assassination

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[peak condor]

anybody can explain a noob how i should use echoing reprimand or a good alternative for it in talents? xD tyvm ❤️

[rigid vessel]

On cooldown

That’s all xd

[echo heath]

its pretty self explanatory, but dont go out of your way to try and get each one

[peak condor]

i cant catch those CP to use it....its useless how i use it

[rigid vessel]

You should be able to catch CPs without trying

I mean you don’t have to try at any cost to catch them

[spice spire]

45s to catch 3-4-5 is a pretty easy bar

sometimes you may miss one

But that’s not a huge deal

[rigid vessel]

But it should line without paying any specific attention

[peak condor]

i only have 3 tries right?! i hit like 1/3

[spice spire]

No

You have 45 seconds to do it

Until the cd comes back around

[peak condor]

oh ok

[soft dew]

how troll would it be to use the spark to craft a dagger with ascension

[spice surge]

Maybe its good, maybe its troll

[soft dew]

50/50:

?

[spice surge]

Depends on what blizzard decided to do with embellishments

[spice spire]

Exactly

It either is or it isn’t

[soft dew]

i feel like even if they nerf it by like 30% its still good

[spice spire]

But what if they buff the rest by 500% and you’re trolling an embellishment

[dark token]

Why

[spice spire]

Show some patience

[spice surge]

Im not saying theyre gonna nerf it

[spice spire]

I’m not either

[spice surge]

Im saying theres like 10 embellishments that arent bugged

[dark token]

Like why do you want to craft now

[spice spire]

But tuning is clearly not done

[spice surge]

And 30 that are

[soft dew]

cuz im autistic and awful at waiting

[spice spire]

So I’m not touching crafting with a ten foot pole

[spice surge]

Like so many of them arent scaling with the ilvl of the item

[rotund oak]

Do you by any chance have them listed ?

[spice surge]

Or are tuned so awfully low that it doesnt make sense

[dark token]

Haahha

[spice spire]

Incredible

[soft dew]

wut

[spice spire]

Man is missing the tab button ig

[soft dew]

smartest redditor

[spice surge]

Im exaggerating, there arent even that many, but pretty much all of the embellishments that you apply to an item (that arent darkmoon) dont scale with ilvl

Or atleast didnt a couple of days ago

[halcyon arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

yeah thats true,thought it would be cool to know how many of them actually work in a list

ild look so cool to post those on my guilds discord

[spice surge]

And some of the other ones do damage, but the damage they do is so low its silly

[rotund oak]

ik for sure that rogue embelishments dont work

well at least the past 2 days didnt

[soft dew]

i guess i can wait

[tawny umbra]

Hello fellow rogues, old fire mage main since Sanctum raid swappin to rogue that season most likely, just have a basic question. Assa better ST than others that season so far? or other specs can be better this expansion

[rotund oak]

we dont know 🙂

we cant know 🙂

[haughty flicker]

i know

im just not telling people

[clever sapphire]

all depending on what the mighty blizzard decides

[runic hinge]

reddit hates playing rogue

[fickle girder]

buT tHe SiMs ShOw....

[rotund oak]

i know you know that i know you know

if that makes sense

[haughty flicker]

it might'

but even if it did all i know is i know

but if i told people then they would also know and thats not fun

[steel sable]

so for mythic+ are we running Hybrid with FB?

[clever sapphire]

what is this fun you are talking about

[haughty flicker]

its called survival hunter

[clever sapphire]

probably in low keys, since getting any deathstalker value on trash mobs that die in 2 seconds wont really happen

[safe sand]

I'm hitting a dummy in raid spec; I'm really really energy starved -- is that normal?

[haughty flicker]

big fun

[clever sapphire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[clever sapphire]

THERE IS A DESIGN COMMAND NOW?

[haughty flicker]

thats a lot of bot text

[clever sapphire]

crazy

[normal mist]

🤝

[rotund oak]

boys doing some work here

[runic hinge]

I don't running out of energy single target but I'm built diffy

[rotund oak]

RH is the best for a reason

[clever sapphire]

but isnt sv all about spamming bomb and thats it?

[rotund oak]

[proven jasper]

I hate that my rogue class plays like a rogue!!! What will i ever do

[haughty flicker]

no

you have a rythm of building/spending tip of the spear stacks

bomba does do big damage but its not spam like whatever sl season it was

where surv was meta

[spice spire]

Love bomba

(I’m an ape)

[past forum]

man, seeing the spider rogues with cool shadowy animations makes me feel like there was so many missed opportunities with deathstalker visuals that would have 100% been on brand for rogue

[waxen oyster]

The game is telling me to alt hunter

with dropping an agi trink that only procs off ranged attacks

[limber dew]

MM hunter seems pretty respectable .

[clever sapphire]

you mean Pirate rogue

[arctic socket]

Pirate rogue?

[limber dew]

Outlaw

[arctic socket]

Nah that spec

[limber dew]

It's a pirate

[haughty flicker]

outlaws guns are melee btw

[arctic socket]

Outdated

[clever sapphire]

no way

[past forum]

outclassed

[haughty flicker]

yup

[clever sapphire]

[haughty flicker]

pistol shot and bte are both coded as melee abilities

so they dont proc ranged trinkets

[clever sapphire]

aye lemme just whack you on the had with my gun

imma take out the bullets and punch you with it

[arctic socket]

I mean

It would work

[red cloak]

is fatebound bugged at all? or just deathstalker

[arctic socket]

Some guns are rly good blunt weapons

[clever sapphire]

outlaw has a blunterbuss huh

[arctic socket]

Yeah they do

Where does your character put up the guns?

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

only respectable hunter spec is sv

[clever sapphire]

agree

[gusty lichen]

How long has Outlaw been simming higher than Sin? What’s going on there? Must have missed something.

[red wolf]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[red wolf]

outlaw got some pretty big buffs late in beta, tuning is still ongoing

[gusty lichen]

It’s like a 15% difference in ST though. That’s what’s confusing me

[clever sapphire]

i mean look at S3 df sims, outlaw was like 70k ahead of assa or some shit like that

yet you didnt see outlaw in raid at all

[gusty lichen]

I haven’t put a ton of time into sims yet because I know tuning is still going on. Was just surprised to see that

That’s fair

[red cloak]

after reading fatebound it's not as cool as deathstalker imo

[clever sapphire]

deathstalker is... cool?

[red cloak]

even with the bugs ima keep playing deathstalker

[red wolf]

outlaw pretty much needs to sim way higher in a patchwerk sim because they rely on 100% uptime

[clever sapphire]

i mean fatebound is a passive dmg buff pretty much

[limber lion]

So do we?

And every other spec in the game

[red wolf]

In an actual raid scenario that's usually not the case

[clever sapphire]

so its not hard to be more interesting than fatebound

[scenic nacelle]

still counting down the days they fix ER to work with Deathmark

then we feast

[limber lion]

It works with Deathmark

:--)

But not Deathstalker's mark

get rekt

[scenic nacelle]

[runic hinge]

[brazen fern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

who is mark

and why does deathstalker own him

[nova wolf]

oh hi mark

[sullen hollow]

why does my 571 bee buzzer sim higher than 593 trinket

empowering crystal of anub'ikkaj

[proven jasper]

The bee trinket kinda insane

The damage doesnt split hitting multiple targets

[sullen hollow]

yea but this was a st sim

lol

[proven jasper]

[hexed frost]

Bee trinket is like Momentum/Fel Rush for Rogue

Zooommmm....zoooommm

https://tenor.com/view/getting-out-of-leaving-gotta-go-cars-fast-cars-gif-17957775

[cerulean nest]

two sparks on raid week 👀

[waxen oyster]

i dont think there was a spark quest this week?

[uneven plume]

Does this interact with our nature damage increase talents?

[spice surge]

They shouldnt

But it does benefit from lingering darkness in deathstalker right now

[desert marten]

hey, ive got a question. im trying to tinker with my plater to have my dot icons glow on nameplates but cant find an option for the life of me, could anybody point me the right direction?

[cobalt sphinx]

anyone know the mechanics of ambushing with darkest night up? and what causes you to lose dsm completely

[tired gull]

if you have 1 stack of dsm on target, and consume DN with 7 cp envenom, mark disappears

[severe sparrow]

youre best off finding a plater profile that does that and then stealing the script from it

[waxen oyster]

hmm

[severe sparrow]

and making the changes in there

[waxen oyster]

but crafting on raid release is troll

[past forum]

the DH in my raid group crafted his weapon this week, and is shelling out for enchants on all his heroics gear

[haughty flicker]

based

[waxen oyster]

dh players are usually

something else

[past forum]

based....on a subconscious need for peer validation

[waxen oyster]

or the long time dh mains

that are perma doomers

[obtuse latch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[cobalt sphinx]

thanks

[cyan summit]

!talent

whats the best ST talent ?

my aoe is great but which talents can i go for single target

[clever sapphire]

just go on wowhead and take that

[cyan summit]

ok ty

[clever sapphire]

thats up to date

[spiral gale]

after MH what's the play for upgrading w/ valorstones?

apologies if answered somewhere pls feel free to tap the sign

[limber lion]

Well that's super individual, depends on what gear you have

It's best to just use the Droptimizer feature in Raidbots and sim yourself

[severe sparrow]

wait cev are you not fancy anymore?

[spiral gale]

ah dope I'll use that thanks

[obtuse latch]

you all running fatebound or deathstalker for dungeons?

I like to gamble so fatevound looks fun

[limber lion]

Fatebound

[limber lion]

No, I don't have time to tryhard the game anymore so I retired and asked for a demotion

[hexed frost]

Fatebound

[terse mesa]

are you able to macro deathamrk and kingsbane together?

[limber lion]

No

[hexed frost]

No

[limber lion]

Why are you copying me

[hexed frost]

But why would you do that?

[hexed frost]

Because I'm deathmark

[terse mesa]

to make pvp easier

[hexed frost]

[limber lion]

They both share a gcd so you cannot macro them together

Pretty much the only macros we use (if any) are mouseover macros, coldbleed + envenom and deathmark + trinket macros

[strange python]

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[limber lion]

Pins

[strange python]

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[limber lion]

Pins has all the info you need

[clever sapphire]

where do i equip this so called "pins" item?

[strange python]

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[limber lion]

npnp

[limber lion]

ass

[clever sapphire]

that sounds like its gonna hurt

[vivid crown]

i felt way more energy starved on fatebound, had more fun running spatter poisonbomb ic as deathstalker

[limber lion]

each to their own

[vivid crown]

both are fine though, just didn't enjoy it. also it's heroic so...

[clever sapphire]

wait deathstalker/fatebound affects your energy?

[waxen oyster]

thats not how pvp works

[limber lion]

Absolutely not

[clever sapphire]

ye thats what i thought

[limber lion]

But could just be the talent choices that go with it

[royal lantern]

DN returns energy

fatebound gets more CP from seal fate

thats it tbh

[limber lion]

Must be the big 40 energy return once every minute or whatever

One extra Mutilate

[past forum]

as a pvp healer, i wouldnt mind if ppl were just sending all cds together, that way i only have to heal once every 2 minutes kekw

[royal lantern]

not saying its big cev

just saying what exists there

[clever sapphire]

thats that one extra mutilate im forced to press on 6 cp that i hate

[vivid crown]

so salty today

[limber lion]

I know, I'm just saying that's probably Razz' logic

[royal lantern]

DN, aka "every mut will be 2CP now"

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean pvp staggers cds sometimes

[vivid crown]

it felt better idk. you can get some mileage out of DN in big packs

[terse mesa]

Its to have a full go into a macro I still have everything seperate binds.

[waxen oyster]

I'm pretty sure you dont even play kb

in many sin pvp builds now

[clever sapphire]

the pvp channel would probably know about that

[haughty flicker]

where swifty one shot macro

[strange python]

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guys using deathstalker seems pretty bad in dungeons? or am I wrong. you get to mark one on every pack and then once every 2 mins

[somber sparrow]

if somethign with mark dies, your next max envenom reapplies it

or if you used up your mark

[limber lion]

Yeah the one singular mark is not super great in AoE, but there's so many other things in the Deathstalker kit that is really good

So many FoK/CT nodes

And the stupid funnel node

[strange python]

what about in boss fights?

mark every 2 mins seems not great

[somber sparrow]

if you used up the 3 marks, you reapply it with a max level enveom

[rare jackal]

is finishing on 5 instead of 7 CPs fine similarly to DF season 3?

[strange python]

ok I didn't know that thanks

[limber lion]

Wut

Deathstalker Mark and Deathmark are different things

[strange python]

yes

[limber lion]

You might wanna read what Deathstalker's Mark does

There's no 2 min thingy there

You apply it once with Ambush in the beginning and then you permanently have it on the target

with Darkest Night

[strange python]

I didn't realize that max envenom reapplies

[limber lion]

Yupyu

[strange python]

my b

[somber sparrow]

no worries!

[limber lion]

After you consume it that is

[limber lion]

No

Might wanna read the pins again

[strange python]

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[limber lion]

No

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[novel horizon]

When you say max, is it 6 or 7? My tool tip has 6point dmg so I'm guessing 6?

[spice surge]

7

[limber lion]

the stilletto dagger got changed from 2.6 speed to 1.8 speed. Maybe this makes it viable, not sure yet. (Edit: It's awful don't craft it)

Literally says this in the pin

[spice surge]

Tooltips just bugged, if you have specced both stratagem talents (which you should), your max cp is 7

[novel horizon]

Kk tyty

[strange python]

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[novel horizon]

You guys enchanting etc your heroic gear for mythics or waiting til mythic gear?

[somber sparrow]

you'd think they'd fix Echoing reprimand since it's in a final talent slot, but we're advised not to take it because of the bug

[rare jackal]

@spice surge

[cerulean tinsel]

!rotation

[limber lion]

You'd think they fix literally anything in the game but they don't

[spice surge]

Yes

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[crimson zephyr]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-gear-best-in-slot#professions-and-crafted-gear

isn't ironclaw dagger better than the dropped one?

[spice surge]

Obviously not with darkest night up, but otherwise yes

[rare jackal]

ofc

[jaunty quarry]

hey i saw casualaddicts stacking versa mastery items...should i do that too on 580ilvl ? or its for high keys

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rare jackal]

dont worry about stats for pre m0 gear

[coarse kraken]

hes stacking vers mastery cause hes palying sub i guess

[forest whale]

Anyone know the general consensus on which Rogue spec is going to be best for raid S1? At current tuning obviously.

[burnt marsh]

anyone got a good Elv UI profile for rogue?

[jaunty quarry]

tnx for info guys ❤️

[pastel pine]

Anyone know if the new earthen race is any good for rogues? I want a lady beard but I don’t want to gimp myself too much

[clever sapphire]

probably not outlaw, thats the most accurate answer you will get imo

[forest whale]

Really? Every Sim says otherwise and I can’t get a solid answer.

[cobalt sphinx]

outlaw sims at the top every tier of every expac since release

[waxen oyster]

Because it depends on fight design

[cobalt sphinx]

play it if you want

[waxen oyster]

not sims

[spice surge]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[spice spire]

Fuck

[spice surge]

Eat my shorts slowpoke

[waxen oyster]

Realistically the best choice is likely to learn both sub and sin.

[spice spire]

Sass me again and I’ll eat more than your shorts pal

[waxen oyster]

or just play whatever you enjoy the most

[spice surge]

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

[forest whale]

Thanks, guys. That’s what I needed. I’ll just focus on Assa and Sub and be ready for either.

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw is rarely the best spec on prog due to it's damage profile.

It still works though

Being a cd spec is just more valuable in raid.

[lavish hazel]

How many dps gain we have with 4p ?

[subtle salmon]

guys what posions we apply?

[runic hinge]

4%

[waxen oyster]

higher than other specs so you can scamaz lootcouncil

[crimson zephyr]

what embellishment should I get? the guide says they don't know because it's bugged af

[waxen oyster]

That's why

No one cares for embellishments yet

[runic hinge]

Embellishments are a small part of dps anyways so it’s fine to just hold off and recraft when we know if you must send a spark

[shy pecan]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[lyric glen]

i feel blizz eye on us like the eye of sauron

[crimson zephyr]

I mean it's cheap so I want to just throw anything on there

[lyric glen]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-eye-tower-lord-of-the-rings-i-see-you-gif-25761843

[shy pecan]

I mean, heroics will be like that.

[waxen oyster]

then throw whatever?

putting shit on blues that will be replaced next week

[subtle salmon]

whatt is DTB

[soft sigil]

I think I we're the only class that gets our dot damage no matter what, so it's gonna look crazy

[subtle salmon]

got it

[shy pecan]

Dragon Tempered Blades.

[waxen talon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[hexed canopy]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[hearty reef]

ooooooooooo im streaking

[subtle salmon]

whatt is the AoE rotation guys? i seem to really suck at AoE lol

[cobalt sphinx]

spread bleeds out of stealth and then caustic spatter maxxing

it's in the guides

[analog turret]

which enchants are you using on daggers?

[balmy condor]

Radiant authority

[analog turret]

thanks!

[deep wave]

if you use echo reprimanded skills on 3 combo points, does it count as 5+ combo poinst for deathstalker mark interactions?

[cobalt sphinx]

@deep wave

[jaunty quarry]

which Build is better to start for M+ Hybrid or bleed guys ?

[deep wave]

so it should, but it aint

ty

[sweet forge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[cobalt sphinx]

seems so close that it doesn't really matter, although i suppose hybrid has extra utility if you need crippling lol

[waxen oyster]

I mean they play the same

[viral ice]

i noticed that i'm almost always at 5 or 6 cp when opening ST, the guide says to rupture, is that okay at 5 or 6?

[balmy condor]

All finishers at 5 or more

[viral ice]

okie dokie, so dont mutilate at 5 to get to 7 during regular rotation?

cept to reapply mark i guess

[wheat tiger]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[balmy condor]

Yep

[viral ice]

gotcha, thank you!

[rancid pier]

How does indiscriminate carnage work? Is it nearby enemies to the target or to my position and what is the range nearby enemies have to be?

[balmy condor]

Both

Target check first

Then a smaller player check if that fails

[glacial carbon]

question, does the dslice sim model the ascension embellishment dropping stacks out of combat? It seems strong in both dslice and patchwork so I was curious

[sullen fjord]

Go to wowhead and read guide 🤓

[runic hinge]

The Whispyr guy has a YouTube link in his profile that has a nice video on the aoe stuff

[vestal cliff]

What ilvl you guys rocking atm?

[grim jay]

whos that?

is he trustworthy?

[balmy condor]

It should but I’ll look into it

[balmy condor]

584

[runic hinge]

Questionable

[runic hinge]

578

[grim jay]

damn you didnt gain a single ilvl and the new ID has been out for some hours? smh my head

[vestal cliff]

Are there any new raidbosses where fatebound is better than deathstalker?

[woven shore]

581-580

[woven shore]

I think whisp said that Singular focus outshines Fb too much

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

"i think"

5% juicylucy

[vestal cliff]

I just played deathstalker so far, didn’t even tried fatebound xD

[woven shore]

Fatebound is fun for openworld stuff

Opener garrot and somehow 4mill dmg

XD

[vestal cliff]

Niiice

[cerulean nest]

is it a bug that the Darkest Night from a previous pack remains even when I ambush the following pack and new deathstalkers marks appear?

[strange python]

I haven’t felt much of a difference in mark vs fate bound in open world. One I open ambush the other garrote but the target dies really fast anyways..

[spice surge]

No, why would you lose your darkest night?

But also you dont need to ambush if you have darkest night

[dire slate]

Is it bad that I am playing a build without sudden demise?

[cerulean nest]

ah for some reason I thought it was a mistake

[spice surge]

Same as if you vanish ambush while you have darkest night up

[dire slate]

Heard my friend say he played with multipule Sins and all of them did MASSIVE dmg with that talent

[spice surge]

You get a mark, which the darkest night envenom then consumes

Putting you at 2 stacks instead of 3

[cobalt sphinx]

probably suboptimal but not really a big deal either way

[cerulean nest]

so if I have darkest night and have to run to a new pack. just garrote out of stealth instead?

[spice surge]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

kk ty

[dire slate]

So I should keep going with the hybrid build? Its good enough?

[soft merlin]

@balmy condor is it worth to press the 50% extra mutilate dmg after consuming a stack of DM in aoe?

Surley if caustic needs to be reset, but if not?

[balmy condor]

Hm

[dusty zenith]

Whispyr do you know everything about Rogues and nothing else but rogues

[balmy condor]

My gut says no but my brain has seen crazier shit

I’ll get back to you on that

[soft merlin]

thought if someone checked the math it would be you

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

I am assa rogue Wikipedia

[woven shore]

Lol

[dusty zenith]

I dont count Outlaw and sub as rogues

[woven shore]

Oh wait
Only Assa?

[balmy condor]

I don’t think I’ve considered it after it got buffed

[spice spire]

Sub when he’s feeling frisky

[prime monolith]

what's the most cancer 1shot spec for wpvp? sub or assa?

[spice spire]

(9.1)

[spiral steeple]

probably depends on target count? but there is also combo points to consider

[woven shore]

I read Sub finisher got nerfed? Is sub strong or what

Stronk

[versed bronze]

!talents

[subtle tundra]

sub got nerfed?!?

[soft merlin]

Ofc its 5+ targets and not to overcap CP

[subtle tundra]

damn......... sub got nerfed

fuck me

[woven shore]

6% i think?

Over on Deathknight Server they said the nerfs Frost got is about 2,5% overall dps

[spiral steeple]

no i mean it probably worth on low target counts, but you would get more cp with fok even on like 4 target so there that too to consider

[woven shore]

So i doubt that the 6% for Sub is alot

[spiral steeple]

on 5+ it definetly fok

if it is worth it some pretty minal optimization like only mutilate with 50% bonus on like 3/4 targets otherwise just fok

[soft merlin]

ye, thats what im corious about. 3+ is when we should fok. but would be interesting to see the numbers. even tho fok should be obvious on higher counts

[spiral steeple]

i would say almost surely worth on 3

maybe on 4

[waxen oyster]

where

[tall sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[woven shore]

@balmy condor sir are you running the talents for st from your build for raid or did you make a small personal change?

[spice surge]

Not many raids happening currently

[woven shore]

ER = Lethality 2/2 ?

IF they dont fix until raid

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[woven shore]

Thanks i read that before

[grim jay]

It also answers your question

[woven shore]

Thats cute af 😵‍💫

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

Well
Cant wait for the fkn raids 😡😡😡😡

My fingers are itching to raid at 5am eu time 😂😂😂😂

[shut canopy]

8 days until that

[waxen oyster]

cursed

[sullen fjord]

Where did you read that? I can’t see any new patch notes lol

[tight schooner]

I'm new to assassination from outlaw in WW .... and i'm wondering if its normal to run out of energy and thistle tea?

Wondered if anyone could hellp xD

[spiral steeple]

yes you are assa

you can spam as outlaw

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[spiral steeple]

*cant

[safe barn]

yo

is wowanalyzer still working for sin?

[frail root]

On ST yes, but as long as you put bleeds on enemies you shouldn’t. Don’t forget to put poisons on your blades as well

[balmy condor]

No

[tight schooner]

Yeah i'm finding in AOE i'm fine the bleeds keep my energy topped up, just on single target. i'm used to outlaw being a constant spamming fest

[woven shore]

Nah my own fault choosing my profession

[frail root]

Yeah when the fight is long you might be running out of energy on the maybe last 20% of the boss HP

At least it’s the same for me xD

[vestal cliff]

How many tea charges do you guys use in the opener, until the second shiv runs out?

[balmy condor]

1 to get it on cooldown

[vestal cliff]

Then 1 for the next kb and 1 again for dm kb?

I really struggle with tea usage i think i use it too much

[balmy condor]

Whenever you need energy during shiv and the buff isn’t already up

[safe barn]

Fuck, anyway we will have it working for the tier?

[balmy condor]

No

[tight schooner]

Yeah i think i'm over using the tea

[vestal cliff]

Ah okay, so i tea when i dont have enough energy for my next envenom, while in shiv?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t necessarily need to be envenom but if that helps you remember it I guess

It’s just energy during shiv

That’s it

[opal hazel]

Is there any reason to not go for a crafted dagger after raid drops? None of the raid daggers are crit/mastery :c

[balmy condor]

No special nonsense or timing

[sullen fjord]

I thought we just use both teas to cover whole kb

[balmy condor]

If you’re at like 150 energy during shiv

[spice surge]

In dragonflight yes

[balmy condor]

Drink some tea

[balmy condor]

You should go for a crafted dagger cause it’s probably the best embellishment and having a high level dagger is good, but no one gives a shit about dagger secondaries

[vestal cliff]

Aye, thanks whispyr <3

[balmy condor]

Np

[opal hazel]

[tight schooner]

Thank u guys!

[fluid dagger]

watched your vid earlier Whispyr, ty for the info

[royal lantern]

i bought the mats for wrist/belt, and can make myself a dagger if needed

thats my crafted gear "preperation"

[balmy condor]

np

[grand trail]

yeah i can make myself dagger 636 emblish missive withnout cons and all those itesm too 🙂

[distant monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

i fucking lied

[normal mist]

how dafuq did you get that many points?

[worldly sail]

secret jpc summoning message spotted

[fervent tartan]

did it work

[grand trail]

I have more points spend in other specialisation

[tired gull]

what's the profession secret, i skipped all of df so this is new to me

[worldly sail]

did you shuffle professions

[grand trail]

Idk I just play game in my free time

Still have 10 kp for 400 currency ready

[normal mist]

no, the question is, WHERE did you get that many points

[spice surge]

Shuffle doesnt give any knowledge

[normal mist]

I DONT HAVE MORE POINTS

THAN THIS

without buying them ofc

but i dont have mettle for that

[grand trail]

Idk

[normal mist]

must be rep shenanigans

[grand trail]

I guees

[woven shore]

what is that

[runic hinge]

Nerd

[grand trail]

Only rep which give kp is 14 hallowfall or

[runic hinge]

12 ringing deeps is kp for engi/mining i think

[grand trail]

Yeah I'm doing bs and lw

[normal mist]

did you buy all the pvp recipes?

[grand trail]

The cheap ones

Like 2/3 maybe

I wanted them for patrons

[normal mist]

yeah they ask pretty impossible stuff

sometimes

[grand trail]

I can't do the special hides

I don't want to spent on blue tool now

When I don't need it for max craft

[hushed summit]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1277568801508032512/88xydoqmxred1.png

[winged basin]

am I misunderstanding Darkest Night, somehow I dropped my marks even though I hit a max cp envenom

[grand trail]

Yeah it's kinda fuck up for assa

[runic hinge]

Mine wants the blue engi tool 4 star which is basically all tier 3 mats and a ton of concentration

[tired gull]

If you consume the final stack of dsm as well as dn in the same envenom, you lose mark

[normal mist]

you need 100h to get back all you concentration

wtf

[cobalt sphinx]

I like it

Very good system

[normal mist]

said no one ever

[waxen oyster]

Crafting cartel overcharges even more

[winged basin]

yeah but then the following max cp envenom should consume DN and refresh marks no?

[cobalt sphinx]

You would rather have them remove it completely?

[normal mist]

give me proc chance

[tired gull]

Read it again, if you have 1 stack of mark on target, and you have DN from a previous target dying, a 7cp envenom will consume the stack, as well as DN, but not apply mark

[normal mist]

During DF i had a better time getting inspiration procs and getting those 5* rather easily

whenever i wanted

now you do like 3/4 big crafts, and you're done for the next 4/5 days

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah i guess it’s worse for mass production, but that’s kind of what they’re aiming for

[winged basin]

oh I see, so that just means I just messed up and didnt max cp an envenom before hand?

[cobalt sphinx]

This makes smaller crafters stronger and bigger crafters weaker

Fine by me

[normal mist]

Im a self crafter

xD

[glass raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

it does yes, average stacks and uptimes are lower in dungeonslice

[lone lantern]

there are some wonky stuff on this chart that seems outdated

[balmy condor]

seems fine to me on first glance

[spiral raptor]

We still sitting on sparks this week?

[balmy condor]

what exactly is wrong with it

[balmy condor]

yes

[lone lantern]

crafted gear goes to 636 for example

[balmy condor]

ah yeah that was a late addition, true

[indigo meadow]

been using the m+ you have on wowhead what talent if any can i drop to grab double shiv or is that troll?

@balmy condor

[lone lantern]

and i think M0 will drop 593 gear only the first week then it goes up?

when mythic raid opens

[indigo meadow]

figure everythingin heroics dies instantly anyways might as well do mega dmg on boss

[harsh harbor]

the crafted item level on this is ood

[balmy condor]

shouldn't really be needed for anything. The only thing you could drop for it is iron wire but that's incredibly unreasonable given how strong iron wire is

[harsh harbor]

this is up to date

[balmy condor]

works for me

[cobalt sphinx]

Is m0 gear on an upgrade track

[lone lantern]

chamipon track

[cobalt sphinx]

Oh right duh

[lone lantern]

sry

XD

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[lone lantern]

fuck idk anymore

[balmy condor]

hopefully it doesn't shatter

discord deleting image links

[craggy cedar]

Okay so just reading around...combat is above sun now? Wft?

[balmy condor]

whats surprising about that

outlaw sims high

[jaunty quarry]

theres something idk passive or talent that gives me instant energy after killing mobs but idk what its and how to proc it...anyone knows ?

[balmy condor]

venomous wounds?

[jaunty quarry]

is that talent ?

sry im new to assa

[balmy condor]

it's the core energy mechanic for assa

defines the entire spec

[sour kernel]

Darkest night also gives back energy

Hero talent bottom most

If u still have stack iirc

[jaunty quarry]

ah i see ty guys ❤️

[nova flax]

Idk. I find it a rather unimpactful talent point

[limber lion]

lol

[frigid kestrel]

Darkest Night works with ER now, ye?

[limber lion]

Why would it suddenly work?

[balmy condor]

understandable

[frigid kestrel]

Idk I thought it didn’t and was a bug. Just asking

[limber lion]

Yeah it doesn't and it is a bug

And still is

[hoary remnant]

You expect it to get fixed?

[limber lion]

And nothing's changed

Once it gets fixed, there will be a massive pin about it

The purple dude will let you know

Don't you worry

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[frigid kestrel]

That’s on me, I just realized I read the bug sheet incorrectly. I thought it was fixed because I’m small brained and seen green vs the red check marks in the first cell.

[limber lion]

Yeah I guess the middle portion could be a different color and not just green

Resolved on the side could be green and the thingy in the middle could be like dark grey or something, idk

@balmy condor thoughts

[frigid kestrel]

Ye I didn’t read and seen green across the board and wanted to confirm. But again its is entirely on me.

[balmy condor]

yah sure

you have access to the sheet?

can go ahead and do it if you'd like or I can get to it later

[limber lion]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Man’s clowning me for a wow streak but updating spreadsheets

[winged nacelle]

guys what embellisment are gonna be bis on assa?

the stillleto maybe or crit 80%?

[limber lion]

How are we feeling about Dark Blue? Grey wasn't doing it.

[limber lion]

spreadsheet gaming > wow

[limber lion]

We have a big pin for it

Should read it

Stiletto bad

[winged nacelle]

MB, thank you very much

[frigid kestrel]

For me, that works

[limber lion]

I think a more pastel-vibe would fit better with the other colors

[spice spire]

God you’re so real for that

[tawny pawn]

not even a sintle hotfix yet?

...

[errant swallow]

What's the fastest way to level and alt now?

[runic hinge]

Pay blizzard $60

[limber lion]

Okay I did some reformatting as well, hopefully the man doesn't kill me 🤞

[hardy wind]

Does the dwarf racial still help a lot in m+ next season or do I finally play a non ugly race

[limber lion]

Should be super clear now, resolved issues at the bottom and all hero talents/assa core sectioned

[limber lion]

Eh doesn't really matter. Play whatever you want

[balmy condor]

your life is over

[limber lion]

Finally

[balmy condor]

updated

[faint quartz]

@balmy condor Hi, in your Afenar edit WA, do you track Slice and Dice? I can't find it

[balmy condor]

only when it's not up

cause when it's up you perma extend it from cut to the chase

and there's no point staring at slice and dice sit at 55s permanently

[errant mauve]

How’s sin looking for ST dmg?

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/bL1Xn.gif

[novel star]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[limber lion]

looks good

[balmy condor]

meh at best atm

[limber lion]

fuck

who do you believe

[balmy condor]

our aoe is huge

[faint quartz]

I just tried it and it's not indicating when it's not up

[balmy condor]

but our single target is just

meh

[dark token]

sin is dungeon spec

sub raid spec

outlaw 4fun spec

[balmy condor]

hm

[limber lion]

Bro I bought 30k air runes to use for splashing and I'm already out

gg

[errant mauve]

Sub is raid pumper you say

[dark token]

dont splash just go crabs

[tawny pawn]

did you github rogue bugs

[dark token]

its like +50% xp

[limber lion]

No, this is faster

[tawny pawn]

god dam sir

[balmy condor]

no one uses that shit anymore

[dark token]

oh are you doing the ToA splash

[limber lion]

Tombs of Amascut splashing

70k with fire strike

lol

[dark token]

is it afk

[limber lion]

6 hours

[dark token]

wtf

[balmy condor]

idk I just logged in and it's chillin

[dark token]

might do that for mage leveling

[limber lion]

as a trade andy you should

[dark token]

im current leveling addy darts for years to get 88 smith for lumby diary

while i play wow

[balmy condor]

do you play on english client @faint quartz ?

[limber lion]

Why does the Deathmark light up

Before Garry's and Ruppies are up

[balmy condor]

it glows when it comes off cd it's just first load things

[limber lion]

Ah right

[faint quartz]

@balmy condor Fuck me, I'm dumb. Yeah you're right it's right there

[balmy condor]

pfew

I thought I fucked up localization or something

[waxen oyster]

….how

[limber lion]

He probably plays the game

[dark token]

play the game

[limber lion]

Called it

[waxen oyster]

only seen 2 wqs

[balmy condor]

how about you seen dn

[waxen oyster]

do you have the worldsoul event unlocked

[spice spire]

I’ve seen darkest night and I wish I didn’t have eyes

[queen herald]

is deathstlaker still bugged ?

[dawn stump]

It'll be fixed by 12.0

[blazing cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[remote ermine]

yeah for any of the specs lo...

[wicked lynx]

How much you paying

[balmy condor]

paying?

brother I'm charging

[runic hinge]

Warrior main

[balmy condor]

what the fuck is this duel

[spice spire]

Former healers in dispel Bob btw

[wicked lynx]

Unfortunate, gl with finding a customer

[scenic nacelle]

To settle once and for all who the real Dr Bob is

[wicked lynx]

[remote vector]

Hi guys, i am having huge issues with my energy management, I'm like all out after 45 seconds or so and i'm not so sure it's supposed to be like that

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[shy crow]

assassination rogue

[remote vector]

Wait, you wrote the guide on Wowhead, didn't you? 😄

[storm forum]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

I'm afraid so

[remote vector]

I'm trying to wrap my head around the Pooling thing

[balmy condor]

little do you know

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

I got a command for that too

(I repeat myself a lot in here)

[mortal briar]

Man. Blizz really missed the mark with hero talents if your Assa. I have to pick between a coin buff rng or an ambush/FoK playstyle 😓😓😓

[remote vector]

The link doesnt work :C

i mean, it doesnt hook to anything

[waxen oyster]

blizz makes players ambush once per fight

and they act like its end of the world

[remote vector]

how does being below 50% affect my envenom?

[balmy condor]

links back to the guide

[balmy condor]

sanguine eats energy, being below 50% means you don't eat energy, not eating energy means more envenoms

[twin raven]

it is the end of the world that's why I play fatebound

[balmy condor]

heaven forbid I have to max out my combo points

[jaunty matrix]

how come every time i check this channel the bot message is here

[cobalt bison]

is it worth maintaining caustic splatter on multiple targets

[jaunty matrix]

[remote vector]

the stratagem?

[runic hinge]

Me when I proc blindside

[cobalt bison]

ggs

[balmy condor]

pack it up boys, we reading today

[runic hinge]

[remote vector]

I dont use SB

[balmy condor]

cause people ask the same 5 fucking questions over and over

[waxen oyster]

i had a rogue in a heroic last week that was doing like

100k on aoe

[storm forum]

oh

[balmy condor]

then no need to worry about energy %, just maintain envenom buff as much as possible

[strange python]

When it says “stay under 50%” is it referring to 50% energy?

[storm forum]

my KB thing next to my name is gone :<

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

So 150

[balmy condor]

we updated them for hero talents

[storm forum]

i guess im a tails gamer now

[remote vector]

So rather than spamming mutilate, mutilate, envenom i chill until envenom is about to run out?

[strange python]

I didn’t know this talent existed.. omg

[balmy condor]

yep

[waxen oyster]

People spend all their time reading “bis lists”

but wont spare a second to read their talents

[lucid silo]

so basically no change from DF?

[strange python]

Hey bud I don’t read either. I just learned to read today

[balmy condor]

no, there's definitely change, dragonflight you used to reset envenom chains back up to 80

that's not a thing anymore

[waxen oyster]

real

[lucid silo]

ah

slight change

[winged basin]

I think I messed up lmao, maybe prio'd crit mastery too hard

almost all my gear is crit mast now, so I am 30% crit 40% mastery, but I have a whopping 3% haste XD

[balmy condor]

what does the sim say though

[waxen oyster]

the numbers mason

what do they mean

[balmy condor]

yeah I didn't read the numbers at all

[storm forum]

stat weight sim time

[balmy condor]

completely skipped over it

[lucid silo]

doesnt really seem worth worrying about min maxing until next week anyway

[balmy condor]

but like

if that's what sims highest for you

[waxen oyster]

yeah i have 0 clue what my stat %s are

[balmy condor]

who cares

[neat rose]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[waxen oyster]

ever

[winged basin]

if I say I havent simmed it, cause I see shiny ilvl upgrade, and go brrr anyways, am I gonna get mentally bombarded? XD

[balmy condor]

nah ilvl upgrade good

[novel star]

that’s literally the correct way to think about gear

agi >>>

[winged basin]

managing to get ilvl upgrades that are all crit mast, and i am a LW so I am literally filling in other pieces WITH crit mast leather anyways

[storm forum]

unless its like <10 ilvls between jewelry, bigger ilvl is probably always better

[uneven ibex]

My 550 has/mas neck simmed higher on st than 571 quest neck from hallowfall

[winged basin]

I got double 590 malleable bands crit mast so thats a non issue 😛

[balmy condor]

okay well if you're already self-crafting gear maybe take like 3 seconds to droptimize yourself

[winged basin]

they have haste enchants tho so

you arent wrong, at all, I literally pay for raidbots

[waxen oyster]

just craft random stats

and let rngesus take the wheel

[storm forum]

the sims cant stop me from feelcrafting my way into getting giga haste

[merry shell]

bee trinket simming highest for me at 580 🐝

press button fly forward

[remote vector]

How do i manage my Shiv AFTER the opener?

[runic hinge]

Don’t we all

[waxen oyster]

no

[winged basin]

xd but to pay for it and not use it

is kinda gross

[balmy condor]

if you have lightweight shiv you just hold it for the next kingsbane, if you don't have lightweight shiv you just cast on cooldown between kingsbanes and use the other charge for kingsbane

[winged basin]

honestly should use it more now that I am floating around 585, but I didnt see a need for it early, cause early xpac is almost always push ilvl >>> secondaries, but now I could probably tune it up a lil bit

[coral vale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[remote vector]

So with LW Shiv i cast the first charge just before Kingsbane and the second one once it runs out?

[balmy condor]

yep

[remote vector]

Like in the opener, basically

[waxen oyster]

they can be effectively chained

each shiv is 8

or was it 9

[novel star]

8

[remote vector]

Thanks for all the help, I'll give the dummy some more fistbumps tomorrow!

[graceful widget]

If you don’t have lw shiv, you shiv last 8 seconds of KB, yeah?

[balmy condor]

yes

[jaunty matrix]

[nimble zinc]

UH holy shit

i had an assa rogue in my heroic dungeon group do 1mil+ in overall dps

running deathstalker

and these talents https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFRRBUVQmJBQCUQNVUVVVEJQUFiQUBFEVVVUCEA

584

[balmy condor]

reasonable yeah

[nimble zinc]

liek, wtufx

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats normal

[nimble zinc]

i didnt know they were that good

[jaunty matrix]

if the group does pauses between pulls so you can restealth you can easily do that much

[balmy condor]

I'm doing like 1.2-1.3 with fatebound depending on the key

[nimble zinc]

[balmy condor]

and if the group doesn't pause you can do even more

[nimble zinc]

he was even running double vanish

[balmy condor]

yeah that's stupid

[jaunty matrix]

with ds without pause my dps is lower

[balmy condor]

but won't really make a difference

[tired gull]

Anyone have an optimal bubbling wax farming route?

[nimble zinc]

and not KB??

[jaunty matrix]

haven't tried fb yet

[waxen oyster]

1mil isnt that crazy in 580+ gear

pretty sure i got that when i was low 570s

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine too for heroics, nothing to press kb on

[nimble zinc]

yeah but overall? Highest i've seen other dps do overall is like 600-700k

[waxen oyster]

skill issue

LOL

[jaunty matrix]

^

[balmy condor]

run around darkflame cleft

[nimble zinc]

i guess so

[waxen oyster]

i’ve gotten 600k as prot warrior

pre sure

[balmy condor]

yeh 600-700k is skill issue

[jaunty matrix]

that's the dps i do as prot warrior

[balmy condor]

1mil is totally reasonable if you're geared and playing well

[jaunty matrix]

on fury you pop cds and its instant 1.5mil dps

tactical nuke - the spec

awaiting for the nerf

[nimble zinc]

f'real

[winged basin]

who'd of thunk it, the sims want me to get some more haste in my life lol

[balmy condor]

god is real

[waxen oyster]

felscarred havoc is pretty wild too

on burst aoe

[winged basin]

no nerf inc, cause any burst is gonna look good when mobs last 5 seconds in heroic 😛

[jaunty matrix]

blizz has a history of nerfing warrior after the expac drops

but no complains if they don't

[balmy condor]

literally every spec in the game says that

[jaunty matrix]

yeah but the other specs are wrong

especially the paladins and the mages

[waxen oyster]

i dont play fury in dungeons much

instant q prot>

[balmy condor]

instant q dn in your mouth

set your spellqueue window to 2 inches

cause that's all you're getting

[waxen oyster]

[jaunty matrix]

wtf

insane community figure

[balmy condor]

this is just a normal tuesday

hi, I'm whispyr

[jaunty matrix]

i like you whispyr

i'm birb

[cobalt sphinx]

depends on the dungeon

[balmy condor]

birbs are cool

I'm down

[jaunty matrix]

yes they are

[cobalt sphinx]

some dungeons have small pulls like threads

and some are ass like cleft

[balmy condor]

do you wanna see my gfs bird?

[jaunty matrix]

yes

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451574673713397770/1280449114915602482/IMG_1709.jpg?ex=66d8c76a&is=66d775ea&hm=5c06051444422f2b1c7ab08acbba4c46ad581128a24103e7423431c34a7f2237&=&format=webp&width=810&height=456

he gets real close

[waxen oyster]

If you’re not pulling the entire room

are you really living

[jaunty matrix]

🦜

he investigates

looking through the lens

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451574673713397770/1274233278089396314/IMG_1369.jpg?ex=66d893f7&is=66d74277&hm=fa19135d5ac1b1152afb61bd05b95c2950f1bcfddfc4ccc0c8c59ef81bc15147&=&format=webp&width=687&height=1222

he's cute

the girls aight

[jaunty matrix]

she is blessed by the birb

to be in its presence

[balmy condor]

I'm in it for bird content

[jaunty matrix]

tell her to not waste such an honor

[normal mist]

She won't know

[balmy condor]

he doesn't like me much though

he keeps trying to preen my toes

[fringe oxide]

[jaunty matrix]

preened toes best toes

[balmy condor]

would be fine if he understood the difference between feathers and toenails

but he's a little dumb

[jaunty matrix]

wtf

how dare you

you primate

reeeeee

birb knows the difference

but birb doesn't care

not birb's fault your inferior species never evolved further

featherless

[balmy condor]

yeah but I have thumbs

and he doesn't

L bird

[jaunty matrix]

don't need them

we mind control the raccoons to do our biding

[normal mist]

You can cook the bird, he can't cook you. L bird

[balmy condor]

true

[jaunty matrix]

we will see who gets cooked

[fringe oxide]

I've given up on the deathstalker stealth ambush interaction in heroics. I keep on losing my capstone and hero talent in general from random damage as the tank keeps pulling and me not ambushing a target before the aoe damage. I hope raid will be better otherwise I'll just keep flipping coins. I'm a heroic raider so I'll probably get away with it. But I've never felt so bad at my spec.

[balmy condor]

nah I went to her house one time and called for him, he flew to me, flapped in my face, and then landed on my girlfriends shoulder

you can for sure get cooked by a bird

[normal mist]

LOL

[jaunty matrix]

you were found worthy to be in his presence

otherwise he would have gotten your eyes

for daring to look upon his superior form

[normal mist]

Imagine if it was a parrot, and he got real close to your ear and was like "get lost boZo"

I love when parrots talk back

[jaunty matrix]

you should see cockatoos

first they talk back

and then they beat you up