assassination

[gray horizon]

the other rogue in my guild got the sick ass fist wep and he was cranking

[sick pewter]

Guild needed rogue so ima try the different specs

Might roll Outlaw as I dont like the arms feeling so far

[gray horizon]

tbh in basically every fight, me and the outlaw rogue were very close

[sick pewter]

Just hate that dps meter shows 95% BF in AoE

[novel star]

i mean

ur st damage is the same shit right

so u just ignore bf and look at the rest

[fickle lotus]

Can't wait to crank tonight after i realized i was using the wrong single target sorta cleave talents all night for our normal clear 😭

[novel star]

or no

[radiant kettle]

@balmy condor In your stream 2 nights ago, you meantioned you're running Sub in Delves. I am trying to find that talent build in your vod but I can't find it. Can you share those talents or elaborate on why you prefer Sub for Delves? Thank you. Disregard, I found it. Thank you again for your guides, they are incredibly helpful.

[novel star]

infinite tricks of the trade

tank brann

[manic pebble]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[fickle lotus]

whats the ! command for the spreadsheet showing 2p and 4p dps diff?

[manic pebble]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic pebble]

hmm not that one

[fickle lotus]

i thought it was that one too but it wasn't when I checked last night

[real rain]

tfw outlul outsimms sin even at 34% mastery 🙃

[cobalt bison]

using nightelf into ambush doesnt procc deathstalker mark cuz it doesnt actually count as stealth right

[shell spoke]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[ocean bear]

How much of a loss is going "raid easy mode" fatebound vs deathstalker

[shy pecan]

!hero

[arctic socket]

Probably 2-5%

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[cloud basin]

anyone taken on Zekvir solo yet in delves?

[arctic socket]

What’s the point in delves?

All of my gear is above 593

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cat-631428-gif-24226299

[slow tulip]

603 il base

[cloud basin]

i mean t8+ drops champ track gear

[spice surge]

And if you drop a map it can drop hero track

[arctic socket]

All I get from delves are trash trinkets and cloaks

After 9 deep

[sterile violet]

i played AOE one in the new raid and i was number 4 in damage i think the best one is AOE cuz single target their is no crimson tempest

[night hare]

hey guys, i'm a new ass player and im coming from fury, main problem im running into is energy starvation, should i be sending abilities ON gcd like you would fury or do i need to slow my rotation down to conserve energy?

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[night hare]

ty

[chilly mist]

What are people doing with crafts right now? Thinking of sending dagger + wrist, then recraft dagger week 1 with Mythic crests.

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[static glacier]

depths or radiant power for wep enchant?

using the wep for everything

[slow tulip]

both

[subtle tundra]

We need a bot to detect keywords and automatically type commands

[static glacier]

as in one offhand one mh?

[cloud basin]

i may actually just swap to fatebound for raid lol

[static glacier]

!enchant

[static glacier]

I sim higher as fatebound

[dawn pollen]

depths simss highest, but are quite expensive

[static glacier]

both same price

nvm radiant power is 5k more

[dawn pollen]

yes you are right depths dropped alot

were 40k yesterday

[static glacier]

ima just use a r2

its a 610 pvp dagger

gonna be replaced next week

[dawn pollen]

but try sim yourself depth sims highest for me

[normal mist]

Would be so helpful

[random pollen]

you guys see these yet?

[subtle tundra]

[raven egret]

Nope, no one saw these since yesterday here, no one at all

[nova aspen]

its pretty poggies

[thorn fjord]

Nice

Love coming in to work and seeing changes

You guys are cute

[sly sky]

Did the price of stormcharged leather go up?

[covert schooner]

Anyone know why caustic spatter isn't showing up on my plater?

[sly sky]

I was going to craft the belt and go double dawnthreadbans I feel like it costs more to make than when I crafted the wrists

[covert schooner]

it used too /shrug

[vapid geode]

is there a command for the ilvl gear chart?

[inner current]

!talents

[cinder parrot]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[cinder parrot]

Is there anything good to craft with the spark this week?

[grave blade]

Ion please buff us

[eager tree]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[eager tree]

@cinder parrot

[cinder parrot]

ty

[cobalt sphinx]

do you have deadly poison on your target

[woven torrent]

beeing a noob and doing the raids for the first time what is recommnded the raid single target or the raid aoe build from the wow head guide?

[cobalt sphinx]

single target for like every fight + spatter if there are any adds i think

or you can just run spatter the whole time if you don't know if there are adds

internal bleeding is not a lifechanging choice node

[woven torrent]

so the aoe raid and im goode?

[covert schooner]

I do, wondering if its just not tracking on dummys

[cobalt sphinx]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips there are builds for every fight right?

[subtle tundra]

nerfs

[woven torrent]

xD

[subtle tundra]

buffs

thats it. thats gonna be tuesday

[woven torrent]

@mike Ty

[covert schooner]

Just needed a RL

[cobalt sphinx]

raid aoe is good yeah i think that's pretty much st with spatter

[placid adder]

It’s almost like this is about when tww should of been released

[woven torrent]

one more thing ER gets send on CD ?

[thorn crater]

hey guys i assume the scroll of momentum is bad on all ilvls correct?

cause the effect sucks balls giving MS

[candid nacelle]

Hey guys, dose anyone know whats the best stats to do? i know crit=mastery >Tempo> Versa but what how many % of them

[grim jay]

sim

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[placid adder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[candid nacelle]

ty

https://gyazo.com/f8d3d5330f5edce5c658bd4d525a9ffc

[spice spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[candid nacelle]

so it tells me, t hat i need more haste than crit

[short fox]

how can i get coffer key shards?

[spice spire]

World quests or you can do bountiful to get one back

Also drops from weeklies iirc

[nova aspen]

there have also been a few pvp world quests that give them

[shy pecan]

You shouldn’t use stat weights these days. Use top gear

[hot nexus]

is it worth caring about amplifying poison stacks in aoe? or just send envenoms on spatter target every time?

[spice spire]

Just send envenom a

Less think more zoom

[hot nexus]

[fallow jetty]

guys how much dps increase is the tier set? :o

[spice spire]

1%/3%

It’s not major

[fallow jetty]

are all the tier sets that "bad" in this tier?

[spice spire]

No

Dh is apparently like 10%?

Rogue seems low on the totem pole for sure tho

[fallow jetty]

oh okay :o

[formal field]

In aoe situations say 3+ targets do we maintain crimson tempest or do we use it as our spender every time we have 5+cp?

I saw a streamer spamming CT

[covert schooner]

Which ability technically designates what you "Priority target" is for assass

[tribal stag]

It's the one you want dead

[opal basin]

the initial damage isn't worth it. the DoT is all that matters

aka no don't spam it

[paper flower]

12 sec indiscriminate carnage pog

[manic pebble]

!sim

[wise plume]

is that with subterfuge tho?

[weary shoal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hushed elbow]

si embellished gear gonna be our bis?

like, if i got delve wrists i should make embellished anyways

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah otherwise your character will explode

and all your gear will drop on the ground for other players to loot

[hushed elbow]

hype

[weary shoal]

is it better to craft set items if I dont raid ?

[uneven plume]

if you have 606 bracers or belt, just make the other.

if you have 606 bracers AND belt, jsut make something else like boots

[regal kiln]

Whats the addon to see more stats about ur character ? like it shows the difference on ur dmg when u switch main hand dagger , atck sped etc

[uneven plume]

its not gonna really matter anyways

[cobalt sphinx]

no addon will run realtime sims for you

if you want to get lied to, it's pawn

[regal kiln]

nah its just showing ur more stats about ur character

[subtle tundra]

bro mbappe

holy shit

he is rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

dejacharacterstats?

[subtle tundra]

no fucking way

[cobalt sphinx]

does that still exist

[regal kiln]

YES

DEJACHRACTERSTATS

tyyy

[regal kiln]

❤️

[manic pebble]

do you use dungeon slice or patchwerk 5+ targets for m+ sim?

[subtle tundra]

dslice

[manic pebble]

a friend told me that dungeon slice is not accurate

I doubted it

[shy pecan]

It is for rogues

[subtle tundra]

for other classes could be

[manic pebble]

he's a mage so it could be that

[subtle tundra]

mages and misinformation

a good combo

[iron valve]

nothing is 100% accurate, but dungeon slice is a decent generalization of m+

[shy pecan]

It’s a gearing tool. Not an actual number generator.

[manic pebble]

aight ty for answers! back to simming

[cobalt sphinx]

dungeon slice is bad if they haven't specifically done any work on it, and a lot of classes/specs don't

[warped lily]

Hi guys

[subtle tundra]

helo

[warped lily]

Do you have a video someoine showing Assasination Rotation?

[subtle tundra]

whispyr

youtube search that guy

[manic pebble]

@warped lily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_if0HnJ1gE

[warped lily]

Nice

[manic pebble]

the best guide out there

[warped lily]

Thank you guys

[full goblet]

thats for aoe or single target?

[soft void]

If pvp dagger is an upgrade, what's the best way to aquire?

[cobalt sphinx]

depends on your pvp capabilities and tolerance

you can get it in epic bgs but if you win all your skirmishes those are good too

[cloud basin]

so i take it if i just got a hero track chest i should catalize it lol?

[novel star]

dont use catalyst until u actually get set from it

its like 99% chance to be safe but

theres no point changing to mid tier stats unless it gives u the set

[outer kiln]

guys, can anyone tell me why do you grab a point of echoing reprimand without actually grabbing the last point to charge 3 of the combo points? is it worth for the 45 sec cd 1 animacharged cp? or should i ditch 1 point of letality to get the Resouding Clarity talent?

[novel star]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[wispy bane]

can we add the secondary stats for these in raidbots?

[cloud basin]

i dont see why i wouldnt catalize to this since its heroic track lol

[cobalt sphinx]

because you're getting a 616 tier chest in your vault on tuesday

[opal basin]

Do what you want @cloud basin

[round nexus]

There’s no reason to spend charges unless it’s to enable 4 link, imo

[gloomy otter]

isnt 2 set bonus worth going for?

[rain mortar]

Short term it’s good, but if you send it you may not get your pc next week

[spice spire]

It’s a small gain

Very small

[sterile torrent]

does anyone have the ID for the debuff given by deathstalkers mark?

[cloud basin]

dont we get another charge next week?

[gloomy otter]

aight gotcha ty

[narrow bone]

For the Kiss of Death trinket, how long is it worth delaying it to sync with CD's, or do we just send it?

[dapper cradle]

457052

maybe this?

[sterile torrent]

doesnt work no 😒

[storm flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure moth]

The sets are weak for rogue. You only gain 1-3% combined so no need to rush using catalyst to make 2 set

[soft void]

I can accumulate enough points to buy 1 dagger this week? Not sure what the point cap is.

[arctic socket]

Because chest is the worst tier piece

[spice spire]

360194

?

[glad cliff]

why always evenom before deathmark or kingsbane? is it because the 30% poison application?

[sterile torrent]

deathmark no? 😄

[spice spire]

394331

Could only find two more IDs

[sterile torrent]

its becuz i need the ID to make my plater track the debuff so i can see it lol.

[spice spire]

Yeah I just found those two outside of the one posted above

On mobile

So I’m rawdogging this

[tired gull]

i know something else you can rawdog

[spice spire]

[sterile torrent]

its impossible to find the debuff lol

[wanton spear]

i don't see it as an option because its not farmable but where would we rank imperfect ascendency sirum? i got a 610 one last night it seems to sim pretty strong

[novel star]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

umm i mean

its pretty annoying

[wanton spear]

main stat puzzlebox

[novel star]

it sims well or whatever but its just annoying to use

have to sit there and cast before cds

[wanton spear]

right, like puzzlebox lol

[novel star]

yea

[wanton spear]

xept this one takes you out of stealth when it finishes casting which is aids

[plucky thistle]

What to craft 2x Dawnthread Lining is for Raid and M+ or what is better for M+

[uneven plume]

Can we slap Dawnthread Lining on boots?

[crystal delta]

quick question 😄 does anything about rota change massively from assa aoe to assa ST in raid? except for not using fan of knives i guess?

[wanton spear]

after getting crit high enough fatebound seems to be doing good damage at least until they fix ds

[bitter saddle]

How high crit u got?

[royal lantern]

Brother

the ER bug is 1% max lol

[wanton spear]

currently at 30 crit and 35 mastery

[royal lantern]

and crit doesnt change shit on fatebound suddenly lol

[icy girder]

sim bait?

[fickle lotus]

your mastery is so fucking low wtf

[royal lantern]

why the fk do people talk about stats

[wanton spear]

yea idk i have mastery on like almost every peice

[royal lantern]

it literally doesbt Matter

[uneven plume]

the best trinket is transmitter hands down

[manic pebble]

can you use carved harbinger crest to craft stuff or is it just for upgrading gears only?

[uneven plume]

Mini game lover

[cobalt sphinx]

no carved

it is kinda odd it skips

that's kinda the dry spark step

[manic pebble]

shame

[cobalt sphinx]

weathered 590, spark 606, spark+runed 619, spark+gilded 636

i think

[crystal delta]

quick question 😄 does anything about rota change massively from assa aoe to assa ST in raid? except for not using fan of knives i guess?

[novel star]

yes

the whole thing is different because you dont care about energy anymore

i mean the mentality is the same kinda because you prioritize bleeds over everything else

but its not really the same

[raven panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2heXFCeZMiYkXqfhDxtZY3
ugggggg

[novel star]

just read guide

_<

[modest portal]

Question for yall that I can't seem to find the answer via a google:

Do you know how the hitboxes work for player characters? Is it a "dot/pixel" under your character like in ffxiv? Or is it larger like a circle around shoulder width, etc?

[spice spire]

Larger iirc

[modest portal]

I was thinking of throwing a dot under my character's hitbox as a weakaura or something so I could help identify where exactly I'm standing, but wasn't sure how to position based upon it

[worldly sail]

ive been using a crosshair weakaura ever since painsmith

obviously doesn't always line up if camera isn't looking top-down, but it can be useful

[raven panther]

For Caustic spatter and incriminate carnage, how is calculate the mobs around, does it depend on the player position, or it depend on the mob you target ?

[spice spire]

Mob

[quaint dragon]

mob you target

When are the thistle tea changes coming?

[modest portal]

Not for a while, until 11.0.5

[spice spire]

11.0.5 (November)

[modest portal]

like november or something

[worldly sail]

is 11.0.5 the 20th anniversary patch?

[modest portal]

ye

[golden loom]

first tier 8 bountyful... might have forgot about needing a key should alteast let rogues use lockpicking for something!

[modest portal]

right? Locked message should be red red if you can't pick it at all

[hoary fulcrum]

any tips for silken court? Do we try and hold kingsbane for the damage amp? I think first charge happens a minute or so in.

I havent gotten to the fight yet, but I imagine we hold for amp

[fickle lotus]

check if you have any of the fragments you can combine

[golden loom]

was 78 short sadly

[cobalt sphinx]

that is a huge difference between ds and fb

[willow cloud]

I couldn't get the timing to make sense, just sent on pull.

I think the caustic from stack on pull outweighs holding for debuff

[vivid crown]

why radiant over depths on your weapons?

[echo condor]

got 5 trinkets and 3 cloak from my 8 bounty delves, can we get other pieces of gear like gloves/helms/pants?

[raven panther]

Because depth where 200k po when I looked lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

ds and fb are only 1.5% apart for me and 6% apart for you

[vivid crown]

oh damn ok haha. t2 depth was only 15k on my server

[runic hinge]

ive gotten bracers a ring and gloves

[raven panther]

Rip 🙃

[nova aspen]

yep ive gotten boot leg wrist

also like 4 cloaks

[fickle lotus]

I've ran 12 boutiful tier 8 delves and only gotten 1 map 😭

[plucky thistle]

I have 2x Emb but only one buff ?

[grim jay]

jump down a building

[vivid crown]

ive gotten shoulders, cloak, 2 weapons, and i think 2 trinkets. had at least 1 bountiful delve that gave me nothing but a radiant echo which feels fucking awful

[sturdy stirrup]

lol

[crystal delta]

i guess i can be considered lucky?

getting this from treasure map in delve

[echo condor]

bruh

[plucky thistle]

How to fix it?

[fickle lotus]

Does anyone have handy how many crests you get per heroic boss kill?

[plucky thistle]

Ok fixed...

[grim jay]

I told you how

[elfin valley]

Ik this is probably just a me issue but I wanted to check is anyone else having issues on the 2nd boss (heroic specifically) where they were being broken out of stealth or hit immediately as pull started?

[runic hinge]

toxic

[willow cloud]

Yeah the RNG map drops are not good

[cobalt sphinx]

are you walking through the sludge

[bleak lodge]

yea had that happen

[nova aspen]

dont stand too close to him on pull

he will melee u

[elfin valley]

I was max melee range but still eating shit even when I didn't pull

Idk if it was just bc the tank wasn't close enough or if it was something else

I'll try to be outta range initially and get in there

[signal flame]

!tier

[elfin valley]

Thanks lads

[nova aspen]

it happened to me

i was inching closer to him right before pull

then he just turned and whacked me

[elfin valley]

Mans is viscous

[sullen hearth]

@balmy condor Yo what we macroing coldblood too if we playing fatebound in AoE/M+

[keen nacelle]

For our rotation, how much do you "push" to proc Darkest night? if you're one CP away to proc it, do you still cast a CP generator or try to let it happen "naturaly"

[haughty lantern]

so....how we feeling about the rogue changes on the horizon?

@normal mist

[lethal silo]

there is a self-highlight under options->combat

[junior sandal]

/WA

/wa

[dapper cradle]

pog as fuck

[tired gull]

!wa

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[junior sandal]

Appreciate you

[royal lantern]

you force it

[normal mist]

I feel exactly how the pins say

Aka i feel pretty good

[haughty lantern]

so in theory/writing, shiv into 5 combo points SHOULD cause envenom to proc DN (since it acts like we're spending 7?)

hopefully?

[dense talon]

Dumb question of the day: Do we use vanish immediately after the opening squence to apply improved garrote or hold it to for the next set rupture?

[brisk laurel]

what's DN

[fiery robin]

deez nerfs

[haughty lantern]

[iron valve]

who knows. another way to read it is that you still need to use a finisher at max combo points (7), you'll just get the benefit of a 9cp critvenom

[haughty lantern]

HMMMMMMMM

[surreal wedge]

which poisons are good for M+ and raid?

[lost sparrow]

should i craft Rune-Branded Armbands or Rune-Branded Waistband first?

[haughty lantern]

we get to use all of them by default anyway so

does it matter?

(afaik all of our builds dragon tempered blades)

[nova aspen]

numbing for dungeons, atrophic for raid

[surreal wedge]

and the ones that deal damage?

deadly or instant?

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[echo heath]

You should be running dragon tempered blades which means you use both

[hexed nebula]

is deathstalker mark still bugged with multiple rogues?

aka first rogue only gets the mark

[tawny geyser]

Guys, how's Adrenal Surge Clasp for us?

[haughty lantern]

based on the name alone it sounds like an outlaw embelish

[brisk laurel]

what's the list of bis trinkets/gear pre raid?

[somber basin]

So what’s the deal with the 610 PvP dagger? How do we go about getting it?

[brisk laurel]

or if you're m+/Delves only?

[haughty lantern]

for now it's still bugged afaik

ideally the new rogue changes are going to fix it

[normal mist]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[normal mist]

fuck im late

[gray olive]

Hey, i'm new here, wish to know about the Breakpoint status, how much % its the best way for us ( ASSA ) i see in someplace about 12% haste, but didnt know about crit and mastery

[normal mist]

no breakpoints

[dense talon]

little help here. 🙏🏼

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hexed nebula]

gotcha ty

[normal mist]

Did you read the guide? wowhead per example

[haughty lantern]

bold of you to assume rogues can read, most thieves cant

(Preparing myself to get booed out of the discord)

[brisk laurel]

is there a list of bis gear options and trinkets from m0/delves ?

[willow mica]

I mean you are not wrong

[fiery robin]

who needs to read if we can just pick pockets to make a living

[brisk laurel]

I am not currently a raider so was curious

my guild's teams are full

[nova aspen]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[haughty lantern]

yes*

go to wowhead, go to assassin rogue, go to gear, click the m+ tab

anything you can get from m+ heroic/myth track should in theory apply to vet track stuff too

otherwise

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[brisk laurel]

every time in the past that I've tried simming things it's been a major pita. i'm not a min/maxxer just curious where my time is best spent

[willow mica]

Droptimizer is best friend

[haughty lantern]

^^^^

[last oasis]

does sin rogue or sub rogue have better funnel / prio dmg in m+?

[haughty lantern]

if my gremlin adhd ass can learn how to use raidbots, most people can

[verbal sky]

!trinket

!trinkets

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-the-legend-of-vox-machina-trinket-vexahlia-vexahlia-vessar-gif-24707801

trinket

[faint path]

Why dawnthread is not stacking?

[cobalt sphinx]

Drop below 80 to fix

Are you guys simming for more on sub? Sub is about 23k below sin for me

[haughty lantern]

i refuse to bottom so i don't look at sub

[faint path]

Do I have to do it everytime *

[haughty lantern]

it should just naturally happen when you enter combat

(if you're telling me you never drop below 80% health you have a much bigger issue on your hands)

[faint path]

true tho 😄

[shadow tulip]

What do we think about the update on the Tea change? "Cooldown changed from 1 min recharge to None - Charges changed from 3 Charges to None" What does this mean exactly?

[severe sparrow]

wait is this true? i thought they said this was fixed a while back, before the raid opened?

[jaunty warren]

Where is this from ?

[cobalt sphinx]

It means you have infinite tea

[haughty lantern]

critical roll animated (on prime video)

[cobalt sphinx]

Infinite energy

[haughty lantern]

UNLIMITED POWER

[velvet vault]

guy i already crafted a dagger for my rogue
should i craft 1 more dagger for offhand with spark ?

[tired gull]

no

[cobalt sphinx]

Or you’re reading too deep into datamined text

[shadow tulip]

But Sang blades never active in turn

[velvet vault]

or craft necklece or cloak
cuz i already have heroic bracer

[crystal delta]

Any major changes from m+ rota to raid rota?

except for FoK

[velvet vault]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[jaunty warren]

Thanks Summerhowl

[fickle lotus]

just checked it's fixed

[haughty lantern]

????

[shadow tulip]

How much am I inting myself if I don't want FoK on ST opener? Feels so alien to me

[south lava]

empowering crystal or flayed toxin which is better trinket guys

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[runic hinge]

if you are talented into VV you don't need to Single target fok

[fickle lotus]

i just hit dummy with a friend and both of our marks persisted

so it's fixed

[severe sparrow]

i mean this is just feels but i didnt feel like my mark was fucked up in raid on tuesday and we have a 2nd rogue

now, i didnt look at the logs or anything to check

[tired gull]

mark worked fine with 2 rogues in my raid last night

[empty timber]

fucking game i got the same 4 slots in bountiful delves than yesterday

[shadow tulip]

RIP

[robust nacelle]

How does the opener change in cleave?

When should I apply bleeds to the other target in the opener?

[jolly bolt]

Has it been established what best crafts are?

[tired gull]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[urban mantle]

Guys. I am missing something. I see a lot of rogues doing tons of damage with sudden demise but I never do too much damage with these talents, my damage is all about envenom and crimson tempest. Any tips to increase the damage of my sudden demise? This is my last fight and my talents

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[royal lantern]

its overall a minor thing, if you REALLY dont wanna do it, its allright

[raven panther]

And it's not even optimized depending of the talent you take it's a loss

[iron valve]

sudden demise damage is generally inflated against things that die fast (procs quick with a lot of time still on your bleeds)
don't worry about its damage, it's not worth trying to do anything to optimize around SD damage. it's just there to recoup some dots that would otherwise be wasted. plus the talent increases all your bleed damage

[robust nacelle]

Should I apply my bleeds to the secondary target in cleave straight away or finish the opener on my first target?

[errant night]

guys, i have one question. i don't really know as i had played on "private" servers before starting tww. is the current max ilvl (635 or smth) going to be "updated" as the new patches come out? so is it going to be like 735 in the end of tww?

[steel jay]

increases every season

[errant night]

got it. for how much?

[spice surge]

Depends

[normal mist]

Every raid tier the number goes up

[steel jay]

that i cant answer

[normal mist]

by whatever they decided

[haughty lantern]

this raid ilvl be doing numbers (it keeps going up)

[eternal lantern]

!wa

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[errant night]

i suppose we are going to have like 10mil hp at the end

[normal mist]

maybe

[haughty lantern]

the tanks probably will

[normal mist]

then we get another Stats squish

and back down we go

[errant night]

the tanks already have around 8-9 mil

[eternal lantern]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[storm zinc]

!wa

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[haughty lantern]

GOOD LORD i need a better stabber

[uneven plume]

that beautiful transmitter trinket

How do I add transmitter icon next to my name

[haughty flicker]

[haughty lantern]

reminds me of that one mission from borderlands 2

or team chaotix story from sonic heroes.....

YEAH GO COLLECT 10 HERMIT CRABS

[uneven plume]

ill do backflips for 12k+ agility for 20 seconds

[haughty lantern]

i may have gotten NOTHING from raid (we got all the way up to ansurek) but i suppose the cosmos deemed my dps worthy as they gave me 2 consolation prizes: our 2 best trinkets at veteran level.

[shut owl]

So with ST deathstalker in raid, are we still handling energy deficits like in S3/4 DF, where we kinda chill on the gas and pool a little right before cds come up?

[haughty lantern]

violate 3 of the geneva suggestions conventions for a 12k agi buff for 15 seconds

[haughty lantern]

i THINK so. that's how i've been playing and i am doing good numbers (i think)

Sin rogue cannot step on the gas for the full fight, you gotta like alternate between a sprint and a marathon.

GRANTED i am still very much learning, get a second opinion

[cobalt sphinx]

i was the only rogue in the raid so i got both daggers

[orchid elk]

!wa

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[shut owl]

yeah, way out of practice but gave it a go on some dummies and was within 10% of my sim so I reckon thats a decent starting spot. Was definitely on the "I don't think I have enough energy/tea for this to be an 8 minute fight" though at the end lol

[cobalt sphinx]

you can just craft a dagger if you got the 150k gold

[uneven plume]

anfd get the pvp one for OH

[haughty lantern]

not if i spent both my sparks already

[uneven plume]

it takes on BG win i think

one*

[haughty lantern]

explain plz (I am like 1000% ignorant on how pvp works and gear is awarded)

[shut owl]

My raid this week had 4 daggers drop and 0 rogues because I went DK, and suddenly the 2 dk's who wanted to go rogue went DK instead. So I might be out of retirement

[uneven plume]

i think you get a quest that give crafting for pvp

then you BS craft wep

[azure owl]

is it a common issue to be kicked from stealth on start of bosses? Seems to happen way too often

[uneven plume]

its 610 static

[shut owl]

inb4 we never see another dagger again

[cobalt sphinx]

do epic bgs or skirms or something until you get an artisan's consortium invitation for 9 gladiator's heraldries and then craft a 610 work orde

[haughty lantern]

yeeeaaaaahhhhh our stealth is kinda fragile

stub your toe? there goes stealth. get ticked one time on some random boss aoe? there goes stealth.

[uneven plume]

Mists maze is notoroius for randomly knocking me out of stealth

I have no idea why

[slim compass]

I've pretty much surrendered to the fact that I'll never be #1 on dps/damage but none of that matters as long as we clear the raid and I'm not causing wipes

[azure owl]

that sucks for the mark ;/

[haughty lantern]

take solace in the fact that you bring a raid wide damage reduction

[shut owl]

much worse for mark are spiders that "burrow away" instead of dying, taking your mark with them permanently.

[haughty lantern]

hate this. GET BACK HERE YOU 8 LEGGED BITCH

[cobalt sphinx]

rogue can top on boss damage

[uneven plume]

i can attest to this

[haughty lantern]

same here

[uneven plume]

came in second for the egg fight in overall but 110k higher than second prio boss damage

[haughty lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mzpgVaY1DbqBfQn7

[rotund oak]

deathstalker has the potential to be there

[slim compass]

not arguing that, but how much work does it take to get there?

[rotund oak]

everything takes work man

[wide ferry]

God damm every piece of delve shit i get is vers haste

[rotund oak]

u cant afk top dam

[slim compass]

I guess I'm just getting old and bitter lol

[uneven plume]

time to reroll outlaw

[haughty lantern]

TIME TO GO OUTLAW

[rotund oak]

ignore stats and go for ilvl first,just sayin'

[cobalt sphinx]

sin was fun in the normal raid, just sit boss and use your cooldowns on cooldown

[storm hedge]

I had 14k vers and 4-7k of other stats when doing normal yesterday. still got some 99 parses. stats don't matter on assa

[slim compass]

not so much the actual fight as in the button pushing, but all the prep

the gearing....just seems so much harder these days

[cobalt sphinx]

oh yeah you need to delve and that shit is not fun solo

[uneven plume]

its hard atm cause we all just started fresh

[haughty lantern]

that's like every class. Want to top the meters? gotta put in the work, get the gear, learn the fights, learn your rotation, do your homework. etc

[haughty lantern]

make friends with a blood dk. Easiest tier 8 delves of my life.

[cobalt sphinx]

and having hundreds of thousands of gold for crafted gear is very helpful too

[uneven plume]

you can start selling mythic carries

[haughty lantern]

they sit there and get whacked, i omae wa mou shinderiu and everything falls over

[wide ferry]

im simming and even 10 ilevels higher it sims lower fml

[fathom cove]

can someone explain why the BIS list shows different boots?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can work a shift at mcdonalds and earn like 6 tokens

[sturdy stirrup]

are there any wa that follows clear the witness buff

[haughty lantern]

i......bruh do you not know how to read

what does the yellow text say above each list

[normal mist]

Because Bis = ilvl + sims

There is no REAL bis

[runic hinge]

one is from raid one is overall

[fathom cove]

both drop from the raid, how does the BiS differ?

[normal mist]

Its all about ilvl

[dense cove]

Anyone feel like their fan of knives only hits 1 target sometimes?

[runic hinge]

also the guide writer just picks whatever

[uneven plume]

your BiS boots can be the crafted ones too

[slim compass]

No really I get that. I've played since Vanilla and fought through the 40 man raid prep, farming hours for herbs to make flasks, and getting 0.5 gear to get to t1...I guess I'm just venting

[runic hinge]

cause bis is whatever

[cobalt sphinx]

probably a mistake because nobody cares about bis boots

[normal mist]

^

[vapid geode]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slim compass]

that and I'm broke af so I can't even craft anything

[vapid geode]

is Ascencion better than vivacity because its always up?

[haughty lantern]

go mining and sell bismuth. rocks are selling like a god church rn

[slim compass]

oh? I have a lot of that

I'll check it out, ty

[vapid geode]

or honor farm and sell viscious bloodstones 2500 honor for about 14k gold each

[ashen topaz]

yeah honor farm seems nice

[cobalt sphinx]

ascension has 80 seconds of ramp so it is dog for any content outside of raid

[slim compass]

my days of pvp are over. I tilt way too easy and I'm too old for the stress lol

[haughty lantern]

this. i feel like we need a command just to tell people to go double DTL and explain why

[cobalt sphinx]

well a lot of people like to min/max the raid encounters, ascension still has its place

[normal mist]

we do

[jaunty matrix]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

there it is

[haughty lantern]

Then we need to spam that shit more

[normal mist]

Why?

[storm hedge]

Do the stacks drop on some bosses cause of downtime? Like intermission on 1st boss, intermission on Ansurek etc.

[normal mist]

in the end people will craft whatever people on WCL use

[cobalt sphinx]

No i think it is just combat

You will always be in combat

[haughty lantern]

Yeah u right

(What does WCL stand for again?)

[storm hedge]

oh yea it is actually time spent in combat... For some reason I thought you get stacks by attacking.

[normal mist]

Top 1 is using X thing that is extremely shit because he wanted to test, and the embelishment he's using is LITERALLY doing nothing but he played extremely well and got top1?

• Everyone is gonna craft whatever he has

WarCraftLogs

[short fox]

Whats the name of the map that you can loot in a bountiful delve

[storm hedge]

Delver's bounty

[short fox]

ty

[storm hedge]

or mby not but definitely something Delver's

[jaunty basin]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[worn badger]

any one had success with Kiss of death trinket ?

[true thistle]

!spark

what are we going to spend sparks on?

[cobalt sphinx]

is it really 2.5 min cd

that's kinda doomed

[true thistle]

looking for the pins

[cobalt sphinx]

well depends on fight length

[trail mica]

!wa

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[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you'd miss a kingsbane almost no matter what if you played for 2.5m cds

you can death mark at 0, 2, 4 or 0, 2.5, 5 in a 6 minute fight and it's okay but you will be losing kingsbanes in that case so 2.5 min trinket is dog

not usable on a 1 minute class

[storm hedge]

if it's a 5 minute fight you could just hold the trinket until 4 minutes and don't lose anything...

[true thistle]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah but in that case your trinket might be severely underbudget

[storm hedge]

Yea wasn't saying it's good

[thick stratus]

guys in double target we fon or mutilate?

[normal mist]

muti

fok 3+

[cobalt sphinx]

that's probably the best way to use it, or send it with your 3 minute kingsbane

[fallow kindle]

so with ER being changed in the patch in a couple of months, are we just resigning to ER not working with marks being intentional?

[cobalt sphinx]

i'm gonna see if i can check what simcraft does with it

[storm hedge]

Simcraft might not be optimized for that.

[cobalt sphinx]

it uses it at :09 and 4:14

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sr9LKsFCS2SXL898uboPo5

seems pretty good actually

not even a major dps loss vs the ascendancy serum

[storm hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

Well on 5 minutes it's not a big loss

[cobalt sphinx]

simcraft forgot how to use the ascendancy serum though

[storm hedge]

I'm glad, means I don't have to use it cause it won't oversim other trinkets

[vapid geode]

how are your guys assa m+ stats looking rn?

[cobalt sphinx]

it is waiting for its own global again which is the incorrect implementation, and it's used 5 seconds before deathmark and 7 seconds before kingsbane which is a lil sussy

[vapid geode]

i feel like im low on crit mast but im not sure whats a good amount to compare to

[storm hedge]

shoudn't matter

20 sec effect + 1 sec cast

[storm hedge]

literraly doesn't matter

[cobalt sphinx]

oh true so its effect should occur 4 seconds before deathmark and 6 seconds before kingsbane

[storm hedge]

you could have 1000 crit and you're ok

[storm hedge]

so it actually linesup perfectly. (the cast might be 1.5 i dont remember)

[cobalt sphinx]

it should still be used simultaneously with the 4 second slice and dice either way

[dense cove]

Any rhyme or reason why if I’m fighting a pack of 4+ mobs sometimes I only get one CP from FoK while other times I get 4 or more?

[spice surge]

It gives 1 additional cp per crit

[storm hedge]

You get CPs from crits

[spice surge]

So if you dont crit

[dense cove]

Does it only award CPs on the targets it crits against?

[spice surge]

You dont get more cp

[dense cove]

Ahhh

[spice surge]

Yes

1+ 1 per crit

[dense cove]

But if I use fan of knives against 4 targets and none of the hits crit would I still get 4 CP?

[waxen oyster]

no

[storm hedge]

no only 1

[dense cove]

Ok gotcha!

[hexed frost]

Welcome to assa

I spammed FoK 4 times and rng messed up so bad that each time I got only 1 CP

[dense cove]

So is it a combo point for every target it crits? Or is it when you crit your main target it gives multiple combo points for the other mobs hit as well?

I’m guessing the first one

[hexed frost]

Then on another pull I got full 7 CPs back to back 5 times and felt like a sub rogue in uldir

[hexed frost]

Yes each hit

[royal lantern]

FIRST KB PARRY OF THE EXPANSION

i love my tankss

[hexed frost]

Mine got parried 3 times atleast

[tawny geyser]

Shadowstep boys 😄

[dapper fox]

Do i only crit with 7 Combo points when darkest night is up or just 5+`?

[fleet pagoda]

darkest night needs to be activated with 7 CP, if you envenom with 5cp it'll be a normal envenom with normal crit chance

[dapper fox]

thx

[worn badger]

thanks! gratefull someone is smarter than me

[runic hinge]

more like a bug they don't know how to fix

[lime crypt]

i get that a lot on second boss in raid

[runic hinge]

they probably want it to work but they can't get the code to recognize the er combo points as max

[stark musk]

How is sin rogue actually? Also, is rogue much ilvl dependant? I am still level 78 and seems like sometimes I am getting outdps in pulls

[worn badger]

i feel like im gonna get hit with a comet or something soon. ive gotten actually different slot upgrade pieces from each bounty and i got regicide and egg sack on first kills of the season.

[royal lantern]

3rd bossss cus our tankss where fucky up positioning all the time and spinned the boss like crazy

and ffs my S key iss broken

always double types it

[lime crypt]

xddd

[runic hinge]

ssssssssssssnake

[lime crypt]

you are backpaddling too much ingame

[fallow kindle]

I feel like the spec would flow waaay better with it functional, and likely a chunky throughput increase

is a shame

[runic hinge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[worn badger]

rogues arnt allowed to be functional =/ they stopped knowing what to really do with us once other classes could match our dps

[fleet pagoda]

tuning deals with the latter but yeah it feels a bit awkward. like makin a pb&j without the peanut butter

[wide dome]

https://gyazo.com/7c030e79da829dc17addd1ff0423b0fa

https://gyazo.com/780db223d90a111c4dd1e72ca9aa6e78

Is this reason enough to just start running sub?

[normal mist]

Can you play sub optimaly?

[wide dome]

Optimaly, probably not quite. But played it a lot last xpac

[lime crypt]

man playing with no range in m+ feels so bad

[arctic socket]

My outlaw sims higher but fuck playing outlaw

[wide dome]

but i mean thats a big difference

[cobalt sphinx]

for what content

[normal mist]

also what are you simmin

[wide dome]

raid

[fleet pagoda]

what should I do if I can't play anything optimally?

[normal mist]

raid with caustic?

[bitter saddle]

how do i sim myself?

[cobalt sphinx]

that's not a raid build for sin is it

[arctic socket]

Your sim is low

[wide dome]

that might have been my m+ spec one sec

[cobalt sphinx]

what dat

[normal mist]

LOL

[indigo mulch]

Oh

[wide dome]

one sec one sec

[indigo mulch]

yeah, thats a cleave build isn't it?

[normal mist]

My man out here hating the spec

[wide dome]

do i sim as patchwerk?

[normal mist]

yes

[fleet pagoda]

we've all done it tbf lol

[cobalt sphinx]

my sin sims 30k above sub, both on raid st

[bitter saddle]

!sim

[normal mist]

hating the spec?

[bitter saddle]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[arctic socket]

I wanna know why his sim damage is so low

[indigo mulch]

I only hate quake cause he keeps calling me old.

[cobalt sphinx]

he has crimson tempest and sudden demise

[swift dagger]

coz hes running shit like crimson tempest

[arctic socket]

Even for sub

[fleet pagoda]

simmed ourselves to randomly find we're down like 15% st and go 🤔

[normal mist]

His take was "why should i stay assa if i sim way more as sub"

[arctic socket]

Won’t lie tho

[wide dome]

^ yeah i just accidentally simmed my assa in my m+ spec

[arctic socket]

Some of the bosses

[fleet pagoda]

yeah... and it was a function of simming his dungeon build

[wide dome]

its simming now one sec boys

[arctic socket]

Fatebound might be better

[cobalt sphinx]

sub is probably better for raid still though, their 4set is apparently really good

[bitter saddle]

can someone link where i can sim pls

[normal mist]

raidbots.com

[wide dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvzzqKr7RDf7FpbxvBrHUc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vYUvtzvQUf62vtD7oAuq46

Ahh okay that makes a big difference now.

[indigo mulch]

[wide dome]

😛

lol

I was freaking out for a sec i was like how is it that much diff no way

[normal mist]

Do you have your higher ILVL dagger in the off hand?

[wide dome]

https://gyazo.com/65da0cf99157b0860ff6a7d8bf0d94be

yessir

[normal mist]

change

[willow mica]

Why do you hate yourself

[cobalt sphinx]

[scenic nacelle]

[hexed frost]

Sub player inguess

[fleet pagoda]

[wide dome]

higher ilvl daggy always MH?

[normal mist]

ALWAYS

yes

[willow mica]

"Why is my ass damage low"

[wide dome]

😮

[normal mist]

Thats like that for EVERY class in the game probably

[wide dome]

whats the science behind that again?

[scenic nacelle]

[normal mist]

oh boy

[willow mica]

Your abilities use your main hand

thats the science

[scenic nacelle]

your abilities scale off your MH

^

[wide dome]

omg

im so embarassed

[willow mica]

me too

[wide dome]

ive been bottom dps all normal/heroic

[willow mica]

lol

[wide dome]

we raid tues/weds

not good man

omg

haha

What would I do without you guys. You guys are great

[wanton mortar]

some stuff happened kek

[faint path]

is it single?

[normal mist]

no

married

[normal mist]

sim again

[wide dome]

If you scroll up a bit I messed up. I ran it as my assa m+ build, not raid build

I will now

[wide dome]

1 sec

[willow cloud]

yay heroic void reaper trinket

[faint path]

Ye I know that's why I was gonna say that 😄

[high ice]

So what is going on to make outlaw outshine sin now?

[dim rune]

bit of a nooby question but how should one apply empowered (garrote + rupture) to a big group, do people just tab and hope for an unapplied target or is there some sweet macro for this?

[normal mist]

pog!!

[normal mist]

you just garrote the same target twice

and rupture twice

[high ice]

Gratz!

[willow mica]

Spam it on the same target 😄

[normal mist]

It has smart casting

[dim rune]

oh so it automatically spreads to unbled targets

fantastic, thanks ppl

[normal mist]

Yesn't

the first cast

you apply 3

[willow mica]

You technically are not doing it optimally since the target will get an overwrite, loosing 1/3 apps

[wide dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sz8t7SSD5ViLopWq59JYF1

it went up

[normal mist]

the second, since you're not trying to choose a new target not garroted/ruptured, you'll apply 1 stack to your target, and 2 new ones

[high ice]

Any chance sin pulls ahead for mythic raid or we think raid will be outlaws domain?

[tender cedar]

why is your offhand 610 and mh 606 or is it wrong in raidbots?

nvm

[wide dome]

Royal just helped me fix that haha

[tender cedar]

just saw u updated it was to slow 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8imYaNsaV1LV9XsJ3r1Kx

[willow mica]

But double applying to your primary target you plan on cleaving off of anyway for caustic isnt too much of a loss imo

[woven torrent]

can i fok in silken court when going for generation? instead of mutilate ?

do i have to rap uptime on both ?

[wide dome]

how is your dps so much higher? tier?

[woven torrent]

when going with the aoe st

[cobalt sphinx]

i think only with clear the witness buff

[normal mist]

Ryan

[cobalt sphinx]

you do want garrote and rupture on both targets though afaik

[normal mist]

your build is still wrong

[jagged eagle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[west crown]

The 11.0.5 are a utility nerf for us right? Don’t see how any of it is a buff unless the deeper stratagem is more than just a tooltip change

[woven torrent]

Ok thanks !

[wide dome]

It is?

[normal mist]

remove this

[wide dome]

which one should I be using?

[normal mist]

and get 2 points in lethality

[tender cedar]

check my build maybe

and sim again

[normal mist]

you also could change a talent there

[keen viper]

What talents you play for raid ? single target ones?

[spice surge]

12 seconds of improved garrote for iron wire

[tender cedar]

me? which one?

[normal mist]

Are you using the non imp garrote build?

[tender cedar]

i have ss if u mean that

[main kindle]

how much haste should i be aiming for, 2 mins into a fight im energy starved, got 6% haste, stat weights still recommending more crit/mast

[novel dragon]

Why tf do so many high parsing sin rogues go Rushed Setup instead of one of the echoing reprimand choice talents???

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

you could test dashing scoundrel and check if it goes up @tender cedar

[wide dome]

i changed that talent, gonna sim again.

[novel dragon]

it makes no sense- how does an energy utility talent for abilities you will never use in ST perform better than a literal dps talent?

[tender cedar]

thats a point actually

[novel dragon]

is everyone just copying some build out there that's wrong?

[tender cedar]

i will sim that

[cobalt sphinx]

it's also improved poisons over imp garrote right

[wide dome]

do you have tier?

[normal mist]

Wowhead for me mainly

[cobalt sphinx]

oh wait you said that

[wide dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8GkvEvFbuF1NpJWN16pdn

i changed that talent

[normal mist]

Up you go rogue brother

[willow mica]

We must find 2,301 dps

[wide dome]

😄

[normal mist]

ahahah

[wide dome]

I have 1 tier piece, I havent used cata yet

[cobalt sphinx]

do you have enchants

[wide dome]

Not yet

[normal mist]

Theres still something i dont understand

[wide dome]

Whats up?

[delicate imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7LGVmh361uXigrX7szf7mG

[normal mist]

either im simmin myself wrong

or idk why my sim shows higher than yours

[willow mica]

When I grow up...

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1gPbp84QH5TT8KwdTeq754

[tender cedar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6twk7Kee45toDJPJioJB51

[wide dome]

Hmm... wtf

[normal mist]

up you go too brother

[tender cedar]

5k dps actually

[wide dome]

lol..

[delicate imp]

pretty sure i saw someone say outlaw was simming 1 mil + already though

[normal mist]

yeah

they doing good

[wide dome]

Should I just copy your talents exactly? is something wrong?

or phexz's?

[indigo mulch]

That bloodbound horror just stings in the eyes :C

[delicate imp]

is that 1 mil with tier or no

[indigo mulch]

[normal mist]

yeah copy mine

[willow mica]

Outlaw sims sus, 100% uptime not likely gonna happen

lol

[normal mist]

and resim

[wide dome]

one moment sir

[cobalt sphinx]

ayy is running a weird build too

[waxen oyster]

having any wep enchants

[worn badger]

wtf. i really am gonna die this week. im 8/8 on getting actuall upgrades from my bounifusl

[normal mist]

remove ER capstone, put in lethality x2

[waxen oyster]

is that norm?

[cobalt sphinx]

how do you decide between vv or not on st

[indigo mulch]

lmao yeh

[normal mist]

i dont

i just VV

[wide dome]

Any chance you can send me that talent string? Cant find a copy button on your raidbots link

[waxen oyster]

i accidentally tried to use tempered to prepot on norm bloodbound

so i had to start fight with no dsm

still was 728k surprisingly

day 1

[ornate pier]

should i macro cold blood when playing hand of fate to envenom and dont care at all ?

[indigo mulch]

Well, i had no DSM on bloodbound and i was just running around 24/7 😄

[cobalt sphinx]

it should just be the wowhead one

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhZmhZAAAAAAY2glZAAAAAAottZmhZmxYmZWmtZGjZwwMzMmZz2YGgNzyADYJYZYCMsA

[normal mist]

I was actually going to copy it

yeah

its wowhead one

[wide dome]

I thought that was the one i had

my b

[cobalt sphinx]

he's been changing it

[wide dome]

ahhhh

[cobalt sphinx]

yours was probably right a couple weeks back

[normal mist]

Yep it was

it was changed recently

[wide dome]

gonna try simming now

[normal mist]

Up Ryan bro goes again

Calling it right now

[wide dome]

741/752 in que

i sure hope

[crude sequoia]

which ring would be first and second choice here?

[ornate pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[crude sequoia]

yooo lmao

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ant-gif-24107201

[normal mist]

The one that sims higher

[waxen oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[crude sequoia]

oh shit

thats a thing

[wide dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fPqXPwyf9GwFUiAQ37ScA5

[carmine shore]

that said, crit vers with lower ilvl is almost certainly the move to replace

[waxen oyster]

I mean the hole is just free stats

unless you broke asf and dont buy a gem

[agile wedge]

team, some people playing this and it seems to work properly

[worn badger]

im litteraly down to 12k gold =/

[agile wedge]

for me its simming within the margin of error

[wide dome]

Why am i still so much lower than you

[true thistle]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

no idea but

Let it be known

[willow mica]

enchants?

[normal mist]

that by the power of friendship

you went from

to

[waxen oyster]

he has weapon enchants

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

and that scroll trinket kinda shit?

[cobalt sphinx]

scroll trinket might not even be implemented

[worldly bridge]

Yoooo for some reason my plater doesnt show CT

[wide dome]

they make that big of a diff?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[cobalt sphinx]

wasn't even implemented when i checked it

[waxen oyster]

i was simming 800k before raid release

[worldly bridge]

Any ideas why ? Im bad with plater i usually load up a profile and get done but i struggle with CT now

[normal mist]

Our boy Ryan increased around 150k in 30 minutes

[waxen oyster]

wrong talents?

or something

[wide dome]

Thanks to @normal mist catching my mistakes

wrong talents

[willow mica]

Enchants can be like 80Kish, maybe more

so yeah, pretty big

[wide dome]

and i had a lower ilvl in my MH dagger

[agile wedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e8R6WY5RqWfWPkbBMQ5vWv

like this

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/the-war-within-guide the delve build here but with so tricky

[novel star]

i wanna join the sim party but i’m on mobile

[balmy condor]

as long as you have a way to avoid casting cold blood before/during deathmark until you have consumed edge case you can macro it to literally everything for all I care

[faint path]

What talent are u guys using for m0 atm ?

[novel star]

skardyns lol

[cobalt sphinx]

wowhead bleed and hybrid are both good

[novel star]

oh

talent not trinket

i should sleep

hybrid ds

[wide dome]

Authority of radiant power bis for both mh and oh?

[novel star]

ds feels fun now that mobs live

[agile wedge]

no it was just cheap

😄

[arctic socket]

Depths is bis by far

[willow mica]

Been running bleed mostly at the moment for M0. Mobs dying too fast still.

[novel star]

big mobs have been living kingsbane for me idk

maybe other dps afk

[wide dome]

ohhh which is our bis enchant?

[agile wedge]

look at whyspr guide

i dont know

[jaunty dew]

Be me, a raid leader for a mythic raiding guild, miss the first normal raid because of a business trip that couldn't be avoided, be the ONLY class in the roster that can use regicide and have this happen -

How did I sin so, how?

[quaint dragon]

btw guys u can craft double 610 daggers with pvp this week

[novel star]

sin haha

cause like

the channel

[novel star]

not really worf the gold imo

[jaunty dew]

ikr?

[novel star]

if ur rich i guess it’s fine

but offhand is like zdps

[quaint dragon]

is only 30k gold

[novel star]

getting t2 radiant power costs a third the gold and makes a 593 oh deal way more damage than the 610 without it

[fluid pumice]

12 keys no maps, my friend just got his third today

[willow mica]

Maps?

[novel star]

delvers bounty

rare consumable that makes ur next delve give an extra piece of gear

[willow mica]

oh what

[novel star]

i got a hero track helm from it

610

👌

[strange python]

hey if i want to do raid and m+, from reading wow head, it sounds like id choose bracer / belt as its not far behind raid embellishments, is that right? am i making any sense?