowsy oar]

Ok, yeah it was the mark. Thanks guys

[novel star]

[royal lantern]

[novel star]

consider fb if the mark is annoying they’re really not that far apart in damage

[worldly sentinel]

Questions for crafting. If we managed to get 45 runed crest. What are we crafting on 616? same pattern like the pinned comment?

[novel star]

logs show everyone on ds but it’s just like popularity bias

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[royal lantern]

lets be honest, a big part of that is simply

people fucking hate FB cus its frking coinflips

[worldly sentinel]

so same shit doesnt matter if 606 or 616?

[novel star]

yeh fair but

[onyx loom]

Yo guys, does anyone know if the stat priority changes for m+/aoe scenarios? I cant find anything in the guide. In the past it was like this sometimes.

[novel star]

no

[grim jay]

Why should it matter

You only have so many sparks

[worldly sentinel]

Dont know thats why i am asking

[grim jay]

And upgrade them later

[novel star]

don’t think about stat prio too much just sim yourself

we don’t have an easy time with stats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

You choose your spark items and go with them, upgrading them to the highest possible ilvl

[urban mantle]

Morning. Anyone know a crafted dagger that is good? wich bonus it's worth it the price?

[spice spire]

Review this pal

[worldly sentinel]

aight thx

[novel star]

i made pvp 610 MH and wrist for ascendance

[onyx crane]

How viable is fatebound in M+

[spice surge]

Fwiw (most) embellishments dont scale with ilvl, so if youre crafting like bracers or something its probably not a good idea to use crests on them to get the higher ilvl

[novel star]

they are both viable everywhere

[onyx loom]

ye i see. I want to swap assa and sub based on fights and raid/m+. I think thats gonna be hard with sub versa stack. Ty anyways

[spice surge]

Compared to using crests to upgrade your trinket/weapon/chest/helm etc

[onyx crane]

Cuz ppl won't let me stealth lol

[novel star]

fatebound has better aoe padding, ds has better prio. stealth does not matter for either

[onyx crane]

All these chainpulls

[grim jay]

You play the capstone

[novel star]

chain pulling is good

[grim jay]

After the initial ambush

You dont ambush

With DN up

[novel star]

even if you could restealth, ambushing with dn buff available is bad

don’t ambush unless necessary

[faint path]

I got 2x key lets see

[novel star]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[gentle gyro]

you still need stealth for improved garrote though

[novel star]

“need”

[normal mist]

It's not that important

[novel star]

look first like here

[normal mist]

And you get enough re stealths during a dungeon

[grim jay]

!restealth

[hallow ruin]

what's giving the garrote procs through the fight? I reread the talents and can't figure it out

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[novel star]

garrote procs?

[steady marlin]

Dang we have this stealth convo every half hour.

[novel star]

yep

[normal mist]

Procs? Probably means IC

[onyx crane]

But i wanna spread garotte and rupture

[normal mist]

Because it lights up

[gentle gyro]

cause not everyone reads this chat 24/7

[hallow ruin]

what does IC stand for?

[steady marlin]

Or pins apparently

[novel star]

spreading garrote doesn’t matter really and spreading rupture you can just do manually

it’s not like without ic it’s impossible to spread

you have a tab key and SBS

[onyx crane]

Nah but it helps

[normal mist]

Indiscriminate carnage

[novel star]

for sure but it doesn’t help as much as you think

one of whispyrs videos has the numbers it’s like, if you save 5s every pack by not waiting for restealth the overall dps is tied or something like that

cause ur not jerking off waiting until it’s time to hit mobs again

just learn how to chain pull effectively

rupture snipe

[gentle gyro]

...ill just go outlaw

[normal mist]

Cheers

[novel star]

peace

[steady marlin]

Cya lmao

[onyx crane]

Outlaw schmoutlaw

[gentle gyro]

i meant for m+, so i don't have to worry about that

[normal mist]

Tbf outlaw ATM is doing well

[spice surge]

Outlaw also "needs" restealths

Sub is the spec that doesnt

[royal lantern]

and PROPER chainpulls means "new enemy pack gets Pulled when the current one is at 30% hp and you have scent of blood stacks"

[gentle gyro]

yeah but you have double vanish + restless blades

[royal lantern]

outlaw is most depeending on stealth

[novel star]

outlaw probably wants it more because of the bte gameplay

[gentle gyro]

so it's more or less always up

[royal lantern]

[true thistle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[steady marlin]

Many just play the game off feelcraft and don’t care to know the actual math

[royal lantern]

its so funny

assa has the "needs stealth" myth that people cant shake off

sub, the "stealth spec" doesnt care about stealth

outlaw, the "open fighter" spec gets kinda fucked for no stealth

[true thistle]

math kills the magic of the game

[onyx crane]

Nah I like stealth before pull

[novel star]

everyone likes it because it feels good

[normal mist]

Yep

[spice surge]

"Assa doesnt need boss uptime because bleeds do the damage"
"Sub is a funnel spec"

[novel star]

but the actual numbers tell you it’s not that big of a deal

[spice surge]

Assa is the actual funnel spec

[novel star]

this is literally in the command that was used 3 times

bottom line

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[candid hull]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[arctic venture]

guys what to craft first?

[candid hull]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[onyx crane]

Every fight where i do more mechanics than side ssteppibg i love se dps

[normal mist]

Is this outlaw channel? Chat moving too fast holy moly

[onyx crane]

I remember ppl even wanting me on adds for durnia...

[novel star]

moroes overtime

[candid hull]

underpaid

[novel star]

poor guy

[onyx crane]

I got both daggers in nm raid on Wednesday

[novel star]

dagger drops aren’t real they can’t hurt me

[onyx crane]

The egg sac also dropped for me on first run

[spring socket]

hey looking at the bis lists, IS scalpel a contender to farm for ?

[onyx crane]

But I wil never get sigil and spyglass

[steady marlin]

I was trying to optimize queen court last night and I could line up a mark envenom with the first damage amp decently but would it be worth using a tea shiv there and having one less for next KB? Damage difference on a crit was like 3.2m -> 4.5m

[onyx crane]

I think with weps ilvl upgrade always good

[novel star]

for main hand yea

[crude sequoia]

same 😭

[novel star]

off hand barely does anything

[crude sequoia]

i felt lucky af

[novel star]

except stats and enchants and stuff

but MH ilvl is giga huge

[onyx crane]

Yeh

[faint path]

They fucked the delve literally

[crude sequoia]

is it worth putting enchants on normal level dagger?

[faint path]

all the adds one shotting

[onyx crane]

Outlaw wanted my dagger

Didn't they rebalance hotfix?

[novel star]

might have given them more dps depending on what their oh was

[smoky furnace]

If you have Darkest Night ready to consume but rupture needs refreshed is it worth consuming darkest night over refreshing rupture and then refreshing rupture to proc a mark?

[crude sequoia]

i swapped to sin prior to raid release and now i see outlaws dpsing like crazy’s

[onyx crane]

It was pretty hard to solo as assa last nfht

[steady marlin]

Outlaw will fall in the overall decently as the weeks progress compared to a lot of specs. But they will remain better than sin in raid

[onyx crane]

I am just casual scrub i dun min max so hard

Idk why blizx hates assa rogue

[novel star]

they don’t

we are insane in aoe

and fine in single target

middle of the pack week 1 isn’t worth bein a doomer about

[onyx crane]

I mean manual dotting is hardly aoe :3

[spice surge]

It is though

[novel star]

the crimson tempest and caustic spatter in question

[spice surge]

You have spatter and crimson tempest

[onyx crane]

That is true

[faint path]

Literally crimson tempest have so much damage

[spice surge]

Bleeds are most for energy

They dont do that much damage

[novel star]

and scent

[spice surge]

Ye and scent

[onyx crane]

On m+ we will notice

[novel star]

[spice surge]

Will notice what?

[onyx crane]

Adds die to fast now

[spice surge]

Assa was the best spec in the entire game during beta m+ keys

[faint path]

Literally if there is no warrior because of me adds dying so fast

[spice surge]

And the other strong specs have gotten nerfs, whereas assa didnt

The aoe is obscene

[onyx crane]

Guess i gotta try harder

And stup slacking on tempest

[novel star]

i was playing with a 598 fury yesterday as like 602 or something sin and winning overall in m0s

[nova aspen]

i love it in dungeons right now

i just wish they had a bit more power in raid

im parsing 97 and still like 6th on dps overall

ppl above me parsing purples

[faint path]

same

[nova aspen]

[faint path]

fury has insane burst then nothing to do basically but we have damage alllll the time 😄

[clever sapphire]

maaaan can we get to m+, im bored of m0 (just had to let it out somewhere)

[onyx crane]

I am only parsing green and grey, granted I want in blind and high as a kite

[nova aspen]

the proper way to game

[onyx crane]

And some one killed me on one boss

Charging the boss trough me

So I suggest a dedicated charge corner

Felk on deaf ears

[vocal minnow]

judging anything by comparing yourself with the performance of random people is absolutely useless

[onyx crane]

Camparison is the death of joy

[cyan summit]

!addons

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

it wasn’t a pug but yeah

still true

[cyan summit]

!addon

[onyx crane]

I do like the idea of SnD being a proc rather than a button

[tawny geyser]

On Whispyr WA, what is the lightsaber noise?

[novel star]

[subtle karma]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild hound]

What do you guys usually do on adds without prio targets? Like on Rasha. I tried to use caustic and just dps the boss with FoK and envenom but it seems the boss stands too far away from adds to properly work. Should I get caustic up on one of the adds? Cause then I run into the issue of the add dying forcing me to reapply it to a new one. Idk I feel like im losing a lot of dps during that phase, whereas on other bosses with clear prio targets i do really high aoe. Thoughts?

[nova aspen]

honestly its not a good assassin fight

personally i go straight single target

caustic doesnt seem to do much for me unless i get lucky with timing

and since u dont have multiple bleeds up u cant really spam envenoms for more caustic

the adds die too quickly to even bother bleeding

[true thistle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[wild hound]

Alright fair. Yeah I feel it's night and day with bloodhound where you have big adds and smaller ones haha. So in those situations with lots of small adds it's just FoK spam?

[nova aspen]

yea during adds u can typically just fok env fok env fok env

sometimes u get lucky and can pad with caustic

[wild hound]

Probably being an idiot, but envenom on boss that is?

[nova aspen]

but that would just be the parse angle i suppose

yeah

and hope adds are near the boss

[grave blade]

when buff. We not looking too hot boys.

[wild hound]

Oki great, thanks mate! ❤️ Yeah haha, that hope often goes unfulfilled :3

[grave blade]

[gleaming geyser]

Heroic Queen P1 does so much damage

[candid hull]

[nova aspen]

[cunning cloak]

Are we doomin?

[warm patio]

So general gameplay right after opener. (so right after my first deathmark/kingsbane window). My main goal is to simply pool energy to spend envenom when its about to expire and keep up garrote and rupture right? Thats about it?

[deep meteor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grave blade]

96 out of the top 100 on half these bosses are fury warriors or alternatively arcane mages

[nova aspen]

meh, its only for raid, i enjoy keys a lot more anyway

and we pumping there

[grave blade]

This is cringe

[cunning cloak]

It's fine mage on top as blizz intended

[spice surge]

Whats cringe about it

[grave blade]

[spice surge]

Turns out fury warrior is the best class to pad on completely useless adds

[nova aspen]

^

on rasha im usually top boss damage

(in my guild)

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice surge]

?

[grave blade]

it's every boss @spice surge lol

[steady marlin]

Man all this dooming and we haven’t even seen a balance patch yet

Don’t expect sin buffs. But expect some nerfs on the over performers

[faint path]

I'm sure they will buff frost and fire mage a lot and realllllly small nerf for warrior thats all

[spice surge]

Raid balance is fairly decent for not having had a balance patch

[willow grotto]

When i missdirect brann and i use ambush, the deathstalker doesnt proc, without missdirect the mark proc.. Nice

[spice surge]

After a patch or two its gonna be really good like it always is

Hopefully they extend their balancing efforts to m+ as well, even if it might mean assa nerfs

[gusty lichen]

Anyone else have absolutely horrible fps in raid? anyone find any fixes?

[faint path]

Delves are literally impossible

with group

111m non elite mobs with 3-4 40m hp boss like wtf

[grave blade]

And its not just that fury is are broken.. it's that they are so easy to put out that damage. As a rogue I have to sweat a cool down windows, a Konami code of buttons in sequence to reach what a warrior does in 2 buttons while drooling.

[tardy storm]

Bladestorm and Odyn’s Fury -> 2M DPS

[spice surge]

Some specs are harder than others

[steady marlin]

The dmg profile of the raid really fits fury’s profile

[grave blade]

preach

[faint path]

odins fury = kingsbane shiv, crimson envenom rupture garrote

[tardy storm]

Yep😂

[spice spire]

Real

[tardy storm]

I like that its more complex though.. I get so bored otherwise

[harsh anchor]

Be happy we don’t have to clean up our drool after a pull

[sharp forge]

Delvers Bountry doesnt matter for what Delve i use right?

[faint path]

Blizzard fix delves ffs

[novel star]

what’s broken about them

[faint path]

impossible to do 8 literally

[novel star]

they’re a lot harder than yesterday but they still work fine u just have to play the game now

[faint path]

especially if u go with group

[novel star]

no?

i just did my 4 bountiful 8s with shitter pugs earlier

post hotfix

[faint path]

dude how we gonna kill when there is 111m hp non elite mob + 4x mob with 30m hp

literally oneshotting us

[novel star]

idk i haven’t had that experience

everything is a lot tankier but it’s far from impossible

[faint path]

just try once 😄

[novel star]

or “broken”

[novel star]

i just told you i did all 4 after the hotfix changes

so i have

tried it

[steady marlin]

Sir this is the sin discord. We don’t read around here

[novel star]

they’re harder (as they should be for that ilvl reward) but they’re still doable

[faint path]

Idk I tried with 5 different group we cant pass that 111m hp + 4x 30m hp mob part

[novel star]

before they were brainless easy and desperately needed to be buffed

[pearl osprey]

do it alone lol

[steady marlin]

Don’t bring a tank

[novel star]

[pearl osprey]

let brann tank for you

[faint path]

let me try with outlow

[novel star]

tricks abusers

[steady marlin]

Man all these suggestions and the answer was to just go outlaw the whole time

[clever sapphire]

no, the answer is to go trickster

[novel star]

^ but also i really don’t feel like they’re that insane with 5

[pearl osprey]

tricks user* 😛

[eager tree]

i said 'unless you were in a dangerous spot' lol. so if living v. dying is the spot, that counts as dangerous and you'd want to feint lol

??????????

50 question marks back at you

[faint path]

I literally dont know shit about outlow hate this spec no idea why

[novel star]

overtuned in a boring way maybe cause everything is tanky but not like can’t clear it overtuned

[novel star]

you shouldn’t be playing that close to the line though in general

[spice surge]

Then why did you spec into it?

[eager tree]

what?

[clever sapphire]

play sub trickster, thats what i did

[crude sequoia]

uhh idk man it’s like 6s window, spam bte, vanish, spam bte, vanish spam bte

shit like that

[faint path]

I wanna use tricks 😄

[steady marlin]

What

[novel star]

sub also has the tricks cheese thing tho

[faint path]

I have thousand of vers mast items lets try sub then

[clever sapphire]

brann is gonna do all the dmg anyways

you jsut gotta tricks him

and call it a day

[slim pebble]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[gusty lichen]

whats everyones stat weight looking like for raid? would love some ballpark numbers to shoot for

[novel star]

sin doesn’t really have easy stats like that

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

just have 2 sim

crit mast are good but i crafted some shit with crit haste yesterday cus it simmed better

even though haste is piss on the stat prio

[crude sequoia]

worth enchanting normal raid difficulty daggers?

[novel star]

[west cove]

is fatebound m+ now a thing?

[normal mist]

"now"?

[novel star]

both have been a thing in all content the whole time?

who told you fatebound m+ wasnt a thing

[west cove]

well the early guides all recommended deathstalker

[novel star]

yes because it’s a little better

that isn’t the same as fb not being a thing tho

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[strange python]

!upgrade

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[strange python]

ty

[echo condor]

any gem will increase count by 1 unless they are the exact same gem, right ?

[nova aspen]

idk about the sub category gems

but i know 1 sapphire, 1 ruby, 1 emerald, 1 onyx

[echo condor]

Oh I see

max 4 sounds balanced to me

[nova aspen]

yeah prob

could also squeeze in an amber for 10% movespeed total

if u really wanted

[manic pebble]

!wa

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[echo condor]

true, but I will stick with 4 tho

[hearty reef]

St buffs when?

cant be tuesday

[west cove]

ok thats good to know, havent tried fatebound but it appears to be passive mainly?

[novel star]

ye

u never play around it rly

just happens

[west cove]

not having to get into stealth to apply mark will help the tank 😄

[novel star]

deathstalker should already only need one stealth per dungeon tho ideally

you use the capstone to reapply mark

but yeh

[spring cradle]

Anybody got a fate talent tree for m+??

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[west cove]

the buff sometimes drops off mid combat? what am I doing wrong?

[novel star]

go to best builds section on wowhead

[novel star]

if you’re ambushing every time that’s why you’re losing the mark

[west cove]

on long pulls the prior target soemtimes doesnt seem to proc darkest night

[novel star]

there’s a bug where if you have darkest night and an active mark at the same time you can do the 7cp envenom for dn and just lose everything

sometimes

[west cove]

its seems to ebb away and I need to vanish to get rolling

[novel star]

i don’t remember exactly the conditions for it but

[west cove]

aha

[manic pebble]

I read wowhead guide rotation and I'm wondering, how does this one proc DN? I tried it myself and I couldn't make it proc there

[novel star]

just don’t ambush ever unless you need to

[novel star]

proc, not consume

[west cove]

ok, that could be it, some longer pulls deathstalker just goes and I dont have the capstone to repply

[novel star]

that envenom gives you the buff

not the mark reapplication

cus 3rd finisher

[west cove]

doesnt the envenom reapply the mark when you have the buff?

[novel star]

at 7cp yes

which is what that opener is doing when it says consumed

[jade abyss]

is tricks bugged on brann in some way?

[west cove]

yes max cast envenom to cast deathmark when darkest night is up, Ok i am doing it right

[novel star]

ye just don’t ambush when you already have dn

[west cove]

yeah

its just sometimes deathmark expires and no DN

the bug you mentioned

[novel star]

even that one in the opener is kinda scary

[manic pebble]

maybe I'm missing something here, I only get it down to 2 DS marks before casting that envenom

[novel star]

it won’t scam there but there’s other bugs that are less understood and having vanish as a safety net is nice

[novel star]

crits prolly

marks only consume on 5+cp finishers

[west cove]

do we need to track the DS stacks or just play around DN?

[bitter solar]

I would track both till the bug is fixed

[novel star]

yeh both ideal

[west cove]

OK i have been playing as it it is working corerectly, just cocnenring myself to repply when DN procs

[bitter solar]

it's so miserable when the bug happens, cos it's your own mistake but also shouldn't be happening either lol

[west cove]

tracking is just for awareness

[indigo mulch]

I'm done with DN :C

I'll be flippin them coins in raid from now on.

[bitter solar]

no one tell him about edge case bug

[fickle lotus]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[bitter solar]

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

edge case bug is fixed though isn’t it

you still cant macro cb in opener but not because of bug it’s just how the stuff works

[tired gull]

mine are simming nearly identical, with coinflip coming out ahead currently

[manic pebble]

so... what I have to do is mut til 5+ cps here to make it work I guess?

[novel star]

yes

always finish on 5+cp

[indigo mulch]

I think DS is still simming like 4k more than fatebound but the ease of playing fatebound is just much better. D:

[bitter solar]

I'm not 100% i've not played much of fate

[manic pebble]

my dumb brain thought those rotation was press each button in order

[indigo mulch]

?

[tired gull]

it's very satisfying when you get 7 coins in a row on the opener hahaa

[novel star]

nah it just can’t account for all the seal fate variance without having a million notes

[west cove]

lol fatebound is so easy, when the thistle tea changes come its will feel pretty streamlined

[spiral steeple]

so how the fuck is possible to do delves today, even using the tricks thing my lvl 25 bran gets oneshot

[pulsar plank]

hey guys I am new to assassination rogue there is a thing that I could not understand when talented into Caustic Spatter when to use fan of knives and in what condition to use Mutilate?

[coarse shuttle]

Why don't you use fan of knives when you have clear the witnesses with vicious venoms?
dont see an exaplanation on wowhead?

[novel star]

only use mutilate to maintain the debuff. it has a target cap of 1

[spiral steeple]

becouse muts still does more damage with that talents

[indigo mulch]

The only reason DS is still simming higher is just cause i don't have much crit/mastery yet. Once I get some new rings fatebound will sim higher ;x

[novel star]

so, build with fan and press 1 mutilate every 10s

[coarse shuttle]

huh okay. thanks.

[pulsar plank]

ah I see but I cant see this on target nameplate is that normal?

[spiral steeple]

get a better plater profile that tracks it

or a wa

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[pulsar plank]

like on unitframe too isnt it a debuff on target?

[wild hound]

What's CB?

[novel star]

it should def be there on target frame

[novel star]

cold blood

[wild hound]

Ahh

Thx

[spiral steeple]

yeah it is, but u gotta setup plater so that u see it

[formal pasture]

anyone tried delves today

[novel star]

ya

[formal pasture]

feels impossible to solo

[spiral steeple]

think it is unless u got overleveled bran

[novel star]

i already wasn’t soloing em so idk

[west cove]

ive learned some stuff today guys , thank you

[novel star]

gl

game hard

sometimes

[west cove]

yeah can solo the T8's with some care

some obnoxious encounters but doable

just dropped

[fringe trail]

Damn, that's insane

[sinful fable]

Hum, for purely m+, are People liking fatebound more or DS? Not sure If the finnickiness of DS is worth it lol

[chilly mist]

Anyone else that's got fucking 0 maps from delves?

A guildie has gotten 4 so far.. :DDDDDD

[west cove]

I have been playing DS purley up until now

its perfroms well except for the odd encoutner when DS drops off

[novel star]

whatever you like better

they are very close in performance

[west cove]

had 2 maps, got this also

[faint path]

1M melee damage should be illegal

[novel star]

fatebound more aoe padding. ds less aoe for more prio

but both are good and playable

[spiral steeple]

1m ? that was the number pre buff xd

[sinful fable]

Fb is pretty much click talentpoints and forget, ye? Like Nothing to play around?

[formal pasture]

DS feels like trash design imo

[novel star]

yeah fully passive

[sinful fable]

Also using ambush is yuck

[west cove]

DS is simming at 5% higher in slice

and thats not accounting for bugs

[proper venture]

is there a guide how to solo delves

[nova aspen]

do u mean for u? or in general

[spiral steeple]

not like u need a guide, they are just broken as of now

[west cove]

for me

[proper venture]

in general

[faint path]

Literally

[sinful fable]

Maybe I should try fatebound a bit, seems a little easier to play

[novel star]

a lot easier

[nova aspen]

ah ok, cuz fatebound is simming higher

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

if you fuck up the mark or it bugs out your spec is useless

[spiral steeple]

i mean with the launch balance u didnt really need a guide, just do the usual stuff

[west cove]

I find DS pretty straightfoward tbh, apply mark to prio target, just repply with max combo mutliate when it expires

[novel star]

fb is just always good

cant mess it up

[sinful fable]

@novel star you think its that much easier?

[sage tapir]

is fatebound best for Raids ?

[pulsar apex]

Do you even “play/track” anything with FB? Genuine question: does any of it affect a rotation decision?

[indigo mulch]

I think its down to preference to be fair.

[novel star]

i mean depends on the player i guess but ds doesn’t add that much gameplay

[coarse shuttle]

Losing the DS mark when switching from boss to adds feels bad

[novel star]

No it doesn’t

you flip coins at 5+cp and every finisher was 5+ already anyway

[trail jacinth]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[sinful fable]

Screw it, imma try it at home when i get off work

[gentle gyro]

someone who knows their WA shit better than I do: can i blanket track how many Deathstalker stacks I have on some target, even if it's not my currently active target?

[novel star]

technically you could like have 5 cp after a pack and hit snd before boss to gamble for another stack of ur coin or something instead of letting it drop but

[pulsar apex]

Plater

[novel star]

i doubt that’s even a gain

[sinful fable]

Do we still run the same talents in m+ as both DS and fb?

[static glacier]

!worst

😡

[gentle gyro]

sure, but let's say I just want a WA that displays an icon that tells me my currently active DS stacks, no matter the target

[novel star]

yes except ER -> cold blood

but cb u can just macro to envenom and be fine

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[sinful fable]

Oh really just macro to envenom and send on cd?

[grand jay]

you could try setting it to multi target

the weakaura

[novel star]

yeh

[grand jay]

and match count to 1

[royal lantern]

there is some minmax thing with coldblood during deathmark

outside of that, no

[novel star]

technically you should be hitting one non cb envenom after deathmark before you cb

but it’s a kinda small gain

[sinful fable]

Huh alright well thats easy

[gentle gyro]

I'll try that

[sinful fable]

Maybe better to just always macro it to always get usage of it asap and not sit on it

[novel star]

Ya

[west cove]

how many ruptures are people throwing out in aoe? used to try for 3 last time im played sin

[novel star]

5 for scent of blood

you get 4% agi per active rupture up to 5

[west cove]

yes on long puls thats doable

at the moment things die too fast

[novel star]

if the mobs are all little bitches with no hp you can just like play for caustic

i think

[west cove]

thats what I am doing

[grand jay]

ct caustic

[dire ivy]

i got the Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife (trinket) on 606 and it seems to sim way better then a 616 spyglass and only about 1k behind on the ara ara trinket at 616 and i can upgrade it 4 more times, why is it so low ranked in wowheads guide? is it a sim trap?

[novel star]

yeh

[west cove]

FoK and maintin caustive CT

[novel star]

amount of bleeds u need depends on how long the pack will live really

cause it’s just for energy

if you stop pressing buttons before they died u needed more bleeds

[west cove]

is there a weak aura to track how many active ruptures asdie from tracking NPC bars?

[novel star]

whispyrs edit does it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[plush isle]

Quick Question: I want to Blacklist Serrated Bone Spikes from my Plater Bar, does anyone of you know the Spell-ID ? It isnt (455352)

[novel star]

there’s a little 4/8/12/16/20 in the corner of the rupture symbol

on it

[west cove]

lol too much in that WA pack for me, I play pretty minimal

[novel star]

hmm

prolly a way to just steal the tracker from it and put it on ur own

[west cove]

ill try and dig the individual tracker out

[novel star]

yeh

i didnt used to be a wa pack believer

[grand jay]

its prob tracking stack count of scent aura

[novel arrow]

Guys, Does this Subterfuge Change mean anything to us in November? Anyone know?

[novel star]

but now i cant go back

[novel star]

[novel arrow]

6 second base + 6 second subterfuge = 12 seconds on imp gar, iron wire, master assassin, carnage

No

Way

WHAT

[sage star]

Is it the necrolord one? 328547

[novel star]

Yea it might be big idk

mostly just the iron wire memes tho

[novel arrow]

No it's broken for pvp

so it will be nerfed

[novel star]

oh pvp

[novel arrow]

oh well. When anything is too good to to true. It usually is

[novel star]

pvpers

[novel arrow]

I mean it's beyond broken for m+ as well.

[novel star]

yeh

[novel arrow]

You'd be able to cheap shot the whole pack

every single pack

[novel star]

why would u do that

[novel arrow]

Bro my groups.....

[novel star]

when u could iron wire and do damage >.<

[novel arrow]

My friends are next level casual.

If everything isn't stunned. Everyone is dead and everyone has agro in different directions

[slim pebble]

!craft

[proud bough]

Hey, how much of an up is the 2P ? Like in % ? I can't find a link about this here

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

1.2 or so

iirc

[proud bough]

thanks !!

In mono or aoe ? Or is it similar ?

[novel star]

should be around the same regardless i think

[proud bough]

Alright ty !

[bitter saddle]

Is the tier set changing with specs? Or do I buy assa tier set and when I wanna play idk outlaw I need new set?

[novel star]

changes

[bitter saddle]

Alright cool

[royal lantern]

????????

what the f are you talking about

[novel star]

advanced boosting

[long void]

Anyone else having a problem with losing deathstalkers mark when moving to the next pull?

Darkest night is up and the timer is still counting down. Since I don’t have combo points I open with ambush from stealth which puts me back to 3 marks but somewhere between spending the 1st and 3rd mark I just lose it completely until I have vanish or can stealth again.

Didn’t see it on the bug list.

[novel arrow]

Lol! The 6 sec cheap shot! Thats a long ass time!

[pulsar plank]

@novel star so I should use fan of knives on single target too to build?

[spice spire]

It’s a bug

[novel star]

no only in 3+ target aoe

[spice spire]

If you consume the final third mark with a max cp envenom

You get shit on

[hardy dagger]

Aye such a weird bug

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

If you run VV you absolutely do not fan ST

Otherwise you’ll fan ST for clear the witness only

[novel star]

deathstalker uses fan sometimes in ST when u have the clear the witnesses proc only if vicious venoms is not talented but that’s a pretty tiny gain and not worth worrying about rn

[inner rapids]

A star got a plater script for coloring bars on rupture ?

[hardy dagger]

Still fucking hate landing on 6 cp just to mutilate again for darkest night...

[spice spire]

Learn to love the grind baby

[hardy dagger]

Cursed hero talent

[novel star]

ye it feels like shit deathstalker is corny

[spice spire]

Love wasting cp

[velvet wharf]

x2 radiant power for m+ right?

[spice spire]

Hides how shit I play god bless amen

[novel star]

ye

[young flicker]

I love deathstalker dropping mid fight and only way to reapply it is vanish

[velvet wharf]

danke

[young flicker]

pretty sweet

[spice spire]

Good thing new st build rarely uses vanish except for min gains

[hardy dagger]

Yeah it's by far the clunkiest hero talent I've seen

[novel star]

yeh

honestly prolly gain more on average by holding it for the fucking bugs

vs that tiny bit of extra mark uptime

[young flicker]

yeah vicious venoms is the go-to now right? Not sure why my dam was tanking last night after trying that build vs the old one that uses FoK

[spice spire]

Yeah VV is the build

[rotund jackal]

How is the tier set looking for us?

[novel star]

~1.2% per bonus

iirc

so kinda meh

[rotund jackal]

So a total of 2,4%? 😮

for 4p

[novel star]

something around there yea

[rotund jackal]

Ouch

[young flicker]

what is it for Sub?

[nova aspen]

probably more in aoe since it buffs bleed

[novel star]

9 million billion % for sub

idk i don’t keep up with those weirdos

[spice spire]

It’s like 3 ish %

For 4p assassination

All in all

Tier is not very effective on rogue

[novel star]

[gentle gyro]

from what I heard that's broadly true for most classes

[novel star]

tier being boring and not very strong for s1 is fine they did the same in df

[woven valley]

How do i sim best for m+?

[novel star]

dungeon slice

it’s not perfect but it’s the best option

[west cove]

has anyone crafted anything yet? still sitting on my sparks

[novel star]

not with spark but i made the 610 pvp stuff

[west cove]

should wait till next week, but bracers tempt me

[novel star]

MH/wrist ascendance combo is 610 rn on me