assassination

[cobalt sphinx]

maps come from bountiful chests and give you hero gear from delves afaik

[heady solstice]

Yeah i thought that was it but for some reason it never happened in heroics or M0 and it was pretty much the same scenario when i pulled first even without Tricks
Guess delve mobs are absolute chadlords and built different, attacking you 0.00001 seconds before you apply mark

[cobalt sphinx]

not sure how to get maps, had one guildie get 3 but a few of us got 0

[short fox]

ahhh

[fervent rune]

Maybe auto attack?

Make sure you don’t right click mob when approaching or it can happen

[broken lantern]

got 610 chest, 610 hands and lfr hands, is it more worth to transfer the chest to an tier item and use 610 chest with the 587 hands? or should i keep the 610/610 without 2 set bonus?

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/suspense-dramatic-drama-so-dramatic-gif-4887114113121005818

Me looking at all the deathstalker shenanigans

[tall jay]

i was given a Trecherous Transmitter in raid...anyone have a good "weakaura" for it? lol

[spring socket]

is outlaw that strong in raid or we dealing with a bit of sim bait?

[willow cloud]

I got an imperfect ascendency serum on veteran track, and it sims highest -- would i do the 1.5s channel before hitting deathmark?

[spice spire]

Yes

[outer sundial]

just good luck i guess, i got one yesterday

[willow cloud]

yeah,m i didn't get any yesterday, but got a drop earlier this am

[grim tangle]

is there a set bonus for using both candle trinkets?

[whole sand]

yeah its about -10k dps

[nova aspen]

why did u take candle

[midnight atlas]

decked out, better than ashes of embersoul

[subtle tundra]

wtf where from

hacker

[tawny pawn]

Are you guys gonna do this?

[midnight atlas]

from the weekly quest with the machine

[tawny pawn]

you can level that weapon all the way to 619

[willow cloud]

do we only use the maps in a bountiful, or it doesn't matter, and a non-bountiful gives same reward?

[cinder pebble]

Does the lining give more "stat" on waist over wrists?

[swift dagger]

Fatebound sims higher for me than DS at 5 min patchwerk. This isn't simbait right?

[tawny pawn]

hmm

it shouldnt i run 40k+ more dps with DS

thats weird

[willow cloud]

IMO, DS is much, much easier to get close to sim on a patchwerk for any boss fight where i won't have 100% uptime (which is basically everything)

[tawny pawn]

i feel very confortable with DS now

[cinder pebble]

You have more crit and less haste maybe? Thought DS a bit more haste and FB more crit reliant.

[tawny pawn]

its not as bad as people say it to be

even changing targets

[swift dagger]

actually a ton of haste, 7k haste 8.8k crit 6,3k mast

[stiff bronze]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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[cinder pebble]

How do you change the builds from wow? Just switch these?

[tawny pawn]

pooling with FB is annoying

[swift dagger]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cinder pebble]

And consuming Cap stone with DS is higher prio than any ER or Rupture?

[spice spire]

Yes tho rupture should never be a thing

[somber nimbus]

would like some clarification here

so if we have cds, arent we supposed to cast as many envenoms during the cd window

is this after cds wear out?

[runic hinge]

yes

[somber nimbus]

sorry yes what

[proven jasper]

thats what you do after cd’s

yes

[somber nimbus]

i see

so our goal is to cast as many envenoms during our cds then

[somber nimbus]

ty

also we shouldnt sit on 7 cps then, if we cap, we should use them even if its not during the final second of envenom

[pliant remnant]

I will never find true love again

[willow mirage]

!wq

[pliant remnant]

after being yanked out of stealth every 2 seconds in Mists maze

[willow mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[kind talon]

🙂 doing the things

no sac dropped today sadge

[pliant remnant]

[ember mural]

Wtff

I'll take 1 for off hand

[thorn fjord]

I must get rid of this stupid bee trinket

[soft surge]

can i craft some gear with my omen yet

[arctic socket]

I envy you

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-gif-14006288

[full estuary]

Hi guys, I'm looking for a weakaura for assa that tracks both scent of blood & caustic spatter. I may not search correctly but I haven't found it. Many thanks in advance 🙂

[fathom cove]

does numbing poison work on every boss?

[kind talon]

yeah only thing i need now from dungos is rings and necks. been unlucky in that dept

[sly sky]

Is assassinations performance tied to gear or why is outlaw doing so much more DMG based on preliminary rankings?

[scenic jetty]

Assasination performance is tied to blizzard

[sly sky]

I don't remember seeing them get nerfed, could it be that less people are playing it?

[barren river]

assa has way more players than both other rogues specs combined probably

[subtle tundra]

youd be surprised

balance matters way more

[sly sky]

It's definitely better for mythic plus

[subtle tundra]

if assa is bad and sub good everyone flocks to sub

[narrow basalt]

How is everyone doing in the raid damage wise?

[open mountain]

Do we ever use the anima charged combo points as deathstalker? Or just using echoing reprimand as a cheap hard hitting attack and forgetting about the anima charged combo points?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Whispyr’s does

[sly sky]

Sub is cool, but it's annoying trying to get everything done in shadow dance window is annoying

[subtle tundra]

its quite literally a dance

[quartz halo]

what's the easiest delve for us?

[sly sky]

You get disrupted in anyway and it feels bad

[strange python]

3rd point only

[keen nacelle]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[subtle tundra]

the window is short enough that even if you do you dont lose a big bunch

[sly sky]

There goes a missed secret tech

[open mountain]

Why 3rd point only?

[subtle tundra]

sec tech is early in the shadow dance afaik

[proven jasper]

1st or 2nd finisher always

so yea

[subtle tundra]

exactly, you cant really miss it

[steep crater]

whats the goto assassination raid spec+

[royal lantern]

allright, does somebody know why some of my old SL teleports apperantly vanished lol

[subtle tundra]

you exploited them and got rolled back

sucks to suck ig

[royal lantern]

like, only 5 teleportsy are still here, all others are gone????

tf

[lofty verge]

finally , i somehow got 500k, but in a delve, im assuming bronzebeard buffed me or something

[robust axle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[faint path]

waow

[dire ivy]

My best trinket is the 1,5s channel trinket (Imperfect Ascendancy Serum), do i use this at a different time since it channels or just the same time as any other on use?

[tired gull]

i use mine right before deathmark

[dire ivy]

thats what i thought too

but wasnt sure

[midnight atlas]

its like puzzlebox but with agility at least

[stoic shale]

Yo is there any difference or better choice on daggers between : Algarie mana oil or ironclaw whetstone

[midnight atlas]

and faster

[jaunty pawn]

Assassin > Outlaw in M+?

[spice spire]

Before dm

[sly sky]

Yes

[jaunty pawn]

I parse much higher both st and aoe at dummies with assassination so far

but my gear is slightly tuned ass statwise

[haughty flicker]

i think you might just be better at sin than you are outlaw

[broken lantern]

[jaunty pawn]

That might be...I would say slightly less bad 😄

[sly sky]

I was looking at the recent stats on warcraftlogs that's why I asked

There's a variety of caveats why they might look like that

[spice spire]

Our 2p is kind of whatever. You can if you want but it’s not like an omega necessity

[haughty flicker]

its ok im in the same situation lmao, been learning marksman hunter and i am not doing great

or rather, im just completely inconsistent lmao

[spice spire]

Blud it’s aimed shot.spec innit

[rose dirge]

guys

i have raid soon

is sub better than assa in st?

[spice spire]

Okay good luck

[rose dirge]

thanks ❤️

[spice spire]

Stats say yes

But

[haughty flicker]

basically ye

[spice spire]

Play what you want best because it’s been a day

[haughty flicker]

but they like

intentionally dont spend procs in trueshot

[sly sky]

Just tell them you need more gear like the mage and they need to funnel it to you

[rose dirge]

yeah im best with sub

[haughty flicker]

which throws me off because i always want to use those procs

[sly sky]

Problem solved

[spice spire]

That’s ele

[rose dirge]

but assa is kinda fun now

[haughty flicker]

well yeah

[rose dirge]

thanks for reply!

[haughty flicker]

but ele i just bind lightning bolt to scrollwheel

[random fossil]

whats the fastest delve out there

[haughty flicker]

and blast

[spice spire]

Sub looks slightly better pop off king.
But in the end both are more than fine

[rose dirge]

thanks my g

[spice spire]

Any time big dog

[spice spire]

You right

[rose dirge]

i refuse

[broken lantern]

okay ❤️ i stay with 610/610 for the moment, thanks

[rose dirge]

till the day i die, to play outlaw

[sly sky]

Sub seems like it's always the safe bet and you don't need a one handed sword

[rose dirge]

what a horrible spec holy moly

[sly sky]

It's like what I heard someone say in the outlaw channel, "it's never felt so good and so bad"

[spice spire]

Glhf big dog. I think numerically two piece is just under 1% gain? 4p total is like 3% that could be old data but last I saw (‘Monday) that was it

[spice spire]

[indigo ginkgo]

its 4 % drop chance on chests around the delve

[rose dirge]

guys are there any wpn enchants

that dont cost 8k? 😦

[uneven plume]

Transmitter best trinket hands down

[spice spire]

Not in NA

[random fossil]

also not in eu

[sly sky]

Use the old ones

[rose dirge]

and also im tired of pickpocketing mobs for wpn buffs, what is this game

[spice spire]

I got 30 and said I’m done

[rose dirge]

bubbling wax drop rate is so low X(

[sly sky]

Just go outside of dark flame cleft

[indigo mulch]

eu economy.

[random fossil]

u guys running brann dps or healer

[sly sky]

It went down

[uneven plume]

No wonder EU is perma in a shit hole

😂😂

[haughty flicker]

na is worse xd

although at least we arent being scammed on t1

holy fuck

eu crafters being degenerate

[rugged sphinx]

mana oil cheap alternative?

[uneven plume]

NA actually making money

[worthy timber]

do poisons and bleeds snapshot with mastery from tea?

[uneven plume]

EU is just being typical EU

[haughty flicker]

mana oil is significantly cheaper yeah

idk how much worse it is for sin

[somber nimbus]

so going back to this, why wouldnt it make sense to not delay envenom due to DM stacks? dont we want to get as many DMs?

[rugged sphinx]

is it the best alternative?

[haughty flicker]

i mean its better than nothing

[devout sphinx]

just use wax + df rune for heroic who cares lmao

[haughty flicker]

yeah df runes are still good too

[strange python]

when your single target and maintaining your envenom, therefore not spamming the fuck out of everything and draining your energy

is it normal to have periods of downtime where you let it tick a little bit?

before refreshing

[royal lantern]

do it in mythic aswell lmao

the difference is so fucking small

we talk about 0,1% shit here

[devout sphinx]

baseg

[sly sky]

I just spread rupture and see the meter expload

[haughty flicker]

theres no world where i ever spend 6k on a fucking consumable

thats for sure

[strange python]

is this bubbling wax real good?

or just a bait

[sly sky]

I went alchemy and now I have hours long potions

[void pecan]

It's easy to get and good, yes

[strange python]

only on mh , right

[void pecan]

Yeh

[strange python]

kk

[sly sky]

The first use of any weapon consumable applies to the main hand, correct?

[spice spire]

Plus I can use it as a crutch when my parses are shit

I played perfectly

[spice spire]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats always my excuse too

[cobalt sphinx]

anyone higher than me on the meters is a sweaty nerd popping t3 pots on an op class

getting pocket auged

[haughty flicker]

probably getting pi too

[spice spire]

AMEN

[cunning basin]

On God 🙏

[hollow mantle]

why this shit knife sims more thant my 606 Transmitter?

[main hemlock]

Where do I get bubbling wax from? its not buyable in AH?

[tawny geyser]

piles of dirt in the world

[haughty flicker]

bubbling wax is from pickpocketing kobolds

[spice spire]

You have to pickpocket kobolds

Have to complete quests first

[main hemlock]

is it the best alternative to whetstone ?

[vivid crown]

healer. i was doing t8 at 583 solo and tbh it's not worth the struggle and time. just get a tank and blast through your 4

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

you can use 1 bubbling wax

and it seems to be pretty good

but need something for offhand still

like discussed earlier, can just use a df rune or something with it

[mental plume]

we still waiting on crafts or is it safe to make belt and bracers?

[rotund field]

is this trinket good?

[hollow mantle]

you can craft em but wait for embellishment i think

[strange python]

soo do i use my catalyst to get a 2 piece since i got a piece off normal? also should i craft embellishment gear first for the carved crests? idk the most optimized way to spend anything

[mental plume]

oki cool cheers 🙂

[tired gull]

sim it, but it wasn't good when i simmed it

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that thing looks like dog

95k is like 1/10th of the damage you'd expect and passive crit is much worse than passive agi

you can always consult raidbots

on most things

it doesn't have scroll of momentum last time i checked

[true tartan]

Sims are broken no ? I think it push me to chosse item with haste/mastery instead of stats in the wowhead guide crit/mastery...

[cobalt sphinx]

[sturdy python]

anyone know is siphoning stiletto stacks x2?

sim says its the best for me

[indigo ginkgo]

do we still use fok in single target ?

[haughty flicker]

if you have viscious venoms talented, no

[tired gull]

if you don't have VV and have ctw

[haughty flicker]

otherwise yes

[true tartan]

yes with the buff

[cobalt sphinx]

haste is fine lol

[true tartan]

ok 🙂

[cobalt sphinx]

it might suck on multitarget though

[true tartan]

thx

[cobalt sphinx]

but single target it is competitive with crit and mastery

[true tartan]

thx for explanation @cobalt sphinx 🙂

[languid tide]

did you forget to switch loot or does delve ignore spec in the box?

[subtle tundra]

what was the command for pooling

!pool

[cobalt sphinx]

raid loot

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[subtle tundra]

thankies

[runic hinge]

yw!

[raven vapor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[west crown]

Is the Whispyr video on pooling from DF still accurate?

[sturdy python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Probably !pooling is current pooling bit as well

[tribal lichen]

Did I misunderstood or this is a BIG nerf to the crimson tempest?

[tired gull]

it's just a tooltip update

[runic hinge]

tooltip change

[empty citrus]

Good info, thanks

[void pecan]

You think they're going to tune embellishments on mythic week or do I just send it?

[west crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[willow cloud]

was able to solo kriegvals rest by fighting with evasion/cloak, then kiting till crap came back up, healer brann had enough output to keep me alive as long as i could get far enough away to avoid grab

[modest portal]

They ended up nerfing odd globs of wax right? 5valorstones per turnin and 25 turnins per week max?

[carmine shore]

Yep. Got owned, am sad.

At this point can we assume that Echoing Reprimand not interacting with Deathstalker's Mark is intentional?

[modest portal]

Makes sense though. Otherwise what is the point of a 2000 cap? They have been trying to clamp down on the "if it can be done, people will do it" behaviour

[cerulean nest]

mog going crazy

[carmine shore]

still would've loved that before we had 2 weeks to sit on our hands and they didn't say a peep about it and had already nerfed once, but its all good just a lil bitter 😛

[quasi steppe]

what talent builds to go with m0 this week?

[empty citrus]

I'm trying to navigate this discord and I just joined someone in the PvP tab of this discord told me to go to Pinned for builds and addons. I only found PvE guides on WoW head and Icy veins. Where would I find some good starter help for PvP material (PvP tab redirected me here so please don't tell me to go to the PvP tab 😅)

[celest helm]

Youtube or twitch, but pve is the same as pvp for assa rogue. Learn the class basics

[empty citrus]

So you don't swap up talent trees when switching between pvp and PvE content

[celest helm]

Check out guides on those platforms theyll be more details

[solid venture]

whats the opener on silken court boss? send everything on 1 boss at first or get garrote / rupture on 2nd targ?

[celest helm]

Pikabooirl, kavlish, nicktherogue. All great streamers

[empty citrus]

Appreciate the help HERO

[celest helm]

Always multi dot if you can fa sho

[empty citrus]

I did check Pikaboos channel but didn't see a guide up. I'll check some of those others too

[hexed frost]

Gar gar rup rup

[rancid night]

can someone give me assa rogue ST talents? my raid is starting : o

[acoustic roost]

Ooof bad prep

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Wowhead has them all

You can just copy and paste

[runic hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

Anyone know the %gain on the rogue sets?

[spice spire]

I know sin’s

It’s not pretty

[runic hinge]

like 4?

[spice spire]

1%/3%

[vivid crown]

awww yissss set bonus makin it rain

from my eyes 😢

[worldly nebula]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[tawny junco]

With the talent build with no empowered garrote we use vanish/mutilate before consuming the darkest night, right?

during burst

[spice spire]

Vanish ambush

But yes

[broken lantern]

is fatebound viable too? instead of deathstalker

[tawny junco]

Ye sry I meant that

[spice spire]

Yes

We even have a command for that (everything)

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[broken lantern]

i see O: because the sim is so much lower than deathstalker but the gameplay is "easier"

[raven vapor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[spice spire]

Yep. If you fumble stalker could be worse as well, just play whichever you like more

[broken lantern]

❤️ thankies

[spice spire]

Any time big dog glhf

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

My goat..

[waxen oyster]

tempered potions pull you out of stealth

[spice spire]

That may be the issue that’s popped up

[waxen oyster]

didnt want dsm anyway

[real pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[strange python]

nicee

[languid tide]

only thing good i got in 8 m0 and a chest with bis stats all other items pretty bad

[cobalt sphinx]

i got 3 items in 8 runs

i think average should be 7-8 items

[slim pebble]

I got 3 items in normal raid yesterday. Hoping the daggers drop in heroic tonight cause I’m pretty sure I’m only dagger rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

bro posts a sad cat after getting bis chest and trinket

[rich parrot]

the first raid boss we play single target build ?

[languid tide]

2/11 ist sad 🤣

[strange python]

go do raid and then be happy

[languid tide]

dont think i am going to be raiding much just came back , just having fun getting destroyed in solo lvl 8 delves

[uneven plume]

Are the treasure seekers epaults from delves?

[devout sphinx]

unless u want to try padding on irrelevant adds, yes

[strange python]

the deathstalker single target raid talents do not take improved garrote - so vanish garrote not needed right?

talents on wowhead

[limpid ermine]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[autumn agate]

Looking at WCL it seems assa is underperforming in the raid vs Outlaw / Sub, I thought it was onpar with both of them for ST?

[lost hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strong wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real pike]

yoo I'm confused, wowhead guide says CT for bloodhound but the build you can copy the string of doesn't have it in, anyone know which is correct?

[mighty urchin]

maybe a silly little question, but are tinker slots worth it?

[novel storm]

is tricks of trade not working 1h with talent on brann?

[subtle drift]

This dagger is not listed anywhere, does it suck? Or isn't it upgradable?

[gleaming geyser]

it is listed in the guide; it sucks

[subtle drift]

Oh, there.

Ty

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1264766727334527089.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[arctic socket]

George my beloved

[lost hamlet]

yeah what the hell

I was promised gas to cook with

[steel sable]

is there anything to tier list on warcraftlogs.com? shows us performing pretty low in heroic

[gleaming geyser]

''promised''

[worthy timber]

do poisons and bleeds snapshot with mastery from tea?

[lost hamlet]

jokes on them, I prefer outlaw.

[gleaming geyser]

go get em tiger pirate

[arctic socket]

I believe when more people get optimal gear for sin it will hopefully pull ahead of steady out with the other specs

[spice spire]

It will be middle of the pack likely overall it was foretold from the beginning

[arctic socket]

If I get the fist wep

Imma become a yellow name

[spice spire]

Death

[unique plume]

If your Deathmark drops off and you ain't got Vanish, is it basically GG?

What sort of DPS loss is it?

[spice spire]

What

[gleaming geyser]

best spot

[spice spire]

Oh

Your deathstalker mark

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-amy-santiago-time-to-die-b99-brooklyn99-gif-19654540

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s GG

[faint path]

guys you can craft 610 weapon and other items with pvp easly btw

[unique plume]

Ahhh sorry yeah deathstalker mark

[arctic socket]

Gg just roll fatebound

[spice spire]

Deathmark is our primary CD that’s why I got confused

But yeah it’s uh

[slim pebble]

Yeah after playing the raid I’m absolutely just gonna go fatebound

[spice spire]

Rough

[urban heart]

So

[unique plume]

I was in m0 now where priest was MCing my deathstalker marked mobs after I opened...

[arctic socket]

What’s the point in crafting PvP items with sparks when you can do heroic raid and craft the higher?

[gleaming geyser]

Did you get your quest from non-rated PVP?

[urban heart]

we play with echo now or still bug?

[unique plume]

It made me reconsider my whole existence lol

[limber lion]

bug

[faint path]

Without spark you can craft 610

[arctic socket]

Is it that noticeable

[spice spire]

OOF

[limber lion]

If the bug gets fixed, they will post a pin about it

[iron lynx]

Was deathstalker intended to work with ER? Or do the devs absolutely hate us

[knotty summit]

how?

[weary shoal]

!spark

[faint path]

you have to do 1 epic bg and win then you are getting quest after you win thats all

[weary shoal]

!omen

!commands

[faint path]

watch jedith's last video

[spice spire]

When uou return will you post a pin about it

[spice spire]

!crafting

Oh fuck

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

Is it just one piece

[limber lion]

Sure

Saves me from making a pin then

[faint path]

2-3

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[whole sand]

wait are we pvpin now

[spice spire]

It’s real by the way

[arctic socket]

So now I gotta do PvP for my pve content

Fuck

[faint path]

I just upgraded 606 dagger so I'm gonna craft 1 dagger 1 another piece

[arctic socket]

Offhand doesn’t matter

Craft other stuff

[faint path]

really second dagger wouldnt change that much ?

[slim pebble]

No

[arctic socket]

No

[spice spire]

Nah it’s just another piece of gear

[arctic socket]

Sim it

[spice spire]

Ur mainhand is ++

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah

wintrade skirmishes until you get 9 heraldries

and you can craft 2 or 3 610 items

[whole sand]

is it just a champion wep

[cobalt sphinx]

no it's 610 lock

[plucky river]

Is fate bound the go to for m+, whisper vid just kinda blew my thought process

[cobalt sphinx]

any slot

610 algari competitor items, whichever slots you can make with 9 heraldries

[whole sand]

this is some real fucking nerd behaviour chaps

[arctic socket]

610 pretty big tho

[weary shoal]

thx.. is there a list with all comannds?

[spice spire]

There is not

Not for us plebs anyway

[arctic socket]

Does the 610 crafted ring come with a socket? (PvP)

[spice spire]

There wasn’t when I was staff either iirc

[spice spire]

Yes

[arctic socket]

Ik what imma have to do

[spice spire]

Touch grass? Definitely

[faint path]

ıdk

[cobalt sphinx]

we managed to queue snipe each other twice in a row

i'm 2-0 vs guildies in skirmishes

[frozen glacier]

did we mess up going assassination instead of outlaw or sub

[tired gull]

yes, you must delete your character now

[cobalt sphinx]

kinda but sin is still good

[spice spire]

It doesn’t matter. Nothing matters

[sinful fable]

Man I wish I was good at modifying plater... I love every aspect of Whispyr's platers besides the castbar :/ probably because I've played with Naowh's plater for like... 4 years

[arctic socket]

Yes reroll fury warrior

[spice spire]

Death part 2

Not even the good warrior spec

[arctic socket]

My bad I meant augment evoker

Spelt it wrong

[spice spire]

Death part 3

Rocker

🙂

[subtle tundra]

i need a fucking deathstalker wa

anyone has

quake

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[subtle tundra]

you should have

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Is it there

[subtle tundra]

just for deathstalker

[spice spire]

What specific king

Oh one second

[arctic socket]

Probably dn buff

[subtle tundra]

dn buff and to tell me to fucking envenom on 7

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC

This?

[arctic socket]

I made one where it’s a big ass icon on my screen that comes up when I get the dn buff

Works rly well

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

[arctic socket]

Deez nuts)

[spice spire]

[cobalt sphinx]

[arctic socket]

Darkest night reapplication wa

Is probably what’s he’s askin for

[spice spire]

Can also RIP from whispyr’s but that’s a bitch Ik

[arctic socket]

Just make your own

Ez

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s does me just fine

[wise mist]

is there a current BIS list?

[spice spire]

I’m a literal idiot

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure it needs to be rated

[spice spire]

Singular brain cell mf

[subtle drift]

sucks too i guess?

[cobalt sphinx]

we all got ours from skirms

[arctic socket]

Highest ilvl is bis

[spice spire]

In the guides

[waxen oyster]

weird

[limber lion]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[cobalt sphinx]

@waxen oyster skirmish slayer

[waxen oyster]

you can get more with conquest though

[silver loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[wise mist]

i only have time for a few mythics a day so wanted to prioritize important weaps/trinks etc

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[spice spire]

Grim batol and siege then. Ara Kara also good

Prio those 3

[cobalt sphinx]

gates open and we are dead within 8 seconds to feral druid fury warrior, i love pvp

[waxen oyster]

if you get the 1600 conq cap for the week you can also get another 9 heraldies

[wise mist]

sweet, got the dead-eye glass gonna do those 2 next

[cobalt sphinx]

pvp for pve gear

[spice spire]

It’s CN all over again

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats why you farmed the honor gear

during preseason

[arctic socket]

Yeah but that’s just for rly mid maxing shit

[spice spire]

I mean same from before

[arctic socket]

Siege bis

[mellow bolt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

It was just for a chance at max ilvl weapon

[slim pebble]

Have you tried to git gud?

[cobalt sphinx]

sim is showing wake trinket as bis m0 for sub

[keen spruce]

[wise mist]

how you guys feeling about the state of play for sin in regards to rotation and whatnot

[cobalt sphinx]

pretty fun and easy and damage is good imo

[weary shoal]

!macro

!macros

[spice spire]

I’m a one trick, I’ll give you three guesses (I enjoy it)

[subtle tundra]

m+ 🤑
raid 🤮

[cobalt sphinx]

i topped almost every fight in raid (60% prescience uptime)

[spice spire]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[wise mist]

yeah havent played sin in a min, last time was df s1 sub which i loved

[potent otter]

How do I find out whats the best gear for an assa rogue? I don't think I'm ready for mythic yet, but I've been doing heroic dungeons

[cobalt sphinx]

higher ilvl = good

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[real pike]

anyone know what we drop for CT for bloodhound gang?

[cobalt geyser]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[covert schooner]

Hey guys, I just swapped to ST raid and I get the proc parentheses, what does that mean, whats procing?

[spice spire]

Blindside

[spice spire]

Maybe imp poisons? Or VV?

Unsure

[willow grotto]

Dawnthread doesn't stack for me, Does anyone else have the same thing?

[carmine shore]

How do we stay below 50% in Deathstalker? If you make even one mistake inside of KB where you're low energy and need to reapply Deathstalker's Mark you're hosed.

[real pike]

ok thanks, think Wowhead has the wrong import dtring for bloodhound

[quaint dragon]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[carmine shore]

Every mutilate is very very tight for optimal damage

[spice spire]

@balmy condor unsure if that’s intentional. Also could have just not taken.

[spice spire]

Staying below 50 is aimed more toward if you’re running sanguine, which it doesn’t currently

Just follow pooling rules

[carmine shore]

Sanguine wants to be above 50%

Which makes it easier to not get punished

[covert schooner]

Tyvm, so I assume I just ambush since its just a better mutilate

[spice spire]

No it doesn’t. It saps your energy if it is

[worthy bear]

In M+ we play deathstalker+ER right? How big is the difference between deathstalker and fatebound?

[real pike]

hmm maybe both as you need a point in the one before it also

[spice spire]

Not 100% haven’t raided yet

[carmine shore]

Do understand on the energy, i moreso mean that you aren't "trying" to stay under 50%

[spice spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

What kind of an encounter is it?

[carmine shore]

I just don't understand trying to stay under 50%

[tawny geyser]

We still don't have any updates for Spark items? I'm still holding both of mine.

[real pike]

an addy one

[limber lion]

The point is that Sanguine is currently tuned very weirdly

[real pike]

not done it yet though, just killed first boss

[limber lion]

Where it is not efficient to take advantage of the effect outside of cooldowns

You want to stay under 50% so Sang doesn't eat your energy outside of cooldowns, so you get more finishers/Envenoms

If you stay above 50%, you'll get much less finishers and casts out.

[carmine shore]

Okay okay I'm not running sanguine blades

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that's the fight where you go into the upside-down and have to kill a couple bigger adds

[spice spire]

Yeah moot point

[limber lion]

That is definitely what the talent is promoting, but with current tuning it's just not worth playing around with outside of cds.

[crimson crest]

how is sin looking in raid so far

[spice spire]

Is what I said from the beginning

[real pike]

yeah not sure on CT because it doesn't seem to be a LOT of adds, but they are important

[carmine shore]

Right I'm just stupid af

I didn't understand that was assumign you're running sanguine

okay so not running sanguine i'm just pooling as usual

[celest marlin]

!

[spice spire]

Ye

[celest marlin]

where can i find proper raid ST rodation?

[carmine shore]

much easier to not get punished

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[carmine shore]

there's a fuckin lot goin on right now just poppin in with qs as i whack dumby

[spice spire]

Ag big dog

[haughty lantern]

so for delve maps, basically you have a chance to get one at the end of a bountiful delve (from the "side chests"?) that match the level of the delve you just completed

you then take that into ANOTHER bountiful delve to use the map and get a STONKING piece of hero track loot? do I have that right?

i didn't touch delves yesterday, just world content and mythics b/c i wanted to let everyone else figure out how these maps worked n stuff

[carmine shore]

delves are fast and brain dead especially if you have friends to run with and the gear is nuts

[haughty lantern]

whats are "friends" ? 🫠

[pale wave]

is it safe to use first spark on dagger w/ ascension?

[real pike]

what are 'nuts'?

[spice spire]

You got homies here

Too bad we’re all rogues

[carmine shore]

lmafo

[spice spire]

But then you randomly find a friend that swaps like @shy pecan

And then life is good

[haughty lantern]

personally i went with bracers and belt with dawnthread lining, that way when my vault eventually screws me over, i can put sockets in these

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

and also they work pretty well for outlaw

[whole sand]

okay will someone be very nice and explain this pvp shit to me, i couldn't read properly i was getting carried in a m0

[zenith prairie]

Does anyone know what to do with the bountiful delve map?

[haughty lantern]

stealth, cheap shot, apply poisons, vanish

[whole sand]

not that ffs

[haughty lantern]

go run another tier 8 bountiful delve (after using the map?) and you will get a "bonus chest" with a piece of hero track loot

[golden plume]

how do we treat echoing reprimand combo points lower than 5?

[cobalt sphinx]

i ran skirmishes until i got a quest item pop up at the end of the match, i turned it in and got 9 pvp heraldries and it costs 3-5 of them to craft any algari piece at 610

[shy pecan]

[cobalt sphinx]

not sure what queues you can get them from

[haughty lantern]

wowhead says suggested ilvl for tier 8 (solo at least) is 603+

so here's hoping my 596 ass can find some homies to run some with

[spice spire]

Always aim to use a finisher there unless you’re trying to get your dn stacks

[somber nimbus]

!stat

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[haughty lantern]

so....it IS a bug right? like blizzard has confirmed that DN application is supposed to work with an anima charged combo point?

[spice spire]

No they’ve not

[haughty lantern]

[dreamy parcel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

you can tricks bran

and have him tank for you

[carmine shore]

The hardest thing with Deathstalker is it falling off inside KB while bleeds are also falling off

There are so many plates this things nutso

[waxen oyster]

....what

[haughty lantern]

what happens if he dies?

[carmine shore]

If reprimand could appy mark that would save so much pain

[waxen oyster]

idk hes tankier than me

[paper wraith]

anyone know the % gain from 2 set/4set

[pulsar dirge]

he gets revived after a while

[haughty lantern]

sorry bran you're the tank now

[full summit]

What should I use my spark on?

[waxen oyster]

they're nerfing bran in delves

which is fucking funny

[waxen oyster]

wait till tuning

[full summit]

kk

[zenith prairie]

Oh that’s lucky I figured I’d have to wait a week or something. Thanks

[haughty lantern]

you can do 4 bountiful delves a day

[waxen oyster]

i got my map on the 4th bountiful of the day

[haughty lantern]

(b/c you can only run each one once and there are 4 active per day, they change on daily reset)

[full summit]

do u think i can do a bountiful delve at 574 ilvl (t8?)

[waxen oyster]

you have to pull slowly

[haughty lantern]

SO IN THEORY you can get 4 champ track pieces of gear per day

[waxen oyster]

but probably

[full summit]

okie dokie

[haughty lantern]

pull slowly, TotT onto bran, and play safe

like you will not be speed running these things

[waxen oyster]

yeah my shit alts i might just go in as tank

although vdh is borderline a dps

as is....

i was going into priory heroics last week doing 3m

[undone flame]

do we know how the sim for this works? its beating my sacbrood of the same item lvl (like dose it take the - into account?)

[haughty lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-season-1-delves-everything-you-need-to-know-346537

ngl this one wowhead article is useful

[waxen oyster]

i just have my embellishes on 610 pvp gear

[somber nimbus]

!sim

[waxen oyster]

for now

[lavish wagon]

!waa

[somber nimbus]

lol

[lavish wagon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's 11.0 Group
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[somber nimbus]

is there a sim command

[waxen oyster]

What would a sim command entail

[arctic socket]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[velvet cairn]

what would u guys say 2 set gets in dmg increase and 4 set? in %

2set=4% 4set=8?

[waxen oyster]

You don't use 4set

oh

wait wrong channel

[somber nimbus]

like to optimally sim

[waxen oyster]

patchwerk 5mins

[somber nimbus]

every class has different optimal ways

[waxen oyster]

tf is "optimal way"

[haughty lantern]

what rogue spec doesn't use 4 set?!?

[waxen oyster]

outlaw

[somber nimbus]

dungeon slice isnt as optimal as otehrs

others

[haughty lantern]

[somber nimbus]

for example

[waxen oyster]

yeah dungeon slice is a shit sim model

it just works for outlaw because that spec is

[somber nimbus]

it worsk for some

[waxen oyster]

lolbladeflurry

[somber nimbus]

other classes

[waxen oyster]

fury yes

congrats

you press whirlwind

you cleave

[velvet cairn]

do u guys know like a good guess

[somber nimbus]

so thats why i want to know

[haughty lantern]

odyn's fury

[waxen oyster]

then warrior mains complain about target cap

despite all their big aoe is uncapped

[haughty lantern]

arms go brrrt

legs warrior when blizz

[waxen oyster]

sub's is like 7% for 4p

[celest helm]

Sims exist out there for this i dont remember the link tho

Theres a whole doc

[waxen oyster]

man i had the weirdest season launch shuffle

3 rogues 1 lobby

[velvet cairn]

thanks sir, will search a bit

[waxen oyster]

they ran at healer every round

[red jolt]

Do we go Internal Bleeding on pure ST, Caustic Spatter as soon as there's any extra targets at any points?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah pretty much

[red jolt]

For example, roots on Ansurek

[limber lion]

I would just run Spatter everywhere

[red jolt]

Oki ty

[limber lion]

Fuck IB

It's so little

[red jolt]

Haha ok

[lost hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-reaction-reaction-jesus-jesus-reaction-gif-19654103

[somber nimbus]

what other buttons do ret have besides divine storm

never played that class, but thats all i see

spec

[cobalt sphinx]

holy hammer, holy sword, other holy hammer

another holy sword

[somber nimbus]

if i played pally, its either prot or holy

might as well play dps war if playing ret

[cobalt sphinx]

ret is kinda cool

i played it a bit after the rework in df

[storm forum]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[unborn bridge]

Is it me or do delves feel awful

cant restealth, boss despawns opening from stealth

tricksing brann barely works

[arctic socket]

That’s why you go into delves with a tank friend

[waxen oyster]

You can restealth np

[unborn bridge]

i guess thats the move

I restealth mobs reset even if theyre on brann

and boss straight up insta despawns if i open on it from stealth

vanishing i mean not restealth my bad

[deep gyro]

i switched to sub and ran trickster with one hour tricks and it was surprisingly good.

[undone flame]

do we know if the sim count the - stats form this trinket aswell?

[waxen oyster]

usually if you hit something immediately after vanish its good

[unborn bridge]

maybe ill try that thanks

[haughty lantern]

uuuggghhhh i probably won't be home for another like 2 hours.

Which means i only have like 90 minutes before raid starts

wtf can i do in 90 minutes to secure some form of meaningful upgrades

[runic hinge]

Delves

Find a group

Start your own. Get a tank and heals and you can smash out your bountiful

[spice spire]

Heals not even necessary

[haughty lantern]

yeah probably a good idea

i think i got up to tier 5 yesterday? just did the 2 nerubian delves for the weekly so i should probably UNLOCK tier 8 before I go looking for groups doing tier 8

[ionic warren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

I did the abyss one you need to get the 6 kits and then you get in the robot and shoot stuff then it’s one boss. Wasn’t too bad

[runic hinge]

That one in rolling deeps today with the swarming dude

[spice spire]

We could have had it all

Can’t you dodge the swarm tho

[haughty lantern]

i wish this trinket was better for us. it's flavor fits us perfectly

[runic hinge]

Not on last boss it’s like a 30 yard aoe

[spice spire]

Isn’t there a center to stand in like the boss from ara Kara

[runic hinge]

Not that I could see

[median beacon]

can anyone tell me

what we using spark on

[runic hinge]

!spark

No

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[median beacon]

ty

[severe pagoda]

2-set for assa is somehow good? or nah?

[spice spire]

It’s a gain

How much? Not much at all

But it isn’t negative

[haughty lantern]

better than nothing

[severe pagoda]

haha okey okey

[craggy dagger]

hey question, in aoe or ST after opener etc, should we use VANISH to reapply rupture and garrote?

is it doubled ?

[haughty lantern]

i got nothing from raid last night, but at the very least i did a m0 ara-kara afterwards and got the E G G first try

we're starting on nexus princess tonight, fingers crossed for a regicide (i'm the only rogue in the raid)

[eager mantle]

what is the stat pri for assassination rogue in pvp

[spice spire]

#pvp

[severe pagoda]

Versa/Mastery

[eager mantle]

was there they off topic

[old turret]

Hey guys (first time playing rogue), how do you manage cds on the target? I'm using 3 abilities and the mob gains like 17 debuffs, it's kinda hard to manage, do you use any addon or ui to help with that?

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

if it's your first time (people are gonna stab me/sue me over this) i would highly suggest using hekili just as like...training wheels/bowling lane bumpers.

They helped me learn the spec and it at least keeps track of all your dots n stuff on the target.

[spice spire]

If people are too badly off, just ping notrickz, he’s a super nice lad

[spice spire]

I do recommend at minimum a weak aura

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty lantern]

i myself am a first time sin rogue too (been playing for roughly 2 weeks) and hekili has at least been....useful

[static glacier]

anyone got a wa that says shiv when kb is on targ but shiv isn't

tired of forgetting

need something with sound, screen is cursed atm

[spice spire]

I can’t say I follow mister summerhowl’s line

[haughty lantern]

IMO yeah, like start with Hekili as heavy duty training wheels, graduate to a WA when you feel you're getting good enough to not need hekili anymore

[spice spire]

But weak auras do help

[limber lion]

You can just add a condition on your Shiv to glow when KB is on the target

[old turret]

I am using a weak aura but I mean in the nameplate, its just so much stuff that I lose track of the important stuff (the dots)

[spice spire]

Pretty sure it’s in Le’s group.

You can add sound if needed

[limber lion]

Good plater goes a long way

[spice spire]

Amen

[craggy dagger]

we use shiv after kingsbane or before?

[limber lion]

Before

[spice spire]

And I’ve got the best since shadowlands baby

[haughty lantern]

b4

[limber lion]

[haughty lantern]

iirc it's deathmark --> shiv --> kb, take a swig of tea somewhere in there

[static glacier]

on luxthtos atm, gonna play around in triggers

[spice spire]

Oh no; she has like

A single for kb timeline

And you can just add sound on the shiv triggers iirc

[strange cargo]

is there a recommendation on what we are catalyzing set peice wise, i got a champ track chest peice I can transmute for example

[real pike]

wait until you have 3 pieces

[strange cargo]

is it not a free catalyst per week thing?

[haughty lantern]

hey @spice spire can you help me with a like.....discussion?

TLDR my raid is using RCLoot council and our BiS and Upgrade options are going by wowhead Raid BiS slots

but all of our BiS stuff is the "super rare" shit that MOST people are going to be hard BiS rolling on

so like other than that, what stuff from raid would count as BiS while we are searching for those super rare pieces?

[haughty lantern]

every other week

still it's a limited resource so you want to spend it smartly.

[limber lion]

Lol

[strange cargo]

bet ty as always guys

[old turret]

Thank you all for the help!! I've been using a plater profile that shows all debuffs and it became very bloated, I will test these ones you guys sent, thank you!

[limber lion]

If your only 2 options are "bis" and "upgrade", then good luck

[eternal wigeon]

which setup is best for Brann in dvelve with rogues?

[spice spire]

The only things that matter outside of cantrip stuff is ilvl, mainhand weapon, trinkets. Outside of that. Different wants at different times

I know when I did RC

[limber lion]

Yeah, you definitely wanna blacklist all the trash. Gl!

[spice spire]

We had like

8 options

[limber lion]

BIS, Major Upgrade, Minor Upgrade, Sidegrade, Transmog, Pass

Or something similar

[spice spire]

Yep

[clever turtle]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[spice spire]

That’s exactly it

And notation for tier

[cinder parrot]

Is there any info on what to craft with the spark this week?

[spice spire]

Was ALWAYS requested

[limber lion]

Pins yeah

[static glacier]

made a wa that clucks like a chicken

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[waxen oyster]

tier drops feel lower overall

[limber lion]

Yeah we used Droptimizers on everyone to see who gets the most dps out of everything

[waxen oyster]

This expac

[limber lion]

And the major upgrades always required a sim

[waxen oyster]

but they also made warbound tier tokens

[haughty lantern]

yeah we only have like....5 or 6?

BiS, Tier2/Tier 4 (if rolling on a tier piece), upgrade, capped*, and offspec/transmog

[limber lion]

BiS for us literally meant BiS

[spice spire]

That’s rough

[limber lion]

So literally no one in heroic would press it

Which I personally hate

Why even have a button for it

[haughty lantern]

yup

but since our BiS is the super rare stuff (neck, cloak, ring from ansurek), i am like NEVER rolling BiS and skipping potentially major upgrades

[quiet bridge]

What does the wowhead guide mean by "Rune-Branded Armbands and Rune-Branded Waistband are your two slots for Embellishments this expansion"

Cant we put embellishments on any crafted piece. what am i missing here

[waxen oyster]

low ilvl budget pieces

[limber lion]

Sure, but they're the optimal ones

[spice spire]

We were a heroic and light mythic guild.
BiS was “this is my bis for a reasonable amount of time (it is only a mythic upgrade)”

[waxen oyster]

i feel boots are just as good as belt

arent they

[limber lion]

You have tier pieces and other crap

[waxen oyster]

We also have a cantrip cloak

else i'd say put on cloak

[haughty lantern]

you can socket a belt, can't socket boots

[spice spire]

So like there’s a random trinket that’s extremely good and only bested by like a +20 box and the same item on mythic

[waxen oyster]

thats why i think boots technically better

[haughty flicker]

Not with that attitude

[spice spire]

Then I’d click bis

[waxen oyster]

spyglass

[spice spire]

Sorry working too so slow

[waxen oyster]

the real homie

[haughty lantern]

mfw spyglass only simming a 0.7% upgrade at 606 and the vial of flayedwing toxin is simming at 0.8%...

[waxen oyster]

im only 597 though

no m0s yet

[haughty lantern]

skardyn's is beating both at a whopping 1.8% so i'm still chasing that

[vivid crown]

anyone know what Harvester's Edict shows up as? damage or buff? I can't find it in details

or is it fucked and just not working and that's why

[limber lion]

It's definitely damage

[gloomy otter]

hi quick question , what about this trinket?

https://i.imgur.com/OJQYHkM.png

Because its not in the trinket tier list , where would you guys rank it?

[limber lion]

Might not be "Harvester's Edict" in Details though

[limber lion]

You gotta sim it homeboy, we can't tell ya

[iron lynx]

!spark

[limber lion]

Personally not a fan of party-buffing trinkets

[waxen oyster]

its not on the dungeon rotation

[haughty flicker]

It isn’t part of this seasons dungeon rotation, so it will very quickly become irrelevant due to ilvl

[waxen oyster]

and im pretty sure priory is gone now

even from heroic

[haughty lantern]

fell off the cliff, is now somewhere in the ocean below....

[waxen oyster]

the tank trinket from that place is

[gloomy otter]

ah got it , worth changing it for harvesters edict?

[waxen oyster]

really fucking good

though

[haughty flicker]

Idk how good either trinket is, you’d have to sim if they’re both same ilvl

[haughty lantern]

i am wondering at what like....level of gear would you consider spending money to enchant stuff? since enchants are still absurdly expensive

[haughty flicker]

Just in the near future you’ll be replacing either anyway

[waxen oyster]

depends on your budget

[gloomy otter]

you can get the budget versions pretty cheap

[gentle gyro]

is it worth on Silken Court to delay first KB / DM for the charge? doesn't line up if you use stuff on pull

[waxen oyster]

i've seen people radiant power 3 on 590 weps

[gloomy otter]

most of the items have budget version enchants

[haughty lantern]

i got the champ track boots from council of dorn at rank 16 so IDK how long i'm going to have those but i still want to put something on it...

[waxen oyster]

i put defenders march 3 on 610 pvp boots

since i can always use them for that content anyway

for rest of season

[haughty lantern]

ye

like i WILL opt for a discount variant if it's available

but even for boot enchants the copper versions and silver versions are still like 8k+ (since they cost both a tinderbox AND dust)

[waxen oyster]

dust hotfix should be in

[lavish wagon]

guys use CP at 5 or 6/7?

[waxen oyster]

i saw rank 2 authority of storms for like 6k

[haughty lantern]

but my adhd hunter gatherer gremlin brain can dig up like 1-5 tinderboxes a day (if all i do is hunt down treasure boxes and wax piles for several hours) SO REALLY i think i am just going to ask my enchanter guildie to make it for me with concentration and i'll give him the mats

[haughty lantern]

ye this is what i am waiting for

[limber lion]

5+

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean even then paying for your guildie's concentration

still cheaper than a random

[haughty lantern]

yeeaaaahhhh AH will scalp ya, especially on a tuesday

[waxen oyster]

like the people who want 10k for your own mats

and no conc

[haughty lantern]

remembered yesterday prices SKYROCKET on tuesdays b/c everyone is buying stuff for raid that night

[waxen oyster]

[gloomy otter]

if i wanna sim something , do i just copy my current gear with simc , make a quick sim , then change the item i wanna check and export my gear again for simming?

[limber lion]

You can just use Top Gear

To sim different items

[haughty lantern]

that's a report to the BBB (better business bereaux)

[novel storm]

How many delvers bounties can you recieve weekly? Is it capped?

[waxen oyster]

like i once sent a guy extra in the mail when he told me after that he spent conc

to make it

but thats because its timegated

[twin hull]

what beggar weapon enchant should i use? sin for m0 and m+?

[royal lantern]

grim batol trinket dropped

instant upgrade to 5/6

[haughty lantern]

ALSO i'm on thrall

Thrall is omega horde pilled (I'm a nelf) so the alliance trade chat is like waaayyyyy more expensive just due to lack of competition

went onto my hunter (my main, he holds all my gold, troll) and found a guy willing to r5 my belt for 7.5k and was willing to do it with r2 mats. (I had invested in r3 anyway)

tried finding something similar on alliance, guy was one of those like handlers for multi-crafting associations and wanted like 30k to r5 a pair of bracers, 10k to r4 it (i went with the r4)

[royal lantern]

idk, i just put the mastery one on my weapons until i get something worth putting big enchants on

[waxen oyster]

yeah my warrior is on a dead server

so its hard to even find crafters for it for common stuff

[haughty flicker]

Playing alliance on a server named after a warchief

Smh

[frank condor]

Most ally on Thrall just use Horde trade chat for crafting orders and send from their ally toon

[waxen oyster]

I do find it funny when some of the NA realms are named after dreadlords

[haughty lantern]

TBF i started on Muradin

made horde characters on ravenholdt

moved main to thrall when guild at the time wanted to move to a more populated server

rest of alts left behind on other servers

this past christmas: 90$ for like 9 server transfers

move all my alts i plan on using from dead/random servers to thrall so they can all be part of my new/main guild

mfw none of our leatherworkers are going leather b/c they are all mail classes

[wicked lynx]

its important that they double and triple up on mail crafts

[haughty lantern]

GRANTED

[wicked lynx]

so that when one runs out of concentration

the others can do it for them

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[waxen oyster]

i do find it odd

[thin owl]

what did u bois craft

[haughty lantern]

THIS is our current team comp. we have more mail men than leather daddies so

[waxen oyster]

since there's more leather classes than mail

from a moneymaking pov i'd think leather is better

[haughty lantern]

bracers belt, so that i can throw a socket into both when my vault eventually fucks me 🫠

THAT SAID having so little competition for tier tokens

[thin owl]

haha

what embelishment are we using

[haughty lantern]

i went with double dawnthread

solid for both raid and m+

from Whispyr (on wowhead)

[thin owl]

awesome thank you ❤️

did u use the runed crest?

[haughty lantern]

nah i just used the base spark

[thin owl]

oh okay, can we recraft after without another spark?

[haughty lantern]

ye

[thin owl]

awesome

[haughty lantern]

consumes the mats again but no spark needed

don't need to replace spark, missive (for stat guarantee) or embelishment, just the mats to make the item

[subtle tundra]

"only"

[winged basin]

out of curiosity, are yall catalyzing delve gear? is that even worth? I want to use my cata, but I think it would be a horrible idea til first vault

[haughty lantern]

ASSUMING YOU CAN GET ONE, i would catalyze a hero track piece you get from using a map

one of my friends did this, he got 1/6 hero track pants with leech. now he has 1/6 tier pants with leech....

[waxen oyster]

you have a hero track piece next week