assassination

[waxen oyster]

since timewalking weekly bt

[subtle tundra]

the difficult content is next week, im not commiting anything rn

[haughty flicker]

Definitely holding catalyst for a bit yeah

[waxen oyster]

all the outlaw andies

coming for the funny leech weapon

[haughty flicker]

Sending it on a hero track piece from delve is probably fine, but safer to wait

[haughty lantern]

oh it's always safer to wait

[waxen oyster]

most people just waiting to see whatever completes their 4p

[subtle tundra]

yea dont send unless its for 4pc and is atleast hc tier

[haughty flicker]

Although if I somehow get aotc this week I could have 4p week 1

[haughty lantern]

this is what i did back in s3 on my hunter for amir

that said, amir tier was fucked for bm.....

[waxen oyster]

you can also get 1600 pvp

for the token

[haughty flicker]

Or 1600 pvp I guess

Ye

[haughty lantern]

if you're a sweatlord*

[waxen oyster]

i actually want the mog

this season

[haughty lantern]

tbf i'm already a sweatlord (I live in arizona plz help. the temp still hasn't dropped below 100)

I LIVE IN A TOASTER

[haughty flicker]

I feel like 1600 in bg blitz is free af surely

[waxen oyster]

depends on your team but yeah

[haughty flicker]

Just afk camp flag carriers and rng better team

[waxen oyster]

the rating gain was only 96 for first win for me

[haughty lantern]

so.....i'm a PvE andy. I like.....the last time I touched PvP was to get the 1k kills for the hidden appearance on my hunter's artifact

is rogue good in pvp??

[haughty flicker]

Normally yea

It’s just well designed for pvp

[haughty lantern]

we do have a YUGE advantage right off the rip

[waxen oyster]

its always going to be good in organized bg content

[haughty flicker]

Right now I think sin and sub are both pretty good

[waxen oyster]

since sap exists

and blind

well stealth period

[haughty lantern]

mfw shroud of concealment

[cobalt sphinx]

you need full pvp gear or you get one-shotted by someone with 8.5m hp

[waxen oyster]

also i stand corrected 196 rating from 1 bltiz win

[proven jasper]

Shroud graveyard ganking is the way

[waxen oyster]

you cant shroud in pvp

[proven jasper]

Wtf

[waxen oyster]

anything 5 mins or more is disabled

[proven jasper]

Game sucks

unsub

[haughty lantern]

yeah, it's these like....barriers to entry along with knowledge of how pvp works in a like....deeper sense that keeps me from really getting into pvp

[waxen oyster]

i mean

the honor gear is super easy to get

[haughty flicker]

I just did comp stomp when it was up

Easiest honor of my life

[waxen oyster]

Yep same

[haughty flicker]

Then used the gear to gank people in war mode

[waxen oyster]

epic bgs typically have onetime quests a season that give 1k honor

[haughty flicker]

Good times

[royal lantern]

the biggest EU alliance server is Silvermoon

[haughty flicker]

Leave it to alliance to be wrong

Smh

[waxen oyster]

isnt silvermoon rpers?

[haughty flicker]

(I was alli longer than I’ve been horde)

[waxen oyster]

like arent a sizable amount of alliance rpers

always crying about wanting high elves

[haughty lantern]

ngl i hate this like....stance

I'm over here quoting Khadgar from the Kilrogg right in Hellfire Citadel

FOR AZEROTH

[full summit]

are all 3 specs strong or is one like way better then another?

[waxen oyster]

well blizz caved and gave them high elves

just from hot topic

[haughty flicker]

I’ve gone on rants before about the alliance vs horde people living in the past dw

I don’t actually have the opinion I’m making jokes about

[waxen oyster]

i just like making jokes

about horde players live in mud huts

and don't know what a road not made out of dirt is like

[proven jasper]

Idk man seeing sylvanas scream for the horde in the bfa cinematic did something to me

[haughty flicker]

The horde is nothing though

L horde

[haughty lantern]

for our next question: do i do the cheeky breeky thing and BiS on the trinket from nexus princess because it is technically our raid BiS trinket or do I "pass" on it and keep grinding for m+ trinkets (assuming it even drops tonight in raid)

[spice spire]

Yeah the volcano definitely exploded

[proven jasper]

On god

No regrets

[haughty lantern]

NGL i miss Darnassus

[waxen oyster]

that trinket likely goes to any class

that also uses the fist

[haughty lantern]

(I know i can always go back but still my first ever character was a nelf and i still stand by it)

[haughty lantern]

true, our guild did actually make a special except to this rule of like....."combo loot"

you basically get dibs on the other half of the set if you already have one of the pieces, due to the set bonus

[spice spire]

For me (coming from a GM position) if someone bis’d things that they weren’t actually bis for, they were less likely to get gear in the future in the actual bis situations

I’d avoid BUT mention that it’s a hefty upgrade

[waxen oyster]

theres usually

bis and big upgrade

[spice spire]

His team doesn’t have that

Which sketch

[haughty flicker]

What

Is it literally just bis or pass

[whole sand]

what ilvl will a crafted dagger be if we made it?

[haughty lantern]

ye, i am like....i am definitely a loot goblin, and ALSO i have a lot of time to run m+ (not all my guildies do) so usually due to my extra effort I am at/near the top of the dps meters

so i am also trying to like....."play by the rules" that our loot masters/raid leaders set so that in the event that the ring from ansurek eventually drops, i sort of have "dibs" on it (in that our guild also tracks who gets what loot so loot gets distributed mostly evenly. We have a full 30 man raid team so the bosses are trying to keep the loot situation fair)

[cobalt sphinx]

590 606 619 or 636

[waxen oyster]

i mean this early into the tier

any heroic raid item is likely

"big upgrade"

from ilvl alone

[haughty lantern]

but this is normal....

[waxen oyster]

oh idk about norm

we got like 5 agi 2hs

shit game

[rapid talon]

Hey guys, I'm new to the assassination spec and i have no clue what my top stats should be, they're different on every site i check. Most of them say that it should be crit mastery but if i leave the assasination loot in game, i only get haste versa or haste crit

[spice spire]

Pissed

[haughty lantern]

our guild is like uber casual. our main goal is just to get AotC

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cobalt sphinx]

what does this mean

but if i leave the assasination loot in game

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[rapid talon]

you can select the loot for which spec you prefer

[whole sand]

that just shows you leather

[cobalt sphinx]

oh yeah that just means you won't get weapons other than daggers

[runic hinge]

The only difference for rogue loot is outlaw will drop one handers instead of daggers

[whole sand]

but no ones likes them

[haughty lantern]

cries in pirate

[rapid talon]

ah, fair enough, in bfa they changed the stats of the items as well if i remember correctly

[cobalt sphinx]

all stats are basically the same for sin, just put on whatever has highest ilvl

given equal ilvl take whatever has less vers

[rapid talon]

that's handy, thank you

[cobalt sphinx]

if you want to be absolutely certain you can use raidbots

[haughty lantern]

droptimizer is your friend

[rapid talon]

is that a website or a curseforge addon?

[spice spire]

Website

[fresh python]

Did the M+ build just change to drop Resounding Alacrity?

[rapid talon]

thanks, i'll give it a try

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com

[haughty lantern]

all the builds did due to it not working

[narrow basalt]

How are yall doing damage wise in the raid so far?

[spice spire]

[grim tangle]

I've done zero damage in the raid so far

[fresh python]

FUCK bro thats rogue's best abilityyyyyy

[spice spire]

Ur real for that

[cobalt sphinx]

the simcraft addon will export all the gear in your bags so that you can sim everything you own in raidbots

i forget what it's called, maybe simulationcraft

[rapid talon]

i'll google it no worries

[fresh python]

also since when is it not working lol it was working fine yesterday?

[cobalt sphinx]

it just gives you a text file to paste into raidbots top gear

[haughty lantern]

it doesn't work in the sense that it doesn't work with applying darknest night

(i think that's what it is, anyway)

[spice spire]

That’s correct

[limber lion]

Same

[fresh python]

but reprimand is still run and that can just turbo charge 1 lower cp

[haughty lantern]

i just follow the math and assume it's correct. I don't do the testing myself. Don't look at me.

[somber nimbus]

man that bleed build really does well in lower end dungeons, i was paired with another rogue running that bleed build and I couldnt even use my caustic spatter build long enough before adds were dying into 3 seconds

[fresh python]

ur literally the one answering my question? don't answer if you don't know?

[limber lion]

It has not worked ever

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[fresh python]

Right but up until today the WoWhead guide had resounding clarity talented

[limber lion]

Could be

Maybe Whispyr was hoping the bug gets fixed before raid release

But it didn't

We will swap to RC once the bug gets fixed

[cinder parrot]

Has anyone got a good talent page for silken court?

[fresh python]

Bro ok

[haughty lantern]

do we know the damage difference between running a bugged RC vs running 2 lethality?

[proven jasper]

?

[fresh python]

I literally started playing my rogue yesterday and copy pasted talents from wowhead but ok

[limber lion]

Around 0.6-0.8%

[limber lion]

Are you ok?

[rapid talon]

ditto

I used to play sub back at the start of dragonflight but now my damage mid burst is like half of the constant assass damage

[limber lion]

Sus

[rapid talon]

i may be doing something wrong tho

[haughty lantern]

dude the damage my ass deals is so good

[limber lion]

Definitely

[rapid talon]

that toilet took some heavy crits?

[haughty lantern]

[limber lion]

I also destroyed the workplace's porcelain today

[spice spire]

You guys have brought Cev into nonsense

[haughty lantern]

play assassin rogue for the dps nah

play assassin rogue for all the butt puns yuh

[spice spire]

I’m so proud of you

[haughty lantern]

[crystal delta]

!crafts

[sturdy stirrup]

if i dont have improved garrote should i just use ambush ?

[crystal delta]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber lion]

Scroll down below a bit

[haughty lantern]

ok so i haven't done a tier 8 bountiful delve yet

wtf is this worldsoul memory business i keep hearing about and why is it important?

[crystal delta]

what is sigil ascension dagger? is that the normal one you can craft?

[spice surge]

Its a normal dagger

[west willow]

this thing gonna get hotfixed

[spice surge]

With that embellishment added

[spice surge]

It already was hotfixed, it does split damage now

[haughty lantern]

sigil ascension means take the darkmoon deck ascension, turn it into the embelishment, and throw that on a dagger

[sour relic]

is the ascension embellishment not as good for M+?

[cobalt sphinx]

huge padding tech on queen with dn envenom fan

[haughty lantern]

considering that combat constantly is stop and go, no not really

[sturdy stirrup]

to where im dumb sorry i couldnt find

[crystal delta]

but i use the normal everforged stabber dagger base?

[unkempt flame]

I have a question for assa in m+. There are so many things that get you out of stealth. For example the one abomination in Necrotic wake with the poison aura, then in tirna scithe when you go through the mist labyrinthe. Is there a "good" way to still apply your deathmark? I mean without using vanish.

[haughty lantern]

ye

[limber lion]

In the Wowhead guide

There's rotation part for non-improved garrote as well

Similar to that one

[rapid talon]

after each bountiful delve you get a worldsoul memory to complete random on the map, you go in a new zone, get some kind of points, and at the end you recover some parts of your keys

[limber lion]

But yes, you would Ambush

To apply the mark

[rapid talon]

so basically on every bountiful delve it's a 20-25% money back on your used key

[haughty lantern]

ah so it's like a reclaim system to get back some of your key so you can get more bountiful delves in total?

[west willow]

Anyone have a Plater profile that is effective for tracking bleeds

[limber lion]

Sure do

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty lantern]

ahhhhhh that's neato

do i need to do it in a group to optimize it or sth? or can i just do it solo?

[crystal delta]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rapid talon]

gawd damn that was quick

[limber lion]

Ty

[spice spire]

He knows his stuff

[west willow]

king

[rapid talon]

you can try solo, but i highly suggest you create a group with tank and healer

[spice spire]

It’s borderline self promotion which is a bannable offense (this is a joke)

[haughty lantern]

do you mean for the delve or for the worldsoul event?

[rapid talon]

for the delve

[haughty lantern]

ye ye ofc

[rapid talon]

worldsoul can be done solo, but you gather a bit more points in the event

it's pretty much 5 mins to kill as much as you can, idk how the points translate into key parts

[haughty lantern]

i plan on (probably tomorrow and/or over the weekend) doing like "bountiful delve world tours" where like i make a group, pug a tank and a healer, and we go do a bountiful delve, then a worldsoul, then another delve, then another world soul, etc etc

[iron carbon]

150 is 25 key fragment

[limber lion]

I will kiss George if you keep that up (this is a threat)

[haughty lantern]

CONSUME PAYDAY CONTENT

I AM NO LONGER ASKING

[rapid talon]

max 4 per day on the delves

[limber lion]

I'm confused

[haughty lantern]

ye ye i know that much (but ty for the info anyway 🆒)

[spice spire]

[west willow]

what addon conflict is happening here

[limber lion]

OmniCC and Plater

Turn off OmniCC

[west willow]

thought so

[crystal delta]

for armor embelishment its still dawnthread lining right?

[rapid talon]

i'm gonna be honest with you fellas, assassionation is pretty fun, but if at any point sub is gonna be fun again, i'm going back

[haughty lantern]

also how are you guys going about your like....delve maps? is there a way to target farm them? or is it just like do your 4 bountiful delves a day and pray you get lucky?

[rapid talon]

pray you get lucky

my friend got 1 out of 8 delves (2 chars) and i got 3/4 delves

[tired gull]

i've gotten 0 through 8

i've also gotten the same cloak from bountiful chest 3 times

[rapid talon]

oh that's rough

i'm not gonna gloat about what i got then

[tired gull]

hahaha

i have 4 equippable pieces, which is fair enough i guess

[rapid talon]

im only gonna say that i got a 610 crit versa neck with prismatic gem

[west willow]

i also got 3 cloaks

[haughty lantern]

i haven't done any bountiful tier 8s (i don't even have them unlocked yet, gonna do that when i get home) but what i DO have is an E G G from ara kara. Got that on my first try yesterday after getting a whole lot of NOTHING from raid

[haughty lantern]

now you just need 3 daggers

[west willow]

pugged normal raid, lost 2 pieces of tier back to back rolling 91 to a 92 :))))))))))))

[tired gull]

i'm down for 3 daggers

[haughty lantern]

gotta be like cursed halo

you picked up 3 plasma rifles and an extra arm

[tired gull]

oof

[haughty lantern]

this is tragic. you have my condolences.

[west willow]

bro i saw the 91 on the first one and i was like LETS GO

[limber lion]

That is pretty funny

[rapid talon]

im gonna go study the stats, embelishments and the bleed weakauras, seem like free info

[west willow]

then round 2

i hit it again

and im like okay 1 piece is fair

jk

kicked right in the balls

[waxen oyster]

pugging first week

[west willow]

i pug everything

[limber lion]

Not everyone is a mythic guild andy

[west willow]

usually pug aotc week 1/2, and pug all my keys

[rapid talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pug-shocked-surprised-what-turn-gif-5255913

[waxen oyster]

ok pugging keys sounds beyond aids

[haughty lantern]

depends on the level tbh

[waxen oyster]

idk any really

[haughty lantern]

reminds me of the time when all i did was zug tier 2 murozond's rise for the mounts

[fleet pagoda]

if the people around you are terminally grey parsers, pugging keys is wonderful

[waxen oyster]

lower level dungeons you have dps who lose to the tanks

[versed vector]

Say you're poor, which enchant should I use for both raid and M+? Depths or Radiant Power?

[haughty lantern]

soloed the entire thing as a prot warrior, i got every single mount except like 2 of em

[haughty lantern]

ONE OF EAAAACH you got 2 hands for a reason

[waxen oyster]

Say you're poor.

Lists the two most expensive

[rapid talon]

i got called a degenerate while pugging for dying in a delve 8 bountiful today so that was also nice

[fleet pagoda]

roleplay that you have both until the prices go down

[versed vector]

Hahaha best answer.

[limber lion]

The enchant prices are going down very fast

[versed vector]

True.

[limber lion]

If you're not in a rush, I would probably wait

[versed vector]

Sounds good.

[waxen oyster]

i soloed all of mine

[haughty lantern]

gigachad behavior

[waxen oyster]

the average pug player

is not worth grouping with

[haughty lantern]

altho i do think we need to spread the gospel of the new technique of TotTing brann

[somber nimbus]

xiani is always negative lol

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you get to pretend you're a hunter.

[limber lion]

Can't use tricks on him, if you don't spec em

[somber nimbus]

come on man

[haughty lantern]

that also reminds me, @waxen oyster do we have a specific build FOR delves? or is it just like m+ build + TotT

[somber nimbus]

trust your fellow wow players

[waxen oyster]

i mean hybrid

though i played outlaw for 3 of them

[haughty lantern]

MY BEASTS ARE MORE RELIABLE THAN LIKE 99% OF PUGS

[haughty flicker]

i trust the bear more

[somber nimbus]

hahaha

[waxen oyster]

except for pathing

[haughty lantern]

shhhhhhhh we don't talk about that

[waxen oyster]

we dont trust pet ai and pathing in world of warcraft

[coral agate]

Why won't this macro work? I keep getting "spell not learned"
#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

[limber lion]

Have you spec'd into Cold Blood?

[coral agate]

Yes

[limber lion]

This is also a Sub ability

[haughty lantern]

this was going to be my first question

[limber lion]

And you're asking in an Assassination chat

[coral agate]

I just realized I was in the wrong chat after I hit submit

[limber lion]

Are you trying to use Secret technique as an Assa?

Okay

lol

[split cipher]

Quick question - if I'm running VV, is the rule to not use Clear the Witness just in the opener or to completely ignore the proc?

[spice spire]

Ignore

[coral agate]

But it's the same issue I get with Evenom + CB

[waxen oyster]

Ignore unless you got aoe

ngl the clear the witnesses wa i yoinked from whispyr's pack doesnt even show the buff

if you're talented into VV

[haughty lantern]

now i got a question (specifically for us here in the sin channel)

what % of the population of sub rogues are just narruto weabs doing hand signs?

[limber lion]

It should definitely work

CB is not on the gcd, but Envenom is

[waxen oyster]

most of them are copers praying one patch sub is decently designed

[limber lion]

Same with Secret Technique

[waxen oyster]

while also shitting on outlaw for being a badly designed spec meanwhile

[limber lion]

You cannot just press it once during a gcd

Gotta press it after gcd is over or spam it

Should work fine

[coral agate]

I'm just trying to see if it procs CB at least but it won't do that

[limber lion]

Unless there's a typo there

[coral agate]

I shift clicked from the spell book specifically to avoid typos

[cloud nacelle]

There used to be a site back in SL, that you imported a log and it would summarize what you did wrong and what you fucked up.. is that site still around?

[fleet pagoda]

I just learned some macro making tech

[limber lion]

Try reloading

[flint tusk]

Can happily say DS mark is a pain on some of those raid bosses

[waxen oyster]

i type in all my spells manually

[limber lion]

Reloading fixed it for someone else

/reload

[spice spire]

Wow analyzer and it’s not current afaik

[waxen oyster]

if you want to play making sin extra spicy

type out /cast mutilate

mid boss

[flint tusk]

pfft the names? why not the ability ID's from memory

[cloud nacelle]

ty my man

[haughty lantern]

Become typing of the dead

[high mantle]

I'm looking for a new rogue WA package, Ive been using Afenar's but looks like it didn't get updated for war within. Anyone have any recs?

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty lantern]

Speed type all of your spells MID COMBAT WHILE MOVING

[limber lion]

Whispyr or LE's are personal recommendations

[sudden phoenix]

Yall crafted bracers first?

[haughty lantern]

Bracers then belt

[high mantle]

Thanks!

[solid venture]

ahh man losing DN mark feels so bad in this raid.. there should be another way to keep it up outside of envenom or maybe even another way to reapply it without vanish > ambush

[limber lion]

Np

[dusk fox]

What build is everyone using? In Fuuus guide it says Deathstalker, DTB and Indiscriminate Carnage. While the guide recommends DS, IC and Sudden Demise. Just want to see peoples opinions.

[limber lion]

Another coin added to my Fatebound > DS jar

[solid venture]

DS stan till the day i die

[limber lion]

Sudden Demise for lower keys definitely

[short fox]

are we upgrading the gear?

[waxen oyster]

no reason to spark craft this week

[tired gull]

i cba to deal with ds tonight, just sitting fb

[limber lion]

Or lower tier dungeons in general

[clever perch]

which piece of tier

do we break for?

[limber lion]

!tierbreak

[prisma monolith]

You will not want to break your tier until roughly 40 or 50 item levels above your tier set, at which point you should simulate yourself through top gear to get direct, accurate answers. This is highly dependant on your gear as a character so make sure you check with a sim first before swapping/deleting gear

[limber lion]

Idk what the question is

[sudden phoenix]

Bracers with crit mastery yeah

[waxen oyster]

you can craft with any stats really for sin

[undone flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ggCarwDQudqxqpKJvrTXtN the reson knife trinket beats egg is cuz of my use trinked right?

[alpine garden]

Welp I came third in a LFR boss so I'm happy so far

[haughty flicker]

huge

[limber lion]

Yes, Candlestick + Knife better than Egg

So Egg sims worse

[clever perch]

with bis gear

what piece of tier do we replace with non-tier

[visual hemlock]

assa is so weak in raids holly

[undone flame]

ah okay i felt bad for not giveing the trinket to somone else (the egg)

[tired gull]

no it's not

[waxen oyster]

You can trade in delves?

[subtle tundra]

well it is pretty weak

[tired gull]

no it's not

[subtle tundra]

and weaker than either two sppecs

[waxen oyster]

I'm playing outlaw on ovinaxx

[visual hemlock]

sub and outlaw just nuke down whole bosses

[vivid crown]

well boys i've done it

0% haste

[limber lion]

gg

[haughty flicker]

the dream

[strange python]

what embellishment should i craft when im raiding and doing m+?

[limber lion]

Pins

!embellish

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[clever perch]

so no one knows?

[strange python]

so since i got wrists and do raid+mp i should go belt, thx

[waxen oyster]

Probably highest ilvl

[fervent rune]

Is outlaw going to be the go to raid spec this tier for rogues?

[sturdy stirrup]

can i share my log and someone can look at it if possible please i need advice

[sudden phoenix]

You can only craft 606 this week?

[clever perch]

yea i guess no one knows which 5th piece from tier we remove for a non-tier piece

[waxen oyster]

I mean sin doesnt care for its stats

so that really depends on the rest of your gear

[rotund oak]

my money is on engi head with healing injector

[waxen oyster]

does the endboss drop higher ilvl again

[haughty flicker]

wtf is a healing injector

[limber lion]

There's really no real answer

[rotund oak]

idk we stopped on the ghuun boss

[limber lion]

It really depends on what other gear you have

[rotund oak]

so much lag in there

1 year old SSD and 17 fps

[limber lion]

There's no reason to even think about anything like that without having fully decked out max ilvl gear

[haughty flicker]

last two seem to drop same ilvl

higher than rest of raid by a bit

[waxen oyster]

like a higher track

or just higher base

[rotund oak]

its hero track bro

myth track is on myth

[lost wharf]

The wowhead Hybrid build runs Iron Wire, but it doesn't need it for the path. I get that it is very useful utility wise, but couldn't you just drop it for some other talent that gives you more dps?

[waxen oyster]

so its not on the weird "very rare" track

[tired gull]

dropping iron wire for 0.0001% dps in m+ is a bit silly

[limber lion]

Iron Wire is super strong and there's really no other good choice that you would benefit a lot from

Would not ever recommend dropping it in a mythic+ build

[waxen oyster]

if you wanted to do more damage why are you playing melee

[grave blade]

Are we cooked bros? Do we go outlaw now?

[waxen oyster]

/j

[limber lion]

If dropping that point would allow you to take anything of value, then sure, but there's really nothing

[limber lion]

Yes please do

[grave blade]

We're bottom tier bummin it. We need buiffs.

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i meant very rare generally is on an even higher track

[subtle tundra]

well we arent doing very well so far but its still very early to come to conclusions and shit

just play the goddamn game

[grave blade]

It's over bros

[waxen oyster]

I just play whatever spec is good

[grave blade]

Rerolling to outlaw to pump now

[waxen oyster]

and laugh at sub players who pretend their spec isnt designed by donkeys

[grave blade]

Same

[subtle tundra]

ok -> #outlaw bye

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[cobalt sphinx]

I think sin is more middling than bottom tier

[hollow mantle]

i have all this trinkets near 600 ilvl i just keep runing sims and The ritual Knife and Candle simming better than Transmitter and sacbrood

[sudden phoenix]

Rotation quetion: Ive got it pretty much down pat.. but during Deathmark and KB do I vanish Garrote towards the end? AND is it worth rupturing in that window too? or just spam envenom

[lost wharf]

Okay, I wasn't sure how much dps gain things like the 5% extra poison application or the 30% extra crit for a few sec from master assassin.

[waxen oyster]

sub players calling outlaw a badly designed spec

"i have 6-7 cooldowns that don't align"

[cobalt sphinx]

What are you gonna do about it

[limber lion]

MA is very awful with nerfs to KB and removal of Shadow Dance. IP is decent, but only around 1% or something

[sturdy stirrup]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d8AhvtrHPkCMKDqZ#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=23 need help please what im doing wrong

[limber lion]

It's not really something noticeable

[hollow mantle]

prolly cry

[cobalt sphinx]

I heard transmitter makes you do some goofy ass minigame is that true

[sudden phoenix]

your KB damage seems vlow.. are you shiving then spamming envenom during that time

and saving ur tea to gain energy then?

[hollow mantle]

yea and you need to do that minigame before your cds

[woven knoll]

is it worth crontrolling energy for Sanguine Blades?

[hearty pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Well there isnt much else to do on sub

[limber lion]

If by controlling energy you mean staying below 50%, then yes

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grim jay]

Brew already is pretty zZzZ

[crisp stream]

Anyone know how to fix the deathmark macro with potion

[limber lion]

What do you mean by fix?

It's just
/cast Deathmark
/use Potion

[sturdy stirrup]

i think i did it but not sure first time playing sin

[limber lion]

And the name of the potion

[woven torrent]

Can someone help me with pooling?
i press envenom build up to 5 cb with mutilate for example , when im at 5 combo points im just waiting until i reached a certain enegery threshhold and then repeat ? and all i do it loop it for the entire ST fight ???

[somber nimbus]

is it just me or these delves at 8 hitting pretty hard

[slow helm]

double regicide

[waxen oyster]

Yeah welcome to playing the worst solo class.

[somber nimbus]

i cant do shit in theis delve

[thick sable]

Is double Dawnthread embellishment bugged? I crafted both and it's not stacking. The buff and stats only reflect it as if it's one

[somber nimbus]

this

[ashen rover]

You're pretty undergeared too

[limber lion]

Not really super relevant anymore with old 4p gone and we don't really play the new version of it

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[waxen oyster]

I think we're the only melee that doesnt have a heal on mob killed.

[somber nimbus]

im getting trucked

[waxen oyster]

mechanic

[woven knoll]

in that case, i should stay sanguine talented or better 2 points in vicious venoms?

[limber lion]

VV is better for single target

But only for single target

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire my sims are looking cute now

[limber lion]

if you have more targets, it's worse

[woven knoll]

got it

[gritty laurel]

drop yourself below the hp threshold, when you heal back up it should show both stacking like it should

[zealous wolf]

Get belown80% hp and heal up

It will work after

[thick sable]

Confirmed. Thanks ^

[somber nimbus]

im just kiting my adds in delves

while bran does the work

this is silly

[rotund oak]

#Showtooltip Deathmark
/Cast Deathmark
/Use Tempered potion

[somber nimbus]

otherwise i die in 3 melees

[vocal basalt]

Bro devles feel so bad LOL

[rotund oak]

they are easy af

[spice spire]

You’re not doing anything super noticeable wrong. Few things I’d fix on this one specifically

[somber nimbus]

they need to tune this for non tank players

[rotund oak]

wdym bad

[somber nimbus]

tanks have it easy

[rotund oak]

everyone has it easy

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah man i just one-shotted everything in a t16 delve, yall are just noobs

[spice spire]

Since you ended up not being able to get a final kb window, I’d have just sent shivs as you got them

At the very end

Outside of that

Like

[sturdy stirrup]

really ? i thought im doing something wrong because i got gapped by 575 ilvl outlaw lol

[cobalt sphinx]

I got an ilvl 701 piece out of the t19 delve i just did, shit was easy

[rotund oak]

i soloed everything with my 581ilvl alt mage and then t8s on my rogue

[sturdy stirrup]

not this one but

[rotund oak]

go fungal delve and pull everything into spores

nova them

let them explode

win

u dont even have to do dmg

[vocal basalt]

So its easy when you exploit it

[thorn fjord]

im telling dad @rotund oak

[vocal basalt]

How about doing it normally

[rotund oak]

exploit?

[cobalt sphinx]

That is normal

[glass hemlock]

Is doing the T8 delves best for gearing? Combination of delves and m0? I’m not getting as much time to play as I want cause works so bloody busy and need some advice from my rogue nerd friends

[rotund oak]

do u know what exploit means

[spice spire]

I also see you’re not doing the vanish tech

[cobalt sphinx]

But it is pretty obtuse to be pretending delves aren’t hard for anyone

[thorn fjord]

means 4 day ban

[spice spire]

That could be a bit

[runic hinge]

Ban this

[indigo ginkgo]

whats is the easiest delve for us ?

[kind falcon]

I'm not sure I understand the wording with the pooling command- "For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker." Does that mean, as Fatebound rogue, I want to Sanguine Blades or stick with Vicious Venoms?

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

bro doesnt understand the game,im exploiting game mechanics created for that purpose

[thorn fjord]

FOUR DAY BAN

[rotund oak]

[cobalt sphinx]

Takrethan abyss was very easy for t4-t7 for me, only have to kill 2-3 packs and do the rest with sap

[vocal basalt]

8 year ban

[thorn fjord]

With a little

[rotund oak]

ive got a heroic boe drop btw

[vocal basalt]

For existing

[rotund oak]

already sold for 3mil

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[waxen oyster]

you can tricks bran

and let him tank for you

[rotund oak]

bran is healer

no need to tank anything

[waxen oyster]

or you can group up

im pretty sure blizz's suggested ilvl for t8 is over 600

though

[rotund oak]

or u can just slow the spores and explode dem lizards and shrooms

just loot

5min runs

[waxen oyster]

vdh "tank"

sometimes i look at vdh dam and remind myself

this is a tank

btw

[balmy condor]

I emergency fixed the import cause CT ain’t it

[rotund oak]

vdh

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is more fun

gameplay wise

[spice spire]

God I love you

[waxen oyster]

also some healers shit the bed

seeing vdh hp pools yoyo

[spice spire]

@real pike

[rotund oak]

i love u more than quake

[spice spire]

Simp

[limber lion]

[rotund oak]

😂

[waxen oyster]

Im pretty sure blizz's suggested delve ilvl

is for their average players though

[sinful elk]

you can do t8 takrethan in like 6mins

1st - box on the way in
boxes 2 3 4 - can all be looted without actually fighting anything at all
box 5 - is usually just a 3 mob pack on the ramp up toward robot
box 6 - blind the mobs next to robot suit, pick it up, use item, jump in robot
gg

[serene wyvern]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

Rogue is like the only melee that doesnt get a free heal

on killing blows

[spice spire]

Dw we get crimson vial

[limber lion]

Bring back old CV

[cobalt sphinx]

the fungal boss you actually have to play pretty well to survive

[sinful elk]

Got to Puppet Master in Spiral Weave with 5 lives.

Died to that fucking swarm 5 times in a row

Well, the 2nd swarm each time.

[young hollow]

Did you Feint a bunch

[cobalt sphinx]

and i think the waterworks boss just... blasts the whole room for millions?

[sinful elk]

died through feint

cloak works a treat for the 1st one.. but the 2nd just owns me

[young hollow]

You have Brann set as a healer?

idk it chunks me yeah but I cloak one and potion the other

[sinful elk]

Yeah Ive been a huge noob not taking potions to any delves

That wouldve got me done

brb buying 100

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah the potions are really cheap and heal 3m+

you should have a bunch if you were WAXMAXXING

[young hollow]

Also food buff, AND it stacks with Branns food buff

[waxen oyster]

the cavedweller pots suck

[sinful elk]

cheap cause every other class in the fkn game has 14 heals and a pet

[waxen oyster]

they put your dps pots on cd

[young hollow]

Also Bandages

[cobalt sphinx]

[young dust]

is there a WA or is it possible to create to track sudden demise threshold on current target?

[cobalt sphinx]

bandages are still in the game

[young hollow]

Yeah, tailors make them now

[limber lion]

No

There's too many internal conditions in play from mob health, zoldyck effect, bleed damage, bleed duration etc. etc. etc.

There is no way to track when it will happen.

And as a skill it's pretty inconsistent anyways

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

[cedar hatch]

Today was a good day

[young dust]

got it

[grave blade]

When assass buff. We doomin. 🙏

[limber lion]

Would be pretty sick though if you could

[limber lion]

chill brother

legit been 1 day

[young dust]

yeah but i can imagine it being very cpu intensive

[grave blade]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-panic-gif-13346623

Outlaw rogues rubbing it out to our low dps as they are feeling like superior chads rn

[young hollow]

We need a rework bad, but we're not dumpstertown garbage. If you're doing poorly, that might be a you issue

[young dust]

is that the pvp weapon?

[kind falcon]

is the !pooling command suggesting you use sanguine blades on fatebound or am I misunderstanding it?

[waxen oyster]

spec doesnt need a rework

sin is the only spec of rogue that has a non shambles design

[grave blade]

Needs a 25% buff

[waxen oyster]

That's not design

that's tuning

[grave blade]

[waxen oyster]

a spec being designed well is honestly more important

than number tuned well

[young hollow]

Rework was the wrong word yeah,

[limber lion]

Yes

[young hollow]

Cleave feels SO much better than it did in DF too

[kind falcon]

Thank you

[limber lion]

Deathstalker benefits from VV so much so it makes sense to drop Sang

[waxen oyster]

Like sub is lowkey deadge in november.

If they dont give them something

[still tree]

oh you can go in a delve as sub/outlaw and apply the one hour tricks to brann, then swap to sin

that's pretty funny

[spice spire]

That’s actually hilarious

[runic hinge]

Oh damn. I’m doing that

[queen egret]

when we fail to chain envenoms cause of energy starvation, how long do we wait untill we begin again?

what energy do we need to get to

[young hollow]

No way they don't change that. Get it while you can lol

[median grove]

Do you guys know great assa streamers ?

[strange python]

wait people can group in delves??

[normal mist]

yes

[young hollow]

Oh my yes

ALSO being ressed by a healer in your group doesn't count toward deaths

[strange python]

im out here struggling trying to solo these level 8s

thats craaazy wow

[young hollow]

Bring a Blood DK or a Havoc DH, it's what I've been doing and it's so easy

[balmy condor]

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[strange python]

lol

[tribal verge]

seeing talk of energy starvation, raided last night as a rogue for the first time and it was my number 1 complaint..so im not as mad now seeing its a spec thing, not a "i suck" thing

[cold parcel]

@balmy condor since you usually know best, I have to ask.. I look at that dps spreadsheet and it seems like Outlaw is superior to Assassination. However, on the so called tier lists, Assassination is being ranked S tier and the rest pretty low... Why is that the case and what is the best spec in your opinion for Myth + and then Raid?

[cobalt sphinx]

Tier lists exist to farm clicks

[balmy condor]

Assa does big aoe and has iron wire

But also that

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Be a gigachad and play Assa for raid and Assa for mythic+

[spice spire]

Yes man

[limber lion]

Spreadsheet, tierlists, logs

fuck em all

Play Assa well and dominate

Instead of sucking ass at Outlaw

[tribal verge]

thank you

[queen egret]

@balmy condor i dont see anywhere in guides, wowhead or your videos where you go indepth about pooling; eg. what is the energy level we want to reach before starting to cast again

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[vocal basalt]

Eventually we'll be top again

and then people will complain again, and then we'll be bottom

[queen egret]

This dosent answer the question tho

neither does the wow head guide

[limber lion]

Looks pretty clear to me

[spice spire]

It’s literally

Answered

[limber lion]

Literally says the numbers

And for which spec

[kind falcon]

so even during kingsbane I want to play for envenom uptime? I thought I was supposed to spam envenoms for big damage during kingsbane

[sick bridge]

That's not what he's asking though

[spice spire]

Never bottomed a day in my life big dog

[queen egret]

that is not waht i am asking

[sick bridge]

He's asking how high to pool before starting to mutilate again

[limber lion]

There is no energy level that you "reach" before you press an ability

That is not a thing that we do

[queen egret]

How is that not a thing we do?

[limber lion]

Read the command

It says "maximize Envenom uptime"

[queen egret]

if you constantly starve your energy, u cant chain envenoms?

[balmy condor]

I think the actual number is like 20%

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Which is to say

We don’t

[limber lion]

The command doesn't say you need to spam

[runic hinge]

Okay

[cold parcel]

what is an iron wire?

[limber lion]

There is no chaining of Envenoms anymore

You just maximize the uptime

Unless you play the chain talent

[spice spire]

Talent we take that silences when garrote from stealth

[sullen phoenix]

anyone know what breaks our stealth in mist of tirna scythe after we pass the flower rooms ?

[limber lion]

And it doesn't matter if you do a 5s Envenom now and a 5s Envenom right after

Or wait 3 seconds in between them

The result is still 10s of Envenom

[spice spire]

Do you have a pot rolling?

[runic hinge]

Quake what hero talents are you playing rn

[balmy condor]

It is made of low carbon steel wire after annealing and softening treatment, and then cold drawing. Good flexibility, slightly higher hardness, bright appearance. Main use: Mainly used for the welding of metal mesh weaving process, welded wire mesh and craft products.

Or it’s a talent assa has on the right side

[spice spire]

That’s one thing I’ve seen

[queen egret]

so the key thing is to not overlap outside of cds?

[spice spire]

DS

[limber lion]

Yes

[cold parcel]

LOL I saw that after I asked you

[queen egret]

overlap envenom uptime

[sullen phoenix]

no tbh

[limber lion]

You can overlap a bit because it pandemics

But you do not spam them

[queen egret]

y

[spice spire]

0 idea then rn

[queen egret]

only inside KB right?

there we spam

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

But you’re not the first I’ve seen complain about it real

[balmy condor]

The mobs spawning

[spice spire]

So it might be

Oh

Really?

[queen egret]

is it ok to use 2 charges of tea in KB?

[balmy condor]

It’s always done that

[limber lion]

No

You either use 0 or 1

[sullen phoenix]

damn that sucks... ty..

[queen egret]

kk

[limber lion]

You use it for energy during Shiv

[balmy condor]

Yes, on non dm kb’s you do

You just gotta use the first early

[queen egret]

hm

[limber lion]

If you can get rid of energy fast enough and start low energy, then yeah

As long as you get max energy from it and do not overlap the buff

It's fine

[queen egret]

guide on wowhead does nto mention 2x tea

[limber lion]

@balmy condor Why does Improved Garrote builds not do the Vanish into Ambush thing that non-improved ones do now?

Why wouldn't they just Vanish - Ambush - Gar

[balmy condor]

Does it need to? It says tea during shiv for energy

[balmy condor]

Sure

[novel star]

it’d be worse if it did no?

[balmy condor]

Timing that after your opener

Is impossible

But yeh go for it

[molten cosmos]

Hello there I have a question regarding the BiS list. I wanted to know if the craft with the Ascension embelish + nerubian on wrist isn't better than double craft with the secondary stat and double Regicide?

[novel star]

cuz u could get lucky blindsides and people are dum

[limber lion]

I mean, I have no clue that's why I'm asking

But okay

[spice surge]

It didnt really matter much when i checked

[balmy condor]

Yeah it only lines up for opener

[limber lion]

Seemed odd to me that it was for non-IG builds only

Fair enough

[spice surge]

Like ye getting an extra stack is good, but it messes with the imp garrote timing

[balmy condor]

It’s just jank

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vivid crown]

@balmy condor have you seen anything about Harvester's Edict being bugged? Or the proc rate being so low it's non-functional?

[cedar hatch]

nope hc regicide

[balmy condor]

Yes, it doesn’t trigger off melee hits

[vivid crown]

Ahhh

So it's worthless

Gr8

Is that intended? Seems like it shouldn't drop for melee

[spice surge]

[queen egret]

btw, when i open in raids with: Ambush -> Gar -> Rupture, it often results in a 4cp rupture, forcing me to have to rupture during KB DM window - is this a mistake on my end somewhere?

[limber lion]

It's fine

[balmy condor]

Mut again

[limber lion]

Reapplying bleeds during DM is completely fine

[queen egret]

so its fine to send 4cp rupture?

[limber lion]

If you have Envenom up the entire time, it doesn't really change anything

[queen egret]

in opener?

[limber lion]

Yes, but you probs want to get to 5+ to proc the mark on DS

[queen egret]

which would be the only instance where that ok right?

[limber lion]

Yes, always use 5+ cp on finishers

Except Slice

[mint valve]

does the m+ build typically run 1 shiv charge?

[limber lion]

I would just mutilate before the Rupture personally

On 4CP

[queen egret]

ok last question hopefully someone can help with - why does teh wowhead guiide say we need to vanish to apply mark during KB DM window in the opener, when we already have mark applied?

[limber lion]

Ye

[limber lion]

Because you don't

[mint valve]

do you shiv before kingsbane? or at towards the end of it if you only ahve 1 charge?

[queen egret]

we have mark from the ambush no?

first global

[spice surge]

If you apply a 3 stack mark when you have darkest night up

[limber lion]

This Envenom right here procs DN

[balmy condor]

At the end

[limber lion]

So you Vanish right after procing the last mark

[spice surge]

Youll bring it down to 2 with your DN envenom

[limber lion]

Then insta apply a new mark

[queen egret]

not sure i understand

why doesnt the circle just continue

like normally

[spice surge]

It does

You just get it faster

[queen egret]

why do we have to reapply

ah ok

[limber lion]

There's no other use for Vanish

So might as well

[queen egret]

makes sense

thanks for clearing that up

[viral spire]

wehre is this image from

[spice surge]

Wowhead

[normal mist]

Guys im raiding normal

[grand trail]

asking for friend how is ring craft for assa?

[normal mist]

i'm getting 1 item every boss

BUT THEY ALL SUCK

[ashen rover]

Got nothing in normal

[haughty flicker]

i got an offspec weapon

surely one of the last two bosses gives me something right

[ashen rover]

Surely all my luck is going to heroic !!!

[normal mist]

same, first boss fist weapon

[grand trail]

i got staff

from heroic

[haughty flicker]

im going to have to pug heroic

how far do you think im gonna get week 1

what are the bosses looking like

[sick bridge]

I keep becoming unable to auto attack in delves, does anyone know what causes it?

[runic hinge]

I macroed /stop attack in all your abilities

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah your gear is broken because delves are that bad

[balmy condor]

Maybe your character is just shy

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

Probably 4 bosses, ghuun2 seems like it requires too much effort

[haughty flicker]

yeah im not even attempting ghuun this week

maybe nexus princess though

5 might be doable

[sudden trench]

@balmy condor started crafting with Sparks yet?

[balmy condor]

You can yeah

[balmy condor]

Ghuun was aight but you need everyone knowing what they’re doing

Which for most raids is uh

Tall task

[spice surge]

Well ye i was talking about pugging

[sudden trench]

hard to figure out what to craft if i multi spec law and sin xD

[inner rapids]

we stopped playing with 3 anima charged CP in M+ ?

i see 2 points in lethality

[nocturne mortar]

Dagger spark is safe ?

[grand trail]

brood must be hard for pugs

[haughty flicker]

its going to be cursed

[jaunty basin]

wa and plater profiles plz

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[jaunty basin]

ty

[balmy condor]

Ye that’s fine

[junior sandal]

Or be like me and craft dagger just to drop both daggers from raid immediately after 🫣

[indigo ginkgo]

why the ~fuck we vanishj and brand starts atakinfg all shiit

[shy crow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[shadow quiver]

Is this a decent trinket for us?

[grand trail]

ye

[shadow quiver]

Rn i have Empowering crystal at 584

[hushed marten]

should i spend my catalyst?

[willow cloud]

so like, if done raid, should we just spam delves till we get 3 maps for the week? Seems kinda lame (i haven't full cleared both raids, but pugging options are slim)

[shadow quiver]

Do you think it would be better to use the 603 trinket over the other one? its like 400 ag

[grand trail]

no idea

would put it in raidbot

where the maps drops

i saw none so far

[sick bridge]

Holy shit it's Bran's shield

You can't auto attack when it's on???

[shadow quiver]

ive got 2 trinkets so far

sadge

[queen widget]

whats the meta spec rn for dungeons assa?

link/code?

[shadow quiver]

CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPjZmZGmxyMAAAAAAMLD2mBAAAAAg2WmZGegZGMzMLzyYMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWCWGmADLA

[ashen rover]

Yeah cause ER is still bugged with DS

[queen widget]

ty

[haughty flicker]

is it just me

or is court just ornstein and smough

[distant monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[queen widget]

why deathstalker for dungeon tho

thought it was fatebound

[honest needle]

should i be upgrading my 593 and 603 gear or should i be saving my crests ?

[royal lantern]

i mean, its normal crests

[shadow quiver]

Btw thats m+ talents

[reef axle]

I played deathstalker in mythics, was doing far more dmg than fatebound

[royal lantern]

you wont use them for heroic and higher gear

[queen widget]

yup what i needed

[shadow quiver]

Nha fatebound is just worse

[royal lantern]

thats not true but ok

the choice is just not a big impact for assa

[shadow quiver]

Perfect from echo says otherwise

[runic hinge]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[royal lantern]

oh no, random guy from echo says something

[slate crown]

yo we got changes

[runic hinge]

Didn’t we watch echo rogues vanish for kb instead of dance with kb all of s3 race

[royal lantern]

ayo?

[slate crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-new-resto-druid-talents-tail-swipe-346611?utm_source=discord-webhook

[novel star]

oh edge case change is nice

[tall jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[slate crown]

I have yet to read any of this but it do be changes

[novel star]

actually nvm that doesn’t really remove cb macro

you just press unmacrod envenom one time instead of twice

[runic hinge]

Tell me what the subterfuge change means rn

[uneven plume]

Explain these changes in normal terms someone

[runic hinge]

Pls green name I need to know

[royal lantern]

ita good changes

BUT

MA getting reduced again made me chuckle

[fleet pagoda]

6 seconds of MA holy

[limber lion]

LMAOOO

[slate crown]

I just got a text and have to respond

[thorny harness]

i dont understand this subterfuge change

[slate crown]

fuck I want to read these but ICan't

I hope I'm not missing the juicy stuff

[limber lion]

Fix bugs? Fuck that

We'll just remove the talent entirely

[real pike]

Ahhh makes sense, I did think during the fight I'm not sure I'm benefitting that much from it

[broken swift]

!craft

[royal lantern]

kinda based tbh

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

So much easier tbh

[novel star]

ER out kinda based

[real pike]

It's great on broodkeeper tho

[royal lantern]

and the fatebound change will probs "remove" the "use dm->normal envenom" thing

[shadow quiver]

Rather listen to RWF than some random on discord

[novel star]

yes but no

[runic hinge]

12 seconds?

[steel jay]

are we able to get 2nd spark now or is that next week?

[novel star]

because you still need a nkrmal envenom before deathmark

[royal lantern]

but would still like if tea would just be a choice node bettwen the passive activation one and a fully manual one

[novel star]

or else you get 1 edge case reflip

instead of 2

[royal lantern]

ye sure

[runic hinge]

Because you could add 6 seconds with subterfuge

[royal lantern]

but makes it a bit less weird allready

[novel star]

so the problem of 2 envenom binds isn’t actually solved at all

doesn’t matter if you use the bind 2 1 or 3 times

[junior aurora]

100% crit chance ma is in my dreams is that too big

[novel star]

you still have to and it’s cringe

[limber lion]

Okay the Subterfuge change is really good

[cobalt sphinx]

Are we going double vanish

[limber lion]

That's pretty dank

[cobalt sphinx]

[limber lion]

12s of MA, IG and IC

[tawny geyser]

Dont let Whispyr catch you saying that

[balmy condor]

Maybe dream smaller

[limber lion]

[pliant remnant]

Uh oh

He has been summoned

[novel star]

12s ic is actually fucked

[balmy condor]

I mean with subterfuge doing something now it’s reasonable

[runic hinge]

Yeah 24 seconds of imp garrote

[limber lion]

Very surprised it didn't see the hammer

[runic hinge]

I’m never pressing anything but garrote again

[royal lantern]

yeha, you are right, im sorry, playing cringebound is trolling and cringestalker is the only choice you can make, i will now go into a corner and be ashamed of myself for DARING to say that a random sidenote from some random Workd First guy is maybe not really true

[junior aurora]

infinite imp garrote

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

I don't think that's how it works

[runic hinge]

I’m dreaming big

[royal lantern]

how big

[limber lion]

Very bigly yes yes

[tawny geyser]

Yeah I'm still reading the new stuff. Many changes almost everyday lol...
Oh btw, did you Spark up anything yet? I still hold both of mine 😂 waiting for your update.

[novel star]

the randoms on discord are generally parroting actual theorycrafters and the rwf gamer is either making up some shit because he gets his credibility from skill alone or is just saying things you can’t understand

[brittle cloud]

Heyo. Is ascension on dagger just as good if it’s on offhand?

[limber lion]

Hopefully the Supercharger talent only targets like 3+ cp or better yet 5+

If it lands on 2, that's a bit fucked

[visual flume]

Anyone got any ideas why vanishing isn’t working in Delves.

Doing Takrethan with Brann as Healer if that helps? 😵‍💫

[acoustic pagoda]

my mom says fatebound is cooler

[tepid charm]

Yeah mine too

[uneven plume]

Explain to me the ER changes like I’m a rwf raider

Someone

😂

[novel star]

shiv now has ER points

ER is a passive that makes them better

wow

[tawny geyser]

Cheap Shot 6 seconds lol...ez m+

[dusty zenith]

dawnthread lining on wrists a good option? or do I want ascension and banding

[uneven plume]

So does that mean I’m more meta than mage now?

[limber lion]

Lol if you think Assa presses that button in m+

[novel star]

No ur still melee get fucked

[tawny geyser]

It helps 😛

[novel star]

and it’s worse than ER

[bitter saddle]

Ain’t got time to press cheap shot

[uneven plume]

Arcane just got there burden of power nuked

[hearty reef]

am i reading it wrong, now carnage works only with subterfuge?

[uneven plume]

Their*

[junior aurora]

cool

this the rogue discord tho

[hexed canopy]

Did you Guys already craft Something with Omen Spark?

[acoustic pagoda]

you want pocket grenades