assassination

[feral mason]

Idek

[half tartan]

What are the best pre-raid trinkets? The spider egg and what would be the second? https://www.wowhead.com/item=217894/nerubian-pheromone-secreter https://www.wowhead.com/item=225654/imperfect-ascendancy-serum ?

[feral mason]

Could be that sim is reattributing stuff oddly

[deep sorrel]

yeah i did, avg hit on a dummy was 244k and sim was 419k

no crit ofc

still a 200k difference with crits in calc

and the sims env buff uptimer was lower than mine so it can't be that

[feral mason]

Is there pvp scaling on envenom and the dummies are pvp mobs?

Might be the simplest oopsie to explain it

[deep sorrel]

maybe?

[quiet flax]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[tired gull]

hit the dummy solo from 100% -> 0%

see how long it takes, then sim for that duration

[deep sorrel]

i changed sim options and it came out way more accurate

couldn't tell u what it was, swapped around like 10 things, but we got to the end result so who gives af

ty appreciatei t

[devout scarab]

https://imgur.com/Fe6qZmZ

should i buy?

[deep sorrel]

think the helms a bit better but yeah i would

so if can only pick 1 i'd go helm first

[tired gull]

if you get a chest with better secondaries, you can upgrade it to 584 with a discount

if you have it

[lapis depot]

Buy it, leave it in inventory, sim it and sell it if its worse

[trim veldt]

big rogue nerf inc

[tired gull]

👍

[spice spire]

?

[runic hinge]

God I hope so. Get these fotm shmucks outta here

[feral mason]

Im a fotm schmuck but im only here because assa channel goers are chill

[tired gull]

if rogue was my first ever character in vanilla and it's pretty much the only class i've ever played in this game, am i still considered a fotm shmuck?

[frank furnace]

is everyone's opinion that the DSM and ER interaction is working as intended? i.e. if we currently hit anima charged finishers it doesn't proc DSM?

[tired gull]

i think everyone thinks it's an unintended interaction, and feels bad, but i don't know if it's been confirmed a bug or intended

[frank furnace]

ye it feels really awkward

[normal mist]

Nothing from Blizzard's part yet, so we HOPE it's a bug

[tired gull]

all i know is, if it is currently a bug and they fix it, it will make ER even better

[frank furnace]

ye if would be really good if it worked properly right, just accelerates DSM and darkest night

[tired gull]

more guaranteed envenom crits with bonus damage is always good

[worn monolith]

whats the sweet spot for rupture + garrote on targets, at what number does it not pay to apply it

[tired gull]

5 ruptures with for scent of blood is kinda my baseline

but.. right now everything dies instantly soooooo

[frank furnace]

ye it's 5 ruptures if targets are living, then just get out as many improved garrotes as possible imo

[worn monolith]

yah, just from DF whenever I played sin I'd always be questioning when to stop rupturing

[tired gull]

depending on how big a pull is, gar gar rup rup gar gar is solid enough for me

[worn monolith]

gave me minor OCD

[tired gull]

at 5 ruptures, pretty sure you just want to be envenoming into spatter

[heavy mountain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[tired gull]

does more damage than an additional rupture

(again, assuming things will live beyond initial application and you need to reapply)

[worn monolith]

thats also where sin starts to fall down for me. If things live long enough that i need to reapply in bulk, is it just tab target for 5?

[tired gull]

that's what i do

[worn monolith]

fok gar tab fok gar tab

etc.

[tired gull]

depending on pack and how long things are living, could see using vanish for ic would be beneficial

[worn monolith]

yeah

wish IC was a button again

we need a finishing move that grants X sec of stealth for every combo point

[strange cargo]

is there a reason to not to my cache reward that is up for 6 days until 11.05 to get the vet reward?

[tired gull]

i just wish we could vanish/enter stealth every 60 seconds while in combat

even if it's literally Stealth has a 60 second cooldown while in combat, and can be used in combat might feel kinda clunky but idk

[errant night]

has anyone seen this guide? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHFTJtMyJVk&t=1s

is it any good?

[stiff tapir]

Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but like it feels so bad when I'm on single target and I'm low energy with no thistle tea. Are we just meant to sit and wait for energy regen or start pooling it?

[tired gull]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[strange cargo]

but i just wanna spam envenom 😦

[frank furnace]

wait for 11.0.5

[tired gull]

You can in aoe 🙂

[strange cargo]

for the cache or the spam? lol

i rolled a dk and liked the dmg, but assa rouge feels FUN to play

[stiff tapir]

That makes sense

[frank furnace]

I hate that ER doesn't proc DSM so much that I've just simmed dropping it for cold blood, and cold blood is a DPS increase?

[strange cargo]

dropping caustic and hitting tempest then envenoms feel crazy

[frank furnace]

is it just because we've got low secondary stats rn?

[normal mist]

!DN

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[normal mist]

Just take out the capstone point and put lethality 2/2

[frank furnace]

ahh

that makes sense, I'm gaining damage from lethality ta

[tired gull]

yeah lethality + er is my highest sim but a small margin

[tall jay]

@frank furnace are you back gaming?

[frank furnace]

maybe

resubbed this week and just getting back into rogue now

probably won't be pushing hof / title though

just play more casually, depends if I'm enjoying the dungeons or not and I might game harder

[frank furnace]

ye it's the same for me - it just makes me cringe when ER doesn't proc DSM so I wanted to play without it lmao

[strange python]

anyone have any good youtubers they recommend? aside from whispyr

[haughty lantern]

also how we feeling about thistle tea becoming an automatic safety net sort of thing?

[spice spire]

Fine

[haughty lantern]

i like it tbh, always a fan of more like.... "hands off" things

[spice spire]

They’re actively worried about button bloat which means they listened at least right?

[haughty lantern]

ye

[strange cargo]

wondering if the proper thing is going into an aoe pack: do you guys spread your garrotes, like instead of opening on one mob, you tab and spread them in the opener

[spice spire]

Yes

[tired gull]

if big pack, gar gar rup rup gar gar

[strange cargo]

ok that makes alot of sense now

rup rup bc u get the refund on stealth opener

then multilate, tempest and proceed evenom rotations on caustic target?

[vague dagger]

have they changed stun dr this xpac??

in m+

[celest helm]

because of IC you dont need to tab, you can just multi dot 1 target and it will spread

[celest helm]

https://tenor.com/view/kisses-gif-25544561

will pay someone to get rid of this sub-trickster role off my discord, im an assass 1 trick save me

[woven shore]

@celest helm since when does Ed sheeran play wow

Didnt know he was a rogue main

[spice spire]

[celest helm]

2008

[woven shore]

[spice spire]

Don’t disrespect the goat

[woven shore]

Jesus

[spice spire]

Sorry rat

[woven shore]

The world is small

[celest helm]

the goat of cooked takes

[spice spire]

Amen

[woven shore]

Its an honor

[woven shore]

Looks like the mount from Shadowlands
Whats the name again

[tired gull]

you can do it this way, however to fully optimize you'll want to put new bleeds on something that doesn't have them already (unless the pack is <= 5)

[spice spire]

Hero the rogue

That’s my favorite mount

[woven shore]

Lmao

That's one ugly ass rat

[tired gull]

talkin shit on rats is maaaad disrespectful smh my head

[woven shore]

I would ride it

We cool D:

[celest helm]

IC is smart cast, it will prio mobs that dont have bleeds already, you can just ambush-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote-CT and you got every dot on everything and DN rolling

[celest helm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[woven shore]

Hahahahahahahahhah

The rat mount

[native nimbus]

Random question, does the silence effect of garrote have diminishing returns? Like say I vanish and repeat the opener mid-pack pull

[woven shore]

I aint no groupy

[void mesa]

You still lose the bleed on the target if you don't tab swap. Double garrote on same target is 5 bleeds, but if you tab you can get 6

[celest helm]

yes silence has a DR unfortunately

[native nimbus]

OK thank you

[void mesa]

Not a huge change, but in some situations it is a gain

[little tulip]

i just paid 15k for the ara kara sacbrood trinket

[woven shore]

What you mean

You PAYED

[celest helm]

you can simplify it, depending on key level i have never needed to tab target to get enough bleeds out, but I also dont know what level of dungeon the question is based on

[little tulip]

aaaaaa :y

[woven shore]

Its rng

If everything grouped

[tired gull]

it's not rng

[woven shore]

No?

[cunning locust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[tired gull]

if you garrote same target, you get 5 garrotes, if you put second garrote on a new target, you get 6

[woven shore]

Does it focuses enemys without the dot?

[tired gull]

yes

[woven shore]

Lol

[celest helm]

yeah its a smart cast

[woven shore]

Poggers

[tired gull]

i just use mouseovers for garrote and rupture, so i don't lose any autoattacks into my marked target to truly optimize

[celest helm]

def overthinking it

[tired gull]

jk my mark disappears due to the weird interactions at times and i currently cba to actually play that optimally

[woven shore]

Forget to get mouseover

Need it

For m0

[keen spruce]

I just tab like a mad man

Tabbed*

[tired gull]

i don't like tab simply for retargeting my spatter target

[mild trail]

Tab to garrote then shift tab back to your main target

[woven shore]

Or just mouseover

Simpler

[keen spruce]

Ctrl+z if you accidentally garrote the same target twice

[celest helm]

just slam dot 1 target call it a day, youll do fine. Never needed to tab target to optimize even in title range keys, the main prio in high keys as assass is mainly to prio damage the main target, so getting dots out then focusing caustic spatter/kingsbane windows to fuck the pack up

[void mesa]

Lmao

[keen spruce]

[static glacier]

what's the difference between deathstalker and fatebound simwise for us? asking out of curiosity

[fallow estuary]

can't decide if i go dagger wrist or double crit :|

[void mesa]

Raid or m+

[tired gull]

just give us soulburn soulswap so we can put all dots on a target immediately

[tired gull]

pure ST FB is about 8% behind ds for me

[spring aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[crimson crest]

Do we try to maximize envenom buff uptime, or just spam envenom whenever we can?

[tired gull]

maximize

[crimson crest]

ty

[tired gull]

in aoe, spam

[short ledge]

in m+ do u want to crimson tempest on st boss or its a dps loss not sure about ?

[tired gull]

don't ct single target

[short ledge]

do you know at how many add its worth ?

[limber lion]

2+

[short ledge]

ty

[limber lion]

There is some single target tech for it too

[celest helm]

CT on ST isnt great, I usually will toss CT once its 2-3 mobs

[limber lion]

But a safe bet without knowing anything is just 2+

[short ledge]

y i see

[void mesa]

Oh? Cursed tech is already here? 👀

[spice spire]

Yes

[void mesa]

Im scared of myself for being curious

[spice spire]

Don’t be

Just keep normal rules

[short ledge]

not even on lethal mark maybe ?

[void mesa]

But what if

[spice spire]

ST CT isn’t real it can’t hurt you

[void mesa]

I want to be spicy

[spice spire]

There are so many criteria that have to be met

[manic pebble]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[void mesa]

Stop baiting me quake

[spice spire]

That it’s not worth thinking about

Legitimately

[manic pebble]

what's this nerubian patch?

[void mesa]

I'll DM you cat pictures for the tech quake

I'll do it

[limber lion]

I mean it's not that giga

It's like 0.3

[spice spire]

Mf I’m trying to save you from yourself

[limber lion]

But if you fuck it up, you lose dps

so

[void mesa]

[spice spire]

It’s like 0.3 gain or like 2% loss

So like

[void mesa]

Me asking to learn about cursed tech while I forgot how to play rogue with no haste x d

[errant night]

can anyone explain what flask i need to use? on method.gg (this is a whispyr's guide) it says it's better to use versatility, but on wowhead it says i need to use alchemical chaos?

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Like I told you earlier, it kinda doesn't matter

What matters is using something

[void mesa]

Did a dummy run and my dps was so shit I almost respecd

[limber lion]

Versatility provides more tankiness

[errant night]

oh ok

[spice spire]

Almost blocked

[limber lion]

You think having any haste would change anything?

No it wouldn't

[void mesa]

Nah I know

Its full mental

[iron valve]

I believe it's Writhing Armor Banding, basically doubles the effects of the dagger

[manic pebble]

oh that one

ty!

[void mesa]

My energy management is just bad cuz im bad

[spice spire]

Real

[void mesa]

After playing other specs for a while, the downtime windoe just felt unnatural

Just gotta get back in the groove of it

[spice spire]

I’m a roguebmain for life.
I’m not picking up brain dead Alts so me no think

[void mesa]

I have an alt addiction problem man, it's tough

[hearty reef]

10% enevenom buff coming

[tired gull]

does the ascension embellishment just rotate a secondary stat every 8 seconds

or does it pick 1 and keep that one for the duration of combat

[celest helm]

this is true, my dad is a blizzard GM

[tawdry flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[runic hinge]

[pliant remnant]

Your dad's ChatGPT?

[hearty reef]

trust

[celest helm]

trust

[remote vector]

@limber lion did you have a chance to look at it?

The opener recording thingy

[zealous wolf]

wowhead raid build is the best one still?

[normal mist]

yes

[zealous wolf]

ty

[blazing mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sHMCwA2ET8vZzzpfr9XvsK

thoughts?

[junior aurora]

[whole sand]

what are we thinking about

[blazing mauve]

general things

sheep maybe

[distant plinth]

Swap to ST

[heavy mountain]

is there any tech behind sudden demise? i barely see it display in my details

[spice spire]

You king

[whole sand]

the tech is to bleed stuff

[limber lion]

Jesus

My man hates guides

[spice spire]

7 minute sim too

Banging

[whole sand]

[blazing mauve]

never read one

literally

[whole sand]

nice

you show em

[limber lion]

Can tell

It's okay

[distant plinth]

Savage

[blazing mauve]

love no context shade

[distant plinth]

[blazing mauve]

just throw it out there

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[whole sand]

the context is on wowhead

[limber lion]

The talents are completely wrong

[junior aurora]

wdym theres all the context you need

[limber lion]

That's the context

You're playing an AoE build, without taking all the AoE talents, in single target

[junior aurora]

cev is allowed to be toxic now

[spice spire]

Always has been

[limber lion]

I'm never toxic

[distant plinth]

Cev and Whisp went bald long time ago

[limber lion]

I'm just honest

[spice spire]

Allowed to be

[distant plinth]

Just keep it bald

[spice spire]

Cev too handsome to be bald

[limber lion]

He wanted thoughts

Those are the thoughts

[junior aurora]

“im not a bitch i just keep it real” energy right there cev lol

[blazing mauve]

yea exactly

[limber lion]

If you want to do more dam, might wanna look into a better talent setup

If not, then you're chilling

Go off king

Do your thing

[celest helm]

have your bleeds out and you will see it

[blazing mauve]

yea this is the first sim ive done before changing my talents

rough draft

[whole sand]

like you're basically asking the chat to tell you what the guide says instead of just reading it

its a bit unfair

[junior aurora]

the final draft is waiting for u on wowhead prince

[feral mason]

hello goobers

[spice spire]

This is how he’s always been? Like being straight forward is his bit.
He means no malice by it.

I’ve known Cev for a while and can list like 2 times he was ever like maliciously mean.
Which is more than I can say for me

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

[whole sand]

i don't think this was for me king

[normal mist]

fuck

[blazing mauve]

maybe king

[normal mist]

chat moved

[whole sand]

no i get it

dw i see how it is

[normal mist]

@blazing mauve check this

[normal mist]

as i selected him to reply, chat moved up LOL

[whole sand]

lmao

[tawny junco]

Does sim take in consideration that echoing reprimend doesn’t work with the deathstalker mark?

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Well, not always to be fair. Back in Castle Nathria I kept the happy, fun act up

[remote vector]

@limber lion ?

[limber lion]

Oh sorry, not atm.

[remote vector]

oh ok

[limber lion]

Have you read the guide and done the rotation as its in the guide?

[junior aurora]

you had to fake it back then to try to manifest happiness in that tier

[limber lion]

I can check out a clip but unfortunately don't have time to jump in vc atm

Sorry

[remote vector]

ye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3vMvba8xqI

[whole sand]

i miss castle nathria

[fallow estuary]

Hm - does sim APL not use FOK after mark applys?

[normal mist]

If using VV, nop

[fallow estuary]

Ahh! Cheers

[limber lion]

It's almost there. You would want to build to a bigger Envenom or Envenom with the ER combo point to get a long enough Envenom that your Deathmark/KB window is inside of it

You used an Envenom at 2cp and it basically runs out immediately after, which kinda serves no purpose

[remote vector]

After Reprimand?

[limber lion]

You want to maximize Envenom uptime during the KB window and it takes like 3 seconds to get it rolling

So you need at least 6s of Envenom to apply everything, then to build to a high cp Envenom and then to finally use the Envenom

[limber lion]

Yes

[remote vector]

thats what the guide tells me to do :d

[whole sand]

i think the opening graphic assumes you get an ER on 3 and then land 3 CP for a full envenom

but you should build with a muti if you don't get lucky

[limber lion]

Are you playing Vicious Venoms?

[sick bridge]

Since when is crit not valuable to Assassination

[remote vector]

ya

[limber lion]

Right, it's missing a "build to 5+ cp" there after the ER

[spice spire]

Would rather you be your genuine self

[fallow estuary]

The mut is missing there - probably since without VW you FOK there

[limber lion]

Without VV it says to use FoK to consume Clear the Witness

[limber lion]

I think my genuine self is a bit of a mix of both

[remote vector]

Ye

[limber lion]

But Whispyr is similar, have you seen his early google sheet log reviews he used to do?

He's a demon now compared to those times

Just like me baby

[remote vector]

Dunno what that means

i know VV and FoK

[limber lion]

Yeah, but since you play VV you should build to 5+ CP

[remote vector]

But how does the CtW affect me?

[limber lion]

It doesn't because you play VV

[lucid meteor]

Opener wrong

[limber lion]

With VV, Mutilate is on a higher priority than FoK

[quasi gust]

can you macro cb to envenom

[limber lion]

But if you didn't play VV, you would consume the CtW proc that you get from Deathstalker

[normal mist]

Who said that?

[limber lion]

Yes

[remote vector]

which is better? With or without VV?

[limber lion]

Without for PURE single target

For 2+ and cleave and whatnot you wouldn't play it

[zealous wolf]

is the stonebound artistry a good replacement enchant for now?

[quasi gust]

Thank you

[remote vector]

Does it change a whole lot?

[limber lion]

I also noticed that you play RC which you probably shouldn't do as it's bugged

[hoary remnant]

7min?

[limber lion]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[limber lion]

Not really, you just consume the proc you get from CtW whenever you can and that's it

So instead of pressing Mutilate after ER you would press FoK

once

[zealous wolf]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[half tartan]

Are most people going to be playing sin or sub for first few weeks?

[normal mist]

I'm playing sin

idk about other people

[tired gull]

sin4lyf

[remote vector]

what do i talent instead of VV then?

[limber lion]

@remote vector and other stuff that you do during KB is not finishing when you land on an animacharged combo point

And also using a generator at 5CP

[tired gull]

(spec doesn't matter if your guild isn't pushing top world rankings)

[limber lion]

You should always use a finisher at 5 or more cp

[crimson crest]

in dungeons, what % of envenom uptime is supposed to be good?

[jaunty matrix]

wowhead talents put one point in lethality and 2 on ER

hmm

[normal mist]

we dont know yet

dungeons end too quickly

[crimson crest]

alright, thanks

[remote vector]

Animacharged? xD

[normal mist]

in case it gets fixed bcs we believe its a bug

[tired gull]

yeah right now envenom uptime doesn't matter, you just want to spam them into spatter

[jaunty matrix]

[limber lion]

Read what Echoing Reprimand does

[limber lion]

Sanguine Blades and Improved Poisons

[remote vector]

Wouldnt that counter what ppl said about staying below 50% ?

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

Still better to stay under 50% and then get the benefit of it during Deathmark and other cds

[normal mist]

Sanguine exist during CDS and when you can't hit the boss for whatever reason

[limber lion]

When you go above 50% automatically

[normal mist]

^

[limber lion]

For now...

[remote vector]

Waitwaitwait what

I am even more confused now 😄

[limber lion]

You'll get it

Just practice

And take it one step at a time

[whole sand]

okay i had to test on a dummy to make sure i wasn't insane, if your ER crits and also lands on 3, the opening sequence is right

but that's a % i am unaware of how to calculate

[normal mist]

I believe there's something missing in the opener sequence, i atleast am casting MUT if i dont land on either blue or 5+

[limber lion]

It is missing a mutilate cast, that's all

It says to cast FoK with CTW

But nothing when you play VV

It's just missing a mutilate, that's it

[normal mist]

yeah thats what i thought

[limber lion]

Just like I said 3 or 4 times now

lol

[normal mist]

No idea

not reading chat today

[limber lion]

Based

I should also be sleeping

🥱

waking up at 6am

[normal mist]

Not as "i will not read chat", i was just busy and not paying much attention xD

[tired gull]

4:30am every day

[limber lion]

Yuk

[tired gull]

what will i put in my 4 keybind when we don't have to press snd any more

[limber lion]

A fun toy

[crisp stream]

for prog, fatebound or DA?

[tired gull]

could depend on the boss tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight reef]

are the rogues specs gonna get any good changes anytime soon?

[limber lion]

What's the DA acronym

What does it stand for?

But both are fine

[limber lion]

No one knows

[crisp stream]

DS i meant

[limber lion]

Maybe?

Yes?

No?

[tired gull]

deathstAlker

[limber lion]

Your guess is as good as ours

[midnight reef]

Also im not super great at rogue but i do wanna play it this expac

[tired gull]

i could see fatebound with double shadowstep being useful on silken court? depending on how your tanks are with stacking

[whole sand]

there's gonna be some weird encounters for DS

first boss i think you're going to need vanish after his intermission, but by looking at some timings on beta vids (which obliviously are irrelevant) it seemingly lined up on CD

but for most of them DS looks good, i might swap off on like broodtwister

[tired gull]

if i have a pull where dsm falls off for whatever reason, i'm just swapping, cba to try to minmax it

[little tulip]

yeah damn it 😦

[fallow estuary]

just noticed, i dont really need to track shiv if i talented into lightweight, no?

since i allways use it with KB anyway

so i can scrap it off my ui

[tired gull]

pretty much

[whole sand]

why is your slice and dice up in the sky

its floating away

[fallow estuary]

my brain cant handle cuddled information

so i spread icons

[limber lion]

Sure, but how do you know when to use the second Shiv

[fallow estuary]

around the middle of my screen

[fallow estuary]

after first one expires - i mean track the CD of shiv

not the debuff on the enemy

[limber lion]

But how do you know when it expires?

[fallow estuary]

nameplates

[limber lion]

What if it's a massive boss where the nameplate is in the sky

And you cannot see it

[whole sand]

wait are yall tracking shiv off its cd?

[ivory oriole]

just craft crit/mastery gear ye? or wha

[limber lion]

Sure

[fallow estuary]

fair enoug, might need smth for that

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limber lion]

That's why most of us use weakaura packages for single target/raid

And nameplates for AoE/Mythic+

[fallow estuary]

i advise simming it - crit is way behind hastew/mastery for me

[limber lion]

What does way behind mean?

[tired gull]

Yeah, and for me, mastery and crit are equal with haste being VERY slightly behind, and then vers is very close to haste

[limber lion]

Like 100 dps?

[fallow estuary]

12.3k mastery - 8.4k haste - 4k crit

sims still says go haste/mastery for enchants / crafts

or atleast its even now with crit and haste

[limber lion]

What sim?

Top gear?

[fallow estuary]

yes

[limber lion]

Soo, where did you get this "way behind" from?

At the end of the day, they're all the same

It's a different name and effect

for the same dps

[fallow estuary]

wdym - my character has WAY lower crit and topgear still said haste/mast

so i advise simming instead of simply building crit mast

[ivory oriole]

ok ok

[proven bridge]

does Thistle Tea not work in macro with anything?

[limber lion]

Yeah doesn't really work like that but yeah it's whatever

[limber lion]

No

But it's gonna be passive with the next patch

So whatever

[normal mist]

you "can" macro it to shiv

[limber lion]

No

[normal mist]

its both D:

[limber lion]

Do not advise macroing it to Shiv

[normal mist]

Tea won't be 100% passive

[proven bridge]

I've been trying to macro it to Shiv but it doesnt seem to actually work when i press iot

it*

[limber lion]

Yeah it won't be

But for people who ask about macroing it to something, it will be

[limber lion]

Shiv has a gcd, tea doesn't

[edgy trellis]

is there a macro to target the highest hp ennemy nearby ?

[limber lion]

So it probably uses the tea, but doesn't use the Shiv

[normal mist]

fair answer.

[limber lion]

You have to use it when you're not gcd locked

But yeah, don't macro it

They function entirely differently and have different conditions

[limber lion]

No

[woven shore]

Lazy ass mofo

😂😂😂😂

On dk had to run first boss 36 runs to get it

Im a fucking nerd

Proud nerd

[limber lion]

Very good

[woven shore]

Rogs gota go to worg

[coral agate]

Ok, you're more than welcome to yell at me but I'm a bit confusd on Envenom. I've seen the bot before that says running out of energy is expected in single target so does that mean:
(A) I shouldn't spam Envenom and should let it's duration run so that the poisons are being applied and pool energy during this period with just AAs? If so, is there a WA to track the Envenom debuff? I have searched but can't find a working one.
(B) I should still just do the rotation and just keep using Evenom when not during the 1 minute burst window and when low on energy just AA?

[tired gull]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rotund oak]

no one is yelling at you

why we would

[tired gull]

it's a pretty common question and not super intuitive compared to other classes, so completely understandable

[coral agate]

Sorry I didn't mean it like that, I just meant that I'm sure you guys get the question a lot and it has to be infuriating to constantly answer it. Just confused on that.

Thank you for the clarification though!

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[tired gull]

i'm so ready for raid and m0 and m+

[whole sand]

yeah gonna be real this spec is dumb af

[limber lion]

You use Envenom when it's in pandemic to ensure the most uptime. You only spam it during cds.

All weakaura packages should have some sort of Envenom weakaura built in

[whole sand]

but i like it because of it

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[coral agate]

Interesting, I use Luxthos but I don't have an Envenom tracker on it

[tired gull]

luxthos tracker is the green bar under combopoints

[rotund oak]

u can create a custom one

[coral agate]

...

Woooooooooow, I'm dumb

Thank you!!!

[tired gull]

https://media.wago.io/screenshots/HJe5_pfNm/669fe97279d69909d5d98231.gif

[coral agate]

Thank you so much! I never noticed that and was going crazy trying to maximize Envenom

[cyan summit]

do u ever use instant poison ? or is it always deadly / amplyfiying ?

[rotund oak]

always deadly amp on dtb

[tired gull]

only instant if you have DTB without amp

[coral agate]

Last question, do you fully let Garrote run out when it's an improved version? Seems like a DPS loss to do it during a pandemic window if it's improved

[tired gull]

Yes

[coral agate]

I assuemd so but better safe than sorry

Thank you guys so much

[cyan summit]

thanks guys

[proper tapir]

You can pandemic it with vanish to keep it up during DM

[rotund oak]

is there even any build with dtb without amp

we literally take dtb for amp

[tired gull]

i don't think so, but sometimes people like to be goofin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1282049539376808026/image.png?ex=66ddf12d&is=66dc9fad&hm=67dcd0309fbb051cf706c5e700d8be9a09ed2a8f3a04e858461afb7073559980&

huh

[coral agate]

Ah yes, that one I do, it's when it's after the window that I assumed we let it drop before reapplying

[chilly herald]

WAIT WTF? Improved Garrote doesn't snapshot? It means we can't roll fully improved garrote on a boss after initial application from Stealth?

[rotund oak]

anything but metric ik

[proper tapir]

Nah

[nova wolf]

i guess if there is no competition you get to set the price

[coral agate]

I would think that you should be snapshotting it with a Deathmark + Vanish + Garrote during opener

[royal lantern]

the enchant is not avaible yet

It drops in the raid

[lone parrot]

is the darkest night buff bugged in that it doesnt trigger with echoing reprimand?

[royal lantern]

yes

[tired gull]

bugged likely, but still uncertain if it's actually intended or not

[nova wolf]

welp

[coral agate]

I'm beginning to wonder if it's a bug or working as intended at this point

[lone parrot]

its so annoying 😦

feels such a chore to build 7 combos after doing bleeds and slice

[rotund oak]

yes its listed on the bug list,its a bug

[coral agate]

Has Blizzard commented on it yet? (I know I know...Blizzard and communication isn't the best, no offense)

[normal mist]

Nop

[remote vector]

Do you think Twin Fang Instruments is any good for Raid/EarlyM+?

[normal mist]

Sim it

Altough most people been chasing this:

[remote vector]

i did, but thats not always super reliable, especially with use trinkets

[whole sand]

wait what

is that EU or US?

[rotund oak]

and remnant of shadow

someone's been farming them bis trinkets

[normal mist]

Who

[rotund oak]

its a rogue friend of mine

u dont know him

[tired gull]

i cba to spend the time to farm pre season bis

[cyan summit]

but sometimes i dont get full combo points , should i still rupture ?

this is for ST

[normal mist]

I had luck, dropped mine in a Random heroic

xD

I have a grand total of 2 heroic items equiped

DUNGEON items

[proper tapir]

You should have 5, we finish at 5 cp

[rotund oak]

no one is pointing fingers or blaming here 🫶

[whole sand]

i'm full heroic

someones gotta support the people through their trying times

[normal mist]

Yo i know man dw, i'm just telling you i CBA farming heroics

[tired gull]

i got lucky and had DH and 2 druids in a couple of my heroics that didn't need gear, so they funneled all their drops to me

sittin cozy at 580.75

[whole sand]

im still trying to get the enchant from priory

[rotund oak]

🐀

[kind walrus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

same

xD

[tired gull]

[velvet vault]

WTF ? how they dropped the pattern ?

[floral fractal]

coming back to game, does dagger placement matter in retail?

[sand trellis]

Yes in your hands

[rotund oak]

also the full pvp set farmed

[tired gull]

big dagger main hand

[normal mist]

1 night

[whole sand]

EU?

[floral fractal]

that's what i figured. so big dagger MH. got it

[velvet vault]

yeh

[cyan summit]

dont go for 7?

[little tulip]

for some reason our priest healer got it and i figured what the heck

[tired gull]

always finish with 5 or more, and always 7 with envenom for darkest night

[proper tapir]

No, only to apply mark with envenom if you have darkest night buff

[blazing mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ptxHKt3dUAK974ofC5J5Wn

new st sim

[tired gull]

solid

mine is about 3k dps lower running those talents vs the raid st build

[normal mist]

NA?

[whole sand]

no its EU apparently

[limber lion]

Much better

Almost there

[whole sand]

you didn't

[normal mist]

i felt like gambling

[limber lion]

Putting up for sale for 500k?

[normal mist]

1M

[limber lion]

Nice

glgl

[whole sand]

control the market

tbh 60k for that rn is nuts

[normal mist]

now someone posted for 300k

now 500

[whole sand]

that means there's a got to be a few people who just got it

[normal mist]

i love it

[whole sand]

i wonder if it dropped from like, theatre chest or something

[orchid cedar]

isn't power like almost there with depths

and is better for M+?

[whole sand]

jfc

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-dark-ranger-hunter-visuals-11-0-5-hero-talent-rework-346520

dw guys we got coins

[warm parcel]

you can buy rng box with AA

and get the recipe

[whole sand]

oh shit

[storm forum]

Damn

[little tulip]

no it's crasy lol

[whole sand]

600 AA

[storm forum]

I need some acuity

Too bad a spent a bunch on blue scissors last night

[feral mason]

I wonder how expensive crafts are gonna be on big servers

Since crafters can only do like 3 max rank crafts every few days

Tarren mill crafts were already like 20k before this

[storm forum]

Concentration costs probably big for a couple months

[feral mason]

I think it might crack 6 digits

For a single craft

Max rank crafts are pretty dumb though at the start, myth crest costs 90

6 upgrades you’d miss out on

[velvet vault]

EU

even this is in AH

[brave lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

yeah i just bought one for 50k

[slate crown]

Sweet jesus that's what I was going to look up

oh that's only on eu

[abstract needle]

how bad is it not to play with rogue wa? i feel like its too messy but i still have to figure out a way to track rapture and garrote

[normal mist]

it isnt bad, i dont play with rogue WA BUTTTTT i play with something else

[slate crown]

wait none of those patterns are on NA yet...

[abstract needle]

whats that?

[whole sand]

scripts

[little tulip]

eu is bizarro economy they actually have enough people on every battlegroup to uhh cause lower prices...

[normal mist]

Tell Me When, an addon

Basically an WA but older

[abstract needle]

does it track garrote and rapture on a target?

[whole sand]

oh my god tell me when

[crisp stream]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pd4Ng42MACKfhs5Kp8JtyW

drained out gearing

[normal mist]

I choose what i track like an WA yeah

i've learned how to track stuff by looking at my right

let me showcase

[abstract needle]

mind sharing the profile?

[normal mist]

(i'm not doing a proper rotation, let this be said)

[limber lion]

Surely those anchors are not there when you actually play the game, right?

[normal mist]

I like it like this

[limber lion]

Okay phew

[normal mist]

you can see up

[limber lion]

Jesus where's the plater

[minor swift]

this one doesnt sound too bad doesi it

[limber lion]

[normal mist]

turned off because i kept jumping from alt to alt and forgot to disable plater on "alt" specific

[iron carbon]

I start feelin anxiety

[normal mist]

and forgot to turn it back on

[little tulip]

idk about tracking deadly, you're gonna get it on everyone

[limber lion]

Okay good, I was starting to be scared you played like that normally

Saved

[little tulip]

same w/ bone spike

[abstract needle]

how your garrote is aoe

[limber lion]

Indisciminate Carnage

[grim mauve]

guys is whispering umbral mantle from stonevault worth farming if I have the gem waded shoulders rep piece

[little tulip]

veteran track > adventurer

[normal mist]

@limber lion better? 😛

[limber lion]

Yes sir, I do have some complaints though

[whole sand]

something about tell me when and those damage number fonts has transported me back 10 years

[normal mist]

I know you do hehehe

[limber lion]

But I can keep them to myself

Like double spatter, double mark, massive ig

shit I mean

nevermind

I do really like the basic design of the plater

[whole sand]

i feel like im in the middle of a pvp video

[normal mist]

thanks, i've started using TMW back in Cata

[whole sand]

i kinda love it

[limber lion]

Might wanna fix the timers as well

[little tulip]

yeah i've been trying to get it since last tuesday but noone has said how the proc rate is, if it's weirdly low or the uptime is bad it's gonna lose to other trinkets

[limber lion]

Omnicd jank

[hearty pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Also why is the omnibar anchor there and not hidden

Okay I'm done

lol

[rotund oak]

i like what im seeing

[indigo meadow]

are you guys sending your spark before heroic?

[limber lion]

No

[normal mist]

I accept criticism actually

[little tulip]

if you have money for multiple enchanted nascent crests*** it's probably viable

[indigo meadow]

why? i don't see how crafting one of your bis crafts can be bad.

[whole sand]

whats the bis craft

[normal mist]

then why you ask

[indigo meadow]

bc im trying to get another opinion?

[little tulip]

there's some cool set bonuses in the crafted gear tbh

[limber lion]

• Fix the timers, there's currently 2 duration timers on top of each other both with different font and colors. Probably omnicd adding it's own timers.

• Why color the nameplate green, if you're still gonna track Spatter?

• Same as above, but for Deathstalker's Mark.

• Why is Improved Garrote so massive where it overlaps with stuff a bunch? Not sure if that's super necessary.

• Do you move the Omnibar a lot or why is the anchor there?

• Is the spatter tracker necessary on the right if you already have it twice on the plater?

Sorry just my ocd and tism ticking

[normal mist]

No worries

[limber lion]

lol

[normal mist]

let me check

SO, OmniCD is gone

Would you believe i don't actually look at nameplates that often, and mostly to my right?

[limber lion]

Can probably just turn off the plater timers instead then

[normal mist]

thats why both spatter and DSM are being tracked on the right

[limber lion]

I do that in single target too, but in AoE I only stare at nameplates

Fair enough

[normal mist]

The question about garrote being so massive, i have absolutely no idea why, let me try to understand why (which isnt bad, atleast i know they are silenced)

maybe a pvp addon?

[limber lion]

Why does the duration of DSM overlap with the stack count? Just move the stack size to the bottom and make it smaller, or barely outside the wa

[limber lion]

BigDebuffs

[wicked spire]

crafting one of your bis crafts might not actually be bis

[normal mist]

EXACTLY

[little tulip]

indiscriminate carnage is really really good

[limber lion]

sure is

[limber lion]

Yeah I just have it turned off entirely because Plater does the same thing

[wicked spire]

for most players crafting a dagger is likely going to give you a better DPS increase than e.g. crafted boots

[little tulip]

the more you use plater the better it gets tbh you just have to give time to getting it how you like it

[indigo meadow]

crafting a dagger is troll asf even if you get unlucky in raid you just spam mythic 0 with a daily lockout all week until you get one.

[little tulip]

but again what the blizzard nameplates do lol

[limber lion]

Yeah and after spending dozens if not hundreds of hours making the UI perfect with all the perfect weakauras and platers, what's better than the entire UI resetting randomly one day

[fresh mulch]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[limber lion]

🕺

[warped wadi]

Will Radiant power be worth having on both daggers? or does it only proc once kind of deal?

[desert cove]

🕺

[limber lion]

Blizzard nameplates are not really customizable

[rotund oak]

if u dont look at nameplates u dont rly need them with the custom WAs uve cooked.This UI smells pvp so much,clean and all,love it

[little tulip]

i malded when the dps meter lost it's alpha channel in the prepatch lol bet

[wicked spire]

ah yes let me spend 3 hours every day for 7 days running mythic0s

[little tulip]

but yeah i think classes get designed around the blizzard ui with airquotes

[normal mist]

@limber lion removed the DSM timer text and just left the amount of stacks showing, looks better. As for the the BIG garrote (silence) next to the plater, its actually pretty interesting to me knowing WITH THAT BIG OF A GARROTE they are silenced and cant cast.

[indigo meadow]

alr lol go ahead craft a dagger week 1 Xd

[abstract needle]

why do i still have the default blizzard castbar with the whispyr WA? how do i disable it?

[limber lion]

I mean I get the big debuff for sure, but does it have to be THAT big? lol

[normal mist]

This was cooked back when i was pvping in cata yeah

[limber lion]

Like it's the size of 2 platers and they overlap with each other

[normal mist]

I never touched the addon itself, let me check if i can make it smaller, a petit peu

[rotund oak]

this is very similar to what i was doing back my good days as well,the nostalgia and all,its real man

[rotund oak]

[little tulip]

it's like you've got a 1080 and don't care that most people are on laptops for some developers

[limber lion]

Like this is a bit messy in active combat

[little tulip]

i think it's unethical as shit lol

[normal mist]

already searching for a solution :3

[limber lion]

[whole sand]

you have to keep the damage font

i have become attached to it

[limber lion]

I don't have damage numbers

AMA

[whole sand]

neither do i

[limber lion]

woah

[whole sand]

but let me live vicariously

[fresh mulch]

whats the raid buff/debuff that rogue brings?

[wicked spire]

I mean given that a crafted dagger gives maybe 3x the DPS increase of crafted bracers/boots (which are the BIS crafted items for assa), it's almost certainly worth it over the other two in early weeks if you raid

[limber lion]

atrophic poison

[stoic needle]

I use classic damage and hide everything that's not a crit bigger than 1 mil

So i can get my dopamine but not have a cluttered screen

[wicked spire]

so if you're prioing your guilds raid prog, i'm pretty sure crafting a dagger is the optimal choice - even if you do spam m0s before raid night

[little tulip]

yeah the problem is the team fortress 2 invasion update, the project lead tried to eat a level designer in a lawsuit and forced valve to clean house

it's so ugly 😦

[normal mist]

I swear to god i can't find the option to make it smaller anywhere

[limber lion]

disable it

then add it to plater instead

[little tulip]

kidney shot jester :y

[limber lion]

Plater has "Special Debuffs" which does exactly that

[normal mist]

I'll be honest, i have no idea how to do that without someone literally guiding my hand, i've download Whispyr's plater and called it a day

[limber lion]

It's very easy!

Just open /plater

Open the Special Debuffs tab

[normal mist]

[limber lion]

Type in Improved Garrote in to the box

Then change the size and whatever you want

Done!

:)

I have Deathmark and KB there personally

So they don't clutter the small debuff-frame, but still very easy to track on the priority target

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[little tulip]

idk i like that icehud can display icons for stuff

[limber lion]

But mine is obviously a lot smaller

[little tulip]

i know when i have darkest night or outlaw rogue buffs

[limber lion]

But you can make it big and closer to the bar if you want

[little tulip]

yeah i can scale the icon and it's independant of other hud elements

but it's plater levels of grief to setup

there's a copy paste function but it's like cringe

[runic hinge]

Have you updated yours lately? Still says November of last year

[little tulip]

weak auras are better but yeah

[limber lion]

No, but there's nothing to update. Nothing has changed

I will eventually add Deathstalker's Mark on it

But like it works exactly as it should

Will probs update it next week once I have money to buy the game

[sturdy sequoia]

r we still goin to pool to stay above 150? or pump all energy down? 😁

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

With the new tea, we want to stay above 50% so it doesn't proc automatically

[normal mist]

should it look like this?

[limber lion]

Yeah! Then you just change the Width/Height to the desired size

[sturdy sequoia]

yea in ~2 month, and now we go to pump all down as i see right?

[limber lion]

For Kingsbane/Deathmark I have the "only mine" checked as other's cd's don't matter

but for Improved Garrote it's a good shout to leave it unticked

[limber lion]

Yeye

[normal mist]

Do i need to make "accept" or "save" anywhere? doesn't seem to show the silence

[limber lion]

Oops

Not Improved Garrote

It's Iron Wire

Oopsie

[balmy condor]

It’s the usual boss tips/m+ tips/tier set overview pages

[normal mist]

I wanted to ask if it was really I.garrote, but didn't want to sound dumb xD

[limber lion]

Yeah no, I'm the dumb one here :P

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah it works

[limber lion]

Let's gooo

[minor gate]

Is there a reason we aren’t using dashing anymore or is it just other stuff if better

[limber lion]

Other stuff is better

Also some bugs

[minor gate]

Or does the energy from hero talents make it redundant

[balmy condor]

Dashing is better for some single target builds

[normal mist]

@limber lion getting better Cev, i could try to make all my trackers smaller a bit too

[balmy condor]

But we haven’t used it in a while

[minor gate]

I see

[limber lion]

Looking good, but you HAVE to fix the double timers stacking on top

There is no reason to have that yellow tracker there

[normal mist]

i didnt even saw that

why the hell is that there

[crisp stream]

does this look okay for DS hybrid hc dungeon ( its overall )

[limber lion]

WoW itself adds timers, Plater adds its own timers

And OmniCD adds its timers

[crisp stream]

had a hard time stealthing*

[indigo meadow]

its only a temporary increase for a lot less damage the following week, bc if you send your spark on dagger by the time the other spark comes around you could've had 2 embellishments + dagger from either raid of mythic 0s or even m+ at that point. mythic doesnt even open till the 17th.

[limber lion]

It's one of those

[normal mist]

Omnicd is off

maybe wow itself

[limber lion]

Could be

[deep sorrel]

you guys think on resha'nan ct is worth over indiscriminate?

timers on add release are weird

[limber lion]

Maybe

[limber lion]

Ey much better

[normal mist]

It was omniCC

[limber lion]

That's the one

Too many omni's

OmniCD, CC, Bar, what else

[iron valve]

omniman

[normal mist]

It looks so much cleaner omg

[indigo meadow]

Do the current sims we have not factor in Zoldyck Recipe? since target has to be under 35% health?

[limber lion]

I love how previously you sometimes had moments where the yellow number was higher than the white number below it

Yeah this new one is definitely the way to go heh

[limber lion]

Sims do take that into account

Sims basically fight a raid boss 10 000 times

And each fight is 4 to 6 minutes long

Because 5 minute sims have 20% variance

[indigo meadow]

yeah i get that part but the boss stays 100% health like a dummy or does it die at exactly the time you choose to end?

[deep sorrel]

if u on patchwerk its health goes down as normal

[limber lion]

No, it goes down normally

It's not a dummy

[indigo meadow]

okay this is what i wanted to know.

[limber lion]

It's a boss

[normal mist]

One of them was actually putting the timer on my TMW

[onyx linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[normal mist]

now my TMW has no timers xD

[limber lion]

And no it does not do at 5 minutes

Because there's variance

You would have to sim without variance if you want to sim an exact fight length

[limber lion]

What's TMW?

[whole sand]

man i remember needing omnicc back in the day

[normal mist]

the "wa" you see on the right side, Tell me when

[limber lion]

Oh yeah

[whole sand]

this entire thing is very nostalgic to watch

[limber lion]

Weakauras 🔛 🔝

[little tulip]

blind focus and uh gouge focus for 2v2s

still got owned by 2k rogues in cata lol

him pvp trinket is stll down if you start your rotation without eating but scrubs eat and try

[indigo meadow]

just trying to figure out for myself, where assassination makes up their damage at ik everyone saying its goated and ik outlaw sims higher than reality, yada yada i get all that. but its like 150k gap between the two specs w/ fully crafted 590 gear. just seems like a lot

[limber lion]

And that it is

Assa is not great at single target

It's not "goated"

It's not great

[zealous wolf]

do you use shiv outside of kingsbane with the raid build?

[limber lion]

Not with 2 shivs

[little tulip]

assassin really needs vanish to keep its damage up for bigger trash pulls, outlaw rogue does better even if it doesn't have broadside/grand compass as long as it has adrenaline rush

[limber lion]

No it does not

He's talking about single target first of all

Assa is good at AoE

But not great in single target

[indigo meadow]

im talking about ST patchwerk anyways.

sin rogue is just too energy starved on the back end of a raid boss.

[whole sand]

what

[little tulip]

i dunno dungeon slice is more accurate

but i'm just a scruib

don't mind me

[limber lion]

Energy starved or not, you can still do a billion damage

[normal mist]

FIXED, turned on WoW timers

[wicked spire]

2nd spark comes same day as normal raid opens. embellishments are only adding like 0.7% DPS which is a lot less than you'll get by crafting a dagger. if you're lucky you might get a dagger from raid but it certainly isn't guarenteed

[limber lion]

Doesn't mean anything

It's just class design

[limber lion]

Very nice

[whole sand]

we're gaming

[limber lion]

But yeah, currently Assa is just a bit undertuned for ST

Our tier set doesn't really contribute much so that's already one painpoint

And then there's a bunch of bugs

[little tulip]

just saying sin needs vanish to work in sloppier pulls

[limber lion]

It doesn't.

[kind ore]

how much are u guys doing in st dummy?

[wide dome]

What 4 poisons are we supposed to use for PvE?

Can't find in guide... cntrl F on it too...

[limber lion]

Amp, Deadly, Crippling, Atrophic/Numbing

[wide dome]

thank you 🙂

[limber lion]

Np

[hexed frost]

Shame that meadery isn't in this season's pool. The bee trinket is absolutely broken lmao

[shy pecan]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[limber lion]

Too slow Eddieboy

[shy pecan]

[little tulip]

ew ptr smell

[indigo meadow]

billion damage or not its still 150k dps less than outlaw. If theres a few fights with damage amp phases sub and sin can pull ahead but in the first 4 or 5 bosses i looked at no damage amp phases you can hold CDs for.

[little tulip]

[normal mist]

@limber lion okay what else you think should need change?

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly, it is what it is.

[shy pecan]

Wait, are you using WAs now?

[limber lion]

Just saying that there's no magic damage that we get once the raid opens

We are undertuned for single target and that's that.

[limber lion]

Well you're tracking DSM 3 times

[shy pecan]

[limber lion]

Not sure if the small debuff is needed on the plater itself

If you're tracking it on the side and as the plater color itself

But honestly not super biggie and kinda whatever

[indigo meadow]

everyone on the beta was raving about sin rogue is it just cause its really good in m+ with prio kingsbane dmg on mobs?

[dark token]

More like 190k

[normal mist]

Not yet brother not yet, but hey! got a plater running already, and fixed some overlaping shit thx to Cev!

[limber lion]

Sin Rogue was and is good in Mythic+, but it falls flat in single target.

Also tuning has happened for many other specs, but not really for us

So other specs are getting buffs, but we're still the same

[shy pecan]

#soon

[dark token]

Blizz balances around raid anyway

I would anticipate St buffs if we are in a bad place after bugfixes

[runic hinge]

Imagine assa ends up being M+ niche spec