assassination

[proud mason]

I was debating switching kriss ER KB for ambush ambush ambush

[spice spire]

Yea

[haughty lantern]

and i should be using my main 3 cooldowns (Shiv, Kingsbane, and Deathmark) ON cooldown yeah? so a shiv every 30 sec, a KB every minute, then full send Deathmark trinket KB shiv combo every 2 minutes?

[vivid crown]

shiv last 8s i fyou're only using 1 charge

[whole sand]

shiv is always inisde kingsbane

unless we're talking about some AoE AP build here and i missed the memo

if you're running 2 shivs you cover the entire kingsbane, if you're running 1 shiv you cover the last 8 seconds

so if you're running 1, you would sit on its cd and wait for kingsbane

[distant plover]

and wait for second vanish so you get full improved garrote during DM right?

but its like 5-6 secs or something

[whole sand]

you vanish should be lined up with DM to some degree

[distant plover]

or maybe im just vanishing too late during opener nvm

[whole sand]

but honestly imp garrote seems to be a dps loss so i'm not even vanishing anymore, i'm saving it for windows where i fuck up my DSmark

[distant plover]

mhm gotcha

probably a good idea day one anyway

[robust axle]

How is Imp Garrote a damage loss for you?

[past forum]

You vanish for imp garrote. I vanish cause I somehow let Darkest Night drop and need to reapply Mark. We are not the same.

[distant plover]

classic

[whole sand]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9hZnMaetREnyYEHXFe7Kz4

i'm running this instead rn

[cerulean nest]

based and real

[robust axle]

Weirdge

[cerulean nest]

I can see us literally having to hold vanish for that on certain bosses with immune phases

[whole sand]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qd37ZFFd9zvZyFTCqSSrAV

that's with (sim was wrong, but its about 100dps difference)

[cerulean nest]

ulgrax, maybe silken court

[haughty lantern]

MAINLY i've just been running around with this build in world content and heroics and i'm STILL getting stonks results

but i'm mainly just trying to wrap my head around more of the intricacies of sin rogue so i can perform better tomorrow night

[tired gull]

best part about cold blood, is just pressing it while standing around so you have glowy hand

[clever perch]

So what gems are we using?

[whole sand]

all of them

[haughty lantern]

i thought

yeah, 1 of each

[clever perch]

1 of each gem?

[whole sand]

whatever your sim says

[proud mason]

Should i add back health value on nameplates ? coming from a shadow priest it was important for me to know which mobs had the biggest health pool for psychic link, is it important too for assa or is health % good enough ?

[whole sand]

yes

[tired gull]

i like seeing the hp numbers, personally

[whole sand]

you always want to know which has the biggest pool to spatter

[novel star]

if spatter target doesn’t survive your kingsbane

[whole sand]

sad

[novel star]

your aoe burst is shit

[whole sand]

big sad

[haughty lantern]

vigorously taking notes

[mellow rivet]

can any1 tell me why ironclaw whetstone is so freaking expensive? 😅

[tired gull]

new expansion

[whole sand]

they need nulls i think

[haughty lantern]

this

[clever perch]

yea but which meta gem we using? cuz i saw people using the speed one

[lyric cypress]

do you guys just send echoing reprimand on cd or sync it with kingsbane

[haughty lantern]

it's an argument of pure dps focus vs utility

[tired gull]

cd

[haughty lantern]

b/c that much bonus movespeed is nothing to scoff at

[clever perch]

gems can be mast + crit, mast + haste, mast + vers etc...?

[haughty lantern]

vs idk how much dps like....0.75% extra crit damage does

[clever perch]

or has to be different

[haughty lantern]

no, you need one of each color

[clever perch]

okok

[haughty lantern]

so like

crit mast (ruby)

mast crit (onyx)

haste mast (emerald)

vers crit (sapphire)

stam crit (amber)

[mellow rivet]

i saw it in a video. but what do we get from that?

[haughty lantern]

the meta gems give main stat + (effect per color of gem socketed)

so like the crit one gives 0.15% crit damage TIMES the amount of different color gems you have

if you just have 2 gems (the diamond and say a ruby) you get 0.15% extra crit damage

but if you have all 5 colors you get 0.75% extra crit damage (0.15% x 5)

[mellow rivet]

i c. is that effect stated somewhere ingame?

[haughty lantern]

the speed one is useful b/c afaik, aside from sprint and shadowstep, sin rogue doesn't have a ton of mobility

[haughty lantern]

yes, on the blasphemite itself

[royal mango]

am I missing something with this Sacbrood trinket? its 593 and the 584 whistle is consistently outperforming it for me

[haughty lantern]

i wonder if the diamond itself is included in that

[mellow rivet]

ah, thanks man

[tired gull]

i think not since it explicitly calls out color maybe

[robust axle]

Sacbrood just aint that great for Assasination

[waxen oyster]

look at the stat buff

[tired gull]

I see you're a fellow conductor's wax whistle enthusiast as well

[whole sand]

is that the minecart trinket?

[haughty lantern]

i.....huh???

[royal mango]

its listed as S-Tier in Whispyr's guide

[haughty lantern]

is it not one of our best trinkets???

[tired gull]

hah yep

[whole sand]

does everyone still see the minecart? that thing is great

[haughty lantern]

not to mention of all the m+ trinkets, only sacbrood and skardyn's simmed well for me. all the others were "bad"

[waxen oyster]

it gives you a stacking agi buff

[tired gull]

afaik, everyone always comments from my guild when we do a heroic

[haughty lantern]

yes they do and it's fuckin hilarious every time

[robust axle]

I have 3 trinkets that sim higher, atm, personally

[waxen oyster]

the damage isnt the strong part

[whole sand]

lmao

[mellow rivet]

this damage is just the damage from the effect "... inflicting nature damage" but it doesnt consider the agility right

[haughty lantern]

afaik damage is just icing on the cake. free spider bros

[royal mango]

thanks, I didnt think about that cos im le big dumb

[waxen oyster]

like having 6 stacks of the buff

[royal mango]

yeah I totally forgot about the stacking agi lol

no wonder it looks like its not performing

[tired gull]

Shurrai wb spawn when

[haughty lantern]

in extended combat (think raid boss), the stacks last like...what, 30 seconds? a minute? AND THEY OVERLAP

is there a limit? b/c if not, we going to the moon with this one

[subtle drift]

To get Deathstalker right

Every 3rd Envenom is full Combo Points right?

[left mauve]

Does the fuu list gear too?

[robust axle]

Yes

[royal mango]

thanks for the help, much love

but also yes, minecarts are fun

[haughty lantern]

i want an addon/wa

that adds a fuckin car horn to the minecart whenever it careens in

[royal mango]

neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeowwwwwwww

[tired gull]

train choo chooooo

[haughty lantern]

NO NO

GIVE ME THE ASDF "I LIKE TRAINS" SOUNDBYTE

oh my god

[shell lodge]

Are there any sims between the three specs at the moment? Or consensus on which one to focus on for this raid tier

[tired gull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tired gull]

has the sims...

but just play what you like really

sims don't tell the whole story

[haughty lantern]

from my turboshitter perspective

Assassin is the go to current "good" rogue spec (and just in general, as it does ALL the fucking damage)

Outlaw typically does really well when there's constant cleave to be had

and tbh i have no idea what subtlety is doing

[shell lodge]

Sims say outlaw bis but I feel like it’s bait

[robust axle]

Assasination is probably gonna be the go-to m+ spec

[shell lodge]

It loses a lot of dmg if boss phase or u have downtime no?

[haughty lantern]

afaik, outlaw ALWAYS oversims

[robust axle]

I wouldnt be surprised if Sub outperform Sin in raid purely down to fights and CD timings

[shell lodge]

Yeah I can see assa being bis in m+ bc of singular focus being opop

Just was wondering if ppl found something better for raid

[whole sand]

mage

[tired gull]

my guild is not pushing for anything crazy, so i'll be sticking with sin through raid

[robust axle]

I actually kinda like the DS Sub playstyle, kinda cozy

[shell lodge]

YEP

[haughty lantern]

we'll never see it coming...

[whole sand]

i've been fucking around with sub today and its pretty chill

[violet jackal]

How?

Don’t they still have 8 cooldown v buttons

[drifting basin]

is there any sweet on-use trinket to get while we await skardyn from m+?

[whole sand]

not really

[drifting basin]

any knowers

[spice spire]

Signet from priory

[arctic socket]

Signet + egg

[spice spire]

That’s about it

[waxen oyster]

candle from weekly boxes

[tired gull]

serum does pretty well.. it's just awkward cause 1.5s cast

[waxen oyster]

isnt bad if you have lower haste

[haughty lantern]

signet from priory, the candle or imperfect serum from world stuff if you're lucky

[arctic socket]

Signet pretty goated go with that

[haughty lantern]

priory trinket is probably the go to tho. it's certainly not bad. it's basically the new mirror

[arctic socket]

Doesn’t those have a cast time?

[waxen oyster]

its like 5k haste on a 2min cd

[tired gull]

i've gotten 4 serums

[spice spire]

I love cast trinkets

[drifting basin]

oh signet seems pretty good

[proud mason]

anyone knows what the red marker is for on the energy bar (LE rogue WA) ?

[spice spire]

I am a puzzlebox enjoyer

What can I say

[arctic socket]

You’re weird

[spice spire]

@slate crown

[haughty lantern]

tbh i HATE cast trinkets, but you cannot deny their strength

[violet jackal]

How do sleep saying that 😡

[spice spire]

(I don’t know so I summoned the knower)

[cerulean maple]

is it true that every warr spec is boring bc iw as thinking of trying fury

[spice spire]

Awful big words there big dog

[haughty lantern]

fury gives you carpel tunnel

[waxen oyster]

Idk i think its fun

[spice spire]

Simple

I don’t slee

[cerulean maple]

is fury like enh shaman

[proud mason]

i avoided pinging in case anyone else knew

[slate crown]

It's the current pooling condition

It's ok @spice spire 's my homie

[waxen oyster]

fury is fast

[cerulean maple]

^ how is that coded? or jsut marker at specific energy

[waxen oyster]

its just not outlaw fast

[arctic socket]

@slate crown is your pfp a cat or a sticky boi? (Hedgehog)

[somber nimbus]

isnt fury braindead?

[arctic socket]

Nvm

[cerulean maple]

that looks like kity

[indigo mulch]

LOL

[slate crown]

It is just based on current pooling recs based on deathstalker/fatebound/VV

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[waxen oyster]

sin isnt much harder

[spice spire]

I love Lisonna. She’s literally the most helpful person here not blue haired and doesn’t mind helping with any/all questions.

[waxen oyster]

lets not kid ourselves

[slate crown]

Oh I guess the command doesn't have the deathstalker breakdown like before

[spice spire]

Very lovely person

[arctic socket]

What’s wrong with blue hair

[slate crown]

Do you know what color my hair is?

[spice spire]

Whispyr is the de facto most helpful person here

[somber nimbus]

you can say that about any class once you know how to play the class well

[spice spire]

Hard to beat that one

[spice spire]

I’m in your walls

[slate crown]

oh true true

[indigo mulch]

[somber nimbus]

but starting assassination isnt braindead, id say

[cerulean maple]

im gna say urple

[arctic socket]

What color walls?

[indigo mulch]

In some countries thats considered illegal.

[drifting basin]

comparing sin to fury is some crazy stuff

[indigo mulch]

and slightly creepy.

[spice spire]

White actually

[slate crown]

Tick marker, placement value modified in conditions based on talents

[spice spire]

(I’m colorblind)

[spice spire]

Only slightly?

[cerulean maple]

ah cool!

[proud mason]

So you stay under 50% sanguine blades doesn't proc and you save energy for envenoms ?

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, its like top5 atleast.

[waxen oyster]

neither is hard

[slate crown]

You can code tick placements to be dynamic but it can be a pain, KB timeline does it, envenom pandemic bar does it

[waxen oyster]

sin is the easiest of the 3 rogue specs

[drifting basin]

have u tried playing fury just wondering

[waxen oyster]

yes

[whole sand]

if you're playing DS you don't really take sanguine

[slate crown]

Yes. Technically you pool to ~40% if you use sanguine, if you don't and you use VV instead, you barely pool and only pool to 25%, that's waht my tick markers pivot on

[drifting basin]

how long did it take u to learn fury

[arctic socket]

Sub seems easier

[waxen oyster]

its an easier version of outlaw

[indigo mulch]

[drifting basin]

sus

[waxen oyster]

i’ve alted warrior

[somber nimbus]

lol

[waxen oyster]

since bfa

so

[somber nimbus]

asssassination isnt easier to play than outlaw

[cerulean maple]

outlaw is def more dynamic

[waxen oyster]

it 100% is

especially for st

[cerulean maple]

ass has a lot of little things to optimize but i would say for st it's so so so muc heasier

[proud mason]

sorry what's VV ? and this is specifically for when you're doing ST with a sanguine blade build, like a m+ boss right ?

[somber nimbus]

i guess we all have dif opinions, assa seems more involved in aoe

[arctic socket]

Playing outlaw correctly to its fullest potential is definitely more difficult then sin

[cerulean maple]

aoe imo is much harder

[spice spire]

Different degrees of difficulty

[severe kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeyphobic-gif-22824269

Outlaw players

[spice spire]

Really sin is just learning about rules and following them and then learning their exceptions and acting on that

Outlaws and fury difficulty is just apm

[mint urchin]

Outlaw before the change to crack shot is one of the most punishing jobs to mess up on

[drifting basin]

fury is purely apm and click button that lights up

[cerulean maple]

gw2 elementalist would like a word

[violet jackal]

Assassination is a very methodical line of work

[waxen oyster]

dust outlaw

was harder than any spec rn

[cerulean maple]

dust?

[drifting basin]

at this point i would rank fury as the easiest specc in the game, more so than bm hunters and frost dks

[indigo mulch]

I think playing assassination is extremly easy but i find it prettyhard to min-max it. I'm just horrible at pooling ;s

[waxen oyster]

in SL you could play outlaw with shadowdust

and mfd

[arctic socket]

I miss mfd

[indigo mulch]

I don't.

[robust axle]

You barely pool tbh

[indigo mulch]

pool/envenom uptime.

[waxen oyster]

IC makes multidotting for sin extremely simple.

[obtuse vale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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[indigo mulch]

I just want to slam things 😦

[violet jackal]

Marked for death can stay in PvP never again to pve please

[worldly sail]

dust venthyr outlaw

[robust axle]

I know

[arctic socket]

It was cool in pve though

[spice spire]

Old

[waxen oyster]

you mean prepatch?

[spice spire]

Sl was 26 years ago

[cerulean maple]

i miss wotlk :(

actually p much every spec was so much easier in wotlk

maybe i dont miss it

[worldly sail]

yeah, i came back during that time and was just gigablasting the apm

[waxen oyster]

that was peak fun

[spice spire]

9.3 outlaw was peak degen

[waxen oyster]

thats after they made fth talent

[indigo mulch]

Your concept of time never ceases to amaze me.

[waxen oyster]

which was blunderbussy but better

[slate crown]

Vicious Venoms, it's the build that you typically take in Raid.

[spice spire]

Time is an illusion

[somber nimbus]

i mean not all specs can be complex, you need some for the kids

huehue

[waxen oyster]

bm hunter

ret pally

frost dk

[indigo mulch]

[waxen oyster]

if you want to make frost unappealing to the casuals

make breath build the best

[cerulean maple]

what are some relatively complex fast classes besides outlaw and enh shaman?

[waxen oyster]

then they all quit in droves

[robust axle]

Fury

[cerulean maple]

this chat would disagree apparently

[spice spire]

Oh I got it

Prot Pally

[somber nimbus]

fury is spammy, not complex

[cerulean maple]

prot pally is so braindead ajkgsbgjke

[somber nimbus]

sooo

[cerulean maple]

i love it tho

[waxen oyster]

havoc is more complex than fury

[drifting basin]

isnt monk kinda difficult and fast

[waxen oyster]

[spice spire]

Oh yeah they got rid of a few things

Idk current iteration monk so I can’t say

[zinc frost]

It’s pretty easy at the moment

[indigo mulch]

Monk was actually pretty hard to play back a couple of patches ago D:

[cerulean maple]

i didnt like monk last time i tried

[waxen oyster]

the real complexity of havoc is not dashing and getting yourself killed

[main urchin]

is it a big dps loss to drop Thistle tea ?

[waxen oyster]

with bad positioning

[cerulean maple]

i would imagine since mastery for kb but idk in current patch

u could always just sim it

[mint urchin]

Monk feels really good right now imo

[drifting basin]

survival hunters got some complexity back this xpac, which makes it kinda fun and dynamic

and its kinda fast

[main urchin]

Monk feels fantastic, i agree

[drifting basin]

not outlaw/ench fast, but kinda

[cerulean maple]

bozo uestion but what weps do surv hunter use

[sand lantern]

does arterial precision double stack with improved shiv or just spread it around?

[drifting basin]

2h agi

[cerulean maple]

👁️

do ihave to make a hunter.,,..,,

[drifting basin]

lule

[cerulean maple]

i must resist.

[waxen oyster]

most havocs i run into

are really bad tbh

[gusty lichen]

hypothetically lets say its tomorrow and im looking to craft my embellishments. what are we taking rn if things dont change anymore?

[drifting basin]

wrist boots

with dawn linen thingy

[waxen oyster]

darkmoon sigil ascension is the best if no nerfbat

with nerubian embellish on other slot

[cobalt sphinx]

But has 80 second ramp so not universally applicable

[cerulean maple]

controversial question but did outlaw get harder or easier compared to during df?

or did they not change it much

i heard its haste dpendent now or sm

[robust axle]

Everyone ready to flip coins tomorrow/wednesday?

[waxen oyster]

easier

s1 df outlaw was braindead easy

[mint urchin]

s3 outlaw was amazing

[cerulean maple]

i played mostly s4

[orchid cedar]

one question, on Training Dummy sims from raidbots

Zoldycks doesn't activate right?

[cerulean maple]

what ab sub
im thinking of trying a diff spec but i always just end up gravitating towards assa anyway

[waxen oyster]

Imagine not already flipping coins

[cobalt sphinx]

Are you saying df was easier? Or it’s easier now

[waxen oyster]

well sub is moving away from spreadsheet dust so easier

but s1/2 sub were braindead

[waxen oyster]

df outlaw before crackshot was easy

[mint urchin]

Isn't current Outlaw just s3 but worse? Lol

No acro and no roll tier set

[waxen oyster]

2 vanish charges punishes you less for having bte on cd

[cerulean maple]

i always forget how much they change specs every fkn season

[waxen oyster]

technically

[mint urchin]

Also no shadow dance

[whole sand]

correct, dummy stays at 100%

[drifting basin]

thank god for no sd

[waxen oyster]

yeah 2 vanish charges is arguably easier

[drifting basin]

that shit is just not fun

[waxen oyster]

if you fuck up

[cerulean maple]

i kinda love that sd is gone but i just got used to pressing it every minute and it was fun :(

[main urchin]

why the fuck would they make this talent go against Tricks of the trade ????

[pure moth]

Tricks is kinda pointless

[mint urchin]

Well isn't 2 vanish just better, sd wasn't on outlaw Dr right?

So it's just a buff

[normal mist]

Tricks as almost 0 value

[main urchin]

really ? i have always had the habit of tricksing my tank on cd

[spice spire]

I was actually called out for not Tricksing

[royal lantern]

ikr

tricks is ussules and that talent is busted

[normal mist]

Who did it? WHO?

[cerulean maple]

someone who last played during wotlk for sur

[royal lantern]

it was a prot pala

100%

its always prot paladins or guardian druids

[spice spire]

Some tank

Did too much dam

[whole sand]

classic

[scarlet spade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

OP

[normal mist]

[waxen oyster]

dance was on outlaw cdr

in df beta

[tired gull]

I miss trading tricks with another rogue for the dam buff

[waxen oyster]

can guess why it got removed

[royal lantern]

cus they noticed "wait, this is fucking stupid"

[grave sandal]

sanguine vs VV? (ST)

[whole sand]

yes

[strange python]

Hey guys i just came back to WoW. Last time i played was during Shadowlands. I used to be able to download these amazing TMW profiles that had a countdown for rupture garrote and such and i can't find any. I do see some more Weakauras profile and i imported some but its all messed up with icons going over each other and i just can't get it right. i was wondering if any sin rogue here has a nice profile they could share with me. i've been struggling for 6-7 hours atleast

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[waxen oyster]

+dreadblades+stronger tb+ shorter cd kir

[royal lantern]

any of these

[waxen oyster]

very common to run around with 50+ seconds of 4-6 buffs

[strange python]

Which one for PvP?

[waxen oyster]

on df beta

[whole sand]

sanguine for coin, VV for DS

[cerulean maple]

what the

[normal mist]

#pvp

[waxen oyster]

cto was not nerfed yet

you had a very high chance to grab another buff during SD

and you had more cdr from tb

so you’d amass multiple buffs with cto in sd and then kir them

[cerulean maple]

wrong emote im so sad

[cerulean maple]

[waxen oyster]

yeah some smart person didnt realize dreadblades having cdr

was a problem

finish dreadblades with tb rolling—-cd is back again

[strange cargo]

we enchanting authority of radiance on our daggers for raid?

[crisp junco]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[zenith prairie]

Are there going to be catalyst this season?

[finite yarrow]

yes

[willow cloud]

Yes, 1 charge first week

[strong wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

He’s based

[blissful cosmos]

do we got to pool for kingsbane or do we just try and make tea get us threw it

and hope for blindside procs?

[tired gull]

does anyone have a working @mouseover then @target shadowstep macro that works for friendlies and foes

[finite yarrow]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead][@target,exists,nodead] Shadowstep

[spice spire]

Ty

[tired gull]

sick thanks

[bitter saddle]

From my understanding pool so you have enough when it comes off cd but idk for sure I’m still learning

[proud mason]

There's no way to have a single cast sequence macro for both of these right ?

not sure what's the best way to dip my dagger tips

[cerulean maple]

im p sure if you make a macro casting both itll just do whichever is slotted

right??

[proud mason]

a /cast macro yes but not castsequence

it'll break

[cerulean maple]

oh thats out of my wheelhouse nvm 🫡

[jaunty basin]

hey guys im still a little confused on which fatebound talent to use for raid and which fate bound is better for mplus can someone explain it to me thanks

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Builds in all guides are best

[tired gull]

I figured it out /castsequence [known: Atrophic Poison] Atrophic Poison, Crippling Poison, Amplifying Poison, Deadly Poison; [known: Numbing Poison] Numbing Poison, Crippling Poison, Amplifying Poison, Deadly Poison
kind of annoying you have to duplicate everything, but it works

[cerulean maple]

goat

[balmy condor]

What the hell is that

[distant plinth]

Did anyone else got banned for rhe exploit or?

[spice spire]

Man can just download a poison weak aura

[proud mason]

did you make this just now ?

[cerulean maple]

exploit??

[tired gull]

yes

[spice spire]

Cast sequencing poisons

[balmy condor]

Big ban wave yeah

[somber nimbus]

what exploit

[strange cargo]

exploit?

[cyan karma]

I don’t get it? You apply it and it’s good for an hour…

[distant plinth]

Didnt i read it here? Cruella got banned livestream?

[spice spire]

Gingi did too

[haughty flicker]

a bunch did

[cobalt sphinx]

Rip bozos

[haughty flicker]

very funny stuff

[distant plinth]

No wonder, i was wondering how those boys got so high renown with them

[hidden inlet]

Did they buff tempest in tww? Just realized the aoe loss of skipping tempest is considerably higher now

[balmy condor]

Hella

[distant plinth]

Sad they dont ban all their accounts. They will play on wfr anyways

[balmy condor]

Also no envenom tier set doubling envenoms damage

[hidden inlet]

Oh right that and maybe the kingsbane nerf also mattered

[strange cargo]

i still spam evenom and complain about my energy pool right?

[waxen oyster]

kb nerf means less spatter damage yes

[hidden inlet]

I kinda remember myself doing a bunch of sims and decided to just drop tempest for more st in m+

[balmy condor]

Was kinda dumb back then too ngl

But now it’s awful yeah

[hidden inlet]

The preparation was too long, didn't want to make that even longer for minimal aoe gain

[vast finch]

do you think with new talent in 11.0.5 we will burst with double nvenom?

[balmy condor]

It’s possible

It’s not really game breaking change either way

If it’s good, our burst will be a bit stronger

If it’s bad, we just don’t run it and it’s whatever

[limber lion]

But at least we're getting some attention to TTK, which is dope.

[haughty lantern]

does anyone have a guide (or just general instruction) on the best way to use my restored coffer keys once higher level delves open up tomorrow?

[limber lion]

That shit's been dead for so long

[vast finch]

i wonder do we still have no rogue dev guy

some changes are meh,like autotea lol

[limber lion]

I mean, I think stuff like a flat 3% aura buff is more meh than the changes we got recently

Even if the numbers don't change

At least it changes something within the spec/talents

[hidden inlet]

My biggest problem with tww is the nerf of heroic and m+ gears
The spec changes are mostly okay ish

[proud mason]

unlock delves 4 to 8 but don't do bountiful delves, when you're at 8 do a bountiful delve and pop a key at the end

[vapid terrace]

Do t4 t5 t6 t7 then t8 bountiful 4x a day

[cobalt sphinx]

Open one in t8, run the radiant echo (in a group?), run the other 3 on t8

[haughty lantern]

so only spend keys on t8 (or higher?) delves?

[grand basin]

which hero talent we are supposed to play in raid rn ? with deathstalker and echoing reprimand interactions being bugged is fatebound the play ? or still deathstalker is better even with the bugs ?

[cobalt sphinx]

4 per day

[vast finch]

i think that repremand doesn't consume endless night buff even on ptr is even more meh

like cmon,fix it already

[haughty lantern]

any reason why 4 per day??

[cobalt sphinx]

That’s the max

4 bountiful delves available on the map per day afaik

[limber lion]

Deathstalker is still better numerically

If you play it flawlessly

But people have had issues with marks in previous tests

And if you struggle with them in the raid, it instantly loses a lot of its value

Fatebound is a safe pick

They're pretty close anyways

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[grand basin]

i see

[haughty lantern]

oh so if you're absolutely speedrunning gear upgrades it's 4 max per day, but i assume other than that there is no pressing reason to speed run 4 a day?

[hidden inlet]

I like how hero talents shuffle rotations but I feel like ds isn't doing it in an interesting way

[haughty lantern]

why tier 8? what drops at tier 8 as opposed to lower tiers? (i've done like 0 research on this myself)

[tired gull]

yeah, just to spend your keys as fast as possible

tier 8 gives the maximum ilvl gear

lower tiers give lower ilvl

[hazy violet]

yo guys can someone tell me how there's people selling siphoning stiletto profession plans on the AH without having access to the raid

shit wrong channel i'm so sorry

[cobalt sphinx]

600 acuity bags give raid recipes sometimes

[haughty lantern]

assuming tier 8 is even doable (prepare for and expect the worst)

[hazy violet]

how so

[slate crown]

Because it's on the loot table of the bags

[cobalt sphinx]

buy bag and open it and sometimes there is a recipe insdie

[slate crown]

it just can

[hazy violet]

oh my god

[slate crown]

it's rare

and hard to get, but give sweaty players the opportunity

and they'll get it

[hazy violet]

so let's say i craft an ignition satchel for my BS, when he gets it in mail there will be a rightclick to open option, just because, and there might be goodies inside?

[cobalt sphinx]

i think people are running t8s in 585 gear on the ptr already

[vast finch]

i'ts either you get raid recipe or sink 600 acuity

[slate crown]

It's the bags from the vendor, not the NPC order bags

[hazy violet]

ohhhh

the ones on the last page

[slate crown]

Yes

[hazy violet]

gotcha, thank you for the info

[pine lagoon]

Assassination rogues must use two daggers but can equip fist weapons, bows, one-handed axes, maces, and swords.
Am I being dense and missing something, I can't see any talent/spell that requires daggers?

[slate crown]

Mutilate

[waxen oyster]

mutilate

[limber lion]

It's almost always the main generator of the spec

The thing that decides what weapons to use

[pine lagoon]

Huh, that just says melee range on my tooltip, thanks

[primal blaze]

How are sims for ST for us ?

[limber lion]

Not great

[waxen oyster]

I got 800k last week for the recipe for binding of binding.

[limber lion]

Big bucks

[waxen oyster]

was on a trash alt that just hit 80

and theater event was near over

[primal blaze]

which spec is toping sub?

[waxen oyster]

[limber lion]

Arcane Mage

:)

[upper wraith]

Bear

[primal blaze]

am talking about rogues

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Here's some sims for ya

[subtle tundra]

uhhhh ghhhhh you can never go wrong with sprinkles

[cobalt sphinx]

i think outlaw > sub > sin for sims

[subtle tundra]

caramel is really good too

chocolate chips are a staple for a reason

[limber lion]

More like Outlaw > Sub = Sin

[warm vortex]

What’s the garrot bot command again?

[limber lion]

What command?

Like what are you looking for?

[warm vortex]

The one that talks about how you don’t need pre pull stealth

[limber lion]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[limber lion]

This one?

[undone flame]

Is three an chance the our piece spark piece wil change after m+ com out?

[limber lion]

You never know what and when Blizzard tunes stuff

[feral merlin]

guys please, is the Maxroll BiS for assassination rogue up to date? I don't see the rare trinket from the rare as BiS https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/assassination-rogue-raid-guide

[cobalt sphinx]

they said they're looking at balance during heroic for tuning on the 17th

[royal lantern]

maxxroll is garbage

dont use that crap

[cyan karma]

Hey guys, noob question. How am I suppose to use shadowmeld effectively in my game play? I picked night elf for this reason after heaps of research… but I don’t really understand what’s so good about it? When stealth already has no cool down and I can actually move… 😅

[feral merlin]

hm, the rotation part is quite nice on the Maxroll guide, I don't know what to think

[limber lion]

!maxroll

[prisma monolith]

Maxroll's guides are currently facing large scale accusations of plagiarism, are clearly written with AI, and have questionable accuracy. They are not currently suggested as guides; hopefully this will change in the future

[limber lion]

You don't.

[manic thicket]

I need help understanding this talent. Explain to me like I'm 5 years old please... Appreciated, sorry

[limber lion]

Shadowmeld is a crutch that you might use if you want to get into stealth during combat but you cannot

[cyan karma]

Yeah I thought so lol, ty Ty

[undone flame]

Ah so wait til next week I wil probably ask one more when mythic + coms out just to make sure

[limber lion]

You press it, it deals damage and gives you 2 combo points.
After that one combo point will turn blue.
If you land on that combo point when generating CP, you can use a finisher and the finisher will do damage as if it's a 7CP finisher.

So if the third combo point is blue, you could mutilate once and possibly get to 3 cp. Then you use a finisher, which will consume the blue combo point, and do damage as if you did a 7cp finisher.

[royal lantern]

you use the ability

1 combo point (or 3 with the follow up talent) glows blue

if you use a finisher while sitting at the glowing CP, it gets consumed and the finisher counts as if you used 7CP for it

[slow trail]

can we make an aura for caustic splash on plater ? then we know witch mob focus

[limber lion]

Slow

Bald

[royal lantern]

phone

[limber lion]

Yes, all of the platers we have does that already

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[limber lion]

I feel it

[royal lantern]

not on my PC nerd

[tired gull]

bald accusations have been made, can we confirm/deny?

[limber lion]

I'm the slowest phone user in the world

Legit

I make so many typing errors on phone it actually infuriates me

[royal lantern]

nah, red-brown hair

[haughty flicker]

but is that hair on your head still

[feral merlin]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Use this instead

[kind lake]

Hey what are you all running as a second trink other than the sacbrood?

[undone flame]

Oh I might have to try those plates profiles when I get my pc can I preview them som whare?

[feral merlin]

yeah thx @limber lion !

[royal lantern]

yes

[limber lion]

By clicking them

And going to the page?

[tired gull]

i'm not even running sac

[limber lion]

There's pictures right there

[next parcel]

what's the best method of reapplying rupture after it runs out in aoe other than using vanish?

[limber lion]

By using FOK to build and then pressing Rupture

[tired gull]

tab/mouseover

[royal mango]

Minecart enjoyers unite

[royal lantern]

you press tab and press your rupture keybind

[tired gull]

[royal lantern]

you know, what we did for 19years

[fathom cove]

@cerulean nest you there mate? mind sending your ST raid sim?

[undone flame]

Oh my bad I were thinking it was gonna take me straight to download

[limber lion]

Yeye nono, goes to the wago page

[kind lake]

😮 what are you running?

[next parcel]

doesnt it only apply to one mob tho?

[limber lion]

Plater profiles are strings, not something you download

[royal lantern]

yes, ofc?

[limber lion]

Yes

And you do that multiple times

[next parcel]

okay

thank you

[tired gull]

minecart and serum

because that's all i've gotten

[whole sand]

sac is for the weak

[clever topaz]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[whole sand]

real players use candlestick

[waxen oyster]

why not both

[tired gull]

i want minecart + bee

[whole sand]

and crystal

[waxen oyster]

eww

crystal stinky

[whole sand]

actual hc meme build

[waxen oyster]

i have bee trinket too

[tired gull]

actual fun build

[cerulean nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZSegmSRcKYyCcsbXbTCcc

[grand trail]

do we know why fatebound pulled ahead of DS?

[whole sand]

holy shit an actual mechagnome

[shy marten]

if a mob is going to die soon should i not use my darkest night proc

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think scroll of momentum is even implemented 😦

[faint path]

waow did u spent that much money on weaponnn

[cerulean nest]

huh

its 590 crafted

[haughty lantern]

tbf you can forgo being a diaper baby with the new enchanting thingies

[limber lion]

Deathstalker is plastered with bugs.

[haughty lantern]

the glamors

[grand trail]

okay

[whole sand]

i need to see your full mog tho

[grand trail]

good enough thanks

[haughty lantern]

tbf we're fighting nerubians

bugs everywhere

[tired gull]

sapp light blue

[grand trail]

yes

[faint path]

I meant ench 😄

[tired gull]

you look better in red

[cerulean nest]

oh they werent that bad at the time I bought

[limber lion]

Wrong Sapp

[grand trail]

i play all specs buddy

[cerulean nest]

its whatever

[tired gull]

same

[limber lion]

There's 2 Sapp's

A red and a blue one

[tired gull]

🤯

[waxen oyster]

guy has 2 rank 2 radiant powers

but no embellishes

[grand trail]

nice opener with lucky coin thats what i like

after opener we use that CB whenevery ready or is there some rule

[cerulean nest]

?

[sour oasis]

When i see all rogue of echo/method

in sub

[cerulean nest]

not crafting them before I know how tuning is going

[sour oasis]

:/

[waxen oyster]

i mean they're kind of cheap

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah and you can replace them at any time

[waxen oyster]

Just was a curious thing because even rank 2 radiant power is like

17k

meanwhile dawnthread r2 is like sub 1

[limber lion]

No, we couldn't really find any gains for trying to use it optimally

[subtle tundra]

where?

[limber lion]

Just sending it on cd is the play

The most uses, the better

[cerulean nest]

youre assuming it was a cost thing for the embellishments. im waiting til tomorrow, then ill put them in

[arctic socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aEw8eF2yVqCTeYX2B4k2pb can someone with premium resim my stuff to see what enchants come up as the best please?

[waxen oyster]

I highly doubt they do embellish tuning on a tuesday

[grand trail]

okay cool

[velvet vault]

what emblishments should we use now ?

[grand trail]

it shame i cant really bind it like sub with sectech but w/e

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hxkXakDYUFna1S7z7CNWxj

[arctic socket]

ily

[velvet vault]

🥺

[limber lion]

Just note the sim uses Alchemical Chaos flask

So the results might change a bit compared to Vers flask

[arctic socket]

idk what that is

Oh the

flask

Yeah

that';s fine

[nova aspen]

100 wax farmed

rdy for tomorrow

[arctic socket]

weightstones sim better no?

[whole sand]

wax gang unite

[nova aspen]

yes but they are also over 3k each

for rank 1

[nova aspen]

wax free

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-meme-aggressive-gif-26375097

[tired gull]

Freemium bis

[pure moth]

There could still be tuning on embellishments fyi. So no real answer for you. Alot of people are just running dawn thread

[nova aspen]

i wont whip out any whetstones until high m+

next week a wax angle for me

[velvet vault]

i doubt between assension emblishment and focusing lenz

[arctic socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hxkXakDYUFna1S7z7CNWxj

835k wow

[limber lion]

Yup

[waxen oyster]

you bought depths 3

for 590s?

wild

[limber lion]

No

He asked me to sim

[crude nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[arctic socket]

i men

[waxen oyster]

well the mh is ok

[arctic socket]

mean*

[limber lion]

And I added 3's

[arctic socket]

i could

Gold isn't a issue

[waxen oyster]

I'll probably send r3 depths on wep if i use a spark on it

since it'll last anyway

[arctic socket]

How ever

140k

for a single enchant

[waxen oyster]

yeah crazy

[arctic socket]

Yeah i will throw one on my MH

[limber lion]

That's what Sophic Devo was like first week too

Probably even more

[waxen oyster]

yeah me on df launch

a few million gold poorer

[jaunty matrix]

should we craft a spark item now ?

[spice surge]

Idk enchants are about to crash hard

[jaunty matrix]

or wait until season 1

[spice surge]

Since theyre allowing shattering of blue crystals to dust

[waxen oyster]

confirmed?

[haughty flicker]

yes

they're working on hotfixing it now

https://www.wowhead.com/news/enchanting-hotfix-storm-dust-to-drop-from-shattering-gleaming-shards-346554?utm_source=discord-webhook

and no stupid ass titan orbs to drive up prices like sophic

[waxen oyster]

Lol you gave me ptsd

those orbs

[spice surge]

Tinderboxes are technically that

Theyre just not nearly as expensive

[haughty flicker]

tinderboxes are pretty close true

[inland escarp]

Higher rank delves are supposed to drop the tinderboxes though

[waxen oyster]

tinderbox was like

8k when i sold it

[haughty flicker]

but wax farming was dropping a decent number of them

so supply isnt quite as bad

[waxen oyster]

are we talking about the same tinderbox

[haughty flicker]

profaned tinderbox yeah

or w/e its called

[waxen oyster]

i think that one already drops from t3 delves

if its bountiful

gotten like 2

[inland escarp]

Supposed to be more common as you climb as well

[haughty lantern]

does anyone have any ideas/suggestions on the easiest delve to speed run from 4-8 to get to rank 8 bountiful delves??
or is it gonna be like fuckin choreghast where you gotta do each level of each delve....

[cobalt sphinx]

You do have to do each level

[tired gull]

But only once

[haughty lantern]

each level of each delve???

[tired gull]

No

Just level

[cobalt sphinx]

I think takrethan abyss in the south of the spider area is supposed to be fast

[haughty flicker]

this guy on reddit said it so its probably true

[tired gull]

If you unlock t8 on one delve, you get all delves

[haughty lantern]

this is what i was thinking

speedrun levels 4-7 on an easy one, then once level 8 is unlocked go to the bountiful ones

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah that should work

[sour oasis]

For the RWF

[haughty lantern]

THAT is what i was wondering

[sour oasis]

that doesnt matter to make your decision

[vivid crown]

just make sure you don't use a bountiful delve to level to 8

[sour oasis]

about your spec

[vivid crown]

even if you don' t use your key it'll use up the bountiful

[sour oasis]

but Sub seems to be the better spec for the raid

[normal mist]

And the raid isnt even out yet

[haughty lantern]

give it like.....20 hours

[sour oasis]

i want to watch the log tomorow hehe

[spice spire]

Mf log watching

Damn

We’re so tucking back

[sour oasis]

for sure

[haughty lantern]

slightly more entertaining than paint drying

[covert snow]

I’m just wondering what spec rwf rogues will go for tbh

[sour oasis]

spoiler : sub

[normal mist]

The spec they will play will not translate to the best spec for the majority of the playerbase

[velvet vault]

why u say that ?

[covert snow]

I know, just curious here

[sour oasis]

Analysed the wowarmory

[normal mist]

Now that's some free time

[sour oasis]

of Echo/method rogue player

[normal mist]

jesus

[whole sand]

[velvet vault]

i saw liquid rogues
many of them are assa

[covert snow]

They actually have lot of outlaw rogues lol

[haughty lantern]

question for my opener, should i be building to 7 combo points for rupture or just 5?

[sour oasis]

liquid made first ?

:p

[normal mist]

5+

[limber lion]

Always 5+

You only finish on 7 for DN

[normal mist]

deeznuts

[sour oasis]

Really ? not see that

[velvet vault]

tommarow u see liquid first

[fair coyote]

How do tou know what they will play from armory?

[sour oasis]

na release

[haughty lantern]

ah so most spenders (rupture, silce n dice, etc) i should always be consuming on 5 or 6 combo points? is 7 a waste aside from deez nuts?

[limber lion]

Yes

[normal mist]

SnD 1cp

or 2

[whole sand]

yall acting like your raidleader ain't deciding your spec

[covert snow]

I mean if gear is 0% mastery you can assume outlaw, at least for hc week

[haughty lantern]

ye ye ye we extend it with the thingy

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[arctic socket]

For raid tmr are we playing Rosunding clarity?

[limber lion]

No

[normal mist]

Why would we

[limber lion]

Bogged for DS and not best for Fatebound

[arctic socket]

might need to change my talent build

[normal mist]

you need to change 1 point

from clarity to lethality

thats it

[arctic socket]

that's alot

[haughty lantern]

gdi hekili has ingrained bad habit into me

[normal mist]

I keep saying it

[whole sand]

any bets that we see a high level rogue tomorrow running without a trace?

[normal mist]

Only if he's trolling

[limber lion]

That's why we keep saying not to use Hekili

[severe sparrow]

undoing bad muscle memory is a lot harder than building muscle memory from scratch

[limber lion]

I hope they do

[fair coyote]

They are doing splits with a timegate they might play whatever they feel regatdless of what they will play for progression

[haughty lantern]

i keep doing deathmark kb shiv

[limber lion]

Good content for the discord

[haughty lantern]

instead of dm shiv kb

[severe sparrow]

move yyour binds to put them in a row in the right order

[nocturne crater]

anyone know what the command for the table with the upgrade tracks is?

[limber lion]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[nocturne crater]

ty

[limber lion]

Np

[storm forum]

Damn, not green Cev fucking with my brain

[spice spire]

Tell me about it

[haughty flicker]

i cant wait for double vanish in rwf

[spice spire]

Need to have a hall of fame for goats

[haughty flicker]

so this channel implodes

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

[storm forum]

Double vanish for m+, I understand the thought process.

Double vanish for raid/rwf I don't understand the thought process.

I'd implode yeah

[whole sand]

i understand it more for raid then for m+

[limber lion]

Sus

[spice spire]

I see the vision

[normal mist]

They need to play badly, bad talents, bad logs, bad everything

so blizzard buffs us

Talent into ER and clarity and not pressing ER

[limber lion]

They do the first part already

[normal mist]

LOL

[haughty lantern]

also guys this just in: essence shatter WILL BE COMING for enchanting. SELL YOUR DUST NOW

[normal mist]

yep!

[haughty flicker]

im glad i made my profit on dust while i could

[spice spire]

Damn tell me how you really feel

[cloud basin]

so if i wanna play for sin and outlaw what embellishments should i look at?

[limber lion]

I think Perfecto playing a completely wrong rotation in SoD and people glazing him and saying that he must have some tech that we just don't understand

was my turning point

[magic ginkgo]

So I know to pair thistle with shiv at every opportunity but outside of that, should I just use one free stack of it if i'm low on energy or should it only be for extra dmg?

[limber lion]

the turning point from Good Cev to the villain

[limber lion]

For energy and during Shiv, yes

You wouldn't press it only for energy

[spice spire]

I remember

[novel star]

why would you double vanish for anything

[limber lion]

You wouldn't.

[novel star]

when you can play fatebound babyyyy lets go fatebound

[whole sand]

big gambler gang

[spice spire]

[novel star]

i fucking love coins dude

[limber lion]

I wish I could have hero talents that we could love

[novel star]

yea

[limber lion]

I don't want to choose between two evils

[novel star]

i mean idk

fatebound is extremely inoffensive to me

[limber lion]

Well, the choice to me is super clear

I would definitely choose Fatebound for all content personally

[novel star]

i’m upset ds isn’t fun because the theme is a lot better but i’m not mad about being fb

[haughty flicker]

im upset about being rogue

[whole sand]

after playing a bit of sub its clear what DS was designed for

[novel star]

why

[fallen plover]

is this stiletto dagger actually good or nah, pins say its garbage but sims say otherwise

[novel star]

what’s so bad about being a rogue

[haughty flicker]

i cri

but nobody can see me

bc im in stealth

so everything is ok

[novel star]

Dam

[limber lion]

It's a mashup of Sub and Assa, and takes elements from both specs

So there's no real theme there

Just a weird hybrid of both

Nature dam and Shadow dam

[whole sand]

i don't mean theme as such, i just mean it feels like they designed it for sub first and stuck sin onto the back end of it

[haughty flicker]

i dont think it plays horribly for sin

[novel star]

fatebound is the same with outlaw

[haughty flicker]

but the fact that "it doesnt play horribly" is the best praise i can give any of our hero trees is a bit sad

[novel star]

outlaw pace mashes coinflips like crazy

[dusk fox]

dumb question but can you/should you cold blood before deathmark?

[novel star]

we just kinda do it sometimes

[limber lion]

With Fatebound?

No, just use it on cooldown

[novel star]

yea doesn’t matter

[limber lion]

There's no mixing or syncing or whatever

Just send it on cd

[novel star]

it only matters in the opener (you don’t want to cb until you flip edge case)

rest of the pull it’s on cd

[dusk fox]

gotcha thanks

[whole sand]

yeah that interaction is also weird

[novel star]

i mean it makes sense

it’s still a little cringe but not as bad as when it was like lose all your coins idiot

[brave notch]

I wonder if fatebound actually does damage. It looks like harmless soft cotton ball to me.

[novel star]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[brave notch]

[novel star]

they are very very close in damage

[cerulean nest]

is my sim weird or is taking ER but not resounding clarity the move

[whole sand]

tails can hit kinda hard

[novel star]

fb vs ds sims <2% diff for me currently

iirc

[limber lion]

Yes

You take Lethality

because Resounding Clarity is broken

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[cerulean nest]

kk

ye knew about the bug just wanted ot make sure

[limber lion]

Sims replicate the bug

[brave notch]

Sims assume you win all the best gambles no?

[novel star]

not at all

[limber lion]

lol...

[brave notch]

[novel star]

it’s usually around 50/50

why would they make the sim have fake unattainable rng

[limber lion]

Sims work the same way you would in a raid

like what lol

[brave notch]

did anyone say it's fake?

[whole sand]

you need a gambler mentality to play the gambler spec

[brave notch]

^

[limber lion]

Sims replicate the game

[balmy condor]

Sims actually run 145,000 iterations and then returns the best one specifically to bait the shit out of you

[limber lion]

They don't replicate a private server

[brave notch]

Expecting 50/50 average in a gamble is laughable

[haughty flicker]

I KNEW IT

[whole sand]

they say the sim always wins

[novel star]

well it is literally a coin flip

[whole sand]

[limber lion]

Expecting anything else but that is.

[spice spire]

Wheezing

[novel star]

like

that’s

[limber lion]

Well, almost

Technically coins have a chance to land on their side apparently

So the chance to land on one side is something like 49.99% or something

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah according to tom and jerry

[novel star]

true it does show like 52/52 actually not 5050

as well

edge case!

[limber lion]

Literally

[whole sand]

but i have an excuse to be 20% below my sim if i say that it only rolls high

[limber lion]

20%

Go off king

[novel star]

i wish my sim had a rigged coin dude

[spice spire]

Man is gaslighting

So hard

[novel star]

i’d look so awesome on the pre raid tierlist

[whole sand]

whos gaslighting who

[limber lion]

you and you

[plain ridge]

is there a bug that isnt showing MARK? like a reset talentsthing

[limber lion]

No

[plain ridge]

target dummy bug?

[crude nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[severe sparrow]

this server is actually more fun than i thought now that this is my default leave open space since my other hobby is having an extended drama moment

[faint path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBffQJsO6o look at that single target gameplay 😄 with assas sometimes I literally have nothing to press due to lack of energy 😄

[normal mist]

We've been playing like that for a long time

[cobalt sphinx]

Dude

[normal mist]

We are not playing as the other classes (literally, we're the only different one)

[whole sand]

we are certifiably not a thumbnail-reaction-face spec

thank christ

[cobalt sphinx]

You can’t be watching any video with someone pogchamping in the thumbnail

[normal mist]

Xaryu is pretty cool tho

[cobalt sphinx]

That shit will rot your brain

[strange python]

You forgot feral bro

[severe sparrow]

[strange python]

(We all do)

[indigo mulch]

I had one of our arcane mage try assassination on a dummy and he just kept crying about how many buttons and how clunky it feels.

😄