assassination

[novel star]

and making changes to existing weakauras isnt that hard

[crisp stream]

It's easy bruh, if you don't like it don't do it, if you like it do it.
Why complicate things

[novel star]

i added a glow for fatebound's double shadowstep thing

that whispyrs pack didnt have

took 30 sec

[balmy condor]

yeah second this, whispyr's stuff is really good

[novel star]

ur stuff SUCKS

[runic hinge]

I’m using the guys weak aura pack and plater

[novel star]

GET OUTTA HERE!!!

[fickle lotus]

he should make guides or something i bet they'd be really good

[runic hinge]

It’s aight

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

yo who are you trying to be me?

[balmy condor]

wait a minute, this is my house

[novel star]

get back to ur math and ur bowling alley nerd

[balmy condor]

YOU GET OUTTA HERE

[slate crown]

[crisp stream]

Hello house

[fading siren]

wa!

[novel star]

yes sir 🫡

[slate crown]

yes!

WA!

[balmy condor]

WA!

[wise plume]

I just don't get why they'd make the change to thistle tea

[crisp stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

WA!

[novel star]

wont happen again 🫡

[fading siren]

WA!

[fickle lotus]

Do yall keep track of DN stacks on the target? or do you just keep track of the DN buff itself when you get it?

[wise plume]

I really wish we had other ways of applying deathmark

[slate crown]

!wa I'm sorry I couldn't resist

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

both I think

but idk

[runic hinge]

To make it passive for people who don’t want the hotkey

[balmy condor]

probably fine to not track the stacks for 90% of situations

[novel star]

cause for >90% of players thistle tea is just an annoying button and not worth the minmax anymore

forcing it is bad cause its toxic to people who do care but thats like a super minority

[balmy condor]

I'm still waffling back and forth whether I want to track it on nameplates or not

[fickle lotus]

Wait i just thought of a good idea, to highlight DN debuff on plater my weed riddled brain is working overtime right now

[balmy condor]

I just change the color

but showing the debuff next to rup

could be useful maybe

[crisp stream]

I think tracking DA stacks mostly matter in m+ , in raids it's more like one boss, where can it go anyway

[fickle lotus]

Yeah my plater is just tracking bleeds plus caustic atm

[wise plume]

tbh I don't use weakauras, but I do use plater and I havent messed with the settings at all

[fickle lotus]

oh god that sounds awful

so many debuffs....

[wise plume]

yeah its pretty nasty ngl

[vapid geode]

do i ever use shiv outside of kingsbane?

[fickle lotus]

no

[crisp stream]

Initially I was using quartz and a small set of bars appear on the screen, It requires magnifying glass to seem them. Then WA changed my life.

[wide dome]

Goodnight everybody

[wise plume]

i've been using the same addon layout since 2009, so throwing a weakaura into the mix really threw me off

[vapid geode]

is it worth to use if i need 1 cb for amina combo point or is it a dps loss

[fickle lotus]

dps loss

[crisp stream]

What if blizz never allowed addons?

[vapid geode]

ok ty

[crisp stream]

Life would be different

[balmy condor]

if blizz never allowed addons they would've needed to develop better interface options way earlier

and the game wouldn't look the same

[crisp stream]

Elvui gang would go on a strike

[wise plume]

real

[fickle lotus]

We would end up going back to using macros everytime we log in to change the interface

[cobalt sphinx]

"don't sell bismuth lockboxes for less than 5k, they have level 70 548 gear"

[runic hinge]

Blizz allowed Addons in vanilla so idk. They’ve just always been there

[flint gulch]

is there build that doesent uses tea

[balmy condor]

no

[novel star]

no

[runic hinge]

No

[wise plume]

no

[vapid geode]

do i have to switch targets for indiscrimate carnage to apply to all targets? i am not on to test which is why i am asking. sorry

[wise plume]

I think it'll automatically apply to npc's without the debuff

[balmy condor]

maybe I should make another command for that

[novel star]

if you dont switch targets you will "waste" one application on a refresh but it doesnt waste all 3

[balmy condor]

brb

[novel star]

your 2 garrote casts will be +3 and then +2 with main target refreshed

instead of +3 +3

whispyr command soon

wont have to type this ever again

lets fucking go man

[vapid geode]

thank you for the answer and explanation

will ask u again tomrrow to type again

[novel star]

np 🫡

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lighthouse-bird-seagull-faceoff-robert-pattinson-gif-15992992

[flint gulch]

since i have trouble with overstimuli the more things i have keep track of in effect littered enviorments the worse i play i process to much sensory information at once is there way to completly turn off every animation that isnt either me or the boss?

[ripe carbon]

u can turn down graphics but cant stop them

[ripe carbon]

there is a command to make it really little i think, some sort of script thing

[novel star]

this doesnt hide everything but its still good

[flint gulch]

i already did that but i need to turn them off completly its not related to how bright or flashy a animation is rather the amount

[ripe carbon]

https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/CVar_spellEffectlevel maybe this?

it doesnt work on all spells tho

[flint gulch]

how would i enable this?

[ripe carbon]

use the following slash command in game "/console spellEffectLevel ###" The second method give you the ability to adjust different values to experiment with what works best for you ### -- is a value from 1 to 1000

i dunno it affects some spells like cast by players

i think its jsut certian ones tho

[flint gulch]

LA had the option to just turn party effects aside from buffs off why WoW doesent has such a option?

[gray hazel]

is there a TWW version of the Tiered Medallion?

[fickle lotus]

Have you turned down particle density and turned off projected textures?

[ripe carbon]

prettyy sure its a raid drop

like the uh

[gray hazel]

Gotcha, thanks

[jaunty matrix]

its a crafting item

[ripe carbon]

recipe/learning thing

[jaunty matrix]

recipe drops from raid

[gray hazel]

ahh

[jaunty matrix]

and you need to put a crafing order for it

[gray hazel]

Dope, ty.

That is more annoying lol

[jaunty matrix]

yes

[fickle lotus]

say sike right now

[jaunty matrix]

dog company as always making things inconvenient for us

[jaunty matrix]

sike

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!swap

!swap

bot

!carnage

[next dust]

DEADGE

[balmy condor]

MADGE

the hell does it not wanna do it for

[fickle lotus]

!update

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[fickle lotus]

!carnage

[balmy condor]

yeah nice try bud

[next dust]

!carnage

[shy pecan]

!whispyr

[novel star]

i’m gonna have to step in.

[balmy condor]

mod only

[novel star]

!swap

[fickle lotus]

i thought it would be a command talking about the update 😭

[novel star]

fuck

[balmy condor]

!stats

oh bot is just actually dead

nice

[flint gulch]

how do i see if it works?

[slate crown]

u killed him

you killed moroes

why would you do this

[shy pecan]

RIP in pepperinos

[novel star]

!penispenisballsweenie

!tea

it’s over

[fickle lotus]

he was a bum

[balmy condor]

he is updating though

he's responding

!stats

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[novel star]

update: remove all commands. no backup.

[next dust]

HAHA its trolling u whisp

[balmy condor]

!wa

💀

[whole sand]

I'm sorry nerd, I can't let you do that

[next dust]

HAHAHAH

[novel star]

it’s fuckign over man

[balmy condor]

dude

what is his issue

what if I get rid of the command

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!wa

nice

[shy pecan]

lol

[novel star]

he’s pissed in other chats too

[fickle lotus]

Do update twice

[novel star]

dude on lunch break

[shadow badger]

!wa

[balmy condor]

I guess he maybe lost contact to the command sheet or something

[whole sand]

What will I do if someone wants their stat prio???? Interact with them????

[balmy condor]

very cringe

[novel star]

scream until they go away

the voices

aaaaauughAAAUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHGH

etc

[whole sand]

Ok

[balmy condor]

he still is able to do pokefusions in off-topic

banger

[whole sand]

Can we get the bot to do that

[novel star]

now check this one out

[flint gulch]

is there overview of how much apm you need to play a certain spec

[novel star]

!wa

Fuck

[fickle lotus]

yes but i don't rembmer where it was linked i just know it's out there

[balmy condor]

simcraft technically reports APM

but it also changes constantly with gear and talents

[novel star]

moment

[runic hinge]

He told me my vibe too

[balmy condor]

lets see if he updates the pins

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[novel star]

i got a trash vibe man. fuck

[fickle lotus]

just checked and if you click additional raid information it reports it yeah

[balmy condor]

NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ain't no way

[fleet pagoda]

would you say Moroes has gone... rogue

[balmy condor]

he just doesn't want to post commands

what is bros problem

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!wa

[novel star]

🍅

[balmy condor]

[whole sand]

Did you pay for the subscription

[balmy condor]

ain't my bot

it's fuu's

[flint gulch]

its kind ironic that the shortend muscle in my left forearm is only downside in games and well below average handsize so im bad at sustain apm if it needs to be high

[fading siren]

try wa! worked for me

[balmy condor]

wa!

I cry

WAH!

[whole sand]

Baited

[novel star]

look at this fucking buffoon

[fickle lotus]

there is an option to spam press a button if it's being held down

[novel star]

holy

[balmy condor]

dude said it would work

this is why I have trust issues

[novel star]

whispyr look up they wrote gullible on the ceiling

[balmy condor]

damn

you got me

[novel star]

ope got ur nose hehehehe

etc

[balmy condor]

I trusted a stranger on the internet, this is what I get

[flint gulch]

i know

[novel star]

Anyways

!wa

darn

[balmy condor]

bozo

[novel star]

[whole sand]

Is he dead everywhere or just here

[flint gulch]

its kindard for me to get good keybinds since i have so much damn limitations i have to keep in mind

[balmy condor]

everything that involves commands

well

sheet commands

in-built commands and pins seem fine

[junior aurora]

oh sheet

[balmy condor]

which is very strange

[novel star]

he can do the silly bot commands but not the big custom ones

[balmy condor]

the bot basically has a sheet where we can punch in chat commands

like the !wa and !stats and stuff here

[whole sand]

Is it sheet Samuel, was he pissed at the hotfix?

[balmy condor]

and then there's in-built ones that just happen

like the pokefusion stuff

is hard coded

but the same sheet that does the chat commands is also the one that does the piins

and the pins are fine

so idk what his problem is

[novel star]

so u broke it

[balmy condor]

he must be french, went on strike

[novel star]

[shadow badger]

is it just me or do most of these rogue changes seem kinda out of touch lol

[novel star]

really only tea and it’s a very minor thing

dust is the other big one and i thought the sub people didn’t like that button

passive snd owns ttk rework owns

[near canyon]

In m+ situation when going from 1 pack to another chain pulling and you have darkest night up , do you apply the mark 7 combo points or apply bleeds on targets first?

[novel star]

did midnight EST break the bot

[fickle lotus]

first you cry

[novel star]

or is that coincidence

[fickle lotus]

Also bleeds first if they will live long

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

the thing about dust is that it's like sticking your head into a fanblade to stop the fan from spinning. Yeah it fucking sucks and you don't really want it, but now the fan is still spinning and you have no way to stop it anymore

the base spec is the thing with issues

[shadow badger]

Dust is an issue sure but there’s like other things that make sub not make a lot of sense too. Like all tier cds being disconnected from one another. Without dust it just makes it worse.

[balmy condor]

so dust being gone just makes the base of the spec look awful

[novel star]

that’s fair, i have no idea what sub rotation is

[junior aurora]

it was really funny reading sepsis/dust removed and no other lines fixing sub

[novel star]

i never learned based on vibes alone

but good to know

[balmy condor]

sub rotation is like 3-4 cooldowns that all cool down at different times and don't line up for shit

[novel star]

i don’t remember any other issues with the changes though

[fickle lotus]

sub rotation is basically john fucking madden but 2024

[junior aurora]

telling u that the devs just read a bunch of people saying dust/sepsis sucks but didnt think to understand why

[novel star]

oh that’s yucky

[shadow badger]

But also those law changes are cool but will they ever address green skins never having existed?

Just a combo of slightly weird decisions

[balmy condor]

I don't think that's true, I think they get it but it's just not easy to fix everything all at once and there seems to be a theme of removing the stuff that makes the specs harder/more confusing, and dust has been kind of a painpoint in that regard for many many years

[junior aurora]

nobody sane over the age of 22 plays that spec so my eyes glaze over the changes

[balmy condor]

sepsis and dust are very obvious things to remove

[shadow badger]

I can’t help that I’m a zoomer bro let me zoom

[balmy condor]

but fixing the underlying problem itself is much more difficult

[earnest remnant]

couldve stopped at sane

[junior aurora]

problem now though is removing dust exposes the real problems

[novel star]

i’m 21 and i started with sin

[balmy condor]

yeah it be like that

but idk

time will tell

[novel star]

slow gamer

[junior aurora]

well

still 2 months until the patch

[novel star]

i guess 8.3 sin wasn’t really slow lol infinite energy for free

[junior aurora]

so plenty of revisions will be done im sure

[earnest remnant]

60apm

[novel star]

[junior aurora]

1 per gcd easy

[novel star]

i never look at apm stats in any game tbh

i mean i press a bunch of bullshit inputs for apm especially in league but i don’t actually look at the number

[shadow badger]

My apm is massive because I spam space and play outlaw what does that say about me

[fickle lotus]

I used to play mine builds in PoE this shit is easy compared to that

[earnest remnant]

you were energy capped and you had 0 off gcd buttons

and a gcd of 1 sec

[junior aurora]

as john blizzard intended stealthi

[novel star]

when did sin have to start caring about energy again

i feel like we still didn’t in shadowlands

am i misremembering

idk that expansion sucked

[junior aurora]

it was easy to manage energy on the bench

[novel star]

xd

guess what

!wa

FUCKER

RESPOND

[junior aurora]

just go to wowhead

the wa packages are on there too

[novel star]

i don’t want them

i just want to see if the bot works

it’s been broken for a little bit

testing !

[junior aurora]

go to botspam and do !mr

that should work

#bot-spam this channel

[novel star]

it’s only the big info commands that aren’t working

silly rng stuff is fine

[fickle lotus]

i can't believe that double focusing lens is the best embellishment according to that spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

I can't believe it either

[novel star]

what spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

fuu's

[novel star]

ah

[fickle lotus]

i'm glad to see my very intentional embellishments were the right choice

[novel star]

well i’d love to type !fuu rn but

!fuu

[fickle lotus]

(i chose them based off vibes alone)

[wise plume]

ion even kno what focusing lens does

[fickle lotus]

a proc of dmg with the damage type changing depending on what gems you have socketed

[wise plume]

interesting

idk, dawnthread gamer

[novel star]

same

[balmy condor]

just have giga dawnthread uptime

[fickle lotus]

I have zero faith in my healers

[balmy condor]

and it's the best

:)

[runic hinge]

Little mute roulette?

[wise plume]

same, permanent crit

[novel star]

dawnthread cheap. my ilvl bad

simple !

[balmy condor]

100% dawnthread uptime is better than any other combo I'm pretty sure

not that it's possible

but like

eat shit

[fickle lotus]

i'm sitting at 27% crit without it atm

[novel star]

i beg to differ

[wise plume]

im at 24% with it

[novel star]

simply play better

or die faster

both work

[balmy condor]

I forgot you're built diffy

[junior aurora]

almost got him with it but he got lucky

[fickle lotus]

pressing feint off cd

[novel star]

Ya u could say that. if u want

ed

[whole sand]

A guy in our guild got pocket grenade and it wasn't even 0.1 of his breakdown

[junior aurora]

gotta equip it next time

[fickle lotus]

i wonder if there is a world where pressing feint reduces aoe dmg to the point it keeps up dawnthread that it's a dps gain to press it

[balmy condor]

I mean that situation can and does happen yes

[runic hinge]

You go first

[balmy condor]

defensives are good to use

[runic hinge]

I just got back

[balmy condor]

being healthy is a good thing

[novel star]

you should be pressing feint anyway though

it’s broken

[whole sand]

But hekili doesn't tell me to

So it's clearly a dps loss

[novel star]

shut up shut up hekili isn’t real

[pastel talon]

!bugs

Hm

[fickle lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bug-insects-cockroaches-music-gif-5045519

[balmy condor]

it's okay, that specific chat command doesn't do anythign of value anyway

no one uses the github bug tracker

[fervent fractal]

I'm using an addon that helps with rotation, any one know how to pinpoint what these skills are

[pastel talon]

Lmao

[novel star]

what

like

the icons?

[fervent fractal]

yeah what skill is it

[whole sand]

Life imitates art

[fervent fractal]

the hook and the blue face I can't seem to locate them in the talents or the skill tree

[earnest remnant]

crippling poison

and stealth

[novel star]

^

[junior aurora]

@runic hinge ur turn bucko

[novel star]

there is so much beauty in this world

wow

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bparw9Jo3dk

so bright

[uncut dragon]

How much of a dps bump is our set bonus? I was going to tell my raid lead it will double my dps so I'll be top of the list for tier drops. flawless plan?

[balmy condor]

1% each

all the tier bonuses are pretty weak

and we're on the weaker side of the weak

[whole sand]

Just don't press deathmark until you have 4set

[deep radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview?gid=1489780415#

[balmy condor]

oh god not this thing again

[deep radish]

hahaha

SHEETS

[balmy condor]

Days without Aggregate spreadsheets:
1

0

reset the counters

[deep radish]

I mean he asked for numbers

[subtle iron]

Anyone here does world pvp¿?

[balmy condor]

might want to try in #pvp in hopes of finding 1 out of the dozen people that world pvp

[subtle iron]

Truers

But I'm just a bit confused on why everyone has more than double the hp and damage than I do

[strange python]

hi, is it hard to take melee position on raid as a rogue ? ( someone told me they dont prefer rogues on raids )

[subtle iron]

Like i've never done world pvp so this is just out of curiosity

[deep radish]

Do u have pvp gear

[subtle iron]

Is there a buff I have to get somewhere?

Oh yeah pvp gear is different right

[earnest remnant]

every raid team usually has 1-2 rogues

at all times

[slate crown]

It showed up in my guild's raider discussion tonight

[strange python]

really. why they prefer or why not 🙂

[keen spruce]

[storm hedge]

Hey, when there are 2 rogues in a raid should the second one take Atrophic or numbing poison. Heard that Atrophic is bugged and that it stacks.

[fickle lotus]

unironically what's wrong with it i'm a bit dumb

[balmy condor]

there's some inherent flaws with comparing sim numbers across specs and especially across classes due to differing implementations and philosophies from the TCs and stuff

like sims are synthetic situations to help compare gear and stuff

[bleak eagle]

whats the best spark item to craft rn?

[balmy condor]

they're useful tools

but they're not really meant for "is shaman better than mage"

or whatever

that's never been their intent and they've never been designed to be used as such

like we have the ER bug implemented in sims, but other classes might not

[fickle lotus]

ah i see what you mean okay it's what i was thinking

[balmy condor]

I personally don't put weight on stuff that's less than 0.3% typically in terms of the APL

[fickle lotus]

like it's a perfect scenario

[balmy condor]

but other TCs might just blast every positive gain

[keen spruce]

You’re a useful tool

[balmy condor]

like across all the specs, I think I'm one of the more "sims are playable" leaning TCs

I try to keep the sims very close to human

[deep radish]

Im no human

[balmy condor]

cause I don't think it's helpful to have a sim that plays at some absurd TAS level

doesn't really do anything for anyone

[storm hedge]

Whispyr do you create only the APL or the simc stuff as well

[keen spruce]

Same

[fickle lotus]

yeah it seems like there is a gonna be a good amount of cleave adds on raid fights so i would imagine caustic spatter gonna put us at top of stats

[novel star]

so youre sabotaging our chances to get raid spots!

GRRRRRR

[deep radish]

I swear outlaw having 89 apm is not human, im hitting 30 next year

[novel star]

but nah pretty based tbh

[keen spruce]

The only tool assist is @runic hinge holding my hand

[balmy condor]

I do the APL

for sim implementation it's koji or levy

they handle the C++ stuff

cause they're like actual code chads

I just tell people how to press buttons

[earnest remnant]

Immortal on progress its almost impossible to die on it, and it pretty much always have atleast 1 viable spec that does very strong dmg

and ofc Atrophic poison is a good bonus as well

[deep radish]

If the ER bug were to be fixed, how big of a dps increase would that be if you have any idea?

[balmy condor]

like a percent or two

[fickle lotus]

i'm still gonna run 2 in lethality out of spite even after it's fixed

[deep radish]

Would be nice, and it would smooth out the game play with ER

[storm hedge]

How about this? Is Atrophic actually bugged?

[earnest remnant]

last i checked in DF it was bugged yes

[deep radish]

Is kingsbane still not affected by our 2p?

[strange python]

this made me shocked.

i thought that rogue has worst survivibility then other melee specs
thanks for explaning

[balmy condor]

wouldn't be tracked as a bug if it were fixed

[deep radish]

[storm hedge]

In between cheat death, feint, and cloak, we are definitely not dying unless multiple people are dying as well.

[balmy condor]

rogue survivability sucks in solo content, in group content feint/cloak is insanely strong

we just can't take single hits to the face very well and don't have a lot of self healing

so stuff like solo delves kinda suck

but if you have a tank/healer present you're not getting hit by those single hits

[fickle lotus]

this is under the assumption you don't get hit by a bosses melee cleave on pull( 👀 Igira)

[balmy condor]

so you're kinda giga tanky

[storm hedge]

You shouldn't get hit by that ever though

[earnest remnant]

also the best class in the game to deal with AoE dmg

[balmy condor]

why tf would you get hit on pull by igira

[hot tiger]

speaking of delves, tricks of the trade works on brann in case anyone didn't know

[fickle lotus]

because i'm shit 😭

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[balmy condor]

this is actually kinda insane tech

finding a usage for tricks in 2024

is crazy work

[storm hedge]

I remember smolderon prog where I got meleed by him on pull sometimes being full second late, with tricks active so

[hot tiger]

switch to outlaw/sub, use trickster, you basically don't get hit

[fickle lotus]

I blame being hit on my tanks

[strange python]

Just

[fickle lotus]

don't say it, don't say to wait to dps, i can't my adhd won't let me

[novel star]

tricks is never going on my bar ever again

[balmy condor]

that's cause tricks is a shit ass ability lmao

[novel star]

idgaf if i can cheese delves with it

[deep radish]

Proccing cheat on pull isnt normal? wait

[storm hedge]

I just pull with evasion

[balmy condor]

I didn't think it was but one time I put elusiveness into the class tree import on accident and I got like a dozen complaints in an hour and a half about it

so maybe I'm the weirdo

[deep radish]

pre evasion on pull is goated

[novel star]

elusiveness kinda owns

[earnest remnant]

just have competent tanks that press taunt on pull

[storm hedge]

Yeah but can't do that now cause evasion is useful.

[earnest remnant]

like a normal humanbeing

[novel star]

cheat death is a yucky concept

mayb im yapping tho

[storm hedge]

I love elusiveness. It's just that cheat death saving 1 in 20 pulls can make the difference between kill or wipe.

[novel star]

yea

its sick with the m+ speedrun mentality or whatever but

i feel like a fuckin NOOB when i see the debuff from consuming it

[earnest remnant]

imagine not proccing it on purpose

to greed uptime

[errant trail]

how 2 show craft

[cunning basin]

Real af

[fickle lotus]

i understand that elusive is less dmg taken in the long run but cheat death is just way too op to pass up

[errant trail]

any1 using darkmoon embellishments

[rotund oak]

are they good

[errant trail]

how to

show the crafts bot

[fickle lotus]

[cunning basin]

Me use cheat death because sometimes me brain stop working

[rotund oak]

so confused rn

[storm hedge]

Isn't Ascension a Darkmoon embellishment? That's broken af rn.

But will probably be nerfed anyways

[rotund oak]

i know ascension to be a trinket

what embelishment

[sick bridge]

Is there a better simc rotation than Raidbot?

[novel star]

darkmoon sigil: ascension

and the writhing thing buffs it 2x or smth

[storm hedge]

And it's not expensive either.

[rotund oak]

yeah this is not embelishments

[novel star]

yes

they are

weapon embellishment and wrist embellishment

[rotund oak]

wait u mean this

[storm hedge]

Yes they are.

[rotund oak]

hold on

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=222680/darkmoon-deck-ascension

[storm hedge]

Nah that's trinket

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=226024/darkmoon-sigil-ascension

[novel star]

did i type deck or sigil

[rotund oak]

yeah yeah

[novel star]

but true similar name

asf

[rotund oak]

thats why i was confused

stupid game cant even name them properly

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

I mean it's cause it's the same effect

they do the same thing

[rotund oak]

yeah

[balmy condor]

one is a trinket, the other is an embellishment

so it makes sense that they're named similarly

[novel star]

ascension with the wrist thing simmed like .4% better than 2x dawnthread for me

so whatever

[balmy condor]

dawnthread at 80% is basically equal

[storm hedge]

Also the embellishment has the trinket as a crafting reagent iirc

[novel star]

yeh

not worth recrafting and shit idc

already choosing -2% for fatebound

need my money im broke

[balmy condor]

I think 80% is pretty reasonable as well tbh

[novel star]

pinned message just makes it sound like its like a crazy difference cause the bis on every spec line

but its like not that fucked up

[balmy condor]

yeh

[novel star]

simply

[balmy condor]

in bis fatebound is also within 0.5%

[rotund oak]

huh

[balmy condor]

so it's like

kinda whatever

[novel star]

u mean slightly diff bis for each hero spec or just like

the existing raid/m+ one on wowhead

is 0.5% without changing items

[balmy condor]

no I mean like to your comment of -2% for fatebound

[novel star]

yeye ik i just was wondering what "in bis" meant

like fatebound bis or just bis

[balmy condor]

whatever this profile I have

[novel star]

ik like survival hunter or something had 2 bis lists on wowhead when i looked so im dumb basically

but good to know its small asf

[balmy condor]

if I optimized the gearset for fatebound they'd probably be like within 0.2 or 0.1

but cba

[novel star]

jeepers

actually good job blizz

kinda

[balmy condor]

resimming 900 pieces of gear for secondary stat optimizations on 1/2 hero talents

miss me with that shit

[balmy condor]

yeh good job tuning indeed (ER bug). The fact that they're so close is honestly (ER bug) crazy, like within (ER bug) 0.5% is super super (ER bug) close

[rotund oak]

never even seen that on beta(not that embelishments worked but weird)

[novel star]

kinda

accidental balance is still balance

copium

or er is intentional

i win either way

[frosty vigil]

Guys i havent played retail in years but im back for tww. I decided to go for assa rogue. Can someone please share an updated wa for assa and if there is one updated wa for all dungeons. I can pay if needed.

[novel star]

!wa

Fuck

uhhh uhhh

[novel star]

here

whispyr one on the top is good

Stop

Dont

[balmy condor]

you're getting renamed oli sorry it's not up to me (it's up to me)

[novel star]

im WHAT

NOOOOOOOO

ITS NOT TRUE

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-furious-cat-cat-angry-fury-gif-23071861

[rotund oak]

Hello moroes replacement

[balmy condor]

!stats

!craft

!embellishment

[novel star]

sigh

[balmy condor]

!cockenlargementpills

chop chop

I need answers

[rotund oak]

bot hangover

[novel star]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec.
If you're looking for a quick recommendation:
Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility
It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[torn hinge]

So this is probably a stupid question, so where is assassination rogue lining up in terms of overall dps classes

[balmy condor]

big aoe small single target

[slate crown]

!best Ya gotta be quicker than that @novel star

[novel star]

i dont even know what the message is for this one

[balmy condor]

wow, there's even error messages when commands aren't found

that's crazy

[magic shore]

google for wago and youll find what you look for, i recommend Luxthos weakaura for rogues and if need be get the addons and weakauras for dungeons in curseforge

[novel star]

Penis-enlargement pills, patches, and ointments are sold online. Such products are generally considered ineffective.

[balmy condor]

wait

patches

how the hell that work

[novel star]

i actually dont know

[runic hinge]

Second foreskin

[balmy condor]

do these people think that you like

put a bandaid on your cock

and magical growth

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

i mean theres patches for like hrt and shit

[balmy condor]

like jack and the beanstalk type shit

[plain pier]

Hey so i was looking for a melee alt coming from only really playing warlock ( mainly aff ), how does the dot management feel from aff feel going into assassination?

[novel star]

so u can def get stuff in ur body dat way

but like

[novel star]

Sheesh

[balmy condor]

surely if I slap a testosterone patch on, it'll all go into my balls

[novel star]

!ballenlargementpatch

[balmy condor]

probably similar

it's just like maintain a couple dots

and then generate/spend on instant damage

so I guess that's kinda what aff does in a roundabout way

put up dots

drain soul

close enough I guess

[plain pier]

basically with soul shard gen into malefic rupture dump

[novel star]

god imagine how beautiful life would be if envenom was rapture

[balmy condor]

yeah that's probably more accurate

[novel star]

and not whatever is going on

[ripe saddle]

/cast [known: Blindside, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Mutilate . Does this work?

[novel star]

i dont even hate envenom i just like rapture

aff is cool man

[balmy condor]

why would you need this

blindside already replaces mutilate

[plain pier]

aight bet ill give assassination rogue a try!

[rotund oak]

?

its auto replacement

u dont rly need this

[novel star]

wow look at you helping people

[ripe saddle]

😄 sorry lol just geared up and making macros never played blindside yet my bad!

[novel star]

you should change your name to moroes replacement

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

grumbles really really angry but not actually that angry

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blast-off-launch-cat-jumping-into-camera-gif-6639037559618288527

[rotund oak]

solid try though,its legit

[earnest remnant]

Cant believe they are ruining my Thistle Tea soon man

[balmy condor]

I should change my name to guides due in an hour but haven't started and will be turning it in at 4am as per usual

[earnest remnant]

my skill expression

out the window

[balmy condor]

but thats a long name

idk if that'll fit

maybe just "procrastination god"

[novel star]

change ur name to gayspyr

owned

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

but I'm only half gay

[novel star]

bispyr

[balmy condor]

too close to bis lists

[novel star]

actually works better

[balmy condor]

slipperly slope

[novel star]

i wish my class had a bisexual list

[plain pier]

yourmomspyr

[balmy condor]

damn

[novel star]

Whospyr

[balmy condor]

momspyr is a reoccuring character on my stream sometimes

[novel star]

waow

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

mine too

believe it or not

[earnest remnant]

im finally sitting down and leveling an alt

[rotund oak]

aint no way

[balmy condor]

had a twitch chatter ask for her number one time and she said "sorry the 4th marriage is actually working out well"

[rotund oak]

raccoon alts

[balmy condor]

kinda based mom

[novel star]

damn goat

[balmy condor]

I'm never going to finish these guides man fuck

I'm too much of a yapper

it's joever

[novel star]

what guides

[balmy condor]

season 1

[novel star]

ah

[balmy condor]

m+/raid/tier pages

[novel star]

i thought u already went over stuff in the existing guide vids

[balmy condor]

as if I have raid tips to give

[rotund oak]

what are u lvling?

[balmy condor]

"don't stand in the ugly shit, and if you do stand in the ugly shit use a defensive"

man idfk

why do you guys listen to me

I'm a fucking idiot

just press buttons

[fleet pagoda]

i'll gladly receive your tip though

[earnest remnant]

guess

[balmy condor]

ayo what

[plain pier]

write the guides in only emojis ez pz

[rotund oak]

[rich lagoon]

!craft

[arctic tusk]

if we have more than enough energy during our burst do we need to tea? from my understanding we are not doing it for the mastery atm

[rotund oak]

a responsible idiot that wants to help nonetheless

so we take u

above everyoen else

[balmy condor]

[full schooner]

I finally understand

[balmy condor]

correct

[obsidian oyster]

!wa

[void mesa]

🟣 🗡️ 💯

[fleet pagoda]

shank the warlocks?

[spring socket]

did i read its going to cast automatically on 11.0.5?

[void mesa]

Damn this is hard to write guides with only emojis, rip

[fickle lotus]

https://www.tiktok.com/@wolpx1/video/7408808953137843502

[balmy condor]

🟥 🗡️
🟩

there

that's my M+ and raid pages

[fickle lotus]

which swirly do i step in that gives me the most dmg?

[novel star]

genuinely no idea what red dagger and green teddy bear are supposed to mean

[balmy condor]

sorry I don't speak french

[plain pier]

wait its all so clear now

[balmy condor]

red = stab

green = friend

[novel star]

hmmmmm

[balmy condor]

also can someone explain to me why I need to give a build for each individual dungeon and list the best hero talent for each individual dungeon

google is a mistake

I hate SEO

[novel star]

you do?

[balmy condor]

It's gonna be the same fuckin build

for every dungeon

[novel star]

you would never get it

double vanish is bis in rookery

lock the fuck in

[fickle lotus]

he does if it's a maxroll guide

[silk bane]

OH WAIT WAIT I GOT SOMETHING FOR THIS ONE BRB

[novel star]

is that even the dungeon people are upset about stealth breaks on i dont remember man

[balmy condor]

fuck no I would never do maxroll guide

[balmy condor]

but like

[silk bane]

akshully

[balmy condor]

I gotta do this

that's the template

[silk bane]

dungeon x has 2 extra prio mobs

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

and like

why

[spice spire]

Don’t steal my stuff

[silk bane]

what u gonna do about it

wanan fight? come over. wear something nice

i got resos

[spice spire]

Kiss you on the mouth bud

[silk bane]

okay bring it on

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/owo-love-cat-meow-heart-gif-4559932780455511834

[fickle lotus]

put elusive as the choice node

[storm stone]

S you just copy paste the same for all dungeons xd?

[balmy condor]

hello mr guide writer I see you said hybrid deathstalker for every dungeon but when I type !build in this streamers chat it says that he plays fatebound in grim batol under level 17 if the summer solstice lands on the 2nd sunday of the month can you explain that to me

[balmy condor]

I mean, yeh that's what I'm gonna do

[novel star]

ive never pushed high high shit so ive never even really heard of this concept

but i guess it makes sense

for some classes

probably

[balmy condor]

I mean some classes it's like very clearly "this tree does more cleave, this tree does more single target, this tree does more aoe"

but for us it's like "this is prio, and this is the same but not prio"

[silk bane]

can u exlain pls? hes timed more 19s than after spending the last 50 months stuck in q so he must be the best

[balmy condor]

deathstalker probably just gets played for bait and switch alone

like you'd never play fatebound

just on grounds of the defensives being shit

[novel star]

i assumed how severe prio stuff is is more about key level than the individual dungeon tbh

[silk bane]

prios always good

funnels always good

[balmy condor]

whispyr if you know how to play why aren't you grinding m+ for 12 hours a day? bit hypocritical to be so judgemental when you don't put in the work

[novel star]

i mean yeah

[balmy condor]

that's me

[novel star]

whispyr switches to feral

[silk bane]

okay but can we please get this emote?

[balmy condor]

live image of me reading assa chat 11:35 on a thursday

the cat

[silk bane]

quake straight up cooekd with this one

[balmy condor]

not that ugly fuck

why his eyes be glowing like that

stay back demon

[silk bane]

AKSHULLY

why bro got a pencil on his glasses

bro living in 1940s

[jade abyss]

Hello Mr Whispyr why you have a real life and dont grind wow 24/7 ?

[balmy condor]

AKKKCHSULLY his eyes aren't GLOWING, they function like cat's eyes. No they don't REFLECT light, they REFRACT light, it's different okay, what you're seeing is actually the light focusing in their cornea, not like a mirror which would REFLECT light

[silk bane]

bro grinding maple story instead

the better game

hes based for this

[balmy condor]

I haven't done my maple dailies in like a week

it's so bad

[spice spire]

Fellas

I have a question

Is this based

[balmy condor]

no

[silk bane]

bro got a light bulb inside him

[spice spire]

Call me a light bulb

[balmy condor]

I stand by my statement

[silk bane]

F in the chat for bro

[spice spire]

Mentally Ill rogues as per usual

[balmy condor]

howling alien people

[spice spire]

I forgot that one

[placid flint]

Got a Earthern With a Boost with a Rogue and Warrior's name on it. Hearing lots of love for warrior but mixed from rogues in the guild...What am i missing?

[silk bane]

your own judgment

thats what

[balmy condor]

a life

[silk bane]

real

[shy pecan]

Why do you have to put undad on blast like that

[bleak crag]

Hello I think this could.be added in bis rogue trinket obtainable through delve , so probably possible to get a high item level one

[silk bane]

its not very good

[bleak crag]

At the moment my 580 outdps arakara 593 by a lot

[silk bane]

got nerfed by like 75% before going live

[spice spire]

because

[balmy condor]

he didn't say it was bis, he said he THINKS it could be added in bis armin

[silk bane]

[bleak crag]

Sims pretty high

[balmy condor]

but like seriously idk sounds like your guild has it figured out

[hot tiger]

i'm going to pretend conductor's wax whistle is bis because i like the funny minecart

[shy pecan]

[errant trail]

what are good trinkets

[jade abyss]

We need a uwu dungeon instead a ara ara dungeon

[runic hinge]

I hate it because it has a cast time and feels clunky

[errant trail]

i seen some rogues go sac

[balmy condor]

thats a good trinket

[bleak crag]

Not different than puzzle box

[rotund oak]

plz no,its too much

[plain pier]

this might be bis tbh

[runic hinge]

Quake do I try mute roulette again

[spring socket]

what trinkets should we be aiming for from heroics ?

[jade abyss]

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a bit different than puzzle box because puzzle box was good, and that one isn't

[errant trail]

[jade abyss]

Dbw was goated

[storm hedge]

Based

[bleak crag]

Which trinket do you use atm

[balmy condor]

like me personally?

or is that a philosophical question

[errant trail]

what trinkets u using

[bleak crag]

Yes or what do you recon would.be bis rn

[shy pecan]

Oh no

[bleak crag]

I would like to get it and compare sims

[balmy condor]

I use signet + sacbrood and didn't bother to give any more thought than that

[shy pecan]

RIP you for asking that question

[balmy condor]

because it's fucking heroic

what are we doing

[bleak crag]

Fair

[storm hedge]

It depends on the tuning they are gonna do on Tuesday

[jade abyss]

Grinding bis heroic gear and switch it after the first m0 dungeon

[rotund oak]

well if he would ask what u were wearing things might go a diff way,trinket is more formal 😂

[bleak crag]

I could be interested in that aswell

[balmy condor]

a teal shirt with a toucan on it and some dark grey/blue shorts

[spring socket]

nah just didnt know what to pait with scab

[rotund oak]

damn

[bleak crag]

Shirt seems dope

[spring socket]

id always buy u a drink before id ask what u were wearing

[hot tiger]

is the teal shirt bis

[bleak crag]

With the toucan its bis witb a socket

[balmy condor]

Idk I think it’s pretty dope

that does not look teal

[spring socket]

thats grey

[bleak crag]

Looks grey af

[balmy condor]

I promise it’s real

It’s just the background

Or something

idk

how do colors work

[spring socket]

its grey dude

[rotund oak]

where's the

[balmy condor]

ITS NOT GREY

[bleak crag]

And that is how he learned hes colorblind

[rotund oak]

we need the cat

[balmy condor]

NO

ILL TAKE A PICTURE ON MY NICE CAMERA WHEN I GET HOME

[spring socket]

triggered

[balmy condor]

ITS TEAL

[crystal star]

Make a poll

[balmy condor]

IM GETTING GASLIT

[spring socket]

colourblind mode enabled

[balmy condor]

hopefully not at work

that's not safe for cat

[silk bane]

IS IT GONNA BE ON THE OF?

[rotund oak]

jokes on u,he's probably nailing on ur laundry

[silk bane]

CAN I GET EARLY ACCESS

[balmy condor]

wait, this was the shirt I had on for the video yesterday I think

hold

ITS NOT GREY

[errant trail]

ur a toucan fan

i c

[balmy condor]

think my gf got me this shirt actually

she's a big bird fan

[crystal star]

https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQQw3Lgd

[cursive shadow]

Hey guys, about to craft a rune branded tunic, which embellishments would be the all around best option?

[balmy condor]

please don't craft into a tier slot 3 days before raid release

[cursive shadow]

Hmm...good point

well shyte xD

[balmy condor]

okay

now that I talked you off the ledge

read the pins

[balmy condor]

NO

STOP

[crystal star]

😂

[jade abyss]

Never

[balmy condor]

I thought I needed to fight misinformation in spreadsheets

They got the straw poll misinfo now

It’s evolving

[jade abyss]

Grey is winning

[runic hinge]

Same

[balmy condor]

This is bubs

[runic hinge]

What a cutie

Stu rn

[balmy condor]

What a monster

[runic hinge]

First thing when we got home. He got down from the cage and attacked the gf’s sandals lol

[spice spire]

Despite all his rage he’s just a rat in a cage

[novel star]

so silly

[tawdry sedge]

what is the second best weapon enchant for assa rogues?

authority of the depths cant be found in AH

[jade abyss]

He is judging us

[balmy condor]

Radiant power

[tawdry sedge]

thanks ^^

[sudden trench]

@balmy condor question for you. In what order do you rank the current 3 specs for raid only. Based on the raid fight uptime on bosses ect.

[balmy condor]

Assa, outlaw, subtlety

In order of alphabet

[lusty delta]

Hey whispyr what made you sure that the weapon craft is right and that it will no be nerfed come Tuesday or mythic week?

[sudden trench]

Interesting, didn't think sub is your 3rd 🙂 ty

[balmy condor]

Nothing, I’m taking a shot in the dark

[strange python]

we all follow our savior whispyr

[agile kestrel]

how do we feel about ulria's tier+PI sims? it puts outlaw pretty high above the rest

[storm hedge]

If ER bug doesn't get fixed do we drop resounding clarity and get 2nd point of lethatility? For DS

[sick bridge]

Is there any better simc input for Assassination? Raidbot's DPS is consistently 70-100k lower than actual

[strange python]

so wep + patch we full sending? i will still wait for wensday reset

[balmy condor]

It’s an aggregate sheet, kinda just as pointless as any other aggregation

[balmy condor]

No, what are you even comparing here

[balmy condor]

whatever you wanna do

I didn’t use spark yet

Just crafted dagger and wrist and called it a day

[sick bridge]

Actual DPS in 5 minutes on dummy vs. Raidbot's reported DPS

[fair coyote]

have you simmed training dummy, hit the raiding training dummy and checked that it wasnt low hp?