assassination

[wicked zodiac]

no one ?

[strange python]

you get mark from full combo point envenom

[wicked zodiac]

hmm

i think my english is not good enough to explan

[whole sand]

are you trying to say that on pull, you're losing stealth and can't open with ambush to get your mark started?

[wicked zodiac]

YESS

yes yes

you have that problem too ?

[whole sand]

i think people were saying earlier that there's a shaman totem bringing people out of stealth

i've not started raiding yet so i've not seen it myself

[wicked zodiac]

f

[whole sand]

but if that is happening you would just have to use vanish early to get it applied, its a bit of a dps loss but nothing else you can do

[wicked zodiac]

yea im using vanish on open

[raw cedar]

is there a bug that deathstalker does not trigger at all on the fight?

[novel star]

you can vanish a lot more freely now that the build doesnt take imp garrote

so its like a very small loss

[wicked zodiac]

hmm ok

[novel star]

u lose 1 mark of dmg i think

smth like that

[vocal cradle]

looking at the parses for rogues... i think we have been had and outlaw was the way to go the whole time lol

[balmy dome]

might be a dumb question but do you want to purely envenom during kingsbane?

and if so that means the goal going into kingsbane is to have a full rupture and garote up

[iron valve]

outlaw is stinky

[novel star]

important thing is 100% uptime

garroting outside pandemic to set it up and holding kingsbane for after a pandemic refresh are both bad i think

[balmy dome]

yeah yeah that makes sense

I guess I'm asking is it ok to garrote and/or rupture if it's going to expire while I have kingsbane rolling?

[novel star]

ya should be

i cant imagine delaying an envenom by 1 gcd is that huge

[balmy dome]

yeah just trying to figure out how to get the most out of my kingsbane haha

ty for the info!

[novel star]

better to ask a theorycrafter instead of a shitter(me) but my lil heart tells me youre fine and just press the button

https://tenor.com/view/australian-shepherd-dog-puppy-pup-shy-gif-5820106237821371189

[whole sand]

yeah i agree, (not the shitter part) especially after kingsbane got halved, you can hit max a lot quicker

[onyx gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's 11.0 Group
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Ceverion's Plater
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[novel star]

envenoms instant damage doesnt even do anything with kb stacks though right

just da buff

[spiral gale]

feel like I'm really energy starved. always have my bleeds up but I guess I'm spamming mut too quick?

[novel star]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

not having energy in ST is normal

you press envenom for buff uptime

dont mash it for the instant dmg

tldr

[spiral gale]

makes sense ty

[teal tinsel]

is it worth rushing 2 piece set, or am i better off waiting to catalyst a hero track piece?

[iron valve]

correct, though any ability cast can trigger a poison proc (and mutilate can proc twice) so spamming energy during kingsbane would be a minute increase

[spiral gale]

so envenom/garrote at 5+ CP and make sure envenom buff is always up?

[carmine shore]

the bigger thing that seems to impact my burst damage is not letting deathstalker's mark fall off for too long

you gotta get that thing right back on man

[novel star]

total dps loss when you include the downtime tank from having no energy after it ends tho right

[bitter crow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

yea

[iron valve]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel star]

used to just focus on bleed uptime and then mash (in like bfa XD) but nowadays envenom is a 3rd plate

[iron valve]

it's generally recommended to dump energy during cooldowns and pool outside of them

[young dust]

yes

happened tons to me as well

[raven night]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
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[young dust]

no macro whatsoever, no pots, trinkets, nothing

[shadow badger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
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[young dust]

just losing my stealth on pull

[spiral gale]

thx gamer

[novel star]

tru ig when u say MASH buttons im assuming u mean like using all ur teas for it and shit

which sounds scary

[carmine shore]

you can spam pretty hard inside DM KB without needing to do that typa shit yeah?

[young dust]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[novel star]

but prolly correct idunno im a dog

[novel star]

dm gives hella energy ya

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to use the iron wire nerf as an excuse to talent +0.5%dps instead of it

[willow cloud]

what do I do with my carved crests

[carmine shore]

send the carp outta them

[young dust]

anything, they're useless after this week, get good stuff to 603 or w/e

[spiral gale]

it's the valorstones that're more important yeah?

[carmine shore]

yes and no

[young dust]

not that much, but it would be good to start next week with 2k and a couple bags

not the end of the world if you don't, though

[spiral gale]

bags?

[fickle lotus]

!chart

[young dust]

some quests award you with "valor bags" that only get transformed to currency if you right click them

similar to caches

[spiral gale]

ahh I see

don't really have much that's worth upgrading but I'm capped on stones. I guess I'll upgrade harvester's edict I got from mythic earlier

or anub'ikkaj actually

[carmine shore]

if you're running m0s regulaly i can't see how you'd be capped?

[spiral gale]

[carmine shore]

i got a weapon, send on it, melted my stone count

trinkets, shoulders, all that stuff melts crests

[spiral gale]

yeah I got a dagger guess that's probably the big upgrade

[arctic socket]

Is depths enchant over tuned? Damage it does looks wild

[young dust]

probably intended, but yeah way over the others

[warped lily]

So what should I craft first

[fickle lotus]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

What ever pieces you need after raid / mythic

[spiral gale]

!gems

!enchants

hmm

[young dust]

yeah depends whether you're raiding or not. As long as we're doing fine progress in heroic this week, we'll save the sparks for after the raid

[arctic socket]

Was pretty happy with my raid tonight

Got a world 2nd most dps

[carmine shore]

max that big dam

[spiral gale]

just did. 606 now

[warped lily]

this dagger right?

[steel jay]

yes

[warped lily]

crit, mastery

right

[carmine shore]

am i overthinking how difficult the opener can be with mark falling off, restealthing optimally for improved garrote, shiv timing?

this thing used to be easy peasy but there can be a lot overlapping where 1 GCD feels a lot more punishing than it used to

[tawny pawn]

Guys many people are removing resounding clarity for rank 2 lethality

any opinions? or its just better?

[bitter badger]

is this only for ST or in dungeons as well?

[tawny pawn]

im talking about raid

[novel star]

nah we definitely just have a pretty long opener lol

but if u break down each part to understand why ur doing things in that order it makes more sense

[spiral gale]

so with 2 shivs now do we use the first immediately or what?

after kingsbane

[novel star]

you use the first one before kingsbane

[fleet pagoda]

last I knew lethality for DS, resounding for fatebound. maybe i'm out of the loop tho

[spiral gale]

ooo

[novel star]

deathmark -> shiv -> kb -> shiv at 8s kb

deathmark and shiv x2 have longer duration than kb

you overlap the entire kb with both of them

[slate crown]

!stats - for gems just do what the robot says stats are always shifting for every character

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fleet pagoda]

also alternatively you can just sim yourself

[slate crown]

!guide - you can find recommended enchants on wowhead but same deal, wowhead just comes from sims

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[south lava]

When do we use tea on single target

[fleet pagoda]

pair with shiv as long as you don't overcap energy or if you're about to cap tea charges

[novel star]

during shiv

yea

[gray flower]

its insane that Deathstalker's Mark is still so bugged. just disappears on single target encounters for no reason

raid is out and our spec doesnt work lol

[novel star]

are you ambushing after the opener

[gray flower]

itll happen like 3 full minutes into a raid figiht

just disappears

[novel star]

i know

[young dust]

i had DN and i didnt get the mark after 7cp envenom as well

[novel star]

can u answer the question

[gray flower]

i dont even know

am i supposed to or not supposed to

[novel star]

if you ambush to reapply mark and then consume DN buff with 7cp envenom while you have 1 mark from the ambush

your thing drops cause you dont get dn back

[fleet pagoda]

seems to happen for me when sending Darkest Night with one mark left, so if you can help it maybe spend a rupture or less than 7cp envenom there?

[south lava]

When the boss fights get longer i lose my dps alot on single target
Energy starve alot

[bitter badger]

the only time it disappears for me is when I have one mark left and darkest night is on

when I consumed it, it gone

[woven knoll]

thistle tea is moving to passive?

lmao

[novel star]

no theyre just making it auto consume a charge

[fleet pagoda]

it's still a button, just procs automatically under 30

[novel star]

the datamined notes dont matter

just read the bluepost ones

[woven knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-gif-24210192

[novel star]

it is pretty bad though yeah !

[young dust]

wait what

[novel star]

yes

this is now the 2nd worst dn bug after envenom sniping was patched

[south lava]

Which trinket is our bis
Arakara sac brood and skardyn grace?

[novel star]

worst worst is ER

[austere bramble]

so treacherous is bait right

[young dust]

no kidding these bugs make me wanna stick to fatebound for a while

[carmine shore]

i actually was overthinking a BIT, my WA doesn't have a pandemic glow for improved garrote to stop from promoting overwriting it early but i wasn't thinking of pandemicing the improved garrote

[novel star]

lots of people do the same

[hexed frost]

ER gone lesss goooooo

https://tenor.com/view/illidan-world-of-warcraft-twerk-illidan-dance-gif-23452811

[novel star]

i was doing that until m0s came out cause my main issues were the envenom bug and mob hp

but theyre still similar

[young dust]

where can i find all the bugs? !bugs seem outdated

[carmine shore]

i need to focus the most on extending shiv reapplying deathstalker's mark and have plenty of time to stealth garrote

[spiral gale]

so instead of fixing ER they just nuked it huh?

[novel star]

i mean

the new one is better arguably

the patch notes are kinda strangely written but it wont be an rng minigame anymore

just buffs the next 2 finishers

when u shiv

[carmine shore]

passive?

[fleet pagoda]

seems like a smart way to remove a button without removing the hypercharged combo points

[novel star]

yea, after shiv ur next 2 finishers act like they consumed +2 cp

its in the pins

[carmine shore]

one thing that is nice about ER right now is if you're energy starved its a really easy way to get out of a deficit

since you can easily extend envenom with little mutilate

[novel star]

it can end up doing that but its inherently unreliable

so idk

[carmine shore]

yeah ofc

[novel star]

i dont really mind

fuck ER that shit is actual cancer design

i will not miss any part of it

[balmy condor]

Why would you extend with a mutilate

How’s that work

[carmine shore]

i mean you don't have to build to 5 CP you get a bigger extend with minimal mutilates

[balmy condor]

I see

Yeah

[carmine shore]

keep the envenom train rolling, build back up the energy

[balmy condor]

ER definitely won’t have the impact anymore

Energy wise

But maybe more burst better idk

[novel star]

does it make 7p finishers deal 9p damage

lmao

[carmine shore]

9p damage lmao

[young dust]

you can already put that to the bug list

it will be answered in 6 months

[carmine shore]

i mean it better right, having to worry about not going over 5 would be uber cancer

[novel star]

either way if you were getting all 3 er procs on ur kingsbane envenoms and then a 5cp or whatever

[carmine shore]

that would be the worst thing of all time

[novel star]

its 3 7cp envs and 1 5cp

now its just guaranteed 4 7cps right

[gray horizon]

lets goooo

[novel star]

or more if it goes over 7

[fleet pagoda]

9cp Darkest Night Evenom with shiv, tea, and amp rolling

[novel star]

so not a big deal but infinitely more likely to have value

Type Shit

[carmine shore]

the way you can sky rocket with an ambush proc would mean they almost have to make 8p and 9p a thing

[novel star]

would be pretty based

but yea idk i love that change so much now that i understand it

literally 99% of my problem with ER was it not being guaranteed in burst windows

[carmine shore]

am i overthinking how awful it would be if it doesn't go over 7?

[grave blade]

Is new changes a buff or what. Someone tell me. I'm big dumb.

[novel star]

yes

[carmine shore]

every envenom over 5 would feel so awful

[young dust]

yeah dogshit rng

[novel star]

i mean not necessarily

its replacing ER which just guarantees 7cp

so

[young dust]

but youre still punishing the player for something you cant really control

[novel star]

if u got a 6cp itd still be a buff and a 7cp it i guess wastes the charge but like whatever

[carmine shore]

yeah but that can be like 5+ mutilates worth of CP

[young dust]

which is CP generation

[novel star]

ye true lot less than the other one tho

[carmine shore]

i prayge

[young dust]

design wise its weird to be a loss even though you didnt go above your CP

[carmine shore]

give me big darkest night envenom blizz plz

[novel star]

theres probably already an answer to this on ptr

but i dont want to log in and look at what it is

i played for like 30s to understand the patch note and went back to live

[young dust]

did they already announce bugfixes for current issues?

[spiral gale]

is there a better sim than droptimizer?

[carmine shore]

if you're at 6 CP with an ambush proc and darkest night with an almost maxed garrote do you suck it up and monch the garrote or waste the ambush

[haughty lantern]

i am pogging in my boots rn

[willow cloud]

runed crests I use for a craft, right?

[novel star]

sheesh

i hit 600 earlier from a delve map and also pogged

those things are crazy

hero track from an easy ass delve

[haughty lantern]

god i just need a better stabber

[novel star]

same

still have crafted 590 and (embarrassing) crafted 596 daggers rn

[carmine shore]

i got stitch fleshes crit mast weapon and big pogged

[novel star]

MEED

NEED *

not mead

[carmine shore]

i've never slammed stones faster in my life

[haughty lantern]

i got r4 crafted bracers (dickhead unionized crafter wanted 30k to guarantee r5) and r5 belt (much more reasonable horde crafter only wanted 7.5k to guarantee r5)

[wanton mirage]

ive gotten crit/verse everything this week. big rip

might be going outlaw at this rate

[haughty lantern]

time to go outlaw

[novel star]

jk you cant play outlaw without like 15% haste or whatever cause adrenaline rush got shot in the back of the head for no reason

hf!

[wanton mirage]

oh damn

[fleet atlas]

is mad queens mandate bad for us?

[novel star]

its a different breakpoint for each build i think

idk type !stats in there

[haughty flicker]

why are these people doing df levels of damage

help me

[novel star]

sooo fucking lame LOL

balls stat for them but theyre forced to get a lot of it to function

[runic hinge]

Omg they made outlaw use more than crit/verse. They ruined the spec

[novel star]

i mean ultimately gear doesnt really matter as long as the simulation tells you your number go higher

but it just feels bad

[runic hinge]

Idk about that

[wanton mirage]

yeah, outlaw hasnt needed haste in a while

[novel star]

to take a cd that was already working fine and then nerf it n force u to change ur entire build around it

[carmine shore]

is this an M0 O_o

[runic hinge]

It feels bad cause they don’t get to slam 2 secondaries and not care about the rest of the stats anymore?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[novel star]

yeah breakpoints are cringe and annoying

when its all for 1 spell

[runic hinge]

Outlaw players are cringe and annoying so it’s deserved

[novel star]

a piece with stats on it that should be good for you but arent because it pushes your haste low enough that ur cooldown stops working properly prolly feels pretty bad to see!

[runic hinge]

The cd still works tho. It’s not like you press the button and it does nothing lol

[young dust]

i strongly believe whoever is responsible for rogue design does not play rogue at all

[honest oxide]

What specs are y’all enjoying in raid so far

[south lava]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[south lava]

How much haste should we go for minmum

[novel star]

thats not a thing on assassination

[south lava]

Is 5% okay?

[novel star]

that only matters on outlaw

look at the first line

not even the first line

[young dust]

getting stressed of deathmark bugging

[novel star]

the first sentence

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats.

[young dust]

half the fights i got cucked by something

[novel star]

There are no required amount of any stats.

[eager tree]

invisible has to be trolling

[south lava]

[languid pawn]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

prolly but i'd rather give a real answer anyway even if its a smug answer

[honest oxide]

Outlaw doesn’t feel great atm imo

[carmine shore]

if you're fatebound you literally just send crit mast, if you're deathstalker you gotta sim

[novel star]

cause wow players really are that fucking stupid sometimes

[honest oxide]

Debating on swapping to sin or sub just can’t make up my mind

[novel star]

whatever you have more fun playing

unless ur guild is like top 50 it doesnt matter

XD

[honest oxide]

I like em all, I usually swap around

[novel star]

gear all of them then

[honest oxide]

Getting the gear is a pain in the dick this early on lol

[novel star]

ur gonna get items at the same pace regardless u just hold on to extras that sim better on the other specs

except crafted stuff i guess

thats pretty aids

[honest oxide]

You play sub at all?

[novel star]

nop

sin only

ima onetrick

[carmine shore]

i tried sub, realized i had to go back to the dumby for a while, and didn't have the energy, mostly just cuz sub was so far ahead on smoly

[honest oxide]

I played ass for the majority of S3, then swapped to sub for smold and tindral

[cobalt sphinx]

any valor stone wasters

[honest oxide]

Is fuuu’s sim chart up to date?

[novel star]

dont have any to waste

[haughty flicker]

i played sub vs target dummy for 10 minutes when my guild got to smold

then swapped to ret

[honest oxide]

Lmao

[steel jay]

does anyone have the sheet that shows the 2/4p tier bonus % gain

[nova flax]

@balmy condor TIER ?? SOLO

TOO EZ

[haughty flicker]

very ugly

but grats

[nova flax]

L TAKE

VOID BLIMP BIS

[wanton mirage]

nice!

[young dust]

this only applies if you ambush again with DN already up?

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[novel star]

should

i dont think theres any other way to get dn and active marks at the same time

[wraith mauve]

we take those

[soft surge]

wheres that sim spreadsheet

[spice spire]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

?

[soft surge]

ty

[spice spire]

[fleet pagoda]

two weapons from delve maps?

[tawny pawn]

guys im having an issue i hope you guys can help me, can i make the Mark WA to track only my mark

[dense jolt]

wasn't this removed in beta?

with fatal intent

[novel star]

ya its just a bug in logs afaik

[spice spire]

Any chance I can dm you the most mundane ass wa question this weekend?

[slate crown]

That's up to you big dog

[spice spire]

Listen man I don’t wanna get blocked because I’m an idiot

I’m making sure it’s kosher first

[slate crown]

You won't

[spice spire]

Bless

[slate crown]

Because you're not

[spice spire]

No I definitely am

[slate crown]

All this build up for a basic question I gotta mark my calendar and shit

[spice spire]

Nah it’s more “that’s when I’ll have the time to actually look and sit down and do it”

[novel star]

idk search message history in here about it

theres an actual explanation i think but i dont remember it

[spice spire]

This isn’t an “I ask a question and if you don’t answer immediately I’m gonna be mad. 😡”

[warm oyster]

Is outlaw the by far strongest spec as of now?

[slate crown]

I treat messages to and from me as how asynchronous communication is supposed to be treated. If I send a message to someone I fully 100% have no expectation that they'll respond any time soon because everyone has their own shit going on that I don't know about. And the same in the other direction that I will respond to things when I feel I can and don't rush myself

[worn badger]

outlaw cant fight its way out of a paper bag

[runic hinge]

Outlaw players are cringe and annoying

[spice spire]

Same shit.
Glad to hear it. Truly

What an awful day to have eyes

[slate crown]

why when I am in the chat would you respond to this making me click through this message chain

why would you do this to me

[spice spire]

Bro

Two people sent this to me

[silk bane]

you guys simply dont understand

[spice spire]

I was raising

Raiding even

[novel star]

both

[silk bane]

same

had to ask for a 5 min

break

to just mentally meditate on it

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Drop any daggers?

[nova flax]

B tier. Just like your takes

[spice spire]

Just a normal one off second boss

I’m definitely uh

Rusty as fuck

[blazing jewel]

@slate crown pet your cat she needs it

[vapid geode]

anyone with spyglass noticing its proc chance seems so low?

[slate crown]

you are so right

[upper wraith]

whats everyone crafting

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slate crown]

Nothing. I'm sitting on my crafts till another day. It'll be like finding $100 under the couch when I see the 3 sparks in my bags

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[cinder bone]

nothing like getting all crit verse jewelery from my bountiful delves

[slate crown]

I got 3 pairs of shoulders in a row

[worn badger]

shoulders i got are crit verse but got haste/mast ring crit haste haste/vers back

[spice spire]

Tank got 5 cloaks in a row

Linsanity level run tbh

[worn badger]

theres only 4 bountifuls..

[spice spire]

2 days

[worn badger]

oh yeah

[spice spire]

NA

[tacit crystal]

is wax broken? Didn't proc in raid lol

[runic hinge]

Coming from you that means a lot

[hoary remnant]

Skill issue

[tacit crystal]

fuk

[boreal pond]

Can someone explain the PTR notes to me? Supercharger is just ER with a new name, Forced Induction makes the CP’s act as +3 instead of +2, and the new ER makes your builders after consuming deal more. That about right?

[dim yacht]

yeah, but its passive

cuts down on bloat

huge dub imo

[cinder bone]

ayyyyyy

[hallow pelican]

ring chest shoulders gloves necklace and I got the dagger from grim batol

[boreal pond]

Is it meant to be supercharged points like how ER works now though? Pin says next two finishers, but what if you don’t land at those points

[tawdry sedge]

Sanguine blades feels so bad, when are they going to rework that talent?

I WANNA DO DMG AND PRESS BUTTONS HARD

[cobalt bison]

what do I craft if I rogue is only for splits ? I dont have a weapon

[rotund oak]

How to do u boys handle your cds on ovinax

do u just send

or wait to vanish and nuke the parasites

[hallow pelican]

2 piece armor dawnthread

[cobalt bison]

no wep ?

[hallow pelican]

then nerubian MH and nerubian bracers

[cobalt bison]

will legit only use today

and then ignore it

[cinder bone]

oh weapon then

[hallow pelican]

then do the 2 dawnthread way cheaper

and DPS is very similar

but sim it just to be sure

if u care anyway

[cobalt sphinx]

lol

why did i use all my valorstones

[cinder bone]

yeah i feel dumb too

[plain flower]

@balmy condor is the double vanish dream alive with these new subterfuge changers

Wait poggers

[slate crown]

oh my brain totally ignored subterfuge when I was reading

I didn't realize that's what the change was

[novel star]

surely situational

u still have to go thru soothing darkness and cuck one of the other banger talents down there

[rotund oak]

ye no thx

[novel star]

when does 12s ic/imp gar actually matter

i guess you wouldnt have to vanish in the opener

on fatebound

or maybe u still would idk

no u would

i guess just giga pulls in m+ or wack casters and thats it really

[rotund oak]

i dont vanish still on deathstalker as well after kb

too scared to lose the mark

[novel star]

simply vanish without pressing ambush

[rotund oak]

ik what i have to do when and if i vanish

[novel star]

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[main hemlock]

wdym why is that a problem

[rotund oak]

when u vanish even on ST even on deathstalker u dont rly ambush anyway

unless u missed to ambush at the very beginning

[wise plume]

so spyglass/skardyn is our overall bis for assass?

[rotund oak]

yup

grimbatol trinket actually huge

[wise plume]

yeah its basically branch without having to kite orbs

[rotund oak]

yup

sob trinket very very good coz crit value high

[main hemlock]

are those trinkets bis for raid AND m+?

[wise plume]

yeah it's like 8.5k crit at 597

[rotund oak]

both yup

its the perfect set up,on use mastery,both primary stat on equip

[frozen iris]

Would someone be willing to review my logs

[rotund oak]

and crit ramping

[frozen iris]

I can tip in gold or whatever

I am not doing so hot

Im not sure how to make a thread for it. People have done it

[cobalt bison]

how much should this be

[wise plume]

i set it to 60%

[novel star]

idk check buff uptime in ur logs

but like 70 is usually safe

[silk bane]

spooky spooder

[narrow basalt]

How is our damage in the raid compared to other classes so far? I have only tried on a slow ass laptop. Still did decent damage.

[tall pelican]

!enchants

[tawdry sedge]

is sanguine blades required for every build?

or i can get rid of that shit and finally enjoy smashing buttons?

[normal mist]

What are we gonna complain about now?

[silk bane]

sanguin blades isnt why youre not smashin

[silk bane]

actually insane

ngl

holy shit

[normal mist]

It isn't used in some builds

[tawdry sedge]

what is the reason then

[wise plume]

I actually hate pickpocketing these kobolds for the weapon wax

[silk bane]

thats how the class just works.

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

You need 1 every 2 hours

[novel star]

yea its the opposite actually

[wise plume]

dont you have to apply to both weapons?

[novel star]

sanguine makes you smash more

[normal mist]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[novel star]

cause the energy yoink loses you envenoms

but for real, design command says it all

[tawdry sedge]

brooo i know those things, point is in the past you used to pool energy before toxic blade came up so you could spam envenoms

now even when shiv is up it feels wrong to fall below 150 energy

[novel star]

i mean you still do that but also you have tea now

[normal mist]

You do the same now

[tawdry sedge]

even if it drops below 150?

[normal mist]

Yeah

[novel star]

being below 150 is good you want to be below 150

[normal mist]

You're supposed to spam on shiv windows

[tawdry sedge]

i see

[silk bane]

^ youre not playing around sanguine blades

you kinda ignore it

[tawdry sedge]

thank god

[silk bane]

you play around envenom uptime instead

[novel star]

sanguine is like a

make ur deathmark better talent

[tawdry sedge]

jokes on you i play FB

[slate crown]

[silk bane]

[novel star]

but fatebound is the one that takes sanguine in raid

[tawdry sedge]

i know xd

[novel star]

hmm

[tawdry sedge]

i dont mind it, i just thought you play around sanguine blades all the time

at all costs

and that kinda felt like i was trolling

[balmy condor]

From my heroic logs was anywhere from 65 to 80%, think 70 is safe like oli said

[novel star]

good2kno

[slate crown]

What did you play in raid and did you have fun with it?

DS Vs FB

[wise plume]

is fatebound even worth running?

[novel star]

he was on both i think

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[wise plume]

havent seen a single assass rogue running it lol

[novel star]

they sim very close so its really preference

[narrow basalt]

Yes because coin go plingggg

[novel star]

i mean if ur minmaxing you just go deathstalker because its better

[balmy condor]

I played both, first boss heroic I played deathstalker and was reading chat and didn’t get my mark so -1 hero talent tree for 2 min

Played fatebound for the next 3

[novel star]

but if ur MINNNN MAXING theres probably some dungeons where fatebound would be better because its stronger in mass aoe

[balmy condor]

Played both on ovi’nax, got the kill with deathstalker

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

But I legit cannot see a difference in my logs

[wise plume]

might give fate a try then

[balmy condor]

The fatebound pulls on ovi’nax were literally neck and neck with deathstalker

[narrow basalt]

Fatebound is is more fun imo, even though its passive. Lucky coin is peak fr.

[balmy condor]

Different talents and everything

CT, no CT

Didn’t matter

[novel star]

getting like a 10+ coin streak feels so fucking good lol

[balmy condor]

All around the same

[novel star]

adding dopamine tracker to ur weakaura is based

[narrow basalt]

Yep

[slate crown]

Fatebound honestly is more attractive to me now simply because it has more pooling as far as I understand

[balmy condor]

Dude I hate it but I also need it for edge case cause I’m an ape

[narrow basalt]

I love gambling, so this is perfect 😎

[slate crown]

What do you need for edge case?

[still stirrup]

Does tricks bug out applying mark or is it just me?

[novel star]

LMAO

[slate crown]

Am I missing something rn?

[balmy condor]

Nothing really but seeing both heads/tails gives me a brain input to cold blood

[novel star]

i use it after edgecase to see if i fucked it or not

but i dont actually use it like

when im hitting the macro

[slate crown]

Ahh

[novel star]

waste of fucking time but it feels good

positive reinforcement ( )

[slate crown]

I want to go back through the raid on assa to see how it feels

I don’t like staying below 50 with deathstalker, feel like I’m just always pressing buttons and feeling the energy reserves being depleted

So probably be fate to just always be pooling

Cause I like pooling

[prime cairn]

is master assassin back? has this been asked 500 times?

[balmy condor]

No one knows, and yes

[pearl flume]

guys, do u know wt heck with Bubbling Wax? works perfect on dumy but not on raid bosses

or is anything that I don't know?

[spiral gale]

currently bugged and was recommended we don't use it

[pearl flume]

ohh, thank u mate

[cobalt sphinx]

Legendary pad with dn and ctw on little spiders on ansurek

[wise plume]

i'm not seeing a crazy difference between DM and fate, might just stick with fate

feels nice

[hexed frost]

With the supercharge talent and shiv interaction, is double shiv back on the menu boys?

Even in M+ I mean

[terse orchid]

Man I hope so, single shiv feels so bad

[wise plume]

i agree

[willow cloud]

just missed organge log on h rasha 😦

[dusty zenith]

Lie

[willow cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/greatshorty#difficulty=4&boss=2918

[terse orchid]

Fatebound Edge Case
Fixes the lame cold blood interaction thing, you still want to use it after edge case but can maybe macro to kingsbane and be fine

does that mean we macro cold blood onto kb instead of onto envenom?

[regal solar]

Any way to use deathmark, kingsbane, shiv faster, or it's gcd ?

[runic hinge]

gcd

[pulsar elk]

What build is good for bloodtwister?

[native escarp]

what do we swap on raid for cleave

do we just swap internal bleeding to spatter

or do we need to swap more

[regal solar]

I focus boss 5head

[native escarp]

or do we just ST unga bunga

[wise plume]

unga

maybe idk

[native escarp]

kk

i was slapping as sub but assa is simming 80k higher still

even tho sub was doing like 850k ovr

so might run assa tonight see how it goes

[wise plume]

in any cleave situation i really just apply bleeds for regen n focus main prio

n pray for a bomb proc

[regal solar]

On logs I see a lot of outlaw and sub, does assa is better with 2p 4p maybe ?

[chilly nimbus]

hi buddy, I have a question.
Sin rogue have snapshotting on the bleeds?

[lusty narwhal]

Algari Mana oil simming pretty good as a cheaper option over the whetstones

[wise plume]

whetsontes r stupid expensive

[lusty narwhal]

yeah

[regal solar]

Wherstones are so expensive yeah like 6k each

[wise plume]

mana oil it is

[lusty narwhal]

this algari oil is 232 crit and haste for 500g r3 or 200 for r2

not bad

dunno how the wax stacks up though

[wise plume]

and we can use with wax right?

[cobalt sphinx]

wax does 0.0 dps for me

[regal solar]

So bubbling main and oil off ?

[lusty narwhal]

dunno

[regal solar]

I heard bubbling dont work on off hand

[lusty narwhal]

people are using bubbling because its freer essentially

[cobalt sphinx]

bubbling didnt work on mainhand for me, i had it on mainhand for the full raid clear

[regal solar]

Even the application on off, I need to change my daggers placement to use it

[wise plume]

i just did lfr sikran for giggles, and my wax did 0.6% of my damage

[regal solar]

I didnt check my wax

[wise plume]

but.. on bloodbound horror, wax did 1.3%, granted there's a bunch of adds

[regal solar]

Don't show wax on logs yeah

[wise plume]

i mean it's a free alternative to runes, so can't really expect much

[regal solar]

My wax don't show in all kills

[wise plume]

really?

weird

[grim jay]

I didnt have it on Details either

[regal solar]

Even on buffs logs weird

[wise plume]

gonna try this deathmark/blood macro

[mint valve]

For m+, if you didnt take iron wire. where would you reallocate that one point?

[grim jay]

Hopefully nowhere

Because iron wire is really strong

[wise plume]

iron wire is honestly a must need with the amount of caster npcs in these dungeons

[mint valve]

ah, yeah its just i saw it was getting nerfed by 50% and was wondering if we would take a point somewhere else instead

[slim siren]

i mean still serves its main purpose even nerfed

to get them to all group up

[stable flint]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slim siren]

also damn im i high reading the class changes or is thistle tea now just whenever we go down below 30 we get 100 back no cd

[fringe lily]

That's what I was about to ask

I've read it about 5 times

[slim siren]

XD

same

i was pissed about the change tbh untill i saw that part

i was ready to mald at the auto using of tea

[fringe lily]

Going below 30 can be a challenge in m+ tbf, but does that mean we have a near permanent mastery buff if we spam

But then, we csnt spam fully due to envenom buff

[balmy condor]

It’s still 3 charges

[fringe lily]

So, it might end up pointless?

[mint valve]

what ilvl can we craft to currently?

[round nexus]

Can’t we still manually use it?

[slim siren]

really? its not a challege for me it feels like

[balmy condor]

It just has an auto trigger

[fringe lily]

It days 0 charges now

Says*

[slim siren]

and 0 cd

[balmy condor]

That’s just datamine nonsense

[fringe lily]

Ah

[slim siren]

yea thats fair

[fringe lily]

Makes sense

[balmy condor]

It’s the same spell

As now

[fringe lily]

Cos I was bamboozled

[balmy condor]

But they added the trigger

[round nexus]

Could just as well say energy is remove as put no cd no charges auto tea sub 30

[mint valve]

if we craft this week, what ilvl can we make?

[balmy condor]

606 I think

[final stratus]

How'

How's this trinket for assa?

[balmy condor]

Good

[fringe lily]

Maybe, but then I'd assume it's still not worth to spam all abilities to have 0 energy, instead of pooling properly

[final stratus]

Fuck, I hate having double on-use 😦

xd

[balmy condor]

Why would you have double

wtf

Just use that and a passive

[round nexus]

Could I craft boots instead of belt? Or is that advised against?

[final stratus]

Cus my trinkets right now is that one, and pvp on-use

[noble nymph]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[final stratus]

I don't have any other decent ones

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[balmy condor]

Then get a replacement for your PvP trinket

[grim jay]

Then you aint dotting enough

[balmy condor]

That thing is ass

[final stratus]

Working on it

not a single trinket drop in m0 yesterday

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[final stratus]

spammed ara-kara first boss 15 kills on hc before reset

x)

[slim siren]

fair more like i never get tanks that pull more then 3 /cry

[final stratus]

But for now I'll have to roll double on-use, hopefully I can get spyglass or some shit today

[slim siren]

cant get them juicy packs

[round nexus]

Why is belt and wrist preferred? Is it because of the socket opportunities?

[fringe lily]

Because I crafted boots

[grim jay]

Low stat budget

[fringe lily]

So they decided I was a silly sausage

[grim jay]

Less ilvl impact

[round nexus]

Ahh yeah because mythic track goes higher

[grim jay]

Yes

[umbral pike]

had a disappointing personal night while raiding, gotta figure out where Im goin wrong

[fringe lily]

Prolly need to give us more info than that

Otherwise...stab more?

[slim siren]

stabbing more solves everything tbh

[fringe lily]

More stabs, more dps

[native escarp]

this is decent yea

[slim siren]

yea not bad at all

[grim jay]

I got 12 ilvl gapped by quite some of our people yesterday because they just spammed shit since early morning while I was working

[native escarp]

sick, got skardyns grace too

so will be a good 2nd trink

[round nexus]

I keep using kingsbane before shiv in 2 shiv charge builds, because I’m so used to it from these past weeks playing only 1 charge :p

[native escarp]

im 600 ilvl, but i didnt do the 5x 610 pvp items

cbf with that

[native escarp]

xd

[slim siren]

yea not bad to keep untill u get sac or deadeye

[native escarp]

only 1 gcd early bro its ok

i have sac but only 593

[balmy condor]

Not like logs matter start of season

[willow vine]

Same

[native escarp]

603 flayedwing simming better

[balmy condor]

Boss dies job done

[slim siren]

oh yea lmao

[native escarp]

593 empowering crystal was simming higher than sac tho for ST

[balmy condor]

[fringe lily]

I'm still opening with garrote on DS build about 25% of the time

[grim jay]

No it was just a personal raid performance thing dpswise and it felt weird, because I usually have higher ilvl aswell

[fringe lily]

Hand faster than brain

[native escarp]

bro i do that so much

and then half way thru pack im like

[rotund oak]

pressing fok st kinda sucks

[native escarp]

my mark

[slim siren]

same...same

im to used to it

[round nexus]

Hehe, I think I’m around 99% ambush at least 😅

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

No, literally one of our cool looking skills

[fringe lily]

The homies love the 0.03% earlier silence i suppose so im doing my part!

[native escarp]

my assa sim is 874k, sub sim is 796k haha

[rotund oak]

😅 im dumming today after delves to get used to it coz after ovilax we got kyveza which needs alot of ST sauce

need to make deathstalker my 2nd nature now

[round nexus]

I often ambush with DN active in AoE also :p

[fringe lily]

At least I'm not alone

[rotund oak]

the entire way the mark is applied is kinda

weird

but whtever

rest of the stuff is very very good

tanky and dmg and all

[fringe lily]

This has been the opener since azerite gear I think?

[slim siren]

yea wish they would just let us apply it with other stuff

its still limited to one target so like it wouldnt change anything but meh we will get used to it

[rotund oak]

but i rly have an issue with fok on st for CTW

its kinda cringe

[fringe lily]

I believe (I may have read wrong) that the subterfuge changes will let us get away with messing it up?

But I dunno if I read it right

[grim jay]

Just make your WA bigger. I pulled one out of lisonnas wa to have an additional tracker

[round nexus]

All rogue packs in 11.0.5 patch: will show 270 energy instead of 300, or 30 less then max 🤣

[rotund oak]

i dont steal from anyone fam

more from women

[grim jay]

Then just make one yourself

We are rogues

[rotund oak]

yeah ig

[grim jay]

We steal

[rotund oak]

[slim siren]

who takes subter tho. am i crazy?

[grim jay]

Read the pins

Its with the next patch

He is talking about

[balmy condor]

High end m+ players because they’re better than us

[fringe lily]

We can't even open right

[rotund oak]

💀

[balmy condor]

They have deep understanding of how to lose damage

[slim siren]

ah i see

[balmy condor]

But with the changes might be reasonable tbh

[grim jay]

Thats why they dont take IW sometimes

So that they can lose more dmg

[umbral pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78475343#difficulty=3 this is my logs for our run tonight and I just got hard gapped by my fellow rogues, I don't think Im using KB as much as I should and Im definitely behind in envenoms

[slim siren]

what would we drop to take it tho echoing seems to good to lose +

[grim jay]

Bigger pool of damage, more to lose

[rotund oak]

u r s@xier than all of them

[round nexus]

Fellow rogues? More then 1 in a raid? That’s crazy

[grim jay]

Satxier

[fringe lily]

I'd pay money to drop echoing

A monthly fee

[grim jay]

Just play fatebound

[rotund oak]

i could sell u my boe

and let u drop it

[grim jay]

Also hating on er is weak

[slim siren]

lmfao not the passive version rom

[fringe lily]

Maybe

But I still don't like my combo points changing colours

Or my WA sparkling

[slim siren]

lmfao valid

[rotund oak]

idk man

im a huge fan of er

its very pog button

dmg and charged cps

[fringe lily]

Has PTR fixed the bug yet to work with hero?

[slim siren]

Im not a fan that a anima charged cp doesnt count as a full envenom for deathstalkers marke

[grim jay]

Probably if they reworked it

[native escarp]

no one is

[rotund oak]

yeah that bug sucks

[slim siren]

when i lost my deathstalkers mark because it if i almost jumped off the map to make a statment

[rotund oak]

they need to fix that so reverb will add so much qol

[fringe lily]

If this gets fixed, then it might jingle my jangles a bit more

[rotund oak]

u can reset the tree in just 1 ER

[grim jay]

Doubt they will fix anything until the rework now

[round nexus]

I have a stand alone WA that covers 5 combo points coloring them white (for finishing) that activates on a charged combo point.. my brain couldn’t handle it otherwise 😅

[fringe lily]

Mine go sparkly

From the WA in the pins

And it's too damn fancy

I ain't here for sparkles, I'm here for blood

[rotund oak]

ye

[deep wave]

hey guys, is assa the preferred spec for raiding rn too?

[round nexus]

Outlaw deals a lot more damage, it seems. But it’s harder to play, and different stats

[fringe lily]

It is when I'm raiding

(Don't listen to me)

[slim siren]

yea outlaws like second top dps on logs but seems viotile

[minor bloom]

Are there any other websites for talents aside from wowhead and icy?

[fringe lily]

Woah

[slim siren]

theres also like 2 people playing it xD

[round nexus]

As long as assa is the preferred spec in m+, there’s going to be a lot of ppl raiding with it also.

[fringe lily]

Likely, but honestly they'll not be as good. What's the issue with wowhead?

[minor bloom]

I just thought there was a Website where you could see the talents been used the most

forgot what it was called

[fringe lily]

Oooh

[rotund oak]

subcreation?

[minor bloom]

YES

HOLY

[rotund oak]

why would

[minor bloom]

KING

OR QUEEN

TY

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

but why would u do that

😅

[fringe lily]

Theyre about to be disappointed once they see it was bought over 😦

[round nexus]

I just check logs on bosses.. All stars (dps) > choose a boss > choose a spec

And you get most used talents

[rotund oak]

disappointment is when u see the electricity bill

others are very minor

😅

[native escarp]

do we ignore clear the witnesses with vicious venoms or nah

[round nexus]

Yes

[fringe lily]

If u don't look

There is no bill

[native escarp]

kk ty

[fringe lily]

Ez

[slim siren]

tell them ur sending a check on the last day before they cut off your power each month

[deep wave]

which site can i check that in?

[slim siren]

then dont send them the check

[rotund oak]

[round nexus]

Warcraftlogs.com

[deep wave]

thx

[fringe lily]

They take mine auto via bank, but if there's 0 in the bank, how can they take it

Big brain

[minor bloom]

Are there any major benefits to take Fatebound over the other one in raids?

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor lord whispyr sir,we dont fok for ctw with vicious venoms?!We just mut?

[narrow basalt]

Coin go pling

Satisfaction. Besides that I dont think so.

[rotund oak]

nvm found it

[minor bloom]

Gotcha

[rotund oak]

im getting old

[minor bloom]

appreciate that

[runic hinge]

you don't have to track marks

can't lose it to random intermissions or adds dying

[deep wave]

lord its just fury warrior in that list

[fringe lily]

Still early days

We still have time to show up even less, dw

[minor bloom]

Some of my biggest problems was losing to ads dying

[round nexus]

Assa being far down is good if you currently like m+ 😅

[native escarp]

fatebound is same rotation minus the building to max for marks and shit right

and u just CB your Envenoms

[minor bloom]

But theres a dps decrease right

[native escarp]

ye

im going to sim to see how much less

[minor bloom]

legend

[native escarp]

but sims for DS also assume mark uptime

[fringe lily]

Mathematically there is

[native escarp]

which is not consistent

[fringe lily]

In reality not really

[warm oyster]

Is assa performing as bad as warcraftlogs make it seem? Or just really outlaw friendly raid?

[native escarp]

and whenever you lose mark in raid u cant apply it again until vanish

outlaw is just good, but same as every other spec is suffers a lot from low uptime

u also need haste for law

[fringe lily]

Remember to factor in opening with garrote by mistake into the sims as well, and you'll see fatebound jump right up with DS

[slim siren]

prob a bit better then sin with alot less players overall

[native escarp]

yea outlaw is quite intimidating to new rogue players esp

[hexed frost]

Assa is goated wdym

[slim siren]

outlaw players are creatures who only play outlaw

[blazing warren]

Hey, just a quick question, is Assassination having Energy problems currently in raid?

[glass hemlock]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[glass hemlock]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fringe lily]

We don't mention those people

[hexed frost]

"creatures"

I like it when my ideological opponents are dehumanized

[round nexus]

Nah, I had several 100 logs s3 DF playing outlaw and I hard swapped now because I like dungeons better, and I don’t have loads of time to raid. I like assa 👍🏻

[fringe lily]

Cos you are a cool cat

[slim siren]

notice how its both the coin flip spec people

[fringe lily]

Hah!

[slim siren]

xD nah i had to stop playing outlaw after one to many bad roll the bones and could never go back

[round nexus]

Damn I have to change that color, I’m bullied every day

[analog valley]

ummm.... does this means subterfuge is going to be good?

[grim jay]

I wouldnt know why, unless you played caster before or even slower games

[green magnet]

its sin, not assa, and welcome.

[native escarp]

Fatebound is 16,600 dps lower than DS for me

on ST

[fringe lily]

I just remember, back when you needed to keep juggling to get good rolls, I had so many WA to remind me what was good - screen was full of sparkly green shit everywhere

[grim jay]

Are outlaws even capable of changing color?

[round nexus]

🤣

[fringe lily]

After that, nah from me. Even though that's now gone

[native escarp]

min-maxing BTE can be quite troublesome for newer players, although its a bit easier now with bug fixes etc

[grim jay]

Pins

[slim siren]

there was a time where i was playing outlaw and DH and my life was a coin flip weather i would do good dps

i quit wow for a time after that lmfao

[hexed frost]

No effing way lmaoo

[grim jay]

Idk, sounds like every other mechanic

[analog valley]

damn pins did not show me there is an update.... thanks for pointing it out to me

[cerulean walrus]

I swear to god I will suspend Whispyr by his balls if I get another one of these things

[fringe lily]

Do you need to talent into that

[hexed frost]

Whispyr becomes a nerubian?

[raven egret]

uhm 2 point nodes seem to be 100% incentivizing us to not dip into Lethality 1/2. In a world where the majority of 2 point nodes are getting nuked, we are getting more

[hexed frost]

[zealous wolf]

2 set is only a 2k increase in dps xd

guess you need the 4 set for it to matter

[cerulean walrus]

I have gotten

6 trinkets

In 8 delves

[zealous wolf]

LOL

[cerulean walrus]

I will commit war crimes

[balmy condor]

Promise?

[cerulean walrus]

Yessir

[raven egret]

Sounds like a good time thought

[zealous wolf]

i got like 3 in 4 delves yesterday and like 4 helmets from m0 and delves

[balmy condor]

I mean no one is forcing you to take the full column of supercharge

[tawdry flint]

Only fight in raid which I found a struggle with ds was court. Constantly lost my mark half way, guess I need to getting better and switching it with the 7cp envenom

But ds felt pretty good last night

[vast finch]

lol just read the new ptr note

are they trying to remove 1 rogue button/per ptr patch?

[vale ore]

As fererans irl friend and delve partner I can assure you he WILL get another delve trinket

[vast finch]

bone spike-gone,snd-gone,echoing reprimand gone

[grim jay]

Brother people are hating on er left and right

[zealous wolf]

let them remove it all

[grim jay]

And they hate on buttonbloat all day

[cobalt sphinx]

[grim jay]

Atleast it did something for you

[cerulean walrus]

That's a waxy boi right there

[grim jay]

[zealous wolf]

bubbling wax still bugged for offhand?

[fringe lily]

ME

[raven egret]

Correct was just pointing out the addition of a 2 point node, which has been rarer these days.

[raven egret]

it was bugged for off-hand?

[zealous wolf]

still is i think

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[fringe lily]

I dunno that it was bugged, or just wasn't meant to work x2 ?

Would be like generating a poison bomb per hand

Or am I being a nunu

[tawdry flint]

literally, all they need to do it fix rep so it works with ds

[dense talon]

Dumb question of the day. Do we maintain crimson tempest when fighting single targets?

[grim jay]

Yes

[zealous wolf]

no

2+

[grim jay]

No

[zealous wolf]

2+ targets i think

[raven egret]

normally double weapon buff amplify the effect, not the proc rates