assassination

[terse orchid]

As did echo right?

[sharp wadi]

so did gingi

[balmy condor]

yeah

echo and method's entire roster pretty much

[oak eagle]

yeah but its only heroic week

theyll all still get all the splits in

[sharp wadi]

wait really?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[sharp wadi]

i heard about entirety of method

[oak eagle]

i only know of Kush and Gingi getting banned

[sharp wadi]

not mostly echo

[terse orchid]

Nothing they can't make up by letting Liquid bugtest the bosses first tho

[balmy condor]

gingi was malding on twitter about the entire guild getting punished from him abusing

[oak eagle]

finally

[terse orchid]

Fuck that dwarf lol

[oak eagle]

these rwf guilds should be getting punished for exploiting

[sharp wadi]

maybe being punished because he's banned

[oak eagle]

hope it happens again

and a liquid analyst did it accidentally and they also got banned, but max told his entire guild to not do it

[oak eagle]

because hes a G

[terse orchid]

yeah hope that next time it's an actual punishment, now that they've been warned

[sharp wadi]

effects splits and such even with just him banned but I guess we'll find out tomorrow

[balmy condor]

I mean this seems pretty cut and dry

[oak eagle]

yeah

[balmy condor]

that many people got banned

[sharp wadi]

oh yeah

i hadn't seen it until now

interesting

wonder how many

also wonder if the guy max was talking about multiboxing in liquid got banned too

[terse orchid]

He did

[balmy condor]

given andy's tweet they for sure lost at least naowh/meeres

[terse orchid]

was their only one i think

[sharp wadi]

1 aint bad

naowh was exploiting other things too

justified

naowh tweeted 50m ago about it

[oak eagle]

yeah maevy got banned, but max told the rest of the guild to not exploit and they didnt

[sharp wadi]

gg maevy

[oak eagle]

we love maevy troubleshooting for the guild

[sharp wadi]

yeah I was gonna say

literally just found out by happenstance and banned

and the rest of the guild avoided it after

[brave kindle]

What's the tool we're using to sim dungeon runs?

[sharp wadi]

dungeon slice?

[brave kindle]

there it is

thank you, been typing in dungeon SPLICE for the last 30 minutes wanting to kms

[sharp wadi]

dungeon slice generally pretty unreliable at least afaik

[grim jay]

DS is the best way for gearing choices

[brave kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlucky-sungwon-cho-prozd-unfortunate-out-of-luck-gif-25091139

[sharp wadi]

i've always known dslice to be unreliable but maybe that's changed

[terse orchid]

Understandable. That Splice fishussy is on my mind a lot too

[grim jay]

Its the way to sim for dungeons on rogue since ages

The sim number you get is in no way what you will deal in a dungeon tho

Its only for gearing purposes

[sharp wadi]

Understandable

[terse orchid]

When in doubt just slam whichever item has more mastery. It's the stat that makes a spec a spec, so clearly bis and most fun

[brave kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/math-math-checks-out-lunch-break-lunch-break-quartet-kj-mc-aleesejergins-gif-17394986

[ebon steppe]

Does sudden demise consider crit for dots？

[fallen arch]

What?

[ebon steppe]

Like does crit affect my sudden demise damage

if it procs

[runic hinge]

No

[fallen arch]

No

That would be wild

[normal mist]

That's not really how it goes but I like the spirit

[ebon steppe]

Ah i know it will not crit
I mean would crit affect the bleeding damage pool in calculation

[crystal nymph]

bubbling wax is good for sin too?

[ebon steppe]

"Remaining bleed damage you would deal"

[normal mist]

It's free

That's why it's an option

[crystal nymph]

i know but is it better? 😄

[normal mist]

No

[kindred hinge]

Could someone explain like I am 5 pooling and what energy level we have to stay above in aoe to benefit from the Sanguine blade? Or the energy from the bleeds justify a spam envenom when caustic + bleeds are up regardless of SB?

[dusk onyx]

is dawnthread not working? i only get 1 stack crit

[balmy condor]

kill yourself

not irl

[normal mist]

In AoE you don't care because you're always capped

[balmy condor]

but like

get below 80

walk off a building or something

it'll trigger

[dusk onyx]

oh this bug again

[balmy condor]

yah

they just copied blue silk

and copied the bug with it

[clever sapphire]

feisty today arent we

[dusk onyx]

thank you ❤️

[kindred hinge]

Thanks, and in ST I understood that I pool when I can't maintain Envenom buff ?

[grim jay]

Instructions unclear, my legs are broken

[normal mist]

He saw the opportunity and took it

[normal mist]

Yeah that's exactly it

[kindred hinge]

Cheers

[stable flint]

This is meant for IRL right ?

[normal mist]

You chain some envenoms, and once you can't maintain them, you go take a coffee and return

[grim jay]

He only said to not kill yourself irl

So I guess

[terse orchid]

Where's the lie. If I have more mastery, that means I am literally better

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

[main hemlock]

is deathstalker or fatebound build suggested for Raiding?

[terse orchid]

Yes.

[clever sapphire]

deathstalker gonna sim higher, fatebound is easier to play. If a boss has intermissions or whatnot that could mess up your mark and ruin deathstalker for you

[main hemlock]

alright thank you

[waxen thunder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bitter badger]

with deathstalker mark acting weird if the target doesn't die, who should I put the mark for in the first boss of Mists?

[balmy condor]

the tree and if the tree is getting low, swap your mark over to the dude with the capstone

[bitter badger]

alright

[iron pilot]

Do you guys know how many ability points do you need to roll “need” in a raid boss recipe?

[ancient rain]

is fatebound/cb better than er/deathstalker now?

[balmy condor]

about the same

[tawdry sedge]

whispyr will i get an answer to my question by tomorrow?

outlaw is boring

[balmy condor]

Idk what your question even was

is it a question answered in the guide

[shy pecan]

Is this from the same server?

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

I need this

Someday

[tawdry sedge]

No it is not in the guides, the question was simple, in a pack of mobs do i attack whatever mob is in front of me, or the one i placed my mark initially before spreading bleeds?

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[shy pecan]

Why would you not attack the target you marked?

[tawdry sedge]

because i was tab targetting to spread the bleeds like i remember doing in bfa?

[shy pecan]

I mean, what is the argument for not attacking that marked target after you spread your bleeds?

[tawdry sedge]

I CANT FIND IT!

[crisp ridge]

Quick question: when running splatter but not CT for raid bosses, some fights like Rasha'nan wowhead talents are running imp garrote as well is there a reason for that or is it a typo

[eternal wigeon]

any good tips for gearing before season now?

[lusty belfry]

Understandable. I like to mark the biggest one and then get bleeds up and go back to big man.

[brave kindle]

make yourself a weak aura

that shows marked target on plates

Mine makes them purple

[terse orchid]

start last week? Season is pretty much happening now

[eternal wigeon]

just finished campaign 🙂

[terse orchid]

spam dungeons

[balmy condor]

then don't take the slight L in omega large packs, get a better nameplate/use mouseovers etc

[tender summit]

Do you have a link to that WA?

[brave kindle]

Well yeah I made it

[lucid meteor]

tier 1 sub?

[bleak plume]

@balmy condor Ty for your videos and guides btw, i appreciate the informative yapping, keep it upppp

[balmy condor]

ty

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr I’m gonna ambushy that bussy on god

[ancient tangle]

hi guyz, why does blood fury is sent after KB in the sims ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2gx1GxEcMtHtHzvTz8z6T1

Shouldn't it be just before KB ?

[pure moth]

i just have it macro'd to deathmark

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

I checked it earlier

you can macro to dm if you'd like

maybe I swap the order just for clarity

[ancient tangle]

isn't it best just before KB to buff the KB initial dmg and instant dmg and to last longer on DM ?

and it would cover the entire KB anyway

[grim jay]

It will last the full kb if you use it with dm aswell

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter

[ancient tangle]

why ?

[balmy condor]

you're still doing damage after your KB

it's just not enough of a difference to matter

[grim jay]

Sums up the racial impact

[balmy condor]

I lied, it's actually worse to cast before kb

[grim jay]

Why tho? Does it miss the last tick?

[balmy condor]

idk

sim says so

I'm checking to see if I fucked it up

would assume lingering darkness or whatever

yeh doing this instead is margin

so completely equal

[cerulean nest]

@balmy condor why resounding clarity on some boss set ups and not others?

[balmy condor]

lemme check if it matters for fatebound

[balmy condor]

resounding should be gone on all of them

[cerulean nest]

still there on rashanan, court and ansurek

[balmy condor]

I do not believe you

[cerulean nest]

im just importing them dont shoot me

[cerulean nest]

this is me importing rashanan

obviously not a big deal, I just swapped em

[balmy condor]

yeh it's not doing that for me

[cerulean nest]

weird

[balmy condor]

can you restart your browser and try again

[cerulean nest]

ah that worked

huh

[balmy condor]

you were cached

[cerulean nest]

cache me outside kiddo

[balmy condor]

I fixed it like 2-3 hours ago but your browser just loaded what it knew

[brave kindle]

Why do all the daggers in these dungeons look indentical

[balmy condor]

instead of pulling new stuff

[cerulean nest]

makes sense

[balmy condor]

in what way

these do not look identical to me

[grave trail]

Let's say theoretically I want to craft an item+embelish with spark what would be a good craft

[brave kindle]

Am I crazy

[grave trail]

Before raid tmrw

[balmy condor]

dagger

[grave trail]

Dagger ok wgat embel?

[brave kindle]

\

[balmy condor]

ascension

please read a guide

or a pin

[balmy condor]

yeh those are the same

[brave kindle]

then the other 2 are different, u right, but they the same, but different

[balmy condor]

city of threads has the same one as well

dunno why

but they like that model

[cobalt sphinx]

@balmy condor do you like dtb or zoldyck for dungeons atm

[balmy condor]

I don't think I'd ever play zold in dungeons

[grim jay]

Based

#hybridgang

[balmy condor]

I am scent of blood gamer

[queen egret]

as of right now, my ST on assa is like 15% lower than my sub ST, do we expect this to equal out as we get tier sets and trinkets, or is assa just performing worse in raid rn?

[grim jay]

Assa aint peforming in raid rn

Sub doesnt either

[crisp stream]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[brave kindle]

my sims have assass lower than sub and outlaw in raw ST but who knows

[ancient tangle]

can you link me your sim Whispyr ?

[grim jay]

Just comparing what you get on ST on a dummy or something doesnt really implicate whats better, there are many variables

[queen egret]

They're both fine imo, but i would just prefer playing asssa since thats what im playing in M+, but i just can justify it with these numbers lol

[grim jay]

And sims arent worth anything for actual raid performance either

[bronze pike]

i wouldnt say that

but you gotta be smart with sims

and raid performance

unless you get like actual patchwerk boss

[grim jay]

I meant just facevalue of sims, as thats what most people take them as. Just the number

Outlaw is the best example for why just the number itself doesnt matter

[queen egret]

i can't see what would make assa significantly better compared to sub in a real raid scenario

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dam5d9Ksr81tbg8vohZZ3

go wild

[brave kindle]

I mean, your AoE is better, and your cds lineup better for some bosses

[queen egret]

similar damage profiles, only sub has more burst so if anything that would be prefered?

or am imissing something?

[grim jay]

Sin basically has caustic for free aswell and has execute, execute is pretty decent for prog

[brave kindle]

On assass you also have a bit more leeway in your damage phases, it's not omega reliant on bursts like sub

if your burst gets fucked or interrupted on sub you're done for a while

[tawny shell]

link sims

[bronze pike]

40k higher than my spec

[balmy condor]

my pp bigger

sorry

[bronze pike]

thats not what disend said

[balmy condor]

this is such a funny argument cause usually I hear it the other way around ASSA IS SO GOOD WITH DOWNTIME DOT SPEC WAOW

[bronze pike]

disend of this dick

[grim jay]

Especially since envenom does barely any damage

Right? RIGHT?

That actually made that take even worse

[zealous crag]

Hey @balmy condor what's your addon for talent pls ?

[brave kindle]

Don't fret lads, we'll be taken for atrophic

[grim jay]

Tbf noone is dooming that hard

[subtle tundra]

I want to be in for who I am. Not what I am

Nerf assa

[grim jay]

You are in because you are a gamer

[queen egret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g1xJ6KFmCHgzqJNArc7AKY

[subtle tundra]

Yea if rogue is undertuned the bench will be very warm

I can assure you

[balmy condor]

I don't have an addon for my talents

[drifting basin]

as i suck, could anyone tell me how much lower 2x dawnthread is simming than ascension + banding?

[novel star]

what is an addon for talents

even

[balmy condor]

there's like talent managers

for one click and whatever

[novel star]

ah

[balmy condor]

I was thinking about using one

but I haven't needed it before

[novel star]

arent the retail loadouts fine tho

[drifting basin]

i love my talent addon

[balmy condor]

there's a cap of like 10 loadouts

[drifting basin]

since it lets me create more loadouts

[balmy condor]

yeh

[novel star]

ahh ok

didnt know

never had more than like 4 or 5

[balmy condor]

problematic for the people who like have one loadout for every raid boss, for every spec

you quickly run into like

[zealous crag]

Yeah ...

[balmy condor]

35-40 loadouts that way

[strange python]

They bumped that to 25 I think!

[brave kindle]

I have 5 pvp specs feelsbadman

[strange python]

With tww

[balmy condor]

pog

[strange python]

Or even more idk

[novel star]

surely we switch any talents other than caustic

for raid

[balmy condor]

I am coping that ct will be good on like 2 fights

[mild trench]

Oh they did? I can delete my addon then

[balmy condor]

cause CT is crazy

[normal mist]

[novel star]

use ct on the fuckin

whatever theyre called

2 boss thing

[balmy condor]

spiders

burn the spiders

with CT

[novel star]

silken court or something

[strange python]

Fuck it use ct everywhere

[balmy condor]

you can't stack them on mythic

so idk

[short ledge]

what should i use as oil if i can't buy a whetstone ?

[balmy condor]

wax

[novel star]

ah

[novel star]

bubbling wax or algari mana oil

mana oil is 3k gold cheaper (us) for like .3% less damage

on my character at least

[novel star]

ideally both cus wax doesnt work on offhand? i think? game fucking sucks?

[delicate egret]

So currently the wowhead ST build isn't recommending improved garrote. Do we use vanish on ST in this case? And when/for what?

[brave kindle]

what does this mean

[sharp viper]

I wouldn't let your character near my child either with that kind of name

[brave kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[novel star]

youd just not vanish im p sure

[brave kindle]

trust me im just asking for a friend

[novel star]

its a backup button if your ds mark bugs

[arctic tusk]

is sin gonna be goated on rashanan cuz of execute? im sure someone has talked about it already

dont know how much bonus dmg we get from execute tho

[hexed frost]

Isn't bubbling wax literally free?

[hot pasture]

Where we found the oil for weapons?

[novel star]

yes

wax is free but you can only get the effect to do anything on your main hand

mana oil is not free but is barely worse than whetstones and infinitely cheaper

so you combine mh wax oh oil

if ur cheap

[terse orchid]

Doubt it, with the existence of a true execute spec like arms

[sharp viper]

I am!

[novel star]

same

lol

[hexed frost]

No use when they gonna run out of rage if they spam executes 🤣

[novel star]

i mean sin will be better on that fight than it is on the others yea

dno about goated

[drifting basin]

any knowers

[brave kindle]

I think sin will be better than usual but don't other classes just benefit more off exe than ass rogue

[novel star]

:simyoself:

where did the emotes go wt f

[sharp viper]

no, assa has one of the better executes

[brave kindle]

I see, I see

[sharp viper]

[novel star]

WHY IS IT GONE FOR ME

[drifting basin]

thats why i prefaced it with i suck hmmge

[novel star]

im refreshing discord

[sharp viper]

it's just :simself :

[novel star]

i see

[brave kindle]

[novel star]

i was using one from another server before i guess

or something

[balmy condor]

depends on uptime

what's your uptime

[drifting basin]

of dawnthread? lets assume 70%

[balmy condor]

then it's like 0.2% worse

[drifting basin]

oh pog

thats not bad

ty man

[balmy condor]

np

[drifting basin]

i thought i fucked up since the wowhead guide states specifically that dawnthread is bis

and then i read the pins and got sad

[balmy condor]

it's bis at 80%

equal at 75%

so I think for most like normal/heroic raiders

probably fine

[drifting basin]

oh not bad. impossible in a raid setting but pretty good for m+

[sharp viper]

gonna be curious how realistic uptime will be in mythic raid

[balmy condor]

I mean 80% is fairly reasonable in raid I think

it's not impossible

[grim jay]

Im getting more and more doubtful of embellishment balancing still happening

[drifting basin]

really? i had blue silken lining last tier and 40-60% was most bosses

[balmy condor]

yeh blue silk was around 60%

[drifting basin]

and the tier before

[balmy condor]

but dawnthread is above 80%

and blue silk is above 90%

and that's a huge difference

[drifting basin]

oh yeah, you're right

didnt think about that. might be good

we'll see

[balmy condor]

80% uptime is probably a bit too hopeful

but it might get close

[ornate grotto]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[median marsh]

Hello - is echoing reprimand explained anywhere? I don’t understand how it works with Deathstalker Mark

[robust axle]

YEP

[sharp viper]

probably also depends on the incoming damage profile of the encounter, continuous damage might result in less uptime compared to big spikes of damage

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

[vocal minnow]

easy - it doesnt

[balmy condor]

there's very little of those

like there's no smolderon this tier

[torpid ridge]

anyone know how big of a dps difference there is between running whetstones vs bubbling wax? not seeing an option for wax on raidbots to check myself

[balmy condor]

that just ticks you for 10% of your health every 2 seconds

[balmy condor]

equal but not stackable

[split flame]

what yall doing for your first spark craft?

[balmy condor]

dagger if I don't get one from m0

[sharp viper]

waiting

[novel star]

new testing shows wax equal to stones?

o_o

[torpid ridge]

oh shit im just running wax then

[sharp viper]

waiting for whispyr's BIS tier list

[split flame]

what if you git a daggy from m0 then what?

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/266712108861751296/1282711033089097818/image.png?ex=66e101fd&is=66dfb07d&hm=d9857f799daba19cd0159a086e03c10c26f15a8ff90cd64b1d3680a6dc72d9f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=810&height=216

this is outlaw

[storm hedge]

Dagger as well if no drop.

[balmy condor]

so a bit worse for us

cause no vers

[storm hedge]

Won't we have 2 sparks?

[balmy condor]

wrist

[median marsh]

Should I not proc it then in the opener and focus on proccing 3rd stack of DSM?

[novel star]

wow thats sick wtf

rogue economy winning

[short sedge]

Why is wax wax equal if it's not stackable

[novel star]

bugs=0

i think XD

[sharp viper]

I'm honestly torn on what to craft since I will probably have to play outlaw as well as sin

[balmy condor]

yes

bugs=0

[novel star]

its like assuming wax is stacking to get that number

[balmy condor]

is no bugs

[torpid ridge]

think they meant it doesnt stack with whet

[balmy condor]

no

[short sedge]

Ah I see

[balmy condor]

wax does not stack with itself

[novel star]

no wax doesnt stack with itself

[balmy condor]

you can't wax/wax

[novel star]

but the top 4 are without any bugs in the sim

[grim jay]

Why would you have to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

this is going to have to be another fucking chat command isn't it

I'm gonna kms

[novel star]

yea

[storm hedge]

!wax

[sharp viper]

sim numbers go brrrr

[novel star]

better than being moroes replacement again

[grim jay]

Nonsense goes brrrrrr

[novel star]

get typing whispyr!

[balmy condor]

assassination channel just turns into bot spam

episode 15

[novel star]

i mean

if it works it works

[grim jay]

You know you like it

[balmy condor]

I hate it actually

I just hate answering the same shit over and over

way more

[sharp viper]

!wax !bis !bugs !sims !whispyronlyfeet

[novel star]

[bitter saddle]

!whispyronlyfeet

Didn’t work

[grim jay]

Its just a matter of perspective. You could say you hate one thing more, but you could also say that you like the other more

[sharp viper]

it's not yet up yet

[grim jay]

Stay positive

[balmy condor]

sorry, command ain't real

here

[novel star]

sheeeeesh!!!

[sharp viper]

yet

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Intro: Whispyr opening a Monster with his toes and drinking it while holding it with his feet when?

[distant plover]

dis chaaaat

[crisp stream]

Fancy

[balmy condor]

I don't think I got enough grip in my toes to crack a can

[grim jay]

Id respect it

Ngl

Would probably donate

[balmy condor]

we'll try it tomorrow waiting for servers to come up

[crisp stream]

Wen next YT video Whispyr

[grim jay]

[vocal minnow]

so nothing about new balancing this reset?

[sharp viper]

yet

[grim jay]

Likely to happen to some degree next reset when they have actual data

[sharp viper]

practice and you'll get there

[crisp stream]

Does anyone know how to fix the vanish problem with details?

[balmy condor]

idk

[grim jay]

When will you stream? Might tune in at work

[median marsh]

So then should I ignore proccing it in the opener and focus on proccing deathstalker mark for lingering darkness?

[balmy condor]

idk will try to be on early but I'm a snoozer

wrapped up in my blankets and shit

sleepy little dude

[grim jay]

Relatable

[sharp viper]

[bitter saddle]

Just press it on cd and ignore it then is what I do

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cuddles-cuddle-cat-cat-cuddle-sleepy-cat-cat-sleepy-gif-13127427148831486106

this is literally me

[vocal minnow]

dont talent the additional points at all

[quiet oar]

i wish i was the blanket

[sharp viper]

probably not a bad idea, might be 12 hours of NA server maintenance yet again

[balmy condor]

my alarm is set for 10am

so like

8:20 from now

but if there's like a "hey servers won't be up till 5pm"

I'm hitting a fat snooze

[sharp viper]

how you gonna know that while in bed

[balmy condor]

I look at my phone

and I see the 50 wowhead posts

and the 35 dms

my morning ritual is to wake up and answer all my dms

[sharp viper]

sounds like a normal day for you tbh

I don't like having my phone close to me while in bed, I'd procrastinate sleep if it was

[zealous wolf]

are you guys going deathstalker or fatebound for the raid?

[orchid cedar]

mm this raid tier is very ranged friendly right?

[sharp viper]

going both, deathstalker if I'm motivated (or once ER works with it) and fatebound if I want to comprehend something first

[median marsh]

But I mean it still animacharges my combo points. Should I not try to proc those?

[sharp viper]

welcome to world of warcraft encounter design

[median marsh]

Oh crap, maybe I actually have it talented if I have 3 points animacharged

[storm hedge]

You drop Resounding Clarity and get lethality

[orchid cedar]

at least they could tune acordinlgy

[storm hedge]

If ER is not fixed.
You'll get only one anima charged CP without Resounding clarity but lethality is strong so

[zealous wolf]

Wdym by comprehend?

Like understand the encounters?

[sharp viper]

learn the encounter before tryharding damage

[zealous wolf]

ah

[sharp viper]

yes

[zealous wolf]

i havent even tried fatebound xd

is bugged deathstalker still more dmg?

[clever sapphire]

raid and m+ both

[bronze pike]

[storm hedge]

Should be around the same.

[bronze pike]

i wont be doing that

ill be going guns hho, and if i die ill blame the healers

[bitter saddle]

Healers always fault

And tanks too

[robust axle]

Well Fatebound is simming around 2% higher with gear, right now they sim the same for me

[manic coral]

so sad that we are at the start and they still couldn't fix the ER bug, is it even a bug or we just hope it is how it was intended?

[crystal nymph]

so for embelish 2xCrit

?

feet and wrist for slots?

[sharp viper]

[kindred oriole]

Quick question on sims: do they take into account that Echoing Reprimand doesn't work properly with Deathstalker's Mark?

[humble burrow]

hey ive a question me and my friend both playing assassination and his sudden demise does way more than mine. im higher dps overall and our bleeds do very similar dps with the same talents with multiple rogues is it just pure luck who gets the sudden demise proc ?

[normal mist]

Yes

If one procs

The other doesn't

That's just it

[terse orchid]

Wait is that real?

[normal mist]

If sudden procs you kill the guy

[terse orchid]

Oh right ofc, since it's a straight execute yeah

[balmy condor]

turns out you can't kill things twice

[terse orchid]

makes sense

[normal mist]

You can't kill twice

[delicate egret]

Hey, would anyone be willing to take a look at a log for me? Just feel like my damage is a taaad to the low side, but having difficulty figuring out what I am doing wrong.

[grim jay]

We just wait for stuff to happen, noone knows

[grim jay]

What if they get a rezz

[normal mist]

Gg ez

Gamba again

[sharp viper]

[normal mist]

[golden matrix]

what would the estimated dmg % difference between fatebound and deathstalker in dungeons be? is it substantial?

[tawdry sedge]

fatebound buffs when?

[bronze dune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[magic grove]

Eyo guys!, I've been playing lately assa and i have a few questions..

Playing Deathstalker, do you play around to build 7cp on deathmark? cause I'm testing the rotation i feel sometimes that i need overcap CP to reach 7 CP or sometimes if i need to maintain envenom i need to land envenom instead building 7cp to reach deathstalker

[normal mist]

For now it is, while bugs persist

[robust axle]

Yea should def buff the best simming spec 🙂

[normal mist]

5+ unless you want to proc DN

[balmy condor]

if you have darkest night you need to force yourself to 7 asap

[sharp viper]

everybody knows you get a damage increase if you macro one of these die into your finishers as fatebound

[golden matrix]

so deathstalker currently > fatebound or the other way around @normal mist ?

[balmy condor]

fatebound more overall

deathstalker better

[magic grove]

Even tho i might lost envenom chain right?

[balmy condor]

would you rather lose an envenom chain or a hero talent

[magic grove]

That's what i tho but wanted to confirm

[balmy condor]

[magic grove]

didnt play assa since legion

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[balmy condor]

it's pretty similar to legion tbh

[fathom cove]

what is that Fatebound Tails flair whispyr? have you betrayed us Deathstalkers?

[magic grove]

And also, i'm checking the guide and i don't fully understand this part

[balmy condor]

I've always had the coin

haven't specced deathstalker once this expac yet

[magic grove]

Like you should vanish and not ambush?

[delicate egret]

Do we always use Clear the Witness when up in ST?

[fathom cove]

omigod

[novel star]

yes, ambush sucks

[balmy condor]

imagine that garrote is an ambush in your minds eye

at least for non imp gar builds

[novel star]

ah yea ds doesnt take that shit huh

[balmy condor]

technically should be vanish ambush gar

but then like

no gar

so ugly

ugly UGLY

STINKY

[novel star]

just add another arrow

[balmy condor]

I'm fixing it now but god it's cringe

[novel star]

if not talented into imp gar ambush

[royal lantern]

how was it again

skill out of 3charged CP on deathstalker and instead put the point into lethality right

[novel star]

500 notes on ur opener

[balmy condor]

read a guide I'll fucking kill you

[royal lantern]

no

[novel star]

well i was going to say yes

but whispyrs killing you

so get owned

[balmy condor]

I will remove all of germany

[royal lantern]

i see that as a positive thing wdym

no work today

awesome

[quiet oar]

wtf

[royal lantern]

pls do it

[quiet oar]

i dont ahve anything to do with that

[novel star]

better safe than sorry

[magic grove]

Still dont understand after reading your answers

That part should be, envenom + vanish + ambus + improv garrote?

or am i tripping

[novel star]

if you dont have improved garrote

the garrote there is just an ambush and then a garrote refresh

i think

[fathom cove]

yeah if you dont have this talent

you ambush there

if you do have that talent, you garrote

[royal lantern]

but you have 3cp on ER on all wowhead talent builds

[grim jay]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

I literally have it on none

[magic grove]

But if i have improv, then its envenom + vanish + garrote + garrote?

[balmy condor]

vanish ambush gar

no double

[robust axle]

Oh no here we go

[novel star]

ratio whispyr

raid aoe page

[royal lantern]

? probs forgot that one i gues

[novel star]

HAHAHAH

[balmy condor]

that's m+

don't care

didn't ask

[royal lantern]

based

BASED

[magic grove]

Ok gotcha, and if you dont have improv, you just garrote instead of ambush

Thankssss

[grim jay]

Idk, Whispyr doesnt care for m+ and wants to obliterate germany. Muskelbruder wont be happy

[robust axle]

Other way around - If you DONT have improved Garrote, you Vanish > Ambush > Garrote

[balmy condor]

there

now none of them have resounding

heck you

[royal lantern]

most based take ever from him

[fringe oxide]

Did the update drop for heroic week tuning? Like crafts and specs?

[novel star]

hey thanks man i had no idea what to run for raid aoe i wouldnt have been able to figure that one out

[magic grove]

Thats the opposite that Whispyr said

[novel star]

that is exactly what whispyr said

[balmy condor]

if you have imp gar
you vanish ambush gar

if you do not have imp gar

[terse orchid]

So, vanish ambush ambush?

[balmy condor]

you vanish ambush

I fucking hate you guys

[robust axle]

XD

[novel star]

Based subterfuge user.

[balmy condor]

@royal lantern new world patch dropped

[royal lantern]

FUCKING 40K DUDE

ITS OVER

[royal lantern]

->France still exists

[terse orchid]

Funny man, as if we wouldn't just claim those waters for the netherlands instantly

Build new flevoland

[grim jay]

Only lin and lich remain

[balmy condor]

yep

[royal lantern]

btw, isnt there a bug with applying a mark with DN and a mark with ambush aswell

[balmy condor]

east germany moment

[royal lantern]

nah wait that was the other way around

[balmy condor]

even the city names only kept the right hand side of the word

[grim jay]

I will find you

For real

[terse orchid]

so there's a bug with marking with ambush and marking with DN?

[royal lantern]

no

no

no

[grim jay]

Idk what it is with germany and right

[royal lantern]

i meant something different

[clever sapphire]

the m+ build on the overview page still has it

[terse orchid]

What did you mean? BEcause it's getting hard to keep track of all the bugs

[balmy condor]

is nich rechts, is ALTERNATIVE für deutschland, alternative hat nichts mit rechts zu tun is doch klar

[balmy condor]

no it doesn't

[grim jay]

Youve literally fought me over it like 50 times

[balmy condor]

I'm literally staring at it

[clever sapphire]

you just updated it

[balmy condor]

yes

that's why I said

[terse orchid]

#gaslight #gatekeep #girlboss

[delicate egret]

Should we consume clear the witness procs in ST? Or is it just for AoE? I know it's used in the opener, but the base priority list doesn't state it, so a little confused 🙂

[balmy condor]

"NOW" none of them have resounding

emphasis on NOW

[clever sapphire]

yap

[royal lantern]

i meant the "you have DN ready, you mark an enemy with ambush, you trigger DN+the last ambush mark at the same time and they both poof into nothing

which is something different"

[balmy condor]

yes, if you don't have vicious

[terse orchid]

If it's good in the opener it's good in the rotation

[balmy condor]

god I have to fix that too don't I

gonna be a long night

[normal mist]

Drink a white monster

[terse orchid]

Or, you do it after sleeping when you find out servers are down

[delicate egret]

I thought it might just be some way of managing combo points, so wasn't totally sure. Thanks!

[grim jay]

Alternative
You could make those disappear, together with the left and die Grünen

[grim jay]

Bro we had one guy in here yesterday

That was literally arguing about that

And he was so fierce

Even seli muted him for a day

[sullen monolith]

i thought we dont vanish in kingsbane window anymore? 😮

[terse orchid]

How do you even trigger 3 marks from ambush before triggering the DN you already had

[royal lantern]

what has that to do with me rn lol

[grim jay]

Just dont hit 7 cp

[grim jay]

You are his brother

No I just wanted to let you know

[terse orchid]

Yeah but why would you lol

when you can just have DN prepped, mark with ambush and immediately go for the 7cp envenom

That sounds less like a bug and more like user error

[grim jay]

Ngl you can have DN, open with ambush and consume all the marks with rupture spreading before you even DN

[royal lantern]

nah, too smart for my brother

my brother got a displate thingy 2 days ago, fucked up the magnet for it and then decided to nail it on a wall

the true genius of our world

[grim jay]

Opening with ambush if you have DN is user error already

[terse orchid]

Well isn't the new thing in ST to do exactly that with your vanish during dm?

[grim jay]

Thats a "worst case its the same as a normal picture" moment

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[grim jay]

But why didnt he just get a new Magnet

[terse orchid]

have DN ready and then reapply stacks with the vanish ambush

[balmy condor]

okay now we fix guide

[terse orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-how-do-they-work-magnets-ho-wtf-gif-15717467

[royal lantern]

the "vanish into ambush instead of garrote" thing is fucking me so hard

years of muscle memory

[grim jay]

St has improved ambush bcs of blindside, you have different talents and VV

[jaunty matrix]

Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first
hmm

was does nothing, apply wax

[grim jay]

So you get some benefits for ambush

[terse orchid]

so it has nothing to do with deathstalker marks?

[grim jay]

M+ build has a noodle ambush

[balmy condor]

?

[grim jay]

I didnt do the math, but it just all adds up I guess

[balmy condor]

whats confusing

[jaunty matrix]

the whole sentence doesn't make sense

[balmy condor]

why not

[spring socket]

man they ever gonna fix ER

[solar wyvern]

I assume you mean to apply wax to mainhand first?

[balmy condor]

Right now wax applied to your offhand does nothing

so you have to apply the wax first

[grim jay]

On m+ your ambush hits like a noodle and offers less cp, the mark itself hits like a noodle aswell, so I guess the ambush value is there bcs of the raid talents aswell, as in improved ambush and VV

[balmy condor]

before your whetstone

?

[sullen monolith]

What do you use beside wax on your weapon? Whetstone is like 3k gold, that's insane 😄 Is there any "cheaper" alternatives?

[jaunty matrix]

first part says wax does nothing in offhand and then second part just stops suddenly after "apply wax first"

[balmy condor]

yes

because that's what you have to do

you have to apply wax first

[urban haven]

🤔

[solar wyvern]

Ah that makes sense, a clarity amendment would be "apply wax first, then whetstone"

[spring socket]

i feel a mr meyagi wax on wax off meme is needed

[balmy condor]

just apply anything

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

[terse orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-what-wtf-forehead-headon-gif-5952724

[royal lantern]

they all do the same neglectable minor increase

[terse orchid]

Yeah may as well not waste the gold

[spring socket]

whetstones are silly at the moment

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[balmy condor]

better?

[royal lantern]

i grabbed some enchanting mats, made myself 80x R1 mana oil and thats it

[grim jay]

Catering to casuals smh my head

[jaunty matrix]

yes

[solar wyvern]

Reading holistically it made sense but that line alone was confusing. Indeedily it is better

[balmy condor]

bet

back to guide

[jaunty matrix]

i don't even know why we are using enchants on heroic dungeon gear when its gonna be replaced instantly but the guild asked for it

wasted gold

as if normal and heroic raid won't be cleared without them

[balmy condor]

there is no way they overbuffed the raid

right

[spring socket]

my guild is asking for it dint specify what ranks tho

[balmy condor]

[spring socket]

*didn't

[jaunty matrix]

they did 2 weeks before expac release iirc

for rwf

[balmy condor]

yeah

[terse orchid]

even if they did, aint no way that buying mediocre upgrades for trash gear is gonna make the difference

[balmy condor]

and then they buffed it last week

[terse orchid]

when you cna just spam some more delves and dungeons

[balmy condor]

and then they buffed it yesterday

[solar wyvern]

I would love to have an overbuffed raid, makes things interesting for a bit

[balmy condor]

we're at least 3 rounds of buffs, maybe even 4 rounds deep

since the last raid testing

it's gonna be either well calculated

or an absolute fucking mess

[jaunty matrix]

its blizzard

definitely a mess

[grim jay]

So first heroic then nhc, got it

[balmy condor]

that's what my guild is doing yeh

[arctic socket]

Can’t wait to see changes tmr

[balmy condor]

can't wait to get obliterated by some mechanic that they buffed by 400%

[grim jay]

Same, we still didnt change, but I start doubting it

[jaunty matrix]

can't wait for half the addons to break because blizz will push unannounced changes

like they did on df

[balmy condor]

that's why I don't use elvui anymore

[grim jay]

I just have a decent fallback UI

[shadow patio]

Anyone playing any other specs for specific fits

[grim jay]

With Standard interface

[shadow patio]

Fights*

[balmy condor]

we have no idea

[jaunty matrix]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

rwf seems to be prepping sub/assa

[jaunty matrix]

do you know if we should craft first spark already ?

or wait for season to start

[balmy condor]

would wait

[jaunty matrix]

okie

[shadow patio]

What are you gonna. Raft whyspyr

Craft

[jaunty matrix]

raft is funnier

[balmy condor]

if I don't get a dagger I craft a dagger

[jaunty matrix]

[balmy condor]

if I do get a dagger I craft wrist

if I have a second spark and I crafted wrist I craft belt

[arctic socket]

Dagger is always a safe craft

[shadow patio]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

you never want to run into a situation where your mainhand is dogshit

[jaunty matrix]

i remember reading that the embellishment dagger could turn out to be great in offhand if they buff it

[balmy condor]

and then after that you just craft embellish

[jaunty matrix]

did they buff it ?

[balmy condor]

they did

and its ass

[grim jay]

Now the Ascension dagger could be great in offhand

[arctic socket]

Bring back Nicholas

[balmy condor]

god no

[grim jay]

Nicholas fulltime

[balmy condor]

fuck cantrip daggers man

[grim jay]

Unless craftable

[balmy condor]

sure

[arctic socket]

Sly dagger my beloved

[balmy condor]

but drop cantrip weapons

are actual agony

[terse orchid]

with ascension?

[grim jay]

Wait for shadowlands timewalking and they decide to make the raid sanctum

[balmy condor]

depends what dawnthread uptime looks like

if I do my clear and dawnthread uptime is like 60%

then yeah dumping it for ascension

or maybe I wake up and they nerfed ascension

fuck if I know

[terse orchid]

lel

[royal lantern]

they only do liked raids, if anything it would be CN

cus the other 2 where kinda hated lol

[grim jay]

But its Blizzard

They also thought aug is a good idea

[terse orchid]

it's not not a good idea

[royal lantern]

and deathstalker

and fatebound

[terse orchid]

we just need more support classes to even it out

[jaunty matrix]

They also thought X is a good idea
blizz in a nutshell

[slow trail]

Hi guys, fatebound or deathwalker ? 😄

[shadow patio]

What’s everyone simming at (pls don’t get meta on me and say it doesn’t matter ik it doesn’t really matter) just for fun 🙂

[jaunty matrix]

most of their ideas are bad and out of touch with reality but they will double down on them so they never have to admit their mistakes

[shadow patio]

I’m at like 600k

[storm hedge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[shadow patio]

Feelsbadman

[cobalt geyser]

SIngle build or m+ ?

[grim jay]

No, please no

[shadow patio]

Single target

But actually I think I was in a mythic plus spec

[cobalt geyser]

around 760k

[shadow patio]

When I did it

I like for sure was actually

[storm hedge]

For pooling with DS on ST, if we don't play Sanguine blades (which we don't) we pool to 70%?

[cobalt geyser]

and m+ it 650/660

[shadow patio]

Pgood

[balmy condor]

you just don't pool

with vicious you just send whenever

[royal lantern]

if energy for mut/envenom

you mut/envenom

[balmy condor]

I'm at little over 800k

[nocturne mortar]

should i stack all mastery/crit

[royal lantern]

no

[nocturne mortar]

or got some items haste-mastery

[royal lantern]

no

[terse orchid]

Gonna be fun to play that for two months and then to have it ripped away with the stupid tea change

[glass hemlock]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hidden meadow]

Have you guys seen the sim sheets for set pieces? If so, can it really be true that assa only gains around 2.42% dmg from 0 to 4 set? 🙂

[shadow patio]

Smackin

[balmy condor]

indubitably

[royal lantern]

yes

the tier set is weak

[hidden meadow]

Yikes

[strange python]

in st spec or m+ ?

[terse orchid]

No we sandbagging to keep the normies and nerfs out

[royal lantern]

its like that for most Specs

[grim jay]

Tierset is as weak as dps spreadsheets

[cobalt geyser]

Enha is just 20% tho

[shadow patio]

Likely his ST build

[robust axle]

800k

[glass hemlock]

Are we all excited to do t8 delves at reset 😂

[shadow patio]

Smackin

[royal lantern]

cant wait for people to do delves

and complain at t6 that they are overtuned

[terse orchid]

Kinda, I quite like them even if they're a bit easy so far

[glass hemlock]

Can’t wait to do 5 man group in delves

😂

Solo content for the win

[cobalt geyser]

4 rogues delves

[strange python]

same

[cobalt geyser]

pog

[shadow patio]

😂 I feel like it’s gonna be mega ez with 5 people

[balmy condor]

(I have degen enchants)

[strange python]

world boss spark then spam out the delves into m0 b4 raid

[shadow patio]

[glass hemlock]

T8 delve drops 603 ilvl, what’s m0?

[cobalt geyser]

I dont have any

[strange python]

i sim for 812k dps with the worst enchants lol

[terse orchid]

you're gonna craft before doing delves and m0?

[strange python]

probly not

[atomic grotto]

At what ilvl?

[balmy condor]

yah I'm not minmaxed at all

no rep farm or any of that shit

[strange python]

i will do it after delvs im 587.8 or somthing

[balmy condor]

just bunch of 590 crafted

[shadow patio]

The rep farm was ezpz 😂

But not even worth it!

[balmy condor]

yeah it's easy

I just

cba

and too much work to do

[robust axle]

As in Depths?

[shadow patio]

Blizzard dropped the ball with the crafted gear and the week of heroics

[cobalt geyser]

I am sitting at 12 renown on all factions

[balmy condor]

not that degen

[atomic grotto]

shite i sim 714k at 581 without enchants

[orchid cedar]

for raid, is caustic the right move on most bosses?

[balmy condor]

on aoe bosses sure ya

[balmy condor]

that doesn't sound unreasonable

that's like 6 ilvl + enchants

[tawny junco]

Do we have a page with talents for all bosses?

[balmy condor]

and probably not embellished?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tawny junco]

wowhead?

[atomic grotto]

u probably have a point

[balmy condor]

yes

[tawny junco]

alright ty

[strange python]

whats highest ilvl we can get before stepping into raid ? i got like 1500 waxes

[balmy condor]

brother what the fuck

[storm hedge]

Oh I didn't know that. Why is that? Is it because mut/ambush becomes strong enough that chaining doesn't matter?

[strange python]

degen mode activated

[balmy condor]

you're gonna be limited on crests until 17.2.5

are you high

[royal lantern]

ah yes, 3000hours of wax

[balmy condor]

dude has generational wealth of valorstones he will never get to use

[grim jay]

Not that wax

[strange python]

its not that bad actually ended up getting my bele mount too

[grim jay]

Its the valorstone wax

[strange python]

yeah valorstone wax

[royal lantern]

wtf mate

get help

[balmy condor]

I mean it's like 94% uptime

[swift dagger]

Just sayin u can get beledar mount without grinding 1500 wax

[balmy condor]

you're just not dropping your chain

[grim jay]

Idk why people stress so much, ive literally never been limited on stones even when I had all my gear after a week

[balmy condor]

also I'm already regretting realm hopping to get my name

[strange python]

yeah 100% you can but i can do those grinds easy lol i just want max ilvl going into raid not much else to do ingame

[balmy condor]

I just whispered a leatherworker to recraft my belt and he said he couldn't do r5

and I'm like that's fine just do what you can

sent it with a 10k tip

[orchid cedar]

the wowhead talents are for mythic difficulty i assume

[balmy condor]

bro just

doesn't fucking craft the belt

he's just sitting there

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

kept spamming trade

[grim jay]

I had one of those aswell

[radiant shadow]

Ahhaha

[royal lantern]

welcome to big realms

[balmy condor]

this is the only leatherworker I have seen in trade in 3 hours

[swift dagger]

damn dude u realm hopped back to the medieval ages

[strange python]

lol hit him with do you know who i am

[royal lantern]

99% of crafters are bots

enjoy

[mild copper]

He’s not doing cheap things, only r5

[balmy condor]

it's not even cheap its 10k gold with all my mats

like

[normal mist]

Tell him that if he speeds up the process you'll shout-out his name on stream

[balmy condor]

just press the fucking button bro

what are you on

[normal mist]

As the best lw on the server