assassination

[grim jay]

Ah ye

Unless he spawns into your delve

[rotund oak]

sub must be the real go for m+ though,once its done getting fixed n stuff (elegently 😅 ) For now i like deathstalker sin alot but there is the mark issue tbh

[waxen oyster]

sure there are good players

but uhh

let's not pretend the spec is well designed

with like 8 different cds

[bitter badger]

Guys, for enchants do I go Depths on mh and Radiant Power on offhand?

[waxen oyster]

no idea

[grim jay]

Idk, even in m0 it already aint as much of an annoyance anymore

[waxen oyster]

go to for m+ is play aug mage

and whatever pairs with those two

[rotund oak]

yup im doing all content as well with a flow more or less but sometimes on bosses mark can vanish,like disappear and have the ambush/dn active-where-is-my-mark-dude situation

[grim jay]

Just dont ambush

[rotund oak]

[worldly bridge]

All 3 specs have been kinda forgotten this xpac anyway. Look at the parses amount. We’re usually a pretty popular class, now the number of HC parses looks rly low to me

[royal lantern]

@grim jay tbf, thats happening to Tanks now

delves are just really fucked lol

[quiet oar]

Carried by bran

frfr

[grim jay]

Serves them right

[haughty flicker]

no joke

[grim jay]

Fucking tanks

[waxen oyster]

no we never been

[haughty flicker]

brann basically soloed zekvir in a minute and a half

[quiet oar]

Your bran is already 38?

[rotund oak]

100% armor pen.enemy max hp hitter traits,thats not fair

lul srsly though,that dmg is crazy

[royal lantern]

rogue was never a popular class lol

ita the least played class since forever

[haughty flicker]

only 27

[errant night]

what lvl is bran?

oh

[waxen oyster]

what is weapon oil

[worldly bridge]

We’ve never been the most popular for sure but this xpac is way worse if u prefer it phrased like that

[grim jay]

Rogue literally always between 3 and 5% pop

[errant night]

mine is only 25. i wonder if he soloes zekvir too

[waxen oyster]

No rogue has always been on the bottom

[haughty flicker]

a buff brann gives, just does damage when you use spells

[spark rain]

Chat why do I wanna reapply mark before I use DN I forgor

[grim jay]

Close to. Monk was lower, then got more popular but evoker took over the lowest spot

[haughty flicker]

you use dn to apply the mark

[rotund oak]

dont think he can solo but u can do it if u have some pots or a hybrid class

[worldly bridge]

Wait u saying we should go dps Bran for cheat mode on ?

[rotund oak]

think druids do it easier

[haughty flicker]

oh if you're a hybrid class it must be piss easy

[grim jay]

But the whole popularity discussion is kinda stupid anyways, so lets just not talk about it

[grand trail]

So how I'm supposed to do brann if he tanks

Dmg dealer or healer

[grim jay]

I did healer

[haughty flicker]

i think just go damage tbh

[grim jay]

Idk if dps works

[haughty flicker]

although at lower lvls maybe healer is better

[royal lantern]

and evoker is allready almost equal as a class that had a 1per server limit until 1month ago lol

[rotund oak]

no that was for what tryan posted for tanks getting oneshoted in delves,ive used mine as a healer with rage-filled

[haughty flicker]

once brann gets high enough lvl he kills things so fast you dont need to worry about healing

[rotund oak]

yup

true

[haughty flicker]

but before like

26 or something

maybe healer is better

[rotund oak]

sub 25 ild say healer

[grim jay]

Ye but as I said the whole popularity thing is just kinda stupid and not even a real indicator of how fun a class is or anything

[errant night]

so has anyone gone to a delve since the hotfix? is it still easier to go in a group or solo?

[worldly bridge]

Well I’ve tried fotm arcane mage and it’s a blast. I would have probbly dumped my rogue if I didn’t play this class for like 10yrs

We feel kinda outdated imo

[grim jay]

What about it feels outdated? And why isnt it a possibility that arcane just suits your taste more?

[normal mist]

In the opener VV without imp garrote, you vanish ambush right after getting the DN buff because you can't have 2 marks active but you can have marks + DN buff active at the same time.
So if you did the opener right you go into DN after KB, vanish, ambush, build to 7 right after, envenom and you consume both DN and a deathstalker mark, going straight to 2

[strange python]

I dont really understand. less efort class have better dps than need more effort require classes.

[raven egret]

This has caused DN and Mark to bug out and disappear for me more than once

[grim jay]

Wow isnt designed with dps based on effort

And it would be stupid if it was

[normal mist]

You sure you didn't vanish ambush, do 2 finishers below 7 and THEN 7?

[worldly bridge]

We don’t have any new button or fancy stuff. We don’t have much procs and interactions like arcane does. Idk about the other classes ngl. I’ve always been a rogue it’s hard to think my taste shifted to actually be an arcane mage player now 😳

[strange python]

we need more reward if we should efort more. 😄

it doesnt make sense :p

[worldly sail]

that would make casuals (90% of the population) mald

[royal lantern]

its ok, i also turned from a rogue player in DnD into a guy that always olays Wizard

[final stratus]

Yea this makes sense, appreciate the response. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't absolutely fried. Good to know I'm only a little fried

[raven egret]

I mean I stopped doing any of those shenanigans due to it bugging out too much, but even if you do this it shouldn't just make the mark and/or DN disapear and do nothing for 2 m

[grim jay]

Jokes on you, people complain about button bloat, thats why we dont get new buttons. Outlaw has tons of procs and procs are a design aspect, sin and sub are calculated,its good they dont have procs.

[royal lantern]

no, it would be stupid because then everyone would play the 1 class that does higher numbers by default

[grim jay]

It wouldnt make sense if it would be balanced that way

[normal mist]

I did this all night yesterday and it works fine

[worldly sail]

like they dont do it now

[errant night]

feels like 15 percents are already mages

[worldly bridge]

Yeah I’ll give more trys to outlaw actually. Used to hate it for RTB, now that it’s better it might suit me. But damn those apm are high lol

[normal mist]

You just gotta be sure you don't 7cp finisher when you have 1 single mark and DN buff active

[errant night]

because arcane is buffed asf

[royal lantern]

no? like rn its just balance fuckery

if you tell people "yeha, rogue/mage will always be the best dmg cus they are HaRd To PlAy", say goodbye lol

[raven egret]

Ill do some more tests, but still even if you were to do it like that; it STILL shouldnt bug out and invalidate the hero tree till vanish returns

[grim jay]

Procs are just a different way and there are specs for that. Id probably rather play enhancer or something tho
The apm are easy to get used to

[waxen oyster]

best damage

[strange python]

what should have been 😄

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile

ret paladins

[normal mist]

Do it like I said, after vanish ambush (with DN buff active), consume it right after and you'll see it not bug out

[grim jay]

It should be like it is now, just with more skill expression INSIDE of a class

Not between classes

[grim jay]

Ye just gotta hit it on mark 3 or 2

[normal mist]

Exactly

[grim jay]

Which is also the reason why it doesnt really work in m+

[median bane]

If I’m crafting dagger what is the best embellishment to put on it?

[gentle gyro]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vale lantern]

these group delves truck now

[inland escarp]

I dont think they changed any tuning on the solos though

[normal mist]

They did change a lot of stuff from what I just read, but idk if this was a good change or not

[inland escarp]

It said they did but tbh I didnt notice a difference from doing them last night

[pearl osprey]

i just did 2 solo delve ilvl 594 with brann as dps

[stable flint]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[runic hinge]

But what if I just save vanish in case something stupid happens with my mark

[normal mist]

Then you're smart

I just full send because I'm getting used to the fights

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

whispyr something very unfortunate happend last night

on HC

[severe gate]

AYO is it just me or the delves hit different than yesterday ?

[quiet oar]

They "fixed" them

which means

They broke them

[severe gate]

nahh this is overtuned as hell right ?

[earnest remnant]

i swapped to Assa to test some stuff ( i had not setup my assa bars since i clean installed my WTF folder) so i had to play the entire fight clicking my spellbook @balmy condor

[quiet oar]

exactly

Spellbookgaming

[severe gate]

right, rogue is not made for solo content haha

[quiet oar]

Nah they just fucked scaling now

After a hotfix

[balmy condor]

GAMING

[quiet oar]

Stealthi is just a chad

He is built different

[earnest remnant]

it was NOT it

i had to flip pages and shit

[bold lodge]

the sim that shows each classes max dps shows stitchflesh's scalpel in the offhand at 639 but I thought mythic + only goes up to 626?

[quiet oar]

LOL

Pageflipping

[soft shale]

you try to get it in vault

[quiet oar]

"Stealthi move out"
"Sorry need to flip my Spellbook page"

[bold lodge]

oh I didnnt know vault is myth track

ty

[earnest remnant]

i repeat it was not it

[late surge]

what boss is that

[earnest remnant]

egg boss

[late surge]

that boss is so unplayable for me idk

legit 5 fps

laghuun

[earnest remnant]

w/e the fuck the name is of that one is

[late surge]

Broodtwister

fuck me that boss is laggy tho

[earnest remnant]

think this is the first raid where i dont have fps drops doing 30man HC

which was kinda nice

[late surge]

holy

That boss was so bad for like 80% of our guild

I think I averaged 7 fps

[earnest remnant]

my pc is a bit over the avg person's

just slightly xD

[late surge]

oh ur decked out

raccoon supremacy

[balmy condor]

I'm on last gen stuff getting like 85 fps in raid comfortably

[inland escarp]

I knew the 4090 would come in handy for wow

[balmy condor]

idk why everyone is getting frame drops

[late surge]

raid is fine for me except egg boss

idk why that boss is so bad

[normal mist]

My 1650 pro cries sometimes

[quiet oar]

in a 30 man?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[feral basin]

Is ER still bugged?

[balmy condor]

yes

[normal mist]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

same im hovering around 100fps

[quiet oar]

It has to be addons

or weakauras for me

[worldly sail]

i don't think most gamers have last gen or current stuff

[quiet oar]

i mean i had 100 fps on fyrakk mythic

or in amidrassil in general

[solid venture]

any gtx 1080 / i7 7700k gamers

[weak hearth]

Guys question on spreading dots, is there an "automatic" application of dots meaning ;
If I garrot out of stealth targeting one out of 5 mobs, i have 3 mobs garroted
If i press garrot again, with the same mob target

Do I refresh the duration on the main target + apply garrot to the 2 non garroted mobs OR do I reapply 1 garrots to main target + 2 randoms mob

[late surge]

I disabled details and the raid weakauras

[worldly sail]

gtx 1070 / 8600k

[late surge]

broodtwister still fucked me up

[slow tulip]

7800X3D is amazing in wow

[earnest remnant]

it indeed is

[inland escarp]

That cpu has been amazing for me in everything ive played

[worldly sail]

it has smart targeting so it spreads to the 2 non garroted mobs along with the main target reapply

[weak hearth]

i get "smart doting" fits more than "automatic"

[slow tulip]

for me the biggest diff was in PoE ❤️

[inland escarp]

baha ive noticed it the most in games like dwarf fortress and rimworld 😂

[quiet oar]

i do have this

Weakauras fucked

[royal lantern]

thats some chad shit

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[errant night]

tried new delves

as they say

[normal mist]

New toy for me and you tell me nothing?? 😦

[errant night]

fun is detected

[quiet oar]

I can be your new toy

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[haughty sand]

Do we ever go Cold Blood with Deathstaler or always Echoing in m+/raid?

[balmy condor]

always echoing

cold blood isn't awful in any way

but it's kinda whatever

your big envenoms already auto crit

[royal lantern]

we need stronger crits when you go above 100% crit rate

[bold lodge]

does regicide have timestrike?

[royal lantern]

no...?

[slow tulip]

delves solo should be the same right? they only tuned group delves

or am i missing smt

[tender summit]

Spell dmg reduc by 20% when solo i believe

https://www.wowhead.com/news/enemy-spell-damage-reduced-by-20-for-solo-delvers-unannounced-hotfix-346644

[slow tulip]

🍻

[candid hull]

loot council gave the poison ring to a warlock

how cooked am I

[queen egret]

What is the argument for assa rouges recieving the ring?

[candid hull]

What is the argument for warlocks recieving the ring?

[queen egret]

Does our amplified poison talents work on the ring?

Im just curious so i can share with our council

[warm drum]

brain damage?

i play both and i dont see a reason why id want that ring on my lock ever

doesnt sim that high for me

[candid hull]

It's Crit Mastery with nature damage idk how much better can it get for assa rogue

[balmy condor]

the nature damage part is irrelevant

I mean yeah it's nice

but it's not any better for us than anyone else

[candid hull]

but why warlock 😭

[waxen oyster]

it should probably go to a dh

if anything first

unless your dh sucks

[misty hare]

The nature dmg should be amplified by shiv

[waxen oyster]

no lol

[balmy condor]

definitely not, that's a whole can of worms

[misty hare]

I assume.

[waxen oyster]

ask legion sub

hehehe

specter of betrayal go brr

[balmy condor]

it does not, and should not, and will not

item bonuses like trinkets are never intended to interact with spec abilities

[waxen oyster]

it stopped after legion

didnt it

[balmy condor]

yeah

they had it working in legion

and then realized it was dumb as hell

[waxen oyster]

well except outlaw ghostly strike

buffed trinkets

[balmy condor]

I mean there's been outliers

but they've squashed them

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[balmy condor]

fire mage buffed fire damage trinkets for a while

[waxen oyster]

know my favorite legion meme about mage

your best trinket being a wq one

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

shock baton gang

[balmy condor]

trinkets are entirely untunable if you let specs interact with them

demon hunter just gets free reign over everything

would be a nightmare

[waxen oyster]

bfa dh

[misty hare]

Quick question, the icy veins guide on the spec is accurate? Or is there another better guide somewhere ?

[waxen oyster]

find the first thing on dh breakdown

that is a class ability

[balmy condor]

its accurate enough yeah

[misty hare]

Okay

Ty

[waxen oyster]

i do feel dh should get prio on ring first

[balmy condor]

it doesn't have no-imp gar talents I think

[waxen oyster]

since chaos is all magic

[balmy condor]

still need to convince seli

but he's a stubborn old man

[waxen oyster]

idk why people hard cling to crit mast for sin

besides crit feels good

ig

[balmy condor]

crit feel good, mastery thematic

[waxen oyster]

ok but is there a stat

[balmy condor]

but also want 1000% haste for muh energi

[waxen oyster]

to not get my kb parried

[balmy condor]

get everything

[waxen oyster]

asking for a friend

[balmy condor]

all the stats

[stoic needle]

Mastery bis

[balmy condor]

assa rogues will want a billion haste for energy, a billion vers for survival, a billion crit for cp, and a billion mastery for envenom damage

but then can't rub their two braincells together and go "huh yeah maybe secondaries are just good"

[waxen oyster]

tbh

if you kinda not good

stack vers play double depths double damage trinket

[candid hull]

what was that addon that told you if you have diminishing returns on stats

[balmy condor]

hopefully it's called [deleted-addon]

what even is the point of that

[candid hull]

Okay I'll just sim

[celest panther]

true stat values

[pine grove]

Is it true that Bubbling Wax doesn't stack with MH/OH applications?

[balmy condor]

TRUE STAT VALUES

[normal mist]

That addon isn't really helpful

[hallow plaza]

guys a quick question is it super hard to finish delves T8 solo on assasination ?

[balmy condor]

what the hell does that even mean

what's a fake stat value

[balmy condor]

yes

[candid hull]

I had trouble

[balmy condor]

yes

[hallow plaza]

damn

[pine grove]

Thank you.

[normal mist]

No problem

[shadow tulip]

Is there a counting WA for fatal intent? I'm curious

[balmy condor]

it's just a stacking buff

can use a template

but why would you

[safe shale]

What crafting ilvl gear can we even make at this stage?

[normal mist]

Up to heroic raiding +/-

610+

[thorny harness]

if i dont raid this week can i craft a dagger

[normal mist]

You tell us

[safe shale]

Assuming we still gotta buy magic crests as reagents right?

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

And then work order yes

[safe shale]

Neato

Just getting so much raid gear atm want to make sure im not wasting a craft, might still be worth waiting, im unsure

[errant hawk]

Hey @limber lion thanks for your plater, i like it a lot!
Do you gonna update with the new m+ colors ?

[celest panther]

wait whats wrong with it im confused

it just shows what % dr you have on stats, its all

[bronze rain]

do someone have the stat weight for tww to add on pawn? The auto one are totally wrong

[balmy condor]

yeah but what's that do

[crisp stream]

@balmy condor in the build without imp gar, during opener do we have to use vanish or why do we have to use vanish ?

[balmy condor]

what are you gaining from that

[safe shale]

No way anyones hitting DR on rogue already xD?

[balmy condor]

get rid of pawn already man

stat DR's and pawn

what a night

[safe shale]

Hahaha

[celest panther]

probably nothing but someone asked, dont shoot the messenger man

[bronze rain]

i know but i don't like simming at every frop now that we loot 3/4 piecez

i know you are right ofc ^^"

[balmy condor]

if you ambush and apply a mark when you have darkest night you're just getting uptime and accelerating your next darkest night

[balmy condor]

you don't like simming every drop now so your solution is to be wrong instead?

[safe shale]

You missed it Whispyr. Last night someone gave us his sim and said "whys my hc dagger simming 70k dps more than my crafted one"

[balmy condor]

sounds rough

[safe shale]

His crafted had 8k intellect

[candid hull]

oh.

[balmy condor]

just sim a droptimizer once at the start of the week

and you're good to go

that's what we do in guild for loot council

[south drum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

everyone drops a droptimizer at the start of the week with their upgrades

and gg

[safe shale]

Yuppp

[bronze rain]

seems good enogh, thx man, love your work

[balmy condor]

I read over it but I didn't have the heart to say something

[strange maple]

what emblisment should i get if i m crafting a dagger

[safe shale]

Bruh

xD

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange maple]

ty ^_^

[safe shale]

There shpu;d be a rule, where you cannot type in the discord unless youve fully read like an info graphi

😛

[quiet oar]

Was it an Int dagger?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[strange maple]

i almost crafted an int dagger XD

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

I mean thats dumb

[normal mist]

I love this

Make it happen

[quiet oar]

But you know whats even funnier @robust jasper made a strength sword with PvP Tokens

[latent bluff]

Anyone experiencing a bug in m+ where they lose the Deathstalker Marks? 5+cp finishers won't trigger a stack sometime

[safe shale]

Yeah

I mentioned this, didnt know why it was happening

and i was gaslit into thinking it never happened

but

this is known

losing the stacks im not sure whats causing that

Sorry misspoke there a second

[latent bluff]

No I mean won't trigger a stack out of the 3 that are needed for refresh I mean

[quiet oar]

You can only type when you read the pins

[safe shale]

Yeah idk bout that part ive always consumed at 5cp+

[quiet oar]

and if you ask a question covered in pins

you get muted for a week

[safe shale]

No you get given the role of "graphic" and its just one channel of faqs

I have noticed some people complain about losing stacks but infact they just changed targets

Other than that, i have magically lost stacks a few times and have no explaination at allfor it

[latent bluff]

Not sure what's causing it tbh but sometimes finishers won't consume a stack or a stack is getting randomly consumed wiithout a finisher. That's what is happening I think

[safe shale]

DsM should but a buff we get, and can just consume to apply the damage imo

[safe shale]

I really dunno about that, are you sure, ive never heard of this before

Its consuming below 5 ? and sometimes not at?

[latent bluff]

Well not 100% sure yet but I've noticed it a few times yes

[safe shale]

You talking slice and dice finisher? XD or the other two?

[latent bluff]

the other ttwo

[safe shale]

"I have read terms and conditions" energy, though the attempt is good XD

Hahaha

New rule

[balmy condor]

insanely based

[urban moat]

Hello, i started assassination this week and in raid in if the single target gets a bit long there are moments when for like 15seconds i don't have enough energy and just have to wait. Is there something inom doing wrong ?

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[safe shale]

Given the role of, "INFO GRAPHIC READER" where you are auto assigned the role for 24 hours, and only have access to a channel that has only faqs

xD

[queen cosmos]

So if i understand correctly for embelishments you want focusing lens if you play both assa/sub?

[safe shale]

Force em to reaaad

[normal mist]

Stop cooking

That's perfect

We stop there

[balmy condor]

do

no*

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tawdry sedge]

anyone knows how we get our free tier piece from pvp when hit 1.6k cr?

[normal mist]

You get a token

You go the the forth map, and find the vendor

It's in city of threads

You can just wowhead the token's name and all the info will be there

[arctic tusk]

so can you have a deathstalker mark on while ALSO having a darkest night buff

or is my weakaura broken

[safe shale]

Yeth

You can

[arctic tusk]

how does that work exactly

[royal lantern]

yes you can

[normal mist]

You vanish ambush after you consume the last mark that triggers DN

[gentle gyro]

I now hold the belief these two new mobs that are in every delve do not have stealth detection on purpose so rogues can ignore them

[clever sapphire]

just make sure you dont trigger darkest night buff with the last deathstalker mark, because then you will lose the mark

[toxic zephyr]

I'm pretty sure it's when u have DN up the last stack of DS. When you cast envenom at max CP, it'll consume DN and DS, but it won't give you back DN. At this point, u can't reapply DS so you're forced to vanish + reapply or wait til out of combat to restealth

[round nexus]

AOE opener: If you don't get momentum of dispair from FoK, do we cast another FoK?

[balmy condor]

no

you don't track momentum of despair in aoe

[round nexus]

Why is FoK in the opener?

[clever sapphire]

fok in aoe gives you the most cp, im gonna assume its because of that

[tender summit]

Assume is to consume Clear the Witnesses

[balmy condor]

Fok is our aoe generator

Stands to reason it would be in the opener

[gentle gyro]

you use fok in ST with clear the witnesses (and no vicious venoms), but in aoe it's your primary generator

[unreal jackal]

Yo, managed to get through Delve tier 8 no problems right now. Thought the jump from 7 to 8 would be way worse /s

[gentle gyro]

how did you deal with these fuckers

[balmy condor]

Blizzard made it even harder lmao

[round nexus]

why doesnt ER go before it if it's only to generate CP?

i thought you used it to get mountentum of despair

after CT

[unreal jackal]

Check the /s. I died .... a lot.

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t make a difference either way

You can ER first if you really want to

[round nexus]

I want to be optimal

[arctic tusk]

so bone spike just gives u 2 combo points per target?

[round nexus]

😄

[dusty zenith]

Guys I’m trying to sleep, was dreaming about outlaw doing 300k more dps that sin

Oh wait

[balmy condor]

Okay then follow the opener?

[inland escarp]

Sub with tricks on brann

[gentle gyro]

i already use tricks on brann, causes mobs to evade half the time

[inland escarp]

I did it for all 4 of mine tonight, had 1 death total because i derped and didnt avoid a charge

[gentle gyro]

like i can clear t8s, it's just insane how unbalanced they are

[inland escarp]

Feel like sub has it way easier

[lone lava]

Am struggling to theorycraft a go to M+ build with the 11.0.5 changes. Is this even viable or is Lethal dose too good to give up?

[balmy condor]

Lethal dose is a cornerstone of the spec

One of the strongest talents on the entire tree

[digital ravine]

Hi so i read that and from what i understand you want to dump energy under cds and then pool back during downtime ? Am i correct ?

[lone lava]

You surely want to squeeze in Master assassin and TTK right?

[balmy condor]

You maintain envenom clipping for pandemic outside of cooldowns, in cooldowns you have tea

[balmy condor]

Who knows

Might still not use subterfuge/without a trace

Might drop amp poison

[digital ravine]

Sorry but what's envenom clipping ?

[balmy condor]

Or drop MA and doomblade, move bone spike to dashing

World is your oyster

[final stratus]

Refresh envenom buff

Just before it drops

[balmy condor]

Refreshing in the last second

[lone lava]

Yeah, idk. The build just feels incomplete no matter what i end up with

[balmy condor]

Good

[digital ravine]

Oh so like garrot and rapture for pandemic

[balmy condor]

Yes

Envenom pandemics too

[digital ravine]

Thanks for the answers

[balmy condor]

So you’re just trying to maintain it

[final stratus]

Although dropping Envenom buff means you lose out on 10% envenom damage for the next envenom

[digital ravine]

I had no idea tbh

[dusty zenith]

Everything balanced it seems

[balmy condor]

The week 1 heroic chart pog

[ocean ferry]

Im energy starving in ST is this normal?

[balmy condor]

Looks kinda okay

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[lone lava]

Amp posion dosnt contribute to Lethal right

[balmy condor]

Ofc it does

It’s a weapon poison

[lone lava]

True

Dosnt feel like Iron wire is playable with MA

[grim jay]

Why shouldnt it

[lone lava]

You cant fill your capstones

Unless you run no crimson

Could be a play i guess

[balmy condor]

What

I know all of those words individually

[grim jay]

Weve been running MA ct and iw together before

[tawdry portal]

How does the new Patch affect thristle Tea? Can we only use it once per fight?

[balmy condor]

Why are we not filling capstones

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t

[crisp pine]

You just can't

[balmy condor]

Same talent, additionally auto procs under 30

[lone lava]

Show me a MA build

[balmy condor]

Damn, got me there

[tawdry portal]

And whats with the cooldown Changes? 🙈

Or did i misunderstood the Changes because of languagebarrier 😂

[normal mist]

3 charges, if you go under 30 energy, it auto chugs one

[grim jay]

I whiffed the 1 point

On the left

That should be sanguine

[vocal minnow]

the word cooldown is not even used at all in the changelog

[lone lava]

No seal?

[crisp pine]

Now show me a build without deadly poison

[balmy condor]

Or this

[lone lava]

I like this better, but i guess you cant play TTK

[tawdry portal]

@vocal minnow

[wheat vigil]

Hi guys how i manage energy more efficent? On mid fight its out and i use whistle tea too much

[safe shale]

pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[vocal minnow]

dont read those - read the actual changes. There is a lot of technical stuff in those that dont matter for you

[grim jay]

You gotta trade something, but it was just an example. There are some talents you can move but calculator sucks on phone ngl

[balmy condor]

Then play this

[lone lava]

Yeah, ig

[gray olive]

my assa have this status without flask or any buff, kinda too much mastery? or its fine?

[lone lava]

Still, just feels so incomplete, but this is the best outcome afaik

[grim jay]

I think this even was a contender early on

Where you would run instant and deadly

[vocal minnow]

all of those feel so scuffed

[lone lava]

You surely play double shiv over concoction`?

[gentle gyro]

!sim

wait do we not have this anymore

[safe shale]

% doesnt mean much, whats the number

[balmy condor]

Nah

Double shiv kinda blows

[lone lava]

Is Kingsbane considered a wep poison?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

No

Weapon poisons are poisons you apply to your weapon

Kingsbane is a nature dot

[crisp pine]

Kingsbane is a poison you apply to a king

[vocal minnow]

is wax a weapon poison?

[grim jay]

[lone lava]

Sure, its just worded in a way it could be

[gray olive]

10k in crit and 17k on mastery

[safe shale]

You are fine

[gray olive]

6k on hast

[balmy condor]

Wax is a weapon enhancement

[grim jay]

No, weapon poisons have always been clearly defined the same thing

[safe shale]

Youre still like 4k away from any DR on mastery, you are fine

[grim jay]

Stop

[safe shale]

xD

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

No DR shenanigan shit in here

[balmy condor]

I CANT ESCAPE THE STUPID DR CONVO

[safe shale]

ahahha im fucking with you

tRuUEE sTatsSS

[grim jay]

It will turn into a gangbang rq if you arent careful

[safe shale]

People just gotta chill on stats tbh

[grim jay]

(and not the pleasuring one)

[grim jay]

Ye but I mean

Other classes are fueling that shit

[twin plume]

stats aren't real they can't hurt you

[grim jay]

Or atleast were often

[safe shale]

Yeah tbh

Monks want haste

fuck everything else

xD

My friends got 20k haste on his, thats wild

[worldly sail]

vers is my highest stat atm because the stats are so close

so ilvl just wins

not having to care too much about secondaries is very cool tbh

[royal lantern]

yes

[worldly sail]

nvm i had random flask on its actually mastery

[royal lantern]

numbrr big = good

is based af

[balmy condor]

My sims had me wearing vers neck and double vers rings earlier

[vocal minnow]

ye it sucks that every roguespec wants different stats - being close makes it a tiny bit better

[worldly sail]

ICANT

i would have loved this neck as outlaw in DF

[royal lantern]

can i choke you?

[worldly sail]

[balmy condor]

That’s a banger neck though

[worldly sail]

big delve neck

[balmy condor]

Indeed

[grim jay]

I have like 31% crit, I'm close to the magical number

[worldly sail]

talking of flasks btw, last night i extended a r2 flask with a r3, i got the r3 stats but it kept the extra duration from r2

gold saving hack for guilds

[balmy condor]

Bro is about to transcend time and space holy

[safe shale]

transcend into dr

[balmy condor]

That’s giga jank

[errant night]

guys, i'm trying to find out whether i want to main another class (probably lock or mage, haven't decided yet) or play my rogue. just one question: is it possible that blizz will make something for rogues to feel just ok (wouldn't even say great)? if the answer is no, what class would be easier and funnier in raids: mage or warlock? i already have a mage with fire, but it's complete shit

[safe shale]

bye

[royal lantern]

thats a weird question?

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with rogues now

[worldly sail]

yeah idk if its specific to fleeting cauldron flasks, haven't bought r3 with my own gold so cant try

[grim jay]

Its actually funny what can happen if you just equip ilvl. My 603 pieces are all crit heavy

[safe shale]

Bro trolling fr right

[errant night]

i'm not trolling

[royal lantern]

fun is subjective mate

[safe shale]

comes into class disc "btw this class sucks, what should i play" is wild

[balmy condor]

I mean you’re saying rogue doesn’t feel good

Sounds like rogue isn’t for you

[safe shale]

Play BM hunter bro

There you go

[vocal minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/boxxy-emo-cute-i-am-not-trolling-trollin-gif-25970401

[errant night]

i like the class fantasy and i like my transmog a lot (which is already a point to play rogue) but feel no fun at all, though i felt like it was ok

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[worldly sail]

have you tried all the specs

[balmy condor]

Sounds like rogue isn’t for you

[errant night]

you know what

[safe shale]

Play warrior

[errant night]

it just feels for me like i'm playing a chess

[vocal minnow]

fury warrior it is

[errant night]

constantly thinking what to do/what not to do

[safe shale]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-17500258755908763204

[errant night]

just want to have a little bit of peace

haha

[balmy condor]

Warrior yep

[surreal wedge]

Smash that keyboard

[normal mist]

Mage

[errant night]

nah i don't want to be melee, and i saw that warrior is quite "apm" or smth

[normal mist]

Arcane mage

[safe shale]

I love for this disc sometimes it's just wild

[surreal wedge]

If you want you can also go for ret

[errant night]

like pushing too many buttons per sec

[surreal wedge]

🙂

[twin plume]

try tetris.. oh nvm you have to think what to do and what not to do

[safe shale]

Yeah high APM but that's because they bang their heads on key oard and hit many buttons at the same time

[errant night]

bro, that's not really the point, i just want it to feel like a game, not like a second job

[normal mist]

Mage

[surreal wedge]

Does anyone have a good plater for tracking bleeds ?

[safe shale]

I've died

[errant night]

that's what i'm talking about.. mage or lock..

[normal mist]

Mage

[safe shale]

Arcane mage

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[safe shale]

Really easy for new players

[normal mist]

Arcane mage

[safe shale]

Yup

[balmy condor]

What about orange mage

[royal lantern]

we cant Tell you what you would enjoy more

[normal mist]

That's just fire mage without the ignition

[safe shale]

Ooooooh haven't tried orange mage since warlords of draenor

[balmy condor]

What about…. White mage

[normal mist]

Ff14

Those are healers

[royal lantern]

Holy spam

[normal mist]

Pog

[balmy condor]

What about purple mage

[safe shale]

Play bard bro

[errant night]

fire mage was my main before i started playing on official servers

[normal mist]

That's a lock

[errant night]

that was good

[normal mist]

Now try arcane

[languid tide]

what are the cheap enchant options for someone who just came back? like 30k per enchant is a bit much for me atm

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s what I said, purple mage

[normal mist]

Ahahahah

[spice surge]

Purple name promoting purple mage

[safe shale]

Man mained orange mage on unofficial severs

[balmy condor]

Honestly not worth enchanting the rubbish we have atm

[safe shale]

Yup I'm dead

[grim jay]

Ive heard they are dead

[balmy condor]

No, fire mage is blue mage

[royal lantern]

mfs talking about visual clarity didnt play a dungeon with a WhM spamming aoe spells 24/7

[safe shale]

Aaah yeah my bad

[royal lantern]

flashbang

[balmy condor]

Orange mage is chimkin

[safe shale]

😂

[normal mist]

I Know right!!!

[balmy condor]

And then you got green mage now too

[gray olive]

you're joking or i'm really fine with this status? hahah idk i'm new here

[cosmic heart]

Hey, anyone knows what could be an issue of plater still tracking all of rogue debuffs? Tried to add everything to blacklist (by id or name) and it doesnt change a thing

[safe shale]

You are fine bro dw

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

Just sim yourself man no one can tell you whether your stats are good or not

[safe shale]

I wonder what class that man will pick, he should try asking the paladin discord about mage

[balmy condor]

Probably better off asking in plater discord tbh

[gray olive]

i did it 1.25m dps on dungeon slice, idk if its good right now on our gear cap

[balmy condor]

Sounds like an issue with your mod or something

[cosmic heart]

where can i find a plater discord ?

[balmy condor]

Okay well this wasn’t what I meant either

[grim jay]

Thats not what he meant. Sim topgear with what you have

And if you equipped the highest you can get with what you have, its good

[safe shale]

"hey guys check my good DPS, idk if it's good though, you think it's good?"

[grim jay]

If not then it isnt

[gray olive]

ahh i did it also

[royal lantern]

you dont have to be a dick about it

[gray olive]

ok understood

[balmy condor]

Google.com plater wow discord

[safe shale]

What is going on in his today

[grim jay]

You are calling everyone a dick lately, maybe you are trying to hide your dickiness

[royal lantern]

no, i want one inside me

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

His royal dickness

[manic pebble]

[grim jay]

Dickiness is cuter

[balmy condor]

Dickchen

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

[slow tulip]

[safe shale]

Hey I'm all for helping people in the discord, but brain can only handle so much rot of people repeating questions with pinned answers and asking questions that Google can answer within 2 seconds, before I start trolling

[balmy condor]

And now you know why I am the way I am

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[errant night]

i'm gonna stay here to ask about mage

[royal lantern]

we have that dance for close to a decade now

[safe shale]

😂

[balmy condor]

This discord is a permanent training ground of mental fortitude

[safe shale]

Guys, what stats are best

😂😂😂😂

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-cleaning-out-my-closet-trimmed-gif-22270032

[balmy condor]

It’s like a secret CIA torture technique

[queen cosmos]

So i am trying to get as close as humany possible to sim dps to improve in a 3 min dummy fight (no buffs ofc), but after many tries i am noticing i am losing about 7 million damage in envenoms (even though i have same casts) and 3 million damage difference in kingbane damage aswell. Anyone could help me see what i am doing wrong?

[safe shale]

Sounds like a shiv timing to me

[queen cosmos]

I have hit the dummy for more than 5-6 times and these differences stay consistent

[safe shale]

Or envenom spam

[balmy condor]

Or not spamming during shiv idk

[safe shale]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

like, i can understand that one because literally everyone in this game yells at you how stats are giga important and that you need "insert imaginary stat%" to do anything at all

yes, its complette BS most of the time, but i can understand why somebody would asume it

[balmy condor]

Could also be bad tea

[queen cosmos]

I should try to fit more envenoms in kingsbane then?

[balmy condor]

Well you’re supposed to full spam during shiv

That’s when you’re doing damage

[grim jay]

My dps hate it if it aint Earl grey

[balmy condor]

So you’re not pooling

[queen cosmos]

Also make sure i dont lose shiv, got it. Will try again with these tips thank you

[balmy condor]

Use the kingslayers as a coffee stirrer

Just swirling the tea around

[grim jay]

But which version of them

[balmy condor]

Whichever kills me quickest

[safe shale]

I love that tea gives mastery, is so much fun 💀

[balmy condor]

Had a guy in YouTube chat today tell me drinking monsters hurts my life expectancy and I was like yeah I fucking hope so man

[safe shale]

I'd be mad if it didn't ffs

[slow tulip]

deadge angle

[grim jay]

Did as told, result is unexpected

[balmy condor]

Yo that one is sick

Love green apple

[safe shale]

Idk I don't drink any that day zero

The pink punch is like meta

[balmy condor]

The zero ones are the only ones worth drinking tbh

[slow tulip]

ultra golden pineapple enjoyers?

[balmy condor]

My dad likes those

[grim jay]

Yeees

[safe shale]

I used to love mango, but I swear someone like pukes in the bottom of the tin these days

[grim jay]

Imo the best. They just do something different and the way they feel in my mouth idk

[balmy condor]

You like the mouth feel?

[grim jay]

You dont?

[balmy condor]

I’m not answering any questions about my preferred mouth feel

[normal mist]

Feet

Goth girls feet

[balmy condor]

Feet?

[grim jay]

Royal definitely is different

[balmy condor]

Royal is a real one

[grim jay]

Likes the feel of goth girl feet in his mouth

[safe shale]

Why they keep doing that pov though fr ahahah

Like 3 times niw

[normal mist]

Goth girls that act all baddy and inside 4 walls are the cutest things ever

[safe shale]

Fact

[grim jay]

Soooo good

[normal mist]

I hope my gf doesn't read this chat

[balmy condor]

Having had 6 years of Spanish lessons and a Mexican gf, I’ve never been able to understood the Portuguese

But I get royal

[normal mist]

Ahahahh

[errant night]

what about italian

[tawdry flint]

You tried the ultra strawberry dream flavour?

[safe shale]

What

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ve ordered a lasagna before

[safe shale]

Sounds wild

[balmy condor]

I have a whole case under my desk

Had 2 today

[safe shale]

Oh yeah

[balmy condor]

:3

[royal lantern]

#1080572530554835072 BREACH

[balmy condor]

Ayo

[tawdry flint]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[normal mist]

YO

[worldly sail]

my ambush straight up isn't putting deathstalkers on enemies in this delve im in

[balmy condor]

Get @silk bane in on that

[normal mist]

That's a really good cosplay actually

The feet are on point

[balmy condor]

That’s what you think

[balmy condor]

Not purple enough

And missing the toe rings

Smh

3/10

[normal mist]

Darn it

I'm so easily pleased

[grim jay]

I hope she does so I can finally have you for myself

[balmy condor]

Yo dog what

[normal mist]

No I'm fine thanks

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Royal still in denial

[safe shale]

Bruh, imagine the designer of xal, like, hmm yes, this character would fit sure, not wear shoes and 100% would have time rings, that makes sense

[grim jay]

But he knows deep down

[safe shale]

Like the train if though haha

[grim jay]

He loves the boys

[normal mist]

I love the homies

Not the boys

[grim jay]

But the boys are your homies

[balmy condor]

My headcanon is that they fired the briar designer from riot and blizzard scooped them up and just let bro go crazy

[grim jay]

Aint we

[safe shale]

Hahahahah actually though

Briar 😂

It's hilarious over the last 6 months, goth girl feet has like been a meme, wild

[grim jay]

Based

[manic pebble]

I wish I could browse wowhead guides

[balmy condor]

Yeah a meme haha sweats nervously so funny fr fr on god haha….

[grim jay]

Use a vpn

[safe shale]

Yeah that's the reason it's stuck, because everyone's secretly into it 😭

[grim jay]

Your girl aint a goth girl, is she? Didnt look like one

[normal mist]

I've seen so many people recently that can't access wowhead.
Turkey, India, etc

[grim jay]

Wonder why

[normal mist]

I really don't know

[torpid estuary]

Got the delves today harder?

[normal mist]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[safe shale]

My wife pretends she's not

[balmy condor]

Cause fanbyte doesn’t operate in those countries

[grim jay]

I was joking

[balmy condor]

Oh

[grim jay]

They can all still use vpn, no?

Most people use one anyways

[manic pebble]

Maybe

[balmy condor]

Yeah should work

[manic pebble]

I’ll find one

that is free and easy to use

[grim jay]

Not an easy task ig

[sturdy stirrup]

when girls hug each other thats friendship but when i kiss my homie society calls me gay

[fair stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/why-uganda-are-you-gay-you-gif-12775398

[maiden sierra]

Ive kissed way more men than women and im like super straight

Granted its not hard when the woman count is 0

[signal ore]

hello there, just a quick question, pi for assa still a thing? Couldnt really find anything

[maiden sierra]

No

[grim jay]

Yes

[signal ore]

😄

[grim jay]

Depends on how many PIs and classes you have that are potentially better, its still up there

[maiden sierra]

According to Pi spreadsheet, we are nowhere near as good as rest of the classes

[faint path]

I'm not getting any item from dungeon fuck this game

[grim jay]

Did you look at the wrong column

Or the wrong sheet

[grim jay]

Maybe I took yours

I had 3 items in 1 nw

[signal ore]

Bloodmallet doesnt even list Assa, or im blind af. Had 2 priests one gave me his PI and the other got to our enhancement sham

[grim jay]

Can use ulrias sheet for 5 min pi sims or something

[maiden sierra]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview

Have a look

Make your own opinion

[fair stirrup]

there's different spreadsheets saying different things

[next lily]

Do I want to stay above 50% energy at pretty much all times with sanguine blades or are there times i should dump energy

[grim jay]

So some specs ahead

Some of which arent played

[tacit wedge]

how are delves as sin rogue? hard?

[grim jay]

Doesnt change my Statement

[maiden sierra]

Some? How many priests do you have lmao

[limber lion]

Yeh I'll try to do it in a week or two. Been super busy irl.

But ty!

[grim jay]

3 or 4

Also as I said performance plays a role

Everything at lower World ranks and below usually has a huge gap in player skill

[clever sapphire]

dunno, only did it as sub. I would assume if you wanna solo its gonna be pretty hard

because you have to get brann to tank

and thats annoying without 1 hour tricks

[grim jay]

Pretty doable, just not as easy as with trickster 1h tricks

[subtle tundra]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[subtle tundra]

is wax on main hand bugged?

i heard smth

[grim jay]

On oh ive heard

[safe shale]

Yeah for some reason I swear rogue discord is the only one that posts Sims WITH PI, which is odd, as we shouldn't really be getting it, a basic SIM is press optimal buffs

[balmy condor]

What

[safe shale]

Yeah idk, I never see anyone else simming with PI 😂

[strange python]

Bro just whisper priests and pay them for pi even if it's bad

[safe shale]

😂

[balmy condor]

We don’t publish pi sims

[strange python]

it just makes you look better than the people who actually want it in raid

[safe shale]

Yeah a lot of people have been for some strange reason hshs

[subtle tundra]

hey can you show those

[safe shale]

I mean maybe it's pure chance but the like 5 I checked all had pi on

[balmy condor]

Maybe eyes broken idk

I haven’t seen a pi sim in like almost a year

[pliant gazelle]

How to play around this trinket ? Should stay at 20 stacks of agi as much as possible and freeze at 20 for Deathmark ?

[balmy condor]

Maybe not that long

6 months?

[faint path]

I feel like this is better than echoing...

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Then play it

Who’s stopping you

[faint path]

I'm playing it but wanted to share

[balmy condor]

[crude nymph]

Whispyr I wanna ask the real questions tho
|| top 5 maplestory bgms? ||

[safe shale]

For sure isn't though

[tender cedar]

Which nonset item would you take ?

In the 5 slots

[clever sapphire]

i love how after a whole season of arguing against it, whispyr just accepts people going double vanish

[faint path]

I didn't see any conversation about it before :p

[clever sapphire]

welp there has been a bit too much talk about it after dance removal

[balmy condor]

In no particular order

• chu chu
• morass
• esfera bloody cage
• hotel Arcus way out of the wilderness
• hotel arcus train heading nowhere

[worldly sail]

double vanish bis in delves so you can have brann keep aggro even after tricks runs out

[cerulean walrus]

These vanish cooks will give Whispyr an aneurysm

[balmy condor]

It’s been one of the most debated things since dance removal because no matter how often I show it’s pointless and argue that it’s a waste of points, some high level rogue will play it and then everyone goes “but whispyr XYZ played it so it’s good!!!!” And then we go in a loop again

And at this point

I don’t give a shit anymore

Play whatever

[crude nymph]

a savant and saint

[balmy condor]

I’m not playing your character

[cerulean walrus]

If you want to double vanish so be it

Vanish from the meters

[tender cedar]

Or do I see it right that we go for 5pc tier set

[cerulean walrus]

Bozo

Always Show Me ✅

[clever sapphire]

sim to win, assa likes all the stats so doesnt matter which one you have

[subtle tundra]

if you play with details off there is literally no dps difference
its just more vanish

[balmy condor]

I will say, all of the limbo bgm is sick though

[fluid badger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

They’ve been cooking with Grandis

[tawny geyser]

What does Engineer Bracers give to us? CR is not a tinker anymore...so is it even worth crafting the eng bracers?

[balmy condor]

Gives you a pair of crafted bracers I guess same as always

[tawny geyser]

Yea but before we had a special use with them...

[balmy condor]

They had a fail chance since shadowlands or bfa anyways

[vocal minnow]

it gets you more of your best stat - thats it

[balmy condor]

Think the vast majority just didn’t care to craft them at all

They’ve never been bis or anything

[solemn drift]

guys what do we craft with sparks?

[tawny geyser]

I know the goggles were pretty good on Outlaw in S3

cause of verse

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[solemn drift]

so if i already have 2 daggers 606

should i go for wrist belt

[balmy condor]

Whichever you prefer

[amber birch]

just curious why is in the talent tree here no blood twister but the text below says we utilize it

for this fight

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s not updating

Build is correct

Text is whack

[fleet sorrel]

in this fight there is no point to take more aoe beside spatter

[vocal minnow]

blood twister ahahaha

[amber birch]

thanks for the clarification 😄

[vocal minnow]

did you google translate that

[amber birch]

just out of my head translation xD

[balmy condor]

Blutroter sturm is deutsch

[clever sapphire]

man bloodbound horror truly is a horror, when you get 2 adds on 1 side and 1 on the exact opposite

[tired panther]

Anyone know of any trinket sims based on different ilvls? You know the Line diagram thingies that compare a bunch? Instead of a tier list

[tender cedar]

Alright, was thinking the same 😅 just wanted to hear a different opinion

[grim jay]

Bloodmallet but it also can suck

[spice surge]

Theres no assa profile submitted to bloodmallet, so that doesnt work

But also bloodmallet still includes drgonflight open world trinkets (at the wrong ilvl)

And it also has crafted trinkets at wrong ilvl, and include darkmoon decks at higher than 577

Lots of strange things

[errant night]

if anyone is interested.. gonna stay rogue

hahah

[tired panther]

Doesnt have Assa 😄 But thanks!

[true drum]

do we have a wa for "Fury of the stormrook"?

[errant night]

i think it was just because all this delve thing freaks me out

[spice surge]

Ideally just sim yourself

[golden loom]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0