assassination

[rich parrot]

outlaw assa or sub

[runic hinge]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[keen spruce]

Yes

[normal mist]

yes

[thorn fjord]

Might be a dumb question

But what takes prio

Putting up Rupture or putting up DS mark

[hardy venture]

Do we want to start using bountiful keys at T8 and higher?

[cobalt bison]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[normal mist]

AoE or ST?

[thorn fjord]

ST

[spice spire]

This should never come up fwiw

[normal mist]

i'd say DN then

in AoE i'd think ruptures

for 20% agi

[spice spire]

Nah it’s definitely still dn.
The rupture stacks matter. But - the finisher damage still is significant

Not 100% though not tryna ego check you royal

[orchid cedar]

any rogue stream to watch?

[arctic socket]

In aoe ruptures are more

[spice spire]

When

[arctic socket]

Idk

[fair coyote]

definetly imexile but he keeps playing sub for now

[arctic socket]

Just sounds better

[spice spire]

I meant when did you think I asked you

[arctic socket]

When you replied to my message

Was a pretty clear question

[strong wing]

You only tea at the start of kingsbane now? Or if we play master assasin we still tea at the end of it

[spice spire]

Oh miscomm mbmb

[proud bough]

Hey, If I have too much of mastery for the moment, which full mono spec do your recommand ? Deathstalker or fatebound ? Death stalker with vicious venom ? Or improvied garrote ?

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

Certain strange situations

[spice spire]

Yes + for energy but always have a tea up for kb

[spice spire]

Pandemic exists. So you should never really be OUT of rupture and do the dn thing.
If there’s problem ahead I’d think you can pool effectively

[urban trench]

Is there a macro that casts ambush if possible, otherwise mutilate?

[normal mist]

no

2x lethality

[cold glen]

Is there any recommended or minimum haste?

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[orchid cedar]

the game already does this?

[worn badger]

can we only craft 1 epic right now ? im dumb and confused

[spice spire]

Not in stealth. It does for blind side procs

[distant plinth]

What time is the server up in CEST eu time 05 or 06?

[thorn fjord]

so keep ER and run 2 lethalities?

[normal mist]

yes

[thorn fjord]

I havent checked shit on anything ST lol

[thorny harness]

which 590 do i craft with my last enchanted weathered what do u guys suggest ?

[thorn fjord]

Ty boiz

[spice spire]

But that’s a very simple “stealth bar ambush instead of mut”

[spice spire]

Gl mister dieslow

[distant plinth]

Wtf u havent crafted rings and neck? Its free socket slots

[normal mist]

boots

[thorny harness]

so rings, neck better than boots?

i wanted a ring ye

[distant plinth]

Yes

[cloud basin]

where do we get our spark this week from?

[normal mist]

neck you can get a 584 from a quest

[thorny harness]

crit mastery i suppose stat?

[waxen oyster]

if he has the renown

[normal mist]

its whatever

[waxen oyster]

assa can really go any stats

[thorny harness]

i am close to that renown yes

[waxen oyster]

just whatever you're low in

[spice spire]

Going vers haste to feel something

[waxen oyster]

you joke but i have a hast vers piece

[normal mist]

same

[urban trench]

Its not doing it for me

[spice spire]

Crafting haste vers would be wild

[normal mist]

elvui?

[waxen oyster]

Why

[urban trench]

Nope, normal

[normal mist]

blindside talented?

[urban trench]

no

[normal mist]

😐

[spice spire]

Just change Mut and ambush on stealth bar

[thorn fjord]

trash

[waxen oyster]

no one look at my stats being 6k crit, 5k haste, 5k vers, 10k mast though

[urban trench]

Wait i should be able to cast ambush in subterfuge right?

[waxen oyster]

at least i have candle

so my haste looks non shit during cds

[normal mist]

yes which we dont use

we do not use subterfuge

ever

[urban trench]

ah

[real pike]

it feels so rough doing less damage than at the end of DF, wish it didn't be like this

[urban trench]

im leveling atm tho

wasnt gonna play this expac but said fuck it after 1 week

[thorn fjord]

You should be doing more breh

[urban trench]

so opener is ambush?

[normal mist]

true gamer mentality

[normal mist]

if your deathstalker

yes

[real pike]

seriously?

[urban trench]

cool

thx

[thorn fjord]

Yeah man lol

[real pike]

maybe it's cause I'm comparing buffless dummy to boss fights in DF but it definitely feels lower

[arctic socket]

You’re doing less damage then you were on df?

That’s like impossible

[spice spire]

What was st at the end of df

[normal mist]

no idea

didnt play

[thorn fjord]

I was not bursting close to 2m towards the end of DF

[spice spire]

Ik my pisslow toon is like 760k dps

Same

I’m doing like 6x more damage than when I left

And my gear is ass

[thorn fjord]

💪

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Current sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aocrHSAkTEaVibQvu2M95V

[arctic socket]

Your sim is low

[real pike]

maybe I'm remembering myself as better than I was but felt like 700/800k+ was pretty obtainable

[thorn fjord]

Hoping for 4p tonight

[spice spire]

How am I 5 ilvl behind and doing more

[arctic socket]

Why is your sim so low

[real pike]

and on the dummy I'm doing 550/600k

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Is it?

[arctic socket]

Yeah

I’m doing 100k more

[thorn fjord]

Check it maybe im fucking up

[normal mist]

talents

[real pike]

this is like me

[normal mist]

resounding clarity

[thorn fjord]

oh that was without double lethal

sec

[normal mist]

and spec tree is also fucked if i udnerstand correctly

[keen rover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[wide oasis]

is this trinket bad? I mean, I checked wowhead guide and the only downside to it was the low ilvl, but I got a high ilvl one from World Quests

[arctic socket]

Does it sim higher than your other ones?

[real pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mgMUu5v5tCPs62Z2evL3tb

fully raidbuffed

[normal mist]

thats the latest build

[worn badger]

i have way to much anxiety about crafting gear =/

[real pike]

and correct talents

[normal mist]

no improve garrote

no shroud

[indigo mulch]

Wait no imp garrote? 😮

[real pike]

yeah I think it's the burst that gets me

[orchid cedar]

btw, Wax is really close to Sharpening stone in ST

[spice spire]

Yes

New thing

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i just saw the fuck ups

Super weird

[orchid cedar]

but how's that in aoe?

[indigo mulch]

I've been living under a rock, when did this happen?

[thorn fjord]

Resimming now

[spice spire]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[real pike]

like I was bursting way over 1m on open in DF and now am lucky to hit 800k

[orchid cedar]

doesn't say anything about AOE

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tJCqytjHmgTQrUin8WT5ZX

[real pike]

simming 765k fully buffed 😭

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dCKfsk4DMTPmSvXqjiXv44

[pure moth]

Today

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8T8F3jrGzfgFvxBGZswAYJ

DIdnt improve much

[normal mist]

just like me

[indigo mulch]

Whats the actual gain?

[real pike]

oh ok I'm not as behind as I thought

maybe I just remember big KB spikes from DF but it definitely feels like I'm doing less, but rose tinted glasses and all that

[waxen oyster]

i sim 800 with buffs

and cheap enchants

[novel oracle]

does reprimand work with deathmark

[normal mist]

no

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[novel oracle]

is it not supposed to?

[normal mist]

yes

its a bug

[spice spire]

Nerd

[eternal hawk]

I got hero track belt from delves, can i craft my 2nd embellishment on my cloak bc its the lowest ilvl?

[thorn fjord]

Am I still missing anything? Brain is fried right now @spice spire @normal mist

[indigo mulch]

The gain is what? 0.3~0.5%?

[tall atlas]

not one yellow man in these liquid splits

sad times

[waxen oyster]

if you dont get the cantrip cloak

[spice spire]

Bro I’m on mobile I ain’t checking that

[waxen oyster]

its not a dps gain cloak but its nice to have

in full gear

[indigo mulch]

By swapping into dashing and the poison talent i can never remember.

D:

[thorn fjord]

Scrub

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[spice spire]

Gotta look at the long term big dog

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[remote trellis]

thank god for bone spike

[unkempt sapphire]

Has anyone done waterworks on 8

Last boss is fucking me

[obtuse latch]

yall doing deathstalker or fatevound for raid?

[normal mist]

i did put pi on my sim

~because im getting it

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok I am too but don’t usually sim with PI

[indigo mulch]

I'm honestly not not if i should run fatebound or deathstalker at this point to be fair D:

[normal mist]

let me then resim without it

[thorn fjord]

So I’ll assume are sims are closer now then

[chrome junco]

guys, I keep doing damage while on stealth and that makes me go out of stealth

is it a bug?

[real pike]

controversial opinion - whatever you enjoy more

[haughty lantern]

that reminds me, who gets PI priority? should i be cuddling up to one of my priests?

[real pike]

not us any more afaik

[thorn fjord]

Sham and possibly dk

[real pike]

which I'm kind of pleased about

[normal mist]

I already did

[sand mango]

map

[normal mist]

And i'm usually my guilds top DPS

[indigo mulch]

No i know its a controversial opinion, but like.. fatebound is just way easier to play. If i look at fuu's sims it seams to be slightly ahead of DS as well.

[normal mist]

(we're casual)

so he loves me

[real pike]

being optimal PI target sucked - you either didn't get it and it felt shitty or you did and it was neutral

glad it's someone else's problem now

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

Being a PI target was horrible

;s

[haughty lantern]

we have like 3 priests in my raid comp tho

[real pike]

DS is slightly ahead but harder to play optimally

[indigo mulch]

Is it? Just looking at fuu's sims fatebound is ahead unless they are old sims.

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aMo68aHCeX5UZ7mGxgJdq5 @normal mist thats with PI

[real pike]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[real pike]

hmm I was pretty sure DS was slightly ahead but I am a smooth brained simpleton so

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

[bitter saddle]

Where’d you get that

[haughty lantern]

rank 16 with council of dorn

[indigo mulch]

Honestly i'm just going to give fatebound a try in HC. I have to cry less about landing on 6CPs and wasting a mutialte on there.

[bitter saddle]

Damn

[white orchid]

There’s no reason to vanish in opener if you’re playing that new build with no improved garrote or shrouded right?

[spice spire]

Nerd

[bitter saddle]

Im only like rank 9

[topaz pebble]

@white orchid What new build

[white orchid]

Yea that one

[safe shale]

Why sim with PI?

[real pike]

you vanish > ambush after you proc Darkest Night

[spice spire]

Drops imp garrote for imp poisons

[normal mist]

what if he gets pi

[thorn fjord]

I get it

[safe shale]

Your rogues get PI?

Thats crazy

[sweet storm]

!rotation

[real pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/huamZdB92eJGs8vnuXzwRf oooo

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wkAF75nreMJUQno1ixZ3Pn all buffs + pi

[tall cradle]

what we crafting

[delicate imp]

how do we get our 4th fragment? is it just a chance drop?

[real pike]

I've decided all my future sims will be with PI

[topaz pebble]

@spice spire is that st?

[spice spire]

Yes

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sweet storm]

was checking that opener image cannot find it :p

!opener

😄

[thorn fjord]

No point if you’re not getting it tho

[sweet storm]

ty

[storm hedge]

I don't get it. We drop improved garrote, but take Arterial precision over tiny toxic blade in pure ST?

[safe shale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sD872KiBVcYDmWiDwWwUQt

WIth PI though ive never seen a rogue ever get PI before

[real pike]

but but bigger numbers make me feel warm and fuzzy inside

[spice spire]

It was all the rage in df

[raven panther]

What should you use vanish for if you don't play imp garrot ?

[real pike]

ignore that Vanish says about imp gar and also you want to refresh garotte during pandemic in there also

[spice spire]

Defensive, reapply marks

Works is your oyster

[real pike]

to use ambush to set up a gigaenvenom when you have darkest night active

during KB

[raven panther]

ok

why during KB ?

[real pike]

bigger numbers better

[raven panther]

it's hte same during or not ?

[real pike]

technically during DM KB as Vanish is 2min cd

[storm hedge]

It's more during shiv than during KB

[safe shale]

If i play fatebound, can i just ignore it entirely? xD Dsm so buggy

[bitter saddle]

So I do first mark and use it all then vanish and reapply with ambush to then overwrite it with the darkest night envenom?

[real pike]

if you play fatebound I believe you still do the imp garotte play

[spice spire]

You can and I won’t be mad. Just disappointed

[real pike]

yes but you don't overwrite, you have darkest night active plus the DsM, so your next envenom procs both

[bitter saddle]

Ye but it also puts new mark right

That’s pretty cool actually big number but fun

[real pike]

the ambush does

but you'll go down to 2 stacks of DsM with the envenom

[storm hedge]

It doesn't put new mark if you have mark active already

[bitter saddle]

Ah

[storm hedge]

It used to but now doesn't

[bitter saddle]

That’s not so cool then sadge

[real pike]

it is better

you want to go through the cycle as much as possible I think

[storm hedge]

You get to next capstone faster

[chrome junco]

Guys when I target an enemy while on stealth (with tab), the stealth breaks, is this a bug? I lose duels just because of that...

[thorn fjord]

So wait we’re not clearing the witnesses anymore?

[spice spire]

Not with vv

That’s been known for a bit

[real pike]

nah bun that ting brev

[thorn fjord]

Ok

[real pike]

is this true?

I don't have any alts 😭

[keen rover]

same lol

[iron valve]

I haven't seen any maps yet fwiw

[haughty flicker]

i am like 90% sure the maps can only drop from bountiful delves

[thorn fjord]

I shoulda kept up better this week lol now I’m overwhelmed and feel behind

[haughty lantern]

btw uh don't vanish on the final wave of awakening the machine

it bugs out

[real pike]

I heard wave 19 bugs out but wave 20 it just insta dies

[raven panther]

plus probably if you don't loot them they reappaer and doesn't count in the 3 per week

[sour oasis]

i love the fact that the log

show the 3 specs are good

[haughty lantern]

i knew delves were gonna have some meta shit to them. glad i did world content instead of directly diving in head first

[haughty lantern]

but yeah i can attest to this, one of my friends got hero track pants

[real pike]

interesting

also fuck my next highest level is 70 lmao

[waxen talon]

Where did you get this from?

[tall cradle]

what embellishments we crafting guys?

[real pike]

reddit, where all information is reliable all of the time

[stark umbra]

just dont loot anything till u get to 8

[waxen talon]

guess im not leveling on delves on my rogue then

[zinc kernel]

Now that we have some infos, are we crafting crit embelish?

[normal mist]

we barely have infos

NA just started beta testing

[raven panther]

idk if this is knows but this graph is wrong whitout Improved Garrot and shrouded suffocation (which is the best build atm).
Your rupture will be 4 cp (instead of 5 because no shrouded suffocation) and won't trigger a charge, so you will be off by one DS charge, you might want to do a FoK or mutilate before rupture

[normal mist]

Whispyr is streaming so you can go bother him with questions 😛

[balmy condor]

mut before the rup

[fair coyote]

doesn't this also apply to the first envenom with ER bug?

[raven panther]

no FoK to use Clear the witness ?

[real pike]

not with VV

[raven panther]

what is VV ?

[real pike]

vicious venoms

[raven panther]

ok

[real pike]

yeah sometimes if you land on a 4cp anima charge from your opening ER you're one proc behind on DsM but I find it doesn't really change anything

you just vanish > ambush a bit later

[quasi steeple]

Hello everyone, sorry to bother, is this one decent?

[haughty lantern]

@normal mist are you proud of me dad?

[spice spire]

Nerd

[grave blade]

Are you guys spark crafting a dagger or bracers?

[fallow sonnet]

if i got this in a delve is it still worth replacing this with the crafted rune braided armbands even tho itd be a lower ilvl for the embellishment?

[flint marsh]

yo anyone know why i'm getting destealthed by the training dummies in dornogal? I drop combat to stealth and then they just unstealth me somehow?

[shy pecan]

ilvl.

[cosmic harness]

so do we make dagger and armguards this week? with darkmoon sigil on weapon?

[safe shale]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[raven panther]

I don't see darkmoon sigil not getting nerfed after everyoen craft it

it's bis on every class

[normal mist]

Bro the day isnt even over, KEEP PUSHING

[ionic trench]

you might have a bone spike left in them

[haughty lantern]

WHO SAID I WAS DONE???

WE GOT RAID TONIGHT

[fallow sonnet]

what is darkmoon sigil?

[normal mist]

LETS GO

[waxen oyster]

male nelf

eww

[fallow sonnet]

is that enchant or no

[shy pecan]

Or sim.

[haughty lantern]

darkmoon sigil is inscrip

[real pike]

yeah it lasts indefinitely but drops based on range, you need to mount up and do a lil lap around Dornogal (going past the forge to the arch opposite and back) and it drops

[haughty lantern]

you turn a darkmoon deck into an embelish

[flint marsh]

spike destealths you does it? am I being dumb

[real pike]

it does damage

[flint marsh]

but doing damage doesnt drop stealth does it

am I going crazy

[real pike]

I think so???

[brittle cloud]

So we vanish > ambush in ST now? Dropping imp garrote and shrouded to pick up what?

[raven panther]

idk it look bugged with Spike

in pvp it does the same it's so bad

[flint marsh]

they've still got spikes on them right now and I'm in stealth without it breaking 😦

[cosmic harness]

relogging works

[ionic trench]

for me it was when bone spike was applying fatal intent into them

every application of fatal intent got me out of stealth

[flint marsh]

yeah that sounds right to what was happening

[fallow sonnet]

so which sigil do we want? symmbiosis i asume?

[feral mason]

damn dawg m0 is still looking like an absolute joke

somewhat realistic dungeon content has to wait another week i guess

[sturdy stirrup]

what if we dont have an alt how do we push delve tier to 8

[feral mason]

then you miss out on 3 hero tier items for a week

not the end of the world

[swift dagger]

chances are u wont get any maps during leveling to T8 delves

[haughty flicker]

You almost certainly won’t get any maps

[swift dagger]

so just send it

[haughty flicker]

I’m still not convinced they can even drop outside of bountiful delves

[crisp shard]

I have 6 keys leading into this week

and I still don't want to spend them

[shy crow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel moss]

If you only have 1 toon just dont loot the chests at the end when leveling your delv to T8

[desert vault]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1

that still work for tricks macro?

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cosmic harness]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[ionic trench]

During deathmark the double applied 10 stacks of amplifying poison gives a lot of bonus damage to the darkest night envenom, should I ever wait for the 10 stacks or I dont care?

[normal mist]

nah

just press buttons

[thorn fjord]

Ok so I think I get the changes now

Double down on fat envenoms

[candid saffron]

i blacklisted all everything beside garrote/rupture/caustic spatter, is there a reason to track poisons ? wont change our rotation anyway no ?

[thorn fjord]

And refresh DS as frequently as possible

That it?

[ionic trench]

But it seems like a lot of damage. Does it come back somehow?

[bronze plover]

whats rotation with current build with no improved garrote and envenome gives slice n dice

[keen viper]

is the raid good for assa?

[normal mist]

If it was really important, there would be a note for that in the guides

it isn't a big deal

[normal mist]

The raid is good for everyone

[normal mist]

yes

5+ finishers besides when you have DN, where you'll only force the 7CP to proc it

[sour oasis]

For me when i analyze the log and sim

The raid is fine for our 3 specs

[normal mist]

Its normal/heroic

[sour oasis]

i think the gambling of outlaw can outperforming other spec

sure

[normal mist]

its supposed to be fine for every spec

[sour oasis]

you right

for MM

[normal mist]

Yeah MM might be a bit different

[sour oasis]

i think Sub/Sin will be a head

(sorry my bad english)

[normal mist]

Probably, we'll need to wait a week to actually see whats up

[sour oasis]

Outlaw in MM, and it's difficult for me to say that because it's my pref spec

[thorn fjord]

Rip

[normal mist]

MM - mythic mode

[sour oasis]

will be less efficience than Sin

[thorn fjord]

I think sub ends up being the prog spec

[sour oasis]

hmmm

[normal mist]

But since i'm not a mythic raider

i don't fucking care

[sour oasis]

we have some cleave

[normal mist]

heuhuehue

[thorn fjord]

Hehe

[sour oasis]

in sin

[thorn fjord]

I’m running sin this week and swapping to sub for Sunday raid prob

Just to get some reps in

[normal mist]

Bro i really want our rogue brothers and sisters to just enjoy the game and understand this isn't a race but a marathon

[thorn fjord]

Been doing this too long bro 😂 ima play whatever’s meta

[normal mist]

smh my head

(i can't play anything but assa)

[haughty flicker]

Neither can I

That’s why I’m playing hunter instead

[autumn rover]

Hell ya our fearless leader is playing fb live right meow 🙂

[thorn fjord]

Hoping with the anniversary changes I can play some OL in raid tbh

[haughty flicker]

All 3 specs piss easy

[normal mist]

he was just playing DS

[real pike]

Oo ty helpful

[mellow sun]

How’s the delve loot treating the boys

[runic hinge]

DS is such a bitch to play around

[flint marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[haughty flicker]

Saw a guy get 4 necks so at least I’m doing better than him

[thorn fjord]

And now with this newly acquired info it sucks that we gotta move shit around to account for the shenanigans

Waaah

Newly acquired for me that is

[normal mist]

xD

[spring stream]

i switched specs the whole day because i like all specs the same xd

[gloomy otter]

anyone tried this WA ? it doesnt seem to work for me

[normal mist]

most people here

[thorn fjord]

Delete it and any other class wa

Then re import

Any other rogue class wa sorry

[mighty urchin]

Darkest night proc > charged combo point?

[gloomy otter]

ah sry wrong WA

i meant this one

https://wago.io/oEgXLFhtk

[thorn fjord]

Whispyrs has that baked in

[gloomy otter]

oh ok gonna try that then

ty

[quasi steeple]

where can i find his WA?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

[hearty reef]

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

[thorn fjord]

[haughty flicker]

That’s the wrong emote

Thats so two hours ago

[thorn fjord]

SIKE DATS THE WRONG NUMBER

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

Xalacath

[thorn fjord]

🐾

[red jolt]

With shitty early game stats (7% haste) I feel like I'm constantly energy starved, trying to clip Envenom and reapplying DeathMark when I have to. Anyone else feeling this or me just bad? Should I like, just try to clip as many Envenom as I can then just pool until full and try again?

Dont mean to disturb the Xalacath discussion xd

[royal lantern]

haste has no effect on energy

never had

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[red jolt]

Whaat

Fake news?

[royal lantern]

10% haste is 1 energy

1

[red jolt]

Ahhh

[royal lantern]

mutilate is 55

do the math

[red jolt]

But how important is clipping Envenom buff?

[royal lantern]

very important

thats your main gameplay

[red jolt]

So I clip until starving, then pool until full-ish?

[hollow compass]

stay above 50% energy

[royal lantern]

no

why do you say that

[haughty flicker]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[hollow compass]

@royal lantern Sanguine Blades?

[red jolt]

But how do I maximise uptime?

[royal lantern]

fatebound=pool until ~70% and them chain envenoms until you cant and rpeat

deathstalker=spam abilitys until you are under 50% energy and the chain envenoms

[fallow sonnet]

anyone know how much crit difference the 2 star dawnthread lining embellishment gives vs the 3star more expensive one?

[royal lantern]

envenom->build cp->wait with envenom until the envenom buff is at ~1second

[fallow sonnet]

is it worth going for 3 star if im only at like 80k gold

[royal lantern]

we dont Play around that, we never did

[spice surge]

Literally no difference

[fallow sonnet]

like actaully 0?

[spice surge]

The only difference is the crafting difficulty

Yes

[fallow sonnet]

so i could get the one star one?

[spice surge]

If your crafter can achieve the same rank with r1 as a r3 yes

[fallow sonnet]

oh ok

[hollow compass]

why do we wanna spam envenom belov 50%?

[fallow sonnet]

so i need to find my belt crafter first

[red jolt]

I get the Fatebound one. I dont get what you said for Deathstalker.

[novel star]

584 arathor insignia simming 1.2% higher than this freaky fucker

what an ugly trinket

sprinting for dps

[haughty flicker]

Move speed tho

[royal lantern]

@spice surge can you so me a favor and explain it, ita 1am and i wanna sleep

[haughty flicker]

Op

[royal lantern]

[novel star]

i wonder if it checks movespeed like the stat or

your actual current moving speed

can i sprint and stand still and gain dps

[red jolt]

I know this one. So, do I envenom clip until I starve out, then pool until 70% energy, repeat? Just like you said for Fatebound?

[glass spade]

Do we want to make sure that we DON’T apply caustic spatter to the same target we are envenoming or does it not matter?

[novel star]

?????

why would you do that

[pliant remnant]

wot

[novel star]

spatter spreads envenom

[manic quartz]

why wouldnt you want envenom to spatter

[cobalt sphinx]

you probably gotta read spatter again

[hollow compass]

@tryan please explain 🙂

xD

[red jolt]

@royal lantern Pls expleen this more I want to understand

[desert vault]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[red jolt]

Am on board on this one

[haughty flicker]

Sanguine blades makes your abilities cost more energy

[red jolt]

Ah, I'm not running that. Is that recommended?

[haughty flicker]

Deathstalker wants as many envenom casts as possible

Uh

Probably

[red jolt]

Icy veins raid one doesnt have it

[spice spire]

Then it goes through basic pooling options

You chain until you can’t anymore

Chill for a bit until 70% energy

[haughty flicker]

Without sanguine just chain yeah

[spice spire]

Then chain again

[runic hinge]

It makes your bleeds eat more energy to do more damage but they don’t cost more

[red jolt]

Okay! Thaank. So if you go Sanguine Blades, you just make sure to apply bleeds 50> energy, then chain? Or?

[runic hinge]

Just to clarify

[haughty flicker]

Yeah fair

[red jolt]

[haughty flicker]

I haven’t been playing sin recently so I’m a bit rusty

[red jolt]

Tbh if I can skip that talent all together I would be a happier rogue lmao

[novel star]

deathstalker skips sanguine in raid

[red jolt]

Pheeew

[runic hinge]

You can if you play deathstalker

[novel star]

you can never skip it in m+

because you have infinite energy in aoe so its too good

[red jolt]

Yeah, energy is not a problem in AoE lmao

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/jJN4qEZ.png

what exactly is the difference between these builds?

[knotty dust]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[pliant remnant]

You can scroll down and have a look yourself

[spice spire]

The hero tree is an easy spotter

And imp garrote is taken in fatebound but not death stalker

In the end

[normal mist]

it doesnt even matter

[haughty flicker]

Fuck

[spice spire]

I recommend playing both hero talents and figuring which one you like both are more than fine to play

[haughty flicker]

I was late

[spice spire]

Ok

[haughty flicker]

I hate you royal

[blazing jewel]

Coinmancer banned

[normal mist]

AHAHAH

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire what happened to my snd icon

[haughty flicker]

I’m old I can’t type fast on mobile

[spice spire]

It got yoinked

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Mf I’m the ancient of this channel

[red jolt]

Btw thanks all who replied to me ❤️ Helped immensely

[spice spire]

Dog I’m not staff don’t ask me

Glad to help lamp gl homie

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

Retired staff

[knotty dust]

"I'm not staff dont ask me" lmao

[spice spire]

I unretired

[blazing jewel]

[normal mist]

^ not in my heart

[spice spire]

Kinda my goat of lines rn

[blazing jewel]

About to show quake my staff fr

[spice spire]

I don’t have to do shit

[royal lantern]

green name = not playing

no green name = playing again

[normal mist]

Quake just wanted vacations

[spice spire]

Let’s calm down Kyle. Let’s get a few monsters in you first

[blazing jewel]

Quake getting paid in gamer gummies

[spice spire]

And I’m not talking the energy drink

[blazing jewel]

[median beacon]

what we think aboujt this trinket

[thorn fjord]

y'all running M+ build or ST for delves?

[spice spire]

several months of therapy for unrelated to gaming things, same diff tho

[normal mist]

idk man i can't think

[spice spire]

Vacation helped fuel immensely

[knotty dust]

AoE build

[normal mist]

I know bro i know

You need more cat pics

[spice spire]

I think I’m plugging into raidbots.com and checking values

[thorny spruce]

Afenar WeakAura don't track Fan buff from Hero talent ?

[spice spire]

No I’m fr good now

[normal mist]

fr fr?

[spice spire]

I don’t think afenar has been updated as it?

[normal mist]

fr im happy for you man

legit dog happy

[haughty flicker]

Afenar gone

[spice spire]

I mean mostly. Lot of change in 23 lead to a lot of fixing needed. But I think it’s lead to healthier decisions

[thorny spruce]

oh :/ there is a update for Marks

[knotty dust]

wait what o.O??

[normal mist]

Thats a start! All small steps are still steps

[haughty flicker]

Bro I just made that up

[kind forge]

[normal mist]

Unless you're pressing S

[haughty flicker]

I have no idea where he is

[main urchin]

do bountiful delves really not pay attention to what spec the player is ? (yes i used a key. am not maining this character)

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[knotty dust]

ya'll play too much

[spice spire]

They do not

[main urchin]

that fucking sucks

[spice spire]

They just make sure you can use it

Ie. It provides proper secondary

Yes it does

[spice spire]

I play myself every day homie

[blazing jewel]

Do you remember when poison bomb technically counted as a ranged spell and could proc the magmorax trinket when that was bis for everyone

[spice spire]

Kind of a pro

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

[spice spire]

Learned a fun fact two days ago about you

Ur discord profile thing is pink

Thought it was grey the entire time

[silk bane]

wait hold onwhat

[silk bane]

would ukiss me if i change it to grey?

[blazing jewel]

[marble hemlock]

dog, just because you have a dogpfp, doesnt mean you need to have the eyesight of one

[spice spire]

I’ll kiss u rn

[gloomy otter]

how do i disable the standart wow castbar?

[spice spire]

I’m literally colorblind

[sonic schooner]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[native escarp]

pre raid bis its as simple as that

[earnest grotto]

we assuming this embelishment thats bis for 32 specs gonna get nerfed still?

[hearty reef]

grim batol open?

[native escarp]

yea, m0s are the seasonal dungeons

[spice surge]

Heroics should be too

[hearty reef]

pog?

[native escarp]

i got fuck all besides that

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter, all embellishments are shit anyway

[native escarp]

and im probably playing sub anyway

[spice surge]

Like ye ascension is better because its worth 0.6% instead of 0.5%

But its fairly inconsequential

[earnest grotto]

@spice surge compared to the crit above 80%?

[spice surge]

Yes and everything else

[earnest grotto]

seems like i should just do that way cheaper and better for M+

[ionic vale]

Heya, I want to ask you guys something; In the dungeon after a pack got my Darkest Night buff, after that I enter the other pack with Ambush. I got both DsM and DN buff on me. But when I pop my 7CP Envenome I didn't get fresh DsM on my target. Then I had to complete the pack without the buffs. Is this a bug?

[earnest grotto]

@spice surge well ty for the info. i hate that blizz does this vauge crap with them every expac now

[halcyon grail]

not really a bug? just bad snapshotting? The tooltip for DsM says clearly the debuff cannot be on 2 targets.

[spice surge]

And most embellishments also dont scale with the ilvl of the item you put it on

For some reason

Which i assume to be a bug

[ionic vale]

I see, so I shouldn't apply DsM on another target when I have my DN buff then

[spice surge]

But its still here since day 1 of beta

So who knows

[halcyon grail]

yeah, not until you've killed the previous.

[ionic vale]

Alright, thanks alot!

[halcyon grail]

np@

[haughty lantern]

are m0s daily or weekly lockout?

[native escarp]

daily

[wintry trout]

I know there isnt enough data for this yet but is assass or sub better for the raid ?

[native escarp]

probably sub

better dmg profile for most bosses

[wintry trout]

fairs

[spice surge]

For the most part sub and assa have the same damage profile

But ye idk its probably pretty close

[native escarp]

its just the add spawns are a bit awkward forr assa

whereas sub just has cleave from nimble

kinda pad bu ye

[wintry trout]

ye makes sense

[spice surge]

Assa just has spatter though

Same thing

[novel moss]

seems youll be fine if you dont have an alt

[sullen mural]

Yo where this shit from

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[exotic epoch]

Can you ONLY apply deathmark from ambush from stealth or does blindside apply it too?

[spice surge]

Only from stealth

[nimble thunder]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic tusk]

is the best m+ build for fatebound blleed builld?

[proper axle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[arctic tusk]

cb in aoe? eeven tho no fatebound

[sour oasis]

What do you think about the build

withouth echo and with more Poison dmg

[sullen mural]

ER is just so nice to have tho

[old halo]

wuts up with this?

[sour oasis]

sim 2% better

[round harbor]

i like cold blood. macro it and forget

🙂

[old halo]

cany press it for some reason

[thick stratus]

what macro bro

[old halo]

its says it disabled

[normal mist]

Are you mounted?

[old halo]

no by dummies

[normal mist]

If you press CB it doesn't activate?

[old halo]

correct, its greayed out

[normal mist]

You sure it isn't already activated on the buffs bar?

[old halo]

oh rip

no one laugh

[normal mist]

I saw nothing

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[cobalt sphinx]

7.5 m0s and only 2 pieces

supremely unlucky

[normal mist]

Imagine if it was daily

[plush vessel]

it is daily no ?

[normal mist]

Yes it it's

[plush vessel]

[haughty flicker]

it it's indeed

[normal mist]

Was just trying to give Mike a perspective that he doesn't need to worry, he can do it all tomorrow

And the day after

[plush vessel]

• delves

[normal mist]

Yep!

[plush vessel]

and worldboss and raid

[normal mist]

And lfr

[plush vessel]

and emm boe

[haughty flicker]

i barely manage 8 dungeons a week

[normal mist]

Are there boes?

[haughty flicker]

8 dungeons a day aint happening

ye there are

[plush vessel]

arent there any boes ?

[haughty flicker]

saw some on ah

[round harbor]

almost lvl 79 pog

lmao

[normal mist]

That's because we're getting older

[plush vessel]

idk im eu i just cant sleep @normal mist

[oblique kiln]

always hold both shivs for KB? and hold vanish for deathstalker after DM? after the initial opener in the second round

[normal mist]

All good I'm also eu

[normal mist]

Both shivs for kb

[plush vessel]

[hoary apex]

on st is it worth refreshing improved garrote outside of pandemic window

[echo talon]

if i use sprint counts as a buff?

[earnest timber]

Is there a new KB trainer timer?

[lucid horizon]

anyone know if there is a haste minimum we want to have?

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

Or if you want haste BCS energy, there's an even better command

[runic hinge]

Just shiv at 8 seconds left

[lucid horizon]

ty

[lucid horizon]

what is that?

[normal mist]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[tawny junco]

Is there a reason why ppl are playing deathstalker if fatebound is simming more?

[normal mist]

Personal preference

Not everyone min max

[keen spruce]

Fatebound stinky

[normal mist]

I just want to play DS and think I'm cool

[keen spruce]

[swift dagger]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[hoary kernel]

im guessing envenoming on ER combo point not procing darkest night is a bug?

[normal mist]

Bug yes

[frigid pilot]

r ppl crafting embelishes yet or nah

[hoary kernel]

[normal mist]

Remove the ER capstone and put it in lethality for 2/2

(so you only have 1 anima charged combo point)

[hoary kernel]

might as well go cold blood no? Or is ER still better?

[normal mist]

Er better

[hoary kernel]

alright sounds good

[tawny shell]

Are ppl personally simming more as Assa or Sub ST?

[normal mist]

I don't know how to play sub so I'm definitely simming way more as assa

[sour oasis]

That change something on the rotation?

And you do this with deathstalker?

[dense cove]

Should we be crafting our embellished items with sparks this week?

[normal mist]

No and yes

[sour oasis]

🫶🏽

Thanks

[agile kestrel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[normal mist]

Just be sure to 5cp + or anima charged envenom before DM on pull

[orchid cedar]

mm does the old Thistle tea share cd with any other consumable?

[normal mist]

Every other pot iirc

[orchid cedar]

so that's prepot

damn

[normal mist]

Prepot hasn't been a thing in so long

[orchid cedar]

yeah i know, but the term just stayed with me

[normal mist]

I know I know dw

I used to prepot aswell

[orchid cedar]

it was fun

specially when someone ninja pulled

and fucked you over

[normal mist]

Yep! XD

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[delicate imp]

We can still recraft and put different embellishments on later right?

like in dragonflight

[main urchin]

if we have spread our bleeds well in aoe, do we spam FoK and CT ?

playing deathstalker

[dim estuary]

is it me or before we had kingsbane dmg history in whipsyr WA ?

[carmine shore]

Anyone got % numbers for 2p and 4p?

Need for wishlist

[winged widget]

Dont spam CT.

[spice surge]

Its like 3% combined

[main urchin]

why ? is fishing for caustic splatter better ? in what scenario do we use crimson tempest ?

[spice surge]

Crimson tempest is a dot

You want to keep the dot up, but you gain nothing from spamming it

Just like you wouldnt spam rupture on St

[dim yacht]

can i just make a macro of /cast echoing and /cast mut and then forget echoing exists

or is that gonna fuck me somehow

[main urchin]

oooooh, gotcha, sorry im an idiot

i thought it was like black powder

does that mean we want to apply CT in single or two target situations ?

cause i see the damage increases with target count

[pastel talon]

Deathstalker still bugged?

[spice surge]

2 targets ye

[carmine shore]

thanks king, also remembered to search "2p" and "4p" and found an answer too

[normal mist]

With er interactions yes

[orchid cedar]

CT is worth now at 2 targets?

[brisk pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant helm]

any na boys can tell me if t8 delves are actually somewhat challenging

or just a run through

[jolly crater]

In the deathstalker single target without improved garrote, why do we cast envenom, vanish, ambush into double mutilate and consume darkest night? is it just because of the 100% crit and 60% dmg?

[worthy moon]

What kind of spec you guys playing for boss 1?

Not sure how much I wanna assign to the adds

[vocal cradle]

yall know which delvs are better for non hybrid classes?

or does it not matter?'

[swift karma]

What's so special about delve tier 8? Why not 9/10/11?

[onyx rock]

Loot caps at 8

[swift karma]

oooo tyty

[halcyon grail]

I miss Tricks of the Trade some time.

[willow cloud]

this quickwick candlestick thing truly is broken on us

[cloud basin]

Zekvir is gonna suck to solo lol

[mellow sun]

t8 is challenging enough to be fun, definitely not a faceroll. I thought fungal folly was the easiest coz you can use spores to your advantage, and skittering breach was decently easy too but i had to kite the last boss. I tried doing waterworks but last boss is too o/p with 900k/sec channel that you cant kick and he casts it faster than cloak resets

[dusk ingot]

So, question... noticed the "bis list" was updated on the wowhead guide.. Only shows 1 crafted item.. used to be bracers and boots, now just bracers.. So we only roll with 1 embelish now? (Just double checking cuz so used to 2 from DF)

[sage star]

I was able to live through the channel with feint and brann heals. tott works on him too so you can use that and vanish to force him to tank. That was the only way I could work some of that shit.

[heavy jolt]

what is our non tier set piece?

[indigo mulch]

In fuu's sims hes running imp ambush doesen't that mean we want to open up with ambush instead of garrote in the opener?

For fatebound sin that is

[willow cloud]

caustic spatter does work on twister rofl

[robust nacelle]

Sometimes I feel a bit energy starved after my opener and sometimes I feel like I've got tons

is that usual or am I just doing it wrong sometimes?

[ivory flower]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[real solar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[mellow sun]

interesting i havent tried tricks+vanish

i typically run with dps bran

[vocal cradle]

i read somewhere a bit ago that deathstalker was bugged with darkest night or something like only triggering on a specific combo point is that still happening?

[keen spruce]

You made me open wowhead on mobile in an airport when I don’t even have an active sub just to see 2 crafted items on the bis list

[dusk ingot]

there's 2?

[dusk ingot]

Only see wrists as crafted

[ivory flower]

guys i play improved ambush and i just noticed that my first ambush when in stealth only give 3 Combopoints, when i get a proc i have 4. Is it normal or ?

[dusk ingot]

ah i was looking at the sources

not the name

[keen spruce]

Oh I can’t even see that column on my phone

[dusk ingot]

I quickscan the sources for it... my mistake

[spice surge]

Non crits give 3

Crits give 4

Because of seal fate

[ivory flower]

nah

[spice surge]

(or more if fatebound)

[ivory flower]

ohhhh

ok got it

2 base +1 with improved ambush

+1 if i crit

thought it was 3 base

[terse island]

Does deathstalker actually hit fan of knives in single target with clear the witnesses?

[mellow sun]

just did underkeep its by far the easiest delve

like its not even funny how easy it is compared to others

[gritty laurel]

i'm just glad t7 gives champion track/hero vault because i don't have it in me to eat 860k melees from t8 bosses tonight

[tawdry crypt]

is this good

[acoustic roost]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[slate crown]

If you are not using the raid build (with Vicious Venoms), then yes.

[sharp wadi]

sin feels pretty good in raid and m0s guys..

[strange maple]

for aoe do we garrote and rupture on the same target or we have to swap target ?

[autumn rover]

Depends actually. How many in pack?

[strange maple]

if 5 dont need swap ?

5 swap to a target without any bleed ?

[autumn rover]

Ya if 5+ need to focus on what mobs didnt get bleed. Then focus the spatter

[runic hinge]

!ic

Hmm

[spice spire]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Well I had the right idea

[desert vault]

with the tricks macro and wa in !tricks I don't need to set focus on tank or do I still?

[tawdry sedge]

Fuck NA!

i want my reset aswell!

[spare flame]

anyone else getting knocked out of stealth before getting an ambush off?

[ebon temple]

yes :)

[keen spruce]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[keen spruce]

Don’t need to focus with that one

[desert vault]

The WA just says /click SmartMisdirect is all that is needed as well?

[keen spruce]

Just put that macro on your bar after installing the WA

There’s better directions on the WA page but iirc it’s something like that yeah

[novel star]

u know what ill say it. m0 actually did make deathstalker fun

i thought id be a hater for the rest of my life

but envenom kill bugfix and m0 hp it works

[tawdry sedge]

assa's ST indeed sucks 😦

[spice spire]

Wait it was fixed

Believers inc

[novel star]

er still feels like shit

but not getting scammed by mobs dying is nice

ambush scam is still there i think

[novel star]

idk about SUCKS

its mid tho

or mayb im just not watching the right raids to be a doomer

[tawdry sedge]

as far as i have watched the raid, it is an outlaw raid 99%

[ivory leaf]

is the sikran trinket good for us

[bitter badger]

does numbing poison works on raid bosses?

[uneven plume]

so is it good to craft wep as first craft?

its not the siphoning stilleto right

its the other 1

[spice spire]

No idea it’s a summer bud

Weapon is fine craft

And yeah not stiletto

[cerulean nest]

of course got it on the alt

[sharp wadi]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QnpM6Ga1FKd2CRWZ#fight=25&type=summary&source=25 sure looks that way

[long pecan]

610 if rank 5

[sharp wadi]

disgusting

you need something from PVP to craft that though yeah?

[long pecan]

you need 5 of those

you get 9 from a quest

[sharp wadi]

this little cheeser has 4 alr

[long pecan]

i crafted a dagger for 5

[iron valve]

why not wait for the free daggers and craft something else

[long pecan]

i had 9

[long pecan]

free dagger isnt haste vers

[iron valve]

fair

[long pecan]

also im using it for pve right now

so w/e

You might be intersted ^

[spice spire]

@thorn prism

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[cobalt sphinx]

dude i'm kinda PUMPING

[unkempt sapphire]

fungal folly is fucked

im gettin fungal fondled by spinshroom

[novel star]

ye idk sin damage seems fine

[wide dome]

Is there a macro still to open vault when not by it by chance?

Anyone have it?

[novel star]

doomers defeated again

[balmy condor]

I'm like solidly mid in my raid

but yeah

it's not awful

[unkempt sapphire]

are yall running damage brann or heals for delves

[long pecan]

press "i" then "mythic dungeon" then click the big vault thing

[wide dome]

thanks man

[frigid pilot]

r ppl doin wep embelish or the lens rn?

[white orchid]

is anyone else getting knocked out of stealth on pull and not getting a mark up?

[strange maple]

in aoe without Indiscriminate Carnage do you just apply garrote and rupture to main target ?

[gritty laurel]

you slam out some ruptures to get infinite energy and upkeep scent of blood then send it with caustic on main target

garrote on main target is fine, but don't bother multi dotting it

[sage star]

I had tons of problems with that yes. IDK if it's bugged or just sometimes something farts 3k damage on me and pulls me out.

[white orchid]

yea like 4 bosses in a row where the pull is just chalked bc of it

[viral meteor]

It'd be cool if there were a break threshold like for some CCs

[mellow sun]

interesting t8 drop

[viral meteor]

Very thematic for Rogue tbh

[sinful elk]

How tf do i even manage a t8 delve at all as a rogue 😐

Can do the easy 1 that every spams but jesus, can barely handle basic fkn mobs in Fungal Folly for example

[wooden flare]

I found fungal fine but the boss is really tough