assassination

[runic hinge]

[earnest remnant]

so i can drag your sorry ass through actual raids soon

[stuck knoll]

Do you not have cards to farm

[blazing jewel]

[wintry pagoda]

sorry i dont have the length for the blender to have any effect, cant join in on that statement

[blazing jewel]

But but but turbo servers soon

[indigo mulch]

I mean, atleast your honest. I respect that.

[earnest remnant]

you are still gonna need to do horizontal

-.-

[blazing jewel]

What if instead of farming cards me and Stealthi do a coop stardew valley farm

[earnest remnant]

roster is per server

[blazing jewel]

And have ronkles watch from afar

[earnest remnant]

the ingite server is gonna do fuck all for you

[blazing jewel]

(Idk what the ignite server is even im just using it as cope)

[earnest remnant]

get those ignea tokens slacker

get your skill points

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[stuck knoll]

first thing I see is you have big downtimes on your garrote and rupture

[wicked vector]

For some reason

I am not getting my deathmark to go back on targets

with a 7 combo point evis when darkest night is up

[delicate imp]

wait is the thistle tea change going to be optional in the talent tree?

that sounds shit

[balmy condor]

no

it's just added

you either press the button or it auto procs below 50

same as normal, added functionality

[remote vector]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FYvXw7rPt3ZAGj8V#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=10&view=timeline here's another one

[delicate imp]

that sounds awful

[remote vector]

did a 5 min session now and ended up at like 360k

[balmy condor]

if you're a min-maxer pressing your tea at the right time it doesn't impact you at all, if you're a casual that just spams energy away it's a win cause you get like 80% of the value of tea for doing nothing

it's kinda whatever

[delicate imp]

i was just thinking for dungeons when you know you have 5 ruptures about to bleeed out and max your energy

[runic hinge]

if you have 5 ruptures you won't be low on energy

[indigo mulch]

I'm not sure whats going on in your opener o_O; Why arent you opening with DM? o_O

[junior aurora]

if u drink one of whispyrs monsters u wont be low on energy either

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

I mean in aoe you don't really care about the timing of the tea nearly as much as you do in single target

so that's also just whatever

[remote vector]

Like first cast?

[indigo mulch]

This is the first 30ish seconds. Or did you just forget to reset stuffs?

[raven egret]

I assume the second try after 1m mark is it

[indigo mulch]

Yeah it has to be

[stuck knoll]

Ye ignore the first bit

[remote vector]

I think that was just a nearby dummy ticking from the prev try

[stuck knoll]

and cut off at 1 min

[remote vector]

sry for the confusion

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[junior aurora]

the worlds not ready for whispyrs twink death in a few years

[raven egret]

Thats how we drink tea, 100% accurate

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

I feel like i will never git gud at maintaning envenom.

I keep hovering around 85%

[past forum]

so if i'm using a plater profile, let's say for example whispyr's, if i wanted to make friendly/enemy players show up as blizzard default would i just disable the module for those unit types? or would i need to do more stuff?

[tough gorge]

Mythic+ or ST? And for what duration? 100% envenom isnt really realistic.

[indigo mulch]

On ST just normal dummys

[meager ermine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[tough gorge]

How long?

[stuck knoll]

One thing it looks like you might be vanishing and reapplying your refreshed garrote too early remember you wanna do it to maximise uptime on shrouded if you reapply at 7 seonds you're losing uptime, you're also going without reapplying mark for a while, ideally you wanna clip your deathstalker refresh inside your envenom, you're dropping garrote and rupture a bit which is gonna cause energy problems you seem to use your teas outside of your cds a lot which isn't ideal either (probably caused by dropping bleeds)

I might be missing some stuff but it's late my time and I'm a bit fried rn

[gusty mirage]

wdym around 85% is fine

why are you so mean to yourself

could it be better? sure

but it's not like you're doing horrible

[tough gorge]

Yeah I think its fine. Are ppl saying we shoild have 100% envenom uptime or something?

[balmy condor]

in higher end gear 100% is almost reachable

but with current gear I don't think getting above 90 is feasible

[indigo mulch]

Oh

So i'm not doing bad.

Nvm delete my comment

[tough gorge]

Im gonna test on a dummy right now lol

[balmy condor]

nah 85 sounds fine

[indigo mulch]

[remote vector]

Sorry i dont get the Deathstalker part

[indigo mulch]

I keep dropping garrote and rupture every now and then when i'm trying to hit those 7cp's

This was an 8min run though.

[stuck knoll]

You're taking a while to build to 7 cp sometimes when you have darkest night up, and ideally you want to have your darkest night envenom be inside another envenom to empower it

[remote vector]

Ahhh

Now that makes sense

[deep sorrel]

Never worth to do a 5-6cp beforehand to meet that condition right?

[tough gorge]

I had 88% envenom uptime on a dummy. I quit right before deathmark comes back when I test ST. I used DS build, dont know different FB would have.

[remote vector]

So if i have DN up, but no Envenom, i do a non-max 5+ CP envenom first, then stack to 7 if inside the window?

[deep sorrel]

You’d have to pool for that to work

[indigo mulch]

I mean uptime will increase/decrese depending on ambush procs as well.

[tough gorge]

Ambush procs? Oh im playing my mythic+ build lol

I dont have blindside

Whoops

[stuck knoll]

not sure on outside of cds I doubt it's worth to do a 5 cp to then build to 7 but inside KB you're spamming your shit anyway so you want to send it to 7 there is what I meant

[tough gorge]

I suppose ST would have slightly higher uptime then

So I guess 90% is just about feasible.

[remote vector]

okok noted

[stuck knoll]

cuz from what I saw in the log it looked like if your darkest night refresh happened towards the end of KB you would wait until after KB ended to refresh

[deep sorrel]

In cd window it’ll just be automatic, you shouldn’t have to pay attention cus ur spamming env anyway

[stuck knoll]

you were missing this one frequently from what I saw

[remote vector]

Is there a weakaura that tells me how much i stacked my KB?

[deep sorrel]

And I think outside of cd’s ronkley it’s not possible, too much energy to fit 5-6cp into 7 within env window

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll why are you a deathstalker fan

explain yourself

[stuck knoll]

I like to be divisive

[fleet pagoda]

there's actually a buff that tracks it, can probably make a simple WA to display it in a better spot if you wanted

[gusty mirage]

fair

[remote vector]

aight will check tomorrow, thanks

[stuck knoll]

Ye that's why I don't think you do it there I was more talking about specifically in CDs it was looking like he was missing it and explained it poorly

[fleet pagoda]

yee, think they added it not too long ago but once you press kb you can see your stacks somewhere on your buffs with the kb icon

[remote vector]

i'll take a look at it tomorrow. I've written down what you said and will give it another go tomorrow 🙂 Thanks for all the help!

[winged basin]

do we by chance have sims on using mana oils vs stones for wk 1 of raid? I cannot justify these prices for whetstones, and after leveling BS to realize how long it takes to get null stones it just doesnt seem worth

or how I would sim that atleast

[pure moth]

For week 1 as long you just use something, you'll be fine.

[stuck plaza]

!stat

[indigo mulch]

This is an 11min dummy parse. My kb damage seams so low D:

[winged basin]

actually found it in simc, just had to look with my eyes

[indigo mulch]

Maybe i'm just not used to the whole kb not being 99% of our damage kind of thing ;C

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

There are options

[stray raptor]

hey guys, Im looking for my next upgrade, any recommandations on what to craft next? (yes noob mistake for my gloves)

I was thinking of going for head but I should probably just save valorstones and upgrade it

[deep sorrel]

U know u can get 584 helmet from 8 ringing deeps right

And stats r actually good

[iron valve]

if you're on a budget, just use wax?

[stray raptor]

ouh I didnt, thanks

what do you recommend to go for after that?

[deep sorrel]

U can also get 584 chest and shoulders but u already upgraded those two

[stray raptor]

yeah chest and shoulders are from the renown 7

[deep sorrel]

I mean idk, best is sim ofc but if I had to make a wild guess I think mh weapon will be biggest dps increase

[stray raptor]

okk thanks

[acoustic roost]

https://x.com/foreverguy5/status/1832574571029131671?s=46

Get to pickpocketing

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5) on X

There is a Rogue-exclusive quest in The Ringing Deeps Inn at 48.1 32.0 where you collect candles for a Kobold hiding in a vent.

After completing this questline, any time you pickpocket a Kobold you have a chance to get a Rogue-exclusive weapon enhancement called Bubbling Wax

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 12:19 AM

[novel parcel]

Ayo wait whats the difference between this and whatever the bis rune/stone/whatever?

[normal mist]

Like 1% afaik

[acoustic roost]

And you can only use 1 so you’ll still need to use a stone/oil. But it’s free 🙂

[indigo mulch]

just going to use those week 1

[novel parcel]

Yeah free is op

[strange cargo]

woah free weapon coat?

[indigo mulch]

feels a bit expensive at the moment ;X

[proper tapir]

I've deff had 2 bubbling waxes, the procs don't stack?

[indigo mulch]

What do you mean by stacking? like 80kx2 or the proc shares icd?

[balmy condor]

they don't stack no

same damage and proc rate

[indigo mulch]

So the procrate shares icd? or i'm i stupid here?

Its to early in germany

[sand imp]

@balmy condor Are you still maintaining a list of spells we can mitigate with defensives somewhere?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[balmy condor]

no

ended up being a ton of work for like

no real benefit

endless list of very obvious things

[sand imp]

I wonder if the healers are maintaining something

[balmy condor]

and then like 2 things that are actually interesting but very well known

just kinda not worth the time investment

[indigo mulch]

If wax share icd then i'll painfully have to get atleast one other =C

[spice spire]

Way too much work for the investment that could just be an anecdotal “hey this works”

[iron tree]

how does the dmg from caustic spatter work? does all rup/dp dmg since last caustic proc? (on the same target)

[balmy condor]

yeh wax basically is just "get whetstones for 50% off"

[balmy condor]

while the debuff is up, nature damage dealt to that target cleaves

[indigo mulch]

But is there alternative to both wheatstone and wax?

I don't want to pay 4k per wheatstone, its just a bit much D:

[balmy condor]

I mean you can use mana oil or whatever if you want

it's slightly worse

but just like the rest of this expansions consumables

they fucking suck

[indigo mulch]

Yeh, i just feel bad having nothing on 1 weapon

wax is okay, you can just run aroudn and farm it but like having to pay 4.4k for a wheatstone feelsbadman ;C even more expensive than flasks are

[balmy condor]

buy rank 1 whetstones

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

??????????????

tf is going on in eu

[indigo mulch]

Welcome to EU market!

[normal mist]

Idk but I bought a depth enchant for 50k when they were going for 500k +

[indigo mulch]

[royal lantern]

i mean

they still need a frking nullstone

[woven shore]

dont worry guys

[royal lantern]

which is 3-5k by itself lol

[normal mist]

Authority of the depths for 50k *

[woven shore]

When raid comes out itll get less expensive

[indigo mulch]

Yes, its going to be so cheap on wed.

I can already see it dropping by atleast 500%.

[normal mist]

How much is authority of the depths going (r3) in NA?

[royal lantern]

i really like how they are called ironclaw whetstones

and we have ironclaw ore

and the recipee doesnt use ironclaw ore

and instead uses bismuth alloy + nullstone

[indigo mulch]

I'm going to go broke week 1 hc

[royal lantern]

buy rank1

jesus christ

are you in liquid? if the answer is no, buy rank1 for the first couple weeks until prices crash

[sage star]

They might not crash though. We're all limited by concentration now. (well not in a month or 2 I guess)

[indigo mulch]

Yeah i'm not even sure they will drop that much

[woven shore]

rank 1 it is

price for r3 is crazy as fuck

[normal mist]

Be aware sometimes r2 is cheaper than r1

[woven shore]

rank 1 is like 200-300 gold

rank is like 2-3k wtf

or more 6 maybe dont remember

[minor gate]

Idk what it is but the people that make consumables are stingy as hell

[woven shore]

why tho

i dont get it

[minor gate]

And yet

[normal mist]

Me neither

[minor gate]

Leatherworkers

[woven shore]

This things so expensive because of Top raiders

[minor gate]

With a 8k tinkerbox

[median flicker]

Is the bubbling wax better than the whetstone?d

[woven shore]

these people got to work

[normal mist]

No

[indigo mulch]

Your limited by concentration. Atleast until you get like all of your proffs maxed out you wont be able to craft r3 without concentration =X

[minor gate]

Sells their armor kit for 6k

[proud nexus]

hello good evening a question these talents are ok or there are other better talents

[junior aurora]

is this for m+?

[normal mist]

Check wowhead guide

[royal lantern]

bro, people are almost maxed out rn for that stuff lol

[proud nexus]

yes

[junior aurora]

wheres your iron wire

are you trolling?

[woven shore]

copy Whispyrs Wowhead talents

[sage star]

I'm not even 100% sure how much concentration efficiency you can get at the end of the alchemy tree (I'm almost there now). I might only go from making 1 flask a day to making 2-3.

[woven shore]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps @proud nexus

[indigo mulch]

its sad if you can only make 1 flask a day. Thats just not enough ;s

[proud nexus]

ty

[woven shore]

no problems

[royal lantern]

all skilled + blue equipment + rank3 mats = no conc needed

and all of that is a given in 1-2 months

[normal mist]

We do recommend wowhead/icyveins for information

So check them for talents, openers, etc @proud nexus

[proper tapir]

I simmed this stuff today if you want to see numbers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQvQhvGUkIxSodGmLyWPZNCENs61Ct0VVe0dD4UCquv0TYeorF1dZ004vkEllUNTewZGFMlFlRGVX0k/pubhtml

[sage star]

Yeah but now your using r3 mats and it's even more expensive. Edit: Most of the stuff I've checked isn't profitable without conc (enchants today)

[royal lantern]

matterials allready surge down like crazy mate lol

and only get cheaper and cheaper every week

[normal mist]

That's not wowhead

[indigo mulch]

Yeah please for the love of god do not look at just the numbers. Go to wowhead and look at what our TC is coming up with instead.

[royal lantern]

purple emchant crystals allready go for 1k a piece

[sage star]

It's that r3 mat supply is crazy constrained and you need that for 100% r3 product rates (which everyone wants)

[royal lantern]

materials always go down lol

[sage star]

There's not enough crazy russians on NA to build 260 character conc farms either

[royal lantern]

espacially that over time gathers stop getting r1 stuff and r2 gets rare aswell

[proper tapir]

Bro in the past year have personally done more for the DSlice APL than you will ever know

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/imfa1-imfa2-imfa3-imfa4-imfa5-gif-2239847300570099913

Good for you, here is a gold star.

[sage star]

it will def get cheaper but I don't think it's gonna be in a month

Most of the gatherers are already maxed on skill (or very close)

r2 prices are normalized by thaumaturgy rn too

but you cant r3 to r3 with thaumaturgy as far as I know

If that works then I think you see prices crash in late october

[errant trail]

fatebound doesn’t feel bad at all in these itty bitty heroics

[novel horizon]

Random question but if I do delve lvl 8 on my warrior next week, it'll open for my rogue too yeah?

[past forum]

Yee

[median root]

yep

[novel horizon]

Kk sweet tyrt

[indigo mulch]

Everytime i look through simc's code i'm like damn it would be so cool to use CUDA cores for this.

Then i google what an A100 costs and then be like "yeah thats not happening".

[glass hemlock]

Are most people playing deathstalker in m+ or coin flipper

[proper tapir]

Deathstalker sims the best

[onyx linden]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[uncut dragon]

Ima coin flip 'cause its pretty low involvement

[tough gorge]

If you could play DS perfectly in the dungeon and not lose mark uptime, it is clearly ahead of FB.

But your almost guaranteed not to be able to do that, making it rlly close to FB

[glass hemlock]

Might start off with fb until I get the hang of the dungeons maybe

I only have 1 season of experience with assa so

[tough gorge]

Then just do FB.

[glass hemlock]

Yeah easy, thanks mate

[near canyon]

is the ER deathstalker marks bug still here?

[glass hemlock]

Yes

Only works on the 3cp anima charged

[near canyon]

Do you know if ER envenoms can proc darkest night if not bugged?

[glass hemlock]

That’s what everyone’s complaining about, it should work but doesn’t

[near canyon]

Lol why aren't blizzard fixing this

[tough gorge]

Thats impossible to know unless the dev tells us

Maybe its intentional and not a bug that ER doesnt give DN

[onyx linden]

_wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[wide dome]

!embellishment

Is there any info on best embellishments for our crafted boots/wrists? Can't find anywhere in the wowhead guide. Thanks

[hard river]

looks like dawnthread lining

[wide dome]

Can you link me the URL link so I can read up on that? Thanks a ton

Haven'tr been able to find it

[hard river]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[balmy condor]

there's also a pin that I'm keeping up to date

[sick bridge]

Why is crit recommended? Crit seems to sim as the least valuable stat no matter how I rebalance haste

[balmy condor]

embellishments are kinda all over the place

[balmy condor]

crit is generally the most important stat for the spec, if crit is not valuable to your character it's likely that your gear is just skewed very heavily into crit already

[wide dome]

Ahh I see it now. Cheers man

[sand trellis]

Whats the logic behind using the envenom right after ER in the opener? Most of the time its like a 2-3s buff and falls off before the KB portion of the opener.

[brave blaze]

hey if i dont want to get one of the two expensive weapon enchants for this week, what would be the next best weapon enchant after depths and radiant authority?

[balmy condor]

with a crit it would land on an animacharge, if it doesn't you would mutilate to 5

so that it lasts into the KB

[sand trellis]

Thank you wise sage

[cinder quartz]

i love having no buttons to press for like 5 seconds while i wait for envenom to tick down

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-eyes-golden-retriever-cute-waiting-gif-21457304

[plain ridge]

how much haste do you guys like to run

[near canyon]

in aoe opening while applying bleeds to target during carnage window, should i switch appply the mark and the bleeds on the prio target then switch target to apply remaining bleeds?

[proper tapir]

As much as the sim says to when looking at upgrades

[proper tapir]

Yeah, bleed them up. You can use mouseover macros for Rupture and Garrote but that adds buttons

[severe sparrow]

unless you just live with mouseovers only for them

[fleet pagoda]

if you're taking the lazy route, ambush to mark then gar -> rup -> rup -> build to CT and you have DN back to put on whoever anyways

replied to the wrong person oh well

[ornate meteor]

Is 5 target enough to rupture at aoe then start doing envenoms?

[near canyon]

ill rephrase it

in aoe does procing 2 marks using 2x rupture to apply bleeds to other target change much or should i switch targets to keep the marks

[fleet pagoda]

5 is fine, yeah

[cobalt sphinx]

are you guys able to pull similar numbers as outlaw when you respec

in heroics

[fleet pagoda]

it's up to you i guess. i like doing that to get DN faster but odds are you're tagging it unless there's a million mobs soaking the smart targeting from it anyways

[cinder quartz]

yeah but im a god gamer so 💪

[frank condor]

Much higher but sudden demise is carrying in heroic dungos

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i am doing like like 400k less on outlaw, wondering if playing better will close the gap

or if assassination just owns because of SD vs low hp pools

[proper tapir]

There is not really a good answer to this. It will depend on your haste and how long until these 5 targets will die. Usually you can just spread Rup during IC, after that it's a tough call. I usually pick evenom spam after that.

[frank condor]

outlaw comes out on top when you can take advantage of the flat dmg profile. always gotta be hitting something, which isnt a thing yet

and even then, can't really say 'on top' depends on pull size and length etc

[cinder quartz]

just have a constantly maintained pack size of 6 enemies and get crackshot resets and its easy

[raven egret]

Damage in heroics are an absolute meme, don't read too much into those

[cinder quartz]

is not running vicious venoms a noob trap or something? energy feels so much better

simming the same as well

[raven egret]

Sooner you accept that you will not be spamming buttons 90% of the time, sooner you will accept the energy pooling requirements

[shy pecan]

Yeah, that

You're not doing that much damage outside of your CDs, so it's whatever.

[cinder quartz]

i dont have a problem with pooling, but it feels like you pool way less

lets you cycle through DN more (feelscraft)

[raven egret]

I mean it's not like we are rushing to cycle DN at all costs

[fleet pagoda]

I am!

[raven egret]

Its not like we are rushing to cycle DN at all costs, 'cept that weirdo over there

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[raven egret]

See for DS we already want to be lower energy

So just following the pooling strategy we will get the best benefit of our talents and DS hero nodes

[sick bridge]

That still doesn't make sense, you get the same number of envenoms over a time period whether you pool or stay under 50%

[languid mantle]

Is there a bis race for us right now?

[acoustic roost]

human female cause of the gyat

[proper tapir]

Going over 50% saps energy since you give it to sang blades. You will get more envenoms staying under 50%

[cinder quartz]

my VV vs no vv vs 1/2 vv sims are all within like 1k dps (1/2 VV + impPoison on top), so i guess it at least doesn't matter that much

[sick bridge]

This is in the context of not having Sanguine Blades

[languid mantle]

😂 no foreal tho

[proper tapir]

I'm not sure it is

[proper tapir]

We like to say play what you like, but some folks really like Mechagnome or Orc.

[cinder quartz]

i think its because if you are running sanguine you are likely getting a ton of energy from VW, so just spend energy?

and if you're in ST you don't want that sanguine effect, so stay under to conserve more energy from being eaten by sanguine

[sturdy python]

is it normal to start running out of energy on dummies?

ok ty

thought it was weird

[languid mantle]

I’ve heard this and maybe nightelf for m+?

[sturdy python]

even with rupt and garrote after 30 secs to 1 min I'm dead out of energy

[cinder quartz]

yeah its normal, do your best to pool to extend that duration

[proper tapir]

If everything goes perfectly in your favor then meld can be good in M+ trash packs

[cinder quartz]

once you're out of energy, try to regen back to ~70% then you can start chaining envenom pandemics again for rapid injection buffs

[sturdy python]

and by 'try to regen back to 70%' you mean basically dont use any spells?

[sand trellis]

i mean u try to yeah

not to*

[cinder quartz]

maintain ur bleeds and just ignore envenom

[sturdy python]

got it ty

[cinder quartz]

idk if old season 3 pooling vid still applies but it was really good at explaining it

[proper tapir]

It's also important to note that if you are in a burst window you don't pool yourself out of it. Like if Shiv is running then you envenom.

[sturdy python]

where can I find that?

[cinder quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNSIr7TB7c

[sturdy python]

tyvm

[cinder quartz]

some of the values will be different like having more max CP

[sturdy python]

gotcha, thanks so much!

[near canyon]

!talents

[junior aurora]

guys

its dwarf for m+

if ur minmaxing getting rid of a debuff >>>> a little bit more dam

[proper tapir]

Sounds like a healer problem

[acoustic roost]

what if you're melding a boss ability to cheese it though 🙂

[junior aurora]

you have vanish

[acoustic roost]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[sour relic]

has the best embellishes been established yet?

[proper tapir]

Yes but it only takes one nerf to unestablish them

[manic pebble]

how do you sim with bubbling wax?

[sour relic]

what is the currrent best for M+? what guide should I refer to

[proper tapir]

It's going to be DAWNthread x2

[dreamy parcel]

I crafted dawnthread x2 today and I’m only receiving the buff from 1 for some reason

[proper tapir]

They say if you drop below and get healed the 2nd one pops up

[lusty widget]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[jovial adder]

I saw a google doc for all 3 specs this morning is that still around I can't seem to find it

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor we are already stacking eviscerate no?

or still bugged

[balmy condor]

idk what that question means

[balmy condor]

!fuu probably

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

its ugly no one wants be dwarf for 2 minutes racial

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor thanks mate

very sucess

[strange python]

it should be illegal being dwarf rogue :p

[waxen oyster]

gleeful glamour trust

[vapid geode]

IMorph trust.

[waxen oyster]

or coordinate hourly recalibrator uses during raid night

[vapid geode]

I feel like if you’re not competing go with ur fav race unless you get off to minmaxing

[manic thicket]

Is Shiv used or do we just yeet it?

[vapid geode]

I’m pretty sure shiv I used during kingsbane

[proper tapir]

Use it during KB

[manic thicket]

Ah okay, thank you

[worn badger]

oh, look shiny new toys in the 20th aniversary raid

[strange python]

is spelunkers waning candle good? keeps simming higher than most the other trinkets ive gotten so far

[desert cove]

If the sims say it’s higher then use it

Easy as that

[proper tapir]

seems good, dude!

[strange python]

i did but trinkets are weird for 1 and for 2, neither of these trinkets are even on the tier list on wowhead

[desert cove]

B/c

One is a world drop

The other isn’t in season 1

Preseason BiS does not matter at all

In fact

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[strange python]

well i was referring to the tier list

[raven halo]

when i open from stealth applying dots on 3 mobs, i wanna get 2 more mobs doted do i garrote mob1 rupture mob1 garrote mob2 rupture mo2 or garrote mob1 garrote mob2 rupture mob1 rupture mob2

[vapid geode]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

guides are written for season 1

[manic thicket]

What poisons do we use, and do we use it for all scenarios or

[balmy condor]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[novel star]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[balmy condor]

too slow

bozo

L

[novel star]

fuck you fuck you whispyr fuck you

i’m on mobile

[manic thicket]

ty

[novel star]

LETS GO

UR SO OWNED

[strange python]

ah wait so these trinkets are good now but when m+ / raid starts these trinkets wont be an option, i see

[balmy condor]

yah

[novel star]

feeling like the tortoise rn

[strange python]

gotchaaa thank you sorry im slow

[cinder quartz]

@balmy condor whats the preferred maplestory ost vid

[balmy condor]

we fundamentally do not do any theorycrafting regarding pre-season gear

[strange python]

that makes sense

[cinder quartz]

2-hour music compilation is my go to personally

[novel star]

but whispyr what about the brd trinkets for heroic only gamers

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2M18LXBXPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp8t19rzsGo

these two

are the move

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/ofergang-daniel-gif-25330530

[novel star]

snowy village hard

skipped an hour in randomly

never heard ms music

[cinder quartz]

me listening to above the treetops

[balmy condor]

the bottom one is wild

cause it's like

legit in chronological order

lore wise

what an insane thing to compile

[novel star]

goat shit

[cinder quartz]

lmao that is pretty cool

5 hour dummy sesh

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTycdjpeWyQ&list=PLybuC4s3R-g6Su7a23zq_tplAIzuoUxMW

playlist is cool too

these are like the OSTs from the last 3ish years

new expac/continent

some of it goes hard

[junior aurora]

🤓

[cinder quartz]

i stopped playing a little bit after that one area with lucid

my friends still do their weekly bossing

[balmy condor]

train heading nowhere is a perma banger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0P-N0ub7dc&list=PLybuC4s3R-g6Su7a23zq_tplAIzuoUxMW&index=26

this shit has no right going this hard

[cinder quartz]

[junior aurora]

Spaghetti western jams always go hard

[cinder quartz]

i'm a classic andy, just listening to the ol shit

kerning city

[balmy condor]

yeh but then legit next zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy0WxGZyk9Y&list=PLybuC4s3R-g6Su7a23zq_tplAIzuoUxMW&index=38

maplestory so unserious man

[magic ginkgo]

I opened this and was so confused because I def opened the wow discord and not my i/l class discord

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I miss maplestory whispyr

[balmy condor]

grats on your bufs btw

[spice spire]

ThT mf is happy

[cinder quartz]

less yap more wap

[magic ginkgo]

I can't wap cause i gotta get ready for raiding!

[magic ginkgo]

5% FD bouta go crazy

[balmy condor]

breath 2 min

insaaane

keydown duration buffs

[magic ginkgo]

I know, actually playable 2m burst

next i Just need like hexa infinity or hexa lightning orb

and then we go to the top

[balmy condor]

I was gonna burn my dual blade when I saw the channel duration changes

and then I kept scroll and saw they gave xenon an upjump

and I creamed myself instantenously no lie

[magic ginkgo]

xenon in theory should be getting nerfed soon if nexon god is good

[balmy condor]

my shit was poppin like an expired gusher on the sidewalk on a hot summer afternoon

[magic ginkgo]

LOOL

[rigid shore]

Hello whispyr, just watched your latest m+ video. Do you have your plater profile posted somewhere, or do you mind sharing it?

[balmy condor]

in the disc

desc?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

it's here too

[rigid shore]

Ah Thank yoU!

[balmy condor]

I always have a link to my wago in the description tho

[rigid shore]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[balmy condor]

ye

[rigid shore]

This doesnt show the plater right?

[balmy condor]

right here

[rigid shore]

OHH

[magic ginkgo]

Have we figured out what embellishments are worth yet or we still lost?

[balmy condor]

sort by views instead

and it jumps to the top

[rigid shore]

I had it sorted on wa

like this

[balmy condor]

yeh second pin

[balmy condor]

yeh that would do it

[rigid shore]

Alright, thanks!

[magic ginkgo]

Perfect, appreciate that

[tall pelican]

Anyone have a great lookinmg clean m+ ui?

[wide dome]

!macro

Anyone have a Tricks of the Trade macro where I can just input the tanks name?

For some reason mine isn't working

[tall pelican]

Look for smart misdirect on weakauras

never have to put another tank into macros

[desert pasture]

@balmy condor are there numbers for this bubbling wax thing ?

[wide dome]

Oh really? I

ill look for it rn

[warm sun]

Check out Quazii's UI

[wide dome]

https://wago.io/n9Sg1NLb5

This the one you are referring to?

[tall pelican]

Smart misdirected updated

is what iim using

[wide dome]

its not that one I just linked?

[tall pelican]

Yep thats it

and also you need smart target which is included in that link

[acoustic roost]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

not in sims yet but wax/whetstone is probably good. Weird thing is that it doesn't stack so it's kinda wtf

[desert pasture]

aiight bet, well saves some gold and means i don't have to pickpocket as much lol

[slate crown]

Whetstone reigns supreme

blacksmithing points not wasted

[limber lion]

🕺

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure wax is like 0.2% better for outlaw

[cinder quartz]

its also $free.99

[jaunty warren]

Where is tricks in our spell book or talent tree? I don’t see it

[meager ermine]

below cloak of shadow

[acoustic roost]

Its a choice node on the rogue tree

[jaunty warren]

Aha thank you ..choice node with blackjack. Much appreciated

FTW I just focus the tank and my macro tars focus…

Makes it easy to swap between tanks in raid etc

Now if they would just fix recuperator…

[slate crown]

we must burn the evidence.

[desert cove]

burn it...

with molten wax?

[ripe carbon]

how much dps is a whetstone or wax?

[near canyon]

!commands

[tawdry sedge]

guys how can i hide the debuffs showing above the plater? i dont want to see my bleeds on top of my target, it is just too much

[ripe carbon]

do u want anything above?

u can go to buff tracking - turn to manual and then add what u want. or go to automatic and add what u dont want

[tawdry sedge]

no nothing

[ripe carbon]

or u could probably go to buff settings and unclick enable

[tawdry sedge]

what you described worked

now i wonder if i want the bare minimum, my problem was i was getting three rows of debuffs

poisons bleeds etc

[ripe carbon]

well i just do manual and add my bleeds

[tawdry sedge]

i am doing the same currently

thanks a lot bud ^^

[ripe carbon]

np

u can also make 'buff special' which can show them on the side rather then top

[tawdry sedge]

good to know, i will do that for stuns and interrupts then

[ripe carbon]

if u go to the target training dummys and click in buff settings u can change the size and stuff too

in 'aura frame size 1'

[glass hemlock]

Have you looked at some of the rogue profiles for player?

Plater*

[ripe carbon]

ya a plater from another rogue is also an option

[glass hemlock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[glass hemlock]

🙂

[tawdry sedge]

i am using quazi's plater

since i cba looking into what mobs require interrupt and cc in the new dungeons xd

[glass hemlock]

If you’re using quazi I recommend Whispyrs, he adopts a lot of the CC interrupt stuff

[rotund oak]

for a moment i thought i were in the pirate channel

[glass hemlock]

Yeah I don’t know why my name is yellow

[rotund oak]

[glass hemlock]

Or how to change it 😭

[rotund oak]

its fine fam,do as u love

all of a sudden every outlaw is here

[glass hemlock]

I mean yellow does look nice but bleedy stabby poison boy is life

I’ve never even played outlaw hahahaha

[vestal prism]

[rotund oak]

upleft side of ur discord panel==> '' Channels and roles''

[ripe carbon]

in #welcome

oh i thought u did on welcome

[rotund oak]

typical outlaw

[ripe carbon]

lol

[glass hemlock]

Fixed ?

[rotund oak]

[glass hemlock]

zenabi was right 😎

[rotund oak]

the man is legit ye

[glass hemlock]

Red boys 🫡

[distant plinth]

Do we have any info on the bubbling wax poison thingy @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

it doesn't stack and is equal or slightly worse than a whetstone

so at best you'd go wax/whetstone

[narrow girder]

can i get your ui settings?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

plater and wa are there

I don't have a blizzard ui import

[distant plinth]

Cheeers!

[narrow girder]

elvui?

[balmy condor]

haven't used elvui since shadowlands

[bronze dune]

Am I doublecrafting dawnthread lining? I only have the buff once?

[balmy condor]

walk off a cliff

and then heal

[narrow girder]

can you send me a screenshot at least

[balmy condor]

sure I'm home in like 15 min

[bronze dune]

damn that actually worked hahaha

thanks!

[balmy condor]

Np, when I tell people to kill themselves I’m just being helpful

Also insane to me

That the blue silk lining bug

Is just the same bug now

Cause they copied the effect before they fixed it in season 3

So now the war within versions are just bugged again

With the exact same bugs

[waxen oyster]

make ascension because its totally not being nerfed

heroic week

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

It’s okay

Dawnthread 80% uptime easy

3 Resto Druid raid comp meta

Perma hot

Uptime to the moon

[fleet pagoda]

if playing deathstalker in m+, on boss fights, do we want to pool to 70% since we have SB or do we want to keep firing off envenoms when we get to 50%?

[hot fulcrum]

do we have SB in m+ build? I guess not, at least ini hybrid one

[main plover]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[hot fulcrum]

so yeah, SB is not a part of DS builds m+ and st

[waxen oyster]

why would you not have SB

[hot fulcrum]

we hve SB in FB builds, but not DS builds as I know

[waxen oyster]

so you didnt take one second to look at wowhead

[fleet pagoda]

not taking sb in any m+ scenario sounds cursed

[waxen oyster]

before saying that so confidently

or realizing VV is much weaker in situations you aren't building with mutilate all the time

[sick bridge]

Keeping energy up for SB in single target sims lower than ignoring it

[fleet pagoda]

so god-king envenom sendin', ty ty

[hot fulcrum]

omg, sorry, my mistake ofc. It's just still morning without breakfast 😦

Sorry for wrong info

[fleet pagoda]

wires get crossed, all g

[hot fulcrum]

messed up some things

[sick bridge]

Does anyone know how if it's a DPS gain to pool before Darkest Night?

[waxen oyster]

it's good to know why SB gets dropped

i.e the logic behind it

[hot fulcrum]

I just forgot that we have a lot energy generation when bleeds are up. so SB is working perfectly in m+

[waxen oyster]

It's not even that

[fleet pagoda]

there's probably a mega mind way of setting up and preparing for that, but from my dummy-slappin earlier it usually wound up with an awkward rupture timer dropping as DN came up or after sending DN so I had no energy to re-establish rupture

[waxen oyster]

VV is better because deathstalker build has more poison emphasis

on st that is

[fleet pagoda]

observing an upcoming DN right before CDs to piggyback the shiv+tea for kb felt more managable but I've no clue if it's a gain to try to play around it big crit make me happy tho

[waxen oyster]

I dont think you think about DN

besides you have to env at 7

[grave blade]

Don't have to worry about tea in the future 🥳

[cobalt sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[narrow girder]

@balmy condor yo im still waiting

[fleet pagoda]

that sounds like a better life than what i've been tryin to feelscraft

[waxen oyster]

need ER fix fr

[desert cove]

surely by tuesday

[waxen oyster]

RC is much more enjoyable than 2nd point of lethality

idk how anyone hates ER

you press cheap generator every 45

[hot fulcrum]

Is there any posts like "it's working as expected" or "we confirm that this is a bug"? Or they are just silent about this at all?

[waxen oyster]

you land on blue you get easy cheap finisher

You're playing rogue

you expect feedback on bugs?

[desert cove]

we spent an entire beta cycle demanding bug fixes

and while they at least made the trees playable

they're still horribly buggy

[hot fulcrum]

at least still have hope to have it. Optimist?))

[desert cove]

by modern game design standards it's honestly a horror story imo

[fleet pagoda]

it's activating Fatebound's flips and there's a particular bug interaction that does work with DS so it's probably just not working correctly

[near canyon]

If not using 2x shiv talent, do we use it before kb or when kb has 8secs left

[desert cove]

kb ramps

therefore use at higher end of ramp

[fleet pagoda]

probably the latter

[desert cove]

therefore in last 8s

[waxen oyster]

Sometimes i wish

people read how kb works

[hot fulcrum]

last 8 secs

[desert cove]

[waxen oyster]

ramping damage

hmm maybe i press my increase

when its higher

[cobalt sphinx]

well it also has up front damage

[desert cove]

damage towards the end of KB is higher regardless

unless you're going to kill something in less than four seconds, which is either a raid boss so that makes sense, or you're wasting your KB on something that won't live the duration

raid build runs 2x shiv anyways

[cyan karma]

Could some one lay out a standard kings bane window for a noob.. 🙏🏻 I get the part about buffing the last tick of KB, i just wanna note down an easy rotation and maybe make its own personal action bar with everything in order while I’m learning…

[desert cove]

you build to 5cp

envenom

if you have darkest night, build to 7

envenom

maintain bleeds

drink some caffeine (tea) while you're in shiv for energy and mastery buff

with 1x shiv you shiv at 8s left on KB

[waxen oyster]

you want a 5cp+ envenom buff to have the increased poison application rate

before you shiv kb on st

If you're not playing with lightweight you want to shiv around 8 left on kb.

[cyan karma]

8s, copy… better to be later then sooner?

[hot fulcrum]

I guess later due to last tick

last tick is the most important

so you need to make sure you cover it

[cyan karma]

And the tea, is at 3 sec?

[waxen oyster]

tea nowadays you can cast anytime during shiv windows

as long as you'll get the full energy value of it

[cyan karma]

And vanish is In the rotation? Or is that an old thing

[waxen oyster]

for improved garrote

[fleet pagoda]

that was related to the talent Master Assassin, we don't use that anymore since some power was taken out of KB. better to use vanish to apply improved garrote before Deathmark, now

[wanton mortar]

how is assa vs outlaw looking for m+ right now?

[cobalt sphinx]

both are probably good

[unreal fern]

what is 2nd best trinket after ara-kara right now avaiable?

[balmy condor]

yeah sorry sorry, had gf call

[unreal fern]

IS there any minimum/maximum or ratio of stats for assasination that we should aim for? I wanted to craft some items but no idea what stats ;p

[whole sand]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[unreal fern]

Thanks, will know that we have commands here .. wasnt around for couple years, ty

[finite eagle]

Do I want to chiv before kingsbane or during? if i only have 1 charge?

[jolly quiver]

where is the setting that shows me "300k" dmg instead of for example 300.000 dmg ?
so many numbers on the screen xD

[outer sundial]

kb last 8 seconds i guess

[whole wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert schooner]

Hey, is assass still meta for M+ and what do you guys think about it in raid?

[wanton mortar]

the big gap between outlaw and assa st in raid is because of deathstalker bug?

[earnest remnant]

no

[shy pecan]

No one knows. That content hasn’t opened yet.

[covert schooner]

Welp I hope I'm not wasting time on assass, I'll try to get a sword

[glass hemlock]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[covert schooner]

ty!

@earnest remnant Like the name 🙂

[fringe surge]

i am blood elf rogue, do you think that should i do a race change into smth else, is smth else bis ?

[shy pecan]

Are you doing high keys? Like top 100 in the world keys?

[dusty zenith]

Race won’t matter

Unless you a chad and use dwarf for stone form

[fringe surge]

i wanna push 3200+ rating

[shy pecan]

Then, no. Doesn’t matter.

[final star]

where is the setting that shows me "300k" dmg instead of for example 300.000 dmg ?
so many numbers on the screen xD

[hot pasture]

anyone know the bis pre season 1?

[rotund oak]

cleeeeeeeeeeeeeaan 👌

[onyx mesa]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[vital granite]

hi guys, u have any giga smart macros for meld-stealth ?

[vocal minnow]

Brother if you ask this in a chat it doesn't matter for you

[sterile aspen]

Guys is ASA the best pve DPS spec to go for ? I can't find any information anywhere, not even a rotation 😦 and if so, should I go deathstalker or fatebound?

[balmy condor]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[final star]

what furiously speedy typing

[balmy condor]

based chat commands

[sterile aspen]

10/10 Ty

What about deathstalker Vs fate ?

[hot tiger]

I can't find any information anywhere
...where did you look

[shy pecan]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[final star]

In the almost 10 years I've played wow

[sterile aspen]

So deathstalker is better ?

[final star]

I've never seen someone so bad at finding information

[vestal wren]

!sheet has some simualtions if you want that

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sterile aspen]

Thank you

[bitter saddle]

I have one but it’s not giga smart just castsequence so you spam it and end up In stealth when not in a boss fight

[vital granite]

its not working for 100%

sometimes its sucks

[bitter saddle]

Yeah are not allowed to move while spamming it or it breaks meld before stealth. But it works most of the time for me in dungeons to reapply bleeds

[waxen creek]

This is why I love reading Reddit some times, gives me a good laugh. Like, what do they think assasination is right now?

[quartz cloak]

Assa is in the best state design wise I have ever seen it personally

[opaque sigil]

Agreed - I played assa (and generally wow) last time in SL. And holy crap it is fun in dungeon situations right now. Such a well-rounded spec design-wise.

[normal mist]

Not for the Reddit people it isn't

They might not have played the class spec since 2008

[royal lantern]

(orc rogues are shattered hand people lore wise)

[normal mist]

But they miss how it used to be

[royal lantern]

bro, there is a post up rn talking about outlaw

80% of the comments are about "i HATE SHADOW DANCE ON OUTLAW DELETE IT"

the jokes write themself

[normal mist]

[waxen creek]

Yeah but he specifically mentions poisons and bleeds... which is what we currently do

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[mystic kettle]

Good god hahahaha

[round nexus]

going into second kingsbane, do i let envenom fall off and pool energy too 250 or so?

[mystic kettle]

Looking to get some enchants before the raid, any decent alternatives to this hahahaha...

[quartz cloak]

It is such a blasts, best spec I have ever played in M+. It just has everything to feel super smooth and well-rounded. I gonna enjoy it to the max while it lasts 😁
I already found early DF Assa very good but then they even improved it more with the rework. I’m so happy 🕺🏻

[distant plover]

i last played wow in legion, came back in tww and was blown away by the multi rupture talent alone LMAO

easy to please

[normal mist]

Just do it like me, snipe a 50k one and they immediately go 250k afterwards

[round nexus]

a 200k one would be fine on a spark dagger

[royal lantern]

bro

it will be 10k in 2 weeks lol

[round nexus]

ofc it will

[royal lantern]

people just cash in on bug abusing rn lol

for a enchant that is 0,something% better then the other options

[round nexus]

Haven't simmed, so idk the % increase, but if that's the case then yeah it's not worth it

Royal, do you know the answer here?
going into second kingsbane, do i let envenom fall off and pool energy too 250 or so?

[normal mist]

Imagine Im able to resell it for 250k. It's a 200k win!

[normal mist]

Sorry. For the 2nd kingsbane you should probably have like 2 stacks of tea

Which should be enough to comfortably fill in the envenom buffs

[normal mist]

You 100 sure it's a bug?

[round nexus]

Is there no reason to spam envenom and mutilate during kingsbane?

[bronze pike]

It’s like they’re bots

[normal mist]

There is, there's where you want to spam those

The faster you stack kingsbane the better the burst

[grim jay]

that is why its not worth to swap to nelf for offensive purposes

[molten cosmos]

Yo, are the pickpocket consumable for weapon BiS or it's less better than stones?

[normal mist]

Less better

Cheaper

Good option

[round nexus]

Any ideas when the spark advice might come? 🙂

[molten cosmos]

good to know ty

[normal mist]

Probably during heroic or mythic week.

[grim jay]

I refuse to use em and rather spend 2x290g/2h

[round nexus]

damn, would like to craft before heroic

[normal mist]

Any reason in particular?

[grim jay]

a petty reason

they read pretty stupid

[normal mist]

You can
Dagger seems to be a good option, it's a good DPS increase

[grim jay]

why would I wanna splash wax around

I'm a rogue

[normal mist]

XD

[grim jay]

also cba to run around and pickpocket even if its fast

might aswell craft some pots in that time, sell them and even make profit with buying mana oil included

[lament stump]

if cant buy the consumable from AH i will just not use it

[normal mist]

That's fair

But at the same time we then have people complain that "rogue never gets cool stuff and nostalgic abilities are obsolete" like pickpocketing

[lament stump]

they just love to whine

[normal mist]

You bet

[bright crater]

Wait, pots? What do you get when you pickpocket mobs in TWW?

[cobalt sphinx]

wax comes from pickpocketing

the bubbling wax whetstone alternative

[lament stump]

im rlly new but as far as i know from talking to a friend, rogue is in a very good spot rn which im very happy abt i always love the assassin high dmg type of character in every game

so im very happy

[bright crater]

Ooh

[normal mist]

Wax is a rogue only consumable (like whetstones) that you're able to pickpocket after doing a rogue only quest in the second map.
The consumable itself is like 1ish % weaker than the best option in the AH.

[thick shell]

Guys can anyone point me somewhere on how to decently/consistantly do good aoe dmg ? sometimes i do 500 k other times triple that 😒

[normal mist]

Have you seen wowhead/icyveins openers?

[royal lantern]

well

people creating a new character, going to the free acuity guy->buy the 400 acuity cache with the just gained stuff and hope that they get recipe that is supposed to be a raid drop, and delete the character if it isnt the right one

doesnt seem like intentional for me

[lament stump]

im similar and my issue is stamina management do u have times where u are completely out

[swift dagger]

U guys need to spread Ruptures more

[lament stump]

the key btw is too just rupture for more stam

[thick shell]

@normal mist yes so thats legit ?

[lament stump]

yes

[swift dagger]

theres no reason u should be going out of energy

[lament stump]

agree

[swift dagger]

in AOE

[normal mist]

In AoE, if you're playing properly, you have infinite energy

[lament stump]

yea i didnt know it for a long time

[cobalt sphinx]

might be on the wrong spec

[thick shell]

When i go out of stealth im : Ambush -> Garrote spread + rupture spread

[lament stump]

but i been watching vids

[thick shell]

theni'm clueless

i usually spam fok xD

[normal mist]

The guides are legit? Yes

[swift dagger]

I have one word for u: Caustic (splatter)

[whole sand]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thick shell]

i'll look at the method one ty 😄

[whole sand]

its all there gang

[normal mist]

Hopefully the videos of our gorgeous colored hair whispyr

[lament stump]

it absolutely is

[whole sand]

is bubbling wax only 1% behind? for some reason i got it in my head it was garbage

[cobalt sphinx]

1% overall

not 1% effectiveness

[final star]

from what I understand it does nothing in simc right now/isn't implemented correctly

cum soup

[spice surge]

Levy implemented it last night

[final star]

[spice surge]

So with latest it should work

[normal mist]

Oh that's cool

[spice surge]

But having 2 of them doesnt do anything (ingame or in simc)

Or well, anything more than having 1

[whole sand]

where are yall farming it

[final star]

[spice surge]

And from what ive gathered its not actually better than whetstones

[spice surge]

Oh ye need to manually do it

[whole sand]

yeah i get that, just whetstones are gonna be expensive for a bit

[final star]

[spice surge]

Im not at home but if i remember i can tag you once ive done it kieron

[final star]

thankies

[spice surge]

The comparison that is

[whole sand]

genuinely can't remember the last time i used pickpocket

[cobalt sphinx]

@spice surge do you know what it's called in simcraft? "bubbling_wax" isn't working for me

[final star]

idk if it's implemented correctly either

[feral mason]

Whetstones cost like 5k each still so its a nice lil alternative

[cobalt sphinx]

or it isn't in the build i'm using

[feral mason]

For the time being

[final star]

it procs of white melee hits only

[bitter trout]

https://tenor.com/view/bosh-big-john-gif-1191997508994478481

[spice surge]

And poisons

But that seems to be the case ingame too

[cobalt sphinx]

profileset."mana oil"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:algari_mana_oil_3/off_hand:algari_mana_oil_3"

profileset."deep toxins"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:oil_of_deep_toxins_3/off_hand:oil_of_deep_toxins_3"

profileset."bubbling wax"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:bubbling_wax"```

[cobalt sphinx]

this is what i used

[final star]

melee hits not listed in the commit

[whole sand]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[final star]

temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:bubbling_wax```

[cobalt sphinx]

doesn't look like it's on the latest raidbots build yet

[normal mist]

@royal lantern

HOLY

MOLY

MY DUDE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[ripe carbon]

does 1 use of bubbling wax do both weapons? or 2 wax for both weapons?

[normal mist]

I SOLD AUTORITHY OF THE DEPHS FOR 600K

I BOUGHT IT FOR 50K

[ripe carbon]

also how many lockboxes have u guys got while farming wax?

[peak lake]

Bubbling wax is bis ?

[ripe carbon]

i got 1 in the 10mins i farmewd

[final star]

only one application works, you can still use another whetstone.

[royal lantern]

i have 570k rn in total

congratz

you managed to get gold from a total idiot

[normal mist]

LETS FUCKING GO

[final star]

did you actually rng it with acquity

[normal mist]

NOP

[mystic kettle]

Is there ever too much mastery?

[normal mist]

I BOUGHT IT

YESTERDAY

IN THE AH

[final star]

merch king

[royal lantern]

no, he bought it for 50k and managed to sell it to a idiot for 500k

[normal mist]

i have a printscreen

wait

[final star]

someone rng it from acquity

cos it is supposed to drop from queen boss

[cobalt sphinx]

the recipe? or just an enchant

[bronze pike]

What sucker bought that for 600k

[normal mist]

IDK

SOMEONE

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah just an enchant, i was gonna say 600k is really cheap for the recipe

[bronze pike]

Buyers remorse in 24hrs

[normal mist]

its currently sitting at 250k in the AH

[peak lake]

U sold 1 enchant 600k ??

[normal mist]

YES

AHAHAHAH

[royal mango]

whats this for?

[ripe carbon]

for wax farming

#showtooltip Pick Pocket
/targetenemy [harm][no dead]
/cast Pick Pocket
/cleartarget

if ur gonna do it too

[normal mist]

This enchant was in the AH yesterday. Was 80k, i refreshed the page, went to 59k, i bought it, and it went up to 1M afterwards and ever since its been fluctuating .

Then before going to bed i posted it for 600k

[earnest remnant]

people are constantly flipping them atm

[normal mist]

Yeah, i was lucky enough

bought 59k
Sold 600k

[ripe carbon]

135k on my server

[royal mango]

think I've missed the memo. Wax farming?

[ripe carbon]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=83326/the-final-candle bubbling wax. its like a weapon rune

[royal mango]

thanks ❤️

[velvet bridge]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bronze pike]

I’m already in bed

[normal mist]

You're a damn NA

its 11:20am

[bronze pike]

Yep

3:20am

[normal mist]

I'm from the future Rem, i'm here to tell you you're going to have a good day tomorrow

[bronze pike]

Medication makes me not sleep

[earnest remnant]

12:20 for me

noob

[bronze pike]

Poggies, I already know cause imma start decorating for Halloween tomorrow

[normal mist]

POG

[normal mist]

Sorry mister Doctor Who

[wispy apex]

Hello! Is there a reason why you would pick without a trace over cb or er?

[normal mist]

Nop

There is no reason

Its a bad row of talents

And we do NOT recommend them

[cobalt sphinx]

maybe your m+ strat revolves around you double vanishing a boss ability

[normal mist]

What a waste