assassination

[round nexus]

rip

[runic hinge]

quit

[rotund jungle]

Pepesad

[round nexus]

Bad timing

[grim jay]

Btw was it this ID where they are worth doing for the vault already?

[balmy condor]

next week

this week is no vault

[grim jay]

Alright, couldnt remember if vault would be open for reset or after reset

[strange python]

Do you get rep from them or is there no point in doing atm

[modest lintel]

hmmm I got some questions about the king’sbane
Since I haven’t do rogue in the whole DF

[strange python]

Ye Ol' King's Bane huh

Kings hate this one simple trick

[balmy condor]

kingersbane

from batman

the dark knight rises

[grim jay]

You can rise deez nuts

Batman

[modest lintel]

So when I case , does the DOT already on the target count?
Or I should just cast it b4 all the dot?

[balmy condor]

what

it ramps by poisons

[grim jay]

Sounds like you mistook DM for Kingsbane

[balmy condor]

yeh

this thing?

duplicates bleeds/poisons when it is cast, but also during it

so doesn't particularly matter

but should have up beforehand typically

[modest lintel]

Yeah its kinda frustrating since I kinda suck at English

I know DM is kinda like double it

But for , to get the max stack, should i case it b4 i put any interesting dot on my target yet?

[grim jay]

If you actually meant kingsbane, it doesnt matter what you have running before you cast it basically. Poison applications that count for Kingsbane happen naturally through using some skills and your auto attacks while kingsbane is on the target

[crisp stream]

I love how people are changing their frustrations after each tuning hits, earlier it was against mage, then frost dk and now people are butthurt about assassination rogues.

[grim jay]

Id suggest reading the guide, should translate pretty well to other languages

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

The one on wowhead

There is a language button somewhere

[modest lintel]

Okay i will check on it

Thx

[grim jay]

People are butthurt about assassination the whole time

Because it actually might be slightly overtuned for m+

[balmy condor]

@dawn heath

[grim jay]

As far as aoe goes

[balmy condor]

ahoymatey eliminated

[thin gate]

oh yeah assa is so op, give us 5 more seasons of godcomp

[dawn heath]

nice

u fixed the sim?

[balmy condor]

ye

[dawn heath]

wpwpw

it still looks on the lower end but might be accurate

[balmy condor]

caustic spatter in sims was set up with a generic "if nature damage, it spatters"

but then it like

didn't pick up any of the plague shit

from deathstalker

[dawn heath]

that sim i did was missplay and 15 seconds of afking

[balmy condor]

very strange

[dawn heath]

oh nice

but ye that looks way more realistic

[balmy condor]

I think there's still a bit of an oddity but that might need to wait for the future and a bit of testing and whatever

[dawn heath]

still though i wonder if there is even more damage that could be attributed to caustic, or if it just comes down to playstyle

[crisp stream]

Might be true but this also makes me wonder how many good players would have been there if they actually loved the spec and focused on representating it. Don't get me wrong some people already do that but majority dont. Anyway it izz what it izzz

[balmy condor]

I think there's maybe a slight bit missing

but nothing major anymore

most of it is playstyle at this point

but I'm still working through some of the APL things from merk

[grim jay]

Wdym there are quite some people loving assassination

[balmy condor]

that probably pushes caustic a bit higher

but it is.... a long battle

[grim jay]

Maybe I dont get what you are saying tho

[grim jay]

One doesnt have anything to do with the other tbf

[royal lantern]

eh, there are a few FotM monkeys that get attracted to high dungeon overall numbers like moths to the light, but most people posting regular here play assa for a long time now

[south prawn]

Do you guys think sub/outlaw will outperform sin in m0s/low keys if not given time to ramp?

[grim jay]

No because you dont really need time to ramp

[south prawn]

Target dies before KB 🥲

[round nexus]

just dont use it then xD

[pure siren]

Sudden Demise lol

[grim jay]

They do atm aswell and sin still does really well

[crisp stream]

Exactly, agreeing to it, I'm saying in general ( all classes) what if there are potential players who are being meta slaves and missing out being actually good, if they played what they actually like

[grim jay]

That is the case ye. Id argue there are more meta slaves on the higher end than people actually focusing on a spec or even class

[south prawn]

Ngl im an outlaw player but first time in a while sin looks interesting enough for me to try (personal preference dont beat me up)

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737

[south prawn]

Damm i really just snitched on myself

[crisp stream]

Dang, it turns out to be more tight up there. New discoveries

[south prawn]

Back to lurking

[grim jay]

And if you go lower down the ladder, you will really soon be in a range where people are overall worse on their Fotm than they would be on a class they just Stick with

[royal lantern]

too late, omw to break your kneecaps

[south prawn]

🤕🤕

[crisp stream]

It izzz what it izzz 😅

[round nexus]

I'm a long time rogue player, but never really played assa, looking forward to learning it.
But ofc i wouldn't if it wasn't performing well

So in that sense im fotm

[runic hinge]

I just play what I like and it’s fine

[grim jay]

Sin will hold its own no matter the key range. There is a slight zone where you wanna kb on trash and it will feel annoying to not get full KBs off, but thats still fine

[wooden flare]

first time rogue player and haven't played retail since og cata. rogue is the only class i levelled by questing in the prepatch instead of echos, so it's the only class i can pretend to understand. still a long way to go but at least I know what most of the acronyms mean

[grim jay]

I think fotming specs is fine tbh, people should always optimally play the class and not the spec

[royal lantern]

DN is the only acronym you need

[grim jay]

(fuck outlaw)

[crisp stream]

Rogue is actually fun, I have seen a lot of players dropping the class right after picking it up. Regardless of numbers. I personally enjoy shadow/ unholy/ assa since legion

Good times

[wooden flare]

i started on spriest but was using hekili and had no fucking idea what i was doing, playing something where you understand why a button should be pressed is so much more satisfying

[grim jay]

Ngl many people overcomplicate stuff to unimaginable degrees. Like they see some talents and skills and go apeshit crazy

Can see that on some "tierlist" videos where they talk about their experience picking up the spec

They think they need to do stuff that actually isnt the case

[crisp stream]

Agreed 👍🏻

[grim jay]

Popular example is danse macabre on sub, they think its some godly shit you need to do to optimize it, while you actually just ignore its existence

[royal lantern]

should i track amp poison???

[crisp stream]

The fun of understanding something and flawlessly pressing skills is pure blizz

[grim jay]

Definitely. There is no way around that

[crisp stream]

And then you see DMG meter and cry

Jk

[wooden flare]

this is why ilvl parses exist

[grim jay]

Why do they exist tho

They are garbage af

Unreliable data that has no worth

[wooden flare]

ok guy

[grim jay]

Thats a thing aswell, many dont seem like they wanna understand the basics. They just look at what you need to do optimally and just jump straight in, getting it right with barely any effort

[royal lantern]

make myself feel better

[grim jay]

And there are classes that do that

Like BM and ret

Fury

[grim jay]

Do they actually do that tho? Like most people dont understand how they work

[royal lantern]

no

not really

tbh, i ignore logs anyway

look into it at the end of a tier and think "neat, all purple"

[grim jay]

Ive seen quite some people doing just fine but worry about ilvl parses like its saying anything

[wooden flare]

i've always known ilvl parsing to be the copium of parsing culture

no one takes it seriously that ive raided with

[grim jay]

A guildie of mine had insane ilvl parses one evening, until she realized she used the teleport cloak or whatever it was

Because she forgot to change it again

For reclear

[grim jay]

I mostly do aswell. We even private log most of the time in the main raid so noone is logwhoreing

There is much of that in the other guild tho

[fair blaze]

Hey guys, quick question. When i have darkest nights buff and rapture in pandemic timer, my priority is to refresh rupture instead of spending darkest night buff right?

[dawn elm]

Does any1 know that did beta raidtesting know if spatter works on the second boss of the raid?

So that u can just hit boss all the time

[grim jay]

If your rupture is in pandemic, you have enough time to do both

Mark is the prio tho

Because you miss out on some (strong) talents

[fair blaze]

Okay got it, ty very much 🙂

[final juniper]

so after my set up and cooldowns what would my normal rotation be considered ? is it back to the top again?

[balmy condor]

there's a section

going over what the rotation is

[balmy condor]

the adds are WAYY too far away for that

like not even remotely close

[normal mist]

Yo whispyr

Was scrolling thru Reddit when I saw this

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/PbIMK91boa

It seems people do listen to us

[balmy condor]

yeh this is why I do youtube

[normal mist]

I was actually happy to find this comment

[grim jay]

The only positive thing attached to that post

[normal mist]

Also true

[grim jay]

Im a certified hater of the whole population topic

[balmy condor]

I mean it's reddit

you're not going to find anything of value on there

there's only brief glimmers of intelligence

[final juniper]

thank you very much man

[grim jay]

The last braincells acting up

[balmy condor]

also does someone on NA have a demon hunter

doesn't matter the level

but I need to check something

[grim jay]

But regardless if its reddit or somewhere else, that topic is just wild

And I get infinitely close to inadequate comparisons every time it comes up

[hot fulcrum]

@balmy condor is there in that video for m+ section where you describe assa behavior when chainpull is happening? Because I have such question but don't want to ask it if it is already covered on YT

[grim jay]

Its like 45 min of that m+ video

[hot fulcrum]

For me assa moves during chainpull is not yet clear 😦

[grim jay]

[hot fulcrum]

perfect. ty. will take a look

[grim jay]

Its pretty good overall to clarify some things, so if you have the time

I recommend watching all of it

[hot fulcrum]

yes, 1,5h but potentially can clear all the things out for me. So will definetely take a look for full

[balmy condor]

I guess an NA rogue would work too

I could log onto a dh

[grim jay]

What are you cooking

[balmy condor]

checking bugs my dear

[grim jay]

The gif from before fits rn

[raven panther]

Guys I dont know if you saw but this is huge, you can now kill mobs with the capstone and it will refresh the capstone buff

ER still look bugged tho

[balmy condor]

yah they seemingly fixed that earlier today

they added a damage delay on darkest night

very jank

[grim jay]

So they took a weird route to fix it?

[frosty portal]

I’m new to sin, in AoE 5-8targets. Should I be constantly spending on CT? Or only to keep the bleed active. Currently iv been spending to keep the bleed up only and spending CP on envenom. Just don’t know if the initial hit of CT at certain target count is higher than Envenom hits

[raven panther]

Hero might be fun now lmao, throwing 1.5 million back to back to mobs

[grim jay]

Ct has no instant dmg

So just dot maintenance

[frosty portal]

Oh okay ty

[royal lantern]

@grim jay where is your sKiLl iSsUe bs now?

[balmy condor]

basically when you have darkest night up and press envenom, in order to get around the fact that damage events occur before debuff events, they added a 0.2s delay to the damage of that envenom, so they're basically intentionally "lagging" the envenom in order to get the mark to reapply before the target actually dies

[royal lantern]

its a solution

[grim jay]

Thats probably the easier way ig

And shouldnt be noticeable either way

So we now snipe low HP targets with DN envenoms?

[balmy condor]

shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

[royal lantern]

if you dont wanna do aoe dmg with spatter, sure

[grim jay]

Did you feel it coming?

[balmy condor]

there's enough difficulty in the sims right now making sure it's hitting the right things and sniping ruptures and targetting the kb target and the mark target and the caustic target

I will

lose my fucking mind

[strange python]

so what are we using carved crests for? seeing as we cant make a crest

[grim jay]

Still skill issue if you 7cp a 400k HP target because it wastes effective dps for higher details number

[balmy condor]

nothing right now

[strange python]

i mean m0 week sorry

are they usable then?

[balmy condor]

uh

think so yeah

[strange python]

just fpr upgrades? i cant find much info

[balmy condor]

you'd probably use them for embellishments and a dagger

basically same rules as any other crest

just higher ilvl

[strange python]

but we cant turn them into a crest

[balmy condor]

what

why not

[strange python]

theres only 3 crests or is that a bug?

[grim jay]

I mean tryan is probably right, wont be worth unless you dont have a valid spatter target bcs everything is dying

[velvet nacelle]

i love the thought train in our pinned notes

[normal mist]

That's how it has always been with that

[velvet nacelle]

"they changed this, not sure if it's good. Edit: it's bad. Edit 2: wait, maybe not. Edit 3: yup, bad"

[strange python]

we only have weathered runed and gilded

no carved

[normal mist]

Yes

[velvet nacelle]

it's not that bad right now but that's legit been in our pins more than once

[normal mist]

Yes

You use them to upgrade items

[balmy condor]

wtf

[normal mist]

That's it

[balmy condor]

why would they add carved crests

[strange python]

yep its dumb af

[balmy condor]

what a shit system

[strange python]

thats why was confused af

it dont make sense

[velvet nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Was the same in DF

[balmy condor]

yeah well in dragonflight I never cared for crests under mythic

[normal mist]

You didn't have drake crest

[velvet nacelle]

you guys are heavily debating something that's irrelevant, here's the question that matters: light or dark for fuu's spreadsheet. do we have metrics yet?

[harsh pivot]

Hey!
Does somebody know, whats currently the best weapon enchantment for assa is right now?

[cyan socket]

Hey guys what about this build for reapply and maintenance of dots? https://i.gyazo.com/f619f15e8bdcc05f5fe8d428250094aa.png

[balmy condor]

radiant

[balmy condor]

without a trace sucks

[grim jay]

Bad

[harsh pivot]

Okay, what about aouthority of the storms?

[balmy condor]

no

[cyan socket]

do you use echoing for only envenom or use it with crimson is good too?

[grim jay]

Ive heard something in the pvp channel

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-chin-scratch-hmm-think-gif-9438567

[balmy condor]

you use echoing on deathstalker, doesn't matter the finisher

you use cold blood on fatebound

hell, if you're feeling super fresh and funky you could keep 1 point of subterfuge for all I care and run 2/2 lethality

that's better too

[harsh pivot]

I hate the talent echoing tbh... does it run smoothly now?
i heard it was bugged

[grim jay]

Nooooo

Dont give in

To the voices

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

still bugged

[normal mist]

It's obviously extremely good for pvp

[grim jay]

It was a little banter about a non pvp related message in pvp

[normal mist]

Oh

[balmy condor]

I mean literally just taking the vanish point out and putting it into lethality

would be better

[grim jay]

Just dont meet them halfway

They dont deserve it

[balmy condor]

yeah probably true

[grim jay]

Also arguably

Every single point you take out of the right side

Is a gain

[balmy condor]

correct

well, without a trace is better than recuperator

there's nothing to debate there

ya got me

[grim jay]

Maybe they should swap without a trace with recuperator

[balmy condor]

that's just a deathstalker buff

[grim jay]

I would lie if I said I would mind it

But wouldnt that only safe you from fuckups?

[balmy condor]

well I guess it would actually be a fatebound buff too

you could double vanish openers

[grim jay]

True

[balmy condor]

then we'd actually be in the business of getting capstone on opener

[little tulip]

deathstalker feels fine, it's nice seeing 1m envenom crits

[rugged mango]

you know what they say, the real fuckups are the friends we made along the way

or something

[grim jay]

Based

[normal mist]

Genuine question: how good would without a trace be if the coldowns were independent?

[grim jay]

Pretty good probably for m+

[normal mist]

You could literally vanish every 1 minute

[grim jay]

You would get close to double the vanish IC windows, which would help with longer pulls

[little tulip]

i dunno 1 vanish charge to get deathstalkers is balanced

or we really eating the entire dungeon and bosses

[grim jay]

You hopefully wouldnt need to do that with vanish

[little tulip]

pugs

ideally it's staged nicely and u get restealths etc

[grim jay]

DN

No ambush needed

[balmy condor]

taking a massive damage loss to maybe sometimes perhaps in some situations get a mark that you lost

just ain't it

[grim jay]

We talked too much about vanish again

[little tulip]

[rugged mango]

hey guys you know what would be really strong? a talent that gave a second charge of vanish

[little tulip]

defeat

[rugged mango]

what do you think whispyr

[normal mist]

If independent CD I'd probably take it

[bronze pike]

I miss

Shadow dance

[rugged mango]

i miss when only 1 spec was reliant on stealth

[harsh pivot]

@balmy condor what exactly is still bugged with echoing?

[grim jay]

Stealth is kinda fundamental to an assassination theme wise

[normal mist]

Anima charged cps not counting towards DN and marks

[grim jay]

And its a class feature

[normal mist]

(at least 3 and 4th CP don't)

[balmy condor]

deathstalker

[bronze pike]

so never

[grim jay]

I mean they kinda killed stealth for sub anyways

[balmy condor]

rem when have you become red

you look strange

[grim jay]

Its only outlaw bte

[normal mist]

He's a grown up

[grim jay]

And sin imp garr

[bronze pike]

since i got fed up with outlaw channel during the middle of beta

[balmy condor]

nice

[bronze pike]

funny thing now, same people are saying "outlaw is funner then ever :) cept no acro"

[ebon cloud]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[storm hedge]

Whispyr you gonna play FB in m+?

[bronze pike]

so i feel strangely vindicated yet maldin

[ebon cloud]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

maybe first week or whatever

[balmy condor]

I thought outlaw is doomed spec

[bronze pike]

tooooooooooooottally

doomed

no acro, unplayble truly

[glass hemlock]

Hoping for 80 tonight gang, been a rough expac start for me with work and family!

[rugged mango]

you only been playing for a few years? combat was never reliant on stealth or stealth windows and outlaw wasnt reliant on stealth windows before the rework in df

sin never cared about stealth until shrouded was added

[normal mist]

Ez, you got this

[balmy condor]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[normal mist]

Oh boy

[glass hemlock]

Yeah and then I can gear up 😂 my friends want me to level up an aug too… it’s feeling like a no from me xD

[balmy condor]

I mean idc what opinion you have but lets not say factually incorrect things right

[cerulean tinsel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

I was expecting a history lesson

I'm disappointed

[rugged mango]

you caught that one quick

[grim jay]

So thats fine?

[glass hemlock]

Garbonzo poopy ass sounds like something my kid will say hahaha

[balmy condor]

legion assa rework gave assa garrote and changed subterfuge to 100% increased damage from stealth

[balmy condor]

sure if that's an opinion you want to have that's fine

[grim jay]

Dont do me like that

You know I would never say such things

[spice surge]

Not to mention master assassin

[glass hemlock]

Why do I have outlaw and sub roles? What have I done

[bronze pike]

????

Idk what combat you’ve played

[little tulip]

um is harvester's edict okay?

[bronze pike]

But combat used vanished rotationally as well

And still does in classic

[rugged mango]

using it in rotation =/= reliant on stealth windows

[bronze pike]

I would say sim it

I’m assuming that’s a trinket?

[balmy condor]

is that the one that doesn't work off melee hits

for some reason

yeah

that's the one that doesn't work

for who knows why

[little tulip]

damaging spells

[bronze pike]

Ew

[little tulip]

we don't do spells ._.b

[bronze pike]

Disenchant it

[little tulip]

why is this in my bags

[balmy condor]

we do

our abilities count as spells for most things

it just

idk

doesn't work

[midnight mist]

except they had to revert bad changes they made for that to happen, so, its not like the opinion changed out of nowhere lol

[rugged mango]

im assuming you mean it doesnt proc as often as it should? ive noticed the little ball quite a bit and get the buff when i touch it

[grim jay]

We summoned zac

[balmy condor]

it's my understanding that it just straight up doesn't proc from like 99% of our abilities

[grim jay]

Ive never gotten a buff as I touched balls

[rugged mango]

takes a lot of practice

[midnight mist]

also we certainly wouldnt be in this situation if trickster was relevant for outalw, good thing its garbage

[deep wave]

how much harder is assa to play in pvp/pve compared to something like feral druid or surv hunter?

[bronze pike]

And I’ve stated multiple times they would along with other changes, while everyone acted like outlaws so

The trickster thing is also overblown but ya u do u boo

[midnight mist]

sure thing buddy

[velvet nacelle]

feral druid has like 3 buttons

[balmy condor]

I love the trickster coup gcd

[midnight mist]

i will be seeing your killing spree montages

[grim jay]

#pvp

Id argue its one of the harder m+ specs, ST is pretty chill

[midnight mist]

well it would have been ok for sin prolly

[velvet nacelle]

i like the dot spreading in m+ on sin

[midnight mist]

i dont mind it on sub either

[velvet nacelle]

outlaw is a lot of button pressing but pretty easy

[midnight mist]

certainly not a thing taht works with outalw tho

[balmy condor]

nah I was playing it on outlaw when I was updating my weakauras

thing is based

I love it

[grim jay]

Trickster couldve been really cool for sub, sadly it isnt imo

[midnight mist]

[velvet nacelle]

it almost doesn't matter what target you're hitting in outlaw but with sin (and sub to a lesser degree) putting your dots and stuff on targets makes you have to pay attention to different things

[balmy condor]

coup gcd alone is making me consider outlaw I'm ngl

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

like I actively miss it

[midnight mist]

we wont play trickster tho

[velvet nacelle]

i like outlaw but i feel like i've "had" to play it for M+ for like 4 straight xpacs

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the problem

[midnight mist]

trickster uses killing spree

[velvet nacelle]

so i'm really gonna try to push sin this season at least

[topaz isle]

Switching from feral S4 DF to rogue this expac, they are roughly equal. The most difficult thing with feral is the attention to snapshotting, whereas rogue is more button bloated

[velvet nacelle]

coup gcd?

[midnight mist]

counter argument, outlaw is always a meme in raid

at least it got m+ going for it

if even

[balmy condor]

yeh the increased gcd on coup de grace

[little tulip]

also feels like outlaw has trouble killing healers in pvp

[velvet nacelle]

i've had some strong fights with outlaw, pure ST but more often than not... yeah heh

[little tulip]

not enough pressure

[velvet nacelle]

outlaw isn't a high pressure spec i don't think

[grim jay]

Doubt, it doesnt even have survivability going for it anymore

[velvet nacelle]

outlaw is about constant pressure imo

[midnight mist]

waht

[velvet nacelle]

outlaw without acrobatic strikes feels awful to me

although i'm getting used to sin again maybe i should give outlaw another try now

[final juniper]

at ilvl 565 what should a good single target dps be?

[grim jay]

Deathstalker on sin and sub now, dont think taking OL over those for survivability even is a thing anymore

[midnight mist]

lol

[grim jay]

Which some always took as an argument

[midnight mist]

outlaw is still tankier for sure

[royal lantern]

thats a take

[velvet nacelle]

i haven't given sub a serious try yet in TWW

[midnight mist]

you have evasion on a 30s cd, you can vanish every mechanic in the game if you want and you stack vers

[royal lantern]

elusivness on Outlaw is legit bonkers

[little tulip]

sim yourself at raidbots, in aoe you want to have bleeds on the pull and on boss you wanna use the sassin faq rotation and then compare that to the raidbots number

[royal lantern]

like, its borderline gamebreaking lol

[midnight mist]

just with vers alone im probably more tanky than you pressing evasion on sin bozo

[grim jay]

Yeah but you only need a certain amount of survivability

[final juniper]

raidbots?

[grim jay]

Like if you survive, you survive

[midnight mist]

soooo

[normal mist]

Raidbots.com

[final juniper]

raidbots?

[midnight mist]

[velvet nacelle]

survival on rogues just feels binary yeah

i rarely find myself low and hoping for heals

[midnight mist]

you say outlaw survavibility is worse and then goes on to say you dont need more suv anyway

[little tulip]

raidbots dot com and the addon simulationcraft, but also use the faq to get more details

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[grim jay]

Oneshot were what happened mostly and was the issue, you rarely if at all died bcs you didnt have a feint

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

just read taht

[royal lantern]

mate, dont make me agree with zac multiple times in a row

[midnight mist]

no, i dont read

[balmy condor]

well I know you don't

[grim jay]

How is it saying it doesnt have more if I said its probably not a thing that you actively take for it anynore that much

[balmy condor]

outlaw rogue

[normal mist]

Tryan and Zac legit holding hands right now

[balmy condor]

if tryan and zac agree on something

it's either the most correct thing ever

or the worst thing I could imagine

[grim jay]

The latter

[velvet nacelle]

why not both?

[balmy condor]

idk

I didn't read anything

I just tell people to play assa better

[bronze pike]

Facts

Also outlaw defensives are insane

[balmy condor]

whatever other convo is going on about outlaw or whatever I'm checked out

[bronze pike]

Who said they were squishy

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor have you done much sub yet?

[balmy condor]

I have not specced sub once since november

[velvet nacelle]

i spec'd it to set talents in prepatch

[storm hedge]

Did we figure out what's the problem with caustic in sims?

[balmy condor]

yes and it's already fixed

[velvet nacelle]

it seems like it's not simming well but i might give it a shot in some heroics tomorrow... which are so trivial it won't give me a sense of anything

[grim jay]

I basically said deathstalker closed the gap in survivability for the stuff people based the decision on (oneshots), so it probably isnt much of a topic anymore

Noone said they are squishy

[bronze pike]

Oh

[grim jay]

[storm hedge]

And out of curiosity can you explain or nah?

[midnight mist]

meh, sin is still on a 2 min cd, without vers, im not even sure how big that thing is

would have been good on outlaw for sure

[balmy condor]

this was set to just ab::get_school(), SCHOOL_NATURE so unless multi-school damage sources were whitelisted for caustic, they wouldn't work

so it got changed to check for common school

which then included a bunch of plague damage from deathstalker that didn't get picked up previously

[grim jay]

I mean you can now basically use both CDs for atleast something, have elusiveness aswell and have a bit more freedom on using vanish without taking a big hit. If you have a mechanic that happens frequently where only one thing is usable anyways it probably isnt much, ye, but idk if thats the case somewhere tbf

[storm hedge]

Makes sense, so it probably wouldn't pickup cosmic DMG from coin either (not sure if it spatters, but I remember you saying it is Nature DMG)

[balmy condor]

the coins were whitelisted previously

[velvet nacelle]

@grim jay i used to swear by elusiveness but generally i find that i'm either avoiding a one shot with a defensive, dead to it, or getting hit with the same raid-wides that our healers are using cds for so i stopped "wasting" energy on feint

i'm still generally lowest damage taken in my raids with or without it, playing with it just pads that stat more

[grim jay]

We are basically exclusively talking about m+

[midnight mist]

idk when you get to high keys, when these things start mattering, the big damage start happening often anyway, like idk take everbloom third boss where you had that fire guy doing fire every 30s or something, even 2nd boss, press a cd def everytime you get a cast on you, stuffs like that, having a shorter cd def is definitly very valuable

[velvet nacelle]

ahh gotcha, yeah i feint a lot in keys

[deep wave]

man im getting my shit kicked in on the dps meter for dungeons

[midnight mist]

raid is free you can go in here naked

[deep wave]

is there a rotation specifically for groups of mobs that die fast?

sould i just spam fok and crimson tempest?

[velvet nacelle]

dungeons don't matter atm but if you really want to pad right now make sure you're applying your dots with ID from stealth

[royal lantern]

would you say that outlaws deffensives are suddenly bad because deathstalker bait&switch exists

[velvet nacelle]

but lots of tanks won't let you restealth atm

[deep wave]

epeen purposes only

[grim jay]

You are literally just turning valid points into something stupid that isnt even remotely close to what was said

Kinda expected more from you

[balmy condor]

I mean it evens the playing field a little bit at least but probably not

[velvet nacelle]

generally speaking, in an ideal situation, you open from stealth with an ambush to apply deathstalker (if using it) then garrote, rupture, target something that isn't garroted and garrote it, do that again, then rupture

then fok/ct spam and mix in an occasional envenom to keep the buff up

[midnight mist]

guys no fighting !

[royal lantern]

congratz, you agree witz zac and me

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, this infighting is exactly what the sub rogues want us to be doing

[balmy condor]

I'm just trying to do the campaign man

[spice spire]

Too late

[midnight mist]

not having finished the campaign day one

[deep wave]

speaking of this, is there a foolproof way to quick target someone thats not bleeding yet for the 2nd round of garrote rupture?

[velvet nacelle]

nope

[deep wave]

:(

[balmy condor]

?????? there's a new chapter

[spice spire]

More campaign this week bud

[midnight mist]

oh

[velvet nacelle]

my friend and i rewrote the target grid as a weakaura

[midnight mist]

do i need to do it

[spice spire]

Yes

[midnight mist]

oh it gives renown doesnt it

[royal lantern]

but thats the basis?

like, idk, yes bait and switch is nerf worthy strong, but outlaw is so cracked in deffensives, the only reason it didnt get the nuke for it is because it was kinda low attention after 2 1/2 patches of god comp beeing the only thing

[velvet nacelle]

but then you can't target from it so you're just tabbing and hoping

[grim jay]

Yeah as I said, its arguably still tankier overall, but you atleast end up closer on the oneshot side.

[arctic tusk]

all content is optional

[spice spire]

Probably

[arctic tusk]

[spice spire]

Idk if you need to tbh

[midnight mist]

I need to for more renown !
im addicted to renown

I need to get my crests !

all my crests

i need 20 crafts before hc week !

[spice spire]

You need to get some bitches

[bronze pike]

[velvet nacelle]

that being said it's not CRITICAL to find a target without it, the 2 extra targets generally seem to try to get on targets that don't already have it

but not always

[midnight mist]

what for

[spice spire]

Good point

[bronze pike]

Tww story and world building pretty good tho

I’m pleasantly surprised

[velvet nacelle]

i found it very meh tbh

[grim jay]

Its not even remotely the basis. The basis was it got closer and the "cant survive oneshots" discrepancy, which was what most people cared about, potentially isnt a worthy point anymore. You just twisted and turned it into "outlaw survivability bad luls"

[velvet nacelle]

but i'm pretty picky on story

[midnight mist]

Ye same, was very meh (didnt read any text, skipped every cinematic)

[grim jay]

But why

Im in the renown hater gang

[midnight mist]

crafts

rn i can craft 10 items before hc week

per char

but you can get so much more !

[deep wave]

also for this part of the rotation, what does shiv provide that makes it ideal to use with tea?

scrolling over it its just nature damage

[grim jay]

But is it worth the grind?

[midnight mist]

yes why not

[royal lantern]

how did it get "closer" to that, when it got no changes in its deffensive kit/got some minor deff buffs in hero talents

[midnight mist]

day 1 hc

[bronze pike]

[glass hemlock]

hey smart wow friends, for anyone that hasn't completed the campaign, when you press M for map, what "chapter" are you on in the main campaign?

mine says The Hallowfall Arathi 1/3 chapters

and i've just hit level 78

[haughty flicker]

i woke up just a bit late to the cinema damn

[royal lantern]

is it a alt?

[glass hemlock]

nah main

following Azeroth Pilot Reloaded

[royal lantern]

well, you didnt do main sory then

[grim jay]

Idk I personally dont think its worth doing it, on the other hand there isnt much else to do

[proper ravine]

which embellishment are you using on dagger?

[midnight mist]

i mean

idk

[proper ravine]

which embellishment are you using on dagger?

[midnight mist]

i have nothing else to do tho

I also farmed comp stomp

wish i had more time to do that

i only capped out one char

isnt enoguh

[bronze pike]

I’m just casually grinding for fun

And getting renown passively

[velvet nacelle]

you guys are fighting over semantics on defensives when we really should be mad at blizzard for giving us another worthless week where we have time to debate semantics over defensives

[bronze pike]

Cause game fun

Nah

Unpopular opinion

[velvet nacelle]

here it comes

[midnight mist]

I like that we have time before heroic week

[royal lantern]

get out

[rotund jungle]

Yesterday there where bug fixes and also one DS bug fix.........still no ER DS fix xD

[bronze pike]

But it’s not really a worthless week

[grim jay]

You know what, if you are happy with that, then so be it. Everyone saying otherwise is probably just wrong

[bronze pike]

Season doesn’t and shouldn’t start immediately

[midnight mist]

Cause otherwise you always feel kinda behind if you arent a jobless grinder

[bronze pike]

That ^

[midnight mist]

i like that i can keep up with jobless grinders while having a job

[velvet nacelle]

ok it's not worthless, but i think it's too long

[midnight mist]

how cool

[royal lantern]

bro wtf are you even trying to say at that point lol

[grim jay]

Really? I dont as much. Kinda feels bad to even wait for m0

[velvet nacelle]

"keeping up" is a myth

[little tulip]

my paperwork is unfiled and i have the semester off actually

[bronze pike]

There’s like a lot of things to do

To even gear up

[glass hemlock]

so i'm literally still in the first chapter? far out

[bronze pike]

Something for everyone

[little tulip]

how did you know

[velvet nacelle]

and we need to stop coddling the people who demand that we create an environment where they can "keep up" when they have 9 kids and only get 7 and a half minutes a week to play

[little tulip]

what are you implying haha

[regal flower]

i don't understand step 2, need 5 or more combo point to activate marks

[midnight mist]

ye, cause i have multiple chars to prep for splits, and im not able to take days off being in school rn, so having time to do all the required stuffs, is cool

[bronze pike]

But these weeks before season starts

[velvet nacelle]

if you don't have as much time and aren't as skilled, you're going to be behind but you also shouldn't be comparing yourself to the top grinders. play at your pace and enjoy your pace

[bronze pike]

Doesn’t Hurt anyone

[midnight mist]

also why i think daily lockout m0 is a mistake

but maybe im wrong and m0 is irrelvant day 1

then it doesnt matter

[grim jay]

Ngl I dont wanna know how many people just go to the doc for season release

[regal flower]

can someone help me? 🙏

[royal lantern]

calling in sick for wow release

your boss does the same

[velvet nacelle]

never call in day one though

count on server issues

[normal mist]

Depends on with that

[velvet nacelle]

use your sick day for a better grinding day

[bronze pike]

Sin heads help him

I would

But not a sinhead

[royal lantern]

bonespike gives 1 cp for slice&dice, the finisher after ER is "if you hit a ER cp use it, otherwhise go 5+ like always"

[velvet nacelle]

i know you're right and i'm mainly memeing here, but i'm at the "ok i guess i'll do an alt" stage and i don't generally do alts heh

[grim jay]

Im just taking days off with the hours ive worked too much. Havent had a sick day in 4 years

Or I atleast still went to work

[velvet nacelle]

@grim jay i used to be like that but now i take "personal days" to use my sick time

[royal lantern]

yeha, dont do that

not healthy

[velvet nacelle]

the company doesn't reward you or care that you don't take a sick day

and if you go to work sick and make other people sick you're just costing the company more money and inconveniencing other people for no reason but ego

[little tulip]

last semester was my mental health semester, saved 3 terminal projects from other people

[grim jay]

Its the most german thing to do idk.

[velvet nacelle]

ahh you're one of those

i got a buddy i played destiny with in germany and he's the same way

heh

[little tulip]

had to not sprint or my head would have fallen off
butter is not a source of protein for 1000 kola nuts

[rotund jungle]

So you want to get 5+ Combo points after ER in Opener?

[velvet nacelle]

two examples ain't enough for me to say it's a culture thing, but the pattern is 2 for 2

[normal mist]

Yes

[rotund jungle]

cause i always just finished on the one that ER gave me ....someimes just 2

if ER would work right with the arks would be so freakin nice

[normal mist]

You want 5+ or blue cps for envenom duration

[arctic tusk]

does ER count for the 5+ deathstalker marks

[normal mist]

No

Not yet

[arctic tusk]

bruhh

[velvet nacelle]

not yet (maybe)

[arctic tusk]

this spec would be godlike

[rotund jungle]

we hope soon

[arctic tusk]

feeling wise

[grim jay]

I have my own office with decent space between the door and me, so noone asking will come too close without permission
Also I usually have more work staying home because noone does my work in the meantime

[normal mist]

WE KNOW

[velvet nacelle]

have we had confirmation that they're even going to fix that or is it just a "bug" to us?

[normal mist]

We don't no

[haughty flicker]

they've already messed with how it works

[arctic tusk]

but like it just reads incorrectly it would be crazy if its not fixed or at least addressed

[haughty flicker]

so clearly it isnt working how they want it to

[velvet nacelle]

@grim jay i know how that goes/feels (same situation with me) but i've found it's still good to create a boundary (and buffer)

like i used to consider a work week 40 hours of productivity, but between meetings and other distractions, that's not realistic

[serene wyvern]

heya, is it worth to craft Binding of Binding(embelisment ring) before wristis or boots?

[velvet nacelle]

but that also gives me a buffer if i do take a personal day

[little tulip]

it's a combo point versus an animacombo point though maybe it is working as intdend

[normal mist]

Probably not

Check pins

[royal lantern]

lass das mal brudi, dein chef kann dir die eier kraulen wenn du krank bist

[serene wyvern]

so first crafts should be wrists and boots?

[regal flower]

after ER i always stay with 2 combo points, use one mutilate?

[midnight mist]

Idk to me the benchmark of time needed spent needed vs like the time gating should be people with a job that play a lot, not people jobless that play all day
Idk if Im explaining myself properly but, I expect to be able to do get to do all the sweaty grinds while playing a lot but still having a job to sustain myself, if the only people being able to do that are jobless mfs it's a bit silly no?

[royal lantern]

use mut until you hit a charged cp or get 5+

[rotund jungle]

better 5 + so u use Mark right ?

or we just want the Envenom duration

[royal lantern]

yeha, fully agree tbh

like, many people forget that in wow, Time Investment is always the #1 thing, and not beeing able to no-life puts you on a disadventage quiet often

[royal lantern]

why would we skill ER and then not use it

[regal flower]

charged cp does not work with the mark having less than 5 combo points

[royal lantern]

yes, i know

[little tulip]

try using in heroics, it's a buff on your character

[rotund jungle]

cause for now it doesnt work with marks

[royal lantern]

YES I KNOW

[rotund jungle]

i only mean in opener

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Thats literally my issue with many asian games

[royal lantern]

again, we use it because we....use it when its avaible

[little tulip]

so you have a free 7cp cast to throw in there on rupture uptime or envenom

[midnight mist]

Ye and I think for now, this expac has done a good job with that, I have been able to keep up with the jobless people in my guild because they are time gated anyway

[royal lantern]

the only moment you ignore a ER Combo point, is if you play deathstalker and the capstone is ready

[midnight mist]

Granted I do play a lot

[grim jay]

How much is a lot to you btw

[royal lantern]

did heroics and put some Upgrades into stuff until all items where 580, made weapons 590, thats it

[midnight mist]

Every minute I'm not at work/school I play wow lol

Then I sleep

[little tulip]

just saying stuff dies really fast in normals especially this late in preseason, and ER might seem less useful

[cobalt bison]

do combo points matter when refreshing rupture

[regal flower]

then this would be correct?

[normal mist]

Yes

[royal lantern]

yes

[topaz isle]

yes

[velvet nacelle]

Absolutely fair, but i think there's two problems i see right now, and not just in wow: there's no "right" for the number of hours it takes to accomplish X in a given game. Something that takes 40 hours is easy to do in a week with no job, but might take someone with a job (and an addiction) 2-3 weeks. We're having a hard time settling on what's a "fair" target in the industry right now (should it take 40 hours to get "raid ready"? 60? 20? 5?) and then we're scheduling around that. Let's say it takes 15 hours to go from 70 to ready for heroic raid (which feels about right)... they're basing the release of content around someone that has 7 hours a week to play... but why? If they can't be ready on day one then who cares, they'll raid when they're ready... but the guy that had 40 hours and doesn't want to play alts now has "dead time".
Secondly, the industry is facing a huge push from "casual" players who think they deserve to have the same rewards (on the same schedule) as the people who play way more than them and are more skilled. The same people who will complain that "there's no way they can be ready for raid day one and it's not fair that a streamer that plays full time will be"... but they don't NEED to play on day one while the streamer makes their living on playing content that keeps their audience engaged (new content is the easiest selling point for that)

[royal lantern]

holy wall of text

what a jumpscare

[normal mist]

Are you also mobile?

[royal lantern]

yes

[normal mist]

Because I felt the same

XDDD

[velvet nacelle]

haha sorry

i have thoughts!

[midnight mist]

I play like from 6/7pm to 1 am during workdays, and idk 9/11am to 3/4am during weekends

[distant plinth]

Too long, didnt even bother to read it🤣

[velvet nacelle]

i could talk about this topic FOR HOURS

[normal mist]

You're free to

[grim jay]

But what would you say are the average h pay day that you would start considering a lot

[velvet nacelle]

thanks for coming to my TED talk, help yourself to bagels and donuts in the back

[cobalt bison]

do combo points matter when refreshing rupture

[midnight mist]

What I do is already a shitton

[normal mist]

5+

[midnight mist]

Half what I do I would consider a lot

[grim jay]

Thats kinda a lot a lot for weekdays

[midnight mist]

Ye right

[normal mist]

5+

[cobalt bison]

amen

[midnight mist]

Well I'm obviously not always 100% playing right

[normal mist]

Always always always finish 5+ unless anima charged combo point

[velvet nacelle]

and, for the record, i work full time, go to the gym every day, cook myself dinner and play wow until way too late

[midnight mist]

Sometimes I take breaks doing some other stuffs cause cba

[normal mist]

Or to force DN from deathstalker

[midnight mist]

But it's the time I can play and will if I enjoy myself enough

[prime cairn]

same except just the last part

[grim jay]

I think it would already be fine if you can roughly keep up with jobless people if you play like 3h a day, maybe longer on raiddays

Which is probably mostly possible

[midnight mist]

3h??

[velvet nacelle]

"keeping up" shouldn't be part of the conversation

[midnight mist]

I mean that's nothing

[velvet nacelle]

unless it's "keeping up with my friends that i play with"

[grim jay]

Ye but should be enough if you only play 1 char and maybe an alt on the side

[velvet nacelle]

if you play 3h a day there's no way you should be able to keep up with someone that plays 4h a day

that's just life, someone who puts in more time and energy will get more back from it

[midnight mist]

I mean

To me it's just

It should be like any other game

[velvet nacelle]

this idea that i should be on an equal playing field with someone who can play 2x as much as me is pure insanity

[midnight mist]

I don't need to be jobless to play any other game e

[velvet nacelle]

you don't need to be jobless to play this

if you want to mythic raid on day one then you need to schedule life differently than someone who would like to see a normal kill by the end of the season

but we're listening to the people who would like to see a normal kill by the end of the season to the detriment of the person who's going for CE hall of fame

[royal lantern]

???

[prime cairn]

aren't raids gonna have a story mode now? i'm guessing people will do that and go back to whatever

[velvet nacelle]

we're padding time and time gating access to things to let people "catch up"

[midnight mist]

Idk I feel like rn wow is in an ok state, you can be Hof and more without being jobless

[sullen fjord]

On how many targets should we maintain Crimson Tempest? On wowhead it says 2+, but Whispyr said on his last guide it’s 3+

[midnight mist]

Just a good gamer with a bit of time

[haughty flicker]

i genuinely want to know why the two weeks is suddenly a big deal

when it wasnt the last two expansions

[velvet nacelle]

oh i've felt like this every expansion, it's more just the trend across this and many other games makes it more and more baffling to me

[normal mist]

Just use on 3+ like FoK

[velvet nacelle]

this is the most i've talked about it in this discord

[haughty flicker]

yeah i dont mean just you, just in general this has been popping up a bunch

[royal lantern]

idk same

[velvet nacelle]

let me flip the question

someone said "it doesn't hurt" to have a week for people to catch up

but who does it genuinely hurt to slide the schedule up a week? to have raid and m0 this week?

[midnight mist]

Me

[little tulip]

I mean got a's and b's in a nutrition program late in df season 3 and finishied with a modest 2.6k raider io. I was happy with my results.

[velvet nacelle]

why does it hurt you? if you aren't ready just don't do it this week

how is it ANY different if it's available to everyone else this week because you're goign to play at your own pace no matter what

[midnight mist]

Lol

[little tulip]

i'd be a third year if it wasn't for this paperwork kerfuffle but yyeah if you're happy with the results that's what counts

[royal lantern]

you know that it doesnt work that way, please dont pretend it does

[haughty flicker]

because people have guilds and friend groups they plan to enjoy content with

if they cant do it but the rest can you simply get left behind

[midnight mist]

So the only people that would be ready are jobless that play 20 jours a day tho

[velvet nacelle]

so those guilds and friend groups can start "next week"

[midnight mist]

How does th take sense

[prime cairn]

it really isn't about hurting, and blizzard attempting player retention so everyone doesn't just blow through content and leave the game en masse

[haughty flicker]

brother these people are actively competing for stuff like hof

they cant just start a week later

but how does it hurt anyone by having the two weeks

[grim tangle]

people prefer not feeling rushed to do things

[haughty flicker]

you know the two weeks are going to be there

[velvet nacelle]

my point is that the vast majority of the ones who ARE competing for hof ARE ready

[royal lantern]

like, sorry man, but the entire thing you rn is making a elephant out of a fly for no reason

[haughty flicker]

if you dont want to subscribe during that time, you dont have to

[velvet nacelle]

@royal lantern sort of like debating defensives 🙂

[royal lantern]

yes, thats how many people?

[grim tangle]

I like actually reading teh quests and following the story, I wouldn't be able to do that with one week

[velvet nacelle]

and, to be clear, i'm NOT competing for hof, i dont' mythic raid anymore

i'm playing devils advocate because it's an interesting topic ot me

[midnight mist]

I mean I wouldn't be that ready if it started tomorrow

Cause I have been working

[distant plinth]

What does this have to do with assa?🤣

[midnight mist]

And I would have felt rushed

[little tulip]

offtopic is for cat memes and !vibe

[haughty flicker]

assa has always been offtopic

[velvet nacelle]

it... uh... shut up! 🙂

[drifting cloud]

Its been 2 weeks since mop, get over it

[haughty flicker]

nothing new here

[distant plinth]

Everything you are doing now is useless next week anyways

Who gives a F

[velvet nacelle]

@distant plinth yeah, it's a 'dead week' for a lot of mains

it's an alt week

hopefully you enjoy playing alts

[little tulip]

get all 3 soujourns and the 584 rep gear or it doesn't count

[distant plinth]

Finished with 8 alts already dont think

[velvet nacelle]

jeez, 8?

[prime cairn]

we will be swallowed by our sun, but evaporated before that, assuming some other disaster does not befall us, then the heat death of the universe, as entropy wins, the only winning move is to let xal'atath win and offer to be her footstool

[velvet nacelle]

someone's a xal'atath stan

[little tulip]

release them hogs

barf

[royal lantern]

nah, not me

im built different

[prime cairn]

everything is pointless though

[velvet nacelle]

and to be perfectly clear, i'm not 100% on board with the arguments i'm making, like i said, just an interesting debate and i wanted to see what other people would say in response

[royal lantern]

heat death of the universe? just put a blanket on

[velvet nacelle]

hope = delayed disappointment

accept your disappointment now and never hope for anything

[distant plinth]

Are you from china

[velvet nacelle]

my family is, i was born and raised in the good ol US of A and it is way too late for me to be doing this devil's advocate thing on the internet haha

[distant plinth]

Ahaaa US and A

[little tulip]

i dunno i'm almost 580, gonna do pvp for a week i think

[velvet nacelle]

this conversation really was a stretch for me though, this topic is way more interesting in the context of like... SBMM or something

[little tulip]

try and get that ara ara trinket and maybe play some cs2 it's a nice week i definitely don't have 140 blender projects to bake uvmaps to and a checklist of stuff to ship a cs2 level out

bring on the heat death 😄

[velvet nacelle]

interesting you'd bring up blender

[distant plinth]

Open world pvp is fun🤣

[velvet nacelle]

that's my side project this week

[distant plinth]

Spent the whole day yesterday ganking a 70 priest

[velvet nacelle]

since i can rededicate time to an old project since i dont' have much to do in wow other than alts

scaling is so broken for 70 rogues right now

it's insanity

well... for everyone

[royal lantern]

SBMM is proven to be good for everyone, and most people against it legit just hate losing, which is a insane mindset in PvP games

[velvet nacelle]

@royal lantern you citing the activision study from recently?

also, for the record, i'm a pro SBMM guy

but i don't think you can make the argument that it's "good for everyone" or else there wouldn't be a debate

but it's way too late for this conversation heh, i'll be happy to dive in to this another time tho

i'll say this though: all the people (streamers) who whine about SBMM ruining games then getting on xdeviant (with no SBMM) and getting DESTROYED was incredibly amusing to me. "if you aren't finding easy games, you ARE the easy game"

[tawny geyser]

Still early for spark or I can go ahead and craft Feet 606?

[balmy condor]

would suggest not crafting feet

[haughty flicker]

thats definitely not true, people love arguing against things that are good for them

[balmy condor]

hold onto your spark

[haughty flicker]

though i wont pick a side for this specific context

[tawny geyser]

Sure boss, I'll wait for your Pin then 🙂

[haughty flicker]

bc i dont know enough about it

[thin gate]

the people complaining about sbmm are those who think theyre top 1% when theyre not

[velvet nacelle]

"good for them" is subjective. a streamer thinking that if they aren't dominating in every pvp game they'll lose viewership would have a different definition than someone who wants to get better at the game

[haughty flicker]

im speaking of in general

[velvet nacelle]

vs the casual dad that has 7.34 minutes per week to play games because of his 9 kids

[haughty flicker]

not this specific instance

since like i said, idk enough about it

[velvet nacelle]

fair enough heh

[haughty flicker]

because i rarely play sbmm games

[velvet nacelle]

i do find it interesting that the "self regulation" that happens IRL, like in basketball at a big gym doesn't happen online

[midnight mist]

what is sbmm

[little tulip]

skill based matchmaking

[velvet nacelle]

i've played at gyms that were like 4 full court games going on at a time and invariably there's always an "A" court (for the best players) down to a "D" court (for the more casual players)

[thin gate]

seratted bone some assa ability

[midnight mist]

thats ever argued against ??

[velvet nacelle]

nice try ryluk, we're too far off the tracks now

it's my personal opinion that people who argue against it are mediocre players who think they can dominate if they aren't forced to play with people of their level

and they want to dominate

[thin gate]

yh thats 100% true

[little tulip]

when it gets taken too far and you have a lot of frothy gamers in the mountains of the midwestern us yeah

[velvet nacelle]

the fact that they don't know they're in a low skill tier makes them think they're gods

big fish, little itty bitty pond

[thin gate]

ppl played cod without sbmm against some family fathers on their day offs and thought omg im rdy for em pro teams

[royal lantern]

oooohhh yes lol, every shooter ever has a VERY vocal group about it

[velvet nacelle]

one fair argument against SBMM though is that it's nice to play sometimes and not care

just have a relaxing "fuck around" game

and if you're always matching against poeple at your skill level you always "have to try"

[limber lion]

[stable hamlet]

guys good morning anyone can enlight me in aoe rotation cuz im using ambush -garote rupture spam,restealth ambush garote rupter spam ,7 combo point crimson,and than spam fan of knives envenom,but like this my caustic spatter does not appear in recount at all should i do some other rotation cuz i see that ppl does have caustic spatter as 3rd ability on recount

[fallen arch]

Wow recount

[velvet nacelle]

going back to the basketball example: i'm a solid player, usually play on the A court if i want to improve or B court if i want competition, but sometimes i'll play with my friends on the lower skill courts but i don't try to score every bucket, i play a different style and joke around more

[limber lion]

You need to Mutilate/Ambush the target when it has both Garrote, Rupture and Lethal Poison on it.

So if you only Ambush/Mutilate before you apply the bleeds, you're not gonna get a spatter

[royal lantern]

only rupture+deadly

garrote not needed

[limber lion]

Oh yeh

Oopsie

Ruppie + Lethal

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[velvet nacelle]

with SBMM you're always forced into "try hard full competition" mode really

[limber lion]

Anyways, look here for rotations

[velvet nacelle]

and with that, i'm done taking the ass channel off topic for the night

[normal mist]

It's almost midday

[fallen arch]

Its past midday

[haughty flicker]

its not even 7 am yet

[midnight mist]

dw assa is always off topic

[little tulip]

it's 6pm

won't someone boost me 1st week

[fallen arch]

Go away pirate

[velvet nacelle]

ass lovers you can get back to your regularly scheduled programming ())

[midnight mist]

its almost 1pm

[little tulip]

[velvet nacelle]

ok that did not render correctly

[balmy condor]

it's 3:40am

[velvet nacelle]

(_)_)

[grim jay]

How about asian mmorpgs

[limber lion]

1:42pm

[midnight mist]

idk maybe they are bad

[limber lion]

fuck I have work in 80minutes

and I still haven't eaten or showered

[midnight mist]

and shouldnt be an example

[limber lion]

gg

[little tulip]

yeah like faceit for cs2 has been really good for cs2

[proud pelican]

It’s 6:43am

[grim jay]

Some are honestly good and that topic is the thing holding them back

Because they think grinding all day is the norm.

[little tulip]

there used to be esea leagues for cod4 but idk when MLG died all that went up or something

[grim jay]

[midnight mist]

ye but its silly isnt it

and then you end up having pay to win mechanics in these games anyway

cause normal people still want to be able to play the game

[grim jay]

Ye they are just fishing for the dads money

Basically

[midnight mist]

well wow isnt

so ye

[grim jay]

But then again it doesnt even out at all because the grinder can pay aswell

[little tulip]

cod's so big the sponsors would make the ladder too expensive for midwestern mountain gamers and stuff i think, cod as a disposable game and stuff etc

[midnight mist]

time gating is good when done properly

[grim jay]

Ye bcs they dont even have that many people grinding at the end of the day. Older community overall does that to you, which is good. Many people are focused on games valueing your time, but they also gotta value the life around it, which wow currently does more than most other mmorpgs still ig

[royal lantern]

in destiny, people complained about time gating so much that the next season will release all content immediatly at day1

im curious how it will go tbh, cus it will probably be really negative

[grim jay]

Or idk how it is with ffxiv actually

[haughty flicker]

i havent played destiny in so long

[midnight mist]

i mean it always depends tho

[haughty flicker]

but literally every time i hear about it its "the game is so shit right now"

[midnight mist]

like idk how destiny works

[haughty flicker]

then its "next expac will save the game"

then it just repeats

[midnight mist]

but for wow you need pre requisites that takes time to be able to do the content

[grim jay]

Sounds like every game. You have those people everywhere

[midnight mist]

you cant go in mythic raid day one if you havent grinded stuffs before

which is where time gating is good imo

[royal lantern]

its dying

like, not the ussual "game ded gg" clickbait bs

its heading for full maintenance mode

[haughty flicker]

sure but not to the extent ive seen in the destiny community

[midnight mist]

otherwise rn you would ahve mega sweats being on last boss of the raid

[haughty flicker]

yeah, thats what surprises me because i feel like it was dying years ago

but i keep hearing about it lmao

[midnight mist]

while nomral people (even the ones playing a lot) havent even started

[haughty flicker]

its too bad too bc i did really enjoy d1 and d2 at first

when is d3 coming out

[little tulip]

also i take it back faceit is in cod which is also cool but that's literally just in 2024

[royal lantern]

the thing is

we had the "great finale of the story" and then they went full silent, no information what is actually happening in 10months when the seasons are over

the only thing known is: a leak that says "all expansions will be drasticaly reduce in size and focus on repeatable content" and "the game has the 2nd highest player drop in its history"

oh, and over 50% of the workforce was laid off

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats not a good sign

[visual hemlock]

assa not recieved any changes, so it works as intended

[arctic socket]

At least sub is getting some love

[kindred oriole]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallen arch]

Meanwhile we have to live with DN not working with ER, nice

[arctic socket]

We still not another week

[hot fulcrum]

Just took 1,5h out of my work time to fully watch A-Z m+ video and I don't regret. That was amazing @balmy condor Thank you so much

[spice surge]

"love"

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

[shy marten]

ye whispyr ur guide was super good

loved the part about the stealth thingy

[spice surge]

Ye the literal dozen of people out there in the world with 2 sub rogues in their group now can go deathstalker both of them without it being buggy

[arctic socket]

At least that got fixed

Poor ole sin though

:((

[spice surge]

They fixed this bug for sin like 2 weeks ago

[arctic socket]

Yeah but er Sadge

[austere sorrel]

If they made darkest night work with ER I'd be so happy

[spice surge]

ER just feels bad, its not that impactful in terms of actual damage

[arctic socket]

Gonna get remodeled judgement / bloodfang before we get ER fix

[arctic socket]

You don’t believe it’s gonna be really impactful with damage with mark application / consummation?

[spice surge]

Its like 1.5% or so

[storm hedge]

So just like our tier set.

[dapper cradle]

I gooned to that m+ a-z vod

Excellent