even though its wrong
#assassination
haughty flicker
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
narrow girder
is there any config file u can give me for these settings
cobalt sphinx
i just think q and e are closer and less strain than 1, 3, and 4 so preference aside they make the most sense for "spam" buttons from a purely logical standpoint
hollow hemlock
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
vast patio
Question: how come sin doesn't run subterfuge in the deathmark delve spec?
cobalt sphinx
it doesn't give you damage
spice spire
Question: how come sin doesn't run subterfuge in the deathmark delve spec?
Improved garrote exists
vast patio
The stealth bug has screwed over my death marks a lot
cobalt sphinx
Yeah it's still useful for fixing mistakes but not optimal given perfect play
you're fine to run it anyway
vast patio
What would you drop for it? I see why you don't but it's so annoying when you don't get the restealth, or some nonsense just knocks you out.
whole sand
is there any config file u can give me for these settings
for the UI? its elvui mostly and i don't think i can share it because i'm a cuck and pay atrocity to do all of that for me
for the bindings as far as i'm aware you can't export them, but it wouldn't do much good anyway, you can copy from the screenshot but, as you can tell from everyone else's madness, you really come to your keybinds on your own, just stick to the same principles of what button does what and mess around until it feels right
proper axle
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.
The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.
ashen topaz
hey guys, how do u guys deal with dungeon mobs breaking stealth before u get ur ambush off for assa deathstalker? am i doing something wrong? tank pulls and sometimes mobs break my stealth before i can come close and ambush
vast patio
Timing
solar orbit
Are the new changes coming soon or are they coming in november with the 20th anni?
solar orbit
Chronicles of a death foretold part 2 lol
cobalt sphinx
What would you drop for it? I see why you don't but it's so annoying when you do...
i assume reprimand but you can really do anything you want with your talents for delve, it's not a single target patchwerk encounter so there's not really an ideal simulation scenario
you can tailor your build to your playstyle for them
runic hinge
The stealth bug has screwed over my death marks a **lot**
You could just run fatebound
cobalt sphinx
that too
runic hinge
Nothing like the double tails proc from stealth with your sbs critting just one tapping a mob for you
vast patio
I only saw the sub stuff, how bad is sin getting hit?
vast patio
Besides the thistle thing
haughty flicker
whole sand
if we stopped dooming about tea its actually a pretty neat buff
brave stump
im yellow name
whole sand
the double envenoms during burst will be nice
brave stump
i only know dooming
vast patio
Should make it a choice node.
whole sand
i think realistically its just an indicator about what they want to do with the spec more than what they will be doing
gritty laurel
unbinding SnD is what gets me most hot and bothered for the upcoming changes
brave stump
Each time tea will proc due to being under threshhold you will hear the SnD audio que, so we know what we gained for that loss
gritty laurel
sigh, time to go make that a weakaura
devout mist
When u auto proc 
a brit falls over and spills his cup
haughty flicker
i really dont get the hyper focus on the tea change
brave stump
ye i meant the auto proc
spice surge
Well it doesnt matter. The absolute majority of teas value is in the energy anyway, so even if you "waste" a proc its real not that relevant
haughty flicker
the bigger issue is the er icon is ugly
brave stump
Well it doesnt matter. The absolute majority of teas value is in the energy anyw...
i was just memeing
balmy condor
I love the er icon
haughty flicker
brave stump
I love the er icon
Mr Whispyr am i allowed to ask you a degen question
slate crown
blue er is the only er i accept
hardy wind
tbh was hoping to see ER deathstalker bug fix but womp womp
hope it is not working as intended
brave stump
are you any energy starved on any time in a 5 minute dummy fight
im such a pepega on assa it unbelieveable
lol
hardy wind
assn can be pretty chill outside of CDs but last time i played was aberrus sop what do i know
ashen rover
are you any energy starved on any time in a 5 minute dummy fight
The other day I did a like 45 min dummy fight (pack) (don't ask me why) so no 
ashen rover
Yea on ST you're expected to be energy starved outside of CD, you're mainly chilling
novel star
are you any energy starved on any time in a 5 minute dummy fight
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
novel star
assassination rogue is supposed to run out of energy
the rotation is based around uptime
you press envenom when the buff is in pandemic
pliant terrace
@balmy condor is your wago pack updated for all 3 specs or is it mostly just sin?
ashen rover
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
brave stump
darkest night or w/e its called
novel star
mark back up is always prio
and on ds you take rapid injection
so even more reason to pool
brave stump
so i always go for darkest night?
novel star
yes
deft vault
can we use 2x dawnthread?
novel star
you choose to play deathstalker because of the mark
brave stump
ye
novel star
reapplying mark is prio over just uptime or you'd be better off not being deathstalker
novel star
can we use 2x dawnthread?
yes
deft vault
idk if mine is bugged but its nott giving me double the crit
gritty laurel
saw someone earlier say to drop below hp threshold and when you heal back up itll apply both
novel star
buff was also bugged (tooltip at least) when i first equipped it yea but at some point after actually playing it fixed
deft vault
saw someone earlier say to drop below hp threshold and when you heal back up itl...
oh yeah that worked
novel star
its fine
gritty laurel
not the best, not the worst
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is your wago pack updated for all 3 specs or is it mostly ...
It has support for trickster and stuff but outside of the base tracking and cleanup I haven’t done anything specifically for the other two specs
brittle quiver
whispyr, no more 2nd er talent and double lethality?
other rogue in guild saying this is what does more
balmy condor
Ye
brittle quiver
wprd
celest helm
i noticed in my sims running the 2nd lethality was a massive dps gain i was shocked
balmy condor
Yeah, bugged er will do that
hardy wind
no chance that it is working as intended.. right? 
junior isle
Im finding myself running out of energy and not sure why c.c
shy pecan
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
deft vault
how muchare yall simming?
junior isle
damn. Okay I felt like I was doing something wrong, and felt like I should be doing something different cuz after I have completed my opener im just sitting there auto attacking the dummy waiting for my envenoim to hit 1 second
snow kindle
It’s like you’re playing classic
junior isle
how muchare yall simming?
On patchwork im simming 808, but i suck so i prolly cant hit 808k
deft vault
On patchwork im simming 808, but i suck so i prolly cant hit 808k
wtf
im simming for 725 and i feel like im pretty optimized lol
deft vault
can u dm your sim
ivory flower
does iron wire have DR
No Dr
orchid cedar
does atrophic poison stack with other rogues?
iron carbon
does atrophic poison stack with other rogues?
It should not
spice surge
Not sure if theyve fixed it, but it did stack before
snow kindle
Iron wire def has a DR
iron carbon
But it seems you can stack 2 cuz of bug
junior isle
can u dm your sim
did
shoukd we still be pooling envenoms with the 1 sec timer during the opener?
shy pecan
You don't pool during CDs
junior isle
didnt think so but I wasn't sure. Thanks for all the assistance I really appreciate it
true rapids
do you only take vicious venoms(if you dont wanna fok in st) on pure st fights or ones with add cleave as well?
junior isle
cds are for doing damage
Ive watched all your videos and read the guides, Ive been gone from wow since SL and only have ever played mage since BC. So its alot diff than I am used to
cobalt sphinx
Not sure if theyve fixed it, but it did stack before
lol what the fuck
that's a funny bug
if only 40 man raids were still a thing
turn up to with world boss with 100% atrophic
balmy condor
do you only take vicious venoms(if you dont wanna fok in st) on pure st fights o...
it's fine in add cleave as well
spice surge
It stacked/stacks multiplicatively
balmy condor
turn up to with world boss with 100% atrophic
well they're not additive so that's fine
orchid cedar
btw why is Maxroll not a good source for a guide?
spice surge
So it would never be 100%
orchid cedar
comparing it with the wowhead one
shy pecan
btw why is Maxroll not a good source for a guide?
!roll
prisma monolithBOT
Maxroll's guides are currently facing large scale accusations of plagiarism, are clearly written with AI, and have questionable accuracy. They are not currently suggested as guides; hopefully this will change in the future
balmy condor
well
maybe that's out of date
they admitted to the AI
and then took it out
maybe there's still more AI
maybe there's not
who knows
orchid cedar
i was looking at it couse it breaks down bosses
but i don't know how accurate it is
kindred cobalt
balmy condor
if you're just going for boss breakdowns it's probably fine
cobalt sphinx
So it would never be 100%
You could get pretty close with a couple hundred rogues though
balmy condor
but maxroll as a company itself is basically just in the business of signing big names to drive their SEO
their other game guides are pretty much just slop
but they partner with streamers
or echo in this case
for the name recognition
and that's their whole shtick
quality control over there is..... less than ideal
but what can you do
it's meant to get clicks
and slapping a name on a mystery box is good enough
iron carbon
Whispyr, what's your twitch?
balmy condor
linked in my profile
errant swallow
Twitch, what's your Whispyr?
balmy condor
and for the record, I don't have anything against the echo people writing the actual guides
it's a problem with the companies themselves
iron carbon
Indeed, soz, back from party, I'm not really aware
balmy condor
the players writing them are just kinda stuck with it
orchid cedar
is that bad for Echo brand image?
balmy condor
idk if you've been online in the last couple weeks
but echo's brand image has bigger issues atm
iron carbon
How come?
orchid cedar
silk bane
but echo's brand image has bigger issues atm
dramaaaaa
iron carbon
I love gossiping
balmy condor
I mean first they had qiddiya plastered all over their race to world first race stuff
which ya know
balmy condor
saudi money
is kind of touchy
then one of their raiders had a second accusation of like not really assault but aggression and being weird and shit with an ex gf
and then he responded
and it kinda blew over and was okay
and just seemed like a nasty breakup whatever
and then echo earlier today said there was a THIRD accusation and they got rid of him
they also have since removed all the qiddiya stuff
prisma coral
am I dumb or is the inevitability/cold blood change saying the next two envenoms crit?
silk bane
then one of their raiders had a second accusation of like not really assault but...
i thibk there was a third today
he has been terminated apparently
balmy condor
am I dumb or is the inevitability/cold blood change saying the next two envenoms...
yes, just like now
balmy condor
he has been terminated apparently
can you keep reading please
keen tree
what is qiddya?
silk bane
i wish i couldread
silk bane
I heard there was a third accusation
there was a third one today
midnight mist
idk if you knew
silk bane
yeah
midnight mist
ok thats actually insane stuffs
silk bane
he has been teminated
quick echo
But i wanted to tell you that
balmy condor
what is qiddya?
it's a huge mega-city thing in saudi arabia that's been wrapped up in a lot of worker's rights issues and general saudi-human-rights-womens-rights-other-rights-everyones-rights-nonsense
quick echo
He was also terminated
balmy condor
kind of messy
midnight mist
terminated ? !
quick echo
T E R M I N A T E D dude
slate crown
it's a huge mega-city thing in saudi arabia that's been wrapped up in a lot of w...
But is it crafted in the image of a geometric shape?
orchid cedar
you guys don't accept their culture 
tired gull
Did you guys hear he got terminated
hexed tartan
Anyone knows if the rings from Queen Ansurek works with Caustic Spatter?
quick echo
Im deaf. So no I didnt hear it. But I did read he was terminated. Pretty sure.
keen tree
it's a huge mega-city thing in saudi arabia that's been wrapped up in a lot of w...
ah ok thx
balmy condor
Anyone knows if the rings from Queen Ansurek works with Caustic Spatter?
items do not interact with class mechanics
hexed tartan
thanks
balmy condor
also depends how much you separate the org from the guild as well, like team liquid the organization has also taken saudi money and all that, but team liquid the guild hasn't
but echo is just like
echo
idk exactly what the split is organizationally between like team liquid dota/csgo
and team liquid world of warcraft
but yeah
big messy
grave ivy
you're big messy
balmy condor
I am big messy
orchid cedar
i don't think i will ever blame an org for taking money
they are there for the money
balmy condor
yeah but taking 100 dollars from a random guy is kinda different from taking 100 from like a serial killer right
severe sparrow
i had a guy who claimed to be a saudi prince offer me money once to teach him how to grow shrooms. highly confusing. if youre a saudi prince im sure you can procure those.
orchid cedar
for me it isn't the same but...
severe sparrow
hear me out
keen tree
i dont think saudi money is particularly bad tbh
severe sparrow
if you take money from the serial killer, the serial killer is now poorer
limber lion
We had something similar akin to a saudi oil prince in a guild I was in
Everyone got sent free graphics cards at the end of the tier
Was pretty dank
balmy condor
that's wild
limber lion
A random wr25 or whatever guild
prisma coral
whispyr pardon being the 100th to ask but as you still recommending reprimand across the board for Deathstalker considering
limber lion
!dn
prisma monolithBOT
Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
limber lion
There's a command for it
keen tree
thats crazy @limber lion
balmy condor
point #2
limber lion
ER good, RC bad
balmy condor
iron carbon
There's a command for it
So fast
midnight mist
thats a big command
orchid cedar
i also think that one guy doing bad shit shouldn't ruin an org image if they act in consecuence
balmy condor
we have many big commands
orchid cedar
but that's copium i guess
limber lion
thats crazy <@165215952479322112>
Still using the graphics card 
prisma coral
sorry I am in and out
iron carbon
thats a big command
Jealousy?
midnight mist
i feel bad sometimes when i see how long our commands are in outlaw
but then
i just come here
and i feel good again
balmy condor
yeah I legit don't care how long the command is in here
limber lion
I'll take a free 4070 TI Super any day of the week
balmy condor
I'm just happy I have a command don't need to answer the same fucking question over and over
midnight mist
very valid mister whisperer
limber lion
Yeah, Assa went from being off-topic to being bot-spam
prisma coral
again sorry figured just had not seen that
balmy condor
you're good
prisma coral
somehow
prisma coral
appreciate everything you guys do, havnt had another rogue in my group for years to bounce shit off of
balmy condor
can't relate, every time I have another rogue in my group it just ends up being the same thing 
prisma coral
"am i crazy" as I am trying to reset combat at the target dummies
spice surge
we have many big commands
Thats right people, the biggest commands, they dont have em, they dont have em as big over in #outlaw do they? No they dont, we have the biggest
prisma coral
i remember the days before discord where it was just the website
midnight mist
seems like we are much more efficient at that since we dont have huge wall of texts ! !
clever perch
So are we raiding with Dawnthread Lining x2 for now?
severe sparrow
outlaw is for zoomers who need icons to keep their attention cuz you cant put procs in text 
balmy condor
we don't make commands for the eye candy zac sorry I don't got 2 emotes in my name to try and be special
midnight mist
fuu added the banana
keen tree
us boomers far prefer sin
balmy condor
So are we raiding with Dawnthread Lining x2 for now?
think at this point I'd probably craft a dagger and if you have to recraft to get rid of the embellishment you take the L
severe sparrow
i wish i didnt suck horse cock at sin in keys though
balmy condor
but kinda just fucking doomed no matter what you do
cause you already know the moment you craft something
blizzard is gonna come out and go
novel star
i wish i didnt suck horse cock at sin in keys though
i wish i did
keen tree
lol
prisma coral
i kinda miss the tomb of sargaras DfA sub build, and outlaw S1 dragonflight before they made it "less consistant"
novel star
im 
they change the broken shit
celest helm
potentially stupid question, but does anyone know if the ring from Ansurek that poison ring, would it work with Caustic Spatter
balmy condor
potentially stupid question, but does anyone know if the ring from Ansurek that ...
items don't interact with class mechanics
clever perch
think at this point I'd probably craft a dagger and if you have to recraft to ge...
i just used x2 on cloak and Wrist
limber lion
potentially stupid question, but does anyone know if the ring from Ansurek that ...
nej
distant swift
Sub in s1 was fun af tbh
clever perch
and daggers have no embellishment
celest helm
unlocko, ty kings
severe sparrow
sub is tainted too hard for me for trying to pick it up for smoldy
and then the guild taking 20394820 years to get a kill on him
clever perch
me and my embellished dagger reading this
which embellishment u have in dagger
balmy condor
ascension
slate crown
I haven't crafted anything or using any embellishments
spice surge
me and my embellished dagger reading this
Can you make the elemental lens enchant proc nature damage so it gets buffed by lingering? 
slate crown
I'm casual carl
balmy condor
slate crown
it me
balmy condor
like the thing I said
distant swift
Yeah I will also wait for crafting
spice surge
Or is it only a sub thing because shadow
balmy condor
it's a sin thing too I think
void mesa
I think waiting for M+ to open to get big crafts x2 is gonna be the play
balmy condor
but like fuck if I know or care, too many bugs to keep track of
spice surge
As in is there a gem that makes it do nature
void mesa
And hopefully blizz is done tuning by that point
spice surge
Idk
balmy condor
As in is there a gem that makes it do nature
oh idk maybe emerald?
whole sand
they're never done
balmy condor
I think waiting for M+ to open to get big crafts x2 is gonna be the play
yeah generally agree
whole sand
you're never safe
balmy condor
and that bug is not even a blip on my radar
I wish I had the time in my day to worry about lingering darkness buffing trinkets
spice surge
Ye its more impactful on sub because theres a "beacon" type trinket that does shadow
And just a lot more shadow damage in general
void mesa
Some of my guildies are going ultra tryhard this week and I'm just, unbothered. Who cares about the first week of N/H raid anyways, just gonna play it like it's story mode 
balmy condor
based
limber lion
Damn instead of telling people to read pins, the man just goes to the pins himself to screenshot the pin he made
void mesa
based
limber lion
balmy condor
I think the ultimate bm would be getting like a screenshot application thing that people use in 2024 for some fucking reason
like what's that one
giphy
or some shit
severe sparrow
puush?
cobalt sphinx
Gyazo
balmy condor
gyazo
limber lion
gyazo 🤮
severe sparrow
keep saving it as a jpg and get it real deep fried
fleet pagoda
send an imgur link to a screenshot of the pin
pin a screen shot of the pin, link to that pin
whole sand
guys i have news
balmy condor
congratulations
whole sand
we have again survived another tuning week
deep sorrel
we have again survived another tuning week
could you link pls & ty
severe sparrow
why is my launcher blurry
void mesa
i tho we were getting real news smh
whole sand
void mesa
wtf is this blue post o.o
whole sand
they just killed some tiers
void mesa
Nerfing tiers and buffing baseline when all tier sets are bad o.o
balmy condor
bro, won't blizzard please think about the poor spreadsheet aggregators
limber lion
Can't kill what's dead
balmy condor
now they have to re-compile all their useless information
void mesa
bUT mY SImS!!11!!
balmy condor
it's a bad day to be a google sheets andy
a sheet samuel
a google garret
a google sheet gisela
idk
I'll think of something
whole sand
you'll get it
prisma coral
2 pc "some of the things you are doing passively get better" 4pc "the thing that got better passively makes this other stuff you do better"
strange python
Guys, hear me out. We all need to underperform during heroic week. This will ensure we get buffed too much and we can slam on mythic.
void mesa
what if i'm using my 2pc %increase as an excuse to funnel all loot towards myself
and now it's bad
whole sand
they had to make the tiers boring so we could focus on the dramatic changes introduced with hero talents, such as flipping a coin
balmy condor
won't blizzard please just consider the poor spreadsheet aggregators, as well as the poor heroic week loot funnels
F to heroic week loot funnelers
balmy condor
innocent lambs in the slaughter of blizzard tuning
celest helm
Guys, hear me out. We all need to underperform during heroic week. This will ens...
my boy Kaipo with the big brain
prisma coral
I could only dream of seeing a coin flip I have been on the ds train this whole time
strange python
my boy Kaipo with the big brain
just serving the community one idea at a time
prisma coral
I have no idea how to change it
balmy condor
whole sand
yellow name take
void mesa
can't reach the role change without acro
severe sparrow
celest helm
why do i have subtlety trickster role, how did i even get that
whole sand
i hadn't looked at this discord in ages and when i came back for the expansion i was apparently a streamer
prisma coral
there
novel star
roles are kinda broken
celest helm
someone get rid of sub trickster role from me plz save me
novel star
sepsis changed to fate tails automatically and its not removeable
void mesa
wait, even from there, I can't remove Assassination - Fatebound Tails D:
balmy condor
why do i have subtlety trickster role, how did i even get that
you probably had a role I edited into trickster
limber lion
sepsis changed to fate tails automatically and its not removeable
I think you can figure out the reason why that is
dull parrot
Hey guys can u recommend any Assa player that has a good guide out ? just started today with rogue and want to get into it real quick
limber lion
Hint: there's nothing broken about it
novel star
?
limber lion
Hey guys can u recommend any Assa player that has a good guide out ? just starte...
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
severe sparrow
i dont know a single good assassination player
limber lion
Np
void mesa
Wait, did we get role of shame'd for Sepsis? XD
dull parrot
i dont know a single good assassination player
balmy condor
i dont know a single good assassination player
I don't know a single player
novel star
i mean im assuming role stuff will get figured out in the future
limber lion
Instead of adding 17 new roles, they just edited the existing roles that weren't relevant anymore
Like Sepsis
balmy condor
you guys are all bots designed to keep me trapped in an endless purgatory
I'm in a coma right now
can't wake up
this is my hell
proven current
Whats fastest way to get valorstones?
balmy condor
farm wax
prisma coral
kind of a bummer they changed that pet from wax
novel star
make your window small and watch a podcast or something
proven current
is that the dirt thing?
balmy condor
I saw a screenshots of some guy with like 2500 wax and I almost threw up
novel star
I saw a screenshots of some guy with like 2500 wax and I almost threw up
that's psychotic
i want capped valorstones but im not getting extra
jesus christ
proven current
do you get wax from digging the dirt things?
prisma coral
a ton of it up by the farms in hallowfall
novel star
do you get wax from digging the dirt things?
yea
proven current
word thanks
prisma coral
a bunch in north east dorn too
novel star
i see
severe sparrow
real question did they ever unfuck the weird ui shit that got introduced when they did all the ui stuff
severe sparrow
the scaling on everything is totally fucked on my rogue vs my monk and ive imported every single profile and hand combed through all the addons trying to figure out why theyre fucked
balmy condor
sorry to hear that I guess
I feel baited because blizzard refuses to release things in a state that let me write guides and theorycraft effectively
but such is life
whole sand
they're very inconsiderate
balmy condor
if I had a nickel for every bug and oddly unbalanced and underworked thing
I'd have enough money to hire a dev to fix it
prisma coral
i appreciate how carefully you have been to not feelycraft in your videos though
everyone wants absolute answers
balmy condor
yeah I mean I do too
I open my gear page on wowhead and look at embellishments and I'm like
what the fuck are we doing
this expac has been such a fucking mess
it's actually insane
tall jay
To make matters worse worse we are getting more changes again
balmy condor
yeah I mean it's similar right now with ascension on dagger, but they also said like before the expansion released that they don't want to give a must-play embellishment to a profession
they want them to be competitive
and they nerfed all the embellishments to like dogshit levels
0.5% each or something roughly
prisma coral
weird game of chicken
balmy condor
but then they just leave random embellishments up
that are just clearly giga bis must play
for every spec in the game
and I'm sitting here waiting for them to nerf it
and every blue post just comes and goes
with no changes
so I'm like ???????
do I just
write the guide assuming ER gets fixed? Ascension gets nerfed?
void mesa
They are waiting for guides to recommend something, and then they'll nerf
Just to bait and switch everyone
balmy condor
do I write the guide on the current game state and just end up fucking changing the guide every other day
like none of these options are any fucking good
void mesa
Put 8Ball in the guide as a suggestion for crafts
balmy condor
in my m+ video I made the absolute dumbass mistake of pointing out that the stiletto dagger is 2.6 attack speed and has been since it was added in alpha with the first round of professions
and legit the next day after that video
it got changed to 1.8 speed
stupid whispyr
fleet pagoda
vale quest
i dont know a single good assassination player
I barely know any rogue players
balmy condor
why would I say something
vale quest
not many play it in TWW i feel
prisma coral
there are dozens of us
balmy condor
now I got people asking me if the dagger is good cause they saw me say it's 2.6 in a video
spring prawn
man i cant decide on an alt... rogue is just way different than anything else xD
balmy condor
and now it's not 2.6
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
vale quest
man i cant decide on an alt... rogue is just way different than anything else xD
Shaman
vale quest
enahnce and ele are cool atm
spring prawn
i was thinking mage but sitting there hardcasting stuff feels so odd xD
pale gate
severe sparrow
i cant handle cast times
flat sleet
so with next spark we should craft en dagger(so wahat they say now xD)?
severe sparrow
how do i always enter the hole in dorn facing the wrong way
torn sierra
So, do we not hit Slice and Dice after the anniversary stuff? lol
balmy condor
how do i always enter the hole in dorn facing the wrong way
at least you enter the right hole
balmy condor
So, do we not hit Slice and Dice after the anniversary stuff? lol
correct
torn sierra
Don't mind -1 button lol
thorn fjord
!wa
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
torn sierra
Oh yeah, -2 buttons
prisma coral
bold statement
severe sparrow
muscle mammaries
balmy condor
also tea
don't say this too loud, you'll attract the doomers screaming about tea change
orchid cedar
btw, looks like embelishments are not getting touched?
prisma coral
snd never needed to come back
balmy condor
-# we gotta whisper about the tea change. It's not actually that bad, don't worry. I'm hiding from the raging mob with their pitchforks about how this is apparently the worst thing ever to happen
balmy condor
btw, looks like embelishments are not getting touched?
not yet it seems
orchid cedar
damn nerfs to some tier sets
balmy condor
I'm sorry, what did I miss here? No SND?
newest pin
royal cloak
kk ty
prisma coral
and its a couple months off
cobalt bronze
Can I macro Ambush and Mutilate together or is there a reason to keep them seperate?
vague dagger
Damn blizz really gotta fix deathstalker ER bug, its tilting me
whole sand
Can I macro Ambush and Mutilate together or is there a reason to keep them seper...
you don't need to
i mean as long as you use a stealth bar, i guess
cobalt bronze
Im not :'D
balmy condor
rough
prisma coral
am i crazy or was that not always the case when blindside came in
i was thinking about that earlier
spring prawn
my stealth bar is the exact same as my normal bar with the difference of ambush/mut on same button :D
severe sparrow
wait doesnt blizzard do this for us now
tough basalt
is the ara-kara trinket any good for sin m+?
cobalt bronze
yeah you can I was just wondering if there were cases where youd want to press Muti over Ambush
severe sparrow
ive had too much soju
there were things
where you didnt want ambush before
but i forgot what
balmy condor
yeah you can I was just wondering if there were cases where youd want to press M...
basically always
you want to press ambush to apply deathstalkers mark
and other than that.....
not really a reason to
you can't avoid blindside procs anyway
so nothing to be done there
supple pelican
Question about the nerubian "patch", I can't see to find any information about it as an enchant. Is it an embellishment for crafting? 
onyx mesa
Yea you put it as an embellishment on a crafted item
balmy condor
writhing binding
supple pelican
Great, thanks!
proven current
when I farm wax do I just turn it in to middles?
eager solstice
Pretty sure blizzard wants us to craft dagger s1
balmy condor
my uncle said that it's intended yah
whole sand
did they come to you in a dream
orchid cedar
craft dagger into nerf sounds disgusting
prisma monolithBOT
Stealth can break from:
- Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
- Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
- Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
- Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
- Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
- Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)
whole sand
craft the dagger
old oyster
if everyone crafts their dagger itll get nerfed in heroic week
frozen iris
Suprised we havent received any tuning on our tier. I remember them being pretty crappy
bleak ledge
@balmy condor is there a rough idea of how much value ascendance loses with shorter fights? I know embellishment simming has been wonky
void mesa
What if I convince everyone here to craft dagger... and then I craft a belt.
Surely a good plan
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is there a rough idea of how much value ascendance loses w...
not enough to be bad
real solar
!wa
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magic dust
any ideas on this? im loosing my mind
tawny pawn
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
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balmy condor
any ideas on this? im loosing my mind
you procced the capstone late and had a very heavily skewed heads flip
next parcel
am i tabbing around to maintain rupture for aoe/scent of blood?
balmy condor
yes
void mesa
Yes
next parcel
void mesa
Shit
next parcel
okay ty
balmy condor
also lowkey
magic dust
you procced the capstone late and had a very heavily skewed heads flip
so just bad rng or is there any way i can avoid that?
balmy condor
I think you might've lost your delivered doom
at least a couple times
idk what dummy you were hitting, but it's proximity based
so if there's nearby dummies you probably didn't get delivered doom benefit as much as you should
balmy condor
so just bad rng or is there any way i can avoid that?
the rng was fine, your damage is close to your sim, it just came from heads flips instead of tails flips
novel star
i was under the impression heads was the good flip tbh 
balmy condor
I mean if we're entirely technicl, tails is the better flip
but it's kinda whatever
cause heads isn't a "losing" flip
heads is still really good
spice spire
-# we gotta whisper about the tea change. It's not actually that bad, don't worr...
Too late I’ve seen it ur fucking done kid
novel star
yeah i mean i know both are good i worded it kinda bad but i assumed heads would be the slightly better one
orchid cedar
one question
balmy condor
you either get damage instantly on your meter, or everything else does a bit more damage
novel star
interesting though
golden matrix
Is there much overall difference in playstyle, difficulty, dps between fatebound and deathstalker for m+ content?
novel star
ty 
orchid cedar
if a raid boss has some downtime where you can miss the DS mark
will we go fatebound?
or vanish and reapply it is good enough?
balmy condor
Is there much overall difference in playstyle, difficulty, dps between fatebound...
fatebound is real easy, deathstalker is also real easy but you gotta juggle the mark a bit and it can be finnicky
balmy condor
if a raid boss has some downtime where you can miss the DS mark
idk if that's an issue on any of these
there's an intermission on the second to last
but shouldn't drop mark during it
balmy condor
I mean yeh but it's timed and he does a big cast
you just get the capstone and then apply it to a mob
it's whatever
spice spire
Playing around DN? Miss me w that
deep sorrel
Think the charge + adds is at like 2minutes ish anyway so vanish might be coming up
golden matrix
I've been playing deathstalker and finding it difficult to track things, maybe I'll try fatebound thanks
golden matrix
Is there somewhere I can find info about crafting daggers/bracers and what ascendant means, I have no clue about it but it sounds important
placid adder
Pins
golden matrix
Sweet ty
balmy condor
do any bosses have 30 straight seconds of downtime
no
balmy condor
generally yes
deep sorrel
do any bosses have 30 straight seconds of downtime
Only way it is an issue is if you have like 1 stack left on the mark and then the boss fucks off and starts zooming around
balmy condor
if you kinda fuck it up you can run into a situation on second to last where you're stuck with the mark on the wrong boss for the intermission
but it's avoidable
regal bluff
Is there somewhere I can find info about crafting daggers/bracers and what ascen...
Not worth to craft right now, you can get a better one doing heroics. It’s too expansive
novel star
yeah true
spice spire
if you kinda fuck it up you can run into a situation on second to last where you...
You shrug and say skill issue
novel star
more reason to play fatebound 
jk
spice spire
(That’s going to happen to me multiple times I’m ready to be hurt)
cobalt sphinx
1st boss of mists you're gonna need to play it right
balmy condor
all the issues with the boss/mark are timed boss mechanics
you know when it's happening
regal bluff
if you kinda fuck it up you can run into a situation on second to last where you...
Maybe save Vanish instead of using during first Kingsbane?
regal bluff
At least ur safe to reaply
balmy condor
at that point just play fatebound
novel star
yea if ur greeding vanish and not using it w ur deathmark u prolly lose damage over fb
balmy condor
like if we're going to be playing badly to try and make a marginally better hero talent work
orchid cedar
gonna get a big WA for the debuff and buff lol
novel star
literally 
regal bluff
yea if ur greeding vanish and not using it w ur deathmark u prolly lose damage o...
Really? Holy crap
novel star
fb sims like 2% worse than ds for my character
and the playstyle is more enjoyable
Who Cares
regal bluff
Good to know, thanks
balmy condor
they're close enough to where playing like a cringelord to try and make sim numbers happen just ain't worth it
novel star
^
orchid cedar
i like big Envenoms 🙂
mystic osprey
I just want to poison
deep sorrel
Ngl I think upper quartile of parses will be fatebound over deathstalker, just because it doesn’t have weird gimmicks like mark rn
I get sim is higher, but more I think about this mark the more issues I am seeing lol
regal bluff
i like big Envenoms 🙂
deep sorrel
Ah ok, higher deviation?
balmy condor
will just have better rng
deep sorrel
Ye think I will send prog in fatebound tbh, more fun and I don’t have to think about some stupid mark
Plus that tail flip dmg is no fkn joke honestly
crisp stream
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
strange python
so then is it fatebound or stalker for keys
balmy condor
same as it's always been
similiar damage
but if you're salivating over prio damage
you play deathstalker
novel star
ya
isnt fb technically like better aoe damage
it just loses the prio so worse overall output
balmy condor
ye pretty much
novel star
cool thought so
kinda nice we have 2 options even if both options dont feel the best
some specs hero balance is so shit
strange python
ahh ok prio dmg will definetly have its place in some keys im sure. why does all the sims builds use resounding clairty talent if its bugged?
balmy condor
cause I don't want to have to update the guide 3 times a week
and I'm coping that they fix it
cause it's a big fucking problem
strange python
thats fair LOL
royal lantern
it's just fatebound can high roll
i really wanna see the dmg breakdown of the #1 parse on some fights that rolled tails 30x in a row or shit like that
strange python
the joys of being a rogue
novel star
didnt the visual openers also just assume edge case would be fixed when it was bugged
or no
balmy condor
if I updated the gear page with every embellishment hotfix and trinket fix that's happened since early access release
I would've had to edit it
17 times
novel star
balmy condor
I just can't be fucked with this expac man
strange python
lol war within broke whispyr
royal lantern
the game is
balmy condor
I can't care
runic hinge
i really wanna see the dmg breakdown of the #1 parse on some fights that rolled ...
It’s gonna be me
I’m high rolling this expack. I called it
novel star
fella like me just having a good time playing my favourite spec the assassination rogue
balmy condor
like I just don't have the mental energy to give a shit about embellishments anymore
I'll update the page for heroic week
and then it's whatever
if they nerf the thing I recommend I'll change it
and otherwise who fucking cares
novel star
i was doing other things in 10.2 so im only just now experiencing the rework shit
balmy condor
wasting my time over 0.2% that heroic raiders in the comments complain is too expensive to craft
novel star
I'll update the page for heroic week
this is good enough
strange python
yeah i just wanna send my sparks lol
novel star
anyone who cares is either bad and wont check to see if tuning changed stuff or is actually good and already knows
royal lantern
yeah i just wanna send my sparks lol
then do weapon 
austere sorrel
Heroic raider diss out of left field
strange python
then do weapon <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
i did my embelishemnts without spark
and who knows if sub gonna end up better for raiding im hoping it doesnt
novel star
wasting my time over 0.2% that heroic raiders in the comments complain is too ex...
it would be kinda funny if there was a note on wowhead mentioning how tiny the rank 3 shit is now
for those ppl
not worth tho
royal lantern
it would be kinda funny if there was a note on wowhead mentioning how tiny the r...
mate, you are new to how stupid wow players are
it could be 0,0001%
you would still see endless complaints how its mandatory
balmy condor
Heroic raider diss out of left field
I mean it is the target demographic
royal lantern
like, remember DF launch, when we had 2weapon embelishments
balmy condor
top 100 rogues aren't reading wowhead guides
runic hinge
wasting my time over 0.2% that heroic raiders in the comments complain is too ex...
I don’t complain. I’m too rich for that
royal lantern
the teth dmg proc and the bronze wrapings?
the warppings where fucking expensive for a good time, where like 80dps "better" yet people went crazy for them and how its 200% mandatory lol
keen spruce
balmy condor
and telling you "IT MATTERS!!!!"
that's always the thing that gets me is like every race you have some version of the "why did XYZ rogue do ABC thing, I thought it's worse"
and I'm like, yeah
that is worse
but it doesn't matter
WHAT BUT THEYRE THE BEST MOST BIGGEST
and it's just that shit but embellishments
and then same shit for trinkets
it's just exhausting
hoary isle
aight hit me with it , whats the raid spec whats the m+ spec
royal lantern
that's always the thing that gets me is like every race you have some version of...
mate, i know
just the endless barrage of "why are they using vanish and dance different?????" during amidrasill as the most recent one
and trinkets is funny aswell
because "its what they have avaible" is apperantly not a real answer
they must ALWAYS be some giga deep meaning behind stuff
and not just "yeha, they dropped that one and its good/has high ilvl, so they use it"
silk bane
^ sometimes theres valid reasons to be fair
slate crown
There's this mythology that came out of ye olden days of this game
royal lantern
^ sometimes theres valid reasons to be fair
ofc, but quiet often there isnt at all
silk bane
for example, sometimes in race they do things taht are less damage for the rogue, but more damage for the raid due to aug
but yea
slate crown
that the best of the best players got there from honing in on some intricate incredibly smart workaround and near-exploitive leveraging of game mechanics to be the very ebst because they're the best
that I don't think was ever really true
Players are just players
balmy condor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME
I see myself in that brown bear and I don't like it
heavy on the "are you a girl in real life"
just cause I like cute emotes
fervent fractal
Does any one have a could visual key binds layout that they use?
fickle lotus
just cause I like cute emotes
born to uwu forced to pog
balmy condor
born to uwu forced to pog
I get two kinds of hate comments
either this
or a philosophical debate on the morals and ethics of gaming in 2024
true rapids
rogue dev used vanish and dipped
royal lantern
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1227731609642471534/...
"ass master but not the rogue kind" will forever be a classic
balmy condor
"ass master but not the rogue kind" will forever be a classic
the modern shakespeare
ashen rover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1227731609642471534/...
Wtf lmfao
fickle lotus
why is one in light mode and the other in dark mode 
balmy condor
cause I'm too lazy to find the comments themselves
fickle lotus
ok fair
balmy condor
and I just pulled them from old chats
good ol ricknasty42069yolo got me good with this one too
marble hemlock
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1227731609642471534/...
this is still
balmy condor
bitches hate that I'm cute fr
balmy condor
yeah it's gonna be hard to top
fickle lotus
so what's the over under on the ER charged combo points interaction with DN being intentional and the one combo point that works is actually the bug
balmy condor
I believe in the internet though
balmy condor
so what's the over under on the ER charged combo points interaction with DN bein...
there is no way it's intentional
marble hemlock
to get even worse
balmy condor
when betting on the internet, always aim lower
and then whatever you think is rock bottom
go under that
royal lantern
if in doubt, just check yt comments or twitter
balmy condor
also I have a cut on the inside of my lip cause a pin hit me in the face
and it hurts to drink
and that sucks
so fucking bad
I hate it
fickle lotus
go put baking soda on it
balmy condor
cursed is the flesh that binds me
fickle lotus
like a paste
fickle lotus
it's doomed
balmy condor
liquid contact cement
fickle lotus
is this a safe place? cause i low key love the smell of that stuff
junior aurora
depends on what you mean by safe
regal bluff
Fatebound is cool. You can comeback flying around the map with shadowstep
fickle lotus
my condolences
marble hemlock
also I have a cut on the inside of my lip cause a pin hit me in the face
the fuck
did you 
and got smacked in the face?
fleet pagoda
Fatebound is cool. You can comeback flying around the map with shadowstep
you can just play the dracthyr rogue if you wanna fly around
balmy condor
no I had to like put a belt back on a beltwheel cause it jumped out
fleet pagoda
no need for the shadowstep hindrance
balmy condor
but there was a bunch of pins
regal bluff
you can just play the dracthyr rogue if you wanna fly around <:kekw:610125925413...
That would be actually cool
balmy condor
so I had to get the pins out of the way
and while I was doing that it like
did a mini-avalanche
silk bane
also I have a cut on the inside of my lip cause a pin hit me in the face
i kiss it make it go away?
balmy condor
and they bounced off each other weird
marble hemlock
well
silk bane
balmy condor
and one hit me in the face
marble hemlock
they were plotting their revenge ever since that perfect game
fleet pagoda
That would be actually cool
well have I got news for you! 11.0.5 🫡
balmy condor
true
royal lantern
and they bounced off each other weird
balmy condor
i kiss it make it go away?
I'd kiss you if you were a can of monster energy zero ultra
are you a can of monster energy zero ultra
crisp stream
also I have a cut on the inside of my lip cause a pin hit me in the face
after a face to face combat with the pins, you need to recover. Apply Vaseline jelly on lips. Lube it
true rapids
balmy condor
after a face to face combat with the pins, you need to recover. Apply Vaseline j...
I'm gonna smash my face into a second pin so it's symmetrical
balmy condor
<:boomer:511151922296913923>
silk bane
I'd kiss you if you were a can of monster energy zero ultra
hi heard u were looking for me?
balmy condor
crisp stream
I'm gonna smash my face into a second pin so it's symmetrical
or eat something spicy and let the emotions begin
fickle lotus
man why does assa feel like i'm having to manage 100 diff things with weakauras feels so bad man looks so cluttered 😭
dense lodge
!opener
royal lantern
idk, i have a wa package and thats it?
fickle lotus
Yeah but how much is that package tracking/managing
royal lantern
all the needed stuff?
fickle lotus
Yeah and i'm saying that it feels like we need to track 100 diff things
royal lantern
you have to manage dots
if this chat showed me 1thing in the last couple weeks, its that most people hate the dot part of dot specs
balmy condor
gar/rup/ct
technically-not-a-dot-but-similar you have caustic/envenom
fickle lotus
Caustic, garrote, rupture, crimson tempest, kingsbane, sorta tea, envenom buff, darkest night buff, technically slice and dice to make sure i have it between packs, if I have PI, shiv charges
wise plume
this thistle tea change makes me sad
balmy condor
if you don't wanna track dots and buffs and stuff then you play like warrior and press rampage when it glows
or outlaw
and press between the eyes in stealth
and then whatever glows
or ret
and press whatever glows
like there's a ton of options for specs where you just hit the shiny button and don't manage things
so it's nice that assa exists as something where you get to manage things
fickle lotus
well that's unfortunate because i hate myself and will force myself to play this spec
junior aurora
self inflicted skill issue then ig
royal lantern
well that's unfortunate because i hate myself and will force myself to play this...
ayo
just like me fr
fickle lotus
i just hate weak auras even though they're fun to make
novel star
well that's unfortunate because i hate myself and will force myself to play this...
why
novel star
this thistle tea change makes me sad
yea it sucks but its like whatever
turbo minmax stuff
they should just be reworking or removing thistle tea instead but thats what the ptr is for
experimentation and feedback
surely 🙃
wide dome
I’m excited for Tuesday. I’m really enjoying assassination 😊 anyone else ?
fickle lotus
because it's easier to play during progression
novel star
is it really easier if ur getting overwhelmed by its fundamentals
what does easier mean
fickle lotus
i mean i never said i was getting overwhelmed
just saying that there is a lot of things to keep track of with weakauras
novel star
mm
i mean thats true but thats why you just get a pack idk
i wasnt a wa pack believer until recently but it really is just better than trying to do shit manually lol
whispyr's is really really good
wide dome
just saying that there is a lot of things to keep track of with weakauras
If you just got the weakauras your muscle mind connection isn’t there yet. Wait a week and it’s gonna be second nature to you
fickle lotus
I'm super particular about my weakauras so I just make my own
wide dome
Just kinda how it goes
fickle lotus
In DF i used that one kingsbane timing WA though which banged