assassination

[worldly nebula]

no right?

[balmy condor]

that's an m+ build

[clever sluice]

Oh I'm dumb I thought it updated let me check again.

[bronze dune]

does the quick sim report show char stats anywhere?

[mint valve]

1fuu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

would have to be in the html

[clever sluice]

Ok crisis averted lol ty.

[bronze dune]

whatd you sim for?

[clever sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g3tDv6KkmKb1R2gt5RMZXD

[wide ferry]

If we run delves w a group and its bountiful does everyone get loot from the chest?

[young dust]

best cheap upgrades would be crafting 2 rings and neck 590 for sockets

[bronze dune]

nice

[dusty rivet]

Any reccomendations? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5JUzHak2ZZAdY4VwWNAfVw

[clever sluice]

🙏 ty haven't crafted anything yet I'll get on that next

[balmy condor]

get a trinket

[bronze dune]

get the rep gear

[young dust]

np, now's the time to use the weathered crests, they'll be worthless next week

[frosty vigil]

any low cost ones for this first week? since the authority of the Depths drops on the raid and from a satchel and its pretty expensive right now for enchanting blue gear

[uncut dragon]

upgrade your gear and its purple

[safe shale]

my sim shows x1 artistry and x1 storms atm

if i avoid depths

[young dust]

radiant power and storm are decent, I'm simming 800k with double storms

[frosty vigil]

tyall

[quasi stump]

did they fix the assassination bugs yet

[safe shale]

no

[bronze dune]

theres no assassination bugs

just happy little accidents

[quasi stump]

indie devs

[proud yacht]

sin feeling pretty slow in this gear. 47 apm

[subtle drift]

Question

[bronze dune]

sins the slowest spec

by far

[balmy condor]

that's how the spec is intended to be yes

[subtle drift]

Embellishments
Rune-Branded Armbands Rune-Branded Armbands and Rune-Branded Waistband Rune-Branded Waistband are your two slots for Embellishments this expansion. Make sure you're putting Dawnthread Lining Dawnthread Lining onto both of them

This is recommende din the guide

But for Raid on the new wow head article other is recommended

[quartz halo]

Do we craft tomorrow?

[safe shale]

I like the slowness actually

Feels nice being much more direct and planning over reactive gameplay

[young dust]

you can focus on more important matters than 5 outlaw procs with low gcd

[quasi stump]

i like the slowness

im just

[safe shale]

Is this a bug? its literally telling my no enchant is better than artistry 3 on my main hand xD

[quasi stump]

really not into the current playstyle where I have to open with ambush

[safe shale]

bruh its 1 time

xD

[bronze dune]

whats wrong with ambush

[safe shale]

you press ambush 1 time

once

[proud yacht]

or just play fatebound

[quasi stump]

i knowww im just used to the DF Flow of opening with garrote

its weird

[young dust]

i hate it in m+ where you lose your stealth for some reason and youre trying to ambush like a moron

[safe shale]

you still basically do

[dim yacht]

except when you dont get the buff, because you dont get the buff after an enemy dies if you kill it with a 7cp envenom

[safe shale]

you ambush, garrote xd

[quasi stump]

that does really suck LMAO

[balmy condor]

they fixed that last week

[dim yacht]

oh

my bad. thank fuck

[safe shale]

Yeah that works

[quasi stump]

but they still didnt fix the echoing reprimand issue

[dim yacht]

is there an up to date bug list whispyr? i saw one in pins, but the link is broken

[heavy locust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

AGAIN?

[bronze dune]

anyone else get pre-raid nerves first week of raid?

[balmy condor]

fuck discord man

holy shit

I just updated that link like 3 days ago

[dim yacht]

😂

[balmy condor]

what an awful piece of software

I fucking hate this app

[young dust]

@balmy condor do we have any boss-related tips for rogues?

[indigo mulch]

I wonder why they would build one of the most used gaming app in electron, who thought that would be a good idea.

Maybe its better these days but electron just sucks.

[young dust]

tell that to riot games as well

[earnest remnant]

dont die, keep dots up

[safe shale]

probably wasnt intended to be THE gaming app

[young dust]

dogshit client running on electrone

[indigo mulch]

All electrone does is slow everything down and hog way to much memory for no good reason

[balmy condor]

dont die, keep dots up

[safe shale]

solid advice

[earnest remnant]

thief

[young dust]

and ignore mechanics with cloak, got it

[uncut dragon]

Stand in melee range of boss

[safe shale]

pickpocket boss pre fight for rare 1mil enchants

[young dust]

[bronze dune]

cant wait to constantly be out of range because they changed acrobatic strikes and im still not used ot it 🙃

[hearty reef]

Didnt play prepatch?

[young dust]

i mean the first boss where you give him food for example, can you shadowstep with it?

[bronze dune]

jumped back in first day of EA

[earnest remnant]

nerd

[gray hazel]

We moving away from the crit above 80% embelishmwnt now?

[safe shale]

im tired keep responding to the wrong stuff, gn

fkin 4am in rogue discord wtf am i doing

[bronze dune]

would you want to be anywhere else?

[young dust]

its your PMS

[uncut dragon]

I always like testing cloak in raid to see if it works on a mechanic and finding out it doesn't and hoping cheat death will save me so I don't look slow.

[old oyster]

ascendance sims better but possible it gets nerfed elemental one is also good all pretty close

[young dust]

premythic syndrome

[proud yacht]

if we take improved poisons over improved garrote for the VV build, do we even use vanish anymore ever? build doesnt use shrouded either

[dim yacht]

the real reason for cheath death is to hide the fact that you fucked up

so everybody thinks youre good and dont actually get hit by shit

[uncut dragon]

that assumes I can keep my fuckups to 1 every 5 minutes

[potent dawn]

If only Stealthi gave as good advice as Whispyr

[young dust]

way better than being a pally and hearing "why didn't you bubble"

[bronze dune]

yeah but if you die as a rogue, it means you fucked up twice

[dim yacht]

i did have a ret pally friend of mine die in a key in bfa during s3, to one of those shadow spirits (idr the name) that does pulsing aoe that got stronger. their lay on hands and bubble were both off cd

and they blamed the healer

[young dust]

nono thats on healer

just gotta lie confidently

[dim yacht]

and if you face pull and die, its the tanks fault for not getting enough threat

[gray hazel]

Were there updates for sims? Or to the embelishments

[uncut dragon]

With cloak and evasion usually more than twice

[waxen thunder]

Is there a reason to craft embellishments tomorrow or wait until mythic week

[eager vigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[kindred elm]

Roll mech gnome for a small additional save 😉

[uneven plume]

what stat pot should i use for raid

[uncut dragon]

Some things aren't worth a death save

[young dust]

flask alchemical chaos and tempered potion

[uneven plume]

ty

and we can still use buzzing rune rights

or should i use mana oil

[young dust]

haven't seen how big the difference is to be honest

[craggy haven]

Might ask a dumb question here . I am running my sin on some dummies to reaquaint myself with raid builds. My bleeds are rolling. and I am eventually running out of energy around 2-3 mins. is this normal?

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[craggy haven]

Thankyou so much. Ily lol

[indigo mulch]

hot.

[uncut dragon]

Can we !opener

[manic thicket]

Is it a good idea to macro Crimson Vial with Healthstone?

Unless they share the same gcd but I don't think they do?

[balmy condor]

why would you want that

[sturdy radish]

that... seems like overkill and a bad waste of energy

[waxen thunder]

When you have 6 combo points, and you need the 7th to bring back the mark, do you just eat the overflow combo point generation or try to get there with less loss of combo points

[manic thicket]

Sort of like an emergency button? shrugs

[uncut dragon]

maybe macro crimson vial to hearthstone

[balmy condor]

if you're on 6 with darkest night you mutilate in single target and fok in aoe

[indigo mulch]

All the lost CPs!

[waxen thunder]

Perfect thats what I thought

[indigo mulch]

I land on 6CP way to often 😢

[manic thicket]

Maybe I didn't say that right but this is what I had in mind

[kindred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/shots-ouch-frosty-snowman-night-gif-12945625

[manic thicket]

Would this be a pointless macro or

[balmy condor]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[loud trench]

are people taking reverberation vs resonding clarity since the mark isnt procing off ER?

or just taking CB

[proud yacht]

if we take improved poisons over improved garrote for the VV build, do we even use vanish anymore ever? it sims higher for me and the top DS sim on Fuu's sheet does this too. build doesnt use shrouded either.

[manic thicket]

I see, thanks

[indigo mulch]

2/2 letahlity and no RC

[kind talon]

how many spark fragments yall got? i just have 1 full spark. my buddy has an extra half piece. maybe cuz i havent finished campaign?

[wind falcon]

@balmy condor IIR back in the day it was important to stay above 50% energy (for sanguine) and maintaining your envenom buff during single target. is that still vital?

[gray hazel]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[young dust]

full spark and a half

[acoustic roost]

haven't finished campaign? what have you been doing the last 3 weeks? lol. Yeah you should have 1 and a half now

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[wind falcon]

so pooling isn't a thing for Deathstalker, gotcha

[severe sparrow]

i forget, can you usually do dungeon quests in m0's or should i just knock these out tonight?

[uneven plume]

id id about 20 sims and trading in for haste for some stats was like a 1-2k dps increase

i think im just gonna stick to 10% haste with current gear lmao

[proud yacht]

how does whispyr stay sane getting pinged 24/7?

[hasty gate]

so i just did dps practice and got out dps by i guy focusing rupture sang.
and i did alot of caustic dmg
is rupture sang better

[indigo mulch]

Cute you think hes sane.

😄

[young dust]

how do you do that @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I imagine seeing the lights behind each one of your eyes going out as I choke you to death for asking the same 5 questions on loop for the last 3 months

and that usually makes me feel better

[indigo mulch]

Like i said.

[severe sparrow]

how many eyes do you think we have?

[uncut dragon]

ima just do what I saw in whispyrs video and macro cold blood to envenom, follow the opener he has a pictogram of while using his talent setup, and pace myself to keep envenom up and energy over 50 for as much of the fight as I can and hope for the best.

[proud yacht]

idk what kind of mechanic he is but that also seems like a job that could drive someone insane depending on the customers

[bronze dune]

@balmy condor do i need to restealth before every pull? 👀

[indigo mulch]

@balmy condor is assassination good?

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't cold blood before consuming edge case

[acoustic roost]

if playing fatebound

[uncut dragon]

yep doing fatebound since it seems less fiddly and no bugs going against it.

[bronze dune]

non-ironically tho, rogue has, hands down, the best discord

[indigo mulch]

The rogue TC is by far the best TC

[wicked zodiac]

you guys have rotation for fatebound ?

[balmy condor]

read a guide

[keen rover]

Any news on crafting recently or waiting for tomorrow?

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[uncut dragon]

Whatch a whispyr video...

[bronze dune]

whats the benefit behind waiting to craft? is it just to see what pieces you need to fill after m0s?

[uneven plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kDB168mhqpCrJ3spW3Yd9k

Should this be higher or seems about right

[gray hazel]

It is kind of annoying to have two different embellishments for M+ raid. DF spoiled me

[keen rover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[loud trench]

the urge to just be lazy in heroic week and stay fatebound vs DS....

[proud yacht]

drop resounding clarity for second point in lethality. improved poisons sims higher for me than improved garrote

[uneven plume]

idk i just copied whatever was off of wowhead

ill give it a go

[proud yacht]

I used the deathstalker ST build off fuu's sheet and it sims highest for me

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jolly bolt]

where is that sheet?

[fleet pagoda]

dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

[proud yacht]

directly above your message

[uneven plume]

is that ST?

[uneven plume]

Are you like 592 Ilvl lmaoo

[runic hinge]

this is like 1.25% difference?!

[indigo mulch]

[proud yacht]

tight spender is 1% ahead for me in that build

[loud trench]

587

[balmy condor]

oh wtf why does it have imp ambush

[uneven plume]

how are you simming 70k higher than me O.o

[bronze dune]

trinkets?

you have bis but only at 580

[balmy condor]

wait no we're talking single target I double baited myself that's correct

[uneven plume]

me?

[proud yacht]

hmmm tight spender is higher for me in ST, maybe it gets beat out at high ilvl

[balmy condor]

possible

[bronze dune]

yeah, im running your sim again to see if max trinkets change it much

[loud trench]

so keep imp ambush and not tight spender? now i am baited

[balmy condor]

I mean you do whatever sims higher for you

but the guide is correct

[loud trench]

true

[proud yacht]

and never vanish? cuz it doesnt take imp garrote or shrouded?

[bronze dune]

@uneven plume https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9473reZmU29ButU82xRdMA

[balmy condor]

you vanish to reapply the mark

[uneven plume]

yah i dont got that much crests lmaooo

but damn trinkets are OP

ty for sim

[balmy condor]

just have 120 crests man

very simple

[bronze dune]

yeah the guide does say to upgrade trinkets first usually

[balmy condor]

crafting gear is more crest efficient

which is what everyone did kinda

cause it's 30 crests for a 590 crafted

[uneven plume]

i have 120 carved ones

but i cant get to them with only 15 weathered

[balmy condor]

and 45 for a 590 trinket

[uneven plume]

xD

[balmy condor]

just way too expensive

[rotund oak]

how much gain is the tier set? 2p-4p?

[bronze dune]

damn i didnt craft anything except sparks

i fugged it

[rotund oak]

gmorning btw 🙂

[balmy condor]

like 1.2% each

[balmy condor]

wait, EXCEPT sparks?

[rotund oak]

all the love in the world

[balmy condor]

surely you mean you crafted everything except sparks

[bronze dune]

yeah i crafted the spark boots

[balmy condor]

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

what are we doing

[bronze dune]

failing

miserably

im still simming high tho, thats all that matters right!!??

[indigo mulch]

This actually doesn't look all to bad by mr tettles.

[slate crown]

Thrilling and exciting gameplay

[indigo mulch]

But why.

[balmy condor]

my brainrot queen fr

[kindred elm]

In order for some to have pink parses many must have green parses. His sacrifice will be remembered

[static glacier]

the bait and switch comment is dumb imo

[balmy condor]

wait

no

[indigo mulch]

?

Bait and switch is insane o.O

[balmy condor]

oh he edited it after I yelled

thank god

you should've seen the first draft of that

[indigo mulch]

That bad?

[static glacier]

good sure, best ever is ridiculous

[balmy condor]

bait and switch is dumb op

but yes

tettles is based

(I told him to fix a couple things)

[indigo mulch]

Now i'm curious what hte first draft was LMAO

[static glacier]

3 min 20% magic dr isn't bad

[whole sand]

oh we saw it

[static glacier]

but it's far from the best defensive hero talent node ingame

[acoustic roost]

I'm guessing that the stealth comment wasn't there XD

[whole sand]

that we need restealths and that you couldn't reapply DSmark

[waxen oyster]

which one is

smoke for trickster being a flat 5% dr looks very nice too

[balmy condor]

The stealth comment was that rogues need stealth for the mark

But I talked him through it

And he was like yeah okay these complainers are just gaslighting me

[wicked zodiac]

guys witch hero talents is better for sin ?

[balmy condor]

And then edited it

[waxen oyster]

hahahahahaha

[whole sand]

lool

[indigo mulch]

lmao, i think thats common for most non-rogue players and newer rogue players though. To think they do need to stealth after each pack.

[fleet pagoda]

balance druid reporting on rogues gaslighting. we've fallen so far

[earnest remnant]

based af

fuck them "muh stealths"

[balmy condor]

Assa rogues literally begging their tanks to make the key go slower

Fucking idiots

[hollow gyro]

feels like an incredibly stupid question but with dashing scoundrel is there a need to vanish during the kingsbane window?

[balmy condor]

No

[indigo mulch]

To be fair, you can generally re-stealth everynow and then.

[uneven plume]

holy shit the serum is poppin from the WQ

[balmy condor]

Dashing doesn’t interact with kb

[old oyster]

!plater

[indigo mulch]

its not like you go through the entire dungeon in combat.

[balmy condor]

Most times*

[uneven plume]

like a 6k dps increase

[whole sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[hollow gyro]

because I can read my talents i didnt think so but ty :]

[balmy condor]

If only you could teach others to read their talents

What a gifted individual you are

[bronze dune]

it does feel nice not having to tab through targets to spread bleeds tho

[hollow gyro]

[strange python]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[balmy condor]

Guess what buddy

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

We have a command for that too

[indigo mulch]

I can't wait to be able to use my cooldowns on packs.

KB works so great in hc.

[hollow gyro]

my sim doesnt send fan to consume clear the witness... is that accurate?

[indigo mulch]

you put up KB and the mob dies in 2s.

Big ramps

[spice spire]

if you run vv then yeah it's accurate

[uneven plume]

thoughts on

[long hinge]

have you already used your spark or embs are still under tuning ?

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i'm nto sure how i'm going to be able to sustain all the consumables when mythic starts D:

They are so expensive atm

[bronze dune]

this is only if i can re-stealth right? if im cant, then im tab targetting like a pleb

[spice spire]

Wax pickpocket far

[indigo mulch]

a flask is 6.5k

[spice spire]

Lmfao

[indigo mulch]

pot is like 3.5k whetstone is 4k

[spice spire]

Going flaskless absolutely not

[indigo mulch]

My gold!

[whole sand]

only 25k a raid night

[spice spire]

Dog I’m raiding pisslow rn

ain’t doing that

[fleet pagoda]

DF flasks

[indigo mulch]

but like you use like 25~40 buff pots every night ;o

[whole sand]

what about your auggie runes too

[spice spire]

Nah guild is doing cauldron

[willow cloud]

It is hilarious to have read the posts when they first hit, think "wtf? Are they really this over the hill and out of touch for things like 'dps VERY reliant on re-stealthing, then seeing this'. Thanks for being on top of rogue community stuff.

[spice spire]

Arsenic angle

[whole sand]

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah then you’re tabbing, but that’s totally fine

[balmy condor]

Doing what I can

[bronze dune]

Yeah I have to get used to it, just a learning thing

[balmy condor]

Brother

[indigo mulch]

114.200g per night if you fully buff without rune. 😐

if you use 40 pots per night

[earnest remnant]

just have your guild pay for it?

[indigo mulch]

annnd thats not counting all the m+ you will be doing that needs flasks and pots :C

[fleet pagoda]

this upcoming week? for m0's?

[spice spire]

For me

Amazed you know the callback

[indigo mulch]

I highly doubt anyone will buff pot m0's ;o

unless you wanna show your e-peen on the dps meters lmao

[balmy condor]

You’re surprised I read mod chat?

[spice spire]

Oh was it in mod chat?

[whole sand]

that was a whole thing

[spice spire]

Pal I’m not green anymore

[balmy condor]

Seli muted in assa dog

Surprised you don’t know the callback

Tf

[spice spire]

Ik I was there

[fleet pagoda]

so that's another whole week of people gaining knowledge to better mutlicraft consumes and bots poppin' off flooding the ah with mats

[spice spire]

Wild interaction tbh

[balmy condor]

You know seli muted but you didn’t think it was in mod chat?

[spice spire]

Not the whole story

[severe sparrow]

top quality content to read while waiting for the elevator at work tbh

[spice spire]

He muted on a uh

Riskier post

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Man was wildin tho ngl was impressive

[earnest remnant]

the fuck you two on about?

[spice spire]

Nothing, kitten Dw about it

[earnest remnant]

boi do i look like a fucking cat?

[spice spire]

Raccoons are close enough

[earnest remnant]

damn nice sky rat you got there quake

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m sky ratting ur pops rn

[haughty lantern]

[earnest remnant]

seagulls and dogs same thing right?

[spice spire]

Wait

Seagulls are sky rats

And not fucking BATS

WHAT

[earnest remnant]

yes?

[whole sand]

[spice spire]

Dog HUH

Also dogs don’t have wings

At least my comparison were both quadrupeds

Actually are raccoons like. True quadrupeds? Or are they both? I’ve seen the two legged scurry. Hmm. Time to investigate

[indigo mulch]

Everything on the internet must be true. Here is a dog with wings.

[keen spruce]

pigeons are sky rats

bats are sky cats

[indigo mulch]

no bats are sky doggos. For sure.

[earnest remnant]

ok sky frog

[spice spire]

That looks AI as fuck

Or am I cooked

[indigo mulch]

100% ai.

lol

[whole sand]

ye its ai

[spice spire]

[whole sand]

unless its got 2 tails

[keen spruce]

duckfrog

[woeful wigeon]

Nice chat to go to bed ☆

[earnest remnant]

next you gonna tell me the stories of Sun wukong arent real stories

[spice spire]

Also raccoons are limited bipeds apparently because they can be bipedal

My apologies

[indigo mulch]

Bro, bats are lowkey super cutes btw. 😦

[earnest remnant]

so are jaguars

[spice spire]

All mythology could be true mister stealthi

[earnest remnant]

doesent mean you should touch it

[spice spire]

The jaguar is just a little guy tho

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure mfer didn't have an extending stick

[indigo mulch]

look at that, it looks like a sky doggo

[keen spruce]

bats not stinky

they just big rabies vector

just get your 4-6 shots then all gud

[spice spire]

Yeah I wouldn’t touch w wild bat to save my life

[keen spruce]

raccoons also big rabies vector tho

[spice spire]

Zoo bat (haha Pokémon) or pets

[keen spruce]

so no one touch stealthi

[earnest remnant]

if no friend

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty sure they don't want to be touched either. No worries.

[earnest remnant]

then why friend shaped?

[spice spire]

Too late bud

I just bought a carton of eggs

[keen spruce]

maybe rabies was the friend all along

[spice spire]

[whole sand]

i thought they didn't get rabies or was that a myth

[spice spire]

Opossums innit

[whole sand]

ahh

the better one

:>

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure i transmit other diseases

[keen spruce]

that's possums ye

possums very clean actually

[indigo mulch]

[keen spruce]

they just looks like a creature out of beetlejuice

[indigo mulch]

I find them rather adorable.

:X

[earnest remnant]

like coolness, handsomeness, basedness, social anxiety etc

[keen spruce]

we used to have them at the zoo when i worked there

they very chill

they're like weird cat rats

[indigo mulch]

It started out so well..

[spice spire]

Anything domesticated I’ll fuck with. Feral animals get tricky

[earnest remnant]

im gonna go pet the mountain lion

[keen spruce]

well the zoo possums were raised there

[spice spire]

Tried to domesticate a feral cat for two years

[earnest remnant]

and you cannot stop me

[spice spire]

Because it was cute

[spice spire]

Bud I’m joining

[earnest remnant]

if i see a tiger

and people expect me

[spice spire]

Pros: cute cat might be friendly - or I’ll die either way.
Cons: none

[rotund oak]

im bringing the beers

[earnest remnant]

to not go up to and pet it?

im not scared of tigers

for a very simple reason

[rotund oak]

good neither are them

[earnest remnant]

tigers have eyes looking formation of fur on the back of their ears

to deter predators to attack it from behind

so im not scared of tigers really

[rotund oak]

yup 100%

[earnest remnant]

im just scared of what ever the fuck wants to attack it

[rotund oak]

and also very cool

thats also some deeply driven concern for their future

[keen spruce]

u mean the white fur on the back of their ears?

[rotund oak]

🫶

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

yeh

with a black spot

looks like eyes

but what the fuck typa animal is tryna hunt tigers???????

u seen those fuckers

they are ripped af

[keen spruce]

i donno if that's what those are for

[spice spire]

Tigers get hella protein

[keen spruce]

maybe they just peacocking

lady tigers think white spots are for qts only

[earnest remnant]

google never lies

the tiktok animal guy told me so as well

[keen spruce]

yeah but they not sure either

[earnest remnant]

also did you know

[keen spruce]

that would be very cute if they evolved fuckin headlamps for the babies to follow them around

[earnest remnant]

that the intro for MGM films

[rotund oak]

fun fact,giant bears and crocs where the alpha predators when tigers where at their peak.Maybe its an evolutionary trait that survived as non-lethal trait through the generations

[earnest remnant]

is not actually the sound of a lion?

[keen spruce]

yeah they couldn't get that one to do it cuz he was so tame

[earnest remnant]

its a tiger roar

same with like lion roars in cartoons

[rotund oak]

tigers and lions didnt exist in the same environment 😛

[earnest remnant]

they aint from lions

they just yoinked tiger roars

cuz it sounds better

[rotund oak]

sounds like blizzard

[keen spruce]

lions sound more like the mix between a hippo and a bear

[earnest remnant]

yes

[keen spruce]

very goofy sounding

[earnest remnant]

Tigers are fucking loud xD

[keen spruce]

u know cheetahs meow and purr like house cats

[earnest remnant]

yes

[rotund oak]

depends the environment as well

[earnest remnant]

they are also inbred af

[rotund oak]

everything that comes out of the vocal cords

[earnest remnant]

they are cats that cannot cat

actual L animal

Jaguars are the goat cat

[keen spruce]

apex predator sounds like a stuffed animal

[earnest remnant]

fucking wild what they can do

[keen spruce]

jaguars are and mountain lions are terrifying

[rotund oak]

mountain lions dont rly exist now,most of them where killed

guess who's to blame

[keen spruce]

jags just hauling off a caiman twice it's size out of the river

[earnest remnant]

(After crushing its skull)

[keen spruce]

They're commonish in california

[rotund oak]

mountain lions

in CA?

common as well?

what are u guys doing in the west

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean hikers get chaseda round all the time by them

and they kinda just follow you for like several miles hissing at you

then they either try to eat you or the hiker has a gun

or they get bored

[rotund oak]

we prolly dont speak for the same lions though

but ye

those are kittens compared to the real thing

[earnest remnant]

well it would be a cougar

[keen spruce]

yeah we use cougar and mountain lion interchangably here

[rotund oak]

im down getting hissed from cougars

they know what they want

[keen spruce]

they're still like 140lbs tho

[rotund oak]

yup yup

cats are always dangerous

[spice spire]

Maybe u do but I’d never call ur mom a mountain Lion

(I’m so sorry)

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

also

[rotund oak]

😂

[earnest remnant]

black panther is a made up animal name

[keen spruce]

just a color variation

for jaguars and leopards

panthers aren't real

[earnest remnant]

yup

[keen spruce]

another L for Carolina

[earnest remnant]

what would you rather fight

[spice spire]

Buddy they have too many

[earnest remnant]

Jaguar or leopard

[spice spire]

Leopard

[keen spruce]

answer pretty much always not jaguar

for most matchups

[spice spire]

Of cats jaguar is like right before tiger for me on shit I’d never want to 1v1

[earnest remnant]

id rather fight a jaguar than a tiger

[keen spruce]

i mean leopard also would not be a fun day

[spice spire]

Yeah same

I’m saying it’s like

[earnest remnant]

Tigers are some vindictive assholes

[keen spruce]

leopards max out around 70 lbs though so maybe if you just get lucky and kick it hard enough

[spice spire]

Jaguar > tiger = lion

[keen spruce]

it might die

or run away

[earnest remnant]

they will hunt you down

for many many miles

[spice spire]

Cheetahs aso in mix of

I don’t wanna fuck with it

[keen spruce]

tigers salty af fr fr

[earnest remnant]

cheetah is just an inbred house cat

climb a tree

and you are good

[keen spruce]

cheetas also much smaller than you'd expect

[rotund oak]

its an evolutionary path for hunting faster prey and surviving

[spice spire]

Yeah but they’re fast as fuck boy

[earnest remnant]

they cant climb tho

[keen spruce]

just don't run then their advantage nullified

[rotund oak]

cats like cheetahs killed and ate the early hominids

and some big birds as well

[earnest remnant]

Tiger is like the ultimate cat

[fresh python]

yo am i kinda weird that i think deathstalker is kinda fun

[earnest remnant]

the fuckin story of the guy that got hunted down by a tiger for over like 100km

he must have pissed him off good

[rotund oak]

it is very fun,for pvp especially

it claps dem butchicks

[fresh python]

It doesn't do a ton but I like the little changes it makes me make

But I haven't played Sin since bone spike thing was added so maybe thats carrying

[rotund oak]

DN mark evisc is scary

im talking about sub though

sin isnt rly a thing for competitive pvp anyway

sub is the king now

[earnest remnant]

pvp

[rotund oak]

[slow hatch]

!spark

[honest mantle]

anyone know where the hidden rogue quest is?

[rotund oak]

not yet

keep it

[keen spruce]

damn chat back on topic

[balmy condor]

In the inn in the ringing deeps

[honest mantle]

thanks

[honest mantle]

is teh wax viable for raid?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grand trail]

!pool

[novel horizon]

So, I'm looking on wowhead and it's saying craft the bracers and belt again and embellish them, I'll have 2 590 sparks

[grand trail]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[honest mantle]

does it work besides whetstone? or does it replace it

[balmy condor]

Replace

It’s around equal

[proud yacht]

If I’m running VV with no improved garrote or shrouded, would it be a dps increase to get the DN buff then vanish ambush to get mark back or is that too convoluted?

[balmy condor]

Yes

That is the rotation with that

[wicked lynx]

[proud yacht]

Sick, thanks

[rotund oak]

those arent naps though,its hibernation

[wicked lynx]

longest ive ever sleept is 27 hours after 2 days awake and being sick

so 17 is a reasonable nap

[torpid lion]

anyone got the numbers on bubbling wax vs da whetstones

[rotund oak]

somehting like 0.25% iirc

but we go 1 whetstone and 1 wax

if im not mistaken

[torpid lion]

does it matter which where?

[sharp wadi]

doesn't work on OH apparently

[storm stone]

I think someone said that wax doesnt proc in off hand

[rotund oak]

yup

[torpid lion]

so wax mh whetstone offhand

for raid and m+

[sharp wadi]

correct

wax also lasts 2h

good deal

[rotund oak]

farmed like 140 yday

will last me for some time

[sharp wadi]

[rotund oak]

its not that hard to farm them

[sharp wadi]

i know

i did 60

still tedious

[rotund oak]

ah yeah

[sharp wadi]

and 140 is a lot of time xd

not time invested but time buffed

[rotund oak]

i just went sub and pp and killed everything afterwards

yeah true

it was like 2 hours str8

[torpid lion]

im just glad i learned about it before raid tmrw

[rotund oak]

or like less

like 1 and a half

[uneven plume]

wtf is wax

[rotund oak]

bubbling wax

[sharp wadi]

we waxing

[uneven plume]

is it AH accessible?

[sharp wadi]

#outlaw message

[rotund oak]

no its farmable though

[uneven plume]

i see

time to farm i guess

[rotund oak]

via pickpocketing rats

[sharp wadi]

quick little rogue only quest chain

then you can pick pocket

[uneven plume]

where you get the questt

found it

😄

[sharp wadi]

shadowmeld will make it so we effectively have a second vanish for our aoe bleeds huh

[rotund oak]

no

its unreliable

[honest mantle]

vers flask v chaos?

[rotund oak]

sim urself friend

[sharp wadi]

i see

[split grail]

Quick question regarding crafted gear. Wowhead says belt and bracers shuold be crafted but the bis list says a raid belt is bis. Is this an oversight

[rotund oak]

was under the impressions its wrist+boots

the crafting slots that is

dont think it matters that much though,should sim urself and find ur truth

[balmy condor]

The overall list or the raid list?

The raid list is only raid drops

If it’s the overall list it should be a crafted belt

I can fix that when I get home

[narrow bluff]

which spec is best for nerub palace?

[split grail]

overall

[rotund oak]

[thorn crater]

so the wax shit is farmable you just run around and dig up holes?

[storm stone]

Pickpocket kobolds

[rotund oak]

no u steal from rats

[split grail]

Thank you for your service 🫡

[thorn crater]

huh ok

we use that for m+ too right

[torpid lion]

that wax shit should be a pin frfr

everyone hearin bout it

[thorn crater]

time to go kobol hunting

when i got the first one i was under the impression its nothing of value rly

[rotund oak]

its on sub pins

[thorn crater]

just a random boost thing not better

[torpid lion]

man no one plays sub

only weridos

[rotund oak]

playing rogue is being weirdo

[brisk plank]

Is it good idea to bind thistle tea together with shiv? I love to pop it manually when in need but sometimes I forgot to pop it during kingsbane, and as Im saving both shiv charges for kingsbane that way I would cover the kingsbane windows

[storm stone]

I want to play sub but my brain doesnt

[split grail]

Joining in a little late to the convo. So BiS is wax on MH and whetstone on OH?

[rotund oak]

yup

[thorn crater]

i remember trying to learn the sub opener in DF and spending hours in front of dummies

esp the aoe one

my brain just would not click

was one of the reasons i quit lol

[spark rain]

Are we really not playing improved garrot?

in raid

[balmy condor]

You can

It’s technically better in raw single target

If you can cleave improved garrotes on stuff it’s probably worse

[brisk plank]

@balmy condor what do you think about this?

[balmy condor]

No

[sharp wadi]

why do i have 2 socketed belts before i got the trinket..

[bleak plume]

@balmy condor

[icy girder]

how much of a dps loss will oils be?

[junior isle]

so on pure ST fights, when we don’t take improved garrote. No point in vanishing during rotation I would presume.

[icy girder]

instead of whetstones

[balmy condor]

I fixed this last a week and a half ago

Why is it back

[spark rain]

ahh ok thx

[bleak plume]

Good question

😁

[magic dust]

maybe vanish to reapply mark i guess

faster then building 7 cp

[balmy condor]

It’s 1% better in single target

So like

You have to be REALLY sure you’re getting value

[junior isle]

Well, wouldn’t need to reapply the mark cuz of darkest night

[balmy condor]

Vanish to reapply mark while darkest night is up

Is the play

[junior isle]

Ahh okay

[bleak plume]

How far behind is fatebound to deathstalker in single target?

[balmy condor]

0

[sharp wadi]

I saw wax for me on wowhead like an hour ago

[uneven plume]

waxin good for ST?

or just M+

[bleak plume]

Might be scaling but right now fatebound slaps in dungeons

[junior isle]

Makes sense Preciate that I’m going to sleep good night folks and thanks for all the help

[jolly heath]

wait what, I just checked apl, we CT in single target now?

[balmy condor]

With deathstalker and no vicious yeah

[spark rain]

BTW is it possible to make a Clear the Witness wa

I forget that its up

[bleak plume]

When a few days ago I asked people if using CT in single target was worth it, I was indirectly called stupid

[balmy condor]

I mean

It is fucking stupid

It’s the dumbest shit

I have ever seen

[jolly heath]

I guess if they nerf CT after heroic week, it won't be a thing anymore lol

[bleak plume]

And they said that there's Sims to prove that it doesn't work

Ofc noone could link me the sims

Funny

[slate crown]

Yes the buff is a very simple buff on you, you can use the WA templates in the New Aura option in Weakauras and it will take you through the steps

[slow helm]

What is CT again

[spark rain]

Dope thx

[sharp wadi]

Crimson Tempest

[slow helm]

Ahh

[zinc frost]

Based - let’s get them to put MFD in again so we can have sepulcher rotation again

[balmy condor]

Aight we did good today

Raid tomorrow

Easy peasy

[brisk plank]

which build are you going with for the raid tomorrow?

[junior isle]

They released talent builds for every boss on wowhead today

And every m+

[storm stone]

Are they any different?

I thought whishpyr just copied the same for every1

[junior isle]

Yeah some fights take caustic some don’t

He has descriptions with each boss on what to take and why

[storm stone]

but in m+?

raid makes sense

[junior isle]

Oh I didn’t look thru those yet I just saw they were up lol

I got raid first, then m+ I’ll check em out

I’m sure they are all the same but idk I haven checked em out. I’m curious at what level keys sudden demise becomes ineffective

[ebon steppe]

Like, we'll use ct in raid st build？

[shy pecan]

Not exactly something to be happy about. I mean, do you really want to be pressing CT in single target?

[oak eagle]

were you just hitting strikes? bros a pro

[shy pecan]

Damn, number 2?

[balmy condor]

Yes sir #2

[spark rain]

Why do you wanna reapply mark when DN is up?

damage stack?

[tawny shell]

Is assa just ahead of sub on ST until we get 4pc? or just 2pc?

[balmy condor]

If you apply a stack and then consume darkest night the darkest night doesn’t reapply 3 stacks

So you get a free stack

And more uptime

[clever sapphire]

Mfd gang rise up (dont think there is anyone in the gang )

[spark rain]

ahhh ok

[clever sapphire]

Do you have aimbot? How did the valve anti cheat not trigger

[bronze dune]

all of m+ is the same it seems

[balmy condor]

My arm is aimbot

[clever sapphire]

Well there really wont be m+ builds for different dungeons, no reason to

[storm mortar]

hi, what is nearby?

[balmy condor]

All that jacking off has turned me into a bowling god

[balmy condor]

10 yards I believe

[slate crown]

Ngl I have been playing mostly trickster sub lately and have not been paying attention. Just noticed imp garrote is gone from the ST build it’s dead you did it

[clever sapphire]

Guess i didnt do it enough, cause i suck at bowling

[bronze dune]

i know that, but wowhead lists 8 different builds. i was just clarifying that theyre all identical

[clever sapphire]

Ah thats probably because whispyr has to put up builds

[bronze dune]

yeah i figured

i just thought id double check

[clever sapphire]

Fair enough

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/after-pokemon-go-community-weekend-pointing-gif-13003512

[novel horizon]

Doesn't whisper give the good cooks tho?

[bronze dune]

will bowling make me a better rogue?

something something wrist control

[balmy condor]

Honestly I’m more impressed you called out wrist control cause most people are like forearm/bicep pilled

[balmy condor]

What did I cook

3 monsters and microwaved chicken nuggets

[novel horizon]

All the rogue stuff I think?

But the microwave is the devil

[bronze dune]

i only say that because every time i bowl i only make it through 1 and a half rounds before my wrist gives up

[clever sapphire]

Well of course, dont you just pick up the bowling ball and throw it in there like its dodgeball? Where the wrist in there

[thorn crater]

sometinig i dont uunderstand about the 4p

does it NEED the cT

or is it just also affect it

like, is is like the system shock essentially that it requires all of the named spells?

[balmy condor]

Affect it

It’s just a buff you have

If you have the buff, it buffs all the shit it says

[thorn crater]

but that would mean that wth the 4p ct becomes perma part of rotation on all situations no?

that iis whhat yyou meant with ct in ST before?

[balmy condor]

No

It definitely enables it

But it’s just cringe dungeon build optimization

[bleak plume]

Yes I like pressing CT in single target

Gives me more things to uptime rather than spam mutilate and envenom

[shy pecan]

You do you.

[robust axle]

@balmy condor We flipping coins tomorrow?

[hearty galleon]

just checked the wowhead raid builds, you dont run improved garrote in single target? insted two points of Viscious venoms?

[sinful mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
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LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[terse orchid]

Wait, does this mean we use vanish differently now?

[balmy condor]

I’ll probably start with deathstalker and see what the vibe is

[balmy condor]

Correct

[tawdry sedge]

Imma ask a stupid question, since i am not that much into pve. In the scenario where the tank chain pulls packs of 3-5 mobs, as an assa rogue playing deathstalker you ambush one of the enemies in the first group, then proceed to spread bleeds, once you have 4-5 bleeding targets, do you target the one with deathmark again and start spamming shivs, dm, kb and envenoms or whatever target is in front of you?

[robust axle]

According to Fuu's sims, Fatebound seems marginally ahead, but you seem to believe otherwise on your WoWhead guide @balmy condor - You still think DS is gonna be more damage I guess?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound just very rng and doesn’t have funnel and has worse mobility and worse defensives

[hearty galleon]

But the single targer opener (with viscious venoms) still uses vanish for improved garrote - guess its not all updated yet

[balmy condor]

I need to make a new one for it yeah

(It’s the same opener but with ambush instead of garrote)

[soft merlin]

DS has a lot of bugs, could be the reason

[balmy condor]

Idk about a lot

[tawdry sedge]

will i get an answer?

no?

fine

i will play outlaw then

[balmy condor]

It’s really only 2 that end up being impactful in any way

[brisk plank]

what do we use vanish with then with 2x vicious venoms in st raid ?

[soft merlin]

This

[brisk plank]

so we go ambush despite having mark/capstone up?

[balmy condor]

You just vanish to reapply mark during capstone

[silk bane]

you vanish ambush when darkest night is up to apply the marks (instead of building normally). -> 1) incrases uptime on hunt them down. 2) accelerates working throuh marks by 1

ah i was yappin whispyr was fast

[brisk plank]

gotcha, and how big difference in dps is it compared to improved gar if mr whisp has numbers?

[silk bane]

u dont have improve garrote with vv builds tho

[desert cove]

so shouldn't the opener have changed then b/c for st you would be finishing on 4cp for rupture

[hearty galleon]

the ST build before was both (i think), just 1 point in venoms

[desert cove]

unless you get a seal fate proc

current rotation

[balmy condor]

Uno por ciento

[balmy condor]

Don’t remind me that this needs an imp gar toggler I’m going to lose my marbles

[desert cove]

lol

[silk bane]

pretending like he hasnt lost em alrady

ok

[balmy condor]

MY MARBLES

[desert cove]

could you at least put up a rotation vid or something, if it's changing before raid I'd like to know it

[balmy condor]

It hasn’t changed

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-hook-marbles-peter-pan-gif-26382418

[fallen moss]

so are we saying line 13 changes? after vanish we dont hit garrote, hit ambush instead?

[balmy condor]

It’s literally just apply mark instead of imp gar

[terse orchid]

sick Hook reference

[desert cove]

ooooh

[balmy condor]

If the target doesn’t have mark

Ambush

This is the whole change

Nothing else

That’s it

[desert cove]

so you use the DN proc with the mark already on

[balmy condor]

Yes

[desert cove]

ah now I see with the point of accelerating your mark stuff and increasing hunt uptime

[balmy condor]

Yes

[paper flower]

hi whispyr ❤️

[desert cove]

and then aoe is unchanged from current opener / rotation stuff

[bleak plume]

does playing nelf actually let you restealth mid-fight via shadowmeld

[desert cove]

no

[bleak plume]

in m+

[desert cove]

not on bosses, maybe on trash?

I don't remember

[bleak plume]

or do dots get you back in combat instantly

[desert cove]

I'm not a filthy alliance player /s

[storm stone]

drop the /s

[balmy condor]

Hello

[bleak plume]

it should work on trash but getting in combat is very spaghetti coding when you have dots running

[balmy condor]

On trash if you don’t take any damage you can stealth yeah

But you get knocked out of meld if you have a dot or take any damage

Or move too close to something

Or sneeze

[bleak plume]

But dots on mobs make them go into combat with you no? Like if you wipe e.g and have dots running, you enter and leave combat all the time from afar

[past forum]

or if the vibes just aint right

[balmy condor]

Meld is like vanish

Except worse

In every imaginable way

[bleak plume]

yeah but vanish has inbuilt stealth in it

[balmy condor]

Ye

[bleak plume]

shadowmeld needs you to have enough time out of combat to click stealth after

[balmy condor]

Well kinda

It’s like 1 second

[bleak plume]

but if you have 40 dots ticking on a big aoe pack

and you shadowmeld

and some dot hits 0.001sec after shadowmeld and gets you in combat

[past forum]

so without imp garrote, you do/dont hold 2nd dm for 2nd vanish?

[bleak plume]

just considering if its worth raceswapping to nelf for m+ instead of void elf

[terse orchid]

Nah may as well just go dracthyr

[bleak plume]

not gonna lie also appealing

visage form is bae

[desert cove]

I'm going dracthyr b/c dragons are cool

end of story

[fallen moss]

which bosses we taking CS? Rashanan, Ovinax?

[desert cove]

any boss that has adds

seems like

[fallen moss]

I feel like the adds on Ulgrax are not worth.. could be wrong

[robust axle]

@balmy condor Is your Silken Court build supposed to have a point in Resounding Clarity?

[dense talon]

Todays dumb question as I learn assassin : Can we spend the duration of kingsbane and deathmark spreading rupture? or I should activate Kingsbane only after ensuring that there are 5 ruptured targets?

[robust axle]

Ensure 5 ruptured targets

[loud light]

if you're using kingsbane, ideally you're staying on that target for autoattacks and getting some envenoms out to get enough poison procs on the kingsbane target

[wicked lynx]

[strange python]

so if we raiding we good to send it on dagger and patch tommorow? i highly doubt there will be more tuning till next week

[dense talon]

another question: Its easy to spread rupture to 5 targets coming out of stealth and once they are done, the next time i apply rupture to 5 targets, it almost takes me 20 secs to generate enough combo points for rupturing 5 targets. By the time I complete, the first ruptured target again needs to be ruptured. Is this a common occurrence or am I just slow? I am assuming that i dont have vanish.

[robust axle]

I highly doubt dagger+patch stays as is

[flat sentinel]

its poo for m+ though as the buffs roll off

[silk bane]

its a dot spec. thats what u do. at most worst case scenario ever should only take u like 15 gcds to get 5 rupures out from 0 ruptures out

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what you're talking about babe your eyes must be deceiving you I would never do that

honestly I think you're making things up

[silk bane]

and most o the times, if you have decent enough crit, itll be a lot faster

[balmy condor]

I've never even heard of that word, what was it?

"gaslighting" you said?

I don't think that's a real word

[wicked lynx]

this whispyr guy sounds like he's speaking some truth right now

can we trust him

[robust axle]

Well I thought I saw RC on your builds for Rasha+last two - guess I didnt lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah idk what you're talking about

that would never happen

I'm always correct

never made a mistake in my life

[wicked lynx]

[robust axle]

Got you!

[blissful spire]

is it worth to upgrade our veteran gear rn?

[sharp wadi]

use weathered as much as you want

carved probably better to save

[cerulean walrus]

His marbles!

[blissful spire]

cool thx ❤️

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/misket-dusmek-kaymak-gif-12652677

[drifting basin]

I saw the rwf guys upgrade the pieces from renown to 606

[dense talon]

Thank you.

[sharp wadi]

RWF guys don't necessarily play the same game we do

[terse orchid]

rwf guys are working on a different timeline and with a different goal

they don't clear the raid with absolute bis gear

[sharp wadi]

that being said, spending them might not be bad

[drifting basin]

606 is not gonna be bis for anyone when clearing the raid

[dense talon]

is it again going to be 2 way race between liquid and echo?

[balmy condor]

more splits

[sharp wadi]

it's just that it makes more sense not to

[balmy condor]

when in doubt, add another split

[drifting basin]

I sent to 606 too, all that gear is getting replaced when m+ comes out either way

[terse orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jean-claude-van-damme-split-volvo-trucks-gif-15143582

[oak eagle]

probably unless method can make it interesting

[balmy condor]

method guys got banned too

[sharp wadi]

xd

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