assassination

[balmy condor]

It’s shit

[dusky token]

Sims also perform perfect rotation and decision making, with outlaw it’s hard to do as a human

[crisp shard]

Wouldn't you want to save sparks for mythic week?

[swift dagger]

if u kill one boss u dont get deserter

[feral mason]

they said they were removing this like 2 weeks back though

[spice surge]

Nop

[feral mason]

how is it still not in the game

[safe shale]

No, they announced it 2 weeks ago, but stuill not in game

Will arrive just in time for m0.... wait a minute

[swift dagger]

oh boy m0 gonna be fun with ppl leaving after 1st boss Ara-ara

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-puke-puke-vomit-kitty-vomit-cat-vomit-gif-10902081098279086080

[ionic vale]

Echoing Reprimand is not working with DsM and DN finishers right now, Do you think is this just a bug and it will be fixed, or is this just intended?

[balmy condor]

Bug

[strange maple]

in aoe fight do i have to keep rupture and garrrote up on all target ? or do i start my rotation after Indiscriminate Carnage drop ?

[ionic vale]

Oh good to hear!

[safe shale]

Theyll fix that in 12.0 though

[crisp shard]

when that gets fixed I'd probably enjoy deathstalkers mark more

[safe shale]

maybe 12.0.5

[tawny pawn]

voteban

[main jungle]

for now you recommend to hold on to sparks right?

[crisp shard]

overcapping combo points really bothers me

[covert jewel]

is it still a bug at this point, been known for months and still not fixed

[ionic vale]

That will be way more fun when they fix this

[worthy moon]

Agreed it’s miserable

[woven torrent]

u guys use mouse over macro to reapply rap's when vanish is not up?

[late surge]

is sending multiple tea during same KB window good if they all give me 100 energy without overlapping?

[balmy condor]

Energy > scent stacks > no more bleed

[real pike]

if you're unlucky and ambush > gar doesn't get you to 5cp on open, do you muti before rupturing?

[feral mason]

these are the types of people that leave to farm those trinkets

[balmy condor]

Yes

[late surge]

thanks

[feral mason]

like dawg a trinket is not fixing that 😭

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

Ye thats definitely new. There arent any bugs that persist longer than a few weeks

[crisp shard]

I would assume it's the pilot and not the toon at that point

[main jungle]

On ST do you recommend pooling energy for rapid injection?

[safe shale]

hoh

[main jungle]

cause we have low energy regen

[safe shale]

fr kappin

[grim jay]

Its that

Thing

What was it called

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grim jay]

Sarcasm

[safe shale]

Im glad

[grim jay]

Finally someone

[late surge]

getting multiple blindside procs in a row feels so good for my spammy brain

[subtle kiln]

spammy and assa?

[late surge]

it goes spammy sometimes

dotn question it

!

overall I prefer the slow gameplay of assa

[proud mason]

Isn't sin the only spec that isn't gcd locked ?

[grim jay]

Yeah sure (sarcasm)

Sub is gcd locked (sarcasm)

[balmy condor]

Ngl I think the most annoyed I’ve felt playing assa was 9.0 vault on broodkeeper and my blindsides proccing back to back having to clip my envenoms constantly to avoid overcapping energy

[grim jay]

WW Monk is (sarcasm, no sin isnt the only spec)

[balmy condor]

10.0*

[crisp shard]

BM is pretty gcd capped too

brewmaster monk**

[late surge]

I feel like blindside feels way better when ur energy starved a lot

[balmy condor]

(Any caster spec is not gcd capped)

(Dev is legit like 40apm)

[dusty zenith]

Anyone make a rock muncher rogue yet?

[proud mason]

a gcd locked spec would always be casting so most are, asking btw

[short fox]

what time does m0 come

[dusk onyx]

Did de assa guide on wowhead got updated today? I crafted boots in the morning cause crafted were bis!? Or did i dream about that!?😲

[dusty zenith]

1pm CST

[balmy condor]

Couple hours

[dusty zenith]

If they do t extend the window

[crisp shard]

I don't really get energy starved on my WW monk, if you rotate FoF in often enough and weave in chi burst it's hardly notiecable

[balmy condor]

Boots are fine

[grim jay]

Is it really?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[tawny junco]

Do you think ascension will get nerfed for real?

[balmy condor]

10.2 dev was like 34 apm or something

Actual snail spec

[safe shale]

If you are energy starved on WW somethings wrong with your haste, couple weeks ago, sure, but now, nah should have like 12k haste+

[balmy condor]

It’s possible

[dusk onyx]

But did you update? My raidlead is mad noe😂

[spice surge]

Sub and assa are actually fairly close in terms of how many gcds they use

Sub just has a lot extra off-gcd stuff during their cds

[tawny junco]

Lariat was super good as well, but they waited till 10.1 to nerf it... why should ascension get another fate?

[swift dagger]

angy

[balmy condor]

Why would your raid lead be mad for you crafting something that’s perfectly fine and better early weeks

Is your raid leader perhaps… an idiot?

[swift dagger]

there u have, just show them that answer and get back to blasting

[safe shale]

!votenewraidleader

[swift dagger]

ok dont show the idiot part

[dusk onyx]

No its all ok😂

[balmy condor]

Show them the idiot part

[swift dagger]

true

do it

[shell kraken]

So… raid tomorrow and whats the latest/most updated guide for sin right now?

[balmy condor]

I’m not afraid to call a spade a spade

[swift dagger]

what they gonna do, come here and yap at whispyr?

[whole sand]

wowheads official stance on your raid

[vocal minnow]

cant you put embellishment on boots?

[tawny junco]

gnarlyguides

[swift dagger]

wanna see them win a yap war

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[crisp shard]

especially depending on build, if you take energy burst and sequenced strikes it feels impossible to be energy starved. too bad it's a dps loss

[dusk onyx]

I really just wonder if you updated it, i think i have read boots crafted bis im the morning!?😂

[balmy condor]

I did update it to reflect end game gear

But it’s minimal

[whole sand]

did you make the thing and are now upsetti spaghetti

[broken lantern]

do i use fan of knives on single target too if i have the proc?

[dusk onyx]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

Without vicious

[normal mist]

Not if you have VV

[whole sand]

ask for a refund from the crafting cartels

[balmy condor]

Ye

Tell them whispyr had you crafting an upgrade

[modern agate]

are people not running VV?

[balmy condor]

And you want to downgrade

[modern agate]

for st

isnt it jst straight better

[balmy condor]

Depends what guides you read

I’m sure Noxxic has some lovely shit

[haughty flicker]

there is st in keys

funnily enough

[grim jay]

Hopefully he wont get to talk to your lw guy, else he will be out of luck

[balmy condor]

Dude fr

[modern agate]

also another question, is there a pretty definitive best trinket combo for raid ST? Of trinkets we have access to RN

[balmy condor]

No

[modern agate]

because all the guides have the M+ trinkets

[balmy condor]

Yes

Fuck your preseason bis

[modern agate]

LOL

I just want an artificially high raid parse in a few hours

[long hinge]

Noxxic just released the volume 1 of the new expansion. "How to lose dps losing time reading the guide".
Stay tuned for volume 2..

[modern agate]

cmon man

[proud pelican]

You need to have a heroic sacbrood or you will do approximately 0dps

[safe shale]

just take arakara and buzzer and be done with it

[grim jay]

Just read the guide real hard and do better than anyone else

[balmy condor]

Left as an exercise for the reader

[broken lantern]

thank you ❤️ and btw a huge thanks to you, with your guides and help here on discord, its such a fun time to main rogue, tldr huge love to you

[modern agate]

no way buzzer is good for raid

lol

[safe shale]

no, but its fun

[balmy condor]

You’re welcome

[safe shale]

and its preseason, so youll get something else within a week

[main blaze]

Whispyr appreciation day.

[balmy condor]

Within a couple hours if you’re NA

Do not appreciate me

[crude nymph]

thank you ❤️ and btw a huge thanks to you, with your guides and help here on discord, its such a fun time to main rogue, tldr huge love to you

[tawny junco]

Appreciate Jesus

[balmy condor]

Stop

[grim jay]

How you deal with all that positivity lately is beyond me

[proud pelican]

I appreciate you whispyr

[balmy condor]

Do not

[nova aspen]

dogue day

[modern agate]

I appreciate Whispyr as well

[safe shale]

I think you are mid

[long hinge]

Love you so hard

[tawny junco]

I appreciate pizza

[balmy condor]

Next person to appreciate me is going in my suicide note by name

[bitter solar]

Whispyr's cat mvp tbh

[grim jay]

I appreciate you

[modern agate]

in fact im going to the sub and outlaw channels and telling them i appreciate you too

[balmy condor]

Not you

[nova aspen]

rekt

[proud pelican]

Whispyr about to start TCing for boomkins if we keep this up those guys are never happy

[balmy condor]

Have you seen this channel

These guys ain’t happy half the time either

[rugged sphinx]

Sorry if this has been answered, I'm at work and on my phone. With the updated talent build for ST, we are not taking improved garotte. Do we still vanish after kingsbane to reapply garotte

[grim jay]

Half?

More like 80% of the time

[balmy condor]

You vanish for mark

[whole sand]

no

[junior isle]

So no need to garrote from
Stealth then huh. Just ambush instead ?

[spring socket]

@balmy condor watching ure video about upcoming changes, any chance u gonna add the evenom slider to your WA pack ?

[whole sand]

vanishing for mark is very lame imo

[rugged sphinx]

I think the sequence on wowhead is wrong then, without improve garotte selected it still says to vanish

[balmy condor]

No benefit for it

[grim jay]

Who is Mark and why do we vanish for him? Is he dangerous?

[balmy condor]

The what now

[junior isle]

Very dangerous

[vocal minnow]

why is numbing better than atrophic for m+ and not for raid?

[tawny junco]

oh, really we goin for no improved garrote?

[balmy condor]

Many melee in m+, damage reduced mucho

[whole sand]

i prefer to hold my vanish like a coward for when i inevitably fuck up

[spring socket]

You edited the ironfur Weak Aura for the changes to evenom stackinf

[swift dagger]

slows a lot of enemies attacks down

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s for 11.0.5

Idk if that’s even necessary atm

Just a visual aid for the video

[crude nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[nova aspen]

oh theres a new talent tree for ST?

[grim jay]

No

Just some talent changes

No whole new tree or rework

[spring socket]

would look cool under the energy bar

[swift dagger]

damn u blizrd not fixing bugs we want

[nova aspen]

is it only deathstalker?

[real pike]

has the updated build without imp gar moved some of our damage from the KB window to outside it? my opener burst seems to be lower and wondering if it's just me being shit

[nova aspen]

or changes to coin flipper too

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

Those are spec and class tree changes

[real pike]

cool thanks

[grim jay]

We call them copper clowns around here

[pliant remnant]

[rugged sphinx]

When should we vanish for mark exactly? I thought consuming the 3rd stack and using 7CP envenom reapplied 3 stacks again

[wind totem]

What's the comparisson between the mythic+ embelishments and the raid embelishments in their opposite modes? Aka which one is better for both and should be crafted first?

[balmy condor]

When it isn’t on the target

[spring socket]

why we dropping Improoved Garrote

[balmy condor]

Dawnthread in m+, ascension or Dawnthread in raid

[crude nymph]

can I ask a dumb question.
Whats the number in the top right corner for on your WA pack Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

Cause we like doing more damage

[swift dagger]

is big poop

(not rly)

[rugged sphinx]

Ohh ok, so it's just a case of it it drops off, just vanish into ambush

[balmy condor]

Amplifying stacks

[wind totem]

so make dawnthread first?

[rugged sphinx]

Thanks for the help guys

[balmy condor]

Yeah, opener is stealth ambush -> 3 finishers -> vanish ambush -> darkest night env

[balmy condor]

That’s fine yes

[rugged sphinx]

Do I get banned for positivity

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wind totem]

Coolio. Thanks

[balmy condor]

No positivity here

Illegal

[rugged sphinx]

Fuck

[grim jay]

Did you put a disclaimer for the consuming DN on last stack and deleting both bug?

[wind totem]

Oh shit. I meant fuck you for answering so slowly.

[grim jay]

Shouldnt ascension be decent in m+ aswell?

[nova aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pale badger]

hello is the was better than rank 3 oil or wheatstone ?

[balmy condor]

Should never happen unless you’re an ape for some reason

[balmy condor]

That’s better

[swift dagger]

wheat was

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[swift dagger]

better

[grim jay]

I mean you know who you are working with

[random fossil]

im an ape pog

[balmy condor]

If you’re omega chaining yeah but it drops out of combat and you have to restack, kinda shit

[nova aspen]

wait what, fatebound pulled ahead?

[river cipher]

Can devs put SD back in the class tree now

[swift dagger]

why

[spring socket]

wow 20k dps increase on sims

[covert jewel]

wdym why

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-juicer-gif-23575721

[river cipher]

Cause its a great ability that also let me use Vanish for fun things

[faint path]

hm

[river cipher]

I liked not having to hold vanish just to repread bleeds

[nova aspen]

coinflippers login

[spring socket]

whats better for dungeons hybrid or mythic build ?

[balmy condor]

Yeah literally trolling if you don’t play it honestly

[spring socket]

does much change in rotation or is it all bout the evenoms

[fossil slate]

If we don't play what

[balmy condor]

20k dps less and the boss dies in 6:27.873 instead of 6.27.153

[late surge]

does the queen ring proc more for us?

[balmy condor]

Typically hybrid

[spring socket]

tell that to my wife

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

You’ll never know

[still steeple]

is echoing reprimand meant to trigger deathstalker mark / dn or am i smooth of brain

[late surge]

is the nature dam part of the tooltip irrelevant?

[spring socket]

broken

[balmy condor]

You last 6 and a half minutes? It ain’t a marathon buddy calm down

[still steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-broken-broken-lando-norris-f1-spa-gif-15242537

[pliant remnant]

is it meant to is it not meant to

who knows

Have they fixed it?

No

[covert jewel]

doesnt have to be a sprint tho

[wind totem]

What does this mean? Im out of the loop.

[haughty flicker]

i'd explain it but that didnt go well last time

[balmy condor]

No, it’s relevant, but there’s proc limits on items, and deadly poison ticks alone cap it like 4 times over, not counting any envenom or applications of poisons past the dot

[fossil slate]

[late surge]

Sorry if I phrased the question wrong, does it proc more for rogue than other classes?

cuz dh friend says it procs more for dh cuz chaos dam

[balmy condor]

No

[cobalt bison]

R the farmable poisons any good .

[late surge]

okay thanks

[balmy condor]

Chaos dam is nature damage so it procs but it doesn’t proc more

Again

There’s a cap

And it’s very low

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[normal mist]

The command is already doing it's work

[balmy condor]

If you have 1 stack of the mark remaining and also darkest night, you lose everything (only applicable if you’re dumb or something idk how you would even run into this situation with normal play)

[haughty flicker]

make sure to put in a disclaimer about how stealing wax is killing kobold children

[wind totem]

I assume you were talking about this but how is it possible to both have DN and 1 stack of Mark left? Am I missing something?

[restive inlet]

I may be wrong, but people will correct me if so.
If you have one stack left of mark, and have the endless night 7cp envenom buff, and cast a 7cp envenom, you lose both things abd have to wait for stealth/vanish to get back to the mark feedback loop

[balmy condor]

Ye

[wind totem]

ok but how hte fuck is that possible

?

[haughty flicker]

it can only happen if you press ambush with dn up

just dont do that

[balmy condor]

You’d have to ambush with dn up

[wind totem]

oh lmao

[balmy condor]

And then also rupture

And then also rupture again

[restive inlet]

Must be a bug/unintended

[balmy condor]

Or envenom at 5

[haughty flicker]

its incredibly niche

and irrelevant

[wind totem]

got it

[whole sand]

just like rogue

[balmy condor]

If you have braincells you’re never encountering the bug

[still steeple]

rouge discord
braincells

[tired gull]

Whispyr have you seen where at times, with dn and no active mark, consuming dn leaves you with 2 stacks of mark?

[restive inlet]

I try to remember to play around it. If i have one stack and endless, 7cp env is a nono

[still steeple]

you have encountered a problem

[balmy condor]

Yeah tall order

[balmy condor]

No

[normal mist]

The fact you said rouge...

[still steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-jurassic-park-ellie-gif-19249741

[nova aspen]

whispyr u said the other day there might be 1 boss u will go CT for

which boss was it?

[royal lantern]

but the dratnos tierlist said i NEED stealth for marks????

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t say that at all actually

[haughty flicker]

dratnos has never lied to me before

[bitter saddle]

Stealth is overrated man

[balmy condor]

It says the opposite of that

[south lava]

is remnent of darkness trinket good?

[balmy condor]

Idk what that is, so I’m gonna say no

[tired gull]

We should be able to stay in stealth 100% of a fight

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1282870218963681321/Screenshot_20240910_040709_Chrome.jpg?ex=66e0ed7e&is=66df9bfe&hm=d672316666be8d8d2e372d3ef92dc4db5fe9e8fcce04df80334646af0b758dec&

[bitter saddle]

I sometimes do that in dungeons

[balmy condor]

That is not what that says

[balmy condor]

Meh

[hexed canopy]

@balmy condor i saw the pin , but do you already know what you are crafting ?

[balmy condor]

Dagger if I don’t get a dagger, wrist if I do

[real pike]

over the course of a fight you have 2 'spare' thistle teas to play with - are these better used outside of KB windows to keep envenom chains going without running out of energy or inside of KB windows when you're below 200 energy?

[balmy condor]

Tea is only ever used during shiv windows for energy

[royal lantern]

the trinket can kick you out of stealth when the dmg effect happens btw, cus its just aoe pulses out of you for 15seconds

[spring socket]

should we use are spark yet on booties ?

[hexed canopy]

with the ascension on dagger?

[south lava]

i see

[real pike]

cool so you'd rather use 2 teas in 1 window as long as you don't cap energy, got it

[balmy condor]

If I craft dagger yeah probably, if I drop a dagger I’m just going Dawnthread

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sharp viper]

Hackerman

[strange python]

anyone 580+ ilvl, what dps you hitting for single target rn?

[hexed canopy]

thank you very much 🙂

[south lava]

currenly im using these two

[junior isle]

so since we aren't taking tinytoxic now, guess need to fan of knives to clear the witness

[balmy condor]

Bout 800ish

[whole sand]

800k for me

[balmy condor]

Vicious, not tiny toxic

And we do take it

[strange maple]

sanguine blade build for m + ?

[tired gull]

700 no enchants

[strange python]

ok thank you, wasnt sure if i was far off or not

[junior isle]

ah okay mb

[strange python]

im getting 700-800 too

[balmy condor]

Would be trolling to not take sanguine in m+

[junior isle]

just woke up lol

[strange maple]

true hahaha

[modern agate]

wowhead guide wrong about tiny toxic then?

[whole sand]

lol

[strange maple]

i found method.gg assasin rogue guide have good weakaura and plater profile

[distant plover]

do i just craft dagger if im just getting back into things/starting with NHC probably wont have a guild

[strange maple]

it shows everything

[distant plover]

not sure

[crystal bluff]

Any chances Echoing Reprimand is working after patch? If not, are u guys still using it for st?

[distant plover]

because prolly wont get dagger

[main plover]

do we still pool around 50% when playing deathstalker with sanguine blades? in Cleave fights for example

[balmy condor]

It’s better, so yeah I’m using it

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[south lava]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[modern agate]

thought you were answering two different questions there my b

[main plover]

asking specifically for deathstalker WITH sanguine blades, i assume this one only talks about under 50% since single target doesnt use SB

[modern agate]

saying we do take it to tiny toxic lol

oops

[spice surge]

For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime.

[main plover]

so no playing around SB, got it

[balmy condor]

“Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well”

[whole sand]

if you're in a cleave you won't really need to worry about energy

your bleeds should work sanguine on their own

[main plover]

depends on how much cleave there is no?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[safe shale]

806k no weapon enchant

[balmy condor]

2 targets basically caps your energy

[tired gull]

I wish I could hit 800

[balmy condor]

I wish I could hit myself

[main plover]

aight, thanks ❤️

[tired gull]

I hit myself all the time

[balmy condor]

Teach me how

I wish to learn this

Smashing my head into my desk isn’t satisfying me anymore

[tired gull]

What if you smash your desk into your head instead?

[balmy condor]

Holy

You’re a genius

[storm mortar]

ok 800k but how long is the fight?

[balmy condor]

5 min

[spice surge]

He means the sim

[safe shale]

I like to bite my desk, then get my wife to smack the back of my head

[balmy condor]

Ah the classic wife curb stomp

[whole sand]

yall are weird

[tired gull]

Discount curb stomp, i dig it

[balmy condor]

Thank you

[normal mist]

I don't want to be here anymore

[lusty thicket]

There are multiple bosses ST in Nerub-ar Palace but looking at the wowhead for Nerub-ar Palace, some bosses take imp garrot and some take imp poisons instead (strictly ST)

wondering the reason?

Unless its simply min-max stuff

[balmy condor]

Cause they’re not single target fights

[tired gull]

Oooo wow head boss guides up???

[balmy condor]

You take imp gar/sang when there’s more than 1 target

Well

Maybe not sang

But imp gar

I’m kinda guessing on the builds frankly

I have no idea what the meta is gonna be

[nova aspen]

i thought it was just a question of taking spatter

[balmy condor]

You can play like 15 different builds

How tf should I know what’s best

[lusty thicket]

I guess it depends how long the ads last as well, imp gar might be more a mythic strat?

[balmy condor]

Y’all expect me to see the future

[autumn rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kuill-the-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-nod-gif-15568954

[balmy condor]

Sure

[hushed marten]

wait, you dont? o.O

[tired gull]

you could probably honestly just play normal build, swap to spatter for anything with more than 1 target, and still be fine

[prisma wyvern]

!wa

[balmy condor]

Was heavily debating just doing this for the boss builds

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[lusty thicket]

Im assuming the adds in norm and even HC with a somewhat good raid group would die under 10 seconds

[unique sentinel]

I feel terribly called out

[clever sapphire]

guys i found the item to get insta invites to dungeons

[tired gull]

Yeah, obviously there will be plenty of minmax potential, plus normal/heroic won't even matter

[whole sand]

imagine inviting an aug in this economy

[royal lantern]

you should mention "and you actually put dots on them instead of just spatter cleaving" aswell, or people WILL understand it wrong

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

[tired gull]

i'm just going to import every one of these builds with boss name as the build name and call it a day

[crystal bluff]

any tips on how to roundup the opener without Shrouded suffocation? im wasting time on garrote to proc 3 marks without echo working

[nova aspen]

throw dots on extra stuff as a dot spec?

[balmy condor]

It’s not like I have to make sure everyone knows how to play a very complicated spec with many talent swaps

Wait

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

[spice surge]

What?

[balmy condor]

I had an answer for that

But I read it

And realized I have no idea what the question is

[crystal bluff]

hahah

[whole sand]

what exactly are you doing

[balmy condor]

You just ambush gar mut

[neat shell]

Did u try ambush

[balmy condor]

What’s the problem

[crystal bluff]

maybe thats the real question

[unique sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crystal bluff]

my 1st garrote is going down on kingsbane b4 i usually vanish to re-garrote

is that clear?

[safe shale]

So when are the changes actually live btw? 11.0.5, whens that mf out

[balmy condor]

Okay so press garrote?

Wait

What

[placid adder]

What’s garrote

[unique sentinel]

When did fatebound start simming higher than deathstalker? Is it because of the bugs?

[balmy condor]

Your FIRST garrote is dropping when

[safe shale]

How long is your damn opener?

[whole sand]

where are we

[tired gull]

november

[balmy condor]

They’ve always been really close

[crystal bluff]

around 10s kingsbane

[safe shale]

I THINK he means his imp garrote window, and hes misreading it

[balmy condor]

10 seconds into the kingsbane?

[crystal bluff]

doing smth wrong im pretty sure of it

[crystal bluff]

4s

[balmy condor]

What the fuck

Are you afk for the first 10 seconds after pressing gar

How is that possible

[crystal bluff]

i have no idea lol gonna hit some dummies more

[autumn rover]

As an ex outlaw I approve this level of RNG 🙂

[safe shale]

Nah he for sure means his 6 second improved window

There is no way actual garrote is dropping

[neat shell]

I literally lost my opener causw of this guy

[safe shale]

Just misreading the weak aura right?

[neat shell]

He changed my life with his opener

[balmy condor]

My head hurts idk

[whole sand]

wait does he mean he's only getting a 4cp rupture?

and not garrote

[safe shale]

Tell us step by step your button presses please

[unique sentinel]

A man of culture too i see. Switching to assa too after 3 years of outlaw

[balmy condor]

No cause he said his garrote is dropping earlier than it did with imp gar

Which is

What

[whole sand]

that's what shrouded suffocation would do in the opener

[balmy condor]

You mut though

[whole sand]

ye but if he's not

[balmy condor]

💀

How would that do anything for gar

[whole sand]

my sim was ERing it actually

the rupture

[balmy condor]

Yeh if you hit

That works

[errant night]

hello guys! just wanted to ask something about my rotation and whether I'm doing it right. i have a deathstalker build with 1 point in lethality and full ER, also vicious venoms (2) and tiny toxic blades. I'm training on a dummy and reach 1mil, but then it's like 800k on 50 mil of damage. am I doing right? I have 586 ilvl btw

[safe shale]

1mil

aoe right?

[errant night]

st

[whole sand]

im assuming they mean burst

[errant night]

but 1mil is not always

[balmy condor]

Seems okay

[safe shale]

oh on burst

yeah

[errant night]

like 2/5

[balmy condor]

Sure

Rng

[whole sand]

but drop resounding clarity for 2/2 lethal

[errant night]

yeah right. I am that kind of a person that is instantly sad and thinks that blizz changed something in the class, and it's not playing anymore

[crystal bluff]

Ambush + Garrote + Rupture (4cp) + SlicenDice + Echo + mutilate & Envenom until DN to use kingsbane

[errant night]

will do

[whole sand]

okay so first do ambush + garrote + ER + rupture ->

[queen egret]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lusty thicket]

ummm, clear the witness?

[balmy condor]

Why are you envenom until darkest night

Press your cooldowns mate

[crystal bluff]

thats a good question

[whole sand]

kronig we're going to fix you it's gonna be ok

[crystal bluff]

my brain assumed i should use 1st envenom on kingsbane with DN proc

[balmy condor]

But why

[crystal bluff]

ihave no fkn idea

[balmy condor]

Ye me neither

[whole sand]

you want envenom's buff going into DM, deathstalker for the most part plays itself

[crystal bluff]

thx for the tips

[whole sand]

there's some vanish shit you can do but dw about it rn, just follow the opening graphic

[modern agate]

except the imp garrote part is irrelevant

[lusty thicket]

is clear the witness proc not a thing anymore lol?

Am i stupid?

[tired gull]

For a trinket like serum, should we use it before DM or after activating dm? since it's 1.5s cast

[whole sand]

you don't do it with VV

[safe shale]

yeah idk why wowhead hasnt removed that part, since its literally un ticked

[desert cove]

Just less damage than vicious venoms

[whole sand]

you're investing into mutilates so you wanna press them

[safe shale]

Though, step 7... is that meant to be a 2 cp envenom? never really understood that

[autumn rover]

Or if you struggle with it you could just swap to fatebound ^_^

[modern agate]

only envenom if i you land on an ER point

[lusty thicket]

assuming resounding

[whole sand]

no, its either a lucky ER crit + ER landing on 3 envenom, or a mutilate into evenom on 5

[lusty thicket]

Or er

[safe shale]

even if you have ER its still only 2/3 on cp

[paper flower]

Is there a reason not to run vicious venoms? Or is it just pref

[whole sand]

if it crits it gives you 3

[paper flower]

For st

[paper flower]

So good for ER?

[safe shale]

damn, so if it doesnt crit, we just mutilate then envenom

i assumed as much

[whole sand]

sorry that wasn't @ you

[fair blaze]

It should be a infographic below with that

[lusty thicket]

realistically, after ER is used in opener, you should have clear the witness proc waiting to be used which should get you to the 5cp

[safe shale]

You right, it literally shows that xD

Its what ive been doing anyway, just was for helping that other guy

[spring socket]

so what should we use our crafted on yet boots/wrists or wait ?

[whole sand]

if you're not going full ST, or if you want sanguine, you'd spec out of VV for that i think and then do clear the witnessess on proc

[autumn rover]

1. dagger
2. crafted wrist

[grim jay]

Wait

[spring socket]

thought the dagger was garbage

[grim jay]

The normal dagger with ascension

Not the other one

[autumn rover]

Not a special dagger. The other one

[spring socket]

thought was boots and wrists for the embelishments?

[gleaming geyser]

I'm most likely going for dawnthread x2 belt & bracers for overall value (raid & m+) but obviously waiting a bit later this week

[grim jay]

Its whatever suits you best. You can do m0s and craft a dagger if you dont get one or craft wrist + Belt/boots if you get one

[whole sand]

its all pretty fluid rn tbh, if you're worried wait

[normal mist]

You guys

Gotta understand that

Boots, wrists, belt

[balmy condor]

I do not understand

[normal mist]

Is pretty much all the same

[balmy condor]

I am a pit of knowledge

Knowledge falls into me

[placid adder]

No boots are on my feet and wrists are on my hands

[balmy condor]

And disappears

[grim jay]

But its not because a weapon isnt armor

[normal mist]

Fair

[errant night]

heh

[gleaming geyser]

Isnt current lore going no boots for feet theme?

[normal mist]

Example: we do m0s, or raid and we get a dagger and wrists. I would then craft boots and belt

[whole sand]

i just hope kronig is doing his rotation ok

[vocal minnow]

wat - why am i applying mark 2 times here

[balmy condor]

What am I supposed to be looking at

[normal mist]

Was wondering the same

[balmy condor]

You’re applying a mark and then envenom with darkest night

You don’t apply twice

[errant night]

dunno haha, just 2 screens

[grim jay]

The wonderful mark jpg texture

[whole sand]

god its awful

[nova aspen]

i like how with deathstalker there is the added 1 mechanic and then theres a billion questions about it, not 1 coin flipper question tho

[errant night]

ui? 😄

[grim jay]

Because copper clowns hide themself to not get insulted

[balmy condor]

Pain

[crystal bluff]

working on it

[whole sand]

[vocal minnow]

but consuming dn already gives me mark why vanish and ambush before then

[proud pelican]

Whispyr pls tell everyone that fatebound is better so we can get some peace and quiet

[normal mist]

You play whatever you want tho

[balmy condor]

Because you get some uptime and 1 stack of mark quicker

You ambush, get 3

Envenom with dn

Now you’re at 2

You’re ahead on your stack and you didn’t have downtime

Win win

[grim jay]

Id like to play you like a Violin

[chrome rivet]

Is there an opener graphic for ST and m+ I saw it circulating

[balmy condor]

Wowhead

[chrome rivet]

Kk

[wanton spear]

is there a big difference between FB & DS for rotation?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[errant night]

Whispyr, do you think they're gonna fix the ER bug in 11.0.5?

[balmy condor]

No

[chrome rivet]

They don’t fix rogue bugs

[gleaming geyser]

they fixed the icon at least

[errant night]

i think it would improve dps a bit

[chrome rivet]

It’s common knowledge

[autumn rover]

You can avoid the bug.... by playing FB 🙂

[chrome rivet]

We exist in a state of permabugged

[wanton spear]

i just can't decide which spec to go i'm doing roughly the same dps fb just seems to be slightly more braindead

[balmy condor]

waiting till 11.0.5 to fix the bug would be next level stupid

[errant night]

nah, tried it but it's a bit lame for me

[safe shale]

Left the house, it started raining, went back in

[whole sand]

flip a coin

[safe shale]

Thought it'd let you know

[balmy condor]

Wish I was you

[nova aspen]

im rolling with FB first, less worrying about rotation, and more about the new boss fights

once boss fights memorized, then maybe deathstalker it up

[grim jay]

But you dont leave the house?

[wanton spear]

we have to use ER with both right? i just hate ER

[balmy condor]

I leave the house daily

[grim jay]

Dang imagine

[balmy condor]

No

[tired gull]

i think the opener sequence isn't updating correctly with imp garr/not imp garr

[balmy condor]

Fatebound perma plays cold blood

[tired gull]

on wowhead

[balmy condor]

Yeah entirely possible

That fucking toggle list is aids

I’d throw the whole shit in the bin if I could

[tired gull]

it always says to vanish garrote after kb

[proud pelican]

Anyone know what prime pi target in raid is these days?

[gleaming geyser]

not us

[proud pelican]

No shit bro

lol

[tired gull]

and to always vanish ambush for mark

[grim jay]

Not necessarily true

[balmy condor]

Both?

Do you have both hero talents picked

[tired gull]

nope

[balmy condor]

I could think of a way to get no vanish to show up

[gleaming geyser]

this was shared in our chat

[safe shale]

No wowhead bugging it still says do that even if you uncheck imp garrote

Says same for me

[balmy condor]

I’m going to fucking delete the whole list one of these days and make my boss code it himself

[tired gull]

Yeah, it says to vanish imp garrote and vanish ambush either way

[haughty flicker]

i dont think that says what you think it says

[tired gull]

LOL

[gleaming geyser]

enlighten me

[haughty flicker]

he asked about pi

[balmy condor]

You don’t understand the pain those fucking togglers give me

[tired gull]

what's it take to build the conditional list

[haughty flicker]

read whats at the top there

[proud pelican]

That looks like a tier set damage gain not pi lol

[balmy condor]

If you take the entire guide

Half of my time

Is spent on those fucking togglers

And they don’t even work

[gleaming geyser]

its PI based on 0p to 4p top 5 afaik

[tired gull]

i could take a look at the togglers

[nova aspen]

i think bloodmallet usually has this info

[fair stirrup]

Bm hunter

[balmy condor]

It’s just a tooling issue

[haughty flicker]

no, its just tier set gain

[somber nimbus]

this list is sus all rogues listed as tier B

[balmy condor]

It’s literally not possible to fix the bugs with our tools

[somber nimbus]

fury war that strong?

[haughty flicker]

well dratnos made the tier list so it must be true

[nova aspen]

tier lists 🚮

[somber nimbus]

why is evoker on top dps and healer charts

come on man

[wanton spear]

whispyr you shoulda told max that we were D tier all 3 specs as a joke

[autumn rover]

Because one last feel good from dragon flight. The dragons were empowered

[normal kindle]

WE ARE BEEEZZZZ

[somber nimbus]

druids really taking the d on this

[normal kindle]

Doomkin is at low time

https://tenor.com/view/druid-dance-gif-18409062

Rare Species

[balmy condor]

Ideally I would have a fatebound vanish, a deathstalker vanish, and a deathstalker imp gar vanish for the toggle list right

But I can’t do that, because of multiple problems.

First problem, the first toggler in the list always takes priority, I can’t have a toggler turn something off that’s turned on by a previous toggler

Problem number 2, showing always takes precedent over hiding

Problem number 3, there are no multi-conditionals, each line is named, and you may only tell togglers to turn the name on or off

Impossible

[grim jay]

The last one ive seen shows like 5 specs above us, 2 of which wont see any play, the others are uhdk WW and bm.
DK might go frost or 1.5min build, so might fall flat aswell.
Means it doesnt look too bad

[balmy condor]

That’s why I made images

Cause it’s actually easier for me to learn an entirely new program to make those images

Than it is to try and make the togglers work

Those fucking

Dogshit

Piece of shit

Togglers

[haughty flicker]

unlucky

[bitter saddle]

Fuck them togglers!

[gleaming geyser]

Yea - I fucked up and posted the wrong picture lmao. We were discussing both tier gains and PI gains... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=139025339#gid=139025339 this is the PI sim sheet

[grim jay]

We dont trust any izen sheets

[wide ferry]

@balmy condor Any chance on a raid vidro guide for sin?

[grim jay]

We despise them

[wide ferry]

video*

[balmy condor]

Already did it

[safe shale]

Yeah idk I hate doing PHP or that kinda stuff with togglers so fk that

[worldly nebula]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview?pli=1#

We like ulria though?

[balmy condor]

It’s a crackhead html interface

[grim jay]

Atleast more than izen

[balmy condor]

There’s too many idiots with the ability to make spreadsheets in the world

I don’t have the mental bandwidth to hate them all

[safe shale]

I can imagine 😂

[silver wave]

Not everyone can... excel at spreadsheets.

[wanton spear]

^ fired

[worldly nebula]

fuu and zac contribute/help on ulrias sheet though

[silver wave]

lol

[grim jay]

@vestal wren do you or is it a false claim

[grim jay]

And he just took your sims in exchange for the thanks

[nova aspen]

!fuu is the only sheet i look at

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I don’t really care if he thanked god himself

[grim jay]

I can write that Obama helped me onto my sheet

Doesnt make it true

[balmy condor]

You won’t find me ever supporting these fucking dumb spreadsheets

[nova aspen]

but the maffs

the maffs!

[balmy condor]

40 second pi sims

Pogging!

[nova aspen]

my guild is too casual for pi, they will just give it to their bff (not me)

[vestal wren]

think he/she used the profiles from the sheet

so ye

[grim jay]

But you didnt actively provide for the sake of his sheet I assume

[grand light]

yo guys, quick question since faq just links me to wowhead. what's the best M+ rogue player to completely copy right now? much love

[safe shale]

Lol

[balmy condor]

lol

[safe shale]

Me

[normal mist]

Lol

[safe shale]

Fr

[whole sand]

[safe shale]

😂

[normal mist]

Fuck the guide's

[grim jay]

Help me say it guys

[normal mist]

Where's the sweaty bastard

[grim jay]

Give me a Z

[vestal wren]

mythic+ is not open yet, so mythic+ players don't exist

[balmy condor]

LF big sweaty gamer daddy to copy blindly

Hmu please

[autumn rover]

Hahahahaha

[whole sand]

i need my without a trace build stat

[grand light]

I mean yes but there's some big names I assume that are already gearing for it. I'm not a rogue main so i don't know any 😦 but I mean to check their stat weight / talents / what they crafted etc

[grim jay]

Mr Z got you covered

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[autumn rover]

Literally the main assass rogue that everyone asks questions of made the guide. Go study

[vestal crow]

i NEED those 2 extra vanishes through my whole dungeon you dont understand

[wanton spear]

how much haste should we have? i have 17% currently and i think i might have focused a little too hard on haste and not enough on crit

[whole sand]

bro it just got posted

[balmy condor]

You’re so brave for thinking a single chat command could fix the deeply seated brainrot here

[proud mason]

Made these cute lil thistle tea orbs if anyone wants them

[normal mist]

I know bro, I'm the bravest, I know all of the commands

[grim jay]

!STATS

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[somber nimbus]

soo much animosity towards fellow rogues

[vestal crow]

i do want em thats actually so nice

[grand light]

thanks my dudes much love to this community

[dusty zenith]

Why are rogues so hyper focused on needing a guide to hold their hands rather than getting a feel for the class itself

[radiant raven]

Oh, those are adorable. Nice work.

[real pike]

do we no longer refresh garotte during KB?

[normal mist]

Then you have people holding envenom for 5 minutes to DN

[tired gull]

because there's optimal ways to play that aren't always intuitive

[safe shale]

Probably no 17%

[vestal crow]

ty!!

[storm stone]

Atleast people could take 1 minute to scroll and see if their question has already been answered

[normal mist]

Sometimes I see the same command like 3 times in a row

[dense cove]

Anyone following a good upgrade guide for best use of time this week?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t call it animosity, it’s more just unbridled indifference. I’m just tired of fighting against mplussers

[storm stone]

Yeah there was 3 questions about wax in 5 mins

[tired gull]

maybe people think the command will change if they use it

[somber nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-rule-gif-21790697

[normal mist]

Like an Easter egg

[wind jungle]

Because you need to have thinky thoughts, and feels ≠ thinky thoughts but we have Whispyr who has formulated the thinky thoughts and so we go to him to absorb the thinky thoughts

[real pike]

if so, we just refresh when convenient when KB has ended>?

[wind jungle]

Make sense?

[balmy condor]

I see “m+ streamer” in a message and my eyes fucking glaze over

[tired gull]

Just espeically for you, since you typed stats, for YOU, versatility is by FAR the best stat!!!!!

[balmy condor]

It’s completely involuntary at this point

[normal mist]

LOL

[radiant raven]

Just recommending Speed to everyone

Speed best stat. Zoomin'

[somber nimbus]

i def read this wrong for a sec

[silver wave]

They call it twitch because we twitch every time someone begs us to join their stream

[tired gull]

i could get behind this tbh

[kindred hinge]

I am trying to epurate my plater, is there any reason to track boneshards on the target ? Since it is not manual anymore?

[radiant raven]

Speed is good because it makes me get from the AH to the mailbox faster

[tired gull]

nah, unnecessary

[balmy condor]

No

[kindred hinge]

Thanks, Amplifying poison should go too no?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[tired gull]

yeah, don't really need to track it, it just exists

[brave swift]

i read all the pins but can someone call me a moron anyways

[tall jay]

Good luck to all you raiders tonight!!! I will be raiding tomorrow…but in normal!!!

[tired gull]

Me too! Good luck

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm stone]

Yeah i'm just going there to vibe.

[normal mist]

I can if you wish so

[storm stone]

no need to min max everything

[keen spruce]

[whole sand]

any story mode parses in the chat?

[normal mist]

Loool

[tall jay]

Whispyr, you guys going straight into heroic tonight?

[keen spruce]

Dumbass stupidass bitchass dummy dumb

[autumn rover]

Hahaha I was just getting ready to ask vibing in the story mode?

[tired gull]

excessive

[normal mist]

He did what was asked

[round spire]

guys deathstalker or fatebound

[radiant raven]

I hope I can submit a story mode parse so I can have the only 100 healing parse as a rogue

[autumn rover]

Fate 🙂

[whole sand]

same

[normal mist]

You tell us

[tired gull]

Either, DS is slightly ahead, but both can be played

[storm stone]

play outlaw sims best

[round spire]

on m+ i think its better with fate

[keen spruce]

Gm royal

[autumn rover]

Latest sims fb is ahead

[normal mist]

Yo! :3

[tired gull]

latest sims are for BIS much higher ilvl gear with full chants and gems

[round spire]

i mean you need uptime deathstalker always or you can do same dps all the time

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tall jay]

Nice

[pliant remnant]

Nice

[tired gull]

nice

[zenith prairie]

Is higher ilvl gear leaning fatebound cause of % agi buff?

[keen spruce]

Nice

[restive hawk]

nice

[radiant raven]

Nice

[arctic socket]

Nice

[balmy condor]

Not really

[somber nimbus]

do m+ players think they are hot shit or something

i bet most cant even parse right in raids

[balmy condor]

Their internet number is higher than yours

And they have 12 hours a day to smash their head into a brick wall

So clearly they’re the smartest

[pliant remnant]

I play M+ sometimes and I only parse left in raids

[tired gull]

it's fun wiping on trash because someone missed a single interrupt

[zenith prairie]

I’d rather smash my face into a boss for 400 attempts like a true gamer

[balmy condor]

Yeah you miss one kick the healer dies, calls the tank a slur and leaves and you go back to town to sit in queue for another 45 minutes

Insane gameplay

[keen spruce]

I loved the m+ arguments in df about min-maxing assas when it couldn’t even survive a 27 tott first boss zap without aug.

[balmy condor]

[tired gull]

i'm a m+ gamer, m+ to fill my vault and bounce

[keen spruce]

Bruh it doesn’t matter when you KB you’re not making it to the second boss

[pliant remnant]

Healers don't use slurs

Healers are angels

It's the tanks that use slurs

[radiant raven]

demon hunter tanks.

[tired gull]

a healer used a slur in a heroic yesterday

[round spire]

on deathstalker rotation it says you dont start with ambush and you cant apply deathstalker because of that why we do that ?

[whole sand]

m+ is fine you're all being major nerds rn

[pliant remnant]

Demon hunter tanks especially

[balmy condor]

But fatebound sims higher hello?????

[radiant raven]

I've never met a nasty brewmaster tank. they're all angels. Probably because there's like 4 of them.

[autumn rover]

In a heroic lol? Those are brain dead how are ppl mad

[balmy condor]

You open with ambush

[round spire]

im looking at maxroll

[tired gull]

Yup

[pliant remnant]

Monk players in general are, in my experience, some of the chillest players.

[balmy condor]

Problem identified

[tired gull]

Zen vibin

[restive hawk]

maxr ll

[radiant raven]

I did an M+ last season with four monks. It ruled. Just the best comp.

[ruby oyster]

if i have darkest night up and i open with ambush on fresh mob do i get capstone bonus on 1st 7cp envenom or is that old buff just consumed without effect? seems like its gone without effect but just want to be sure

[iron carbon]

Got 4 in my ex-guild, 4 drama queen

But they're french so it can falsify results

[balmy condor]

You can’t apply a mark over a mark

[silver wave]

using deathstalker atm. Fatebound scares me b/c it's rng and i have really bad luck

[tired gull]

everyone makes mistakes, shit happens, just vibe and kill red bars

[pliant remnant]

Ah yeh, French pe*ple

[nova aspen]

its still good regardless of rng

[keen spruce]

Imma be honest.. idk what the hero talents even do. But I’m guessing this is one of those “guide says crit mastery, why sim telling me vers. Isn’t vers worst stat? Why lying on guide?”

[silver wave]

The hero talents do.... hero stuff

make moar effective or something

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is +20% prio damage and makes evasion a magic DR, and fatebound does not do those things

[tired gull]

whispyr i think you need to update guide stat weights for every possible combination of stats 👍

[nova aspen]

ban the next shmuck that says stat weights

[tired gull]

stat weights aren't real

[silver wave]

Hey, Farva, what's the name of that place you like with all the shit on the walls

[balmy condor]

And because that’s crazy value I recommended deathstalker in every single dungeon

[tired gull]

Shenanigans?

[silver wave]

lol

[tired gull]

🔫

[balmy condor]

So now I’m getting “but fatebound?”

[keen spruce]

Yeah I mean even just the evasion mode would make me take it

[silver wave]

At least it looks like they might be getting rid of a button soon, with envenom just activating snd.

[tired gull]

this is my favorite thing to see in discord

[keen spruce]

Whatever happened to the feint doing damage thing? Did that get reverted or is everyone just accepting that? Is that even one of the Assas things?

[ruby oyster]

yeah but fresh mob doesn't have mark yet, i ambush first so it has 3 stacks but i also still have darkest night up, im assuming i also dont get any effect of night including bonus dmg?

[bitter solar]

flippy coin vs purple X

[keen spruce]

[wanton spear]

they should have gotten rid of maintenance buffs a long time ago

[silver wave]

agreed. when they're baked into baseline they're no longer buffs. but a tax

[autumn rover]

Flippy coin flippy coin

[pliant remnant]

They'll see us complaining about automatic Tea and construe it as us liking as many buttons as humanly possible, and they'll make us press SnD again

[silver wave]

ugh

that's insani-tea

[tired gull]

bring back sub recuperate 100% uptime

[distant plover]

hey chat i checked the guides but those statweights cant be right help plox

[bitter solar]

cata sub was my all time fav

[bitter saddle]

Hey I have solution

[balmy condor]

What

[distant plover]

im listening

[balmy condor]

No

[bitter saddle]

Just use whatever drops and has high ilvl

Profit

[distant plover]

just trolling sorry

sin so chill

[balmy condor]

You get the capstone, it just goes -1 on the mark instead of reapplying

[tired gull]

we coolin

[distant plover]

fr

[hidden light]

slowly trying out all three specs and I must say the bugs are driving me bonkers. Outlaw has the biggest slap in the face bug atm as you feel like you're having a stroke with BTE. Sin is still a blast, especially in aoe

my old man wrists dread doing keys as outlaw though, 84 apm shortens that playtime greatly lol

[restive hawk]

the bug where BTE doesnt shoot no matter how hard you try?

[lean nimbus]

Apologies if this has been discussed - didn't see it in pins and searching "multi" didn't get me anywhere. What fights are you guys gonna spec multi on for this raid tier? Broodtwister Ovi'Nax? Silken Court?

[keen spruce]

I love the auto tea change because it perfectly captures everything I love about the dev cycle of wow.

-blizz totally ignoring or unaware of the obvious shit storm a change will stir up
-casuals don’t even read patch notes so won’t care even though the change is for them
-top players won’t care because the net effect is so small it doesn’t matter
-everyone else loses their mind because “Muh agency”

[hidden light]

yes that bug lol, but it tricks your brain out as a proc

[bitter saddle]

I tried outlaw for the first time yesterday. I think it’s awesome for questing but too Hektik for me

[restive hawk]

yeah its driving me nuts holy shit

[hidden light]

that bug will probably keep me doing sin for keys

[tired gull]

sin best spec

[hidden light]

we are all sinners, so it's only natural

[jagged copper]

Good morning. It is the first time that I will play rogue in retail (I know the base of the character from classic).

Could someone kindly instruct me on how to optimize my skill-bar?

I speak Spanish in case anyone who speaks Spanish is out there.

[restive hawk]

tell my raid lead that while sin sims 120k lower with better gear

[autumn rover]

The loss of tier set in outlaw drove me here

[delicate egret]

Think there might be a bug pn the wowhead guide. I am getting recommended to imp garrote, even when the talent isn't selected.

[rough hull]

im just sad that sin dont want versa, always feeling too squishy in high keys and ending up using versa nonetheless

[safe shale]

@balmy condor

XDDD

[tired gull]

tell your raid leader basing off different spec sims is silly behavior

[normal mist]

That's now how it works

[balmy condor]

Don’t ping me for togglers I will kill myself

[hidden light]

yup no class should prioritize vers, but there it is with outlaw

[keen spruce]

If my raid lead tells me to spec swap I tell them to kindly chortle my balls

[safe shale]

ahahahahaha

[pliant remnant]

I appreciate you

[normal mist]

If you need versa you get versa is that simple

[wanton spear]

my raid leader has this delusion that rogue's are top dps by a landslide

[spice spire]

Do they?

[safe shale]

Its abug, ignore that part

[keen spruce]

No it hasn’t worked yet but I’ll keep trying

[spice spire]

Good luck god speed king

[tired gull]

if you find a rl that will chortle your balls, you better not leave that guild

[arctic socket]

Fr

[wanton spear]

doesn't mean we get PI

[arctic socket]

Where did he get that from

[woven torrent]

!dagger

!weapon

😦

[ruby oyster]

ok, mark not reapplying was obvious just wasn't sure if dmg component is also gone or not

[balmy condor]

Just wait till I make the visuals that are impossible to reflect using the togglers

Then I’m going to get REALLY suicidal

[arctic socket]

!pi

[keen spruce]

Common rl take at the start of every tier

[safe shale]

Jesus i do not envy that what so ever

[wanton spear]

@arctic socket i have no fking idea, he thinks there is nothing wrong with our class we don't have bugs and if we aren't way ahead of everyone else its a player skill issue lol

[balmy condor]

Required to use dogshit tool because it looks pretty regardless of how useful it actually is!

Nice!!!!

SO HAPPY

[tired gull]

Welcome to my day to day

[keen spruce]

Im at the airport already and my flight is in 6.5 hours

[silver wave]

oof

[dusty zenith]

Big oof

[keen spruce]

But the airbnb needed us out by 10am

[dusty zenith]

wtf

[keen spruce]

I should start bringing an air mattress as one of my carry ons

[wanton spear]

i just got back from vacation yesterday, apperently you can get sunburn on your eyes. feels like constantly having sand under your eyelids lol

[hidden light]

Don't have bugs, lol. Your RL is delusional if they have any idea what class/specs are great atm. It's all a giant toss upw ith the disparity in gear, bugs, and bugs

[keen spruce]

Yeah that shit is the worst