assassination

[fringe oxide]

[normal mist]

I have a birds mobile security system

[fringe oxide]

Are there cameras in the birds?

[normal mist]

That sentence made zero sense now that I read it.
I have an anti birds system at home *

I have 4 cats

[fringe oxide]

Aaaaah

Active bird hunters?

Or birdwatchers?

[normal mist]

Give them a bird and they will toy with him while he fights for his life

[jaunty matrix]

depends on the size of the birb

[dawn kelp]

hows earthen looking for rogue

[normal mist]

Bad

They look ugly

[marble hemlock]

youre playing a nightelf

[fringe oxide]

Stones cannot move silently

[marble hemlock]

ofc you hate dwarves

[runic hinge]

Since we’re sharing birds

[normal mist]

Wrong

[balmy condor]

STUART

WOOWOO

[silk bane]

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[fringe oxide]

Wooowooo

[marble hemlock]

what are you playing now?

[normal mist]

Human since the start of S4

[marble hemlock]

they hate dwarves too tbf

kinda everyone does, so my point stands regardless

[normal mist]

Played belf S1 and S2 and nelf S3

[fringe oxide]

What's the situation for dps output in raids between the hero talents?

[runic hinge]

They’re close

[jaunty matrix]

[fringe oxide]

Do we know already from testing if deathstalker will be unusable?

[jaunty matrix]

woo woo

[balmy condor]

similar, deahtstalker higher

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[balmy condor]

what

[fringe oxide]

Because the juggling of the mark is doing my head in in mythic plus

[normal mist]

Then play coinsbound

[runic hinge]

Stu is a good boy. He only bit my ankle one time last week

[jaunty matrix]

a flesh tribute

to his name

be proud

its a big honor

[fringe oxide]

You mentioned something about non targetable bosses and losing the mark or capstone or so? Think it was also happening in mists?

[balmy condor]

yeh but that's very rare and they've been fixing stuff

won't be an issue in raid

[fringe oxide]

I still feel like I can't touch the first mob faster than they get me out of stealth with aoe damage in heroic dungeons sometimes. Is this just me being bad and attacking too slowly?

[jaunty matrix]

never had such an issue

[fringe oxide]

Maybe it is just me

[balmy condor]

mix of skill issue and heroics just full slamming 24/7

[jaunty matrix]

only minor setback is back2back pulls with no pause to restealth

[balmy condor]

probably a bug or two in there as well

cause jank

[jaunty matrix]

which will probably never be fixed

[cunning needle]

press sprint and shadow step

[fringe oxide]

It feels better than skill issue

[jaunty matrix]

or maybe they get fixed half way through s2 when they rework rogue

[fringe oxide]

I am racing the tanks

[jaunty matrix]

[fringe oxide]

Believe me

[cunning needle]

first pull can be rough sometimes depending on instance

since mobs can randomly just hit you out of stealth

[fringe oxide]

Phew

[spark rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fringe oxide]

That seems like my experience

I thought it only happened to me

I played 3 hours of dungeons and after the first two I started getting frustrated with myself or the game. I didn't know which one I should be.

[vernal oyster]

was there a new small optimization for fatebound or did i just have a strange dream?

[heavy sentinel]

so is outlaw the highest simming spec?

[fringe oxide]

Also because I often garote from stealth. Stupid muscle memory

[balmy condor]

yes

[heavy sentinel]

oh hot

[balmy condor]

dream I guess idk

[jaunty matrix]

yes because of the way outlaw works

[spark rain]

Isn’t it assuming you get perfect procs?

[jaunty matrix]

it has no downtime

at all

its dummies

[heavy sentinel]

yea thats fair

[jaunty matrix]

and outlaw makes the most out of no downtime in a fight

[fringe oxide]

Aren't all rogue specs bound by uptime?

[loud dome]

man what are all these stealth bugs, i remember just mistweavers getting you out of stealth but now it's just random stuff, and a lot more often

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Yes but outlaw is especially egregious because of their cdr. Sub too

[fringe oxide]

Ah I see

[runic hinge]

But definitely all 3 want uptime

[jaunty matrix]

please make it so sub is not the raid spec

[fringe oxide]

Whispyr do you have gameplay of you running dungeons with deathstalker? I would like to see how you manage the hero talent.

[balmy condor]

uhhh

don't think I do

been mostly playing fatebound

[fringe oxide]

What makes you play that? If I might ask

[balmy condor]

idk I don't see a point being sweaty and I enjoy assa

I probably have to play deathstalker for min-max later

might as well play fatebound now and just have fun

[fringe oxide]

I fuck with that

Thanks for being my moral guide

[cunning needle]

if you dropped the a from the end of that, it would have been an excellent quote

[balmy condor]

np homie

[balmy condor]

close one

[cunning needle]

we'll get you next time

[novel star]

“assa”

[jaunty matrix]

did the eu servers just go down ?

[novel star]

sin supremacy

[slim tundra]

its maintenance d

[jaunty matrix]

noooo

i wanted to play a bit

sadge

[slim tundra]

they may come up quick

[jaunty matrix]

doesn't maintenance normally last hours ?

oh well

[slim tundra]

not always no

[jaunty matrix]

it is what it is

thanks

[normal mist]

Any paladin enjoyer?

https://x.com/warcraft/status/1831121375810965973?s=46&t=DyQVyHZ9L7OuHUFrJoa19Q

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Twitter · Sep 4, 2024, 12:05 AM

[ashen rover]

Paladin hater

[normal mist]

If they remaster judgment

There's the possibility

Of bloodfang getting remastered too

[waxen oyster]

I just associate judgement

with boomers ngl

[normal mist]

I'm a boomer

What's a boomer?

[waxen oyster]

you dont play male human ret

and praise how good vanilla was

[normal mist]

Oh that's a boomer? Yeah I'm not a boomer

I started in tbc

[waxen oyster]

alot of wow players tbh

started early on

but never touched endgame

[normal mist]

My first endgame was wotlk

But I was too young to understand things properly

[somber sparrow]

do all dawnthread lining qualities provide the same result, just reduces difficulty of the craft the better it is

[normal mist]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you’re not likely to get 590

with a r1 dawnthread

[somber sparrow]

+5 difficulty at rank 3 versus +25 difficulty at rank 1

[normal mist]

Yeah it adds up

[somber sparrow]

right right, but at least the embellishment is the same! 😄

[normal mist]

You'd be forced to use concentration

Yeah that's true

[vital bison]

Hi, probably stupid question, but my fiance is feral kitty and mentioned that his bleeds tick faster based on haste. Is there such a thing for sin as well?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[vital bison]

I'm swapping to Sin after being outlaw/combat for a long time so learning the intricacies of it

Okay, thank you! Just was debating between some things and when he mentioned that to me I was like

[cunning needle]

!stats

!haste

????????????

[vital bison]

I did just recently namechange tonight

[cunning needle]

!design

[vital bison]

so that may affect things?

[cunning needle]

!dn

[vital bison]

I also haven't linked anything on here in a LONG time; I mostly read the FAQ and say, "good enough" lol. I'm intimidated a lot haha

[cunning needle]

moroes deadge?

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target}

not exactly what youre asking but half relevant

[shy pecan]

you killed it, didn't you?

[cunning needle]

snitches get stitches

[shy pecan]

smh my head

[vital bison]

Appreciate the breakdown!

[storm forum]

Haste increases the number of ticks and their frequency of our DoTs, it's passive and not really noticeable.

[normal mist]

@balmy condor wake up monroes

[balmy condor]

not my bot

[normal mist]

Dang it

[cunning needle]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec.
If you're looking for a quick recommendation:
Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility
It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

there's also this

[shy pecan]

Moroes, at least spell his name right

[storm forum]

but it doesn't make them tick out faster/make them shorter or anything

[normal mist]

I'm on the phone

[shy pecan]

EXCUSES

[normal mist]

This shit keeps autocorrecting

[vital bison]

Absolutely; and I wasn't looking at stacking haste at all; it was more general curiousity about the bleed ticks because I didn't remember it being that way when I last played sin in Panda

[cunning needle]

tl;dr dont fall down a path thinking you need X breakpoint of stat when playing assi

[drifting cloud]

yeah I believe it got changed ... I wanna say bfa?

[vital bison]

but I really do appreciate y'all's input and not judgding haha

[storm forum]

iirc, this was a change back in legion/bfa pre-patch, because before then haste gave us very little

[vital bison]

Yea, that's about when feral got redone as well I believe and when he mentioned it changed and we wondered if it had been changed for Sin as well

[shy pecan]

Something something partial ticks something something @limber lion

[normal mist]

Yep. More haste = more dots ticks

[cunning needle]

does that increase more energy from venomous wounds?

[normal mist]

If it ticks more

You receive more energy probably

[storm forum]

yes, but it's pretty small

[cunning needle]

[cerulean nest]

we’re never getting the bug fix are we

[spice spire]

Every day someone asks it adds a day to it being fixed

[cerulean nest]

this was more of a rhetorical question, it doesn’t count

[storm forum]

is the bug the ER/deathstalker interaction?

[balmy condor]

there is no other major bug

that's been "the" bug

for like

4 months

[storm forum]

oh, I assumed there was more

ngl that's pretty good for week 1

wait is it week 2 now?

[balmy condor]

there are more bugs but ER is a clear gameplay and balancing issue

[storm forum]

ok

[runic hinge]

It’s actually week -1

[storm forum]

[dark token]

fuck i forgot my epic bg quest

and its 4 am eu time

...

n oway i find 80 people for an epic bg now right

[storm forum]

good luck o7

[runic hinge]

Are you playing rogue this tier bestie?

[storm forum]

I'm priesting to start. Seeing how long until my guild realizes my shadow is beyond fraudulent and forces me to heal or play rogue.

[runic hinge]

I keep debating shadow but I don’t like it in raid that much. I feel so slow.

The rest of the content it’s so good tho. Love it.

[storm forum]

Both hero talents are rly fun imo. Machine gunning big halos and zooming black hole really tickle my brain.

I don't really mind the long channels.

[runic hinge]

Mf insanity being 1 second now feels amazing

[storm forum]

Oh yeah

[runic hinge]

I like void form more than DA but what can you do

[storm forum]

Makes counting out GCDs in VE easy too.

I think VE is the play this tier for most content

There's a Void DA build that's good for low m+ but it's looking like VE is the play in raid and higher m+

[runic hinge]

I like da cause it’s one minute but I think the wings look worse than VE. I wish I could have void form look with DA lol

[storm forum]

I don't like DA at all

[mint urchin]

Is it worth using CT in ST when running it for dungeons?

Or do you just skip it

[jaunty matrix]

are eu servers back from maintenance ?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[limber moth]

do i need to reapply bleeds after deathmark?

[unborn narwhal]

no

[limber moth]

or does it buff bleeds already on a target

[unborn narwhal]

yes

[raven night]

does kingsbane count as a weapon poison or is that only wound/amp/deadly

[jaunty matrix]

thanks

nice

time to play a little

[unborn narwhal]

KB itself is not amplified by deathmark, but its damage will ramp up because other poisons are doubled

[raven night]

was looking at this point

[unborn narwhal]

euh, id say it isn't 🤔

[strange python]

for crafted gear.. do I just use 3 star quality materials for everything? does it matter if I use the 1 or 2 star

[bitter badger]

depends on the crafter I think, they can use concentrations to craft quality items

[dark token]

its not

weapon poisons are those on ur weapons

"poison" usually includes kingsbane + caustic spatter +envenom + poison bomb

[dawn heath]

caustic spatter must be bugged in sims or the APL plays wrong

i am doing more dps than the sim

by like 20%

[runic depot]

Hi guys in AOE when I’m opening garrote x 2 > rup x 2 > garrote x 2, are you guys sending these into the same target and splashing with IC or tab targeting to find new targets per cast

I’ve been splashing off the one target but not sure

[earnest remnant]

Dslice sims arent for seeing how much dmg you should do in dungeons

[dawn heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eARJn9mvjMW4yFPhHsiYH9 APL 2min no buffs (5 targets just like the dummies)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1280399594018308137/image.png?ex=66d8994b&is=66d747cb&hm=57f8323db3baea356fd922482e65f8a917218945c35cb381e49b44611c6bf8c5& my ingame dps after 2minutes

i am doing more than 2x caustic damage compared to APL

but abit lower on other sources

maybe its just coded wrong

clearly caustic does more damage than higher rupture uptime or CT

[earnest remnant]

keep in mind sims arent a static time

[maiden matrix]

!wa

[earnest remnant]

there is variance in time

anyway, this dude is gonna be able to help more than i can @balmy condor

[runic depot]

Anyone able to help me out or direct me somewhere I can find an answer?

[runic hinge]

Depends on how many targets there are

[runic depot]

say mass AOE like 10+

[runic hinge]

But also most of the time I send them into the same target because it’s pretty niche min max. You’re missing 3 garrotes and 1 rupture for not switching but that would be if there was 12 targets to garrote

[runic depot]

right okay so pretty minor good to know thanks

[runic hinge]

Yeah and like you’re not gonna have a ton of 10+ pulls so I mean you’re not missing a ton of damage for those few pulls a dungeon you would actually benefit

[calm nymph]

worth using?

[turbid nymph]

Are they ever going to fix deathstalker bugs or its considered not bug ?

[dawn heath]

he looked at my log yday when i was doing dummy stuff and his innitial assesment was that i may be bugged doing too much damage with caustic, however the conclusion was that it works fine. and thats why i presume that the apl is wrong

i am out dpsing the apl by 20% while also not playing perfectly

making a few mistakes

[earnest remnant]

highly doubt its the apl, being 20% off

[jolly heath]

are your dummies at 0% hp

so you are in execute range

[dawn heath]

no this is aoe

5 targets

full hp

[median root]

out dps the apl consistently 10000 times with no changes first, then we can talk about it being "wrong". you cannot take a handful of cases vs 10000+ sim iterations.

[dawn heath]

i will beat the apl every time

[median root]

there are many factors that will skew such a small set

[dawn heath]

i tried a bunch of times

its just not prioritising the correct things

i think whoever coded the apl has done it wrong on cleave

[earnest remnant]

well that would be whispyr

[median root]

then read the apl and find the bits you think are wrong 🤷‍♂️

[jolly heath]

did you compare your casts vs simc?

[mild copper]

Hey guys, any update on embellishments? Or it is still better wait to s1 to start?

[earnest remnant]

its always better to wait, until you actually need them

[dawn heath]

comparing right now

[earnest remnant]

you never know when they are gonna do a lil suprise tuning

[dawn heath]

-2 casts CT - 5 casts rupture +6 casts envemom + 7 casts FOK mutilate same -7 casts garrote

20% higher damage

so in general

im trading bleed uptime for caustic envenoms

[echo latch]

Is there a prebis for season 1?

Or just blues with crit/mast on them?

[molten sail]

hey guys, quick question, maybe it has been asked before but why dont delaying KB at the end of DM for the juicy 30% buff from deathstalker (it should only cost a bonus KB use if fight length is more than 7.5 minutes)

[earnest remnant]

you loose out on 2x poison applications from DM

[molten sail]

from what ? oO

[earnest remnant]

DM dublicates them

[chilly laurel]

you apply 2x poisons and ramp faster durring dm

[molten sail]

hooo yeah

mb

ofc

dumb question

was only thinking about the bleed dup xD

tyty

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iBOttYJOkCULXQHhk/d13377yHQuF8?invite=cr-MSxUTW4sMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

if u wanna see

[runic hinge]

I don’t think the apl is optimized to hit 5 targets consistently for 2 minutes straight

It’s like dslice isn’t a perfect optimization or representation of a dungeon but it’s the best we have

[dawn heath]

arent there different apl's for different amount of targets?

or is there a default set of rules?

that it just follows?

[dark token]

link ur sim

[dawn heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eARJn9mvjMW4yFPhHsiYH9

this is a 2min sim no buffs

[earnest remnant]

its not a different APL there are just measures in it for different target counts

[radiant kettle]

Is it possible to macro 1 button to cast shadow step and then when I am within melee range of the target cast ambush? I am trying to make a Wish version of Shadowstrike

[dark token]

...

[jolly heath]

yeah I just did a 2 min 5 target dummies as well, I cast the same amount of envenom as simc but my caustic did way higher

[dawn heath]

ye caustic is undersimming

maybe its intended to avoid nerfs 🧠

[storm hedge]

I doubt that's the reason. There's either bugged in-game interaction or it's bugged in the APL.

[strange python]

is thistle tea mastery snapshot only?

[jolly heath]

maybe they did something in the hotfix that affected caustic

or was it always like this, i didnt sim aoe lately lol

[earnest remnant]

it doesent snapshot

just buffs for its duration

[novel star]

the only snapshot on sin is improved garrote i think

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[novel star]

cause snapshotting is dumb and cringe

and rogue devs are BASED

or something

[strange python]

oh ok. so I can press it after I put bleeds up

[dawn heath]

weird

it was splitting for me when i played it

[earnest remnant]

just gonna nitpick for the sake of nitpicking, but it wouldnt be bugged in the APL (Action priority list) it would be in the actual simc coding

[dawn heath]

ye i mean it seems to be numerically wrong somewhere

[jolly heath]

this means the number of hits right?

ingame caustic hits way higher

from details

[vagrant moss]

is there a WA to track Clear the witnesses?

[earnest remnant]

its just a simple buff, so yeah there would be some, i know a few of the packs linked here have it tracked

but the bot is dead

[vagrant moss]

found it, its in the templates available in WA

[iron valve]

oddly, if you click into the html report, it has a different breakdown

[earnest remnant]

in the preview it groups a bunch of them

[iron valve]

oh, duh

[balmy condor]

yes I'm talking to some people and looking into it, it's not all that simple to track this down

[storm hedge]

Any suspects?

[balmy condor]

don't wanna put something out into the world and have it be wrong

but sims seem to be wrong

[dawn heath]

damn and i thought iwas good at the class

[storm hedge]

Suggestion. Keep it like that so blizz devs think we have low DPS

[earnest remnant]

blizzard do have access to ingame data uknow

[dawn heath]

better to just sandbag your performance

[storm hedge]

Should've put /s in there

[jolly heath]

Just let it be this way so I can feel good about myself for beating a computer

https://tenor.com/view/andy-bernard-the-office-dance-celebrate-woo-gif-16554183

[dawn heath]

the apl is likely to increase by like 20%+-

high roll rng and good gameplay can make u beat the computer regardless though

atleast on the average iteration

u will probably never beat the top iteration it does

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it should be entirely reasonable to beat the sim every now and then

if you can never beat the sim it sucks as a model

[cunning needle]

i for one, support this sandbagging of sims

we warlock gamers now

[balmy condor]

for the record, the apl is fine, first glance just seems to be lack of interactions

[dawn heath]

i kind of just assumed it was the APL wrong initially but after looking at casts it was sort of similar, not spot on but within reason. so there is some interaction of caustic damage that its just not accounting for correctly as compared to ingame

[balmy condor]

hero talent jank me thinks atm

I can confirm that hunt them down spatters in game but not in sims for example

but there's more

so I think something broke with deathstalkers module

[glad cliff]

How many haste do I need for raiding? I'm always at 0 energy at ST

[balmy condor]

!stats

FUCK

not this still

[cunning needle]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec.
If you're looking for a quick recommendation:
Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility
It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[dawn heath]

u will not be gcd locked as assa in ST

[cunning needle]

!design

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target}

[runic hinge]

Good bot

[cunning needle]

🤖

[jolly heath]

!pooling

[dawn heath]

crazy how fast our aoe rotation is compared to ST

feels like you go to play classic when u go into ST

[jolly heath]

excuse me, it broke

[glad cliff]

rank 1 rogue was telling to run 17-19% haste and wanted to double check here

all good ty

[cunning needle]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:
Maintain max uptime on envenom

For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cunning needle]

the bot is a bit laggy

[balmy condor]

that's not a thing

[dawn heath]

whenever someone recommends a certain amount of stat i am always suspicious

just sounds like a bunch of bs

[balmy condor]

ancient ass meme

[cunning needle]

all of mine are

[glad cliff]

ofc its better to sim but surely if u reach a certain amount of haste it's gonna feel much better

[dawn heath]

the stat thing is a curse though people should really just be more concerned about playing the class properly rather than min-maxing some secondary stat optimization that doesnt exist

[glad cliff]

secondary stat is about min max

[glad cliff]

im not gonna run the same stat for m+ and raid

lol

[balmy condor]

no, it doesn't

10% haste is 2 apm

[runic hinge]

If you get 20% haste it’s a whole 4 apm!!! Holy. I got carpel tunnel just talking about it

[junior aurora]

hold ur horses buddy

[dawn heath]

its all in your head

[cunning needle]

look out outlaw, assi rogue is coming for you

[runic hinge]

I’m too old for outlaw

[jolly heath]

would macro all my toys increase my apm?

[dawn heath]

its just human psychology people like round numbers they're gonna want something silly like 15 or 20% haste and some people will be stupid enough to utter some garbage that its a GOOD TRESHOLD TO BE AT as if its something magic with these numbers

[glad cliff]

i just asked a question why u gotta act like a clown

u need to relax bro

[dawn heath]

it's just that i have a personal pet peeve against these kind of questions i've seen them so many times lmao

[south lava]

!pooling

[runic hinge]

Yes

Don’t forget spinny ball

[dawn heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif?ex=66d93399&is=66d7e219&hm=ff929111dcadfb487ec0cea88db99c41b3a2c664dcffb7e08e510591708c6dbe&

[glad cliff]

i got into the spec 3 days ago it's normal that i ask this kind of things, i'm just a beginner

[runic hinge]

Lmao I have this favorited

[uneven plume]

Don’t worry about these guys. They yap a lot. Just sim your gear for patchwork

[dawn heath]

all good i just reacted cause u said some rank 1 rogue said that this haste is good. which is just a bunch of bullshit

[cunning needle]

dont take it personally

you are not the first

or the last to ask about stats

[uneven plume]

Top gear has option to add gear you don’t have

[cunning needle]

but then also, when given an answer don't talk back and go "nah surely you need X stat"

[uneven plume]

And you can see what the sim recommends to you

[solar orbit]

If vanish is on cd and your dots are about to run out, you're screwed on applying dots outside of crimson tempest, right?

[buoyant minnow]

hey I saw the cool ring that drops from Queen Ansurek, is it going to be especially good for Sin rogue because of the nature damage effect? :)

[balmy condor]

it is good but no it's not better

effects have proc limits

[buoyant minnow]

aww I thought we'd have something special I was excited ahah

[dawn heath]

just pretend its bis and you can be blissfully happy

[balmy condor]

I mean it is bis

it's just not any more bis than it would be for any other class

[earnest remnant]

you just re-apply the bleeds normally?

[solar orbit]

I meant on aoe

[earnest remnant]

yeah?

answer is the same

[solar orbit]

So one at a time?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[dawn heath]

if the mobs are gonna live for quite abit longer u wanna re-apply the bleeds and u need to, if you are gonna maintain any form of energy regen + the agi buff from ruptures

[runic hinge]

Multi dotting is a lost art

IC has coddled these children

[dawn heath]

its sort of a judgement call u have to make based on the hp of the mobs

mouse over rupture is pretty nice

so u dont need to swap off your caustic target

[junior aurora]

bring back 45 second IC

[solar orbit]

What is IC?

[earnest remnant]

the talent that makes you spread bleeds coming out of stealth

[dawn heath]

dumbass me thought that was subterfuge first when i started playing

that talent is so goated tho

[fallow marsh]

Anyone recreate the conditions of a patchwork fight in game to see if your sim matches and get a significant difference between the two? I removed all buffs with the exception of lust at the same fight duration of 40 seconds and there was a 300k difference. If this is normal or a dumb question please disregard.

[cunning needle]

select "target dummy"

[runic hinge]

I actually had a lot of fun s2

[sturdy python]

!sims

[ripe rapids]

Is Deathmark not having any interaction with ER intented or a bug? I see it is on the bug list but just curious if it was confirmed a bug or not

[fallow marsh]

This increased the difference between the two. Second boss of sacred flame was 20 seconds, I posted 962k with lust. My 20 second sim with lust is 831k target dummy was 713k

[cunning needle]

guess you just built different or something

try a longer duration

3min

that way you get 2 sets of cooldowns

and some down time

[cunning needle]

or maybe 2:30

[fallow marsh]

Highly unlikely 😂😂😂

[cunning needle]

nah homie, new rank 1 rogue inc

[solar orbit]

What are your usual sources for m+ stats? wowhead?

[earnest remnant]

sims by default have a 20% variance so simming 2 min should be fine for an estimate

[cunning needle]

!stats

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec.
If you're looking for a quick recommendation:
Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility
It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[solar orbit]

Hmmm, I didn't meant those kind of stats

But more like, avg dmg per class

[cunning needle]

oh

warcraftlogs?

once raid opens

[waxen oyster]

you said m+ stats

[solar orbit]

Does that work for m+ too?

things such as most common groups

[shy pecan]

Not really.

[cunning needle]

define: stats

[shy pecan]

Issue is that comparing damage you do is conditional on so many factors

[cunning needle]

^ comparing damage in m+ is like trying to compare a banana to an apple

[dawn heath]

assa rogue 128 isnt that like 1800 rio

no one played assa

[cunning needle]

like you can maybe compare damage in wclogs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/37#boss=62520&class=Rogue&metric=dps

but then its also like

what are you comparing to

[runic hinge]

Literally everyone played sub lol

[dawn heath]

y

[novel horizon]

All you have to do is pewpew and not stand in bad shit as dps, ez game

[earnest remnant]

damn so thats where ive been going wrong

[runic hinge]

It was far easier and did way more damage

[strange python]

"Ascension on dagger + Patch is technically bis right now but it's way stronger than legit anything else and bis for basically every spec in the game so nerfs are kinda expected, do with that what you'd like" -- hi im dumb, what is scension and patch?

[south lava]

Is fatebound better in m+ than ds?

[shy pecan]

!hero

[south lava]

Now that ds is bugged with er

[shy pecan]

Forgot moroes went to bed

[strange python]

guys whats ascension and patch

[cunning needle]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[shy pecan]

@south lava

[runic hinge]

Embellishments

[strange python]

you can put embellishments on daggers?

[runic hinge]

Ascension is the buff like BSL was and patch is like toxic patch

Of course

Idk what ascension does exactly

[strange python]

im so lost

i started season 4 of dragon flight

[runic hinge]

Did you play in dragon flight

Okay did you play double Blue silken lining

[strange python]

no i ran toxic patch on my boots

cause that was crafted

[runic hinge]

Okay so you have an embellishment which is ascension

And the patch enhances the ascension

Like your toxic boots were an embellishment and the toxic patch enhanced them

[cunning needle]

what.

fuck blizzard holy shit

[strange python]

ok so i would need crafted dagger then?

[runic hinge]

Uhh idk. You can probably put it on most crafted pieces tbh

[strange python]

i will just recraft my dagger with it on what other slot are we crafting

[south lava]

With fatebound
Same rotation? No need to ambush right?

[junior aurora]

what are we fucking blizzard for

[shy pecan]

Yes, unless you're running something like Blindside, then still Ambush with the proc.

[strange python]

im sorry, im refferring to the new pin... i understand we can only have 2 embelishments right? i was going to do dawnthread x 2 on armbands and kickers

[cunning needle]

because they fucked us

[junior aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[fallow linden]

any good assassination pvp guides out there or outlaw. i know its not viable. but dam it i wanna learn to play it?

[shy pecan]

#pvp would probably know.

[strange python]

whats the patch called?

[wooden flare]

just go to the crafting table, find the item you want to embellish, and then open up the reagent slot and it will show you every single one that goes in that slot

[strange python]

yeah foiund itr ty

[warped jackal]

Any rogue here who also play dk ? I want to ask which one plays better and you enjoy more

[rotund oak]

and u wanna learn playing outlaw while doing pvp?

bruh

[fallow linden]

eh. just wanna dabble before the season starts.

[rotund oak]

might be the only specc that u cant learn while doing pvp

do some dungeons and world content,will help u more than staying cc'd for millenia and not having the uptime to udnerstand how restless blades works

[marble moth]

when u garrote 1 target and it spreads outta stealth, if u garrote that same target again will it spread again to other nearby enemies who arent garrote spreaded yet?

same w/ rupture

[crystal star]

spread to 2 others ye

[marble moth]

ah cool so ur like double garroting the same target to spread to 5?

[warped jackal]

Guys new to assassin here . How do you play in herioc dungeon ? Everything just die fast . The moment i go out of stealth finsh spreading garrot and ruptare by that time everything is about to die and no time to switch to posion phase

[waxen oyster]

You garrote

get rupture up

hit ct and let demise carry

[mystic osprey]

Garrote rupture crimson tempest as fast as possible

[rotund oak]

u can manually by pressing a non-dot'd frame spread dots more effectively

[mystic osprey]

You may rarely have time to get out a full kingsbanr

[rotund oak]

same applies to rup

[marble moth]

tru

[waxen oyster]

It is kind of funny someone mentioned they had dps in dungeons only doing like 700k

[crystal star]

if you use a mouseover to garrot/rupture a diff target you can get 6 gar/rup's for more dmg

[marble moth]

okie dokie

[waxen oyster]

Meanwhile ended a stonevault at 800 on prot war

[rotund oak]

prot war is a beast for dungeons

best tank

fr

[mystic osprey]

Yep

Blood dk is nuts too

[warped jackal]

That what i noticed . Man alot lf classes just feal bad on mobs that die fast . Cant wait for mythic plus still 2 weeks that feal so long .

[mystic osprey]

Don't worry it won't get much better until +10s

Hahaha

[warped jackal]

I had trouble spreading garrot and rupture on my first day . Do you have that coz i found couple of solution

[waxen oyster]

I feel vdh should be up there too

felscarred vdh damage can get silly

[rotund oak]

dh is gone

war is the way

and has 2 shouts

[waxen oyster]

i mean i just did it because i didnt want to deal with dps queues

[rotund oak]

buffs rogues

cant go wrong

F all DHs

fr

[waxen oyster]

while gearing this alt

Almost every rogue i get put in a group with loses to me while im on tank

smh honestly

[rotund oak]

most rogues lose their dps coz those are very big pools that die rly fast

it would make sense

the high value comes with time,same applies for mages

[mystic osprey]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

ehh i can pre easily

[mystic osprey]

What about it did you struggle with

[rotund oak]

like,if a mage orbs/blizzardSP/CoC/Orb/blizzard/CS there is no wave staying alive,its like 2 orbs spinning,blizzard,icelances for a mil comet storms and all the spikes and splinterstorms happening

how can a sin rogue do anything against this

packs xplode in 4-5sec

or a surv hunter doing the same amounts of dmg

[tawdry crypt]

580, simming 682k. that seems low

is it

[rotund oak]

u are simming for what exactly

[warped jackal]

Question guys let say tank pull group and keep runing to pull more . How to balance when i should go out of stealth . And start bursting

[tawdry crypt]

st

1t 5m

[waxen oyster]

it didnt die that fast considering the group's damage was kind of low

[mystic osprey]

Which build?

[waxen oyster]

depends where they stop

[tawdry crypt]

DS

[mystic osprey]

DS, ST?

[tawdry crypt]

y

[mystic osprey]

Mm ok

[rotund oak]

its reasonable

[mystic osprey]

Yeah

Well sin isn't the best st spec rn

[rotund oak]

for st ye

kinda blows

[mystic osprey]

Outlaw and sub supercede

[tawdry crypt]

what

the

[mystic osprey]

Significantly

[rotund oak]

outlaw sucks

significantly though

[tawdry crypt]

I thought this was a sin st season

[rotund oak]

ye u ar ewrong

[tawdry crypt]

nice

[mystic osprey]

Sub season

[rotund oak]

sin is very strong in aoe

[mystic osprey]

Definitely sub season

Sin is very good in aoe however you have to time your cds perfectly

It's why I still play outlaw

[rotund oak]

good for you

[mystic osprey]

I ain't built for that

[thin gate]

how is outlaw currently?

[mystic osprey]

It's aight

[thin gate]

we gotta make a Fun/Performance graph similar to the one from barney

[mystic osprey]

Haha

[rotund oak]

ye u are coping hard

[cobalt sphinx]

add stormrook's favor to the list of bugs

[mystic osprey]

It's really not that bad

[waxen oyster]

i need to run cindermead more on my rogue

the bee trinket is uncapped

.....

its not split like the tooltip

[rotund oak]

plz tell me how good it is,im testing it since beta and now on 2 rogues

[thin gate]

are there any "broken" open world trinkets discovered yet?

[mystic osprey]

Play live

[rotund oak]

rly now?

outlaws overselling outlaw

[warped jackal]

My plater was a miss so fixing that is a must so that healthbar not all over each other . The mouse over helped alot and is good but the dynamic target was just so eaiser since i dont like moving my mouse over health bar choosing and one you spread bleed now you target one and burst with kingsbane . I was sleeping on dynamic targeting

[mystic osprey]

No

Not really trying to overstate it just saying that it's not as bad as people have been complaining

[tawdry crypt]

outlaw has a few bugs, but my 560 outlaw was simming for 780k st

lol

just depends on how much downtime there is in the raid

[mystic osprey]

Yep seems right

For a sim

[tawdry crypt]

I mean, it's accurate

if no downtime

[rotund oak]

trust me bro 🤝

truth is that outlaw if nothing happeds to change the current state it will never see the day of light

[tawny pawn]

i think its too early to say before ER + Mark gets fixed

[rotund oak]

coz its atrocious to play

[tawdry crypt]

huh

fix bte bug and it's fine

[tawny pawn]

^

outlaw is not so bad

its just the bug that is annoying

[spice surge]

Its not that much of a major bug dps wise

Its mostly a feels bad type of bug

[mystic osprey]

I can't even remember the bte bug tbh

But I think I know what it is

What is it again?

[rotund oak]

..

u cant fire bte

same for audacity proc

but outlaw is ok right?

idk what ppl u been saying all this time

[thin gate]

i mean BTE is not that important

[mystic osprey]

I haven't experienced that yet

[rotund oak]

obviously

[mystic osprey]

I don't use HO

[rotund oak]

yet another obvious one

[thin gate]

get good play mastery outlaw

main gauche op

[mystic osprey]

100

Percent

[halcyon grove]

So sub for raids and assa for m+ on season1 on current status of balance?

[mystic osprey]

we dont know yet for raid 👍 its not out yet

[thin gate]

its so weird to see assa performing well in aoe

Caustic and IC changed lifes

[tawny pawn]

should have been like that for a long time.

[thin gate]

i mean BFA gave us some FOK spamm and DF a new talent tree

[waxen oyster]

IC hardcarries people who dont know how to multidot

[tawny pawn]

Also the build we play now i dont think will be the best for M+ anyways

[thin gate]

i think SL was prolly one of the worst times for AOE assa builds

[tawny pawn]

we going poison right?

[thin gate]

poison needs long livin targets tho

[rotund oak]

yup it started like that,now its a very strong talent that dance is gone

[tawny pawn]

Poison cleave more like last season

[rotund oak]

and the small timing adgustments

[waxen oyster]

not really bfa you were kinda throwing not playing outlaw

cleave was a niche build

[tawny pawn]

We did have a poggers ST tho

[rotund oak]

outlaw bfa was light years ahead from the otehr two specs

sub wasnt even there after zul

ye sin was doing much higher st

with all that haste

outlaw was good for couple of cleave fights

[waxen oyster]

ehh s3/4 wasnt that much crazier

than really good crackshot outlaw

[thin gate]

100% haste Crimson Tempest single target

[waxen oyster]

just most people sucked at outlaw

[rotund oak]

outlaw was much different then though

the way bf worked with 2 stacks

[waxen oyster]

talking amir

and yeah bfa outlaw was foul

[tawny pawn]

we had vendetta

also our melee was like 30% of our dmg

[waxen oyster]

maybe s1 bfa

[tawny pawn]

plic plic plic plic

s2

s1 sub was way stronger

cause of the armor miscalc

[waxen oyster]

uhh

[tawny pawn]

ye

[waxen oyster]

wasnt because of that

[tawny pawn]

no prob

[waxen oyster]

specs were relatively close in s1

[rotund oak]

outlaw was still stronger

[waxen oyster]

then sub got zul treatment

but zul treatment was basically s2 at that point

deep deep farm

[rotund oak]

sub just got nuked

for that tech

[waxen oyster]

and double rings gave outlaw wits

[rotund oak]

zul wouldnt die tbh without 2-3 sub rogues

[waxen oyster]

strongest rogue trait

[rotund oak]

yup keep ur wits was insane

[waxen oyster]

sin played 3x double dose ideally

from s2 bfa to early s4

in raid

[rotund oak]

sin was in a state of confusion

until nyalotha

there wasnt much there

[thin gate]

all i want is 0,5% poison bomb proc chance increase

[runic hinge]

jokes on you, im always in a state of confusion

[wary valley]

/fu

[waxen oyster]

…what?

[wary valley]

/fuu

[waxen oyster]

pb procs all the damn time

[wary valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thin gate]

more.

[grim jay]

The only insane thing is people talking about bfa like it was fun. Had some of those

[royal lantern]

lack of sink demon pics does that

[waxen oyster]

pb is minor

[rotund oak]

i rly njoyed it,played since beta till the last day,mostly outlaw and sin for nyalotha raid

well carapace was outlaw

[balmy condor]

pb is already like a 46% proc rate on average or something

[runic hinge]

TRU

[shell pawn]

I miss legion PB

[rotund oak]

but its better if its 46.5% right

[thin gate]

0,5% per combo point is up to 3.5% more chance

[rotund oak]

its a joke...

[cobalt sphinx]

lol wtf

[rotund oak]

we rly dont need it

[cobalt sphinx]

this honey buzzer

[thin gate]

it

[cobalt sphinx]

HAS to be on the nerf list

[thin gate]

brings joy to my life

[balmy condor]

honey buzzer is not a season 1 trinket

don't think they care

[thin gate]

i feel empty if i dont see my vials poppin

[cobalt sphinx]

it might not even matter

[royal lantern]

what

[cobalt sphinx]

might still be usable

[grim jay]

Idk its probably been the worst expansion imo

[waxen oyster]

delete this

[runic hinge]

nothing matters

[balmy condor]

it..... won't be usable

[runic hinge]

entropy will consume us all

[shell pawn]

[cobalt sphinx]

it's bugged

[rotund oak]

cant agree with u here,i think bfa was actually one of the best all-around

[cobalt sphinx]

it hits 1.5m per target on every target

[rotund oak]

banger raids,and dungeons

pvp was bad though

[balmy condor]

pretty sure sims account for that

[runic hinge]

SL gotta be the worst expansion, everyone locked inside with covid and blizz fucks up BAD

[grim jay]

Nah SL was pretty fine

[runic hinge]

I miss korthia tho

[balmy condor]

wod was way worse

[grim jay]

Except sepulcher

[rotund oak]

yeah sl and wod most likely

[thin gate]

i enjoyed SL it gott way too much hate

[rotund oak]

true and real

[balmy condor]

people forget just how bad wods content was

[runic hinge]

Wod was bad because it was basically nothing

the twitter integration patch

[thin gate]

i mean SL had nice settings, they maybe messed up a bit with maw torghast and the covenant swapping

[balmy condor]

like imagine being stuck inside during covid

[runic hinge]

was like a whole .1 patch

[waxen oyster]

bfa is the worst

[thin gate]

but beside of that it was actually nice

[balmy condor]

and you didn't even have world quests

or m+

[grim jay]

For me it always gets overshadowed by hfc, because hfc was quite the fun time

[royal lantern]

WoD

SL was a full game

WoD was borderline a scam

[thin gate]

i want Legion²

[balmy condor]

wod was straight up a raid simulator

[waxen oyster]

bis

[royal lantern]

wod was

max level in 4hours->raid log

for 2 1/2 years

[waxen oyster]

yeah peak

[grim jay]

Imo its probably Legion > DF > SL > MoP > WoD > BfA
In terms of associated fun in my mind

[thin gate]

Legion was simple, but it worked.

[spice surge]

Wouldnt say legion was simple

[warped jackal]

Guys i think i learned the basic . I am looking for a more depth guide now like diff situation that you will face when playing and how to tackle them any recommendations?

[runic hinge]

it was if you only played 7.3

[royal lantern]

legion also kinda ate another expansion

[runic hinge]

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?si=x7_1aoeGxc2rD88I

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah honey buzzer looks competitive with 629 void reapers contract in 5t sims

[waxen oyster]

legion m+ was more fun

than any expac after

[balmy condor]

so it's competitive with a mid tier heroic ilvl trinket

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah looks pretty good

[grim jay]

Dont think thats what he meant

[balmy condor]

that...

[thin gate]

[cobalt sphinx]

i know he's trying to be a dick about it

but the trinket is really good

[balmy condor]

I'm not being a dick

it's just

not good

[cobalt sphinx]

like competitive with mythic trinkets on aoe

[balmy condor]

it's strong for sure

but it's not like anything insane

[spice surge]

An aoe trinket is competitve with a singletarget trinket in aoe

[thin gate]

Whispyr destroyin dreams

[grim jay]

Is it

Dickspyr

The destroyer of dreams

Jk

[balmy condor]

I'm a yugioh card

[thin gate]

Hobbys:
making guides
destroying dreams
sleep

[grim jay]

Which type?

[balmy condor]

blue eyes white dragon

[royal lantern]

sleep?

[cobalt sphinx]

it'll get nerfed or you'll see it everywhere

[royal lantern]

no, you wont

[grim jay]

But you have a special summoning method. There are certain key words that can automatically place you on the field

[balmy condor]

I mean it will get nerfed

I agree

I just don't think it's that insane when real trinkets exist

[royal lantern]

nobody is gonna run a 50ilvl lower trinket over a actual normal option

[cobalt sphinx]

they will if it does 8m per use

[round nexus]

@balmy condor Is there a bug where clear the witness doesn't get consumed by fan of knives?

[grim jay]

Never say nobody

[balmy condor]

first i'm hearing of it

[thin gate]

ppl who farm ilvl parses

[balmy condor]

do you have a log or something

[grim jay]

Maybe didnt hit something with the fok

[grim jay]

That would really be nobody

[balmy condor]

no log = no help

[round nexus]

trying to find it

[waxen oyster]

No one does this unironically

[thin gate]

i thought delulus exist

[waxen oyster]

Yeah they’re called m+ mains

[thin gate]

[balmy condor]

hey now

[waxen oyster]

or bis list askers

[spice surge]

youre an allstar

[balmy condor]

that's not fair to say about m+ mains

m+ mains aren't delusional

they're brainrotted

it's totally different

[thin gate]

god thanks im dumb and not stupid

[balmy condor]

exactly

[spice surge]

Y'all ohio raiders dont have the sigma rizz to get skibidi io score

[thin gate]

sheesh?

[balmy condor]

raider pilled beta cucks could never understand the W in the chat sigma mplussers get when they talent into omegachad +1 vanish charge

[thin gate]

I C I C

[balmy condor]

whispyr keeps saying something about wihtout a trace fanum taxing my damage

[grim jay]

I feel like

Half my braincells went into hibernation

Doesnt feel good to only have 4 left

[round nexus]

@balmy condor
00:04.296 Blomberg Clear the Witnesses Voidstone Monstrosity (A: 78544)
That line means i consume Clear the witnesses?

[balmy condor]

yes

[round nexus]

Well, the VOD shows that i didn't

[balmy condor]

lets see it

[grim jay]

Show us feet

Eh footage

[runic hinge]

🐾

[balmy condor]

yeh send feetage

[thin gate]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[grim jay]

(he'll leave us wondering, was just teasing)

[grim jay]

Unironically some people would be better off having one, because they seemingly dont understand stats

[balmy condor]

I'm stroking it viciously atm in anticipation

[grim jay]

Ive seen so many stacking crit mastery blindly

[runic hinge]

[grim jay]

[thin gate]

he talkin about the bis tier list?

[balmy condor]

I love bugs!

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-cute-scared-spider-gif-17542811

[balmy condor]

eat it!

consume the bug!

[sour kernel]

I reckon the overall 'bis list' gears in wowhead has lots of haste because we already got lots of crit from the spyglass trinket? So if we're using arakara+skardyn, sim should suggest a different bis list is it?

[grim jay]

Im consuming bugs and advocating deathstalker, cant get any deeper than this

[grim jay]

Stats will always change depending on your gear, thats why we want people to sim

And not follow any list

[balmy condor]

yeah and wowhead bis list isn't really a bis list as much as it's just trinkets, tier, special items, and then random junk

[sour kernel]

Noted

[balmy condor]

cause like

respectfully who gives a shit

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

if your feet are crit/haste

[thin gate]

does fatebound give more value the more we spec into poison?

[balmy condor]

or mast/haste

[sour kernel]

Tru

[grim jay]

Did you just say you dont care about feet

[balmy condor]

what

why would it

[royal lantern]

need feet pics to confirm if they are really crit haste

[sour kernel]

[thin gate]

i thought cuz of the duplicating envenom ect

[balmy condor]

but that's envenom

and it's not even like anything poison

it's just raw envenom damage

[grim jay]

Ye envenom damage isnt something you really spec into, amp poison and rapid Injection aside

Its just there

[manic pebble]

How do you know if stats is capped?

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

what the hell does that even mean

[grim jay]

You dont and you dont care

Stat caps are a lie

[cunning needle]

🧢

[grim jay]

The only cap is crit at 100%

[manic pebble]

I see

Ty

[thin gate]

if u manage to hit 100% crit let me know how pls

[grim jay]

You only have two options for crit

Its either 50/50

Or you hit the 100 cap

[cunning needle]

actually its 70%

because of master assassin

[grim jay]

Dead talent

[cunning needle]

hope this misinformation helps

[grim jay]

You would just not play it

[balmy condor]

okay so hear me out, bleed build deathstalker cause it can play master assassination, so that's 30, and thrown precision is 15, and then momentum is another 15, so that's 60% base

and then you get 40%

and you're capped

pogging

[thin gate]

nah dont want it, my sudden cant crit

but ty.

[round nexus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fApgdQz8yDGrCJq6#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1&view=events
00:04.278 Blomberg Fan of Knives Voidstone Monstrosity (A: 33200)
00:04.296 Blomberg Clear the Witnesses Voidstone Monstrosity (A: 78544)

But i clearly still have the buff, so i Fan of Knives again
00:05.263 Blomberg Fan of Knives Voidstone Monstrosity (A: 34989)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH3ZDxAG1ns

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I finished

aighty lets take a looksie

[dim mural]

Do we have a list of shit in dungeons that randomly pulls you out of/prevents stealth?

Seems to be a lot of that in these dungeons.

[balmy condor]

we do not

[balmy condor]

yeh I can't explain the UI, but seems to work fine

might be related to the absorb

or the distance

[round nexus]

I've experienced it on that boss a few times

can't think of any other places

[balmy condor]

probably the absorb then

but the damage seems okay at least

[round nexus]

weird that it doesn't register as consumed then

It's not only the WA, but also still have the buff in the corner

[grim jay]

Ngl ive only seen it once for a short time

But

Im on mobile

[spice surge]

Your second fok is not doing damage with clear the witnesses so its purely just an UI issue, but like whispyr said unsure why

[hasty crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund jungle]

Hey 🙂 how you guys doin it on the M0 start? u doin Delvs first? to better be capable to share gear after in M0

[grim jay]

Who cares about trading gear

Ego gamers rise up

[round nexus]

badly geared people

😄

[rotund jungle]

😄

[thin gate]

i mean u can trade me ur gear, i need the 53 gold

[grim jay]

But those want to get traded, not actively trade things away

I will probably do delves at the weekend

No time to do all m0s and delves on weekdays rn

[spice surge]

Only 4 available each day though

[rotund jungle]

yeah so do 4 and do M0 after

u can only do 4 Delvs a day?

[spice surge]

Sure if you want to

[round nexus]

but there's no M0 still, right?

That's next week

[spice surge]

Theres only 4 bountiful delves a day

[rotund jungle]

yes

[spice surge]

But like, m0 has a daily lockout

So it doesnt matter that much

[rotund jungle]

yes

[round nexus]

Starting a new job on monday