I wanna see a log and your sim
#assassination
runic hinge
balmy condor
Yeh would need to see the sim and the log
storm hedge
How big of a loss ER bug is?
balmy condor
Like 1-2%
strange python
i did that with 590 gear but yeah will save for wens ( oce player) so will see if anymore tuning
so if it does get nerfed we just doing double crit right
balmy condor
Yeh
strange python
easy hope it stays that way we got a good wep ready for raid lol
strange python
ah yeah okay awsome ty
balmy condor
Np
balmy condor
Worse with Resounding Clarity?
Worse compared to now
lusty narwhal
Whats the ‘patch’ embellishment, am I blind
ripe carbon
vestal wren
Maybe I should
you can wait, embellishments are rly low impact
balmy condor
!stats
Fuu :(
Moroes broke
But it’s only chat commands
Off topic commands and pins work
fair coyote
he is having lunch in karazhan
lusty narwhal
you can wait, embellishments are rly low impact
Yeah was planning to, thankfully we have some options
Was second guessing a little
raven night
on target dummies singular focus is putting me back incombat, but its also breaking stealth
is that normal
yea it doesnt break stealth if i only dot the marked target
raven egret
Still no fix to the ER bug 😦
Considering the PTR doesnt even address this at all, I again question if it is a bug to begin with in blizzard's mind
ripe carbon
so on ST when we get darkest night up we want to push for 7 cp?
vestal wren
moroes is online, weird
frank furnace
what's the prio on using ER buffed combo points? do we just use ER points whenever we can?
spiral gale
so on ST when we get darkest night up we want to push for 7 cp?
yeah it's the only way to get DSM back on the target aside from vanish+ambush no?
balmy condor
what's the prio on using ER buffed combo points? do we just use ER points whenev...
Whenever you land on them yeh
Just like usual
Play normally and whatever happens happens
frank furnace
💜 ty
balmy condor
Np homie
raven egret
yeah it's the only way to get DSM back on the target aside from vanish+ambush no...
It is. You got 30 seconds to reapply mark with a 7cp Envenom.
mystic kettle
I keep, drying out on energy ST do I just need to be more wait a little longer on Envenoms? I'm trying to hit the it before the buff slips off
raven egret
!pooling
spiral gale
make sure you don't drop bleeds too
spiral gale
maybe he was just clumsy
raven egret
This^
vestal wren
weird ye
mystic kettle
make sure you don't drop bleeds too
Yeh keeping it up, garrotte also?
vestal wren
let me check
raven egret
Yeh keeping it up, garrotte also?
garotte is a bleed so yes 😄 check out the blurb I linked above
mystic kettle
garotte is a bleed so yes 😄 check out the blurb I linked above
Okay ty! sorry still pretty new to all of this
vestal wren
So it’s not the sheet
ill check in a moment
thick sigil
so in aoe, after dotting up, if you have darkest night up, and end up at full CP (fan of knives), do you muti before using envenom (to get spatter) despite being at full combo point?
Or just dont be bad and muti a target before using fan of knives so you wont notice overcapping?
raven egret
Okay ty! sorry still pretty new to all of this
No worries ask any questions you got, as for Envenom you will usually want to wait until its buff has 1s remainign before re-applying
manic pebble
/pooling
mystic kettle
No worries ask any questions you got, as for Envenom you will usually want to wa...
Thanks x
shadow oxide
Have some one an idea how i can solve the Energy Problem? In Short fights No prob, but i think in Raid fight it can be a Problem. And yes i use the tea.
raven egret
During CDs ; spam like hell. Outside CDs; pooling strategy
shadow oxide
just the design of the spec
Ah okay.
balmy condor
so in aoe, after dotting up, if you have darkest night up, and end up at full CP...
if you don't have spatter up you kinda already made a mistake, getting it back up is giga important
raven egret
if anythign spatter should've been up before you ever reached 7cp in like 99% of the situations (as specified 'after dotting things up', it should've done during that)
shadow oxide
During CDs ; spam like hell. Outside CDs; pooling strategy
And how many Energy is enough to Spam again?
thick sigil
if you don't have spatter up you kinda already made a mistake, getting it back u...
its probably because i have a tendency to use fan of knives instead of muti right after spreading ruptures/garrote/crimson, which i thought would be a small loss actually, but just old habit :<
well thanks!
cobalt sphinx
yeah but definitely mutilate
raven egret
!pooling
NyanMoroes killing spree gamers
APP
— Yesterday at 8:15 PM
Read About Pooling
TLDR:
Maintain max uptime on envenom
For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
I replaced moroes for a second
cobalt sphinx
spatter essentially makes your envenom do 45% more damage for every extra target in range
kind of a big deal
thick sigil
ye thats why it felt a waste to not have up before consuming darkest night (atleast in aoe)
i just need to potato less, get it up quicker
HC too easy, rots my brain i guess
raven egret
indeed but like mentioned you should never put yourself in a position where you reach 7cp to consume DN without already having applied spatter to begin with
vestal wren
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
runic hinge
!best
prisma monolithBOT
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.
Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.
You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.
raven egret
Moroes lives again!
balmy condor
runic hinge
That sucks he’s been very rude to me lately
balmy condor
what was wrong with him
runic hinge
He went on strike after muting me twice in two days
mystic kettle
Rightttt, so resetting is the way to go with energy. I just stay starve for my 5 mins test run hahahaa...
raven egret
Stopping pressing buttons isn't exactly instinctive to most players 😂
mystic kettle
Hahahahah
raven egret
You also have to accept that your warlock friend will pass you in DPS during downtime.
agile kestrel
Stopping pressing buttons isn't exactly instinctive to most players 😂
it's why i went earthen, so i have a skill charge up during downtime. It's more fun than going to make a sandwich
raven egret
But the mage? F him, beat the mages to the fckin ground
haughty sand
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
mystic kettle
Yeh need to sort my plater rn. Attack 1 mob and have 3000 bleeds and poisons above its head
vestal wren
what was wrong with him
someone fat fingered in the sheet and broke the parsing
easy fix tho
raven egret
Someone... Right
runic hinge
vestal wren
we fixed it, so all fine
raven egret
Yeh need to sort my plater rn. Attack 1 mob and have 3000 bleeds and poisons abo...
I have a bit of player maintenance to do myself this weekend. Some minor UI fixes too
severe lotus
Hey guys, is the tierset still lackluster damagewise?
raven egret
The tier set is one of the tier sets of all time, for sure
Its passive either way, if it underperforms it'll be easy to buff for blizz
haughty nest
why is my rogue so weak lol 😢 legit having trouble killing some world mobs lmao ending up with 10% hp after
severe lotus
Not seeing any buffs on it while remembering a +0,5% damage increase on it feels bad
raven egret
why is my rogue so weak lol 😢 legit having trouble killing some world mobs lmao...
I... Wut? What Ilvl you running around with and what mobs leave you at 10%?
cobalt sphinx
rogue just sucks for solo content
raven egret
What?
cobalt sphinx
make sure you use evasion and crimson vial and cooldowns when necessary
haughty nest
I... Wut? What Ilvl you running around with and what mobs leave you at 10%?
552 ilvl, just doing the last part of the campaign..
strange python
anyone got the crest upgrades/drops spreadsheet
raven egret
rogue just sucks for solo content
We obliterate stuff in solo content wth you talking about lol
strange python
legend
raven egret
The basic crafting spark is wrong however it goes to 606, the tooltip on the spark has been wrong for months
balmy condor
!up
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
works as well
raven egret
I swear tww must have broken a record in terms of faulty or wrong tooltips
novel star
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
hoary remnant
new command to save the fingies from typing on repeat
Another idea would be to make a list of commands maybe?
Like !help
hoary remnant
Oh what is it?
raven egret
Can we have a meeting about meeting up to discuss all that?
hoary remnant
Is not working idk
hoary remnant
Just deletes the message and sends nothing
balmy condor
the people coming in here asking the same questions over and over don't read pins or the guide
or really interact at all
hoary remnant
True
balmy condor
so it's not like having a help command would do anything really
raven egret
Hey asking what is bis pre season is very important to some people.
...
Apparently.
raven egret
But yeah if they don't know there are commands no way they know there's a help command anyway
balmy condor
it'll go back to normal and we can get rid of some of the commands when the season starts
and things die down a little
hopefully
novel star
simply maintain a pastebin
balmy condor
probably
simply
olive cove
Hi everyone i have some issues only when i'm playing on my assa rogue in dungeons and specifically during big packs, i'm legit dropping from 200 frames to ~15/20 and that's unplaylable. Someone else has this issue or is it only me ? thank you
balmy condor
vestal wren
Hey asking what is bis pre season is very important to some people.
...
Apparent...
pre seaosn bis is
novel star
chop chop!
vestal wren
spend a shitton of gold on crafted gear for each slot
novel star
im not a moroes replacement anymore i gotta change this
vestal wren
farm yourself 2 good trinkets
balmy condor
Hi everyone i have some issues only when i'm playing on my assa rogue in dungeon...
sounds like addon lag from like weakaura or a nameplate addon that's going crazy
raven egret
spend a shitton of gold on crafted gear for each slot
So good!! 
balmy condor
you can hover the little ? in the mini bar to see resource usage I think
and then run a profiler on the affected addon
weakauras has a built in tool
plater might not
not sure
but that's kinda first place to start
olive cove
sounds like addon lag from like weakaura or a nameplate addon that's going crazy
only using plater and with other classes like war/dk its fine my guess is that too many dots are showing on the nameplate above all the mobs but still
sharp viper
what's our best consumable combination atm? alchemical chaos flask + tempered potion?
balmy condor
what's our best consumable combination atm? alchemical chaos flask + tempered po...
yes
balmy condor
only using plater and with other classes like war/dk its fine my guess is that t...
ye dunno
vestal wren
for trinkets:
- Any stat on use trinket is good for subtlety/assassiantion
- A passive trinket goes well in the 2nd slot, you can farm the egg one if you rly want
- There is a minecart and honey trinket, both seem to sim well alternatively
raven egret
I ride bees
I'm even thinking of committing a sin and using the damn stupid bubbling wax next week to save on the ungodly costs of whetstones
wispy apex
!fatebound
raven egret
Who the hell thought using null stones to make those was a good idea
raven egret
!fatebound
What's the question?
little tulip
it's only 25k for a blue mining pick he he
sharp viper
nullstone prices gonna drop once people max out ore KP (that's gonna take a bit though)
raven egret
nullstone prices gonna drop once people max out ore KP (that's gonna take a bit ...
Considering adding sockets to jewelry item uses 2 null stones per, I doubt itll go down in price anytime soon
wispy apex
Just wanted to know if there's any difference in terms of % between deathstalker or fatebound so far.
little tulip
also yay nature yay b ees
vestal wren
we have 70 commands
i have an idea how to handle the !help command, but currently not rly the time to change the bot in a big way
raven egret
Just wanted to know if there's any difference in terms of % between deathstalker...
Yeah there will always be a difference and it'll fluctuate. We are what... 2-3% in favor of Dearhstalker in all content right now I think?
They are both perfectly viable so play whichever you prefer anyway
balmy condor
i have an idea how to handle the !help command, but currently not rly the time t...
yeah think it's fine
not a big deal
fallow estuary
Do we delay our 2nd deathmark till vanish is up?
mystic kettle
How much does Attack Power actually improve our damage by? Wonder if it's worth picking up a couple for the raid
3k per stone 
raven egret
Do we delay our 2nd deathmark till vanish is up?
What do you mean by 2nd death mark? We open up with death mark then we just roll it back with Darkest Night continuously
Oh wait NVM I dumb
fallow estuary
:D
fallow estuary
Since the guide says to cast vanish BEFORE (in caps) deathmark
raven egret
If you delay that you delay KB you delay everything so not worth. Use vanish for it if you otherwise didn't have to use it previously
Otherwise just send it
In raids you will typically always have vanish used only for DM windows
fallow estuary
So in an ideal rotation we allways vanish during deathmark after like 5 casts
raven egret
How much does Attack Power actually improve our damage by? Wonder if it's worth ...
You'd have to sim your char for numbers, but it's a bigger number than bubbling wax that I promise. And that other toxin oil thing
Which is sad thematically you'd think another weapon poison on top would be nice
fallow estuary
So casting vanish before deathmark only happens if there is downtime when cds come up or if we have to hold them for a burst window
raven egret
So in an ideal rotation we allways vanish during deathmark after like 5 casts
Yeah. M+ could disrupt that if you can benefit from vanishing a mechanic or something for example but that's the general rule
Vanish being used after dm on the opener is barely a few seconds delay so it's not much to align them after
I was more saying not worth waiting on it if you have like a big gap in timing due to vanishing for other reasons, somehow
mystic kettle
You'd have to sim your char for numbers, but it's a bigger number than bubbling ...
With and without Ironclaw Stone duel wield
raven egret
The few seconds
Yeah I apologize for the confusion I really thought the question was about actual gaps in timings;
Run your opener, vanish to refresh the initial garotte, the align both after that
olive cove
Do you guys know where i can find some plater nameplates for rogue ? that are only tracking important dots ? tyty
soft merlin
!wa
raven egret
Yeah now check with bubbling wax 😂
olive cove
!wa
soft merlin
bot seems to be slow atm
olive cove
i thought u were baiting me ahah
soft merlin
**Assassination** Weakauras/Plater profiles:
[Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit](<https...
here you have
check that
olive cove
thank you
balmy condor
Yeah now check with bubbling wax 😂
Bubbling wax isn’t in sims
But it’s about half the value
Stones are roughly 2%
Wax is roughly 1%
raven egret
Hehe just thought it'd be fun to see the number difference. Still pretty minor overall
I really wish deep toxins was better, thematic would be on point
Mana oil seems surprisingly close to stones
olive cove
well i guess i will not play rogue this xpac, everytime i press FoK or CS i'm legit dropping 100+ frames even on target dummies 😢
raven egret
speaking of buffs, are we definitely out of PI jail yet?
abstract needle
so how is rogue these days?
raven egret
well i guess i will not play rogue this xpac, everytime i press FoK or CS i'm le...
This happens with all addons disabled?
raven egret
so how is rogue these days?
We good, could use some bugfixes and some help here and there but we are good
mystic kettle
I hope they hotfix these ER problems
abstract needle
We good, could use some bugfixes and some help here and there but we are good
assa rogue is still the best for pve?
raven egret
I hope they would even start by acknowledging that they ARE problems form their perspective
olive cove
This happens with all addons disabled?
i have not tried disabling all add ons since i have no issue with my war, but i'll give it a try
raven egret
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three sp...
There !best @abstract needle read the above link
olive cove
This happens with all addons disabled?
Well i have no drops with my addons disabled 🙂
raven egret
Well i have no drops with my addons disabled 🙂
Well there you go, now we know for sure its one of your addons. Tryin re-enabling them one at a time see which one might cause the issue. Typically will be UI related
olive cove
that's gonna be fun ahah
raven egret
that's gonna be fun ahah
yeah but like focus on specific possible ones first; try loading with ONLY plater for example
torpid garnet
Could I ask the difference in DPS between Fatebound and Deathstalker? Would it be a huge DPS difference if I chose Fatebound instead?
raven egret
2-3% ish but don't quote me on that, close enough that if you play one better than the other than thats the best one
torpid garnet
Thanks so much! Just getting back to WoW and rogue since early Legion days so it just seems like Fatebound is a bit more passive and easier
sharp viper
2-3% ish but don't quote me on that, close enough that if you play one better th...
brb skillmaxing fatebound
gonna hit the bank for some coins
pulsar apex
Do you even “play” fatebound?
raven egret
Well you do have to poop those coins out somehow
pulsar apex
My WA tracks the coins…. And I go “that’s nice”.
normal lotus
You track coins?
raven egret
if I had to play fatebound I'D 100% get somethign to track lifetime flips
only way I could feel anything while playing it
torpid garnet
Wait do we have to track coins...?
raven egret
and "feel" in this case is a bit too strong of a term
normal lotus
Nah
sharp viper
if I had to play fatebound I'D 100% get somethign to track lifetime flips
now that would be interesting - lifetime flips, longest chain, average chain length
raven egret
Wait do we have to track coins...?
nah we are memeing about tracking them for funsies
torpid garnet
Oh phew I thought it's like Outlaw where you need to change rotation based on the buff haha
pulsar apex
Don’t get me wrong - I like that there is a passive option. And I play FB a lot. But at no point do I change any of my behaviour based on the coin information I have.
normal lotus
You mean like RTB?
raven egret
Oh phew I thought it's like Outlaw where you need to change rotation based on th...
shhhhh you gonna trigger the yellow names
normal lotus
I am triggered
raven egret
olive cove
Am i the only one having energy issue in long solo fights ?
raven egret
You murdered it again bud
balmy condor
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
I didn't do shit
raven egret
well damn someone is going around murdering moroes every time he gets up
and it can't be me last time I was doing that was in like... 20-something long past
sharp viper
yek why is a tank trinket high up on my droptimizer list atm
balmy condor
well designed game
raven egret
I'm curious now, running raid droptomizer
jade abyss
Whispxr assassinates the moroes botD:
raven egret
Whispxr assassinates the moroes botD:
He denied involvement in this one, so unless you want to involve the lawyers as well
arctic tusk
i forgot to ask are we trying to tea to be above 150 in burst or does it not matter at all just need energy to click buttons
balmy condor
whenever you can press tea during shiv and not overcap your energy as a result
arctic tusk
quaint knoll
Do we want Crit/mastery then? I see some going vers mastery
balmy condor
vers mastery sounds like pvp
quaint knoll
i'll stick with crit mast then 🙂
raven egret
Sim your char, I mean right now in pre-season doesnt matter much but once in-season don't stick to just one stat combo blindly
we like all stats to a degree, vers a bit less is all
quaint knoll
will do thank you 🙂
visual sequoia
which weapon ench we use preraid?
balmy condor
radiant power
grim jay
Sim your char, I mean right now in pre-season doesnt matter much but once in-sea...
I mean I wouldnt even actively stack 2 stats rn
balmy condor
no
everything consumable sucks this expansion
it's more like a faint glimmer of power
weary crypt
iron whetstones are so expensive
raven egret
yet it costs an arm and a leg for all of it
weary crypt
what would be a good alternative?>
weary crypt
thanks
grand trail
grim jay
I can only use the feast every time for the food buff
I hate sushi, so its no alternative
grim jay
https://tenor.com/view/wax-on-wax-off-mr-miyagi-daniel-larusso-daniel-san-gif-24...
what was that from again? cobra kai or something?
grand trail
you can use this
normal mist
if only the guide listed alternatives
The guide writer should do better smh my head
grand trail
what was that from again? cobra kai or something?
i never saw movie but i know meme as im from car detailing community
raven egret
you can use this
I made 400 Hearty Beledar's Bounty
inner rapids
Hey ! Crimson tempest has a pandemic timer ?
inner rapids
Haha
inner rapids
I am asking because of the note at the end
royal lantern
most non-major cd things
inner rapids
Thx !
royal lantern
if that makes sense
balmy condor
only in really rare instances does it not pandemic
weary crypt
oh we have to farm bubbling wax? what the.. would oil of deep toxins work as an alternative?
balmy condor
I mean.... I guess sure yeah
weary crypt
or algari mana oil
just for week 1 and 2
whetstones are 7k+ gold in KR servers
like what
balmy condor
you can just farm like 40 bubbling wax in like 5 minutes
idk why it's a big deal
but sure
weary crypt
oh really?
novel star
i don’t even know what the hell a bubbling wax is man
weary crypt
sorry thought it was gonna take a long time
balmy condor
just run around the kobold area and pickpocket idk
novel star
who are you people
balmy condor
it's not that bad
novel star
weary crypt
gotcha
normal mist
who are you people
I remember you...
In the mountains
raven egret
welcome to stormrage
faint path
When should we craft something ? 😄
balmy condor
welcome to stormrage
these are commodities and are region wide
it's not stromrage
it's just
NA
raven egret
true, and fair enough, welcome to hell then
normal mist
When should we craft something ? 😄
I would personally wait for mythic week
faint path
I would personally wait for mythic week
so next week ?
normal mist
In 2 weeks
raven egret
so next week ?
next week is Normal / Heroic only
normal mist
Crafting a dagger now isn't really that bad of a. Option as well
With or without emb
raven egret
we've known this for... quite a while
faint path
next week is Normal / Heroic only
Oh you mean raid
faint path
hmm
royal lantern
oh we have to farm bubbling wax? what the.. would oil of deep toxins work as an ...
all the weapon things are very low impact
like, you can buy R1 the crit/haste mana oil for 2silver and its almost 0 difference to a whetstone
normal mist
This will probably be the chilliest start of a expansion I've ever experienced
sharp trellis
Hey, any of you know what the ID of Bone spike to remove it from platter buff ? 328547 and 324074 doesn't seem to work
opal scroll
try 455352
balmy condor
try 455352
that's the talent id
wouldn't really help much to hide a talent from a nameplate
:P
opal scroll
shows as spell id for me
sharp trellis
you can type it in by name and it should work
how do you show the spellid on icon ?
opal scroll
ah gotcha
balmy condor
how do you show the spellid on icon ?
idtip
sharp trellis
okok . ty !
faint path
What u guys thinking about Cursed critical strike ench ? should we use this one ?
raven egret
I personally wont be using any cursed at all. Its not like we have a pure dumpster stat, and the net stat gain from cursed is in the negative compared to the regular ones
unless something comes up where cursed are somehow meta, yeah I wont bother.
got my gold saving supplies ready
vivid nexus
does someone have the sim spreadsheet from fuu with the bis gear?
wispy apex
Hello! Is it fine to macro envenom with coldblood if you're playing fatebound?
raven egret
Hello! Is it fine to macro envenom with coldblood if you're playing fatebound?
its fine, you can theoretically gain by not doing it to avoid some wonky interaction with the coin but its not really worth unless you really want to min-max
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vivid nexus
thank you 🙂
worldly bridge
wait does this means we're the "worst" spec dmg wise ? 
raven egret
!best
prisma monolithBOT
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.
Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.
You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.
magic fossil
means that people are playing excell world of warcraft, prediciting future and using gypsies powers to try to make some order of absolute caos that everything is rn.
tl:dr, nothing.
short sedge
Lowkey it doesn't matter if I spend spark now does it
raven egret
"bro my bis list told me the best belt is that one, it made all the difference"
-Some rando, probably
short sedge
I can always recraft, I have maxed out lw
raven egret
I mean you can re craft assuming it's the same slot needed
So, you know, at your own risk
normal lotus
I think If you are only heroic raiding long term if won't matter
solemn trout
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
raven egret
I probably should get a dagger crafted
All the advice the vast majority will tell you is to wait for spark and be patient. You do what you want with that info.
And yeah if you don't do any progression content none of this matters to begin with
short sedge
I do mythic raiding
runic basin
which mousover macro u guys use for rupture?
raven egret
#showtooltip
/cast [target=mouseover] abilityname
I don't use one myself for this but that's the typical mouseover
normal mist
I probably should get a dagger crafted
I thought the same
But I'm chilling, just waiting
raven egret
Who knows maybe they shadow mega buff the raid crafted dagger
I got two dawn thread linings sitting in my bank just in case, and we'll see what happens
I kinda wish the pocket grenades would be amazing cause pocket grenades are cool 😎
normal mist
I can always recraft, I have maxed out lw
Can you explain this sentence so I don't feel like I failed something on my lw?
I only have the pathing to boots and belt maxed
short sedge
Can you explain this sentence so I don't feel like I failed something on my lw?
Got my stuff looking like this
And three blue tools with ingenuity enchant/flasks
normal mist
We points wise we look the same
But I have 30-30-20(boots)-20(belt) and now making way to wrists
normal mist
And three blue tools with ingenuity enchant/flasks
I should get blue tools as well but no blue thingy
short sedge
I went hard on professions
Leveled blacksmithing and leatherworking on an alt just to craft myself tools
wispy apex
Do you only shiv at the last 8 secs of kingsbane when you only have 1 stack of shiv?
short sedge
You probably shouldn't have only 1 stack of shiv
grim jay
all the weapon things are very low impact
like, you can buy R1 the crit/haste m...
2 silver where
its 90g on the ah
short sedge
Better than 5k gold xd
balmy condor
Do you only shiv at the last 8 secs of kingsbane when you only have 1 stack of s...
yes
grim jay
Better than 5k gold xd
yeah but you might aswell just use buzzing runes at that point 
balmy condor
You probably shouldn't have only 1 stack of shiv
most m+ builds only have 1 stack of shiv
wispy apex
Thanks!
indigo mulch
You should have 2 shivs for kb dm tho
balmy condor
not possible if you're running 1 charge
indigo mulch
green pulsar
Does anybody have a weak aura to track Deathstalkers Mark?
tawny pawn
yeah there is one i asked people to pin but i guess thats not up to me
ill look it up for you rq
royal lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
green pulsar
Thank you!!! I was going to ask for isolated one, but you got me sorted, tyty
normal mist
No problem
normal mist
For the shiv timer?
tawny pawn
ye
normal mist
Yeah same
green pulsar
Yeah ive got the KB one, made life a dream in DF.
balmy condor
I feel like those KB trackers just add so much noise now that it's literally just shiv
storm hedge
Does anyone know how to sim with bubbling wax instead of whetstone?
tawny pawn
i acidentaly posted my details cause i was about to say, turns out for me that im perfoming better with DS then FB, i guess it has to do with the fact that i dotn worry with sanguine blade as much
normal mist
Yeah I use a TMW to just show both timers going,I know when to shiv
tawny pawn
I feel like those KB trackers just add so much noise now that it's literally jus...
it feels so good for a beginner having a tracker like that, but for experienced players yeah, its bloat.
raven egret
Does anyone know how to sim with bubbling wax instead of whetstone?
You don't, wax isn't in the sims
tawny pawn
i acidentaly posted my details cause i was about to say, turns out for me that i...
i would appreciante if you guys dummy tested and gave me some feedback
balmy condor
sadly a details breakdown is useless for that
tawny pawn
i think cause im bad and not using SB correctly
raven egret
To be clear you should never worry about Sanguine blade at all
tawny pawn
yeah but my FB does
balmy condor
sure
that one you just ignore mostly
sanguine is just free damage during cooldowns and sometimes when you happen to reset your envenom uptime or run around for a boss or something
tawny pawn
yesterday me and my guildies we made some tests for performance, and i did place top bracket, but i want to be top top bracket and im testing stuff out, its either DS or SUB
balmy condor
I mean you won't be top top bracket if your guildies are anywhere near average at the game
warped moon
good morning fellow scoundrels and sneaks
indigo mulch
Is there a big difference between sanguin and vicious venom?
balmy condor
vicious is 1% better generally
indigo mulch
I thought outlaw was doing good in term of sim dps even if outlaw profile sucks
raven egret
balmy condor
with some downtime you'll end up being about the same as the other two specs
it ain't that big
indigo mulch
I'm not sure why all the rogue specs are tuned so low =0
raven egret
Its cause mages complained they were not main characters enough
balmy condor
tuning isn't really a precise thing
indigo mulch
If they could just fix some bugs and I'm sure we'll gain a bit of dps at least
balmy condor
not really
indigo mulch
No? OK. 
swift dagger
Well atleast we have a raid buff so atleast we have Raid spot for 1 rogue
tfw we have 2 rogues in our raid team
tawny pawn
we screwed 😦
raven egret
Its more qol than buffs
swift dagger
one of us gonna get screwed
royal lantern
what frking raidteam do you guys have where people get booted on a whim for playing a class/spec that is somewhat average/bellow average
tawny pawn
we are done for
royal lantern
like srsly
swift dagger
im just doomin
indigo mulch
Lmao
normal mist
the moment rogue might be an average spec
Whispyrs let's talk you and me
royal lantern
espacialy when you want every single class 1x anyway
swift dagger
jokin round
royal lantern
like, doesnt matter how shit tuning is, they want a rogue so you have your spot
turbid harbor
There’s barely any rogues to start with
balmy condor
if you're finding out right now that rogue single target being average or slightly below average, you're too much of a shitter for it to matter
just is how it is
raven egret
what frking raidteam do you guys have where people get booted on a whim for play...
Especially with the creeping DMG buff we are getting this season, teams can be flexible
normal mist
double envenom buff
I wanna talk about this
turbid harbor
Idk who’s rerolling off rogue when they’re average and cares enough to type here
royal lantern
**double envenom buff**
I wanna talk about this
wait
does that mean with 2 assa rogue
QUADRUPLE ENVENOM BUFF????
tawny pawn
**double envenom buff**
I wanna talk about this
assuming ER gets fixed isnt that kind of a big deal?
balmy condor
onyx mesa
My guild is a bunch of grey parses, so I just gotta rock up and swing my weapons to look amazing
balmy condor
aight I'm just gonna like
raven egret
Who gonna tell em we don't get PI no more
indigo mulch
royal lantern
Idk who’s rerolling off rogue when they’re average and cares enough to type here
i mean
80% of this channels users in the last month are people that saw "high dungeon overall dmg" and thought that assa is this giga OP broken spec everywhere
indigo mulch
royal lantern
and now they slowly see the reality creeping in lol
royal lantern
ye ofc it is
but when m+ start
and bosses dont die in 30seconds
and the ST dmg drop actually gets noticable
oh boy
will be fun times
and ofc a endless barrage of "DAE NO ENERGY????"
normal mist
We went from around 127k people on the server to 130k during pre-expansion to now.
Let's see the numbers once people understand what's up.
raven egret
Such is life, we still have our work to do, stabbing to stab and 3.6% to bring to raids
indigo mulch
Lmao
royal lantern
Such is life, we still have our work to do, stabbing to stab and 3.6% to bring t...
wise words from my RL
indigo mulch
raven egret
wise words from my RL
Such wisdom
warped moon
i play with damage numbers off and just focus on nailing my rotation every time and then i look at my damage numbers later and i say yep ok
rare jackal
i play with damage numbers off and just focus on nailing my rotation every time ...
hello based?
warped moon
haha the game feels so much less stressful that way, at least for me
wicked vector
I quit my arcane mage I leveled first to play rogue because I was having more fun playing this and outlaw
onyx mesa
I play with details only showing the top person, it's never me, so the class I am playing is broken
raven egret
I mean even with meters up there's usually a higher priority on screen for your eyes than starring at it
warped moon
i tried outlaw the other night!! so fun
rare jackal
the real red pill is realizing that being a good raider means playing mechanics consistently
wicked vector
I think people forget that if you aren't hard hard pushing rank...fun still matters lol
onyx mesa
the real red pill is realizing that being a good raider means playing mechanics ...
mechanics... isn't that a healer thing
rare jackal
I mean even with meters up there's usually a higher priority on screen for your ...
thats why you put your damage meter in the center 🧠
raven egret
thats why you put your damage meter in the center 🧠
rare jackal
low iq: just play the boss
midwit: OK BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIMS AND MAXIMUM TIER LIST ARCANE IS CLEARLY THE BEST SPEC
high iq: just play the boss
royal lantern
the real red pill is realizing that being a good raider means playing mechanics ...
i mean, yeha
and a good RL sees that and cares about that more then everything else
like, why "force" somebody to play something that is "Better" when they play good and are never the reason why you struggle with a fight
if a spec is really REALLY bad, most people tend to not play it by themself and swap until its fixed
onyx mesa
good player on a bad spec is better than a bad player on a good spec, I hear ya
royal lantern
i mean, also gotta remember
"bad spec" in wow is a gigantic overreaction
wicked vector
Fire mage being the exception atm.
royal lantern
the differences are most of the time really not big lol
onyx mesa
Yea for sure
wicked vector
It is actually bad spec
onyx mesa
fire mages lol that discord channel must be abandoned
rare jackal
i mean, yeha
and a good RL sees that and cares about that more then everything ...
99% of people arent even that good at their own class, let alone have the capability to reroll
in my time being an officer, legit only 1 or 2 people managed to successfully reroll
across 3 tiers
rare jackal
i mean, also gotta remember
"bad spec" in wow is a gigantic overreaction
thats true
raven egret
99% of people arent even that good at their own class, let alone have the capabi...
I'd reroll for you ❤️
rare jackal
I'd reroll for you ❤️
please no 😭
wicked vector
That's wild to me...when I used to play in a US 100 guild I was a flex player and rerolled every tier
vernal dew
Ich habe mal eine Frage wegen Stats auf was muss ich so achten welche sollte ich in den Focus nehmen
raven egret
Aside, being mid DPS is great, we are out of PI hell!!!!
wicked vector
This game isn't hard enough to not be able to reroll
balmy condor
Ich habe mal eine Frage wegen Stats auf was muss ich so achten welche sollte ich...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
also this is an english server
runic basin
Ich habe mal eine Frage wegen Stats auf was muss ich so achten welche sollte ich...
crit mastery
runic basin
also this is an english server
are u sure?
onyx mesa
Yea I reroll a bit mainly because I want to change things up each season
balmy condor
are u sure?
positive yes
wicked vector
Whisper, should I play shadowed or what
balmy condor
royal lantern
Ich habe mal eine Frage wegen Stats auf was muss ich so achten welche sollte ich...
ist n englischer server, und es gibt ned wirklich n stat focus im moderenen WoW weil mainstat in denn meisten fällen gewinnt, du kannst wirklich nur vergleichen wenn du 2items auf dem gleichen ilvl hast, und das ist dann mit simmen, was du immer machen solltest
wicked vector
Showder
balmy condor
says so at the top of the rules
wicked vector
Shadower fuck auto correct
rare jackal
This game isn't hard enough to not be able to reroll
wrong actually
balmy condor
in maple?
wicked vector
Yeah man
runic basin
the upcomming assa changes are like whatever right?
balmy condor
I'm burning my xenon next, but dual blade was going to be the move
they're compressing the channeled skills on dual blade
so that's hype
balmy condor
the upcomming assa changes are like whatever right?
twist the knife is really interesting, the rest is kinda whatever yeah
royal lantern
the upcomming assa changes are like whatever right?
Tea change is really stupid
TTK change is interesting
SnD change is QoL, SnD barely existed anyway so its kinda w/e
everything else is mostly re-naming stuff
runic basin
twist the knife is really interesting, the rest is kinda whatever yeah
interesting in a good way?
raven egret
Tea change I don't know anyone that is for it
royal lantern
yes in a good way
balmy condor
interesting in a good way?
interesting in a good way maybe but could just end up being nothing
novel star
you werent lying its actually easy as fuck to get weeks worth of bubbling wax 
balmy condor
Tea change I don't know anyone that is for it
hi
runic basin
i like sub shadowdust gameplay. 
faint path
which spec should we choose on alchemy so we could have longer flask duration anyone knows?
raven egret
I know one person that is for it now.
raven egret
i like sub shadowdust gameplay. <a:SadgeCry:811291988921024522>
RIP, but really dust had to go, no time to shed tears, what's done is done.
runic basin
RIP, but really dust had to go, no time to shed tears, what's done is done.
it was kinde coo...and this nerf "buffs" outlaw..
raven egret
Say what now?
tawny pawn
the changes to outlaw were nice
cobalt flint
which spec should we choose on alchemy so we could have longer flask duration an...
The flask one 😊
Anywhere we can find some sims with different hero talents, talents etc based on the new raid gear?
balmy condor
depends what info you're hoping to get from that
cobalt flint
Just curious about the general direction
balmy condor
fatebound and deathstalker are pretty much equal
fatebound has a bit more burst
deathstalker has the better mobility/defensive/funnel
cobalt flint
Is that also true with the reprimand bug? So speccing into lethality etc, per your video
I guess that is still not fixed
balmy condor
there would be a massive pin when it gets fixed
cobalt flint
I kinda like deathmark, but seems annoying in M+ tbh
balmy condor
it's arguably one of the biggest bugs we've had in like the last 5 years
cobalt flint
Well maybe it will be ok when the mobs don't vanish in 4 secs
rare jackal
what are the chances ER DN interaction is intended to add friction to the rotation?
cobalt flint
It also doesn't seem that complicated to fix it, but maybe I just don't know enough about coding
raven egret
what are the chances ER DN interaction is intended to add friction to the rotati...
Non zero, that's all we can really say. PTR isn't addressing it, they haven't acknowledged it
balmy condor
what are the chances ER DN interaction is intended to add friction to the rotati...
0
don't care what sellia says
anyone who thinks this is intended is dented beyond helping
raven egret
I mean I wasnt trying to say it was likely at all
indigo mulch
I just don't understand why it's not getting fixed. They are patching ret, warlock 24/7
raven egret
I damn well hope it's a bug
sharp viper
void take them
archon is better
balmy condor
I mean I wasnt trying to say it was likely at all
yeh but non-zero is more than zero
raven egret
That is a fact, that is in fact, truth
limber lion
They have fixed a bunch of our bugs in the past, but it is what it is
Maybe soon-ish
balmy condor
I mean it isn't intended though
limber lion
It's the most annoying ass bug that straight up kills a talent
crisp pine
yeh but non-zero is more than zero
You got the math to back that up?
limber lion
I mean it isn't intended though
Definitely not, it was a reply to Lazyshadow
indigo mulch
But even if it gets fixed it won't really help us being bellow avarage.
limber lion
But even if it gets fixed it won't really help us being bellow avarage.
In what content?
raven egret
Assa on top baby
Uhm. Sure. Ok!
limber lion
Have you seen mythic+ numbers
raven egret
Have you seen mythic+ numbers
Have you seen a mythic+?
indigo mulch
I mean if it's like a 1% increase. It won't really do that much.
kind walrus
!bugs
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
limber lion
Assa is doing fine in dungeon content
late surge
??????????????
our ST is pretty lackluster no?
fallen arch
Yes we are
balmy condor
our ST is pretty lackluster no?
yeh that's why it's insane
midnight atlas
this stuff worth it ?
balmy condor
no
late surge
sorry not the right time to be half meming whispyr
limber lion
our ST is pretty lackluster no?
But you literally said that we're gonna blast
And now you're saying it's bad
late surge
I apologize
limber lion
which one is it, chief
raven egret
Assa is doing fine in dungeon content
Current dungeons sure, but M+ we ain't looking to blast these as hard
limber lion
Current dungeons sure, but M+ we ain't looking to blast these as hard
Oh okay
I forgot it changes entirely
agile geode
outlaw still got weird numbers
indigo mulch
I think sin is pretty damn good in m+ o.o
limber lion
is it and will be
limber lion
If they decide to buff our tier set from dogwater to acceptable tier, then it's gonna be even better
agile geode
hoping for assa to have a good spot in raid
balmy condor
what would you buff for our ST?
rupture
limber lion
based
balmy condor
buff rupture, buff poisons
late surge
nerf spatter aura buff us
limber lion
balmy condor
nerf spatter aura buff us
yeah pretty much
normal mist
@limber lion 
onyx mesa
just nerf everyone else lol
indigo mulch
I just want tons of energy so I can feel like an adhd bunny.
late surge
play outlaw
limber lion
Don't you already have that
I think Rogue is not the spec for you if you wanna feel that
indigo mulch
But the outlaw channel scares me.
limber lion
1s gcd is 1s gcd
subtle tundra
youre playing a gcd capped class 😦
indigo mulch
raven egret
I just want tons of energy so I can feel like an adhd bunny.
Fury warriors are that way --> out
rare jackal
more fun
hard agree
wish they buffed sanguine
lowkey hate how much damage comes from envenom
tawny geyser
Maybe this was asked before, but cant find...
on Deathstalker, Whispyr says to keep under 50 energy for Envenom
But if the damn Thistle Tea activates on its own, doesn't that contradict the effect...
I know he said 50 flat energy and 50% is 50%... idk, math is not my forte.
rare jackal
rupture on sub feels more impactful than on assa
limber lion
Maybe this was asked before, but cant find...
on Deathstalker, Whispyr says to k...
Wait the first line says that Whispyr said 50% energy, last line says it was 50 flat
Which one is it
tawny geyser
yea mb
rare jackal
Maybe this was asked before, but cant find...
on Deathstalker, Whispyr says to k...
you only keep under 50% if you play sanguine blades which you dont in ST
tawny geyser
mhm, okii... man I just hope they remove that damn change with TT. zero sense.
limber lion
You can play the spec without energy numbers if you have a fancy bar with colors
tawny geyser
not yet ofc
limber lion
Yeah not yet, but will do
late surge
yeah
balmy condor
you just..... don't make it auto proc
tawny geyser
xD
balmy condor
it's still a button
idk the tea change is just easier for people who don't want to use the button, they're still getting a majority of the value
and everyone who is min-maxing will..... do the same thing they did before?
tawny geyser
Why don't the Rogue Dev team just reach out to Whispyr and ask for directions... I mean.
Good for Whispyr, good for Devs, good for everyone.
balmy condor
I don't get why people hate it so fucking much
limber lion
Why don't the Rogue Dev team just reach out to Whispyr and ask for directions......
You say that...
balmy condor
I would've done the same thing lmao
for people who give a shit, it changes nothing
for people who don't give a shit, it's free tea
limber lion
I think it's pretty dank
errant night
i like SnD change more
balmy condor
I mean it's just whatever
tawny geyser
SnD is huge yeah, I love it.
balmy condor
tea is legit a non-issue
zinc frost
Could be worse, we could be going back to pressing mfd into crimson tempest on single target again
balmy condor
but everyone acts like blizzard just shot their favorite talent
orchid cedar
another bug fix roll and no ER changes 
limber lion
Could be worse, we could be going back to pressing mfd into crimson tempest on s...
Best timeline
hoary remnant
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
but everyone acts like blizzard just shot their favorite talent
i think it is a stupid change
BUT people gotta remember that you will still have a charge for kingsbane/ kingnsbane+DM anyway
cus you literally get 1charge back everytime with them
balmy condor
yeh I mean you're going to have your charge for every kb window
royal lantern
Good thing the logic is energy + shiv
and shiv is used with KB 
limber lion
and shiv is used with KB <:dracthyr_shrug:1002454156751151145>
Yes but you use charges between kb as well
balmy condor
you're still getting like the vast majority of the value of the tea even if it auto procs
it's really not that big of a deal
balmy condor
spammer
limber lion
Tryan hit a filter?
royal lantern
no, i saw a message go away
errant night
so the cd rotation is like: Deathmark - Shiv - Kingsbane - Tea. right?
limber lion
Whenever I see tc-research pop up, that's when you spot a spammer
limber lion
so the cd rotation is like: Deathmark - Shiv - Kingsbane - Tea. right?
Everything else but tea, yeah
Sure you can do that in the opener with 3 charges
but after that you use tea for energy
with shiv
So on 2 min window you wouldn't do that, unless you get maximum energy gain from it
errant night
hmm
void torrent
so is assassin go to spec when raids go live ?
orchid cedar
you can go any tbh
limber lion
it means right after or before? don't really understand
You press Shiv, then you press tea
errant night
right. thx
void torrent
yea but is there any data or anything which is strongest raid dps?
royal lantern
Yes but you use charges between kb as well
only in m+ tbh, in raids you just play double shiv
and in m+ energy is outside of boss fights not a thing anyway
strange python
yea but is there any data or anything which is strongest raid dps?
Strongest raid dps is the one you do the most damage on
void torrent
okay so what I heard was BS. Read somewhere Assassin is strongest spec right now
distant plinth
okay so what I heard was BS. Read somewhere Assassin is strongest spec right now
🤣🤣🤣
tawny junco
Does the sim take in consideration the Echoing reprimend bug with DS mark?
void torrent
for raids
limber lion
okay so what I heard was BS. Read somewhere Assassin is strongest spec right now
Definitely not
royal lantern
but like, yeha there is just this 1 thing people need to remember a bit in general
the main value of tea is "you have energy and can use more abilitys", that is the main gain
the entire "use it with something else" is allready some bigtime minor minmax shit
void torrent
need to pull up some numbers wednesday hc so I get picked for mythic roster in my new guild.
tawny junco
Yes means that in the sim it works liek it should or that even in the sim it's bugged?
orchid cedar
Assa and Sub in theory do same ST dmg, outlaw is up to debate
limber lion
Yo can anyone link a quick sim
royal lantern
need to pull up some numbers wednesday hc so I get picked for mythic roster in m...
tf they dont have a mythic roster yet
strange python
tf they dont have a mythic roster yet
I think he means they are testing trials in heroic
void torrent
I think he means they are testing trials in heroic
yea that.
distant plinth
need to pull up some numbers wednesday hc so I get picked for mythic roster in m...
Just go sub and tell them look at boss damagw
orchid cedar
reroll arcane mage and get in the roster easy pzy
or Warrior if you are bad at the game
void torrent
Just go sub and tell them look at boss damagw
I am already sub so gonna stay it if there is no true info which one is best spec for raiding
void torrent
there is one other rogue
void torrent
but yea thank you guys. Gonna stay sub since that is which I know best for now.
balmy condor
i saw the Limit rumored set up for world frist
you mean the list max's chat cooked up?
which is meme content?
raven egret
lol rumored
balmy condor
yeah very accurate
orchid cedar
ye
balmy condor
twitch chat knows best
orchid cedar
the Atrophic poison must be good i assume
strange python
And said atrophic is way more than enough to have a spot
orchid cedar
specially for prog
strange python
So idk what you looked at but
subtle tundra
yes its a raid buff added intentionally to make rogue be played
that is literally the reason it was added
every class has one
orchid cedar
we'll see how logs turn out in the HC week
strange python
I can tell you how
orchid cedar
aren't you able to not take Hunters atm if you don't want to?
royal lantern
And said atrophic is way more than enough to have a spot
yes, you want every raid buff 1x
cus thats a good chunk of value lol
strange python
yes, you want every raid buff 1x
I know I was stating it for the lad that was talking about rumored roster for wf 
limber lion
not a fan of raid buffs
distant plinth
aren't you able to not take Hunters atm if you don't want to?
Why wouldnt u want a hunter? Probably the best ST dps, turtle for mechanics etc etc
limber lion
makes all the pug groups non-optimal
strange python
not a fan of raid buffs
Same but also idk how to fix, no raid buffs leads to degen things too
limber lion
Yeah
orchid cedar
Why wouldnt u want a hunter? Probably the best ST dps, turtle for mechanics etc ...
i mean they have no unique raid buff
limber lion
Otherwise would be sitting at 14 arcane mages, 2 tanks and 2 healers
strange python
i mean they have no unique raid buff
They do…
strange python
Otherwise would be sitting at 14 arcane mages, 2 tanks and 2 healers
Ya maybe you mix some enhance in now that they sim the same
limber lion
enhance sims are dumb
distant plinth
Otherwise would be sitting at 14 arcane mages, 2 tanks and 2 healers
Just need a DH and then u can stack 14 arc mages🤣🤣🤣
royal lantern
Same but also idk how to fix, no raid buffs leads to degen things too
remember Mid BfA with warlock/shadowpriests?
limber lion
Just need a DH and then u can stack 14 arc mages🤣🤣🤣
No
royal lantern
🙂
limber lion
The point was that without raid buffs that would happen
royal lantern
i like the evoker buff for that reason tbh
its good, but no broken shit like brand/arcane int
real pike
anyone know how to sim racials on raidbots?
real pike
how do you sim racials on raidbots? 😄
orchid cedar
the unique raid buffs is both good and bad for me
distant plinth
how do you sim racials on raidbots? 😄
Change rhe race input to the race u want to sim
limber lion
You need to do an advanced sim with your profile, followed by a big string of copied race profiles
orchid cedar
but it promotes diversity in the raid and more spots so it's w/e
distant plinth
Read the first top lines it says race: Orc blabla
limber lion
Sec
velvet vault
which spec is better in raid this season ?
orchid cedar
Arcane mage
distant plinth
Boomkin
velvet vault
which spec is better in raid this season ?
rogue's spec
royal lantern
how are we supposed to know
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
distant plinth
Enjoy
orchid cedar
outlaw
limber lion
**Rogue Spreadsheet - [Light Version](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2...
@real pike there's racial sims in this spreadsheet already
orchid cedar
for real, outlaw might not be it
distant plinth
Nobody is gonna play outlaw🤣
limber lion
hmm
orchid cedar
i'm curious to see how much the sim is off
real pike
<@543497193240395847> there's racial sims in this spreadsheet already
damnnn legend thank you sir
limber lion
npnp
velvet vault
for real, outlaw might not be it
i just checked raidbot sims for outlaw it was crazy🤣
limber lion
i'm curious to see how much the sim is off
what does that mean
real pike
!spreadsheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
distant plinth
Outlaw simbait
orchid cedar
what does that mean
^this
distant plinth
Outlaw simmed like aloooot in amisrasil, but no one played it
real pike
huh I heard mechagnome was giving like 10-40k dps increase but the spreadsheet is showing it as far more normal
low ruin
Outlaw simmed like aloooot in amisrasil, but no one played it
Bcuz the raid design was heavily favoured towards sub, this raid tier doesn't look like it is.
distant plinth
Bcuz the raid design was heavily favoured towards sub, this raid tier doesn't lo...
Hmmm, we will see
limber lion
Based name
royal lantern
Nobody is gonna play outlaw🤣
its gonna be the most played spec again
cus it almost always is lol
outlaw is the fury warrior of rogue
real pike
it's someone in Alex's guild tbf, I assume compared to their current race but I'm not sure which that is
limber lion
Like Mechagnome does 20k more dps than a Zandalari troll
real pike
not very helpful
limber lion
but it's the same as Dark Iron
Always have to keep in mind what they're comparing to
But yeah even 20k is super whatever
royal lantern
and that 10-20k is not really that much with our current numbers lol
limber lion
when you're doing 3m+ dps
distant plinth
huh I heard mechagnome was giving like 10-40k dps increase but the spreadsheet i...
I compared my sims to a troll, was 20k dps increase as well. But 20k is like almost nothing
limber lion
and that 10-20k is not really that much with our current numbers lol
based