assassination

[slate beacon]

im not that smart

[warped moon]

yes, power is affected. some number go down, some go up

[slate beacon]

but thanks, i didnt see xd

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor that intro though emonji worthy

[novel star]

just got back from the future. they make thistle tea a passive that grants 50 energy on shiv cast and remove the mastery buff so we basically just have rogue tigers fury

[normal mist]

I heard the video while working and this was my exact thoughts. Idk how to actually feel about that playstyle tho

[fair coyote]

except for ct that doesnt move ffs

[normal mist]

CT is already really high

[warped moon]

i havent had my coffee

[waxen creek]

just got back from the future playing the new eugor class and you have to cast envenoms to spend on mutilates

[novel star]

Based

[waxen creek]

I should've spelt the spell names backwards too damnit

[tawny pawn]

can we have twisting blades from D4 already

some bladevortex shit

[grim jay]

No thanks

Such a bad skill

[tawny pawn]

nah that would fit sub better anyways

[fair coyote]

flicker strike when

[tawny pawn]

FLICKER STRIKE SOUNDS FUN

but outlaw already have that

KS

[limber lion]

I use a script that applies different values to different debuffs and then it orders the debuffs in order based on the values given

It's called "Aura Reorder" or something similar

[tawny pawn]

well i guess sub will be the better performing class anyways

for raids

so ima pratice that

[novel star]

who knows

[tawny pawn]

you are right

[novel star]

and sub stinkssss they stink they reek even

stinkers

sin 2 win

[crisp pine]

Have fun dude, love you <3

[tawny pawn]

Its so weird cause we gonna be raiding in 4 days

[whole sand]

speak for yourself im already raiding in my mind

[novel star]

it is 4 days huh

time flies when you’re doing nothing

i should be collecting wax rn

tbh

[whole sand]

screw that

[tawny pawn]

valorstones?

[novel star]

yeah

[tawny pawn]

nah screw that

[pliant remnant]

Damn that's crazy dude

[novel star]

wax is giga fast valorstones and really easy

[tawny pawn]

we will be doing delves M0s

and raid

[royal lantern]

except at work

[tawny pawn]

also weekly quests

[pliant remnant]

Tell me more

[novel star]

😭

neets win again

[foggy quarry]

what do you do wehn you wast for the last second of evenom buff? if you are short on energy it meens you cannot refresh garrot and/or rupture? because you will loose your pooling chain?

[arctic socket]

So new changes good or bricks class? @normal mist @balmy condor

[iron carbon]

Already got and configure things like it

[foggy quarry]

when* wait*

[waxen creek]

Isn't Outlaw outperforming? at least according to the spreadsheet they sometimes link in there

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Check the pins and whispyr youtube video

[flint tusk]

[whole sand]

man we didn't even last 10 minutes and you come in here and ping the dudes

[normal mist]

Too slow heheeh

[arctic socket]

Oh shit the pins

[warped moon]

i turned off damage numbers and now nothing bothers me

[arctic socket]

Was updated

[warped moon]

anyone complains, i turn off chat

boom

[flint tusk]

in my canon i am the king

[warped moon]

zen

[flint tusk]

😛

[novel star]

yeah man

[waxen creek]

ADMIN he's doctoring images!!!111!!!

[limber lion]

Yeah there you go

[novel star]

you’re gonna get that dogshit black and white answer u want for ptr changes that are bugged to fuck and wont be live for 2.5 months

keep asking!

[tawny pawn]

only for sims

[novel star]

ping em again even

[normal mist]

Damn it

[limber lion]

Always gonna be Garrote, Rupture, CT in order

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

And Spatter last

[indigo mulch]

Latency buff.

[flint tusk]

head canon is the only true canon where we're all happy

[limber lion]

Everything else blacklisted

[normal mist]

True and based and real

[waxen creek]

where does auto TT fall into this ??!?!?!?!111

[novel star]

I fall on my head . Ouch!

[normal mist]

Nevermind I win

[indigo mulch]

[normal mist]

[novel star]

royal wins for me too yea

[pliant remnant]

[novel star]

based

[iron carbon]

It is but :

[flint tusk]

but i used THE emote

so i win

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-there-you-got-me-point-gif-7591282

[haughty flicker]

so changes are dont drop to 50 energy, maybe more burst, and ugly er icon?

[flint tusk]

Royal i conscript you

[haughty flicker]

dont seem bad

[flint tusk]

to have this macroed

[iron carbon]

You told you were not doing competition today

[tawny pawn]

bro the SIM YO SELF is just mean

[novel star]

it’s useful wym

[tawny pawn]

How is the class feeling? SIM YO SELF

[normal mist]

I changed my mind as fast as I could

[novel star]

everyone askin some bullshit all the time

about stats and bis

[flint tusk]

I can't remember when i first macroed it. think it was around the 10.2 rework and every second line was a question about someones specfic character

[arctic socket]

Got a mini rework before we got er fix

[tawny pawn]

on the blood dk community they cannot give a piece of advice

[grim jay]

?

[tawny pawn]

the entire channel is like SIM

[normal mist]

How am I gonna macro that on mobile

[pliant remnant]

guys i lost all my fingers in the war, what can I macro together?

[grim jay]

Its not even close to enough to call it a mini rework

[novel star]

you didn’t “get” anything these changes aren’t going live for 2+ months. please relax man

[grim jay]

It also didnt really change much

[novel star]

they’re still cooking the bug fixes

ptr isn’t fucking time travel

[flint tusk]

Copy paste unless you're on the droid

[tawny pawn]

that is exactly it

[normal mist]

I am 😦

[flint tusk]

why not? stop slacking

[tawny pawn]

ok but, down the road means, tuesday or later?

[novel star]

Baseddddd

[grim jay]

Depends on which road

[flint tusk]

then it's even better 😛
https://www.wikihow.com/Add-Custom-Text-Shortcuts-to-Android

[grim jay]

Some are long, some are short

[tawny pawn]

the TT and twisting changes i mean

[pliant remnant]

Some are smooth, some are filled with holes

[grim jay]

How did they fuck up the preview tho

Isnt it exactly the other way around

[flint tusk]

haha oh yeh xD

i always like typing the whole thing out for it to get shortened xD

the best bit is they have that exact screenshot but the correct way in the guide

[potent raven]

heard we're gonna drop below 50 energy purposefully during our kb window is that true

[whole sand]

who

who did you hear this from

[potent raven]

i made it up

[whole sand]

are they in the room now

[tawny pawn]

so these changes only come in november

[novel star]

yes

[craggy basin]

Been out of country past few weeks finally getting into the game, any specific renown to focus on or tips and tricks for a fellow yellow bar?

[tawny pawn]

well, we have some time to chill

[limber lion]

Huh?

[novel star]

likely mid-late nov

[grim jay]

Dont

[waxen creek]

Sorry, was a meme from earlier lol

[limber lion]

So you have it sorting from the right and you have not hidden the spatter

[novel moss]

y'know idk why i even tried to make sense of the 11.0.5 notes when I can just come here and Whispyr has already done it for us xD

[neat pier]

Hey tell me how to pump in two sentences. Thanks

[limber lion]

Compared to mine sorting from the left and hiding it

[potent raven]

very clean plater whats the name

[iron carbon]

That's my question, how you "hide" spatter. And sorting by left or right shouldn't do any diff, yes? It just to avoid jitter

[iron carbon]

Based on ramfam's one then I did put modification on it

[potent raven]

cheers

[novel star]

focus on bleed and buff uptime. dont overcap energy or combo points. (better sentence: read the guide)

[limber lion]

By using a different script that makes it invisible

[novel star]

why r u hiding spatter

[iron carbon]

Script that I can't find in your profile 😢

[west cove]

How is everyone feeling about the new patch notes?

[novel star]

fine

[normal mist]

Okay

[limber lion]

Because you color the nameplate instead

[iron carbon]

Cause we want it to just color nameplate

[novel star]

ah true

yeah

true

[limber lion]

Idk what to tell you bro

[arctic socket]

Alright I’m a little slow… with new change to slice n dice we just have it permanently now?

[limber lion]

Yeah just like we did in the past

[normal mist]

"yes"

[limber lion]

For 4 years now

[novel star]

ttk very cool. tt not so cool. snd cool i guess but whatever

[normal mist]

You just don't press it now

[west cove]

Same, quite enjoying the playstyle, though it will get better in higher keys for sure

[arctic socket]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[novel star]

the only change is youll go straight into building 5p envenom in opener and skip the singular snd gcd

[arctic socket]

So we don’t have to waste a gcd for it

Pog

[novel star]

yea

i didn’t really mind getting snd up but it’ll make things smoother so whatever

[arctic socket]

I was thinking that but it’s early and I’m smooth brain atm

[normal mist]

To be fair, in ST, the SBS 1cp was doing all the work

The opener was perfect

[novel star]

ye

now you’ll maybe get 1 mut gcd before env

if it double crits

very impactful change

[normal mist]

Actually it's ER only

Right?

[novel star]

oh cringestalker

probably

[iron carbon]

That I'm dumb or got skill issue I guess

[normal mist]

Yes

It's even better now actually

[iron carbon]

I'm searching since wednesday night

[normal mist]

now

In 2 months

[novel star]

then it crits and ur at 4cp and the animacharged point is 3cp because the er bug is confirmed a feature by that time. have fun!

[normal mist]

If stars align and er gets fixed

It will be perfect

[ashen fox]

Hi guys I am new here! I have a question regarding hero talents, I have played both Fatebound and Deathstalker but for some reason Deathstalker feels significantly weaker and more prone to running out of energy.. does anyone else have the same experience?

[novel star]

fatebound wins forever buddy

we pirates now

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[normal mist]

Sorry but....

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

Those 3 commands answer that whole question

[ashen fox]

@normal mist You're a hero.

[novel star]

energy stuff depends on the context. if it’s in ST that’s just assassination mechanics but aoe skill issue

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-kawaii-cute-gif-10462924222323919853

[novel star]

but yeah

the commands say it all

[whole sand]

royal always stealing moroes's thunder

[iron carbon]

I'll export on wago when I'll finish the update and fixing my psatter issue if you want

[arctic socket]

Are we going to pool energy the same as we have been, or will that swap around a little bit with new thistle tea change?

[normal mist]

Me and him are buddies

[wicked glen]

Guys, haven't played rogue yet, but want to make assa rogue as my alt. What is the current state of rogue in tww ? I don't really really care about performance, gameplay if far more important for me.

will play m+ mostly

[arctic socket]

Like dots?

[waxen creek]

Gotta give us context, have you ever played a rogue ever? or just in TWW

[wicked glen]

No, I usually play warrior/dk sometimes lock

[wicked glen]

not too much

but don't mind to play dot spec

[arctic socket]

If you don’t like dots upkeep don’t play this spec

[waxen creek]

realistic answer is just try all the specs yourself

[wicked glen]

It depen't on how we apply these dot's

if it something like SP shadow crash

I'm ok with it

[iron carbon]

Every 2 mins or when you leave combat

[waxen creek]

Outlaw is faster and no dot management, assas is dot based, sub is not my cup of tea so someone else can answer that

[keen spruce]

Im at the airport and didn’t sleep last night

[iron carbon]

Without these conditions, it's 1 by 1 and with CD or CP

[keen spruce]

My only hope is that no one is flying to Chicago and I get a row to myself

[wicked glen]

💀

[arctic socket]

Yeah if you’re not coming out of stealth you have to tab target rupture in aoe

[neat pier]

Good talk

[arctic socket]

Up to at least 5

[wicked glen]

So gameplay loop is like going into stealth -> apply dots -> stealth -> aplly dots ?

[waxen creek]

well no, not entirely

[normal mist]

Eh

No

[iron carbon]

Uh

[arctic socket]

No not rly but kinda

[iron carbon]

Not really but a bit

[waxen creek]

after you apply your dots, you are building spending on your main dmg ability called Envenom

[whole sand]

after 20 seconds you're going to be manually maintaining 5 ruptures, 1 garrote, and CT

while hitting 1 dude as much as possible

[arctic socket]

Best thing to do is play around the spec at the target dummies to see how it feels

[waxen creek]

Now if we're talking about ST, well then we would have to explain kingsbane and Death Mark, KB is amplified by other stuff you do, DM amplifies your other dots

[arctic socket]

And try out the others specs lol

[warped moon]

and discombobulating

[whole sand]

so there's a quite a bit of tabbing, especially the longer shit lives

[warped moon]

garrote. rupture. discombobulate.

[waxen creek]

if you are coming from Warrior, Outlaw is the best fit probs

[warped moon]

crimson tempest. deathmark. discombobulate.

[arctic socket]

Outlaw is kinda like just press blade fury n pump

[waxen creek]

then you vanish and start absolutely gunning fools down

they give you a glock with a musket skin

[arctic socket]

And then a mini cannon called between the eyes

[glossy lagoon]

What is the trinket you guys running right now?

[arctic socket]

Ara~ara trinket and signet

[normal kindle]

Ara Ara

[glossy lagoon]

Ty

[wide ferry]

thistle tea changes.....why

like wtf lol

[hazy horizon]

too much buttons

[normal mist]

It's STILL a button

[wide ferry]

^^

[rustic zealot]

It seems like a nerf

[wide ferry]

just now i might not have it for Cd's because the game is pressing it for me

[hazy horizon]

yes a button which will automatically press if u low on energy

[novel star]

sin doesn’t even have that many buttons tbh

[wide ferry]

Of all the things we couldve used 😂😂

[hazy horizon]

the game will press it just before an add dies with 45 sec rupture

[wide ferry]

^^^

[haughty flicker]

its a weird change for sure

but if it just boils down to dont go below 50 thats not really that bad

the er icon change is worse

[waxen creek]

As someone whose main alt is Enh shaman thank god for that

[wide ferry]

Changes up the way DS plays now w pooling

[crystal nymph]

so if ER doenst work with DS mark we still will take it ?

[waxen creek]

yes

[wide ferry]

Did they fix the ER bug not working?

[crystal nymph]

not working y

[wide ferry]

😂😂😂😂

this is why we cant have nice things, nah its not that bad but just.......wierd

[tired gull]

Wait what changes?

[arctic socket]

Them fixing the icon to er without fixing the er interaction is such a troll

[normal mist]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[dense cove]

sceanrio - if you're playing vicious venoms and db and need to reapply the mark with a max combo point envenom but land on 6 cp, just send fok for 7th cp?

[arctic socket]

You pres multi not fok

[novel star]

why would you do that

[cedar hare]

Is drachtyr rogue gonna be good?

[winged widget]

Kinda wish we got a choice node between shadowstep and grapping hook, purely because the idea of fatebound using 4 grappling hooks in a row to do a spider-man impression is hella amusing to me

[dense cove]

because it's more energy efficient and doesn't waste combo points

[normal mist]

Who knows

[novel star]

the fan would still overcap if it crits

[limber lion]

Yes

[dense cove]

that was the school of though anyways

[limber lion]

Just like any other race

[novel star]

and energy thing is fair but doesn’t make up for using fan in st prolly lol

[indigo mulch]

Gekko rogue 😮

[dense cove]

makes sense

[cunning basin]

So uh

This is awkward

[novel star]

sub detected

sub detected

[cunning basin]

I might have to change my name now

[novel star]

alert

[cunning basin]

Lmao

[novel star]

you can still be a hater

piss on the grave

[cunning basin]

Your words are wise

I will continue to hate

🙏

[arctic socket]

Is there a lot of copium in sub or happyness ?

[cunning basin]

I dunno I don't actually go there much, I haven't been playing much sub lately

[arctic socket]

I opened the channel and saw someone talking about a cast sequence macro n clicked off

[cunning basin]

I'll probably make one of my alt rogues sub at some point and pay a visit

[pliant remnant]

Nah bro it does less

It also auto-deletes your character

[cunning basin]

Brb respeccing into that

For science

[pliant remnant]

[dire ivy]

It disables ur bnet account too

[novel star]

prolly not

[cunning basin]

Holy fuck where did my toom go and why am I banned

[keen spruce]

F

[pliant remnant]

RIP the homie

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-loftr-gif-19274965

[cunning basin]

This is so sad

[dense cove]

last question, best to always use finisher at 5+ cp unless reapplying mark with 7 cp eh?

[dire ivy]

Are you gonna keep an active sub anyway?

[cunning basin]

I can't cuz I pay it with gold

[whole sand]

all those whispers from blllizzzzard telling you you've committed AH tax evasion were true

[royal lantern]

yes, thats what you do

[cunning basin]

Gotta be able to login to pay with gold

[dense cove]

ty folks! have a great day

[haughty flicker]

at least you'll be unbanned before wrath releases

[faint path]

Thistle Tea now automatically triggers when energy is reduced below 50.
This is shittiest thing I have ever seen

[bitter saddle]

Hey guys I’m new to retail assa. I played assa in wotlk and there we pooled energy before a envenom to fit 2 mutilated into the envenom buff, is that still a thing or just send it

[dire ivy]

Damn that sucks

[cunning basin]

I can't wait to get to level 80

[whole sand]

im going to blow your mind but the spec has in fact changed within 15 years

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

well do i have a surprise for you

you can already get to level 80!

silly billy!

[cunning basin]

But wrath isn't out yet what heck

[novel star]

umm wrath was 2 years ago buddy!

[dire ivy]

Im already lvl 85 😎

[whole sand]

we're in the time loop

[novel star]

thats actually fucked up man

damn

[cunning basin]

What the fuck is going on? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-soldier-wondering-gif-13794012

[slow tulip]

hey, guy, i wanted to ask smt - i noticed when im using Vanish + Garrote macro to sometimes my garrote wasnt empowered and i needed to cast another garrote for it to be empowered
my Q is - what macro are you using to solve this ?

thx in advance

[potent raven]

no macro press vanish then garrote 🤔

[novel star]

vanish garrote macro?

[dire ivy]

You press vanish and then garrote without a macro

[whole sand]

[paper flower]

don’t use macro haha

[slow tulip]

less buttons angle :/

[novel star]

didnt know vanish garrote macro was even possible tbh

[slow tulip]

thx tho ❤️

[dire ivy]

You need a vanish and a garrote button anyway

[novel star]

having vanish available as a button to press and stay stealthed is sometimes quite valuable tho even in pve

so its not really saving a button

[subtle tundra]

god i wish that was me

[cunning basin]

Same tbh

[feral mason]

Tea is still a button you can press after these changes right? just an auto trigger additionally?

[novel star]

yes

[random atlas]

Is there a cap to Mastery for assa rogue?

or can i just stack it infinitely

[feral mason]

just sim

theres points of diminishing return (although you probably dont reach those now) but simming knows that stuff way better than anyone in here would

[remote vector]

Anyone who can help me out in VC? 😄

[feral mason]

depends on the type of help

[fallen arch]

That’s a season 3-4 concern

[remote vector]

Damage, resources, etc.

[oak eagle]

sadge, i love playing sub while farming raids and using vanishes to get more sprints

[outer cairn]

No more pressing SnD?

Great success

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-borat-very-nice-gif-24526604

[remote vector]

Would be greatly apprectiated

[normal mist]

What's the questions?

[warped moon]

hey DUDES just checking in, heard theyre DELETING ROGUE?????

[novel star]

whatever issues youre having are probably covered in the wowhead guide

or icy if u find that site easier to read ig

[haughty flicker]

yeah rogue got deleted unlucky

dark ranger looks sick though

[warped moon]

rip king

[novel star]

already did buddy time to roll feral or ww

[warped moon]

dark ranger does unironically look sick!!

what is the bis race for vibes u think? velf belf or forsaken

[dapper cradle]

“There are many wolves inside of me” - whispyr, 2024

[novel star]

panda.

[dapper cradle]

Lmfao

[warped moon]

oh my lawd

[novel star]

panda is the bis race for vibes always

[haughty flicker]

definitely panda

[pliant remnant]

pandaren

[novel star]

lets fucking go holy shit so many agreeing

🥹

[normal mist]

I go with the crowds and say panda

[warped moon]

ok i have changed my position

u rogues deserve

EVERYTHING

and NOTHING

[novel star]

ive been a panda since the BEGINNING

[warped moon]

😠

[pliant remnant]

[novel star]

of my time playing wow .

[remote vector]

thats the thing.. i'm doing everything as in the guide

[novel star]

what are your issues then

[normal mist]

Then you're playing well

[novel star]

you mentioned energy

[remote vector]

i am not

[tired gull]

🤢

[novel star]

if youre running out of energy in aoe maintain more ruptures for venomous wounds

if youre running out of energy in ST that's just assassination rogue enjoy your stay

[remote vector]

ST is the issue :/

[novel star]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

you are supposed to run out of energy

the spec is based around uptime

[tired gull]

I don’t really understand why people thing we have to press a button every global

[novel star]

envenom might sound and feel like an instant damage spell but really you press it to maintain the buff

the same way you press bleeds to maintain the debuff

dont mash it

[whole sand]

i mean to be fair the rest of the game is hitting buttons every global

we're kinda the odd ones out

[novel star]

kinda true yeah lol

i think feral is also struggling with energy a lil now that predator sucks tho

[remote vector]

that's the part i dont get

[novel star]

yeah

sometimes on sin you just stop pressing buttons

like

[whole sand]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

you build to 5+ cp and just don't do anything

until envenom is in pandemic duration window

then you hit it

like ur bleeds

[spice spire]

Wtf

[novel star]

for 90% of the rotation

[remote vector]

pandemic duration window? xD

[dusty zenith]

Ya envenom has what a 10 second window?

Or was it 11

[novel star]

pandemic is how dots work in wow, the name comes from an old aff lock talent i think. if a dot has less than 30% duration left any of that is added onto the duration of the next application

[normal mist]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[novel star]

didnt know there was a command

[normal mist]

Thanks Moroes

[remote vector]

ahh

[novel star]

but point is: think of envenom like you think of your dots (assuming no rapid injection)

uptime is the priority

[remote vector]

So it's only in the burst window that i use it multiple times?

= Kingsbane up

Weird question, i have 7 combo points, but Rupture says "1 to 6 combo points" what happens to the 7th?

[novel star]

still more damage just not on the tooltip

[limber lion]

Tooltip fucked

[remote vector]

ah i see, ty

so i have to remember 3 pandemic windows for rupture?

[dapper cradle]

Does double evenom stack lead to fatter KBs?

[novel star]

like ptr ttk? yea

[finite yarrow]

Faster not fatter, kb is still caped

[tired gull]

Still fatter because it caps faster

[novel star]

stacking faster still means its ticking with full buff for longer

so same thing

[remote vector]

I'm so overwhelmed rn xd

[novel star]

nah not really

pandemic doesnt give you more dots

[dapper cradle]

Pog as fuck

[novel star]

it just stops you from losing them

[limber lion]

No

You should have a weakaura pack

And that pack will light up when Rupture is in pandemic

So under 7.2s

You don't have to think about anything

If you see Rupture light up, you know it's safe to reapply

[grim robin]

hey guys quick question, is the ER with Deathstalker talents bugged or it is supposed to not work together

[rigid sierra]

bugged

[limber lion]

Yes bugged

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[novel star]

if u dont wanna look at weakauras and shit (you really dont need to when ur starting out) just hit ur bleeds when they have <6 seconds left and youre gonna be fine lol

[feral mason]

still bugged on ptr?

[novel star]

it doesnt matter if you refresh exactly at 29% or at like 5%

[feral mason]

has anyone checked

[novel star]

all pandemic did was stop you from losing anything

getting everything in ur head is a waste of time as once ur at that point of optimization ur gonna be using weakauras anyway. it no matta when ur new

[normal mist]

I'm pretty sure it is or anyone would have already told otherwise

[feral mason]

yeah prob

[normal mist]

But yes I'm still dreaming

[feral mason]

the current ptr is bugged to shit though so idk

ill see

[normal mist]

For the fix

[feral mason]

cant even seem to open a spellbook rn

[novel star]

the ptr and the live bugfixes arent related in any way

they didnt time travel to 2 months in the future where all the bugs on live are magically fixed

theyre still working in the real timeline on fixing em

lol

[feral mason]

there are outlaw bug fixes on ptr that arent on live so

could always happen

dont have to be so demeaning

[novel star]

fair my bad

[feral mason]

allg

[normal lotus]

Have they fixed BTE firing pistol shot sometimes yet?

[feral mason]

not sure what it was but it was stealth bugs relating to subt that got fixed

gotta ask in there for specifics

[remote vector]

thanks, i will create one that does that for me!

[whole sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rigid sierra]

Do we try to play around Sanguine Blades in AOE and stay above 50% energy?

[whole sand]

if you maintain bleeds it plays itself

[cunning basin]

^

[rigid sierra]

fair

[cunning basin]

Good aoe rotation causes infinite energy

[royal lantern]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[royal lantern]

and in aoe it happens by itself

cus like, its aoe, you have endless energy there

[zinc kernel]

Hey guys, any speculations on our spark crafts ?

[cunning basin]

Probs bracer belt with crit thread

Low stat budget items so the ilevel doesn't hurt

[royal lantern]

if they do literally 0 changes, ascenion+patch

crith thread is a safe option overall

and dont use sparks yet

cus we dont know if they make embelishments actually do SOMETHING in the next 1-2 weeks

[vagrant moss]

In the start wouldn’t we want high budgeted items? For example when we’re unable to get 636 elsewhere wouldn’t it be smart to make high budget items off the bat

And then recraft once mythic ilvl is more available

[vagrant lagoon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice surge]

It doesnt save you crests

[keen spruce]

The answer is normally “you’ll know in a week or two”

[spice spire]

Retired and he already knows

[keen spruce]

I quake

[spice spire]

Miss u shmeeps

[keen spruce]

I’m dying

[spice spire]

Hello friend

Why wtf

[keen spruce]

Flying with southwest is the worst

[spice spire]

Oh

Enjoy the Commodore 64

[keen spruce]

I got here at 4am

Then have to play “is there an aisle seat left” as I’m in boarding group C

[spice spire]

Oh

You’re not piloting

Oh yeah southwest super sucks

[keen spruce]

Bruther I’ve been flying for like 6 months

If the airlines are hiring me rn it’s jover

Take the train

[slate crown]

aye aye quacktain 🫡

[spice spire]

Idk the pathway for pilots man

[keen spruce]

It long

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

I can’t even fly through a cloud yet

Legally

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-gif-2126390133540911401

[keen spruce]

I mean I could probably keep it airborne

But I’m not rated for high power, multi engine, landing gear, commercial, or instrument.

[wide ferry]

Anyone else do double crit embelishments like a schmuck aka me?

looks like it only counts once

at least on the active buffs

[visual prairie]

just go get your health below the threshold so it drops

and it will come bck double

[keen spruce]

Gonna lose internet bye bye

[tired gull]

Good luck finding it

[storm forum]

Bye bye shmeeps

[tawny pawn]

ok i came here to make an actual positive comment

the SnD change is cool

and the 2 envenom might actually be poggers

dont know its going to be just auto play poggers or we might need to track stuff but hey

at least its interesting

[slow helm]

no manual SnD is peak

[oblique jackal]

I’m here for the SnD

That’s a game changer

[limber creek]

At least the SnD change indicates they might kinda sorta be listening some

[tawny pawn]

i wonder if the envenom change isnt like a good increase for us.

[viscid aurora]

Just fix reprimand, make an option for tea to trigger automatically and im good

[twin bay]

guys is it fair to assume that tempered potion will be the way to go? i have not alot left to do so i think im gonna farm some stuff

[placid wave]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proper tapir]

Yes

[dusty zenith]

where can you see envenom duration when you apply it

Do I need a WA to track it?

[tired gull]

It’s a self buff

And yeah you can use a wa to track

[novel storm]

Is there a way to make caustic debuff on enemy shown as ticking horizontal bar above enemies nameplate? Guess some script in plater?

[dusty zenith]

I see it now. So its only 6 secon buff you need to keep up

[toxic night]

hey vanish doesnt remove slow anymore is that intended or a bug ?

also cant drop combat anymore when rupture is up i think

[severe sparrow]

i feel like my vanish has been working fine

[placid adder]

Yeah farming bees and what not I’ve had no issue with the slow or dropping combat

[minor light]

I have had many issues where vanish does not drop combat

[toxic night]

in pvp slow automatically reapplies after u vanish

used to drop it completely so a bit confused about that ( no patch notes or anything )

[placid adder]

Oh pvp

[dusty zenith]

Paging Dr.Beat Emergency

[next quarry]

How long is live typically behind ptr guys?

[severe sparrow]

every time i think i wanna try pvp i realize i dont have the brain space for knowing everything about every class

[marble hemlock]

Until the patch is released

[marble hemlock]

This PTR is for the Anniversary Patch, which is gonna come out somewhere around early to mid november

[next quarry]

Oh so these changes aren’t right around the corner then

[marble hemlock]

No

[nova aspen]

so after season 1 settles basically

[marble hemlock]

Yes

[nova aspen]

[subtle tundra]

as .5 patches usually are

[marble hemlock]

MDI Time Trials are in October, with the finals on Nov 22-24, so it might drop either immediately after, or right before with tournametn realm being on old patch? Not sure how they'll manage that.

[heavy sentinel]

What embellishment is busted

[marble hemlock]

but seeing how the official release for wow was on Nov23, the 20th anniversary patch is gonna be around that time

[spice surge]

None of them

[marble hemlock]

[weak anvil]

Is assa still looking as to go raiding spec?

[heavy sentinel]

Did it get nerfed

[weak anvil]

I just saw some sim charts and wanted to double check

[spice surge]

No

[warped lily]

Guys, are these changes good bad or meh to Rogue? , im kinda noob tbh

[spice surge]

The ascension embellishment is still better than the others, because its worth 0.6% instead of 0.4% or 0.5%

Very huge

[marble hemlock]

[formal pasture]

Does anyone got a plater profile that can be used for a retired wow veteran with bad eyes

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[formal pasture]

All i see is these minimalistic uneven sized debuffed platers

[spice surge]

You can scale up the debuff sizes if you'd like

[placid adder]

I would ignore sims

[subtle tundra]

well assa is simming a bit low

[marble hemlock]

usually does

[placid adder]

Outlaw sim so high obv the best

[weak anvil]

I mean am rerolling rogue

Mostly praticed assa

[tall cradle]

is our APL finished on raidbots?

[weak anvil]

98% of time spent in jt

2% sub

[nova aspen]

assa or sub will be fine in raid

pick 1

[weak anvil]

Soo idk if i need to get a speed course of outlaw/sub for raid

[marble hemlock]

outlaw wont ever be viable in raids until blizzard drastically changes their encounter design to make classes viable that just do sustained DPS

[weak anvil]

Was gonna pratice sub these days just in case to have 2/3 rdy for raid

[subtle tundra]

im gonna bet on assa getting buffed if its bad in HC week

[weak anvil]

I mean enha fits that role

Atleast df enha

[marble hemlock]

and it was brought for windfury

[weak anvil]

Now was it it only for buff idk

But i was blasting on it

[marble hemlock]

because a class that does decent sustained DMG but also adds 5-10% DPS to 4 other melee dps, is kinda busted

[weak anvil]

Not demo type of blast but atill

[marble hemlock]

and Enha still very much had burst windows

[nova aspen]

outlaw prob fine in heroic, but no burst = prob never seen in mythic

sin or sub is ur best bet

[marble hemlock]

the problem with encounter design, is that the strategies to beat those encounters generally develops into "whose CDs do we assign to each individual DPS-check that we have in fights". that can be smth like an absorb shield that has to be broken, a wave of adds that needs to be killed within X amount of time or some other temporary danger that needs to be taken care off.

outlaw cant do any of that.

[wraith oar]

Is SnD finally
Gone?

[marble hemlock]

it sits on the boss and does high damage to it, but it is not a tool to solve problems in any encounter, and that lowers its raid viability tremendously, especially when its on the same class as 2 other burst-heavy specs.

[nova aspen]

yes and no

[placid adder]

In November yes

[tough canyon]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[strange python]

@sharp falcon any info on if devs even know about constant stealth break bugs?

[placid adder]

Why tag him💀

[strange python]

To ask him a question?

[subtle tundra]

yikes

[marble hemlock]

Imagine if everybody did that who had a question

[placid adder]

Joined 5 days ago

[strange python]

Imagine if every class that had bugs that have persisted for years never got acknowledgement right?

[tough canyon]

@marble hemlock but why 😂

[strange python]

And imagine they were fixed for months, and then came back.

[marble hemlock]

Every class does.

[subtle tundra]

but almost every class does

[strange python]

Imagine a world where bugs were acknowledged

[subtle tundra]

during beta you could go into any class discord and ask for bug list

probably can still do

[marble hemlock]

What does acknowledging bugs do?

[strange python]

Let's the players know that devs are aware of them.

[normal mist]

Bro we don't tag developers here

[strange python]

I do

[marble hemlock]

And what does that do?

[subtle tundra]

theres literally speadsheets for every class

with the bugs

accessible by everyone

[strange python]

Who manages the spreadsheets?

Players or devs?

[subtle tundra]

the TCs

[strange python]

oh ok

[subtle tundra]

usually

[marble hemlock]

What does it matter? Blizzard is aware of the bugtrackers and spreadsheets.

[strange python]

So the question is - are the devs aware it's a game-breaking issue.

[subtle tundra]

buddy do you really think the devs ignore these

[strange python]

can you guys answer that or no?

[subtle tundra]

yes dude they fucking know almost every bug unless its a very new one

[weak anvil]

if you consider 2 ele blasts a burst window sure

[marble hemlock]

What does it matter whether they are aware or not? Awareness doesnt equate them fixing things, because that's fundamentally not how the process works.

[strange python]

ok fucking thanks

[whole sand]

calm down lil bro

[subtle tundra]

what, everyone is calm

[marble hemlock]

Fwiw, randomly pinging devs for questions like that is not appreciated.

[strange python]

It matters to me.

[marble hemlock]

Especially not as the first resort.

[strange python]

That's all - he can ignore it or he cannot

[severe sparrow]

is realz even our guy anymore? i feel like i heard rumors

[strange python]

Getting all worked up about it is weird

[severe sparrow]

probably baseless

[shrewd night]

Now, since you now know you shouldnt tag devs for everyday questions, lets not do that again, yes?

[strange python]

He still posts in outlaw so

[subtle tundra]

catch him online when he is discussing and ask him then

[strange python]

yeah sure boss man

[marble hemlock]

And that's valid, but that still means small issues like this are of very little concern compared to much more egregious bugs, for example.

[strange python]

lol or i could just tag him rq - and he can ignore it if he wants

It's not even a big deal

[whole sand]

stop

[subtle tundra]

thats a really ignorant way of thinking

[strange python]

I asked, that's it

[whole sand]

put the shovel down

its ok

[placid adder]

Sendem to the gulag

[nova aspen]

lmao

[severe sparrow]

as someone who has a knowledge based tag on another server i promise you it's really annoying to get pinged constantly for questions

[hazy horizon]

IS the crafted dagger 1.8 now ?

[strange python]

yeah? it's also really annoying for stealth to continually break for no reason.

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I'd love to have 500 pings a day because everybody who felt like it just pinged me about questions. Would definitely not make me reconsider putting myself out in the open like that.

[severe sparrow]

bruh

[whole sand]

oh my god

[rocky rover]

Can we please get blizzard to NOT do this: Thistle Tea now automatically triggers when energy is reduced below 50.

[subtle tundra]

then report it on the forum

[marble hemlock]

i think the consensus atm is that we would all really like blizzard to not do this, yeah

[strange python]

I have.

I have also reported it in game

[subtle tundra]

ok, then youve done your job

[strange python]

No acknowledgement

[subtle tundra]

ofc not

[whole sand]

they're not gonna reach out to you my dude

[subtle tundra]

they wont respond to every individual

[strange python]

I just asked a question guys, - the mods told me to stop doing it

chill

[marble hemlock]

Lack of acknowledgment does not mean they're not aware of it.

[subtle tundra]

youre a literal random

[severe sparrow]

they got better shit to do than acknowledge every bug report

[strange python]

I understand that - just chill wtf?

[shrewd night]

As much as I hated the ping

I kinda agree

[weak anvil]

Also why isn't assa higher on PI sims that are out

honest question

[strange python]

I asked a simple question and got told not to do it

[shrewd night]

Why the fuck are yall harping on this five minutes later

[whole sand]

you're trying to defend the fact you were a bit of a jerk and thought everyone would be like 'yeah, ping that dude, fuck him'

[weak anvil]

Isnt PI huge for KB?

[shrewd night]

He might not understand why, but he wont do it again

[marble hemlock]

It's definitely frustrating to not hear back about issues that have persisted for a long time though, so I get where you're coming from

[shrewd night]

Lets move on

[strange python]

I asked a question dude chill

[subtle tundra]

(cause he seems very entitled and thats annoying me)

[shrewd night]

Go yell at some clouds or something

[gusty mirage]

It used to be, the cap stack kinda made it less nutso

[subtle tundra]

i kinda am by doing this

[gusty mirage]

It’s still very good tho

[weak anvil]

I know it used to be

[minor light]

You did more than ask a question. You ping'd someone and then shrugged off the suggestions to not do it like it was none of their business.

[weak anvil]

I rerolled rogue once rework was done

[balmy prism]

I'm just happy the changes are in november when I've finished my pushiing for the season and stopped playing again

[weak anvil]

And i can feel the diff in KB with it and not

[severe sparrow]

i wish any of the priests who exist around me knew when to give me pi instead of just randomly giving it to me

[weak anvil]

expected it to be higher than enha tbh

ahahah

[strange python]

ok - i asked a simple question. the forums say the guy talks here so i came here.

[severe sparrow]

feelsbad getting it outside of dm/kb

[gusty mirage]

Oh ye, you’d def hit cap stack faster plus all the other bleeds and dots and shit

[astral obsidian]

We dooming over the tea changes? I really hate this one.

[weak anvil]

i dont go into details that much

[minor light]

Its not the question. Its the attitude.

[tall cradle]

those changes are not set in stone tho, we'll still have beta to test them out so just be loud about it

[weak anvil]

But it does easily go to 1000% often?

[balmy prism]

Any change that limits your own agency over cooldowns is bad imo, BUT like whispyr said, it's great for the delve players

[strange python]

lol ok then just go on about your business and leave it then

[minor light]

Its only getting carried on because you cant stop

[gusty mirage]

Ye you for sure nail max stacks with PI guaranteed

[strange python]

I'm chillin

[marble hemlock]

Actually, it's carrying on because you keep talking about it.

Even after Shiennar asked everybody to stop.

[shrewd night]

Pot calling the kettle black

[normal mist]

Anyway

[marble hemlock]

I miss Flower.

[shrewd night]

Weird way to spell Flowi

[arctic socket]

[marble hemlock]

[normal mist]

Koffing I heard (the voices in my head) you're playing assa this season

[arctic socket]

That’s a weird way to spell sub

[steady geyser]

Do effects like rupture and garrote stack? Like can i have 2 garrotes at a time? new player btw

[marble hemlock]

He's feral for life

[shrewd night]

N

[marble hemlock]

They do not

If you recast any of them, theyll replace the current one

[normal mist]

The voices in my head were super super sure

[shrewd night]

I have levelled many chars, rogue isnt one of them

[steady geyser]

ah okay thank you

[arctic socket]

If koffing doesn’t play outlaw

It’s gonna be Sadge

[steady geyser]

does the same go for all DoT?

[shrewd night]

I havent played outlaw seriously since legion wdym

Wait

BFA actually

[arctic socket]

Do you take the outlaw channel serious?

[shrewd night]

I take the Combat channel seriously

[arctic socket]

I miss og combat

Golden days

[marble hemlock]

Yes

[steady geyser]

ty fam

[marble hemlock]

Generally speaking, all dots, hots, debuffs, what have you, are unique per player

There's some exceptions to that

But the general rule is that they're unique per player, and recasting it simply reapplies the debuff or buff

[steady geyser]

ah so if theres 2 assassins they canboth put garrote?

[marble hemlock]

Yep

They each apply their own version of Garrote and stuff

And you can only benefit from your own as well ofc

[arctic socket]

I clicked on your profile because i like the avatar @steady geyser 54 twinkies at once?

Sheesh

[vocal minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=225242/refurbished-tinker-plane-displacer can you use this to restealth in combat?

[shrewd night]

The profile has the word feral in it, we love those.

[marble hemlock]

I doubt it

It might work on trash

But I doubt that too

[vocal minnow]

big sad

[marble hemlock]

It reads like it's an invisibility potion, so I don't know if you could even use it in combat

There's a classic trinket that lets you actually invis in combat, it works like vanish

[arctic socket]

Feral animal sheeesh

[marble hemlock]

most of the tinker modules are just replacements for using potions

They really did Engineering dirty 3 expansions in a row now

[weak anvil]

dont mention engi pls

[vocal minnow]

yea i wanted something to justify skilling engi :(

[cedar elm]

wtf is this thistle tea change

what dogshit

[weak anvil]

needing 119/120 possible points

to make guns 100%

[shrewd night]

Mount. Youre welcome.

[weak anvil]

nitro

[glossy grove]

did you guys already used the spark=

[marble hemlock]

Unfortunately, the good reasons to spec Engi, are in recipes from wrath, cata etc.

[normal mist]

Not me

[marble hemlock]

Jeeves/Mailbox from Wrath, Gliders from MoP, Knockback belt from BfA.

[arctic socket]

I crafted a spark weapon

[glossy grove]

prob better than wrist with this crit buff right?

[crystal nymph]

2xcrit embelish does not working rn?

[nova wolf]

loot-a-rang from cata

[marble hemlock]

Eh, you never use it

Technically nice, but not on a melee

The Wormholes are neat too

[left mica]

In case Thistle Tea changes stay, should we play around dumping below 50 Energy before CDs to get the Mastery benefit during CDs window?

[normal mist]

No

[marble hemlock]

No, absolutely not

You'd avoid ever getting sub 50 Energy like the plague

[round nexus]

If that becomes the case, the rework failed hard

[zenith prairie]

Yeah it’s a bad rework

[vocal minnow]

i mean you can still normally press it cant you

[zenith prairie]

It doesn’t decrease button bloat it just makes you more conscious of energy

Which was the goal

[left mica]

So we just lost Mastery during our CD window I guess? Less Burst and more sustained dmge passively?

[haughty flicker]

you can still press tea normally

[gentle rover]

I feel like it lowers the floor for total noobs but you should be able to disable it. So you can optimize

[haughty flicker]

it just also triggers at 50 energy

[marble hemlock]

I really do not think that was the goal.

[normal mist]

Yes but if you unfortunately go under 50 energy, you shug a charge

[round nexus]

Just remove the mastery and give something else

[zenith prairie]

You can still press it. You just have to stay above 50 forever

[somber sparrow]

can someone send a link to "ascension" for dagger

[left mica]

Ooooh kk then

Annoying af then

[weak anvil]

1 more question

[marble hemlock]

The rest of the changes are clearly aimed at reducing button bloat (lol), but this has actual detrimental effects on the actual gameplay without understanding how we use Thistle Tea, its just a bad change.

[weak anvil]

Nvm you dont use CB in st

[zenith prairie]

I took the change as they wanted to make it more friendly to bad people and let them not HAVE to have it. Otherwise what’s it for? To punish going low

Which is a bad mechanic

[normal mist]

You do with Fatebound

[left mica]

So instead of intentionally using our Tea, now we have to track our Energy even more to avoid using Tea by error...

[nocturne quail]

people who dont like having a lot of buttons should play a different game tbh

[zenith prairie]

Yeah in essence

[left mica]

Weird rework

[tawny pawn]

Bro Fatebound CB is just right

[weak anvil]

but deathstalker play for raiding?

[cosmic gyro]

is the difference between runing cb and er impactful for fatebound?

[tawny pawn]

after letting it cook in my mind for a while guys is not that weird actually

just TT, but its kinda whatever

like whip was saying

whisp*

[marble hemlock]

Am I the only one thinking that WoW doesn't even have a lot of buttons?

[rare jackal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
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[weak anvil]

Rotationaly not rlly

[marble hemlock]

Certainly not compared to many of the older expansions

[weak anvil]

Utility wise

I mean comparing to pre legion era

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

I remember running out of buttons on Warlock in TBC

[weak anvil]

Its less

[marble hemlock]

cause 60 wasnt enough

[haughty flicker]

compared to old expansions no it doesnt have many buttons, but compared to most other popular mmos it definitely does

[normal mist]

Yes you just play CB

[tawny pawn]

why can i have have access to all ranks of my skills, sigh disgusted

i want 70 binds and 6 ranks

[normal mist]

Technically yes, but:

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[weak anvil]

whats the singular focus point then

funel?

[cosmic gyro]

yep

[weak anvil]

for the 5% dam is it worth legit multi doting

or you just value it out of vanish spreads?

[zenith prairie]

Rogue really doesn’t have a ton of buttons. Enh shaman needed to lose a few though

[glossy lagoon]

how good is assasin in raid?

[cosmic gyro]

i don't know if I'm tripping but isn't it possible with double jeopardy to jump from a 6 to a 8 streak and skip the fateful ending buff?

[tired gull]

Raid isn't out yet

[cosmic gyro]

seemed like so using an wago weakaura

[glossy lagoon]

i mean st

[proper tapir]

It's good, if you like it then play it

[tired gull]

It'll be decent, probably not great, but not bad either

[glossy lagoon]

ty guys!

[tawny pawn]

isnt the envenom change like a dps increase literaly?

having 2 envenom bufs

[normal mist]

Yep

We can have BIGGER AND BETTER burst phases

But then we play around not overcapping energy

Check whispyrs latest YouTube video

[novel star]

you probably aren’t gonna play around it outside of kb/shiv windows was the summary iirc

[normal mist]

He did solo brainstorm really good insight

[novel star]

but it will be nice when it’s nice

[tired gull]

what will we drop to pick up ttk

[tawny pawn]

So its harder but a buff

Ppl want Bfa sin

garrote rup vendeta

wont happen boys

[waxen thunder]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[raven egret]

I know the forums are not everyone's cup of tea, but it is one of our only way to try and communicate with blizz about the state of rogue. I did make a thread in the relevant PTR section for rogue feedback, if anyone has anything to say on the class, I'd encourage you to drop a word there, or make your own subject if you prefer doesn't matter, so long we keep the conversation going

Primarily, massively ask to clear up ER + Deathstalker usage would be a W 😛

[somber sparrow]

i can't even find the ascension embellishment

[spice surge]

Its for weapons only

[hazy horizon]

Dont tell them anything they will just nerf rogue if they hear about it

[storm stone]

So did i kinda troll already by crafting wrists

[iron carbon]

Hmmm was wondering : with DN buff, better apply deathstalker marks then rupture or rupture then marks?

[woven shore]

Lol

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[normal mist]

I wouldn't say troll

I'll probably end up crafting boots and belt

[storm stone]

I have also been unlcky with daggers

so could have crafted that maybe

[normal mist]

We'll have 2 full sparks when raid releases

[spice surge]

Youll have another spark next week anyway

[woven shore]

I want that dagger with dmg effect from raid

100k ? 200k? Idc

[normal mist]

Dang I do

[spice surge]

To a random target pog

[nova aspen]

guys it doesn't really seem to be obvious anywhere on sites, is the m0 world tour grind next week based on current dungeons or will it be season 1 dungeons?

[spice surge]

S1

[normal mist]

S1

[nova aspen]

aw shit

[woven shore]

I really cant wait to Slaughter that bitch in the palace to revenge her mother

[nova aspen]

grim batol ques daily

[acoustic roost]

Grim Batol prison time

[nova aspen]

so if your guild raids tuesday night, is the optimal gear farm probably t8 delve spam?

before raid

and/or m0's

[woven shore]

Brota

[somber sparrow]

right, I was having trouble just finding it to look at it. when searching "Ascension" on wowhead it was not coming up, but Darkmoon Sigil was the key to finding it

[woven shore]

Worldboss
Delves

[heavy mountain]

Hi
Do you use any weakaura/plater mod to track your dots? I'm new to the spec and find it difficult to find a target to caustic explosion

[woven shore]

And MAYBE Spark craft

[normal mist]

I've been stuck in Grim batol for years (server name)

[woven shore]

Weakaura

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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