#assassination

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wooden flare
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sap/blind to keep basically every group to 1 mob at a time

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tricks bran on the big lizard guys

spice spire
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Find a tank friend

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Or get the ilvl up

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Essentially

haughty flicker
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secret to fungal is that the sporebits hit mobs

spice spire
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The damage check is like

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Fine

haughty flicker
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just use them to clear the whole place for you

spice spire
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But everything fucks you

subtle drift
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Guys, how are you doing in delves? Is it hard?

unkempt sapphire
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run brann as dps and kite stuff and let him tank when possible

sinful elk
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Yeah thats all thats rocking me. T7 and T8 suddenly everythings basic attack hits me for 30% of hp haha

uneven plume
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wep enchants are nuts on the AH rn

unkempt sapphire
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everything is pretty doable except waterworks which is just nuts to me

strange maple
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oh yea how many target do u start using fok instead of mutilate

tribal verge
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new rogue, looking for the link forthe talents per boss 🙂

uneven plume
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is crit stat wep ench fine enough?

haughty flicker
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honestly brann kind of becomes a pumper

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at lvl 20 as healer spec he out dpsed me on zekvir

tribal verge
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nvm, wowhead ftw

spice spire
prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
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It’s in the wowhead one yeah

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Good luck homie!

tribal verge
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ty

sinful elk
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but when theyre hard they're quite fun

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just dunno if im rogueing horrible wrong for it to be this kind of hard hahaha

haughty flicker
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well ive been cheating and playing hunter

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but they dont sound fun on rogue

subtle drift
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Turning in wax to Middles in Gundargaz now awards 2 Valorstones Valorstones (was 10). Additionally, after the first 25 turn-ins per week (on each character), each subsequent wax turn-in will award the player with Resonance Crystals Resonance Crystals instead.

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Get fucked

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Glad i didn't farm

wide dome
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ANYONE ELSE!?

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😎

mint valve
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
tawny pawn
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idk about you guys

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assa feels great in raid

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DS ST and cleave

sinful elk
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nah dude reddit told me the spec is dead and needs a full rehaul

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/s

tawny pawn
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kekw reddit

mellow sun
wide dome
frozen iris
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I am sucking ass right now

craggy basin
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build then sit till 1 sec of env left

tawny pawn
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ive been doing 800k+ in every fight

upbeat helm
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have assa been feeling bad to play in raid to now?

tawny pawn
haughty flicker
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unlucky

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im sure you'll get better with practice

tawny pawn
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im sure too

frozen iris
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You running fate or deathstalker

tawny pawn
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DS

frozen iris
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We are not running resounding or reverb right? Lethality 2 points

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was running wrong build

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Will see

tawny pawn
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they way im playing i just go Internal bleeding full ST on cleaves go splatter, and focus single too

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there might be better aoe shenanigans

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i dont go for a bleed spread

rancid spade
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how u check the dmg from wax?

tall rose
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hows assas doing atm, alot seem op and others seem to need a buff

frozen iris
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Just did sikran norm

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Deathstalkers mark didint apply after the first time

brave sinew
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first 3 bosses didnt apply for me

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need to vanish

low gust
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my DS marks seemed to be bugged

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ok, I swapped back and forth talents and seems okay

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weird

tawny pawn
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im on court now i dont know if my mark bugged and i could not change it

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that can be annoying

fresh kelp
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not sure to go sub or assa, they both pretty close?

tawny pawn
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trust

upbeat helm
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play whats fun

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o shit we dont do that here

tawny pawn
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what is fun

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go assa e learn to use the DS mark

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you wont regret

frozen iris
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Whats your ilvl

white orchid
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it def is fun besides getting knocked out of strealth on pull lol idk why its happening

balmy condor
fresh kelp
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Gonna go assa day 1 since I just watched your youtube video, so things are fresher 😉

rancid spade
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i cant see my wax dmg

main drum
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is it worth it to use catalyst on a veteran track piece for 2p

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or save for champion+

gritty laurel
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i wouldn't, tier set is like 2.5% damage at 4p

tawny pawn
main drum
uneven plume
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how are people ghetting two sockets into each ring and neck piece?

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O.o

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wait you can socket from AH?

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they sell them on AH>?

bitter badger
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on ST do we use Improved Garrote and Sanguine Blades or two points in Vicious Venoms?

obtuse socket
main drum
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so ds or fb right now for raid

gritty laurel
gritty laurel
frozen iris
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how far behind is fatebound

gritty laurel
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!hero

prisma monolithBOT
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Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

wide ferry
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Do delves reset daily? Like i can knock out more bountiful's tomorrow?

upbeat helm
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yea, 4 a day

wide ferry
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wooorrrdd

bitter badger
spice spire
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I hate area 52

wide ferry
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^^

spice spire
wide ferry
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currently in queue

spice spire
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still waiting

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what position are you at

wide ferry
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bout to transfer off lol

spice spire
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LMFAO

wide ferry
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93 4 minutes left

spice spire
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not quite that bad

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fuck

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165 7 minutes left

wide ferry
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been waitin 20 minutes lol

spice spire
solar wyvern
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what are we thinking, cleave build or ST for ansurek

spice spire
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I just got on for the first time had I known I'd have started que when I made my protein shake

balmy condor
spice spire
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kinda depends on everyone else doesn't it

solar wyvern
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thats what i was thinking

spice spire
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but yeah I assume adds get blown up

solar wyvern
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ST with caustic? or still internal

balmy condor
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no clue

solar wyvern
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I shall wait for the bigger brains to do it and copy then :^)

narrow marsh
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is anyone else having issues with bubbling wax? seems super buggy and doesnt work half the time

sick bridge
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Yeah it doesn't work

narrow marsh
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.>

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what a waste XD

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holy

arctic tusk
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someone in my guild just got kyveza dagger as a warbound

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drop

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is that a big or intentional lol

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bug*

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an evoker

sick bridge
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Personal loot is warbound

ionic warren
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hey guys, ive tried making a bunch of different mousover rupture macro variations. and none see to work??? does anyone have one?

arctic tusk
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its not from trash its from a boss

exotic hearth
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
raven egret
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So two daggers dropped from Ky'veza

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being the lone rogue has some advantages

exotic hearth
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Fate is better for raid???

heavy vessel
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
rancid spade
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you cant trade warbound items right?

exotic hearth
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Only among your chars

raven egret
spiral gale
arctic tusk
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can raid boss droip warbound gear?

raven egret
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more or less anything can, its a separate personal roll iirc

sick bridge
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Yes?

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Bosses can drop loot just for you from their normal pool

spice spire
marble hemlock
spice spire
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No u

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Mean that too king

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Wish I were into men cuz would

soft surge
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as in the top simming builds

ripe rapids
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
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Since its Utility is through the roof

soft surge
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what about cold blood

marble hemlock
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No idea, but ER is just much smoother to play in AoE as Deathstalker

soft surge
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yea i dont wanna play cold blood

whole sand
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fucking t8 delves are a chore

subtle drift
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How far can we grind Brann?

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I guess to 50 so we can solo +8 then?

soft surge
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what level delve do you grind brand in

arctic tusk
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holyyy

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from normal mode

vapid geode
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is this trinket ass? its not on any list

tawdry sedge
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sim it, doesn't look bad

marble hemlock
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psure it has much less agi than other trinkets of the same ilvl, since it also has some haste as secondary

gray horizon
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got me a reggie woo!

exotic rose
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Anyone's caustic spatter not working?

gray hazel
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Are we supposed to be chaining the darkest night procs for the whole fight?

marble hemlock
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yes

raven egret
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first real practice I got with it. GOt some edge cases where DN gets lost but yeah

cloud basin
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the raid seems a lil too easy on normal lol

sick bridge
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I also lost DN on one of the fights and I'm not sure how

marble hemlock
sick bridge
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DM*

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It seems like a bug

raven egret
marble hemlock
sick bridge
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I think maybe I was too far away when the mob with the mark died?

worn badger
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woot Sac on first mythic an'kara

marble hemlock
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youre supposed to get DN when the mob with mark dies

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but theres some bugs surrounding it still

gray hazel
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does the thing not work if there is too much time between it fading and doing another full CP envenom?

marble hemlock
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the buff has a duration, yes

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so it can run out

sick bridge
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It drops after something like 20 seconds

marble hemlock
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before you cast your 7CP envenom

gray hazel
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kk

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just dont be bad. thansk!

mint valve
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anyone know if they put out a mazer solver for mist yet?

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weakauras?

lunar lotus
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anyone know why skittering breach says it bountiful on map but when i go in its not?

winged basin
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Silken Court has to be one of my all time favorite Sin fights I’ve ever played ngl

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Idek if im opening up on them right, but I was absolutely SLAMMING with Caustic

marble hemlock
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cant wait for them to not be tankable together in mythic

winged basin
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Oh

marble hemlock
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and all the fun goes BearYeet

winged basin
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Well FOR NOW lol

raven egret
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there aint no beating my warlock buddy however

winged basin
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Would you want to fully normal Deathstalker opener on one boss, or do you want to Garrote and Rupture both then slam into the one you ambushed on?

marble hemlock
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multidot

winged basin
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Cause I was garroting and rupturing both then slamming into one

marble hemlock
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costs you 2 GCDs and you get a lot of extra energy from it

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and some singular focus

winged basin
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I kinda figured I had that right, and I knowww, even when the adds pop out sniping them with ruptures for the quick energy stim on death is giga nice

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Nexus Princess is probably still my favorite boss so far even though regicide didn’t drop…

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I’m the only rogue on the team for once tho, that’s kinda pog, really really refreshing coming back to rogue after being on shaman for almost 2 xpacs

hushed elbow
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are you guys specced single target with caustic splatter?

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im just getting into them now

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thinking scent of blood might be great with the adds

winged basin
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I had caustic for sure, I ran whatever the wowhead page recommended for Silken, which brings me to another thing, being able to have enough loadouts to have all my M+ for DS and Fatebound + a tree for every single raid boss was SO nice.

restive falcon
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can dawnthread go on boots?

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cause ik we want the belt/bracer combo but i just won a crit/haste belt with a socket on heroic

thorn fjord
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Nothing changes with 2p im assuming?

prisma carbon
worn badger
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man, last boss of ara'kara is kinda brutal at 580 lol

balmy condor
hollow mantle
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got both trinkets today!

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balmy condor
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transmitter

whole sand
hollow mantle
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theres a WA for the Transmitter?

balmy condor
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L soldier

whole sand
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you don't need a WA you need a dancepad

hollow mantle
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hahaha

balmy condor
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yeah WA not needed, need a better trinket

civic stone
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dang they still havent fixed honey buzzer?

sick bridge
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Whetstones are too expensive for wax to not be working

jade heath
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shrouded suffocation was only generating 1cp in stealth in my raid build, is that a bug or am i doing something wrong?

thorn crater
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is the embellishment tuning done?

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should we go for the lining?

marble hemlock
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no one knows

crude anvil
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
raven egret
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just like we don't know if the damn ER + DS will ever get fixed

runic hinge
raven egret
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its opposite of fun to lose usage of DS if some weird things badly line up already as it is

runic hinge
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Shrouded won’t work without it

jade heath
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ah ok thats it

worn badger
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huh, engineering bracer is equal with other 590 bracers but theres no tinker slot in the droptimizer

raven egret
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tinker slots do absolutely nothing for dps

worn badger
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not even the bombs ?

raven egret
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there aint no bombs

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thats an embelishment, not a tinker

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the pocket grenades that is, and they suck anyway

worn badger
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oh yeah, just noticed that

raven egret
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we have only 1 pve tinker, and its a bad health pot replacement

worn badger
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lame. why they gotta do engineering dirty like this =/

raven egret
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more technically if you consider the 'lost' ones from past expac but, they aint do nothing useful either

uneven plume
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second to last boss in raid are we going aoe spec?

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the council boss

raven egret
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spatter but I dont think its worth doing anything else than that

sick bridge
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Why do the WoW head builds take Sanguine Blades? Isn't that worse for single target?

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Improved Garotte* not sanguine

echo talon
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
uneven plume
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just got transmitter

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time to mini game

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xDD

cosmic harness
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anyone craft dagger and wrists with embelish?

crude anvil
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does anyone have a weakaura to show if you have the "darkest night" aura active?

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from deathstalker

delicate imp
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hows our numbers looking in raid?

uneven plume
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decent

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not as good as ret pally tho

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ret is nasty

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in ST

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sin def top 5 if pooling right and envenom buff up

fleet pagoda
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has it been possible to lose DS mark if you have a darknight active and only one mark up when you 7cp envenom all along?

obtuse field
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
crisp stream
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fleet pagoda
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okay it's only happening in dungeons, not on dummies (for me). cursed

cobalt sphinx
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YOU GUYS

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HAVE TO WATCH THE CUTSCENE

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AFTER ANSUREK DIES

frozen iris
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Does Whispyrs pool weak aura still work

bronze plover
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should we start delves with our alts first?

fleet pagoda
bronze plover
fleet pagoda
subtle drift
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Someone got tips which bronn abilitys to use?

blissful spire
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

  • For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
  • For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

cerulean nest
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got 4 daggers in our runs lol

distant monolith
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
solar wyvern
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Bloodbound horror ate my kingsbane today

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Parried it

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Wish I recorded because I didn't know kb was able to be parried

vivid elbow
balmy condor
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the new rogues

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finding out that kb can be parried

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so young

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so innocent

cerulean nest
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the single shiv throws me off so much

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kept forgetting I only had one

tawny pawn
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im very happy with assa performance so far, but people on race to world first, are also running sub

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and they doing big dmg.

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i didnt see a single outlaw tho

raven egret
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Timing the Mark on Queen Ansurek to not lose it to phase change is gonna be fun

tawny pawn
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its not that hard

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we can just hold DN

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also vanish

sturdy niche
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Sin does feel good. I am glad however to have the option to play sub and switch things up

tawny pawn
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we dont lose that much

raven egret
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tip-toe ing around DN is not the funniest thing to do mind you

tawny pawn
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meh

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now after raid night i felt way more confident

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its not that bad to play around.

velvet cloak
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anyone know what i should craft for assa

tawny pawn
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for good ST and AoE

spice spire
tawny pawn
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darkest night

spice spire
velvet cloak
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on what peace of gear?

spice spire
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Oh no ale

tawny pawn
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what did i do

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tell me

spice spire
tawny pawn
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you

spice spire
tawny pawn
spice spire
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I thought for sure this was the one that got me

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#2 down

tawny pawn
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fine you won

spice spire
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Did I tho

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Low tier bait joke

maiden anchor
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when you consume darkest night with caustic splatter up, it should cleave right?

spice spire
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No because it’s not nature damage

maiden anchor
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ahh gotcha, that's my misunderstanding

spice spire
maiden anchor
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thanks bro

spice spire
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No worries big dog

runic hinge
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Uhh

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What kind of damage is dn

haughty flicker
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emotional

runic helm
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Am I crazy or do ER combo points seem kind of inconsistent on whether or not they proc deathstalker?

spice spire
spice spire
runic helm
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I know they used to not proc it at all..do we think its still bugged? Seems like it procs the 1-3 stacks most times (but may be not all times) but then it never procs the final one that requires max....despite it being max.

spice spire
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Oh

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!dn

prisma monolithBOT
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

  • Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
    Echoing Reprimand....
  • Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
  • Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
    But the 3rd cp or something?
  • Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
    Does Blizzard know?
  • There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
brave kindle
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So is transmitter actually good or a bait?

chilly marsh
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is working in raids and m+?

balmy condor
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no

balmy condor
brave kindle
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Awful to use but good? or just awful

solar wyvern
# balmy condor so young

Worst is I played all of last tier with multiple top 10 sin parses and still didnt know this xd

rotund oak
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boys u doing the alt tech for the 610 gear or nah

uneven plume
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its 12k agility

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its def not awful

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lmaoo

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just download the mini game WA for it

solar wyvern
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Mfw transmitter put the orb in bloodbounds puddle

brave kindle
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I see

balmy condor
brave kindle
uneven plume
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the best one is def jump three times

balmy condor
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like at least branch was bis

uneven plume
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if you get that its basically free

balmy condor
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transmitter is worse to play

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and not even better

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it's just omegalul

cerulean nest
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using the bee trinket was interesting tonight

rotund oak
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Orcspyr starege

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s@xiness lvl over 9000

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all my willpower for that trinket fam

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🙌

nova yew
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yo question that i can't seem to find the answer to on any guide, between any of the cheap weapon enchants(the secondary stat procs) which one would be the best between mastery and haste for sin?

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sims seems weird af

balmy condor
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doesn't matter

polar timber
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do we know how much of an increase a fixed echoing reprimand would be?

rotund oak
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enough to solidify deathstalker superiority to fatebound most likely

polar timber
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but sins superiority to subs? hmm

rotund oak
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they are about the same but sub should pull ahead for ST

rancid grove
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I'm trash at this game, Am i suppose to be starved for energy on ST or what?

grand trail
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Any solo rogue delves 8?

polar timber
rotund oak
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unlock them with an alt and walk the tiers for the map drops

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u'll be getting 3 610 drops

grand trail
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I already did 4-7 on alt

dense cove
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are they guaranteed drops? the maps?

rotund oak
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3 per character per week

dense cove
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i did 4 +8s today and only saw 1 map

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just bad rng?>

distant monolith
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
grand trail
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It's low drop chance

haughty flicker
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they are not common

rotund oak
haughty flicker
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ive done 8 delves and didnt see a single one lmao

grand trail
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I don't have time to chase them

wooden flare
rotund oak
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..

whole sand
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i just didn't open the chests pepeSip

grand trail
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Back to my question, did anyone solo 8s as rogue ?

whole sand
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i did a few

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but its rough

rotund oak
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i did solo them all but on beta

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🤝

grand trail
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I had gear on beta tho

rotund oak
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it scaled down

wooden flare
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skittering breach is rough, keep getting pulled from stealth for reasons I don't know

grand trail
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I need to do 4 bountiful 8s before raid so just wanted to know if I can solo them or need group

maiden plaza
wooden flare
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ok so not just me then, good

whole sand
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waterworks is fucked

rotund oak
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if u can get a group u will destroy them evne with 580ilvl gear

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its faster and easier no questions there

whole sand
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do i lose any loot from grouping?

wooden flare
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no

grand trail
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No

whole sand
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oh

rotund oak
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no,why would u

whole sand
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well they're meant to be fucking solo content aren't they

wooden flare
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they just hotfix reduced the scaling from grouped delves too

rotund oak
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no they werent meant

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what

rugged sphinx
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
grand trail
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Yes delve is solo content

whole sand
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so im just hurting myself by doing this solo

grand trail
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That's whole point of delves

wooden flare
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it's your choice, i like the solo aspect

strange maple
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hbow many point crimson tempest should i go for aoe opener

rotund oak
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thats not the whole pont,if it were to be solo content you would be able to party up in the first place KEK

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what are u boys on

distant monolith
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
#

u wanna solo,sure u can,u wanna party sure again

#

its content,thats all

grand trail
#

I think you missed all the devs video where they were talking about making delves for players to have some non group experience

rotund oak
#

yes its like torghast

#

u can do them solo

#

its content

#

(didnt miss anything btw)

grand trail
#

I can't wait for next week and never do them again

fresh kelp
#

are mythic dungeons not available?

#

keep getting a message

wooden flare
#

m0 is open

fresh kelp
#

rookery and mead both said not available on mythic

whole sand
#

its seasonal dungeons now

haughty flicker
#

seasonal dungeons'

wooden flare
#

there's 4 tww and 4 timewalking

fresh kelp
#

are there portals in dornagal to get to mists?

stray fox
#

Don’t delves have their own vault track? I feel like they’ll be worth for a few weeks

haughty flicker
#

there are portals yes, there is a portal to the timeways in a building next to the upgrade/crest npcs

#

and yes delves have a vault track, they took the spot of pvp

subtle drift
#

I barely finished a +7

#

No chance i can do 8

#

587.25 ilvl

bleak crag
#

you can group for delves

haughty flicker
#

yeah rogues are probably gonna want to find a tank friend for 8s

subtle drift
#

with embellishment

#

Did Kriegvals Rest

strange python
#

I solo'd fungal folly on 8, it was stressful

subtle drift
#

Brann as healer or dd?

shy pecan
prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
strange python
#

Idk any min max brann shit i just had him on healer

subtle drift
#

And which abilitys did you use for him

haughty flicker
#

definitely have brann as healer

#

as he lvls up he actually becomes pretty useful

strange python
haughty flicker
#

lvl 20 brann did more damage to zekvir than i did while specced as healer

strange python
#

thats what i had but i dont know if its even good

rotund oak
#

yup thats how u set up bran

feral mason
haughty flicker
#

no you can do baby zekvir on t8

#

i havent gone any higher yet, no point

#

will just do it later with more gear

rotund oak
#

u cant not yet,9-10-11 scale pretty hard for now

haughty flicker
#

i mean you can, ive seen people doing it

#

i just dont hate myself enough to do it

feral mason
#

Is it actually interesting or just pure number check wall simulator like the rest of delves

haughty flicker
#

uh

#

it definitely was not the most interesting thing ive ever done

#

but i was also on hunter so

#

pet was doing all the work

#

only issue was a big dot he has but i found out its a slow so i could just disengage it off lmao

feral mason
#

so its not “mage tower 2.0” as they described it

haughty flicker
#

yeah far from it

feral mason
#

which i never expected tbf

haughty flicker
#

but there is a harder version

rotund oak
haughty flicker
#

so maybe that is better

rotund oak
#

u need alot of dmg for 11

#

but whatever

haughty flicker
#

but i doubt it is better

feral mason
#

I mean ill need to do it for void helicopter

eager vigil
#

Is it worth using crests now? With lfr/m0 items

haughty flicker
#

the 11s were groups

onyx rock
#

Can we just do them step by step until 8 and then use the key ? I heard that you can only do them once even if you not use your key.

feral mason
#

also any clarity yet on the maps thing? Is alt necessary or is there a tech to avoid the maps

eager vigil
#

I upgraded my egg trinket to 593 and a dagger to 603

rotund oak
haughty flicker
#

they have a very low drop rate

#

and its even lower drop rate for non bountiful delves

#

to be safe you'd want to use an alt

#

but you also could probably just not open the chest at the end

#

and not worry about it

#

also i know at least one person has done the harder zekvir solo

#

and gotten the void airship thing

#

i think it was a bdk though so its basically cheating

storm zinc
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
loud trench
#

Is whispers plater profile for the new update not showing caustic spatter for anyone else?

solemn oracle
#

Hi, I'm helping a friend getting back into wow and this was one of the macros when I looked at wowhead, but for some reason, kingsbane's not coming out after deathmark, is there a reason as to why/what breaks this macro?

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Deathmark
/cast Kingsbane

crisp ridge
#

they’re both on the gcd

topaz pebble
#

There is a new ST build for raid? i heard someone mention it earlier

brisk plank
#

Are 8's soloable for 580ish ilvl rogue?

wooden flare
faint path
wooden flare
#

603

brisk plank
faint path
wooden flare
#

im very new to retail and probably not very good at rogue, i did fungal at 586, working through skittering now and the trash seems harder but boss is easier

subtle drift
#

I grouped for a +8 now

brisk plank
subtle drift
#

We cleared it

wooden flare
#

yeah

subtle drift
#

It was easier than solo +1

brisk plank
#

nice, good stuff

subtle drift
#

And i'm not overexaggerating

wind condor
#

Solo 8s as sin are honestly fucking rough

#

Anyone get brood down tonight? We got a 15% pull but ran outta time

faint path
#

so if people can get 603 items whats the purpose of m0 😄 for example my friend have 8 key 8 603 items right?

wind condor
#

Can do 4 bountiful a day only

wooden flare
#

you might not get items you want, or you might get 8 of the same time

wind condor
#

Can do 8 zeros

hollow blade
#

whats should we be crafting with sparks?

#

this is my current gear if it matters

shy pelican
#

weapon ?

faint path
#

with which embellish?

shy pelican
#

or a wrist

spice vessel
#

everburning lantern

#

bros am i bricked

shy pelican
#

vivacity on weapon, dawnthread on wrist

hollow blade
#

i'm down for weapon

shy pelican
#

or u could go with double dawnthread, though u would need 2 sparks

hollow blade
#

is there a specific dagger?

spice vessel
#

!trinkets

hollow blade
#

2nd spark isn't out yet right?

subtle drift
shy pelican
#

check the crafting orders, but u dont need to use the spark on the dagger if u dont want, u can get a 593 dagger

hollow blade
#

okay

#

593 is from m0?

shy pelican
#

yeh

shy pecan
#

Easily.

shy pelican
#

tl;dr use the spark on the wrist with dawnthread, then craft a dagger with 593 - u can put vivacity on it if you dont have a 2nd embelishment

royal lantern
hollow blade
#

im missing my 4th fractured spark

#

is it from the campaign or smth?

shy pecan
fringe beacon
#

should you be juggling envenom

royal lantern
#

tanks going from "Literally immortal" to "slightly less immortal" dracthyr_kek

shy pecan
rotund aspen
#

is normal to echoing reprimand charged combo points when consume it not counting to get lower the deathmark?

#

or is a bug>?

royal lantern
#

known bug

shy pecan
faint path
#

I'm puging raid we wiped on first boss pog

royal lantern
shy pecan
slate crown
#

Assa friends how did the raid feel for cd alignment and general playability for you? Any major pitfalls?

sterile crest
#

seems pretty good for the later bosses

#

overall single target is not great though, and our tier set really sucks

weary cave
#

is animacharged cp not consuming Darkest Night a bug, or just confusing tooltips

dense cove
#

anyone have an opinion on whether to upgrade mainhand dagger to 606, or wait to see if i get lucky in a delve for champ/hero track?

shy pecan
prisma monolithBOT
#

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

  • Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
    Echoing Reprimand....
  • Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
  • Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
    But the 3rd cp or something?
  • Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
    Does Blizzard know?
  • There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
grim jay
grim jay
#

Not like you can push anything with a better dagger now

weary cave
#

was playing deathbringer sub, and coming to assassin its so much clunkier wtf

#

its bizarre that ambush procs dont trigger it,

hollow blade
#

are sparks only for 606 gear?

#

or can it be used for higher

grim jay
grim jay
#

You play the capstone anyways

grim jay
#

If you got the crests for that

hollow blade
#

ah damn, when can we craft those?

grim jay
#

As soon as you can farm higher keys

#

Or kill mythic raid bosses

#

Thats a complaint quite some people had

#

But you will get used to it

subtle drift
short fox
#

where can i see bis gear?

strange python
#

is shrouded suffocation or dashing scoundrel gonna be better for st?

low raptor
grim jay
prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
grim jay
#

So im slow aswell

grim jay
#

Ive seen some people already being done with pugs on normal

#

EU tho

#

Unless they are lying

weary cave
#

is avoiding pandemic clipping an Improved garrote still a thing?

runic hinge
#

yes, don't pandemic an imp garrote unless it's with another one

tawdry sedge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
mild silo
#

How come every list, graph, etc says rogue is really good but actual humans all shittin on it saying it's bad 😭

grim jay
#

Well both sources only have one thing in common

#

They are both potentially stupid

mild silo
#

LMFAO

#

Real tbh

#

Idk im trying to get back into wow but I've never taken the game seriously before and I just have no clue what to play

#

I overthink everything. So one thought and many hours later I have 4 level 70+ characters and don't know what im gonna "main" 😭😭😭😭😭😭

viscid kelp
#

😂

mild silo
#

Heck no

grim jay
#

Not to front anyone, but you cant really judge anything rn, gotta give it a few days to get atleast some data to go by.
Rogue should still be pretty fine in raid and really good in m+

mild silo
#

Ill never touch that scum class

#

Sorry I take it back

#

Sorry that was to my BFF ricky

viscid kelp
#

I think generally sin rogue will be one of the best pve out of all specs

#

And sub for pvp

#

But nothing sure yet as data is still needed

mild silo
#

My background is FPS games for the most part but I gotta feeling ima get sloppy dogged on if I do pvp

subtle drift
#

Blessed

#

First time in my life

faint path
#

from where?

bright crater
#

Are there any crafted items rogue should get or is everything that drops good for now?

grim jay
bright crater
#

Ah thank you

uneven plume
#

We can splurge on carved crests now right

bright crater
#

Personally I’m not gonna upgrade pieces until I start doing mythic and get mythic items

mild silo
#

One add-ons video later and I cant friggin see nuffin and my floaty numbers are gone. I've suffered with this disease for days too lazy to fix it

bright crater
#

How do you even turn on damage numbers on WoW

#

I completely forgot and scoured through the settings, couldn’t find anything

grim jay
#

Its in the settings

#

Theres also a command tho

uneven plume
#

So o did mythic GB. Cleared it so it means I’m locked out right

#

I*

subtle drift
uneven plume
#

But I did it the second time

subtle drift
#

Bountiful chest

uneven plume
#

And had something drop for me

#

Is it lock out per boss?

grim jay
#

Yes

bright crater
#

You’re on US?

grim jay
#

You can loot every boss in the dungeon once a day

uneven plume
#

You can loot it only once a day till you get gear I assume

#

So if no gear drops, I can run it again?

grim jay
#

No

uneven plume
#

So how did I loot the boss twice

#

o.o

grim jay
#

One kill a day can potentially drop loot, everything else is probably a bug

uneven plume
#

Sick

mild silo
mighty whale
#

/console floatingCombatTextCombatDamage 1

uneven plume
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
spiral steeple
#

what bosses we play st and what aoe talents?

orchid cedar
#

you have that in the wowhead guide

grizzled storm
#

i need help completing blackwing lair

still stirrup
#

what part?

quiet oar
#

Blackwing lair

still stirrup
#

I mean the only thing you can screw up is razorgore

main hemlock
#

has anyone tried assa rogue in raid yet? How does it compare to subrogue dmg vise

willow vine
#

I played both tonight

main hemlock
#

so how it went?

velvet ridge
#

I tried rogue in raid, feel like it's real easy to lose my mark

willow vine
#

I had fun with both but I topped meter on sub rogue with my guild

velvet ridge
#

It's like, I gotta snatch it before the boss goes intermission

main hemlock
willow vine
#

Yeah I lost mark on the double boss idk their name lol

#

Probably my fault though, so much shit going on I had no idea

velvet ridge
#

That was the one where I felt the most skill,changing it around

willow vine
velvet ridge
#

It's like, aight big guy going under soon, lemme move it over. But then move it back over for the dmg amp

bright crater
# grizzled storm i need help completing blackwing lair

You just have to kill the person on the left(when you first enter the room)- take the orb- destroy all the eggs - use 1 and 2- abilities while on the dragon- I did it very recently, I’m still farming for the transmog on my pala alt

grizzled storm
#

i need a group

vague dagger
#

anyone know if i can use Delver's Bounty ( map ) in normal T8 and still get 610 item?+

ripe carbon
#

is it writhing band that goes with the ascension sigil ?

#

well pins say so dw

normal mist
feral mason
#

how do you get the maps for hc loot from delves?

quartz osprey
#

is dslice sims kinda broken for Sin? I sim like 200k dps higher when I am in outlaw spec

feral mason
#

is it just random chests in the delve?

limpid gulch
#

Hello guys, I'm the only one to lose my trademark or that it doesn't apply ?

glacial scroll
#

Any tips on preventing auto attacks or stealth breaks from making you unable to apply deathstalkers? Not sure if Its me messing something up, but I am finding that I am struggling with this where I'll be in in stealth and still deathstalkers doesnt apply(even sheathed) or auto attack breaks stealth and then I can't apply it.

Mainly just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something

haughty flicker
#

apparently higher chance to drop in bountiful delves

glacial scroll
#

A second question as well, I keep finding myself having to mutilate for simply one combo point just so I can refresh the capstone. Is that the general experience?

spice surge
dusk ivy
#

!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
feral mason
#

like is it worth to just spam t8 delves to get them even after you do bountiful ones

#

done 2 bountiful coffers so far and not gotten any

haughty flicker
#

They drop from the non-key chests yes

#

Personally my plan is to wait until like a day or two before reset

#

And if I haven’t gotten them naturally from doing daily bountiful delves then I’ll decide if I want to farm t8s for them

#

Because the drop rate is apparently kind of shit in normal delves

jade abyss
#

why break the addspawn in the labyrinth from mists our stealth?

balmy condor
#

Because good game

#

It’s always done that

#

The adds spawning break stealth

fresh python
#

yeah i just did mists for the first time and was pretty mad

wicked dagger
#

@balmy condor how does fatebound assa feel. I see you rockin it on YouTube live 👀

grim jay
#

It feels like sin

jade abyss
grim jay
#

Bcs its just passive

distant plover
balmy condor
#

I had an unfortunate error at the start of heroic

#

where I brain lagged from reading chat

#

and I didn't ambush on pull

#

so I vanished

#

and that didn't apply the mark either

#

so I sat there on first boss heroic

#

with no hero talent for 2 min

distant plover
#

that sounds disgusting holy shit

balmy condor
#

was pretty horrid yeah

distant plover
#

dw i do that on the regular without the chat part

storm stone
#

So you ambushed but sidnt get mark or forgot?

balmy condor
#

forgot from stealth

#

didn't get it from vanish

storm stone
#

Is this some known bug

balmy condor
#

yeah

distant plover
#

daily spam for ER to work with the mark

balmy condor
#

it's called shit hero talent

storm stone
#

Cause hasnt happened to me yet

distant plover
#

imagine the quality of gameplay

storm stone
#

Maybe im just lucky

balmy condor
#

the way it works is that you can break stealth with autos

#

by mashing ambush during vanish

sweet sinew
#

awesome got ranged trinket from 1st delve

balmy condor
#

before the gcd is up

#

and so since you auto

#

the ambush isn't "from stealth"

#

and you just lose the mark

#

was just stupid by me

storm stone
#

Ah guess me being slow is an advantage

balmy condor
#

panicked and then didn't error correct

#

I played fatebound on bloodbound, sikran and rasha'nan after that

#

was okay

#

good spikes on bloodbound

#

did dam

#

and then ovi'nax we killed in like 8 pulls or something

#

last pull of the night

#

but I still have no clue what to play

#

and the rankings don't make it better

#

I played like a fatebound single target build with caustic, that was okay but we needed more aoe

#

so then I played this cause I forgot to swap into er

image.png
#

and that was totally fine

#

and then I tried it as fatebound

#

and that was fine too

wicked dagger
#

Nice, I will give fatbound a try. I do like DS, minus the bugs

balmy condor
#

and then I went to this (with caustic instead of imp poison idk why it bugged)

image.png
#

and that was like

#

pretty impressive tbh

#

that felt kinda good

wicked dagger
balmy condor
#

all of this for ovi'nax

#

so the opposite of single target

#

then I got wild and played this

image.png
#

and that was honestly fine too

wicked dagger
#

Ahh gotchya, damn I get to test so many builds!!

balmy condor
#

and then on kill I played this

image.png
#

and that was fine too

#

it all kinda did similar damage

#

idk

normal mist
#

What you're saying is: does it have AoE talents? Yes? It works

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

yeh

#

I opened the rankings after

royal lantern
#

psyops by whisp, hiding the real numbers

balmy condor
#

and like

#

lot of good rogues on this list

#

liquid, poptart corndog

#

consequence

#

might

royal lantern
#

*NA rogues

#

not good ones

normal mist
#

Oof

balmy condor
#

and you look at their talents

#

some of these mfers weren't even taking imp gar

#

on an aoe fight

#

like there's a lot of this type of thing just a kind of standard build with caustic and no CT and you call it a day

image.png
#

and like okay sure

#

whatever

violet sluice
#

WOW

balmy condor
#

but then you have these fucking lunatics

#

just playing actual full single target

#

and caustic doing the work

#

this guy in particular got twice as much damage onto parasites as me

#

which idk

#

my raid the parasites were DYING

#

and I had sudden demise specifically for them on some of the pulls

#

feels like he got to pad

normal mist
#

We get it whispyr, talent caustic and maybe CT if you're feeling adventurous and call it a day (hehehe)

balmy condor
#

but like this is fucking mess

#

if anyone opens this

royal lantern
#

i made myself a talent build that is literally just spatter for cleaving in case i CBA doing vanish->garrote stuff with improved garrote

balmy condor
#

how do you explain the spec

royal lantern
normal mist
balmy condor
#

like oh 30% took CT

#

but wait

#

people took right side too

#

and some people took master assassin?

#

and 7% took iron wire?

#

and for some reason there's more people that took imp gar than people who took sanguine

#

which doesn't make any sense

#

cuase like why would you

#

and then this fucking guy

#

this is 1 guy

#

I will find you

normal mist
#

LOL

storm stone
#

Xd

strange python
normal mist
round nexus
#

He just wants to vanish, leave him alone 😅

balmy condor
#

oh it's fine he got obliterated

normal mist
#

Whispyr rn

balmy condor
#

bro was struggling to keep up with an aug evoker

#

was a liquid split

#

oph god

#

deathstalker btw

#

bro is lost in the sauce

strange python
#

Wowhead guide bout to get crazy with all the builds

balmy condor
#

might be a liquid run

#

but dude was fighting demons on that

#

holy

storm stone
#

But you dont get it

#

When boss spawns ads you vanish and a do big aoe

balmy condor
#

yeh well why is he 25/27 then in rankings

storm stone
#

Vanish too stronk

balmy condor
#

can get into liquid splits

#

can't get higher than a 5 parse

#

unlucky

#

double vanish dead

#

confirmed

#

but yeh idk it's probably fine on ovi'nax

earnest remnant
balmy condor
#

ovi'nax feels like you just play fucking anything

#

and as long as it has caustic and kingsbane you'll be aight

solid venture
crimson jackal
#

Are people putting depths x 2 on weapons?

torpid lion
#

it feels so bad to have different bis enchants for raid and mplus

strong wing
#

Mutilate/ambush change in stealth aint working for me after patch

nocturne mortar
#

is this a good trinket for m+ ?

image.png
normal mist
#

From sims, the difference between both enchants barely matters

#

But you can test the Sims yourself

static steeple
#

Does Ascension on the dagger matter if the dagger is in your main hand or off hand slot?

merry bison
subtle tundra
#

guys the delves are so hard

#

im fucked

#

wtf

haughty sand
#

Do we have any plans for embelishments gang :)?

royal lantern
#

cus shit dies before you can press a single finisher kekman

subtle tundra
#

yea im not going into 8s

#

without a group

echo condor
#

is this guaranteed to get the ilvl 606 loot at the end of a lvl 8 delve (with key) ?

zenith wasp
icy oxide
#

Guys i just decided to go Rogue as main this season, and i get the DS playstyle on Bosses but in Dungeons with 10-20 adds how do i even find my marked target? Is it better to go the other hero for aoe?

runic hinge
#

I did a 7 without a group

#

Couldn’t get an invite to an 8

echo condor
grim jay
#

I missed Whispyrs rant

grim jay
cobalt sphinx
#

it's not very fun

grim jay
#

I mean yeah, as expected

cobalt sphinx
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it's doable though i soloed the fungal one

grim jay
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Can do them on OL

balmy condor
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secret tech for delves is going trickster

grim jay
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For added ease

balmy condor
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and just using 1 hour tricks on brann

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and then vibing

runic hinge
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True

grim jay
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Seen some going in with dps brann

oak sky
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has the start been fun guys

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i miss this

twin sparrow
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Hello! Is it worth to run some delves before raid? If so, which is the fastest delve?

grim jay
sour relic
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which variation of asn has been most successful for m0s?

grim jay
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Both work

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Ill keep using Hybrid

balmy condor
cobalt sphinx
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it is worth it yeah

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i could sap and do the whoel dungeon only having to kill like 4 packs

twin sparrow
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is brand level 15 needed?

south lava
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
twin sparrow
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i am going with a healer

grim jay
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You dont "need" him at any lv, depends on how you go in

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The lower he is the slower you gotta play

cobalt sphinx
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no my brann was 10 when i started

lavish summit
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Hi! At fatebound, opener:
We get the initial two same face after breaking stealth

Then deathmark, we have 3-1

Vanish? Then 5-3?

Cold blood 6-4, 7-5?

And we get the 7coin permabuff?

Maybe I am not understanding Double Jeopardy works

novel star
grim jay
runic hinge
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
tawdry flint
cyan karma
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Hey guys, just wondering, after using ambush, is it generally better to use garrot+rupture straight away or use mutilate first? Just in regards to my ambush key bind… I had it the same as mutilate but I’m thinking it should share garrots… cheers

minor swift
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so now when things r out, did we do any changes in the talent tree? and hero tree

hidden stream
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i assumne still not smart using spark? any idea on when we should?

sinful island
tall cradle
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gg

faint path
tall cradle
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Ascension on dagger + writhing banding is technically bis right now
IS this still the case?

faint path
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time to reroll outlaw I guess

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grim jay
ornate gate
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are we supposed to use bubbling wax on mh and whetstone on other?

brisk plank
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@balmy condor are you going to change any of the talent builds for each boss in the raid now after youve tried it live?

vocal minnow
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so do you level delves on another character cause of maps or what is the tech?

balmy condor
faint path
brisk plank
balmy condor
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either is fine

brisk plank
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ill play deatstalker just to learn how to play it correctly so when (hopefully) they fix bugs and its better than fate im ready. thanks man

hardy prairie
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should we still wait to omen craft?

vestal wren
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just to fuck with the statistic

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or ER sub

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(but that would mean playing ER)

knotty summit
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outlaw generally doing better than assas based on logs?

scenic jetty
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yes much better

sour oasis
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@balmy condor you play sin fatebound for raid ?

balmy condor
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I did heroic ovi'nax with both

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and I legit cannot see a difference in the logs

hidden stream
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is it still dawnthread on belt/wrist for embellishemnt/spark?

balmy condor
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yes

hidden stream
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alrite

thin kernel
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Delver's bounty can be done on any delve right? doesnt have to be bountiful for hero track?

safe shale
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Those outlaw logs tho...

raven panther
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Should we group with people for t8 delves ? I have no problme going to last boss, but here I have a big stat check, he just deals too much damage and kill me with spells I can't dodge