in m+ u can easily do that tho right @normal mist
#assassination
spare viper
marble hemlock
the cut to the chase change is probably
the most hilarious thing that has happened to rogue in a while
novel star
people have wanted it forever
pliant terrace
the most hilarious thing that has happened to rogue in a while
can quite literally take SnD off your bars now
orchid cedar
now fix bugs pls D:
quaint spindle
Closest thing to just removing it
cerulean nest
fuck dust and I'll say that with my chest
fading mantle
guys .. i see a lot of people from the current top ilvls using sparks for dagger. is it bis and BEST to do .. or wait till season starts for doing something else ?
gilded oasis
im gonna miss my snd button
warped moon
i am deprioritizing it for sure
novel star
guys .. i see a lot of people from the current top ilvls using sparks for dagger...
bis this early doesnt matter
warped moon
are there use cases for keeping it? snd before pull or sth?
novel star
you can use your shit if youre rich as hell but you will be replacing it in a week no matter what you craft
so be aware that it is literally a waste of gold so you can have bis gear for 1 week in content that doesnt matter
normal mist
guys .. i see a lot of people from the current top ilvls using sparks for dagger...
read pins
rain oyster
november we rogues n mm hunters boys
fading mantle
so be aware that it is literally a waste of gold so you can have bis gear for 1 ...
thanks !
novel star
there's a chance it wont even be bis by the time raid comes out because theyre still tuning stuff
fathom cove
Ascension on dagger + Patch is technically bis right now
what is "patch"?
balmy condor
FUTURE PTR UPDATES
Video
Again, these are not live changes, these are 11.0.5 changes coming in a future patch down the road
Thrill Seeking
- This presumably replaces the shadowstep talent on the class tree, so no change for us, still 2 charges of shadowstep
Thistle Tea
- Auto procs under 50 energy. Lowkey kinda makes our gameplay more difficult because we will most likely want to avoid proccing this, but for ye average casual carl this is pretty goated for removing a button
Cut to the chase
- Slice and Dice removed I guess
Soothing/Echoing/Flag
- Whatever
Fatebound
- Tooltip changes for the most part (edge case stuff already is live
- delivered doom change makes it scale better into AoE but nothing insane here
Twist the Knife
- My brain hurts man what
- First impression is probably not too impactful.... In theory can be really good for burst and more amp poison during deathmark, faster kingsbane ramping. But then you have to also recognize that kingsbane is still capped and while envenom uptime is like 96%, this doesn't actually give us more envenom uptime, it just shifts it into shiv windows.
- So it's a dps gain in the regard of giving dps instead of dpm, slowing us down outside of burst.
- Can be good in mythic+ maybe, especially with dashing giving energy back, but there's anti-synergy with thrown precision there.
- This is in addition to the +2 second envenom duration, so we'll see how that shakes out, but sounds good on first glance for burst
normal mist
Maybe they are top ilvl players because they HAVE the dagger
fading mantle
there's a chance it wont even be bis by the time raid comes out because theyre s...
yehh i guess i'll just keep it then !
flint tusk
severe sparrow
i keep meaning to ask whispyr a dumb question about plater and then thinking i should just go do a dungeon instead and answer my own question but im eating chicken so that's too hard
flint tusk
i did .. but seeing top ilvl players crafting it made me wonder.
Stop caring about top ilvl people when the season hasn’t even started 🙃
warped moon
i wish i was eating chicken.....
balmy condor
and the changes got datamined time to already edit the pin
covert snow
if my guild pushes mythic raiding, if i dont drop the mythic dagger on 2nd boss, should i craft dagger to 636 ? (assuming i farmed crests on m+) or just keep a fully maxed heroic dagger ?
mild silo
horde or alliance?
terse island
But but but... What will I put where slice and dice was 💀
fathom cove
> Ascension on dagger + Patch is technically bis right now
what is "patch"?
someone, pls?
balmy condor
think its called writhing binding or some shit
sudden brook
Are the sin changes eating?
balmy condor
99% kinda whatever
flint tusk
But but but... What will I put where slice and dice was 💀
A /cackle macro
sudden brook
They all seem like just imrovements no?
orchid cedar
no ST bufs sad
quaint spindle
So thistle is still an active now just with a passive to auto proc am I reading these data mind changes right
sudden brook
No more snd 
balmy condor
don't have to slice and dice on pull, fatebound numerical buff, twist the knife rework that is kinda hard to tell what the hell it's gonna do but is probably good
and then like
bunch of whatever
marble hemlock
can quite literally take SnD off your bars now
i was trying to find the original post from shadowlands
when they announced SnD returning
orchid cedar
where's ER bug fix 
hot chasm
-2 buttons
marble hemlock
they thanossnap it out of the game again
flint tusk
Ahh yo that motorbike mount though
hot chasm
great success
orchid cedar
is not removed
quaint spindle
It is not removed
warped moon
🍵
balmy condor
the tea change is kinda whatever
noble pagoda
yeha but it will passively trigger
balmy condor
you just force yourself to be above 50
noble pagoda
I jsut want it to stay how it is
covert sedge
Fix ER/deathstalker interactions 
Change ER icon 
rain oyster
is there charges or auto on 50 energy?
noble pagoda
stop forcing me to drink tea :(
warped moon
50 is the new 0 or something ._.
pliant terrace
they thanossnap it out of the game again
I just don't get the point of even having it for sin when it was already an almost-non existent button in the rotation to begin with, now you don't need to press it at all
plain ridge
is deathstalker broken? more than normal atm
manic warren
didnt they just screw up our kingsbane window t.t?
warped moon
it is kinda crazy to call snd an iconic rogue ability cause its kinda always been a chore
flint tusk
stop forcing me to drink tea :(
You will drink it. And you WILL enjoy it
elder bolt
it is kinda crazy to call snd an iconic rogue ability cause its kinda always bee...
but an iconic chore
warped moon
pliant terrace
it is kinda crazy to call snd an iconic rogue ability cause its kinda always bee...
every rotation with a buff you need to maintain is a chore imo
green pier
does someone that knows how to maths at 3am know whether the datamined crimson tempest changes are a buff or a nerf? 😛
covert snow
if my guild pushes mythic raiding, if i dont drop the mythic dagger on 2nd boss,...
^ 🙏
tough marsh
trying to find a good pre bis list any one have one? should i follow this? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-gear-best-in-slot
or just sim myself
violet jackal
hold up is thistle tea a passive now
novel star
pre bis doesnt really matter but if you really care that much then sim yourself yes
warped moon
deezstalker 📈
pliant terrace
hold up is thistle tea a passive now
no it'll just auto proc now if you drop below 50 energy
novel star
hold up is thistle tea a passive now
its not "a passive" it just passively consumes a stack
which sucks.
tame nymph
# FUTURE PTR UPDATES
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Again, these are no...
gimme back my tea button
flint tusk
I’m going to macro this again
hot chasm
Man, good assa changes are chill compared to playing arcane mage on alt. Rotation will have to change again lol
warped moon
tea button remains
balmy condor
hold up is thistle tea a passive now
no, it's both
pliant terrace
the thistle tea change is not good its fucking ass
warped moon
five second energy
violet jackal
doesn't that just mean we only press it in the opener tho
violet jackal
it will just auto consumer after 45 seconds of the fight
orchid cedar
outlaw changes look like legit buffs
marble hemlock
cant wait to have to carefully manage my energy to not drop below 50 energy while not going above 150 energy cause either one of them is a DPS loss
normal mist
cant wait to have to carefully manage my energy to not drop below 50 energy whil...
playing pinball
flint tusk
outlaw changes look like legit buffs
They’ll still just complain about no acro
tame nymph
no, it's both
wait, so the button remains...but our charges will still auto-spend if we dip below 50?
balmy condor
yes
noble pagoda
super casuals who cannot fathom havign one more button to press idk
pliant terrace
such an unnecessary and stupid change
I don't even get who its supposed to help either. Casual timmy who forgets thistle tea is an ability?
tame nymph
at LEAST it's 50 energy value, and not 50% total energy
I misread it at first. 50 value is much more managable than 50%
noble pagoda
it‘s still going to be annoying
surreal citrus
still dumb
noble pagoda
I mean chances are they‘ll reverse it still right?
gusty kestrel
hear me out perhaps we gate that behind some sort of opt in mechanic blizzard, thoughts on not fucking over people who have more than 15 apm
tame nymph
I see it mostly bugging tf out of me in pvp more than anything. It would just slow down our burst a tiny bit to avoid dipping, right? I'm sure we can get a WA made to show if our envenom would dip is below 50 or not so we don't wiff
marble hemlock
I don't even get who its supposed to help either. Casual timmy who forgets thist...
i mean, i do get that our cd burst setup has quite a few buttons
so wanting to prune that, okay
but like
noble pagoda
no
marble hemlock
why
warped moon
no!
noble pagoda
because not every spec needs to be pruned into having three buttons
marble hemlock
idk this is just kinda mindboggling
but hey
go to the forums and complain
its like what
2 more months
noble pagoda
snd was awkward and unfun, thistle tea was actually nice to press
nocturne quail
deathstalker bugs confirmed actual features
warped moon
wait im new, whats the dps loss for having over 150 energy
tame nymph
(i'm not advocating for this change at all, I also think it's dumb)
warped moon
is it just bc ur not spending fast enough
flint tusk
deathstalker bugs confirmed actual features
Aww i want fatestalker
marble hemlock
wait im new, whats the dps loss for having over 150 energy
sanguine blades consumes your energy, and you have better things to do with that energy outside of cooldowns
nova aspen
oh dear god idk what to believe with that pin 
gloomy steppe
is this Crimson Tempest change just a tooltip update?
nova aspen
updates the icon of the most bugged skill
does not fix the skill
hot chasm
Would be nice if ER counted yes
bold moss
Anyone else energy starved on single target bosses? run out of tissles
noble pagoda
yeah
novel star
!design
flint tusk
Uuuuuhm
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
ashen rover
tea 
novel star
you are supposed to be energy starved on single target
noble pagoda
oh god
novel star
All dragons no matter the class have double jump on ptr
rolling
warped moon
ship it
wise gull
As someone with turbo adhd and has always struggled with energy management this tea change terrifies me 
novel star
jk that shit is ass compared to the dh one
novel star
As someone with turbo adhd and has always struggled with energy management this ...
dw it terrifies everyone who plays sin cause its just a bad change 
flint tusk
I’m just thinking how annoying a dragon rogue would be in pvp with a glide and double jump 😅
noble pagoda
just put the tea on cd in sync with your burst so you don‘t have to think about it anymore 
ashen rover
me when im tea depleted
bold moss
you are supposed to be energy starved on single target
didn't know was this much intended. watching DPS fall off and other classes cranking it isn't fun 😦
cloud basin
So are we just not gonna click it then??
nova aspen
we need a tea command already
severe sparrow
i just took icehud off and was trying to ween myself into using the normal people energy bar and this is probably gonna spook me back into using icehud again to stare at my bars
novel star
that's just sin rogue. you have giga burst windows on ur 2min cds and in between them you are focused solely on buff/bleed maintenance
slate crown
I hate the tea change
noble pagoda
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
- While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
warped moon
itll click it for u if it goes under 50
novel star
I hate the tea change
everyone does
flint tusk
🤷 how long is a piece of string
slate crown
I hate it
raven egret
just got home, just saw they want to... nerf cut to the chase...?
slate crown
Hate it
novel star
just got home, just saw they want to... nerf cut to the chase...?
no
theyre just making it a passive
it does the exact same thing, 3s snd per cp
raven egret
oh wait no nvm
novel star
but without an active snd requirement
flint tusk
just got home, just saw they want to... nerf cut to the chase...?
Read it again but slower this time xD
raven egret
I am tired an dumb
ashen rover
-1 button
slate crown
So SnD is gone now
novel star
yes
slate crown
Well not gone
noble pagoda
snd is dead
raven egret
Thank you my fellow rogues for accepting me despite my clear flaws XD
slate crown
It’s still around as an option right?
novel star
i mean i guess outlaw is still gonna precast it. Losers
slate crown
It just isn’t needed
wise gull
So are we just not gonna click it then??
The usage of the word click aside, yes we still are. You're going to have to stay above 50 energy
thorn fox
SnD is just passive now
versed mica
i mean i guess outlaw is still gonna precast it. Losers
Naw
warped moon
outlaw rogue is just a REDUNDANT PHRASE
sullen mural
That crackshot change for outlaw is so nice to have ngl
marble hemlock
I hate the tea change
you and me both
gloomy steppe
For the wowhead notes, are the CT changes just a tooltip update?
mild silo
is questing with alliance different than it is for horde? like if me and my buddy both start at lvl 1 but ones horde and other is alliance would there be any issues with that?
versed mica
Crackshot casts a small dispatch, therefore proccing snd
marble hemlock
but discord is also a very small group of the rogue playing community ig
nova aspen
why would they make us play even more around envenom uptimes then force us to use tea
it doesnt make sense
warped moon
this discord is pretty fun
flint tusk
this discord is pretty fun
No u
warped moon
omg?
noble pagoda
its a lot more fun than some other class discords
raven egret
ok so slice and dice passive is nice, thistle tea change is... I have no idea wtf it is, of all the issues that could've been tackled, that was definitely not one of them
warped moon
it is maybe intended for more casual players but it is kind of weird
sullen mural
I already gave up on bugfixes
flint tusk
#deleteER
ashen rover
slate crown
orchid cedar
it doesn't lol
gloomy steppe
Is uh, is the CT change on wowhead just a tooltip update? Has anyone had a chance to compare live vs ptr values?
bold moss
Thats just how dps works tho
fair, no down time on my warrior tho xD
raven egret
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
what do you think we need a mastery buff for at random ass times? - wrong ping sry mate!
flint tusk
You know it’s not a passive
severe sparrow
isnt anyone who needed help pressing tea just gonna slam through all 3 stacks of their tea automatically and then be back at square one of no energy?
flint tusk
It’s still an ability just that it also procs automatically
sullen mural
Yeah I know what automatic means, and I don't want it
slate crown
I don't what does it mean?
sullen mural
Let me manage my teas on my own ffs
marble hemlock
we currently use tea alongside shiv for the mastery, not necessarily the energy. so having it randomly be consumed when you hit sub50 outside of CDs is not it, and not using it with shiv/kb at all times is not a good play either
steady owl
you'll still want to track tea though right? And try to align it with other cds? Not sure if like
flint tusk
ashen rover
mfw i search for ER and when i find it, they are changing the icon
ruby remnant
just make tea changes a toggle ffs
snow kindle
you'll still want to track tea though right? And try to align it with other cds?...
itll never proc during cds
ashen rover
marble hemlock
itll never proc during cds
it does if you click off your poisons!
warped moon
i remember back when we had to craft our thistle tea 👵
sullen mural
itll never proc during cds
This is the problem
snow kindle
it does if you click off your poisons!
😭
sullen mural
It'll proc outside of cds and use up your charges
so you cant have amstery in cd
nice men
flint tusk
it does if you click off your poisons!
Recasting poisons mid fight is the new meta!
sullen mural
love that
slate crown
It'll proc outside of cds and use up your charges
It won't if you never drop below 50
better not drop below 50
marble hemlock
Recasting poisons mid fight is the new meta!
we wanna pool to not hit 50 outside of CDs anyway
plenty of time to recast poisons
flint tusk
True based and real
sullen mural
better not drop below 50
Not always in your hands sadly
orchid cedar
that change won't make it live
sullen mural
marble hemlock
i mean
orchid cedar
becouse it makes no sense
marble hemlock
it is always in your hands
you dont lose energy unless you press a button that costs it
ashen rover
i remember back when we had to craft our thistle tea 👵
when you had to get it from class hall..
proud pelican
just make it a choice node auto proc/on use gg
raven egret
it makes absolutely no sense, sorry, but overdoing it on the 50+ energy maintenance is ridiculous
marble hemlock
so dropping below 50energy is 100% in the players control. its just really awkward to have to fucking pay attention to it
flint tusk
when you had to get it from class hall..
Cooking bro
wet meteor
Cooking bro
midnight cedar
warped moon
swiftthistle loops 🥹
orchid cedar
not having that passive is more control anyways
marble hemlock
idk like
balmy condor
this is just tooltip shit
normal mist
why cook when u can just buy it
It's an old item
marble hemlock
theres been a lot of dead characters when dalaran crashed, but nomi wasnt one of them, and he clearly cooked some of these changes
ashen rover
It's an old item
ik 😄
dense lodge
Is there a weak aura to track the envenom buff?
arctic tusk
is sin changes BOOM OR DOOM
arctic tusk
besides tea isnt it nice?
warped moon
feels boom but ive been doing retail rogue for like 6hrs so
marble hemlock
not having to hardcast snd is at least nice for aoe as well
warped moon
marble hemlock
or open world shit
arctic tusk
fatebound change is nice too
marble hemlock
although i do think its kind of hilarious how the sbs change basically gave us the free snd cast we needed on pull
and now its not needed anymore
arctic tusk
is twist the knife the amirdrassil tier set talent
desert blaze
Looks like the stiletto dagger is back to 1.80…a worthy choice?
slate crown
Is there a weak aura to track the envenom buff?
!wa - LE Collection has a progress bar with a tick for pandemic's time.
If you want an icon, it would be a very simple one to make yourself using New Aura -> Template, Weakauras will guide you through what to do
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
ashen rover
Looks like the stiletto dagger is back to 1.80…a worthy choice?
pin
flint tusk
is twist the knife the amirdrassil tier set talent
Nope,
It’ll just make us be able to have overlapping envenom buffs
hexed willow
sin's skill expression just got increased
whole sand
i cant wait to express how bad i am
warped moon
its never too late!
desert blaze
slate crown
Pawn 
flint tusk
Explains a lot
potent dawn
Someone READ THE PIN this plz
balmy condor
⬆️ +13% upgrade
warped moon
whys that dagger play like my frog deck
nova aspen
whole sand
pawn has destroyed the wow player
balmy condor
why would the green arrow ever say something dumb and stupid
that doesn't make sense
flint tusk
The green arrow would never lie
warped moon
number go up....
balmy condor
they wouldn't make it green if it weren't an upgrade
severe sparrow
wow of the future should just put the sims in the tooltip for you instead of a pawn string
severe sparrow
real time sims when
marble hemlock
dinosaurs fucking ruled
slate crown
So like overlapping envenom effects means... what we go from 30% additional proc chance per stack? up to 3 times?
marble hemlock
good show to grow up with
slate crown
does that mean they even pandemic anymore?
slate crown
slate crown
It doesn't seem obvious to me though
nova aspen
so now deathstalker does not want to be sub 50% energy
potent dawn
does that mean they even pandemic anymore?
Does it even matter if they do?
flint tusk
Yeh not having pandemic is fine
marble hemlock
and now theyre giving it to envenom
balmy condor
So like overlapping envenom effects means... what we go from 30% additional proc...
and extra crit from dashing, and extra rapid injection damage
ebon notch
Guys I heard we proc tea in opener next patch I love streamlined rotations!!
flint tusk
It’s a bit odd and reduces uptime slightly i’d imagine but hardly
potent dawn
so now deathstalker does not want to be sub 50% energy <:PepeLaugh:6018016350854...
But is Clear The Witness ever going to not be booty? That is the REAL question
slate crown
and extra crit from dashing, and extra rapid injection damage
extra energy from dashing you think too? Per stack at time of application? or no?
marble hemlock
the REAL question is
will shadowheart be buffed?
or will that talent remain for all of TWW
earnest remnant
no
marble hemlock
as the single worst talent in the history of rogue
ebon notch
No no the real question is where is my extra charge of grappling hook
potent dawn
In before they re-add dust but now its for ALL specs
slate crown
Yeh not having pandemic is fine
I put a lot of working into that tick marker dynamically updating is what my is about. 😛
drifting cloud
Guys I heard we proc tea in opener next patch I love streamlined rotations!!
ok mage main
balmy condor
extra energy from dashing you think too? Per stack at time of application? or no...
nah the energy is per poison, that's still 1 per poison, you're getting more poisons cause they stacking envenom buff, would be a double dip
ebon notch
ok mage main
Wtf I main mage now?
potent dawn
No no the real question is where is my extra charge of grappling hook
If you find the hook you can have it
ebon notch
lost ark looking better and better again
Burn the cards
slate crown
Also it doesn't seem clear to me, is there a clear reason for it to be better to stack as many as possible, or spread them out, or does it matter at all?
earnest remnant
slate crown
I feel like it shouldn't matter which like
orchid cedar
what would you even drop to take twist the knife?
slate crown
What does pooling even look like if using ttk
flint tusk
That’s what whispyr is here to find out :p
slate crown
I keep forgetting it's with ttk, not a baseline change
marble hemlock
think whispyr is gonna pretend to be blissfully unaware of this proposed change for at least a while
marble hemlock
im having a hard time seeing ttk becoming a viable alternative to whatever our weakest talent is at that point
ebon notch
Whispyr sick that day
earnest remnant
think whispyr is gonna pretend to be blissfully unaware of this proposed change ...
he just like me frfr
marble hemlock
couldnt they just have made ttk make envenom deal more damage or smth
like
the fuck is this stacking
ebon notch
Stacking is gonna be sick
marble hemlock
whats the problem that is being solved
or what interesting gameplay does it enable
slate crown
I have no idea
ebon notch
Fuck pooling gimme infinite whatever stacking gives
I will proc all of my tea charges in 5 seconds
flint tusk
So how much damage will KB do if you can max stack it in the first few ticks with 5 stacks of envenom.
potent dawn
That’s what whispyr is here to find out :p
ebon notch
Holy flashbang
marble hemlock
if i cast 2 7second envenoms, would i event want to overlap them for x seconds of double benefits, instead of just waiting to clip them for maximum duration
like
slate crown
if i cast 2 7second envenoms, would i event want to overlap them for x seconds o...
That's what i'm saying
flint tusk
5 stacking for Kingsbane calling it
ebon notch
Surely you just stack them
marble hemlock
why
ebon notch
And then get infinite feedback loop of energy regen
flint tusk
Totally not doing this to make whsipyr’s brain go into overdrive
balmy condor
Also it doesn't seem clear to me, is there a clear reason for it to be better to...
okay I'm gonna break it down hopefully from a different angle but I am in a hearthstone game so it might take some time give me a second
ebon notch
And you play minigame of maintaining enough stacks to maintain the stacks
balmy condor
I play battleground duos yes
slate crown
okay I'm gonna break it down hopefully from a different angle but I am in a hear...
Take all the time you need nobody here is playing ptr rn
and thx
and gl with your game
marble hemlock
hope you lose for not playing rogue
balmy condor
if I win this it's 5k :)
marble hemlock
pretty sure you dont play rogue in hearthstone, do you?
ebon notch
Yeah fuck you whispyr hope u lose
novel star
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
slate crown
why
Like is the stacking from envenom +application chance additive / multiplicative? Does it heavy DR if you reach 100% poison chance? or do you even reach it? Some of these questions may be unanswerable now and may need to be tested
marble hemlock
id assume its just additive
flint tusk
Will always be additive
marble hemlock
dont have to, my details has "always show me" active
raven egret
I mean additive or not it sounds way too wonky and complicated for absolutely no reason, no?
flint tusk
Just get PI and lust
No not again
slate crown
dont have to, my details has "always show me" active
My details has "only show me" active 
ebon notch
Out here doing solo raids goddamn
flint tusk
We’re free from the unholy curse of s3
marble hemlock
i mean, the feedback loop is prolly supposed to be more poison damage (which frankly kind of sucks right now) and offer a playstyle opposite to SB; where you just pump and dump envenoms as much as you can, get poison procs which then give more energy due to having multiple envenoms up via dashing etc.
ebon notch
Wait that’s what I said
marble hemlock
didnt read, youre sub colored
ebon notch
I’m colourblind idek what colour I am
marble hemlock
youre cyan
ebon notch
Wtf is that
marble hemlock
for sub
marble hemlock
its a bit like teal
flint tusk
didnt read, youre sub colored
Monk colour 👀
marble hemlock
but different
ebon notch
Ok well not my fault
slate crown
Like rn I vibe hard with pooling and envenom uptime management when it exists and we don't have too much energy, which wouldn't make sense with new ttk
ebon notch
Pretend I’m human
ebon notch
Ow my eyes
raven egret
well good news is these are just initial ptr changes, not final or anything
ebon notch
Now I’m just regular blind
whole sand
they could of at least pretended like they're going to fix ER by November tho
marble hemlock
Ow my eyes
thats what im saying everytime i have to see sub colored names in here
slate crown
Monk colour 👀
Monk color has a hint of green to it and less blue compared to sub's color here
potent dawn
Who's happy about never seeing a Slice and Dice button again?
glass hemlock
But what do I put on my keybind now 😭
cobalt sphinx
so happy we save 1 combo point and 1 global per dungeon
slate crown
Who's happy about never seeing a Slice and Dice button again?
indifferent
ebon notch
If we could actually hit a threshold where we could maintain like 10 stacks forever that would be sick
cerulean nest
at least we dodged hot fixes again
slate crown
I never cared about SnD changes, I am fine with snd
flint tusk
Monk color has a hint of green to it and less blue compared to sub's color here
I’m meaning.
YOU’RE monk coloured
pallid bough
ebon notch
But we’d have higher apm than outlaw
potent dawn
But what do I put on my keybind now 😭
Tea that will just go off on its own of COURSE
glass hemlock
But that’s on a DIFFERENT BIND
marble hemlock
i mean you aint maintaining more than 2 stacks of evenom with TTK
maybe short bursts of 3
potent dawn
But that’s on a DIFFERENT BIND
2 binds
glass hemlock
I’m never gonna press 4 again in loving memory of snd
potent dawn
3 even
slate crown
I’m meaning.
YOU’RE monk coloured
Monk color has a hint of blue to it and less green compared to greennames color here
potent dawn
1 per charge
marble hemlock
but you gotta build to 5+ first as well
flint tusk
maybe short bursts of 3
17 it is
glass hemlock
Nah cause tea is still pushable no?
novel star
you need energy to play but don't go over 50% because sb is inefficient and also don't go under 50 because then you nerf your burst window
novel star
sick game
severe sparrow
monk color looks like it tastes like 5 gum
potent dawn
Nah cause tea is still pushable no?
yes but only if you don't kill the charges
glass hemlock
Love it
nova aspen
you need energy to play but don't go over 50% because sb is inefficient and also...
yep
its great
celest helm
The thistle tea change should just be a choice node. Lazy player option but fuck thats cancer
mild hawk
is questing with alliance different than it is for horde? like if me and my budd...
it's pretty much the same actually
raven egret
ok so feedback #1 - tea change is really dumb
#2 - twist the knife change is really confusing
sour wraith
So why not make snd passive at this point
nova aspen
its still like 2 months out, so basically when season 1 is boring
flint tusk
ok so feedback #1 - tea change is really dumb
#2 - twist the knife change is rea...
Shiv change 👀
potent dawn
I can see the 11.0.5 guide now "When its 30 seconds from cooldowns being up sit on your hands to make sure you can still Tea with them" "Then proceed with the priority list"
novel star
So why not make snd passive at this point
they are
sour wraith
Or am i reading the cttc change wrong
novel star
you will never press snd ever
slate crown
ok so feedback #1 - tea change is really dumb
#2 - twist the knife change is rea...
shiv?
torn sierra
Ulria's raw dps sim has me sad panda
novel star
cut to the chase does the exact same thing, add 3 seconds. it just doesnt require the buff to be up in advance
so snd is a passive
sour wraith
they are
Ik but whats the point of having cttc and snd as a possible active ability instead of just making snd perma passive
marble hemlock
Ik but whats the point of having cttc and snd as a possible active ability inste...
theres none
raven egret
/envenom
novel star
Ik but whats the point of having cttc and snd as a possible active ability inste...
blizzard entertainment (also pvp maybe? i dont know)
sour wraith
Neat
potent dawn
Ik but whats the point of having cttc and snd as a possible active ability inste...
"flavor"
whole sand
this confirms the ER dream is dead
magic dust
When will the changes be available for testing on the ptr?
whole sand
we ain't even hotfix'd
median root
this confirms the ER dream is dead
What does
potent dawn
this confirms the ER dream is dead
yep they put art resources into it so its not dying
marble hemlock
also
why the fuck are we getting new icons for ER and flag?
theyre not even 4years old
potent dawn
BUT THEY LOOK SHADOW LANDSY
slate crown
is fine what's wrong with that icon
potent dawn
Cant have that
whole sand
What does
my anxiety mostly (we're not in hotfix before raid and its not planned in PTR)
dusky token
There are rogue changes?
novel star
why the fuck are we getting new icons for ER and flag?
cause of the df patch where they removed covenant vfx
the spell icons are still covenant themed
now they wont be
ashen rover
hotfixing the icon
slate crown
There are rogue changes?
📌
novel star
why not
novel star
but whats the downside
marble hemlock
theres none, but why not change some of the abilities that actually share icons
ruby oyster
whats the idea behind twist the knife change? we pool 299 energy and then dump as many envenoms as we can? and then we wait an hour to get back to 300 again? im not sure if im reading that change right
whole sand
we all found out about 5 minutes ago let the smart people cook first
novel star
theres none, but why not change some of the abilities that actually share icons
at least those make sense
flint tusk
whats the idea behind twist the knife change? we pool 299 energy and then dump a...
Turbo poison bomb spam time!
marble hemlock
we change 2 icons that are very new and work perfectly fine, but we cant change coldblood and inevitability to not have the same icons
potent dawn
so arbitrary
So was changing the spell effects but they did it cuz "Shadowlands poo poo"
novel star
reprimand still having kyrian blue and the vfx being completely different is kind of bad
from an art perspective
slate crown
None of this was on the bingo card
That's what i'm saying
whole sand
this ain't bingo no more
potent dawn
or lethality and MA having same icon
Sorry no budget for this
novel star
or lethality and MA having same icon
matters more on active spells
slate crown
The only thing that was like "yeah makes sense" is dust is dead
novel star
cause you actually see them on the bar and hit them and the thing your character does in response to the active is inconsistent with the design of the icon
novel star
again, it doesnt really matter but it matters slightly more than changing the icon of a passive
limber lion
Like not saying it's good or bad
novel star
and it costs nothing
limber lion
Just.... weird
slate crown
u want extra sod charges? here u go
I don't even know how that will play just not at all waht I was expecting
whole sand
i wonder if sub are having a crisis too
slate crown
# FUTURE PTR UPDATES
[Video](<https://youtu.be/ob2EUnstXBU>)
Again, these are no...
It's ok my head hurts too
potent dawn
i wonder if sub are having a crisis too
They are dancing in the streets
Dust is dead
whole sand
man 
marble hemlock
some decent qol stuff but
flint tusk
Issue is, dust wasn’t bad
The absolutely fucked up CD timers was what made it bad
marble hemlock
KIR base cd reduces means
nova aspen
bf changes and bte getting reset going into vanish
they are more excited about KIR cd
frosty portal
When do these changes go live?
nova aspen
bte refresh is noob friendly, and they think precise cuts still isn't worth taking
slate crown
Personally hate the tea change
Just makes life more of a hassle
potent dawn
When do these changes go live?
like a month?
raven egret
yeah agreed
nova aspen
cuz u have to give up ghost strike
limber lion
Imagine procing it then a mob with 20s rupture dies
flint tusk
Anniversary patch so late october/november
slate crown
yeah but casual carl is happy
nova aspen
whispyr going ham btw
marble hemlock
When do these changes go live?
anniversary patch, mid november
nova aspen
whole sand
its a very intense game of hearthstone
fleet pagoda
maybe we can get a choice node to opt out of the auto-teas
slate crown
And don't get me wrong I'm happy for casual carl
marble hemlock
im not, fuck him
slate crown
I just wish it wasn't an actively frustrating element of tea being added
marble hemlock
casual carl is why we cant have nice things
nova aspen
rogue is the 2nd least played class in the game
whole sand
casual carl could have just macro'd it into shiv or something
nova aspen
casuals that play rogue has got to be a small number
marble hemlock
*could have
marble hemlock
could of/should of are big triggers for me, sorry
whole sand
can't even fathom a response
flint tusk
could of/should of are big triggers for me, sorry
Should coulds
whole sand
i changed it tho i felt scared
potent dawn
Should coulds
Might could
limber lion
Good
fleet pagoda
lose/loose 
celest helm
Agreed. Buff assass rogue
slate crown
lose/loose <:peepomad:585733840954458124>
loose me with that shit
marble hemlock
i changed it tho i felt scared
nothing personal, its just one of those things that really makes me shiver irl every time i read it 😄
warped moon
assass deezstalker
potent dawn
nothing personal, its just one of those things that really makes me shiver irl e...
People in Tennessee use to say to me "might could" or "might would" and it drove me INSANE
limber lion
Was Slice deleted or is it still a button?
marble hemlock
People in Tennessee use to say to me "might could" or "might would" and it drove...
nice
slate crown
Was Slice deleted or is it still a button?
still abutton
marble hemlock
the most annoying one in german is when people order and say "im getting XYZ"
warped moon
might could is part of my vernacular!
limber lion
Even more weitd
marble hemlock
instead of "id like to have" or smth along those lines
warped moon
aint no bout adoubt it
marble hemlock
slate crown
yeeted
limber lion
Gar Rup Muti Shiv Env Death Shiv KB probs it now idk
marble hemlock
its like
celest helm
Have fun still casting it with your opwner
Opwner
marble hemlock
nails on a chalkboard for me
flint tusk
Oo people with styrofoam
limber lion
Cttc buff super whayever who cares lol
slate crown
Tea removed keybind kinda pog
flint tusk
Rekt
sudden brook
Isn't it a passive
celest helm
Outlaw player praying on our downfall
sudden brook
Like u can't press it?
slate crown
No you still can
marble hemlock
you wanna press it during CDs
slate crown
It's both
marble hemlock
where you dont drop sub50
sudden brook
That's so insane then
limber lion
:)
slate crown
Which means you do not want to drop below 50 outside cds
sudden brook
I fw it
slate crown
sudden brook
Dropping below 50 is a noob check anyway
warped moon
thistle tea has had a milk icon for 20 years 🥹
limber lion
Such a dumb change lol
flint tusk
getting it auto-procced is actually a dps loss
Got the sims for that? :p
marble hemlock
Dropping below 50 is a noob check anyway
ye but if you play DS, you also dont wanna go above 150
fickle lotus
guys just pretend we lost 50 max energy it's fine /s
flint tusk
🤓
whole sand
the weakaura people will save us
dark token
Tea removed keybind kinda pog
They need to not pussy out and fully remove tea
flint tusk
I love staring at bars instead of fights
dark token
It was one of the most complained about talents since introduced in dF beta
marble hemlock
i love staring at fights in bars
potent dawn
Or is it both
its buttcheeks is what it is
dark token
Just really underwhelming vanilla gameolay
Just fully remove tea
No more half measures
Not this 50 energy thing
nova aspen
tea change was indirect nerf to bugstalker
slate crown
the weakaura people will save us
I mean i'm just going to have a tick at 50 and call it a day but we don't know for sure yet how these changes shake out for rotational play and also there's likely more changes coming
Also
new ER icon
Kinda meh
I prefer the blue
I think flag's new icon is good
novel star
i dont hate it
fickle lotus
Looks like a warrior button
novel star
it looks like an outlaw button but its fine
potent dawn
Photoshop hue slider in full effect
novel star
better than being kyrian
novel star
I think flag's new icon is good
post 😠
fleet pagoda
not the ER notes we've been waiting for 
flint tusk
For the people thinking it removes a keybind
warped moon
god i miss him so much just wish he'd come back
fickle lotus
Okay that goes hard
warped moon
shift equal is rly intense
limber lion
Wtffff
novel star
oh kinda cool yeah
warped moon
how do u press shift equal...
potent dawn
again desaturate and then hue slider
novel star
i think the bleed stuff was fine cause its literally a bleed and on rogue so they didnt need to be that scared of venthyr similarities or whtaever but meh
limber lion
Doesn't look like an exciting big button to me
flint tusk
shift equal is rly intense
Probs a 12button mouse
limber lion
Looks like a generator
warped moon
ohh
slate crown
Doesn't look like an exciting big button to me
well to be fair
potent dawn
Looks like a generator
for Sub
slate crown
does flag feel like an exciting big button?
potent dawn
no
slate crown
I don't like flag, it just feels empty even though I know it does damage
slate crown
ER feels like a chunky slap, I like it
limber lion
Than Flag
slate crown
But I don't like the new ER icon
whole sand
i mean shadowstrike looks way cooler than that now
midnight cedar
Are the changes to Crimson Tempest a buff or a nerf?
flint tusk
Jesus whispyr come on how long is this BG for the poor guy to get his answer
limber lion
Yeh SS is better
limber lion
Are the changes to Crimson Tempest a buff or a nerf?
What changes
potent dawn
Yea looks like tooltip crap only
unreal mauve
For the people thinking it removes a keybind <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
does the passive proc consume a charge?
flint tusk
Probably
midnight cedar
What changes
unreal mauve
potent dawn
does the passive proc consume a charge?
if it didnt it would be busted and would make all the work they did to slow down energy gains in beta pointless
limber lion
Sims
limber lion
if it didnt it would be busted and would make all the work they did to slow down...
It would legit break the spec, so yes it would consume a charge
flint tusk
if it didnt it would be busted and would make all the work they did to slow down...
Is this where we sandbag so hard it looks like we have 15 apm to make this happen?
balmy condor
okay, giga ttk explanation time (probably deserves a video in of itself honestly)
What's the problem?
- We have near 100% envenom uptime (I'm just gonna say 100% for easy explanation), and that's going to either cause overcapping of envenom buff (likely), or energy (not likely)
So What does TTK "solve" then?
- We can turn any overcapped envenom into pure additive bonuses (like ironfur). So instead of 30% poison chance, we can do 60%, instead of 10% envenom damage from rapid injection, it's 20%, instead of 5% weapon poison crit from dashing it's 10% crit on poison. And instead of overcapping envenom uptime, we don't.
Okay so lets do like an example here. During Shiv right now, you're applying (again, rough averaged numbers) around 3 poisons a second for 8 seconds is 24 poisons. To note, poison chances are additive while DTB is a multiplier, so imp poison + base is 35 x0.7dtb is 24.5%, and envenom would then add 30% x0.7 = +21% for a total of 45.5% right? So then a second of envenom would add another 21% for a total of 66.5% chance
Aighty now that we covered that basis, lets try and make sense of things. Lets say you're in shiv, during deathmark, and you have 10 stacks of amp poison. You envenom does 100 damage, shiv is 130, amp is 175.5, second amp is 236.9. Before, you would then also have rapid injection on top for total of 260.6, but you're spamming envenom and clipping the duration anyway, so now it's 20% instead so you're doing 284.3 damage. So that's another 9%ish buff to envenom, during cds. (They're all multipliers so it's 9% for non amp-poison envenoms too).
Okay so that's pretty good. But then lets consider something like kingsbane. If you're applying 3 poisons a second with your current envenom, lets reverse that out. Right now that's with a 45.5% chance, so we can do some quick math, not gonna bore you, 4.4 poisons a second. SO WHAT DOES THAT DO. Well instead of 30 stacks of kingsbane in 10 seconds, that's 44 stacks. That's good. Instead of 24 poisons in a shiv it's 35. And if we run dashing, instead of like 35% crit chance on those poisons it's 40%. blah blah blah crit chance is damage, crit chance is energy, small stuff whatever poisons do more damage, more procs, more kingsbane, more damage
So what's that mean for gameplay at the end of the day?
Given we're kinda just empty inside without cds, this is just strict KB/Env/Poison buff during shiv, and then probably just ignore outside of shiv. I wouldn't be surprised to see like pooling before a shiv to 70%ish, envenom into the shiv like we do with deathmark, all that jazz
@slate crown
whole sand
HOLY
nova aspen
flint tusk
Finally jesus
balmy condor
again like I told you 10 minutes ago, this is just tooltip changes
slate crown
<@228712200385200130>
Thx 
balmy condor
rolling stacks so doesnt refresh itself
it's ironfur
whole sand
nice, i don't need to do anything new 
cerulean walrus
okay, giga ttk explanation time (probably deserves a video in of itself honestly...
That’s a lot of words….
ember mural
mfer
gleaming spire
hey guys, if anyone is using the whispyr plater profile and pvps, have you noticed some times enemy player plates are turning flat white and not showing any info?
unreal mauve
hey guys, if anyone is using the whispyr plater profile and pvps, have you notic...
you mean when you're hovering it with cursor?
gleaming spire
nah ill see if i can get a screencap rq
split veldt
so does this mean we dont have to press SnD ever again?
nova aspen
u might make that a !ttk command
raven egret
so, PTR wise ER charged points still dont trigger Deathmark.
safe barn
Crackshot Entering Stealth refreshes the cooldown of Between the Eyes.
FUCK YES, wrong channel
unreal mauve
so, PTR wise ER charged points still dont trigger Deathmark.
Mut only changes to ambush with blindside procs no?
raven egret
this looks cool though
yeah agreed
balmy condor
so, PTR wise ER charged points still dont trigger Deathmark.
it never did that
short flint
forced thistle tea drinking :/
raven egret
yeah nevermind me I am on another planet seemingly
warped moon
dusty zenith
whole sand
dw blizzard will use it for you now
short flint
well at least i dont have to worry about missing the occasional feint to energy
raven egret
main point remains, ER + Deathstalker mark not fixed in PTR either XD
raven egret
well at least i dont have to worry about missing the occasional feint to energy
or crimson vial
unreal mauve
including ER + darkest night
whole sand
we all gonna be dragons now?
safe barn
Looks like these changes focused to decrease the amount of buttons pressed?
main blaze
dragon time
safe barn
at least i saw that pattern
short flint
on an unrelated note, if youve ever noticed (like i have) that your nameplates seem to shimmer or move in a stuttering way i just realized they are subject to windows scaling (interpretted as text) and if your scale factor is not integer (200,400%) then it has a non even number or horiztontal vs verticals pixels which causes the judder. you can fix it by setting scaling to gpu, no scaling with override game ticked in nvcp. u can still scale windows up but the game will render all elements correctly
dusty zenith
How long does envenom last? 11 seconds
slate crown
https://imgur.com/jHAtInA
Indeed.
balmy condor
Anyway, we interrupt your regularly scheduled brainrot, with different brainrot
Enjoy a Gregorian chant
Now back to whatever the hell we were complaining about
whole sand
can we replace the wowhead bis list with this
balmy condor
I wish
vital flicker
Rogue stonks going to increase in 11.0.5, invest now?
dark token
on an unrelated note, if youve ever noticed (like i have) that your nameplates s...
What
You need to not use run-on and clarify some terms
What scale factor
Wow scale factor in UI?
Scale factor of windows?
fickle lotus
Does the nature damage from the gem embelishment have any interactions with our talents and such? i'm guessing no because it mentions from you right?
slate crown
Scale factor of windows?
scale factor of dn
dark token
scale factor of dn
What's dn
twin plume
hahahahah
spice spire
darkest night silly
true condor
So in KB rn all we got is to hope? Without any thing to part with?
lime seal
for wowhead rotation Deathstalker ST, how come with vicious venom talent, it still feels like you need to follow the (without vicious venom talent rotation)
lime seal
in order to get the procs and need
spice spire
windows alert for dn
?
cloud fox
re: the pin how does the rewording of the tooltip mean SnD is removed?
Cut to the chase
Slice and Dice removed I guess
fickle lotus
Removed in the sense we no longer have to press it
main blaze
When you finisher you get snd
raven egret
re: the pin how does the rewording of the tooltip mean SnD is removed?
> Cut to ...
it GRANTS you, straight up GIVES you SND time
so its passive
cloud fox
ah nice ty
main blaze
We were telling them that we want better class talent tree and hero talents, so they focused on button bloat for 11.0.5
vital flicker
it GRANTS you, straight up GIVES you SND time
I mean they should just remove SnD at that point and just have cut to the chase
raven egret
thats pretty much what they are doing
dusty zenith
It’s basically the same rotation minus fok
vital flicker
Removing like 3 keybinds is poggers
raven egret
3....?
whole sand
you still press tea
raven egret
oh... Thistle Tea isnt being removed and its not passive
vital flicker
Ah okay
whole sand
tea now just has a negative now
slate crown
it's still there
whole sand
you can 'fuck it up'
vital flicker
Seems weird for them to make it passively use charges, probably means we will have to pool energy above 50 to avoid using it
raven egret
it's still there
yeah for now, I don't see the point in keeping it there if that changes goes through
slate crown
yeah for now, I don't see the point in keeping it there if that changes goes thr...
It's still a button u can press ala pick lock
raven egret
Hey! I pick lock all the time!.... sometimes...
woven shore
cloud fox
Where the Detection pressers at?
woven shore
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
fickle lotus
when the mob pack dies before i get to envenom 
woven shore
just what we needed hahahahahaha
blizzard is unbelieveable
maybe the bug isnt a bug
if itll work it would be cheating
shell lodge
are assassination sims screwed up on raidbots?
dusty zenith
They don’t exist
dusty zenith
Overwatch shutting down
tiny apex
ong?
novel arrow
I really dont like this .
novel arrow
It's november ptr
junior aurora
Anyone know how to change the font of the CD timers in WA?
novel arrow
they changed it to a passive or smtng??
It's like the anniversary patch notes.
slate crown
Anyone know how to change the font of the CD timers in WA?
If you're talking about the timer texts that are added to all icons, no, those are inhereted by your system fonts
but you can disable that timer text
and replace it with a WA text, and that you can change the font of
raven egret
they changed it to a passive or smtng??
no, they added a passive effect, but its otherwise still the same active button
slate crown
Anyone know how to change the font of the CD timers in WA?
Then in the text elements on the display tab, you can create/ modify texts including changing fonts
junior aurora
I think I figured it out just now, you go to ELVUI -> C/Ds -> WA tab, enable ELVUI to overwrite your c/d text, then change the font
ooooh
south lava
So thistle tea is passive now? Auto proc under 50 ener?
junior aurora
thanks I'll try this too might use less resources
slate crown
So thistle tea is passive now? Auto proc under 50 ener?
It's still an active
It just also auto triggers under 50
south lava
I see
manic pebble
huge rogue buff in ptr 
vague monolith
That thistle tea change seems kinda bad ngl
novel star
huge rogue buff in ptr <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
where
novel star
That thistle tea change seems kinda bad ngl
it is
novel star
yea im aware of the patch notes but which change is the huge buff
vague monolith
Also how is rogue the most undesirable broken class and our section is still the smallest in these notes. They really dont know what to do smh. I guess just be happy with the slice and dice change
vast patio
sudden demise is such a funny talent.
novel star
yea im aware of the patch notes but which change is the huge buff
i guess you mean twist the knife?
white lance
i guess you mean twist the knife?
Flag icon kinda poppin
eternal geode
Do our poisons have a chance to proc the Very Rare Ring's "Grant you an additional dose"?
novel star
cut to the chase is cool i guess but the number diff will be super tiny
am i missing something
novel arrow
That thistle tea change seems kinda bad ngl
Its really garbage. You literally can't hold a charge.
spice spire
whole sand
i have nothing to do for 4 days let me be dooming
novel arrow
i have nothing to do for 4 days let me be dooming
nothing to do?
Wtf
Theres so much to do in wow atm. Professions, mount farming etc
spice spire
Monkey only do damage (I’m monkey)
whole sand
none of that contributes to my perceived self worth of the above mentioned, damage
spice spire
man's running heroics to feel something
whole sand
anything
desert cove
<:HidingThePain:585544030788517919> anything
drop $90 and play 40k space marines 2
or get a friend to invite you to the deadlock playtest
spice spire
drop $90 and play 40k space marines 2
miss me w that
also don't need the invite
got the invite
haven't opened steam in like
4 years ama
obsidian zinc
the thistle tea change look bad but is someone really enjoying the gameplay around it?
earnest remnant
personally i did not mind it
red dew
The only way it isn’t dog shit is if they remove charges but that seems broken
cunning basin
or get a friend to invite you to the deadlock playtest
Deadlock sucks
novel star
nah deadlock is fine
novel star
Mechanics are atrocious, balance is atrocious
whats wrong with the mechanics
balance is changing wildly like twice a week so that doesnt matter but
patent storm
little question. Are we bad in st ? An arcane mage in my guilde sim 230k more than me with 10 less ilvl wtf
cunning basin
Idk last I played it there were a select couple characters that could wipe your ass from across lane while your guns had falloff and you couldnt fight back, plus jungle creeps on a full damage character took literally 10 clips to kill
novel star
sin st is mid
cunning basin
So I uninstalled it and went back to playing smite kek
novel star
not great not garbage
desert cove
So I uninstalled it and went back to playing smite kek
deadlock is peak
better than overwatch, better than smite, better than any other shooter moba hybrid
warped moon
desert cove
and it's a playtest
chilly merlin
hi friends is there any way to fix bone spike interacting with details so annoyingly
all just the ticks of its damage lol
whole sand
imagine playing a hi-rez game
woven shore
play league of legends
Disgusting
novel star
better than overwatch, better than smite, better than any other shooter moba hyb...
i dont even like the game that much but agree lol
cunning basin
Eh to each their own. Smite is fun in like a "aww look it thinks it's a good game" kinda way
chilly merlin
or a dungeon etc
desert cove
just walking away from the town
whole sand
i'll never forgive them for tribes
desert cove
but it's also such a small amount of damage that it really won't add enough damage to make your dummy testing weird
hybrid meadow
the thistle tea change look bad but is someone really enjoying the gameplay arou...
Havent had the option to play with it yet but in my head i like it.
tiny apex
Disgusting
no C:
chilly merlin
ah ty flying away worked
chilly merlin
but it's also such a small amount of damage that it really won't add enough dama...
its more there being 100 different logs and trying to find the one i need
whole sand
deadlock does look cool tho
prisma coral
leave that kid alone
desert cove
Trying to quit League is like trying to stop jerking off as Teenager
I'm ~8 months clean of league of legends
trying to keep it that way
save more money too
woven shore
I'm ~8 months clean of league of legends
Im clean 1 week
desert cove
you can do it
novel star
i havent played league outside of a 5 stack in like 4 months
woven shore
Once i did 1 1/2 years
brittle saddle
Has anyone noticed the changes to Crimson Tempest? Is it a buff or a nerf?
woven shore
That was peak
whole sand
Has anyone noticed the changes to Crimson Tempest? Is it a buff or a nerf?
tooltip
novel star
Has anyone noticed the changes to Crimson Tempest? Is it a buff or a nerf?
just a tooltip change
not actually any tuning
brittle saddle
Haha, that's good.
abstract canopy
so if echoing reprimand doesnt get fixed, deathstalker is still better in ST right?
im assuming the sims have it working properly?
novel star
the sims include all of the bugs
already
so deathstalker is better including er mark bug
abstract canopy
got it ty
novel star
theyll just get even betterererest if its fixed
deft rampart
Damm is crimson tempest trash now?
novel star
Damm is crimson tempest trash now?
its literally not changed
deft rampart
wait what, what are the changes to it then
novel star
the datamined "tempest change" is just tooltip stuff