assassination

[iron carbon]

Select each child of the group "Combo point" and in display, you can change height and width

You can also change it for the group itself

Best way to learn is to duplicate and try by yourself

That's how I learn to edit/create my wa

[normal mist]

Yesterday I did like 90% of the weekly chores. I should level Alts now

[slow helm]

nah obviously you harass the original creator of the weakaura!

[fading plinth]

Quick question, if I have slice and dice up in stealth before a boss, can I just open with deathmark, shiv, kingsbane, then apply garrote and rupture with the stealth bonuses still aplying?

[midnight atlas]

no

[fading plinth]

Thats okay, why not?

[midnight atlas]

you waste seconds of deathmark by not having bleeds up before using it

[fading plinth]

Ok, I might be valuing the duplication of the bleed more

[normal mist]

If you already have SnD rolling, just follow the rotation and remove that point from the opener

[real pike]

remember you also need to open with ambush if you're playing deathstalker

[normal mist]

It's that simple

[real pike]

amazing thank you ❤️

[fading plinth]

I'm newer to optimizing the class is all, I understand min-maxing a rotation

[dusty zenith]

4 hour downtime wtf am I gonna do

[pliant remnant]

Go for a walk

[dusty zenith]

4 hour walk?

[normal mist]

I would then advise you, if you have the time, to read either the wowhead or the icyveins guides. I personally prefer wowhead, but both guide writers do a wonderful job @fading plinth .
If then more questions pop up, feel free to ask them here

[pliant remnant]

Sure, why not

Would do you good

[dusty zenith]

Yeah it would , winter is coming

[pliant remnant]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-nikolaj-coster-waldau-gif-4536538

[tired gull]

Who is winter?

[rich python]

all us idiots with nothin to do now server is down

[dusty zenith]

My strippers name

[rich python]

i am here i was coming

[real pike]

are europoor servers safe?

[normal mist]

Yep

[real pike]

massive

[normal mist]

We don't suffer from this

Since reset is like during the sleeping hours

[real pike]

yeah 2-3am or so

silly yanks :>

[marble hemlock]

for you maybe

[dusty zenith]

Just wait until November if you wanna see silly yanks

Shits about to be wild

[normal mist]

You mean for people with day jobs

[real pike]

servers been down for 4 mins and chat here is already going political

strap in boys

[marble hemlock]

true

dont think id ever be able to work nonflex working hours

[normal mist]

I worked as a cashier for years, doing flex working hours .. me didn't like it

[marble hemlock]

well flex to me just means

[normal mist]

Now I work 8am - 5pm

[marble hemlock]

"do 30hrs of work a week, dont care when"

[normal mist]

Oh

[fading plinth]

omg so my confusion was from reading NOT to vanish in kingsbane anymore, but we totally still do

[real pike]

9-5 working from home every day is lovely

[normal mist]

We don't vanish for kb

[real pike]

as long as I do my shit no one cares how online I am

[marble hemlock]

as long as i end up at 25-35hrs each week, im golden

[real pike]

the first KB we vanish during, every subsequent we vanish before

[fading plinth]

this is on the wowhead opener page, do we not follow this?

[normal mist]

We vanish for improved garrote

Not kb

[fading plinth]

Then vanish matches deathmark's cooldown correct? so we can reapply stealth garrotes every deathmark

[rich python]

ya 2nd vanish u hodl cds until vanish comes up, vanish garotte envenom then deathmark

[normal mist]

After opener, yes

[fading plinth]

Ok that fixes my mental gap about duplicating a stealth enhanced garrote

I read not to vanish anymore and thats what I used to duplicate a stealth enhances garrote

[real pike]

cause the first KB of the fight you'll already have an imp garotte up from your opener from stealth, so you just refresh it in pandemic using vanish

[normal mist]

Opener: vanish when 1st garrote is at around 6secs remaining;
2 minutes mark of the fight: hold CDs for vanish, then vanish-garrote-DM

[kindred nimbus]

why should i skip shiv on first burst ? 🤔

[real pike]

from then on vanish is your only way of reapplying imp garotte (rip SD)

[real pike]

if you only have one charge you should use it for the last 8 seconds of KB cause KB ramps

[normal mist]

Wdym

[iron carbon]

The funniest part is that it's written in the opener, why we vanish

[midnight atlas]

KB ramps up dmg over time, last 8 seconds are dealing more dmg than first 8.
if you have 2x shiv you cover whole of kingsbane, if not, just the last 8s

[kindred nimbus]

okay got it, the more you know, thx guys 🙏 i always used it together with DM in a macro, didnt thought it matters if first or last 8 seconds

[rich python]

now if my target dummy isnt dying would that explain me falling quite short of sim dps? raidbots is accounting for the 35% hp phase?

[normal mist]

Kinda, yes

But it's pretty rare you can match your Sims in a dummy scenario

Because you're buff less for starters

[rich python]

i have all buffs turned off etc

no pots no raidbuffs

[normal mist]

Oh

[midnight atlas]

i know some classes have issues with spells on dummies (fire mage ignite for example) i dont know if rogue has same issues

basically they scale different and deal either more or less dmg than a normal mob

[iron carbon]

Only skill issue don't worry

[rich python]

just feel like either im bricking my off cd kingsbane - missing something in filler - or that health issue, or a combination of all 3 lol

[normal mist]

If you're sure about your rotation being correct, then don't worry

[dusty zenith]

Feeling pretty bricked up myself where all the night elf females at?

[midnight atlas]

im offline at work

[slow helm]

Should i just use my energy as soon as i have it in ST, or should i pool it up for kingsbane windows?

[dusty zenith]

You dump all energy during cooldowns

[normal mist]

!pooling

[iron carbon]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rich python]

letsgoo

[normal mist]

Get rekt nerd

[iron carbon]

Wtf

[normal mist]

I was faster

[slow helm]

Okay, so pump hard during cooldown, then max uptime on envenom
garrote and rupture as well i assume

[normal mist]

@iron carbon fair enough

We both win

[rich python]

max uptime = refresh at 0.000001s if you can ?

[slow helm]

Royal wins

[normal mist]

[iron carbon]

Ffs

[slow helm]

doesn't envenom have pandemic

[iron carbon]

It does

[rich python]

ya does

[normal mist]

Better luck next time

[rich python]

i got royal first on my screen also

condolences

[iron carbon]

You deserve your green name

[normal mist]

(I don't, my pink name is prettier)

[slow helm]

So outside of cooldowns i want:
Max uptime on envenom, garotte and rupture
about 50% energy

[slow helm]

L green name

[iron carbon]

Playing desthstalker, yes

[slow helm]

why the 50% energy btw?

[iron carbon]

More envenom means more proc of dn

So more energy use

[slow helm]

and i still go under 50% with sanguine blades?

[iron carbon]

So more damages

[rich python]

surely not with sanguine

monkaS

[midnight atlas]

deathstalker doesnt play sanguine blades

or at least not now

we'll see

[normal mist]

Am I really a green name if I don't have some L's?

[slow helm]

i meant, in m+ talents for example..

[iron carbon]

In AoE, you generate a lot of energy

[slow helm]

jesus dude

in single target

[rich python]

pull trash onto boss

[slow helm]

like a boss fight during a dungeon??

[rich python]

all of it

[iron carbon]

Yes, you don't care about sanguine blades

[slow helm]

thank you

[abstract parrot]

how do you even get a green name?

[slow helm]

8 inches

[craggy dagger]

crit enchants on rings?

[midnight atlas]

in aoe you basically always have full energy,
in M+ where you go deathstalker with sanguine in a single target scenario you still don't care.

[deft ingot]

Single target with the m+ build is wildly energy starved right like

[normal mist]

Doesn't matter

Just sim

[iron carbon]

Sim

[normal mist]

Do whatever the robot says

[iron carbon]

Once again, I'm slow

[normal mist]

We're both mobile

It happens

[abstract parrot]

i wonder if someone will make like what spec is better for each boss in this raid tier

with the different damage instances and timers

[acoustic roost]

Yeah Warcraft logs 🙂

[normal mist]

That's something that will probably come later

[slow helm]

need data for that

[wide ferry]

Any good youtubers runnin sin, in fucking bored outta my mind

im*

[iron carbon]

I can guess outlaw early patch for boss without downtime

[deep sorrel]

Quick question guys, can’t sim cus not at pc but has anyone checked the difference in single target dps between the full ST tree on wowhead and the raid aoe one?

[slow helm]

yeah me

[slow helm]

at least 1%

[normal mist]

What exactly do you want to know?

[wide ferry]

shoot me the linkk

[rich python]

also interested ^

[normal mist]

In raid AoE one you're suppose do deal more... AoE damage

[slow helm]

I was very much kidding, i only stream my terrible terrible gameplay occasionally

[rich python]

rip

[deep sorrel]

I want to know if for example, queen ansarek will prefer the raid aoe build, because I think the add platforms will be parse heaven but I was wondering how much of a fall off ST will suffer

[wide ferry]

Got me half a chub smh.

[deep sorrel]

Also, are we still in coalition that two points in lethality is better than upgraded ER until deathstalker is fixed?

[iron carbon]

I see what you mean but it will depends each guild strat. For example, for Sark MM, only 3 guys were build AoE and all others dps were ST

[normal mist]

Yes

[rich python]

oh yep good

[deep sorrel]

I took a break in DF so I can’t relate to this one but I get the gist of your message

Yeah in all honesty I am turbo bored at work so I am seeing which talents will suit each boss better, but I don’t wanna push aoe talents on a “ST boss with add phases” if it will hurt me more than benefit

[iron carbon]

Just go cleave for it

[paper flower]

Is there a scenario where CB would be taken over ER?

[midnight atlas]

fatebound takes cb

[deep sorrel]

Yeah but then I am like getting best of no world xd

[acoustic roost]

Incorrect

[iron carbon]

No

[deep sorrel]

If I go aoe raid, my st on p1 might be 3% lower but surely I just make all of it up and more on the add packs

[iron carbon]

Raid AoE and ST are 1 talent different

I mean, if there's add, take spatter

[deep sorrel]

Theirs 3 different from what I can see

[rich python]

thoughts on dropping this garrotte for the point to the left?

[wide ferry]

We still waitin on embellishment tuning ya?

[midnight atlas]

bad for opener and general rotation

[rich python]

anything for some energy T_T

ic cheers

[deep sorrel]

I haven’t played the cleave build, does it play the same as ST? What are the variances like

[midnight atlas]

i swear if they gave us the 10 talent points from hero talents, and let us put them in assa tree it would've been so dope

[mystic ether]

silly question perhaps but just to clarify, does poison bomb damage double dips into caustic spatter? I guess not

[midnight atlas]

nothing double dips

[acoustic roost]

Check raid logs for Fyrakk, tindral, etc

[mystic ether]

thanks

[tired gull]

the potential 🤤

[acoustic roost]

You barely lose ST and make up for it more than enough with spatter

[royal lantern]

????

so like

all talents

whats the point of a tree then

you guys are so giga cooked

[midnight atlas]

think about it. nobody will ask what talents are best

[deep sorrel]

Nice thank you, this is what I thought

[crisp pine]

Just make 10 additional talents that are useless af

[tired gull]

you guys
bruh it's 2024, can't just generalize people like that smh my head

[deep sorrel]

I would’ve done wclogs but mobile formatting is giving me an aneurysm

[clever perch]

what are our "bis" trinkets from heroics?

ara-kara i guess?

[deep sorrel]

No one rly knows

[clever perch]

and what else

[royal lantern]

there is no bis

its fucking heroic lol

[deep sorrel]

I went egg and crystal

[iron lynx]

How’s sin rogue feeling so far?

[clever perch]

the best trinkets from heroics*

[tired gull]

Feels really good, I enjoy it a lot

[real pike]

wait really?

[royal lantern]

its the same spec it was in 10.2

nothing changed

[real pike]

so we drop resounding clarity for 2nd point in lethality until the big is fixed?

[deep sorrel]

Yes because if you try to proc DS mark on ER cp’s game sais no

[median igloo]

Probably egg and signet

[mystic ether]

did we get confirmation its indeed a bug?

[shy marten]

is meld actually the best racial? it just gives me another vanish every 2 minutes for trash packs, i feel like it's so good for my damage

[midnight atlas]

IF they fix it. yes.

[deep sorrel]

I’m not rly the guy to ask that, I just like rogue I’m not really some expert so

Don’t wanna answer wrong info

[acoustic roost]

It does not give vanish, you have to hit stealth after you press meld, and it’s hit or miss if it’ll register or not

[real pike]

yeah it feels awful lol

[royal lantern]

meld is no vanish

meld doesbt work 50% of the time

and even if it works 100% of the time it would be the same as all others

[midnight atlas]

it's good for that and useful to avoid mechanics that target you, like the dinosaur in atal dazar

[clever perch]

i though ara-kara was our bis trinket

[deep sorrel]

That is the egg

[clever perch]

oh ok xD

[deep sorrel]

The egg and signet from priory or I and some others I’ve seen use the crystal that gives secondary stat idk the name

Big blue crystal

[clever perch]

which one is the signet?

[deep sorrel]

Bro

Signet from priory

Priory the dungeon

[shy marten]

it just seems like meld feels really strong

[midnight atlas]

it is, you just need to learn how to use it for it to work 100% of the time.

[pliant remnant]

it feels like meld seems really strong

[tired gull]

feelcraft is the new meta guys

[deep sorrel]

Arcane torrent bis racial cus belf

[tired gull]

If you enjoy meld, go nelf, it's not going to make that noticable a difference in the grand scheme

[royal lantern]

it literally isnt really

[deep sorrel]

20 energy feels good

[proven jasper]

human bis race because my transmogs look good af

[royal lantern]

can we delete racials so people stol with that racial missinformation bs allready

[granite leaf]

Factual statement

[tired gull]

transmog aesthetics are the real race meta, true

[deep sorrel]

Pretty sure racial is just aesthetic at this point

[midnight atlas]

i've been playing meld since shadowlands, i never had any issue with it not working

[deep sorrel]

Unless u play PvP then it’s useful

[granite leaf]

We don't want another ToT scenario again 😄

That % beast damage slapped hard

[real pike]

the little bee ride trinket is the best by far and I won't have anyone tell me otherwise

[royal lantern]

and all the brainlets that ask about rerolls every 2min cus apperantky they can throw out 20bucks all the time can finally stay silent then? please blizzard?

[granite leaf]

Another factual statement

[deep sorrel]

Sims the best that’s for sure

[granite leaf]

My warlock friend has it because bee-is

[tired gull]

the mine cart is also a fun trinket

[acoustic roost]

Just wait until October and go dragon tbh

Squad is best racial

[median igloo]

Mechagnome was simming abnormally high last I checked. Not sure if that was updated

[tired gull]

is anyone else excited for updated t2 transmog?

[deep sorrel]

U can fly like power ranger

[shy marten]

what's the problem with trying to pick the best racial though

if people want to spend 20 bucks for a racial just let them?

[deep sorrel]

Nah low-key I like tww one

[royal lantern]

cus its a lost cause and doesnt matter

[deep sorrel]

It looks sick

[tired gull]

There's not a problem with it, but racials make such a small difference, most people just choose base off aesthetics

[acoustic roost]

There is no “best” racial just a racial that fits whatever scenario they’re trying to do

[royal lantern]

and if you need to ask about them in the first place

you are LIGHTYEARS away from playing on a level where they have even the smallest difference

[feral mason]

i mean for m+ high end dracthyr will be pretty necessary ngl

Way better than dwarf anyway

[pliant remnant]

Please keep feeding Blizzard money for race changes

[tired gull]

i typically pick velf/belf female for stealth animation

[pliant remnant]

If we're lucky, they'll even up the price

[shy marten]

hey in season 3 df meld actually seemed very op

[royal lantern]

until m+ turns into "survive 1hit kills" again and everyone copes on dwarf

[acoustic roost]

Seemed

[normal mist]

I agree and I'm biased

[feral mason]

No big bleeds afaik so should be fine

[atomic creek]

Is Dracthyr at all interesting because of the mastery racial?

[midnight atlas]

and the aoe knock

[feral mason]

unless they bring back uldaman for the funny

[royal lantern]

2,5%mastery is not much

[atomic creek]

Sure, but it's more than nothing

[dusty zenith]

Goblin bis rogue race. Change my mind. Rocket jump is very underrated

[royal lantern]

thats less then 1% crit/1%haste/1% vers

[feral mason]

I assume the mastery passive will be mastery points right

Because otherwise priests will be absurd with it

(sp)

[crisp pine]

Dracthyr is interesting cause Soar is actually cool af and you can be a rogue lizard

[spice surge]

Ye should be, just like skyfury

[proven jasper]

🤝

[deep sorrel]

So ugly though, the dragons look dopey in any Armor whatsoever

[pliant remnant]

That last point is a reason not to go Dracthyr

[feral mason]

7% dps racial would be a lil nutty

[atomic creek]

2.5% mastery implies 2.5% extra based on what gear gives right? In that case, your racial gives an extra ring enchant

[spice surge]

Well its not 7% dps

But ye 2.5 mastery points is way more than stuff like belf that gets the equivalent of 1 (but for crit)

[feral mason]

yy i meant if it was baseline %

[spice surge]

Most of skufurys value to us is in the windfury effect

[feral mason]

sp mastery % converts to like 2.5x% damage

[spice surge]

Without that its about as good as motw

[feral mason]

but costs a shitton

Im just glad shaman is somewhat fun again + wft got moved off of enhance, buff was literally nowhere to be found last 2 xpacs

[paper flower]

tauren rogue.

[feral mason]

Nobody played enhance outside of ce guilds nearly

[spice surge]

Also not sure where the 2.5% comes from now that ive looked it up, its 1.5%

[feral mason]

oh lmao

is the % changing at all if you go aug? then it’d be coded as points for sure

[spice surge]

Its one mastery point

Which makes way more sense

[slow helm]

is it with running echoing reprimand at all as deathstalker with that annoying ass bug?

[tired gull]

Yes

[real pike]

my understanding is you run ER but not the improved (resounding clarity) and instead put a second point in lethality

which I just learnt 10 minutes ago

[plain onyx]

hey guys, is there anything im missing for my char? been spamming heroics and kinda nothing decent is dropping that might higher up my ilvl

[deep sorrel]

Maybe some heroic weapons would be a good start

[real pike]

you appear to be missing a comedy title. please rectify immediately

[tired gull]

definitely need some daggers

[proven jasper]

def some daggers you can upgrade yeah

[midnight atlas]

1 dagger in mainhand is enough, get it from hc and upgrade it to max

its 593

[real pike]

where are ilvl 600 pieces coming from?

[deep sorrel]

Rep

[tired gull]

renown

[midnight atlas]

renown vendors and upgraded

[real pike]

ooo I see

I am not a renown person

[deep sorrel]

But idk how ppl are 590 ilvl without crafting spark items

I have 2 606 pieces and 7 crafted 590’s

[iron carbon]

Craft 590 all items

[real pike]

cheesing upgrades with non-spark crafts I guess?

[deep sorrel]

Trinket at 593 and I’m 588

[hollow stone]

renown ranks give crests is the TLDR

crafted gear is OP

[deep sorrel]

I’m rank 13 with almost every faction

[real pike]

that don't count towards cap right

[deep sorrel]

Did contracts & everything :d

[hollow stone]

then you can be 590+

[deep sorrel]

Well it’s physically not possible I’m out of crests etc

Like I said trink is 593, 2 pieces of 606 and 7 crafted 590 pieces, rest is 580

[bitter saddle]

what item should we get crafted?

[hollow stone]

you get rep gear to 606 with carved crests
you craft every slot you can with weathered crests
you upgrade the remaining like 4 slots or w/e it is to 580 with valor

boom, 590+

[deep sorrel]

If I wear the shit neck from hallowfall I’m 589 but not worth

[real pike]

whatever you have worst of or bracers/shoes, depending who you ask

[midnight atlas]

you guys ready to farm zul farak timewalking for this huge nature damage dagger which is going to be BIS in offhand?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=9467/gahzrilla-fang

[deep sorrel]

Ye maybe if I didn’t upgrade sac to 593 I could’ve done it tbf

That was like 60 emblems

[hollow stone]

yes, this was the mistake (not sure it's actually a mistake)

[deep sorrel]

But that’s like 7ilvl difference, Dk if that would’ve pushed it

[hollow stone]

just from ilvl perspective

[deep sorrel]

Idk top gear said the upgraded trinket was outperforming two crafted items so

Just went w it

[hollow stone]

yee, that's why I said it might not actually be a "mistake" but that's the ilvl question answered

[pliant remnant]

[hollow stone]

1x 593 (up from 580) =/= 2x 590 (up from 580)

[deep sorrel]

Ofc yea it’s 7ilvl higher to craft

[hollow stone]

just ilvl, again, not actual power

[deep sorrel]

Ur trinket goes back to 580 so -13 but +20 from 580-590*2

[hollow stone]

yea

which is like .5 avg ilvl give or take

[median igloo]

593 mh and trinkets, no regrets

[deep sorrel]

I think best would actually take another item from 584 to 606

[slow helm]

raid st build simming 6% less than the raid aoe build xd

[deep sorrel]

Like rep gear I mean, but the other two options perform awfully on sim, shoulders and neck that is

[hollow stone]

yea, you can do 3x rep items to 606

if you commit to it

[deep sorrel]

Yeah just like I said, the 584 shoulders r actually marginally worse than the best hc counterpart

And that tinderbox is fkn abysmal

[hollow stone]

would be helm/shoulders/chest to 606

[deep sorrel]

Yea, helmet is p good actually, was my first 606

Followed by chest

[onyx linden]

Uses too many carved crests which can upgrade drops from next week though

[deep sorrel]

Upgrade carries over anyway

And those crests are only to 606

[hollow stone]

carved crests are mostly throw-away, but you could run into a situation where you would have rather spent them on items next week

you're right, but you're not as right as you think you are (I think :p)

[deep sorrel]

Also, you can earn 360 total crests next week

That’s 8 pieces of gear fully upgraded

[onyx linden]

Hm yeah maybe it doesn't matter that much

[deep sorrel]

To 606, everything after is the next tier I think

[hollow stone]

gear from t8 delves will only cost 1 uppy too (15 crests)

603 to 606

[onyx linden]

I've been waiting, but I dunno

[midnight atlas]

isnt there a cap ? or is the cap 360?

[deep sorrel]

The cap will be 360 yeah

[onyx linden]

Yeah if you get a delve drop on something you already upgraded

That sucks

[midnight atlas]

nice

[onyx linden]

Wasted at that point

[hollow stone]

at most, in that situation, you wasted 45 crests

and at most, that's 3 slots

so 135 wasted crests in the worst case scenario

not too bad

[zenith prairie]

Are we going to be able to spam bountiful delves next week or it capped daily

[onyx linden]

Daily I think

[hollow stone]

you can do 4/day, and as many /week as you have keys for

so 12-15 depending on how many EA keys you got and if you've gotten 4/week

[zenith prairie]

Can we do the same one 4 times? Or is it once per the delve

[hollow stone]

once per delve

[zenith prairie]

Thanks

[hollow stone]

thats why you can only do 4 per day

the bountiful chests are once per day, 4 active bountiful delves per day, resets daily

so 4 per day

[gleaming geyser]

Glide is better than rocket jump - without even mentioning double knocks

[strange python]

Is it worth to use the keys? Or just hold them

[gleaming geyser]

Personally I'm going dracthyr because they have sick hair options

the real endgame

[iron carbon]

Stealth moving animation is the best

[hollow stone]

you want to use your keys on t8 delves because they can drop 603ilvl champ track gear -- will be available next reset

[deep sorrel]

I think it’s actually only 30 wasted crests on delve gear if I’m not mistaken?

Because it should take it to 606

And 584-603 is 30

[onyx linden]

No that's 3 upgrades

[deep sorrel]

It costs 45 to go from 584-606 though

[hollow stone]

uhh, you might be right, that would make the worst case even better :p

[onyx linden]

Really? Ah damn

[deep sorrel]

Oh, it’s because 584-597 is shit crest

[hollow stone]

ahh, there we go

[deep sorrel]

Or maybe even to 590 idfk anymore

[hollow stone]

REGARDLESS, worst case scenario isn't too bad regarding just sending your carved crests

[deep sorrel]

Yeah like I said, you’ll still be able to earn 360 total which is 8 pieces maxed

[onyx linden]

Ah. I used all my weathered shit on crafts anyway so I don't think I can't even burn my carved anyway

Guess I'm waiting

[hollow stone]

that's not a bad thing either

[deep sorrel]

I mean I think this is good also^

[hollow stone]

yea

[onyx linden]

Yeah

[deep sorrel]

But I have crafted 5+ pieces for 4 alts

Pre season isn’t even over yet and I’m down 350k lmfao

[hollow stone]

dolla dolla bills

[iron valve]

p2w game fr

[deep sorrel]

Eh it’ll all be irrelevant soon anyway

I just do it cus it’s a game and it’s here for fun regardless so

[normal mist]

Should I be waiting for you in #transmog then?

[deep sorrel]

Feel like ppl treat wow good sometimes like real money

[heavy roost]

anyone know if sinis outperfroming sub in single target?

[gleaming geyser]

I'll make sure to use a full set

[iron valve]

but they don't show transmogs 90% of the time 😭

[deep sorrel]

Ye will probably depend on fight timer though

[normal mist]

Nothing I haven't seen

[gleaming geyser]

Non-evokers have access to visage form 100% of the time, dont ever have to swap

[iron valve]

oh really?

[normal mist]

Classes besides evoker will be able to stay in human form

[deep sorrel]

Waiiitt that’s gas

I might actually become a dragon

Except the non dragon kind

[chrome rivet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[deep sorrel]

Cus customisation on those is 10/10

[normal mist]

Also, the racial abilities do not turn you into a dragon

[haughty flicker]

mfw the only way to make people play the dragon race is to let them not be a dragon

[gleaming geyser]

it does some lil wind effect

[normal mist]

And instead summon wings in your back

[haughty flicker]

blizz really hit the mark with dracthyr huh

[deep sorrel]

The drake is so ugly

[chrome rivet]

Is an embellished dagger with ascension still outperforming ?

[deep sorrel]

I have some baddie hiding under the dragon form and I’m forced to be some 6’6 behemoth

[normal mist]

Most likely broken but yes

[onyx linden]

What's so good about ascension? Just more stats than everything else?

[chrome rivet]

I understand that it’s not worth doing right now because blizzard could gut it; would you recommend crafting the two rune branded pieces next week with crests?

[royal lantern]

tbf, for the average wow player, everything beyond male human/female blood elf is allready so exotic that they get a stroke

dont show them food that is not white bread

[deep sorrel]

U kind of answered ur own question

[normal mist]

I would personally advise on saving those crafts for after mythic raid week

[chrome rivet]

I’m assuming that’s best for longevity but I’m saving in case they don’t change it yk?

[normal mist]

To give them time to get fixed

[chrome rivet]

Right fair

[normal mist]

Or whatnot

[spice surge]

Just for reference, the ascension embellishments is worth ~0.6% and the others are worth ~0.4% and the effects dont scale with ilvl

[normal mist]

But I believe going wrist/belt/boots + crit emb isn't a bad choice either

[spice surge]

So its not a big deal in the slightest

[median igloo]

What I did is craft my 590 pieces with ascension and patch, and wait with my sparks

[chrome rivet]

Oh that’s minor I thought it was gonna be worse than that

[chrome rivet]

Yeah that’s fair how much did it cost?

[cursive kestrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[median igloo]

20kish iirc

[chrome rivet]

Oh not bad

[hollow stone]

10k/craft is a pretty safe bet atm for the 590 gear

including everything

[spice surge]

Ye for some reason all embellishments suck ass

[chrome rivet]

Gotcha

[spice surge]

As do tier sets, enchants and gems generally

[hollow stone]

embels are scaling with player level not ilvl or something like that

[chrome rivet]

That makes sense S1

[haughty flicker]

#noborrowedpower

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen a Rank3 whetstone for 6k gold a piece and 1hour duration (aka you would pay ~12k for 1hour of whetstones) and the pickpocket Wax is ~0,5%

[hollow stone]

so they will become even weaker as we gain ilvl

[royal lantern]

prof stuff is SO weird rn, in all regards

[hollow stone]

comparatively weaker*

[spice surge]

Ye but i cant imagine thats intentional

[royal lantern]

for paladin, the DF mastery runes are better then every single TWW weapon oil/stone lol

[normal mist]

You decided on what to craft regardless or are you hoping for changes?

[hollow stone]

I would think so too but, idk

[royal lantern]

cus like

TWW oil gives 150haste/crit

DF rune is 400 mastery

LET IT MAKE SENSE

[iron carbon]

Even after the mastery nerf?

[deep wave]

what does "prio" mean

[haughty flicker]

mastery still top prio easily

[royal lantern]

the mastery nerf just made sure that mastery isnt better then strenght lol

[deep wave]

but what does it refer to

[hollow stone]

priority

[deep wave]

zz

[normal mist]

In what context?

[spice surge]

Nah waiting until something happens

[iron carbon]

Didn't know that oil was giving so low stats

[deep wave]

i was watching a tier list and the dude said that enhancement shaman is good even without prio

[normal mist]

🤝

[normal mist]

In that case I've no idea

[deep wave]

bruhh

he was talking about m+ if it helps

[iron carbon]

Sham is good for pack even he does not priority target damages as rogue

[spice surge]

Priority damage usually means doing ST damage while doing aoe

[hollow stone]

he means that enh is historically a funnel/prio spec, and they are still good now even with that lessened

[deep wave]

tyyy

[spice spire]

Are we about to use the forbidden word

[deep wave]

me personally

[spice surge]

Like if a pack has a big mob that has 2x the health of all the smallies

[spice spire]

Yeah we did :^)

[normal mist]

Maybe as in "enhanc is good even if there are other classes that are better?"

[iron carbon]

@normal mist Slacker

[deep wave]

doesnt matter if i play a class with or without priority

[spice spire]

F*nnel

[deep wave]

because i cant fucking aim

[spice surge]

Classes like enhance and assa does more damage to the big guy while doing their aoe

[hollow stone]

FUNNNNNNNEL

[normal mist]

[deep wave]

i wish there was a "target big HP guy" button

[tired gull]

Butt chugging with a funnel

[spice surge]

Than some classes that only use aoe abilities

[iron carbon]

Ret for exemple

[grim jay]

royal certified ring hater

[normal mist]

I'm not 😦

[royal lantern]

its not the oil

Its literally everything

like, the difference bettwen rin enchants is almost 0 aswell

[iron carbon]

Didn't pay attention to consumables yet

[spice surge]

Theyre about doubled

[shy pecan]

I’ll funnel you

[spice surge]

Which means that theyre about the same relative power level as they were in fated s4 of dragonflight

But we are at the start of the expac, so theyre gonna get significantly worse as time goes on

The pot is very very good though

[spice spire]

How about you funnel dn

[royal lantern]

uhm, but you cant, because the FuNnEl talent needs a mark and having DN active means no mark is up

🤓

[spice surge]

What if i have a meatgrinder at the end of the funnel?

[spice spire]

I’m ready for it eleem

[shy pecan]

Umm...

[spice surge]

[grim jay]

one might say thats right in quakes ballpark

[crimson crest]

once m+ comes out, and packs can actually survive your cds assassination will be even stronger than now right?

[spice spire]

Uhm sweaty launching a full cp envenom into a mob that can caustic is funnel

[royal lantern]

thats no full thats cleave

🤓

what if i cleave DN into you?

[grim jay]

[shy pecan]

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

Can’t cleave, envenom hits a single target silly

And how else are you going to proc darkest night

[shy pecan]

Not when you spatter everything

[royal lantern]

this guy gets it

[spice spire]

I’m about to spatter you like Jackson pollock

[shy pecan]

[grim jay]

9/10 people had to google the name

[tired gull]

Surely not that many

[sweet forge]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-3613510

[grim jay]

I'd be surprised if more than 1/10 cared for art

or was he that prominent in memes?

[tired gull]

That’s fair

[grim jay]

he might be more famous in america potentially ig

I personally only know his name bcs of a climate activist meme

[tired gull]

Do we have a current estimate of add uptime requirements to swap to spatter in raid

[deep sorrel]

Idk but what I can say is that I think caustic spatter for last boss

Bcs that’s the only one I watched 🤣

[royal lantern]

spatter is your basic choice

you only take IB if there is literally only 1 enemy trought out the entire fight

[tired gull]

Word

[nocturne quail]

extended maintenance means theyre fixing bugs right ?

[normal mist]

Suuuuure

[haughty flicker]

can confirm

my uncle works at blizzard and is fixing bugs at this moment

[royal lantern]

imagine having bugs

i just dont let them happen

[iron carbon]

Just the intern broke something

They need to make him repair

Half of the game is already coded by interns

But can't blame, it's a little independent game studio

[royal lantern]

and whats your coding experience

before you keep talking big

[spice spire]

I’d ask you the same mister tryan

[iron carbon]

Half of my daily job I guess

[spice spire]

But the little bit I do know about you

Means that I believe you’ve coded half of Yermany

[royal lantern]

yes

fuu was the other half

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

and cev the last half

[spice spire]

Where does seli come into this

Wait why Cev

[royal lantern]

because cev is smort

[spice spire]

True

[shy pecan]

What do you do for work?

[iron carbon]

IT Departement for a Medical Lab

[grim jay]

we dont want austrians coding yermany, big nono still

[iron carbon]

Mainly debugging and support

[rotund oak]

thats by definition an asexual situation bruh 😅

[narrow heart]

how is echoing rep bug still in game

[iron carbon]

Wich one?

[shy pecan]

[normal mist]

Deathstalker interactions

[narrow heart]

[iron carbon]

I mean yo ugot the Deathstalker one

And the CT one

[subtle tundra]

would be if i had the same opinion on women

[narrow heart]

its prob just me, but I feel like if even just the ER not working with deathstalker bug was fixed the spec would flow so well

[subtle tundra]

or you mean something else

[narrow heart]

so much so i could overlook the others

[iron carbon]

It would

[rotund oak]

ahahahahahahahha

[subtle tundra]

as long as there are situations where you can lose the mark, it will never feel good to me

[shy pecan]

So yeah, probably not close to the same degree and complexity as blizzard’s 20 year old code

[iron carbon]

Didn't say it was, but I'm still debugging shit that were code 7 yeas ago

And it was more a joke than bashing

[cerulean burrow]

so is assa really good in M+ right now ? or something ?

[subtle tundra]

is m+ available

[shy pecan]

Beta

[narrow heart]

sub feels a little stronger

[torn sierra]

broooo

[subtle tundra]

not for me

dont have it

[cerulean burrow]

is assa theorised to be very good when mythic + comes out ?

sorry

[narrow heart]

for higher keys I believe

[vestal wren]

i like it

[narrow heart]

sub burst clears packs nearly on its own in lower keys, but then theres fury warrior

[torn sierra]

@cerulean burrow take it with a grain of salt, but from everything i've seen and heard, ass. rogue is going to be really good for m+

[cerulean burrow]

hmm ok

[narrow heart]

nothing is concrete still too, keep in mind. Prob some tuning coming soon

[cerulean burrow]

im playing outlaw right now and just swapped to assa

thankfully i can play all three specs but

just figuring out what i wanna play hahaha

[iron carbon]

The one you prefer?

[cerulean burrow]

uhm well I like all of them the same

so thats why its hard haha

[iron carbon]

Follow me tho, I decided to play a spec by season

[vestal wren]

outlaw is atm seemingly best overall

but this also means you need to play outlaw

for raid, hard to say

[cerulean burrow]

i love outlaw lol

[vestal wren]

lets talk when mythic opens

[cerulean burrow]

i just tried the HO single target build feels smooth

[vestal wren]

it plays like df

no?

[deep sorrel]

Buuuut if u had to pick one

[cerulean burrow]

i think ? i didnt play much in df

[iron carbon]

Yes

More or less, same shit

[nova aspen]

just like df, just now u need to be up the mob's ass

[iron carbon]

Haste tax and short arms

That's the difference

[cerulean burrow]

oh no acrobatic strrikes?

[iron carbon]

Check talents

It was changed

[undone flame]

is it okay to ask about the tier set

[cerulean burrow]

oh snap

[swift dagger]

The damage difference has to be significant to make me want to play a t-rex Outlaw

[cerulean burrow]

LMAO

[swift dagger]

considering how blade flurry works

[iron carbon]

Yep, outlaw is good by damage but QoL is awful

[cerulean burrow]

QoL?

[iron carbon]

Quality of Life

[cerulean burrow]

ohhh

[normal mist]

Did you play DF S1? It's the same thing

[short fox]

anyone knows where are spawning the green orbs where you crest from

[iron carbon]

And you can't play trickster without dying

[arctic socket]

With the dragon race being able to be other classes now, how good is the mastery racial for rogue?

[undone flame]

i played enh back then

[arctic socket]

Ik races don’t impact dps too much but how close / ahead of other races is it

[normal mist]

What racial

[normal mist]

Does not impact gameplay, minor DPS increase

[chrome blaze]

Im new to rogue, interested in mostly assassination, why is it keep being listed as S tier m+ on everything i see, but Outlaw sims like 15%+ higher, whats so insane about Assassination?

[normal mist]

We don't use tier lists on this chat

They don't matter

[vivid crown]

sims have 0 downtime

step away from a target and how much damage does outlaw do

[chrome blaze]

ahhh nice

[tired gull]

Shoot your gun!!!

[normal mist]

XD

[vivid crown]

also if you can spin that many plates at once, good for you

[subtle tundra]

literally not the reason outlaw needs uptime more than assa

[jolly heath]

Imagine all the flying rp in dungeon, it’s gonna be good for outlaw

[vivid crown]

gl LOL

[subtle tundra]

look into CD reductions

[chrome blaze]

was gonna play Assassination anyways but was just curious why, sims are nice but only for 25% of the whole picture i guess

thanks

[normal mist]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[normal mist]

@chrome blaze read above

[chrome blaze]

Yeha i get caught in the sim/tier list trap too often

[vivid crown]

homie it's all the same

[tired gull]

Play whatever spec you like the most, if you’re not pushing for world first, it truly doesn’t matter

[subtle tundra]

homie dont care

[chrome blaze]

❤️ all wholesome, rogue discord is the best, f the meta

[vivid crown]

your CD reduction comes from...

[vestal wren]

😓 both logs and m+ leaderboard sare empty

[arctic socket]

Tail swoop n shit

[vivid crown]

ok i'll just say it

[small wagon]

one more RtB and ill be fine, i swear

[chrome blaze]

no one cares that you broke your arm

[small wagon]

i can quit whenever okay!

[vivid crown]

actually nm. if you're going to argue over rEsTlEsS bLaDeS and say it's not related to doing damage then we're never going anywhere 😆

[subtle tundra]

wow you realised arguing semantics with a random is pointless

nice

gg

[vivid crown]

pot

kettle

anyway

[smoky sonnet]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chrome blaze]

sheet is the one youre looking for!

[smoky sonnet]

Thanks 🙂

[distant halo]

Anyone got death stalker m+ talents without the bugged ER please

[vivid crown]

just lose last ER talent and put it in lethality

[iron carbon]

Remove the second point after ER and put a second point in lethality

[distant halo]

Oh it’s legit the last talent? Thankyou

I saw people saying we don’t take sanguine blades in the death stalker m+ anymore either but the build still has it in no?

[nova aspen]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[iron carbon]

I guess it's a math thing. You're supposed to generate a lot of energy in AoE so Sanguine blades got value

And lose it in ST.
So, will another bring more?

[subtle salmon]

im kinda confused , what is the AoE rotation guys?

[iron carbon]

Same as ST

But u spread rupture and garrote

[distant halo]

Does anyone have the alt talents without the blades please?

[subtle salmon]

i dont spam FoK?

[iron carbon]

And maintain CT

[iron carbon]

Yes, ofc

[grim jay]

!guide

[iron carbon]

You build with FoK

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle salmon]

i replace FoK with Multi?

[distant halo]

You use fan on 3 or more targets to gen combo points, you only mutilate a ruptured target to keep splatter on them

[subtle salmon]

So i dont spam multilate to build

[clever perch]

what the hell is "Signet" Trinket i can't find it

[iron carbon]

Read guides

You'll know everything about rotation

But DieQuietly explained the builder part very well

[distant halo]

All of those DS m+ builds are taking blades aren’t they?

[iron carbon]

And you spend on Rupture for 5 target, maintain CT and Envenom the target that got caustic spatter

[grim jay]

if you talk about sanguine then yes

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=219308/signet-of-the-priory

[grim jay]

because there is none without

if you mean dragon tempered

then no

[grim jay]

how did you not find it tho

[subtle salmon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
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[distant halo]

No I mean sanguine blades. I saw people talking about not taking it anymore, I was looking for the build

[grim jay]

yeah in ST

[distant halo]

Ohh

Makes sense

[clever perch]

game in spanish i guess xD

[distant halo]

Ty

[sinful fable]

When we only run 1 shiv charge, its still beneficial to use it between DM and Kingsbane and not try to use it after KB has gone a few seconds to maybe shiv the last 8 seconds instead? or too much work?

or maybe I'm missing something and I'm a dumdum

[iron carbon]

Last 8 seconds

[grim jay]

you definitely missed that part in the guide

it says to basically use it on cd (which just so happens to be 1 usage between the KBs) and in the last 8s of your KB

[smoky sonnet]

Is there a general consensus about what items you should get from the heroic dungeons? I know that the gear will become obsolete fast, but I am still quite curious about it

[grim jay]

no

[sacred condor]

as an old casual player who hasnt played assa in a decade, how punishing is fudging up the rotation? brain starts to spin tracking dots in aoe

[balmy dome]

what's everyone plan for playing sin vs sub in raid this coming week?

[grim jay]

hard to say, depends on what you fuck up

[tired gull]

Sin for life

[distant halo]

The haste trinket from the spider dungeon (arak something) is easy to farm and bis for ST atm

[sacred condor]

my smoothbrain fury eff-ups dont seem to matter much. but i miss my rogue

[nocturne quail]

it sims lower than a couple others for me

[smoky sonnet]

But is that it? Is literally everything else just according to the general stat priority and ilvl?

[nocturne quail]

you could run droptimizer

[distant halo]

Mine is at 580 for ST it’s my best option with my setup

[smoky sonnet]

I am, but it doesn't satisfy my curiosity

[sinful fable]

@grim jay it seems like the picture beneath the opener / rotation part "visualized" has a text next to the first shiv icon that says to skip if you dont have 2 charges, but the text doesnt say

[smoky sonnet]

so I was wondering if other people had this figured out

[distant halo]

Some of the on use trinkets and stat increases are very good, I just prefer passive

[nocturne quail]

yeah i mean i think its supposed to be bis, and whispyr said as much in the guide

[nocturne quail]

i mean whatever droptimizer says is bis, is bis

you could craft all 590 tho

[smoky sonnet]

Aight, fair enough. Thanks for the input

[still steppe]

why is sin so bad in ST

[grim jay]

that text does

[torn sierra]

holy shit that's a lot of buttons

[tired gull]

I love a 20+ button opener

[real pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
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[grim jay]

its not 20+ buttons

its 20+ actions

[tired gull]

Pressing buttons 20+ times means 20+ buttons, I didn’t say 20+ unique abilities

[craggy cove]

What do the green dots next to abilities mean

[real pike]

guys I fucked about with the snd buff in whispyr's wa but I don't want to redownload and lose all my other changes - is it possible to import only the snd aura?

[grim jay]

then its 20 button presses

[wide ferry]

For when DM comes back off CD, is it beneficial to DM > vanish garrote for the imp garrote before we kingsbane or save Vanish/Gar for the last 3 seconds. I see "save imp garrote for deathsmark

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

everything is in the wowhead guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[distant halo]

Import in on a fresh character then just export the child

[grim jay]

you delay dm for vanish

[real pike]

you wait for vanish to come up then vanish > imp garotte > DM

[real pike]

this guy brains

[radiant otter]

you can import the entire thing as a copy (it'll all be named like "whispyr 2" "snd 2" or whatever) and then just individually move or copy the fresh snd wa

[wide ferry]

Ok so before our cd rotation when everything comes back off cd, Vanish first, then garrote, then go into our dm/kB rotation

Shit i was prob losing a good amount of dps not doin that 🤮

[cursive kestrel]

Hi guys, I havent played for a few months, and I saw that rogue assa seems to be very strong in this patch, Im between assa and warrior arms, assa is way above warrior arms, or wouldnt it be such a big difference?

[normal mist]

Sorry for the late reply, read the following command:

[real pike]

yeah so it means your second DM comes like 2 min 10 after the first

[normal mist]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[desert cove]

oh wait he actually made the bis command, my goat

hold on, did he make best?

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[desert cove]

LET'S GO

[normal mist]

I'm so thankful to whispyr for creating all these commands

[fair stirrup]

it also sims lower than edict + priory trinket for me

[raw cobalt]

Do we have a set embelishment yet? do we think ist gonna tune alot more?

[desert cove]

no, tuning could happen

[calm tree]

Hi everyone, someone will surely have asked a similar question, I wanted to hear some opinions on which craft you will do first, my idea was weapon with embellishment that increases the highest secondary stat, your opinions?

[desert cove]

do not craft until mythic week (as in mythic raid and m+)

[gray hazel]

Ill prob just do double crit above 80%

[raw cobalt]

looks like it rn but im not gonna risk it

[gray hazel]

yeah same here

im waiting 100%

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[vocal minnow]

dont be scared of the future, live in the moment, be a chad and craft everything RIGHT NOW

[normal mist]

@calm tree @raw cobalt check above

[desert cove]

WHISPYR COMMAND FROM THE TOP ROPE

my goat, my king

[distant halo]

Dumb question. Can we get into stealth mid combat with meld anymore?

[desert cove]

no

[grand cedar]

Just to be sure, this is whisp plater? https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[calm tree]

Thanks brother

[distant halo]

Ty

[normal mist]

yes

[smoky sonnet]

@Royal thanks for the reply!
I mean, yeah, I was aware of this, but I still was curious if there was a consensus or not. I don't know if I will be playing more then a few weeks, so having the "best gear" was just a way for me to have fun in the meantime

[runic hinge]

against trash you can, not against bosses tho

[desert cove]

yeah I really like using whispyr's plater profile with lisonna's WA package

[normal mist]

Thats the "issue", we don't know

[smoky sonnet]

Yep – but it doesn't hurt to ask!

[normal mist]

Oh yeah im not complaining

but i really can't give you a straight answer because tomorrow or in a week anything can change

[smoky sonnet]

Yeah, thank you

[normal mist]

so we are just in a big waiting room full of homies

[desert cove]

I just want it to be tuesday already Q_Q

I want to raid

so bad

[raw cobalt]

anyone have a good poison reminder wa?

[distant halo]

With all the magic in the world, rogues still haven’t found a way to make poison last for longer than 1 hour 😭

[acoustic roost]

Yeah when you have no energy 🙂

[raw cobalt]

thats when i notis i might not have any poisons on xD

[tired gull]

Remember when poisons had charges and you had to reapply mid fight

[desert cove]

lisonna's wa package has a poison reminder

[raw cobalt]

i dont wanna be in that position mid m+ or raid

[acoustic roost]

Whispyrs WA has a poison reminder sort of, gray box icon when they are missing, no real bouncing text or anything’s but you could probably add to that

[distant halo]

I need a poison reminder that glows BEFORE the poisons are gone

Can any smart people make something like that

[raw cobalt]

ill make one now. just give me a week or two

[tired gull]

It would just trigger when time remaining is < some threshold

[distant halo]

THIS GUY

[shy pecan]

Just add another trigger to show if the poison duration is less than X and Check any trigger

[acoustic roost]

But also, isn’t it habit during the ready check to make sure food buff, flasks, augment, poisons, are up and good to go?

[ornate dawn]

You mean you don’t apply new poisons every pull for the immersion?

[distant halo]

Yeah but it’s also habit to be human

[cobalt sphinx]

When you mutilate and don't get spatter

[distant halo]

If you know how to do it maybe you could upload for everyone? 🙂

[fair stirrup]

how are people feeling about DS in M+? i'm feeling a bit a bit of analysis paralysis in that i need to pick my first kill target before i open, and that target might be not reasonable to DPS for a while due to swirlies/mechanics etc. have been thinking about rolling FB for that reason, even tho DS is a DPS boost. do we just deal w/ "we'll get to the marked target eventually" and go ham on whatever target we can hit?

[shy pecan]

It’s in my package.

Just look up inphamous on wago.

[distant halo]

Will do ty

[desert cove]

if DS is a struggle for you just play FB

it's less than 5% dps diff

[acoustic roost]

If you have a good plater profile you can get a sense of the priority mob, and with more experience you’ll know what you want to be whacking

[distant halo]

Is it the alerts one?

[lime crypt]

guys.. my guild wants me to be 590 by wednesday.. what should i do x-x

[onyx linden]

Yeah plater profile helps a lot

[shy pecan]

I dunno. Just look in there. I’m not at my computer.

[desert cove]

get to 590

it's not that hard

[acoustic roost]

You’ll especially figure it out when you know the giga hp mob you send your kingsbanes on

[shy pecan]

It should be the rogue package.

[desert cove]

you just need to spend your carved crests

[fair stirrup]

started trying to get used to whispy'r plater, definitely an adjustment to get used to compared to my current workflow

[lime crypt]

on what tho

[desert cove]

veteran gear pieces from rep

[acoustic roost]

Spend your bountiful keys for 603 gear

[onyx linden]

By Wednesday you'll have 2 days of delves

[desert cove]

oh wait that's right

[onyx linden]

590 would be easy

[desert cove]

next wednesday you'll have access to tier 8 delves

[fair stirrup]

i play at a decently high M+ level so i know what targets i'm prio-ing nearly always as the season goes on, maybe i'm just letting the nonsense experience of heroics sway my decision-making confidence

[distant halo]

That rogue package from 2022 has it?

[lime crypt]

isnt that delve gonna be hard tho

[raw cobalt]

https://wago.io/l84_MsmcL

[acoustic roost]

Recommend ilvl is 590 for a +8, 545 for a +3 so take it as you will

But you could always you know, group up with a tank and healer

[onyx linden]

Yeah if you group it should be a joke I assume

[fair stirrup]

yea i think i need to put more effort into getting comfortable w/ plater profiles

[desert cove]

I personally really like whispyr's b/c it changes the color of the mob's health bar to purple

he's also my goat so that helps too

[frigid copper]

Hi. Is there a video/guide that you all would recommend as a crash course to sin rogue? New to melee dps, have only been playing casters in the past lol

[distant halo]

Ty! So the poison tracker will actually let us know beforehand? That’s awesome ty

[acoustic roost]

Whispyrs is good, he uses quazii color scheme and it even has size adjustments for prio targets as well

[desert cove]

oh I didn't know about that, that's really nice

[fair stirrup]

that's what i started with, it just felt super weird to be tracking debuffs at top of screen

[hardy venture]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[desert cove]

I just ignore those and watch my WA instead

[distant halo]

YOU SAID WEEKS

[desert cove]

all I need to see is if a mob is ruptured

which they have a yellow outline if they are ruptured

[raw cobalt]

lol. this will remind u 3 min before it goes out

[fair stirrup]

this is the answer i need to get used to. i use my own super basic WA's for bleeds + CD tracking, and just need to continue w/ that

[distant halo]

You are the real MVP

[royal lantern]

what wr is your guild

[fair stirrup]

ty i appreciate the tips. gonna give the platers another go

[frigid copper]

Full crafted gear

[onyx linden]

Yeah the debuffs on nameplates is you can glance to see who still needs ruptures after your stealth spread if mobs last that long. In heroics it never matters

[desert cove]

unnecessary as wednesday is after tuesday

which means tier 8 delves and m0s

[distant halo]

Are the prices insane for the crafted gear?

[desert cove]

[frigid copper]

You right

[desert cove]

probably

[hardy venture]

Dumb Question: You all spending Sparks yet?

[desert cove]

don't craft tho

[desert cove]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[acoustic roost]

Not for that guys guild apparently 🤣

[raven egret]

Hell no

[hardy venture]

Word. I thought so

[fair stirrup]

yea idc about heroics, i'm thinking of gearing up for 12+ keys and wanting to be playing optimally as the season starts

[frigid copper]

I think people were charging like 500-2k on mine to craft iirc

[real pike]

personally I like Ceverion's, it's basically Whispyr's but with some more noob useful stuff like priority mobs, inturrupt mobs, etc.

[desert cove]

yeah like by the second day I'm probably gonna be over 600 ilvl lol, gonna be shooting for at least 610

[kind gorge]

is there any specific passive trinket which is bis for m+ ?
Thank you

[desert cove]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[distant halo]

!spark

[ornate dawn]

I use cevs too not sure when it was last updated tho

[real pike]

but he hasn't updated for TWW yet so I'm currently trying to work out how to copy whispyr's DsM purple plate over

[fair stirrup]

did you 593 your MH dagger?

[desert cove]

yep

[real pike]

yeah 10.2

[desert cove]

and crafted a 590 dagger

[frigid copper]

Can you only have 1 of the crafted rings or 2?

[ornate dawn]

2

[frigid copper]

O

[fair stirrup]

cool. i've just been sittin on a buncha crests w/ like 4-5 crafted pieces waiting to upgrade it

[onyx linden]

Egg and empowering thing from dawnbreaker both strong

[fair stirrup]

i want feverflare but gonna roll w/ peerless since its what i've got

[hardy venture]

I am dumb so question...it says craft 590 slots? Don't those need Sparks?

[lime crypt]

i mean i work till 4 pm and raid at 8

[ornate dawn]

Nope

[lime crypt]

so i have 4 hours to get 16 instances

thats gonna be stressful

[hardy venture]

The FUCK!!!! I have been missing out

[desert cove]

nope

you need 9

grab a tank friend

grind through to tier 8 (tank just pulls all the way to the end)

then do your four bountifuls

[real pike]

anyone crafted today and have a rough idea of overall cost?

[hardy venture]

Can I get an example item name so I can look it up? I had no idea