assassination

[lucid rune]

Based on early impressions, has sin lost its ‘fat ST’ reputation a bit?

[midnight atlas]

nah

[subtle tundra]

considering it sims pretty shit in st rn, and in df it didnt do good ST in m+

i think so

[midnight atlas]

depends on build, key level, timing of cds. it does well st also maybe not top tier but decent

if tanks pulls boss in m+ and you deathmark has 15s cd, that fucker with full cds will do more dps because he has a headstart

[steel ridge]

It sims about the same as sub does without the cringe transmitter trinket.

[subtle tundra]

yea best case scenario -> its mediocre

[lucid rune]

But dat aoe…. 👍🏻

[arctic socket]

Is it over other classes in st?

Me n the bois about to be energy straving though

[subtle tundra]

if assa doesnt get starved in ST, then the devs failed in design

[midnight atlas]

assa single target is that meme with the guy singing "im at a payphone"

[arctic socket]

I would see outlaw players doing that

[sullen monolith]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[fathom cove]

does rogue bring anything special to the raid?

Assa specifically brings Atrophic Poison yeah?

[subtle tundra]

not just assa

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[oak eagle]

every spec brings Atrophic, but thats it really, and a niche aoe stop

thats used probably on 1 fight in a raid

[fathom cove]

Yeah im just going by the guide, it says "Is a rogue spec that can bring Atrophic Poison."
I interpret that as "can realistically bring Atrophic Poison", I guess the other specs dont use that one?

[oak eagle]

no they do

[little tulip]

well if your loot funnel is a warrior you would probably want to bring more rogues and druids

you know, meta plays

[oak eagle]

its just something whispyr did for fun

you always play atro poison on any spec

and if you have 2 rogues, each rogue plays a different poison

one plays atro, one plays numbing

[fathom cove]

Aight thx for clearing it up!

[oak eagle]

gotchu

[strange python]

Have we got them opener infographics from the two YT vids stored anywhere?

[normal mist]

Wowhead

[tranquil gust]

hey there gamers
Crafting a dagger atm, new to this crafing stuff, is the pinned embelshiment Ascension still the best pick? does that require i use the trinket aswell?

[strange python]

These ones?

That @balmy condor put together

[balmy condor]

wowhead/icyveins/method

legit any guide

[balmy condor]

ye rn still the best probably maybe perhaps could be, no trinket required

[tranquil gust]

awesome ty

[jolly heath]

Isn’t stacking atrophic better with the bug?

[spice spire]

He is the Warcraft team

[nova aspen]

they got time to say hiya in reddit but they dont have time to fix buggedstalker

[nova aspen]

yep

[oak eagle]

had no idea there was a bug, but maybe

[mystic kettle]

Hey guys, is it worth just using our spark on an item early on? Or should I save it and craft something next week after I've completed a few M+

[little tulip]

save it

it's eco week

[mystic kettle]

Best to play it safe okay

[little tulip]

the tww equiv of the life bound belt and toxic thornwrap boots aren't available yet you know

just chill

you can just pay for 590 gear and go raid dot com

[mystic kettle]

Sound, I'll hold out

[pliant remnant]

Don't listen to him, cool guys craft as early as possible

Gotta climb those pre-season ilevel rankings

[indigo mulch]

!wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

[keen olive]

is the pinned message on what to craft updated?

[storm hedge]

What bug?

[spice spire]

Yes but so is the warning on top

If it’s pinned here it’s updated

[little tulip]

i mean if you get the 584 rep grind gear which for sasssin is the head and chest

you can get one to max ilevel in a few hours of crest farming via heroics

apparently you can also be in the overworld farming odd wax for more flightstones

but that just sounds kinda silly if you're not the first chair on raiding next week or whatever lol

[hearty coral]

if i did the campaign with another toon i should do it also with my main or its ok to skip it?

[little tulip]

[pure moth]

can also get shoulders

[little tulip]

those are vers crit which yeah i should probably get a pair

ilevel be king and stuff

no like cause i gotta pug it you right

[sullen fjord]

I don’t get why do we use tea during kb in st, but in aoe we use it „just for energy anywhere or with vanish ”? Why not during kb?

[little tulip]

[pure moth]

stats dont matter. you want the ilvl for the agility. You can balance stats later on as you get gear from m0/m+

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[spice spire]

New command dropped

[normal mist]

Nice tea

[spice spire]

It gives mastery as well

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/and-that's-the-tea-sapphira-cristál-rupaul’s-drag-race-tongue-pop-that's-the-truth-gif-12332836490173335399

[spice spire]

Is the tl;dr

[sullen fjord]

You don’t say? That’s why I would always use it during KB

[little tulip]

i just did 2 seasons of outlaw im not trying to read more that is some good tea

[normal mist]

Kb nerf made it so the mastery during kb wasn't as good as using it for the 100 energy gain during shiv windows

[iron carbon]

You use for mastery and being able to spam more envenom while KB/Shiv

[normal mist]

So in theory you don't use it for KB

[jolly heath]

That atrophic stack together, so with 2 rogues, it’s about 7% dr

[normal mist]

You use it for shivs

[iron carbon]

Really? Not fixed yet?

[little tulip]

juust do soujourn for each faction except the azj kahet and you can get some good pieces on adventurer track basically

it's really good

[long robin]

for assa which craft item should i craft?

[sullen fjord]

But shiv windows are during kb, no?

[normal mist]

Yes

But our tea usage is different from before

[iron carbon]

You can often use it out of KB with AP talent

[little tulip]

yeah keep shiv and envenom up through kingsbane

[normal mist]

We don't use tea to cover kb

We just tea to have energy during shiv windows

[iron carbon]

But yes, most of the time, lining up with kb

[normal mist]

Pins

Check the pins

[iron carbon]

But just htink you wanna use it when u starve energy and to spam envenom while shiv is applied

[normal mist]

That's what I've been saying

XD

[sullen fjord]

Allright, so it’s ideal to use it during kb but it’s not strictly only there

[iron carbon]

Yes, I already told it earlier too but it seems hard for him to understand ^^

[spice surge]

If you only use it for kb youll waste the energy a lot of the time

Which is what you dont want

Hence, use it for energy during shiv

[deep sorrel]

but during opener you're always below the energy threshold to cap anyway no?

[iron carbon]

ST yes, AoE, not

[static shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[deep sorrel]

so last 6s of KB will be more dps than initial shiv pre kb

[spice surge]

During the opener is different because you want to get the CD rolling

[deep sorrel]

for tea that is

[spice surge]

The most dps is using it for energy

During shiv

[iron carbon]

^

[deep sorrel]

and do it twice? once on shiv one for last 6s

then follow only on shiv

?

[spice surge]

No, use it once in the opener and then during shiv when youre not wasting the energy

[glass spade]

Will indiscriminate carnage allow us to apply garrotes and ruptures to 3 targets at a time if you can get it applied to multiple targets during the 6 second post stealth window - or is it only the first application that spreads

[iron carbon]

All during 6 sec

So 6 GCD gonna spread

[little tulip]

it's not guaranteed to pandemic to un-ruptured/garroted targets from what i've noticed doing heroics all week

[normal mist]

It's not?

[iron carbon]

Wdym?

[glass spade]

When your tank pulls humongous packs (like 10+) at what point do you stop applying bleeds and start pumping ST on your DSM target

[deep sorrel]

is this due to the kingsbane change in tww?

[little tulip]

with plater i see indisc. carnage reapplying buffs instead of spreading

[normal mist]

Because IC has smart targeting

[little tulip]

but maybe i'm silly? try it yourself in heroics

[real pike]

which faction are people prioritising for renown? any particularly good gear?

[iron carbon]

At the end of Indiscriminate carnage

[royal lantern]

its smart targeting

[sullen fjord]

Cool, thanks for explanation. Sorry if it was asked before, didn’t see 🙂‍↔️

[royal lantern]

it puts dots on targets that dont have dots first

[spice surge]

Tww is different than DF yes

[little tulip]

i try to prio it....if that's the right word but it just reapplies garrote/rupture so i get a new target and run the rotation

[cyan summit]

council at 7

the assembly at 8

[royal lantern]

you get all at 8 if you do story + sidestuff

[hollow lichen]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[normal mist]

If you garrote and rupture the same target 3 times, you're getting 3+2+2 spreads

[iron carbon]

It reapply if no target without debuff in range

[little tulip]

mm

[glass spade]

Waaaaaait.. if you keep rupturing and garroting the same target during indiscriminate does it know to spread it to the other targets that aren’t hit yet?????

[iron carbon]

Yep

But reaply the first to your target

[jolly heath]

Yes as long as the other are close to your target

[little tulip]

definitely a range thing

[normal mist]

It isn't that small

[iron carbon]

Just test on dummies

[spice spire]

Ten yards isn’t small at all.
Or is it 7? Either way. It’s kinda nuts

[little tulip]

committed to not using weak auras for a bit cause wrath/cata was current for me last time i played

[clever sapphire]

thats what she said

[glass spade]

I’ve been running around like an idiot applying bleeds to all ten things independently

[normal mist]

I was wondering when someone would say that, you did not disappoint

[iron carbon]

Don't try to apply to everybody

[glass spade]

Once indiscriminate runs out is that our priority switches to ST

[iron carbon]

I mean, spread during IC, then stop unless u got less than 5-6 rupture up

[normal mist]

Keep in mind, only during IC

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/peon-warcraft3-evil-gif-17603374800786823208

[little tulip]

but yeah been around since late df season 3 like not getting shot through doors and boxes >_>

[glass spade]

Thank you guys for always being so helpful 🥺

[normal mist]

No problem

[iron carbon]

You're welcome

[glass spade]

Some day when there’s other ppl that have these questions I’ll be helping

[deep sorrel]

on double shiv, better on the first one pre kb, or the one middle of kb for refresh?

[iron carbon]

Yep, still

[glass spade]

I mained sub rogue in DF and was able to get up to top 500 NA for mythic plus but I am not doing well with sin yet lol

I need to learn the nuance

[deep sorrel]

i asked like two options, with yes i'm still as clueless hahaha :P

[normal mist]

I'd you're talking about tea, just use it to regenerate 100 energy while you're spamming envenoms on shiv windows

That's it

[iron carbon]

I thought you asked for shiv

[deep sorrel]

ye but r u blasting one or two during the shiv windows

cus u press it twice

shiv that is

[iron carbon]

Shiv -> KB then shiv for refresh and you use Tea when you won't waste energy using it

[deep sorrel]

i get the not wasting energy, dw haha

[little tulip]

the mastery from tea only affects the deathmark*** bleeds?

[normal mist]

No

[little tulip]

but it's affected by snapshotting so

[spice surge]

Theres no snapshotting

[normal mist]

Affects the spec itself

[real pike]

tyty

[little tulip]

why don't we tea before deathmark

oh okay

[iron carbon]

So, just keep it in mind

So you can chain 2 Tea if you want

[deep sorrel]

alright thanku, this is what i was wondering

[formal pasture]

Anyone else feels death mark sucks balls gameplay wise?

[normal mist]

No

Better than vendetta

[iron carbon]

So true

[little tulip]

hunger for blood was also not that good

any bleed is on the target and you got a flat damage buff

[normal mist]

That's lk right?

Lich king*

[little tulip]

yeah

[normal mist]

Was the first and last time we saw that capstone

[little tulip]

it was good because it encouraged teamwork between rogues/warriors/druids

it was outdated at release right

[normal mist]

Can't really tell, I was like 13/14 years younger when I played wotlk

[little tulip]

it wasn't that outdated then right haha

same

i did show up late for wrath and right in the middle of prepatch cata

[balmy condor]

no

[little tulip]

did not play p2 cata thought* with deathwing raid and stuff, took too long

[deep sorrel]

there was changes to energy pooling rules between deathstalker and fatebound right? can someone point me to where that is covered in the written guide by whyspir?

[iron carbon]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[deep sorrel]

oh thanks

[normal mist]

Moroes is legit the goat in this discord, he explains everything to everyone

[iron carbon]

We just need to remember commands

[faint path]

Dude I played my dh after assas rogue it feels so bad damage wise when I dont have cds 😄

assas rogue has damage all the time literally 😄

[normal mist]

Doubt

Outside of CDs we are noodles

[novel star]

new m+ havoc is super reliant on meta right

[little tulip]

we do lose damage if the chain pulls are for ara ara egg trinket

but the dungeon still gets cleared

it's just not as fast

[iron carbon]

Wdym?

[normal mist]

No idea

[little tulip]

i get to refresh indiscrimiate carnage

and my vanish isn't on cooldown

[iron carbon]

!stealth

[faint path]

Ye I'm not talking about chains if we are in stealth literally we have damage all the time :;D

[normal mist]

Oh it's another restealth shenanigan

[faint path]

so much literally so much

[little tulip]

no like i still put rupture and garrote down it's okay

[iron carbon]

bad command 😦

[little tulip]

but i can't make the arcane mage feel bad about rereolling

[novel star]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[little tulip]

this arcane***dude is in 460 gear doing 1.2m in about 30 seconds lol

we're okay

[normal mist]

Sudden demise

[novel star]

kinda a shame, the burst timings before were nice

[sullen fjord]

You say no, but in wowhead guide it is there, please explain 🙏 is it just if I need to apply caustic?

[faint path]

Because of sudden demise we are doing more damage atm because adds are directly dying 😄

[faint path]

Yep I agree, I was playing dh before now it feels so useless without meta

[iron carbon]

I think it's more a caustic spatter refresh?

[real pike]

is that for caustic?

[sullen fjord]

Makes sense, yea

[novel star]

both of those are for spatter

[balmy condor]

I say no because it has nothing to do with your question and you clearly didn't understand what was asked in the first place

[real pike]

is it possible to make/get a macro or wa to target whoever has DSM?

[balmy condor]

opener is fine

[sullen fjord]

It wasn’t my question

[potent dawn]

Is there math anywhere on earthen racial dps loss from the food buff?

[novel star]

you gain damage because you have cool spikes on your arms and they poke the enemies when you swing

who CARES

sorry i’m tired

[normal mist]

Tired but right

I got you homie

[novel star]

😭

[umbral cypress]

is suden demise gonna be as good when mobs dont die to fast??

[faint path]

I don't think so

[grim jay]

If you mean as high on your details

Then no

If you mean good enough that you wanna play it

Then yes

[soft merlin]

Ty!

[royal lantern]

the main value of suden demise is the 10% bleed dmg

the "execute" is just a neat little bonus that helps not wasting some bleed dmg

[iron carbon]

In a ideal world, you don't want to see Sudden Demise on your detals. It means you wasted dots

[tall jay]

so, what is our "go to " spec at moment for Heroic/M0? is it Cleave spec with fatebound?

[fiery mauve]

[iron carbon]

Tbh, I go bleed + Fatebound cuz i'm lazy

[cinder pebble]

ER + Deathstalker still not fixed? O:

[rugged mango]

is it that time of the day again

[iron carbon]

Nope

[grim jay]

It wont ever be cleave for low content

[pliant remnant]

[tall jay]

ok, just making sure, im mean everything does SOOOOO fast atm ... im stting at 580...

[grim jay]

Get to 585, everything dies 0.23s faster

[nova aspen]

im 585, can confirm

[velvet vault]

what should we do for our emblishment items ?

[arctic socket]

I’m 591 can confirm stuff dies faster

[velvet vault]

which emblishment is better right now ?

[arctic socket]

Dreadthread is pretty cool

[grim jay]

Deaththreat will be the inevitable choice if you craft a spark item

Id just go with the crit at 80+ or ascension + patch for the low gear without spark

[mint urchin]

Would you ever use CT on single target? I assume it's worth it for deathmark but not sure outside of that over another envenom cast. Specifically in like m+ where you run CT

[iron carbon]

Never in ST

[arctic socket]

I have two crafted pieces with dreadthread on them at 490 1600 crit kinda nice

[grim jay]

For now you wont use it in ST

[mint urchin]

So another envenom is just always better

[arctic socket]

Yes

Never press ct on a boss unless there’s 3 bosses

[iron carbon]

Not 2?

[velvet vault]

u mean dawnthread ?

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[eager bloom]

CT not affected by deathmark afaik

[iron carbon]

I didn't do the maths but I did read somewhere " 2 or more target "

[arctic socket]

I generally don’t press ct unless there’s 3+

[robust river]

New math says 2 I believe (previous Whispyr comment)

[cunning basin]

Become ungovernable, take the dps loss and press ct in single target 👿

[robust river]

Here for source

[mint urchin]

Oh true, my brain just assumed it was all bleeds but it's just garrote and rupture

[carmine kernel]

Is Fatebound in M+ far behind Deathstalker?

[grim jay]

It will always be behind in defensives alone

[robust river]

2-5% is DPS I've seen suggested (assuming perfect play on both sides)

[little tulip]

2.5% sounds harsh in pugs but if you're a guild progressing thats not that harsh

[robust river]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[grim jay]

Guild progressing m+

[little tulip]

sometimes i wish i could just garrote instead of ambushing in overworld content

[carmine kernel]

Hmm, interesting. I do prefer Fatebound but I can see that defensive being useful for sure. I'll still give it a go though.

[little tulip]

guild running 8am-12pm in my time zone, not doing rotc part 3-5 again lol

[grim jay]

It definitely has good potential to alleviate the issue sin had sometimes

[little tulip]

gotta wait for the 2nd raid group to open or go outward lol.

[carmine kernel]

How's the single target looking for raid? I'm still trying to decide what to main.

[lime crypt]

main what looks cool

[little tulip]

sub probably

[acoustic roost]

Main rogue. Play whatever’s best or you have the most fun with

[celest marlin]

Can someone help me, so i dont FOK all the time in aoe situations?

[grim jay]

Yeah, being able to play all 2 rogue specs is nice

[iron carbon]

Only mutilate for caustic spatter and FoK when 3+ targets

[celest marlin]

I get why mutilate, but if they are 3+ targets i dont mutilate? is that the correct

[midnight atlas]

if we go cold blood for deathstalker when do we use it in aoe?
does it work well with the empowered fan of knives after applying mark or keep it for envenoms?

[real pike]

do we prioritise ER CPs or getting to 5+ for DsM?

[foggy terrace]

Ascension on dagger what does it mean? Siphoning Stiletto? and what's patch

[real pike]

like if I land on an ER CP do I use it or keep going up to 5+?

[iron carbon]

Yep

[iron carbon]

Land it or you'll never use the buffed CP

[real pike]

ok then run up to 5+ when you're out of ER nodes or skip them

[iron carbon]

I would say : Land when you go on it but don't try to be on it

[real pike]

yeah makes sense

ty

is it possible to make/get a macro or wa to target whichever mob has DsM?

[iron carbon]

I would say keep it for envenom, didn't do the maths but I'm pretty sure to use it on envenom with shiv is better

[spice surge]

No

But having a good plater profile helps immensely imo

[iron carbon]

Whispyr's colors DsM target in purple for exemple

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[iron carbon]

I guess it's a script or a mod than you can export/import to your profile

[rotund oak]

i thought i was on outlaw channel

dear lord

[real pike]

ooo I have Ceverion's but might need to update it

I think that one is based on Whispyr's

[real stream]

So what are people's thoughts on Echoing Reprimand?

[arctic socket]

There’s so many yellow names in here

[cold parcel]

I dont use it

I prefer the CB or the extra vanish for non stop pulls

seems to work fine for now

[real stream]

That's what I'm thinking especially with how Mark works, if you can't get into stealth on mythic+ chain pulling then trying to spread indiscriminate carnage is pointless right?

[normal mist]

No

It isn't

But you guys do as you feel right

But objectively, double vanish builds are worse

[thorn fjord]

They’re terrible

[cold parcel]

I think we will still have to but it just makes it really difficult to do so

[dapper cradle]

i mean, it's super low probability that you'll NEVER get a restealth

[cold parcel]

lol its defo not TERRIBLE

[dapper cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_if0HnJ1gE&t=2613s

[thorn fjord]

I hope people aren’t basing the playstyle on heroic dungeons

[dapper cradle]

whispyr does a really good job explaining

[cold parcel]

yea I watched that

[dapper cradle]

even with no restealths, or like super minimal ones, you're not actually losing a ton of damage

[cold parcel]

I just think for the current content and until the bugs pertaining to to ER are fixed, its better to avoid it

[cold parcel]

completely disagree

we lose TONS of damage in the current content

[spice surge]

The ER bug is minimal

Especially in aoe

[tired gull]

Current content doesn’t matter though

[dapper cradle]

watch the vod bro, not my claim

[cold parcel]

I did the moment it released

[dapper cradle]

that's literally what whispyr says

with data on the screen

[cold parcel]

true but things will change more after m+ releases anyways

[real stream]

Also I prefer the poisons route instead of the bleeds. But I'm struggling to decide

[iron carbon]

Don't swear 😦
I'll change color I promise

[cold parcel]

yea I saw but for me personally, right now this functions much better

[dapper cradle]

getsugo tenshou

[novel horizon]

are most people using the wowhead m+ build for heroics?

[dapper cradle]

this is what I yell every time I slam a darkest night envenom

[fallow marsh]

This is what I have been using

[tired gull]

Yeah right now it feels awful not getting a restealth because everything dies instantly, when things live longer and we manually spread bleeds we’ll still be fine, though the restealths do make it much more fun and feel good

[rotund oak]

u can stay as u love friend,no one is forcing anyone

[tight schooner]

Manually spread ? So tabbing rupture and garrote to all mobs ?

[cold parcel]

hahah yup

[spice surge]

Yes

[iron carbon]

Look how fancy I am now

[normal mist]

Way better

[novel horizon]

so i should take the point out of resounding clarity and go 2/2 lethality?

[normal mist]

That's exactly it

[fallow marsh]

That’s what I’ve been doing for single target

[jade carbon]

dawnthread lining not stacking or this is only visual bug ?

[robust river]

I think someone said you have to go belwo 80% HP then back above

[normal mist]

No idea, most of us didn't craft embellishments yet

[robust river]

If it's that one I'm thinking off

[proper tapir]

Does the value double on the buff?

[jade carbon]

still dont have info here what is the best and on wowhead said - double this

that why i craft nospark items

with this embelishment

[normal mist]

Check the pins

Literally the first one

[jade carbon]

yes i see that

but pins talking about only 1

[proper tapir]

Yeah 2 is good

Weapon embellishments were good for a bit but with tuning and bug fixes aren't as strong anymore

[jade carbon]

for this first m0 / hc week will be fine

[spice surge]

Until they fix them embellishments are completely whatever though

[normal mist]

Pins assume either double CRIT or dagger + parch

[spice surge]

1% for both of them combined

[normal mist]

And it seems dagger + parch is winning for now, by a lot

[proper tapir]

Yes, go get 'em boss

[normal mist]

Which can result in nerfs

[scenic nacelle]

!bob

Hmm how we feeling about Bind of Binding

[normal mist]

We don't

Hehehe

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

Note that ascension on your dagger+patch is worth like 1.2% instead of the 0.9% you'd get from 2 linings

So while its technically much stronger, its not really that much stronger

[normal mist]

Words

What do they mean

[spice spire]

Embellishments kinda mid

[normal mist]

Idk, I'm safe either way, can craft both

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

So once there's a green light

I'll brrrrrr

[iron lynx]

I went engineering thinking some of the tinkers would be good, but they all seem kinda meh, Sad Robot noises...

[dapper cradle]

those race changing inscription scrolls are so based

[deep sorrel]

anyone know if its possible to sim rep items in droptimizer?

[proper tapir]

I don't think so but you can add them to top gear

[deep sorrel]

through item id?

[spice spire]

Yeah you just top gear it

Yeah

Easy mode is just import from wowhead

[deep sorrel]

i wanna compare 606 chest vs 590 trink

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

write the name of the item in the "add gear" box in topgear

And write the ilvl

[deep sorrel]

ty

[south lava]

for fatebound do we need to play normal rotation and let it happen naturally or do we have to play around it?

[iron carbon]

Don't pay attention at it

You may track the capstone buff if you want

But not really useful

[proper tapir]

Don't use cold blood when you have the edge case buff (edited to correct the buff I said)

[kind gorge]

outside of the icy veins and wowhead is there any similar or better m+ talent build?

[pliant remnant]

Yeah, but we're hiding it from you

[spice surge]

I mean this doesnt really matter. Jeopardy doesnt guarantee the rolls flip the same face as your previous ones

[iron carbon]

All "archetype" are there. You can do some change depending what you want to play with or not. But just read the talent part of the guide, everything is explained

[zenith prairie]

Whispyrs guide goes over all the talents pretty thoroughly

[kind gorge]

How do we sim for aoe. dungeon slice ?

[iron carbon]

yep

If by AoE, you mean M+

[proper tapir]

I mean, I have a bunch of builds here, but this is a theorycrafting post for AOE gains. #1065730164077645916 message

[robust river]

I thought CB was not using it straight after Deathmark to avoid it eating Edge Case

[proper tapir]

That's what I mean, edge case - not double jeopardy

[proven current]

is the mage tower up rn? can you get the legion appearance or is it just the recolored sets?

[spice spire]

Recolored

[sand mango]

whats the best race for a rogue

[zenith prairie]

Orc

[spice surge]

Dwarf or orc generally

Nelf can be ok

[distant plinth]

For me mechagnome simmed higher

[spice surge]

Obviously all small differences, play whatever you like the look of the most

[robust river]

Gnome gang (based purely on looks)

Tauren also viable (cause funny)

[vital flicker]

or pick a race for the racial liek dwarf or NE

[proper tapir]

I want to be a dragon 😦

[steep rover]

Why do we cash deathmark before we cast kingsbane?

And not the other way

[molten sail]

dual poison application

duplication *

[spiral kayak]

But, everything is explained in the wowhead guide btw.

[tawny pawn]

Assa rogue HEHE fun! Me garrote goes bleed rupture CT mutilate fok into envenom. Yey cute happy life!
Whíspyr: Releases a 1h 35 mins on how to play assa on M+

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[rare jackal]

is "stay under 50% energy when playing sanguine blade in ST" still a thing?

[robust river]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rare jackal]

ah nice, thanks

[gloomy otter]

anyone got good plater recommendations?

[placid adder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rain jewel]

How do you keep casting in Single target on Deathstalker? I feel like i run out of energy esp. once i used all my thistle teas. I keep garrote and rupture up, but i end up not being able to build up Combo points for Envenom. Is there a concept im missing?

[iron carbon]

Yep, when you can't keep envenom chain, you need to pool energy to start another chain and not spam you envenom as soon you can

[placid adder]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rough hull]

after work i will go to the supermarket and get provisions to do a whispyr assa rogue guide marathon

[rain jewel]

So its perfectly normal to wait until you can chain again? I was just wondering, if im doing anything fundamentally wrong

[iron carbon]

Yep, it is

[rain jewel]

Thank you so much

[iron carbon]

Assa is slow in ST

[steep rover]

Ya I need to get out of outlaw spam mentality too

[rain jewel]

so start chain again just below 50% or wait further than 50%?

yea.. outlaw is... braindead in comparison, it feels like lol

[iron carbon]

Not the same gameplay

Outlaw more reactive on procs and high fight uptime required

Ass is more slow and controlled

[steep rover]

I definitely get energy starved on bosses

But I did get a sacbrood

So that helps a lot with haste

[rain jewel]

oh nice 😮

[steep rover]

But also that’s because I’ve been spamming mut

I need to pool more

[rain jewel]

so ya, i start mutilating again around 140~ energy? not let it reach 50% due to sanguine blades?

[iron carbon]

Depends your hero talent

[rain jewel]

oh

[iron carbon]

Deathstalker want you to spend a lot of finisher so you want to press more envenom

[rain jewel]

ya im Deathstalking haha

[iron carbon]

^

[steep rover]

Is jt fine to send 5cp envenom for uptime (fate) or do you want 7

I have been using it for heroics rather than death stalker for funsies

[rain jewel]

Ty.. if only i could read lol. thank you so much, i understand

[iron carbon]

My pleasure

[placid adder]

Hey I posted that

[rain jewel]

Thank you too !

[normal mist]

No problem

[rain jewel]

Thats why we come to you for help

[idle siren]

how many haste we should have minimum/optimal?

[normal mist]

[normal mist]

Sim

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

@idle siren read above

[arctic socket]

268%

[nimble thunder]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[iron carbon]

You playing fate?

If yes, you don't care about 7 cp

If not, it depends if you can continue your envenom chain or not

[jolly oriole]

Anyone got any recommendations on rotational weakauras that they use?

[iron carbon]

But it's situational

[royal lantern]

fatebound=envenom chaining, pool energy up when it runs out

deathstalker=chain under 50% energy, spam above 50% energy

[normal mist]

Reading the guides

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[royal lantern]

and yeha

no rotation helpers

rotation helpers bad

dont use them

[arctic socket]

The rotation helper I would recommend is the wowhead guide

[normal mist]

Hekili exists but we do NOT recommend it

[arctic socket]

Under rotation

[zinc willow]

Can you imagine a rotational helper for assassin in m+? Lol

[jolly oriole]

nothing like hekili more to keep track of cds 😉

[iron carbon]

^

[jolly oriole]

didnt think of any other name to use for it

[normal mist]

Then WAs

There's a list above

[jolly oriole]

cheers!

[normal mist]

Cheers

[rain jewel]

Is there a weakaura, that displays, how many Targets you are currently fighting exactly? for garrote, rupture spreading... counting is hard

[zinc willow]

Whisper’s plater is excellent plus a WA your comfortable with

Almost all I’ve seen track that with a number by rupture

[balmy prism]

Pay attention to what WAs you're frequently looking at too, the rest can be favourably removed to decluter your screen

[iron carbon]

It exists but can't remember the name. It shows the target in range of FoK, SS and BF

[rain jewel]

Tyty, will keep my eyes open

[normal mist]

No problem

[iron carbon]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

[hexed root]

Is there a bis/prebis list that we can be going after now?

[sharp apex]

Hey friends,

I was hoping someone might have a second this morning to sit with me and verbally explain pooling a bit. I am seeing some incredible peaks on my assassination rogue but am really not understanding the bit for pooling / when to pool. WoWhead guide is fine but the paragraph on it for some reason isn't resonating with me quite yet.

[normal mist]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[arctic socket]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[steep rover]

I just wanted to try it, last week was fate in keys, this week I’m doing death stalker

Things just die very fast so getting my mark up is annoying

[normal mist]

True

M0 will be better hopefully

[steep rover]

I don’t usually have a priority target to even kingsbane unless I just send it immediately

Cause it just melts haha

[sharp apex]

I have seen this posted here and read it, please consider what I posted! Thank you!

[robust river]

Yeah everything dies quickly for now, it's just the content.

[steep rover]

But I’m still doing like 800k+ overall so I think it’s ok

[normal mist]

Tldr:
Fatebound: get around 70% of your energy and then start spamming envenoms until you cant keep up envenom buff anymore, Regen back to 70% and repeat.
Deathstalker: spam often and try to eat your energy, not letting it go above 50%

[little tulip]

deathstalker needs some tweaks but other classes need it more, 100k and all of that

[shy pecan]

You also only really pool when you're out of CDs because you're just doing maintainence at that point.

[sharp apex]

Appreciate this answer, I just notice past my shiv window I have significate downtime. Is there a time I should be thistleing in this window? (Deathstalker)

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[iron carbon]

Tea during shiv

[steep rover]

Ty for all the great info guys

[normal mist]

Shiv window you always use teas that's why you don't suffer as much. And DM keeps you full energy for a while

[steep rover]

Assassination is new for me and I’m excited to get into the nuances

[little tulip]

i played shiv/amp poison through most of prepatch and only recently switched to bonespike no dragon tempered

[normal mist]

Bleed build

Brrrrrrr

Good for low m+

And m0

[iron carbon]

Bleed + fatebound is the way for low content, yep

So you can put the brain on the side of you desk

[normal mist]

Pretty much

[gray horizon]

Honestly deathstalker feels fucking terrible, being energy starved is not fun and is incredibly frustrating

[little tulip]

rogue's really good at getting candle

[gray horizon]

Fatebound feels way better to play so far imo

[little tulip]

and it's good in prepatch

[normal mist]

Fatebound might feel worse

[little tulip]

just like yeah, as stuff finalizes maybe

[normal mist]

Energy wise

[robust river]

I've enjoyed playing both 😄

[gray horizon]

Idk, I'm running heroics and fatebound feels great. No energy problems, high dps on both ST and aoe

[little tulip]

keep our cleave where it is, st is whatever

[gray horizon]

Deathstalker you finish your CDs and it's just like......

[little tulip]

st isn't real as far as raids go lol.

[gray horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-okay-yeah-sure-okay-yikes-waka-flocka-gif-17449924

[little tulip]

you earn st by sovling problems lol

[normal mist]

DN always gives energy back

[iron carbon]

We do not play the same Deathstalker

[sharp apex]

This is my personal feeling rn

[normal mist]

Fatebound afaik has nothing on energy gain

[solid venture]

Im a deathstalker stan till the day i die

[normal mist]

Maybe I'm wrong

[gray horizon]

It does but that also leads to another huge problem with Deathstalker, having to mutilate at 6cp

[robust river]

I don't really notice an energy difference between the two hero talents personally? I didn't think either of them particularlly interacted with it

[gray horizon]

if they fix the ER bug it'll be a lot nicer but eh

[normal mist]

7

Oh nvm

Yes

You're right

[gray horizon]

Yeah and then you just lose even MORE energy and ugh

[iron carbon]

Deathsalker grant energy back then you consume all marks

[gray horizon]

it just feels so so so incredibly slow and bad and clunky

[normal mist]

Maybe because stuff dies in 2 globals

[robust river]

Yeah, but they're saying Fatebound feels better for energy. It should feel worse right? Other than the 6CP muts

[gray horizon]

maybe i'm doing it wrong idk but fatebound is just so much more enjoyable to play

[iron carbon]

Imo, it feels worse

[normal mist]

Maybe because things die in two globals

[little tulip]

fatebound is okay except for unstealhs

cast snd and you lose stealth cause a coin dropped lol.

[iron carbon]

Maybe cuz I like to spend my resources in shorts Windows then pooling

[gray horizon]

Yeah pooling is ass imo

not a fun mechanic at all

[robust river]

"Right, got my bleeds up, time to put out some dp.... oh, they're all dead."

[iron carbon]

Go play outlaw then

[gray horizon]

no?

I've been playing sin for like 10 years dude lol. Sin has never really needed to consistently pool ever

maybe sometimes for very minimal gains

[normal mist]

Tbf pooling is part of the spec for a long while

[iron carbon]

Keep complaining so

[little tulip]

combat was objestively better on xt-002

[robust river]

I don't see pooling going away this expan or anytime soon personally.

[little tulip]

didn't need to build deadly venom stacks between killing trash and xt-0002 and the damage gain covering for other weaker players in mana is a crutch

[iron carbon]

Pooling is a sin / sub mech since I start the class

[cobalt sphinx]

Anyone know if rupture or envenom is better if a target is dying in like 2 globals

[deep wave]

envenom

[red trout]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[normal mist]

Change target

[robust river]

Envenom I'd imagine. Though Sudden Demise would pop and refund energy if chain pulling I guess? I'd probably just send Envenom if nothing else to hit

[cobalt sphinx]

Is it different with zoldyck

[normal mist]

How come

[little tulip]

it's really good but

[iron kiln]

I have the impression of not being able to maintain evenom, I am constantly lacking energy, need a minimum of haste?

[little tulip]

wow it's kinda faceroll

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[robust river]

That's normal. No haste needed.

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

Fuck

ELEEM

[little tulip]

no like, ❤️

[robust river]

Noob Royal

[little tulip]

deadly venom was a big part of keepin ssassin single target

[normal mist]

Goddamn it

[iron carbon]

Royal, you fcking slow

[normal mist]

Always 1 step behind

IM ON MY PHONE

[deep wave]

is it ever worth casting envenom at anything but max combo? ignoring reprimand echo ofc

[normal mist]

REEEEEEEE

[little tulip]

i sweaaaaar 😦

[robust river]

5+ you send it outside of mark refresh

[normal mist]

I mean

You never do

[clever sapphire]

time to connect your phone to a keyboard

so you never lose again

[normal mist]

You finish at 5+

[little tulip]

just make deadly poison stacks affect amp poison stacks

1m envenoms live and also healers die in pvp from hypovolemia

[normal mist]

I'm at work, I can't xD

[little tulip]

sudden blood loss and all that

😄

[normal mist]

You never force 7cp finisher other than for darkest night

[iron carbon]

Sometimes, you get a proc that put you at 7 CP

[robust river]

You never force 7CP you mean 😄

❤️

[normal mist]

Edited

Reeeee

[robust river]

That darn mobile

[normal mist]

To be fair it wasn't so far off

What you gonna do it you hit 7 with crits?

[fiery mauve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

You finish

[iron carbon]

the question was awkward to be honest

[robust river]

[normal mist]

No I am

[iron carbon]

Indeed

[rotund oak]

[little tulip]

i don't think anyone misses dragonflight season 4

i certainly don't

that's probably the worst thing about tww

[normal mist]

I loved it honestly

Allowed me to play FF14

[little tulip]

i mean it'd be cool heroic potential, timewarped gear

drape of furious anger

[robust river]

OSRS for me 😄

[little tulip]

takes about a lunch break to plan right

but no one actually misses season 4

they all are like waycrest manor season 3 😄

you gotta click feet to win lol :b

[manic pebble]

omg did they fixed darkest night?

[echo heath]

this world quest trinket seems like a trap

[manic pebble]

I can kill stuff and get darkest night back

[normal mist]

Worst

[little tulip]

always thought blindside couldn;'t apply deathstalkers* excuse

[normal mist]

They added a delay on the 7cp envenom with DN active so the buff can activate first and damage second if I understood correctly

[normal mist]

That remains true

[manic pebble]

that's nice ig

[vernal egret]

is deathstalker echoing fixed? 😦

[normal mist]

No

[little tulip]

you so you save vanish if you're a mid sassin and apply it to the chain pull or boss who got puilled with no restealth offered

[glass spade]

I have a question about applying bleeds.. earlier I learned that if you stay targeting your original target and apply garrote and rupture during IC - and then reapply it to the same target it will bounce to two additional targets that DON’T already have it applied.. my question is does this then “weaken” the improved garrote on your main target since it’s technically applying a regular garrote

[little tulip]

mythic drop table hits different though

[normal mist]

It isn't a regular garrote

[cobalt sphinx]

it's still improved

[little tulip]

you can't get deathstalker's mark onto another target freely right?

[normal mist]

Improved garrote now lasts 6 seconds

Aka same time as IC

[cobalt sphinx]

if you were to apply a regular garrote, it would weaken it

[vernal egret]

if you hit the new target with a 7cb evisc then it will reapply i think

[normal mist]

It's only a regular garrote after 6 seconds have passed

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fallow marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[glass spade]

Beautiful that makes perfect sense thank you

[little tulip]

sassin is really comfy, doesn't need a second vanish

[normal mist]

No problem

[little tulip]

mabe just make sudden death stronger in st

[twin spoke]

guys what embelish for dagger craft any suggestion?

[normal mist]

Pins

Check the pins

[little tulip]

nobody runs rbg without a rogue or two

[twin spoke]

ty sir

[little tulip]

we are infact one of the most successful classes in wow right?

[normal mist]

Eh

If we were that successful we wouldn't be the least played class in the game

[cobalt sphinx]

top 10 most successful class yeah

maybe

[little tulip]

no i know warlock gets more love

but we're doign good

[normal mist]

Since a lot of people quit before they even reach max level with a rogue, it's almost safe to say the ones who play it actually enjoy it and learn it

[slate crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[iron carbon]

Second least played to be correct

[little tulip]

i think shaman is stll weaker tha nrogue

[iron carbon]

No

[normal mist]

[little tulip]

hehehe fair enough yappin

[cobalt sphinx]

shaman has historically been pretty bad

it's good right now

[rotund oak]

this looks bad

[normal mist]

I mean

[cobalt sphinx]

but they did just nerf it right

[haughty flicker]

Ele is literally held together by a single talent atm

[normal mist]

You don't notice it

[haughty flicker]

It gets nerfed and it’s joever

[normal mist]

And it does the job

[iron carbon]

It's numbers, not me

[rotund oak]

its joever anyway

[little tulip]

shaman used to bang in arena when it's cooldowns were going

[vernal egret]

anyone else has issues with plater just switching to default randomly?

[little tulip]

spirit wolves or whatever

but you could dispell and kill totems

like you just had to hide and run when wolves were out

[iron carbon]

But we're not speaking about pvp

[normal mist]

We don't really discuss pvp here

#pvp

[rotund oak]

try doing that with dks and monks running down ur @ss

[haughty flicker]

We discuss everything here

Dks are fucking wild

[rotund oak]

okok ill stop we dont

[haughty flicker]

Was doing skirmishes for the weekly on hunter and that shit was so annoying

[rotund oak]

monks are as wild as dks tbh

[kind gorge]

what race would you suggest to play as a assa rogue ?
A race that actually provides us with something useful

[iron carbon]

Dwarf

[little tulip]

dward or tauren

[thin ingot]

dwarf just cause they pimpin

[storm forum]

Dwarf or Nelf

[little tulip]

but if you 'get cc chained you're gonna die

[rotund oak]

orc or human

[thin ingot]

or naked gnome

[iron carbon]

Obviously for skin

[rotund oak]

orc has the top dps profile atm iirc

and human secondary stats and stun removal is just pog

elf basicly does nothing rn

dwarves still good though

[iron carbon]

Stun removal is a bit "gadget"

[rotund oak]

its called will to survive but ye

its very huge

[iron carbon]

In high content, things that stun generally kill you

[rotund oak]

u eliminate the die-in-a-stun probability

well not if u spec into cheat deaht

and trinket the stun

many will die,u wont

[thorn fjord]

I die slow

[storm forum]

Human and orc are very good if you wanna PVP. But for PvE idk, you almost never get stunned, and the dps difference between races is Negligible imo.

[thorn fjord]

😏

[rotund oak]

orc is the top dps racial for pve

[iron carbon]

Elusivness is my to go in m+

[distant plinth]

Better than mechagnome?

[rotund oak]

do u ever sim ur stuff boys

or u come here just to ask

[distant plinth]

I did

[rotund oak]

and mechagnome said better?

[distant plinth]

Mecha sims 2k higher for me atleast

[thorn fjord]

Sap can you sim my kit

[rotund oak]

cool then

[iron carbon]

And I personally prefer dwarf racial than 0.5% dps

[rotund oak]

any day bb

[south stratus]

what are the best poisons for assa rogue?

[iron carbon]

But for only raid content, orc is the go to

[spiral gale]

2k more DPS but have to play a diaper baby

[iron carbon]

Check guides

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah dwarf seems really good for keys

depends on how many debuffs are in the seaonal rotation

[storm forum]

Buds, we're doing millions of damage. 2k dps is a rounding error, getting the non-dps stuff is way more important.

[dull cloak]

if you serious about pve go dwarf. Otherwise it's the race that looks best for you

[kind gorge]

Isn't night elf nice to restealth on a big pack so you can keep your vanish ?

[pliant remnant]

What are the best poisons for the Chupacabra hiding in my shed

[grim jay]

no

[spiral gale]

Void Elf so afterwards I can goon

[rotund oak]

Not rly,no

[grim jay]

fire

no shed no hiding

[normal mist]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[pliant remnant]

Oh okay

I can't find fire on the talent tree, help

[grim jay]

fire poison, its new

look at the dragon tempered blades icon

you can see it there

[royal lantern]

?

what

[fiery mauve]

More people should embrace diaper baby race

[rotund oak]

?any type of delay makes the tree crawl man

not rocket science

[royal lantern]

its 0,2 seconds

[spiral gale]

Stinky baby time for your diaper change

[rotund oak]

slower

[royal lantern]

so that the capstone doesnt whiff all the time lol

[rotund oak]

yeah ik

just slower

its bad when its slower to rebound the malfunction

[royal lantern]

its literally 0,2 seconds

[grim jay]

but overreacting

[rotund oak]

but its fine if it works eventually

[royal lantern]

you cant even notice it

lol

[rotund oak]

im spiderman

lol

[grim jay]

you are fucking old bro

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

you need 2s to see a proc

[rotund oak]

[spice surge]

I have no idea how getting the proc if you manage to score a killing blow instead of losing the buff is a bad thing

[spiral gale]

So ER isn't working correctly right? Using the anima CP does fuck all dmg

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[spice surge]

ER works fine

Just not with deathstalker

[cobalt sphinx]

so it's not then

[grim jay]

thats how it doesnt work, everything else is fine

ye

[rotund oak]

ER is fine,it just doesnt trigger darkest night

[grim jay]

see

3 people answered before you said smth

and you complain about 0.2s

[rotund oak]

ok im old

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

what can i do

[spiral gale]

[rotund oak]

[limber dew]

What does DR poison mean ? Damage reduction ?

[iron carbon]

Yep

[royal lantern]

just dont be old?

[grim jay]

nothing, we love you that way

[rotund oak]

thats a nice idea!

[grim jay]

there are videos of someone that reversed his physical aging

and he only spent millions of dollars

[spiral gale]

So still take ER since it's a decent button and CB is cheeks?

[fiery mauve]

guys let's just play fatebound

It's right there

[cobalt sphinx]

was the delay thing added today?

[grim jay]

just like the macro I posted says

[fiery mauve]

[grim jay]

down the drain ye

the only flips I'll be doing are vulpera or night elf jumping animations

[fiery mauve]

Who am I kidding

I'm not even rogue this tier currently

[spiral gale]

Frost is bussin

[grim jay]

you mean crying

bcs they got nerfed

[fiery mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[rotund oak]

idk how is that possible but im pretyt fine man,i can run daily,eating healthy and im strong as an ox

im just slower than when i was 18

[grim jay]

idk, he certainly does look young for his age but I dont think thats necessarily due to what he did

[rotund oak]

looks dont mean anything my man

[iron carbon]

That's brain damages

[rotund oak]

[cobalt sphinx]

that's what my mom told me too

[earnest remnant]

sap has brain dmg for sure, he plays pvp

[iron carbon]

Explanation is there

[rotund oak]

also felt from 4-5m high and crushed with my back on a mountain slope

might be true

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

[rotund oak]

yeah bro,another dude 120klg was stepping on my head

[bleak crag]

thoughts on this trinket

[iron carbon]

You missed your acrobatics roll

[spiral gale]

Did you try not doing that sap

[bleak crag]

sims pretty high for me

and seems pretty good too

[cobalt sphinx]

pretty good and it might still be simming low

[thorn fjord]

Meadery trinket was a 2% upgrade from anything else available currently

[cobalt sphinx]

simcraft doesn't understand that it's off the gcd so it wastes gcds

[thorn fjord]

Sucks because it lunges you forward

SV hunter play

[cobalt sphinx]

meadery trinket is busted beyond belief right now in dungeons until they nerf it

[blazing badge]

At how many seconds it is okay to refrest Crimson Tempest?

[spiral gale]

I love my little drive by bee

[grim jay]

https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2024/07/845c3-17211358564959-1920.jpg?w=640
guy is 46, certainly does look fresh for that age, but nothing that couldnt just be genetics honestly

[spice surge]

It literally does though

[iron carbon]

Pandemic, so 33% of initial duration

[cobalt sphinx]

oh nice whispyr pushed the fix

must have gone through recently

[spiral gale]

Whispyr my goat

[white orchid]

Yea that serum trinket at 480 is simming really high for me too

[spice surge]

Oh nvm im in assa

[blazing badge]

For rupture initial duration is variable, but there is a 7.2 sec rule

[spice surge]

sec

[blazing badge]

Is there a simple 1 rule for Tempest?

[bleak crag]

I mean it's pretty much a puzzle box from algathar on 2 min cd

less mastery but lots of stats anyway

[spice surge]

But ye assa has a line for it as well

[acoustic sky]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spiral gale]

Oh I've been reapplying CT every 3 seconds

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it wasn't working until very recently because of the way that simcraft does it

but it should be good now

just very resource intensive apparently

[blazing badge]

I will never Crimson Tempest below 5 CP which is 14 sec, 33% of that is 4.62 sec, so 4.6 is my choice?

[spice surge]

Its 30% of the new duration

[dapper cradle]

don't we get reduced fall damage

[royal lantern]

yes, rogue is half fall dmg

panda aswell

and panda+rogue stacks

[blazing badge]

So 14 sec * 0.3 = 4.2?

14 sec = 5 CP

[vagrant moss]

Is there a way to make WAs indicate when rupture / garrote are pandemicable?

When they reach that 30%

[nova aspen]

waiting for fall damage raid fight

lock in panda rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

tomb of sargeras had a fall damage fight

[iron carbon]

Cuz 7 is 30% of duration at 5 cp? I can't check rn

[scenic nacelle]

We had razageth 🙂

[blazing badge]

Yes

[iron carbon]

So you got your answer

[blazing badge]

Yes!

Thank you

Crimson Tempest is 4.2 sec in my WA now

[iron carbon]

Just aim pandemic for lowest cp available

[blazing badge]

BTW I will share my WA when I am fully done with it

it is full rotation

logic: click what is shining

ST, AoE

[royal lantern]

avatar in tomb had that

[iron carbon]

!wa