assassination

[royal lantern]

not spamming

it has no instant dmg, its only a dot

keep ct running->apply rupture until endless energy/scent of blood is stacked full(6 targets)->do dmg on 1 guy and cleave with spatter, thats assa aoe

[warped jackal]

Love you man . ya Crimson only keep it up . ok got you no point on using mutli untill i finsh spread rapture bleading than i use it to spam envanom

[dusty zenith]

just spam fok until your fingers bleed

[royal lantern]

we are not in BfA anymore

[dusty zenith]

I miss BFA tbh

[royal lantern]

BfA had some good stuff yeha

the probably best raids we had expansion wise, almost all of them where bangers in some way

[rotund oak]

bfa was amazing

[novel star]

[normal mist]

I've finally taken the time to solo nyalotha yesterday

[novel star]

i miss bfa too

[dusty zenith]

lol

[royal lantern]

defeating Nzoth pre-corruption vendor was a achievment for me, ngl

i had legit 0 dmg corruptions

[haughty flicker]

bfa was the first time i started doing raids at all

i missed out on aotc nyalotha by 1 pull because i had to go to work the next morning

good times

[surreal crag]

After initial improved garrote, do we only garrote in AOE for caustic spatter purposes?

[warped jackal]

1 more question tryan is there weakaura or addon or plater that can help me on tracking rapture because with alot of targeets i cant see the dots on some target i have to tab

[radiant raven]

G'hunn ball mechanics though

[royal lantern]

plater is helpfull for that, weakauras are "only" your current target (still need that one to track everything)

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

wdym

[dusty zenith]

Mythic Mekkatorque is where the boy were seperated from the men.

[royal lantern]

was forced to play sub for that one cus assa could not do it lol

[radiant raven]

I made our monks do it.

[novel star]

unbuffed garrote is rly low prio ye but wdym by relating it to spatter

[radiant raven]

I don't remember what i did on that fight though

[surreal crag]

oh

shit

[dusty zenith]

to spatter you need to have garrote and rupture applied

[surreal crag]

for some reason I thought it was garrote + rupture not rupture + deadly poisons

that's on me

ty

[royal lantern]

no

[novel star]

???

[royal lantern]

only rupture

[novel star]

what

i almost got gaslit

what the fuck

lol

[dusty zenith]

opps

your right

deadly

no garrote

[royal lantern]

spatter needs rupture+deadly poison (and deadly posion is active on everything anyway)

[royal lantern]

gaslighting is not real

[radiant raven]

It took me a hot second to remember that it's just rupture, when I was learning / re-learning Assa this reset haha.

It feels real natural once youg et used to it though

[novel star]

did it used to be both?

[royal lantern]

nope, was always only rupture+deadly

[novel star]

i swear it’s been rupture only forever

okay lol

[radiant raven]

I think my brain decided it was and I wanted both up

[novel star]

but yeah

spending the gcd on non stealth garrote is just bad afaik

the bleed isnt that big you don’t need it for energy (ruptures are enough) and you get one combo point instead of like potentially a full bar lol

[dusty zenith]

every trinket I find has an on use ability. its really annoying trying to fit them in with the DM rotation

[subtle tundra]

True

Playing fate bound, become one 9 to 5 flipper

[novel star]

if it’s an ogcd 2 min like a lot of them you can just macro it with deathmark

[grim jay]

Imagine playing fatebound

[subtle tundra]

Can't hear you over my schwing sound from the coin in the air

[grim jay]

Those guys are the same that sniff on random bicycle seats in the city

[royal lantern]

imgine playing deathbound and acting as if its good desinged

and even worse, imagine beeing forced to chose bettwen those 2 failures

[subtle tundra]

Yea, what about it. Nobody is stopping me

[grim jay]

Hey, dw, no kink shaming

[restive falcon]

r yall using your crests to go past 580 gear?

[subtle tundra]

Imagine actively ruining your gameplay by playing deathstalker

[haughty flicker]

the weathered crests are fine to use

[novel star]

using crests on crafts is more efficient but it doesn’t really matter, they’re just heroic garbage

do whatever you want

[royal lantern]

not really

[novel star]

gear is fake right now

[scenic dawn]

1st major patch I believe

[restive falcon]

cause im at like 295 crests rn and capped valorstones

[novel star]

use them lol

[grim jay]

Except that it doesnt, its pretty natural to me by now, the occasional ER reminder aside

[subtle tundra]

They are useless crests, use them

[novel star]

they’re the dogshit crests you get from HC only

irrelevant the second you start m0

[restive falcon]

the ones above them tho i shouldnt use still right?

i forget what they r called the onces above the HC ones

[scenic dawn]

ye next week we get t8 delves and m0 and raid right

so just spend them innit

[grim jay]

Play deez

[haughty flicker]

i dont mind deathstalker ngl

[royal lantern]

my thing was "yo, lets upgrade all items i drop to 580 cus why not" and "oh, got a dagger, lets max it cus high ilvl mainhand is kinda good"

thats it

[haughty flicker]

i just fucking hate the er bug because it makes me feel sad inside

[radiant raven]

Same

[novel star]

it’s fine cb is bugged too

[grim jay]

I found Captain Based, gotta report it to the heroes league

[royal lantern]

HOLY SHIT

[subtle tundra]

Not playing deathstalker until raid, and then only in raid until we get m+ so suck it

[royal lantern]

did they fix the AH????

[radiant raven]

Yeah

It's been really smooth in EU, at least

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

they mentioned they knew what the issue was and were working on it

so maybe

[royal lantern]

selling my enchant dust took 2seconds

holy shit

[grim jay]

But its better in m+ aswell, so suck it back!

[subtle tundra]

Literally what I said

I'll play it in m+

[restive falcon]

the Carved Harbinger crests we should hold the ones up to +3 m+ right

[subtle tundra]

Not in irrelevant content such as m0

[grim jay]

It reads as if you would play it only in raid

[grim jay]

They said they would on reset

Guess na reset fixed it for us aswell

[haughty flicker]

not na reset yet

but close enough

[grim jay]

Oh right, its in like 5 hours or smth?

[haughty flicker]

if it doesnt take me 30 minutes to sell the random stuff i got from wax its a win

[harsh harbor]

they throttled the hell out of it so the TSM folks cant spam cancel anymore.

[haughty flicker]

82m to reset

[inner coral]

btw do you guys know of any discord for crafters and whatnot

people who can make 590s basically

[grim jay]

We use the tradechat

For crafts

[subtle tundra]

Are you draenor eu? My guild can provide for fair prices

[inner coral]

i am- but does server still matter?

[grim jay]

Sounds good

[subtle tundra]

No idea I just know my guild had a cartel for like a week

[novel star]

no

[worldly sail]

server matters if you don't want to leave your guild

[novel star]

i mean it changes like ah prices i think but

[worldly sail]

but if you join someone elses guild you can use guild orders

[lapis depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[subtle salmon]

guys is sin hard to play?

havent played rogue for years

[radiant raven]

I picked it up pretty quickly and i'm an absolute idiot. You just need to read the fundamentals, practice a bit and get comfy. You'll do great 🙂

[subtle salmon]

thank you!

do u find it fun to play?

[radiant raven]

I do, actually. I think it has a very good flow to it, and blasting caustic spatter is really fun.

[subtle salmon]

is that a talent or what?

[radiant raven]

Caustic Spatter is a talent that causes 45% of your poison damage to hit other enemies, with damaged reduced over 5 targets.

[hoary fulcrum]

Hey all. Looking to see if there is something Im doing wrong on sin. I've played it a bunch in Dragonflgiht, but not much in keys. Should I be expecting to be energy starved on bosses? After CDs are over? Liek I dont have full tea charges and what not, because Im using them on packs, but maybe I shouldn't?

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

You use tea in shiv windows when you'd gain 100 energy from pressing it

[dull cloak]

sin does feel more starved on ST currently than in DF, when you're waiting for cds

[subtle salmon]

really?

u can feel it?

the downtime

[dull cloak]

yes

[subtle salmon]

ffs

i hate downtime lol

[normal mist]

Because of various talent changes

And we also playing vicious venom in ST

[hoary fulcrum]

Well.... okay. That helps a bit. And im DEFINITELY sending abilities soon as i have energy which is bad. But i still struggle to keep envenom up. probably a product of what i just said

Did whispyrs video address pooling? Or has that not changed since DF? I can't remember if it was in the guides of where we want our energy to be

[normal mist]

Yeah it's normal, don't worry. Some people hate not pressing buttons like a fury warrior can, I see it as "I deal damage when I'm supposed to"

Instead of zug zug

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[whole sand]

sometimes you're not going to be able to maintain envenom, that's okay

if you can't maintain it, hold to 50% energy

[subtle tundra]

And stats lost and I've heard enchants and shit are weaker

[normal mist]

Wdym stats

[spice wasp]

33% mastery is alot ?

[normal mist]

Sim

[subtle tundra]

Yea going from 25 to 5 haste is something

And losing crit

[normal mist]

That's 4(?) gcds per minute I believe

CRIT is more feel able

[subtle tundra]

That's like 10%

It is something

[normal mist]

Command says 10% = 2 gcds

I suppose 20+ would be 4ish

[subtle tundra]

How much haste is bl

[normal mist]

40

Iirc

[subtle tundra]

You do feel drums bl when used

I do atleast.

[hoary fulcrum]

This helped a ton. Appreciate this.

[minor swift]

who is dalaran gaming? is he "trustworthy" as a rouge player? :D

[slate crown]

I don't really feel it on rogue, I absolutely feel it on a non-gcd capped class, like on fury war I absolutely feel haste increases

[steel ridge]

30%

Multiplicative

[granite hedge]

Anybody knows the plater profile Whisphyr uses in his latest Assa guide ??

[prime cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[granite hedge]

ty

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

I trust whispyr sim results

Dalaran used to do a lot of pvp content, and I also saw his recent PvE guide

[minor swift]

hm okay

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, looking for addons that allows u to track dots on packs, i always have baseline UI and i can only track dots by targeting the mob.. not great 😄

[whole sand]

plater and then one of the profiles linked above

[terse mesa]

do you have wekauras or plater?

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[past forum]

I feel haste on rogue cause I have a weakaura that meows whenever I auto attack

[faint quartz]

Can someone show me what Whispyr's afenar edit looks like, and tell me it's advantages over NaowhUI's Rogue auras?

[normal mist]

If bl 40%, you have let's say 10/20% passive, you reach 50/60% haste. That's around 10-12 globals extra you're pressing thanks to passive haste + BL. BUT if you are in a BL timer, you're probably bursting too, and if you have DM up, you'd be gcd capped anyway

[thorny crown]

New to assa and havent written that much in the dc. What seems to best for m+? DS or fatebound?

[whole sand]

fatebound until you start needing prio

[thorny crown]

Thank you!

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[neat sable]

HAHA WHAT

[thorny crown]

great to know command. Thanks

[fierce pike]

is there somewhere i can read thru all these !things

[tepid pollen]

it's multiplicative and it's 30% so if you have 10/20% base it will become 43/56%

[normal mist]

Nop

[normal mist]

I'm not a maths guy, but the result will be the same nevertheless

Thanks for pointing that out tho

[cobalt geyser]

Hey guys have a quick question does Fatal Intent have some hidden cap ? or it just stacks till mob/boss hit 20% HP and then nuke drops ?

[normal mist]

It can stack a lot iirc but it's DMG isn't that good afaik, probably tuning issues from what I've seen

To be fair mobs die really quickly right now

We gotta wait for raid / m+

[cobalt geyser]

Wanted to know as how it interacts with raid bosses but yeah 😄 thanks a lot

[quartz fable]

Any good spreadsheet with prea season gear ?

[echo heath]

I keep seeing people in the community saying caustic spatter needs nerfed, are we expecting this?

[gusty stag]

As a whole they might shift some damage to other talents.. But I dont see assa being nerfed right now. They are barely top 5 overall dps

[tall jay]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[echo heath]

would be a shame really, it creates a fun interactive playstyle to our aoe

[tall jay]

So, I am think of getting the belt made. With the spark and the new bsl thing…is that a bad thing? Or should I wait

[snow kindle]

just make the belt w/o spark

[placid adder]

No reason to use spark atm

[tall jay]

Ah ok

Which belt then

[snow kindle]

the blue one at R5

[tall jay]

Ok

[orchid vessel]

what is the current status of the assassin? could he be a top dps?

[uncut knot]

I don't but i've seen recomendations bellow, i'll try that, thx 🙂

[gusty stag]

This is from the patch at launch on beta servers.. So Assa is rank 8 aproxx.

Rank 1 - Frost DK - Slight nerf next patch
Rank 2 - Fury - No changes announced
Rank 3 - Ret- 5% Buff to all holy damage
Rank 4 - Arms - No changes announced
Rank 5 - Marksman - No changes announced
Rank 6 - Unholy DK - No changes announced
Rank 7 - Elemental Shaman - Slight single target nerf, Slight aoe buff
Rank 8 - Assa Rogue - No changes announced

Rogue generally scores low as a whole on all lists.. Sure assa can deal some damage, but rogue is right now far from an S tier class..

[subtle tundra]

i will get aids

thanks

[gusty stag]

So as a thumb rule we should expect to get nerfed to the ground as usual haha

[orchid vessel]

@gusty stag can you share the link web ?

[gusty stag]

https://u.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings

[orchid vessel]

but u.gg ? reliable ?

[gusty stag]

Be noted this was for patch 11.0

[orchid vessel]

ohhh

[gusty stag]

It's game data.. They parse all logs from mythic dungeons, so it's not an opinion

[zealous jay]

Naowh's spinning wheel to do tier list might be just as good tbf

[gusty stag]

I believe it's more accurate than some streamer saying x is S tier and y is B tier 🙂

[whole sand]

why

[junior yoke]

Arcane mage 19 XDDD

SUUUURE

[gusty stag]

This is from high mythic keys from beta

[orchid vessel]

M+ , fake ?

[snow kindle]

tier lists arent real 😭

[zealous jay]

It isn't

[nova aspen]

anything above aug is a kek

[whole sand]

tier lists are such a curse man

[orchid vessel]

[subtle tundra]

go to every site with tier lists and post every tier list please

[gusty stag]

Tier is tier.. I want data :p

I don't care about someone calling something s tier.. whats the throughput 🙂

[subtle tundra]

wait for hc week to get data?

wait for mythic week for m+ data?

[radiant raven]

I think we need a time machine to get accurate data.

[zealous jay]

Not 500k to begin with, so I would start with understanding what your data should be

[gusty stag]

Why? We have data from PTR...?

[subtle tundra]

yea.......

[gusty stag]

The changes made to all specs since last patch is minor

We talking 2-3% changes in damage across a few specs..

Not like a complete revamp of all classes

[haughty flicker]

Brother there are like 4 classes there over 1000 logs

[radiant raven]

1 - 3% is pretty substanial depending on circumstance, so you are already talking about inaccurate data. PTR doesn't include everything, and we have no way of knowing future changes before heroic week. So like, you can get a picture. but it's gonna be inaccurate and incomplete. And the sample size isn't gonna be really big (or in the right content) to draw any real conclusion from.

[haughty flicker]

Even if u.gg provided useful information it couldn’t with those sample sizes

[zenith prairie]

Does caustic spatter cleave kingsbane dmg?

[gusty stag]

We we're coming off a dicussion about "Is assa gonna get nerfed"

My 5 cent is, no it's not performing nearly good enough to be in the category "Overpowered"

Not if logs are accurate and if it will be like this on launch.. Obviously there will be changes, already coming tomorrow 🙂

[subtle tundra]

i hope we do ❣️

[uneven plume]

Why do people think assa getting nerfed when our ST is lacking

If anything, it will probably be buffed after raid week tuning

[subtle tundra]

if there is caustic spatter abuse we might get nerfed

i havent looked at the fights yet

[zealous jay]

I think there is something you are not understanding here, if you are talking about the logs u.gg is using they are NOT from beta

They are most likely from prepatch which means they have 0 value for whatever discussion

[willow cloud]

I’ve heard the assa ST is lacking before, but how many specs are there that are outperforming our ST in content where it actually matters? I think it’s less than 4. But I am genuinely curious to learn who has significantly better ST if there is one.

[echo heath]

everyones just in their feelings, people who aren't at the top are bitching about everyone above them

[gusty stag]

Did you guys even play beta? 😛

Im telling you assa is not strong 😄 i dont know why everyone is saying it. Don't get me wrong I love assa, and I will play it regardless. 😛

@zealous jay Fair enough, might be wrong on that one.

It feels correct tho looking at the last week of beta who was shredding in high keys

[uneven plume]

assa is strong in M+ but unfort we dont bring +3% int

[zealous jay]

Aint nobody doing 500k on beta bro

[uneven plume]

so its irrelevent

[zealous jay]

That's healer dps

[subtle tundra]

no cause blizz didnt want me to

[raven panther]

that was prepatch xD

[subtle tundra]

so i couldnt

[gusty stag]

https://your-mmo.com/war-within/the-war-within-beta-dps-rankings-consolidated-logs-from-raid-test-week-5/

This was only raid testing tho

But assa is... ass.. in singletarget

[willow cloud]

Testing from early July might as well be from Vanilla

[gusty stag]

Why?

Assa has gotten absolutely 0 changes lol

[spice spire]

That’s false

[subtle tundra]

didnt deathstalker get some buffs

[spice spire]

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

Oh god the raid test logs

[subtle tundra]

also arent bugfixes happening all the time

[gusty stag]

No it allegedly got fixed

[subtle tundra]

not only for assa, but all classes

[spice spire]

No many things were fixed

There was just

A lot wrong

And still is

[nova aspen]

raid test logs isn't good data

they are testing, not parsing

and its old

[spice spire]

This is outdated info and bad information to gather

That being said

[subtle tundra]

people are wiping on purpose, not dpsing and shit just to test mechanics

[spice spire]

Not hopeful on damage being high

[zealous jay]

But anyway, if you care only about numbers and placing your spec vs others ... just look at the sims ?

[gusty stag]

Well the lists look pretty much how last week in beta looked like when we did mythics and raids.

We're still coming off "is assa about to get nerfed"

😛

Im arguing its not

I dont care about numbers, i care about the spec feeling fluent to play 😛

[haughty flicker]

Nobody is arguing sin does op st damage, you just keep using the worst possible data to try and back your argument up

[spice spire]

The only thing nerfable on sin is CT damage. The rest is very mid

[subtle tundra]

id nerf caustic

[proven jasper]

CT a cranker for sure

[spice spire]

People have been saying we might be nerfed for a bit

[spice spire]

Caustic also cranking

[haughty flicker]

Not because of st

[spice spire]

Oh I know

[dark token]

Keep CT good

[subtle tundra]

DO NOT nerf MY BLEED

[dark token]

It sucked past seasons

Do not nerf bleed

[spice spire]

But on the loose end of fathom. It is what it is

[uneven plume]

they dont care about AoE M+ abilities

[dark token]

Where did my CT icon go

[uneven plume]

they care about raid logs

if sin is doing bad in raid

[dark token]

CT is never used in raid so they don't care exactly

[uneven plume]

nothing will get nerfed

[spice spire]

I mean I agree. But that’s the only thing that I was like holy, this is what real damage feels like

Rest is aggressively mid

[haughty flicker]

CT pog

[subtle tundra]

caustic hard carried assa into getting nerfed in amirdrassil, LOL

[dark token]

Yes sin finally good dmg for first time in keys ever since 8.0

[dark token]

Cause of raid dmg

They don't balance for keys

[subtle tundra]

exactly my point

[dark token]

Destro was turbo op aoe in keys

[spice spire]

My gear is shit and I’m cranking 1.5m on mid packs

[dark token]

In s4

Then they buffed it

Cause it was bad St in raid

[gusty stag]

You guys gonna learn this the hard way 😄

[dark token]

Also tbh

[gusty stag]

The only reason it feels so good right now, is cause stuff dies fast 😛

[vestal wren]

fixed it for you

[dark token]

Sin is easy to play in raid and not that good in keys

A lot of sin rogues I see suck at dungoens

I did random queues where I'm doing 2m on a pack, other random sin is doing 2-300k

[spice spire]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

idk who youre talking to

[uneven plume]

your Sudden Demise hit faster

[dark token]

They balance around avg player not top keys

[uneven plume]

[dark token]

So avg sin sucks in keys and does low keys

So it won't be nerfed

[spice spire]

Not seen a good sin rogue yet even if I play it every key

[dark token]

Unless we are too good in raid

Also, sudden demise is hard carrying yes

In high keys sudden demise went to 1-3% of my dps

[dark token]

Right now it's like 10%

Or more

So it will not be op in high keys I think

[gusty stag]

It def does not I can tell you 😛

[dark token]

Warr also seems insane

[uneven plume]

Warr in the gulag

along with the rest of the melee

[dark token]

Like prot warrior was tying my windwalker DPS in a key

Rofl

[proven jasper]

prot warrior is insane

rn

[dark token]

And fury is nuts also

[proven jasper]

Yeah fury too

[dark token]

So I don't think we are op for keys

For m0s? Sure

But I think we are strong and tied for good spot

Along with other classes

For actual push keys

Don't think it warrants a nerf

[gusty stag]

Church it depends really

If you outgear content it will feel good

[dark token]

Not to mention rogue has poor comp synergy compared to casters or warrior/monk

[gusty stag]

But im 99% sure it will feel cuffed when you try to push keys

[dark token]

So even if we are strong dam it's chance we won't be meta

And assa has poor defensives as well

[uneven plume]

the meta is already determined

[dark token]

So I doubt it will be in top keys

[uneven plume]

mage/aug/sp

[dark token]

Maybe key level -2

[subtle tundra]

no it wont cause guess what you wont play around being a sudden demise bot, you will play around caustic and spatter

[dark token]

Top players doing 30 assa will be 28

[subtle tundra]

like in df

[gusty stag]

Wait for warrior dk enhanchment tomorrow 😛

[haughty flicker]

Nothing happens tomorrow

[proven jasper]

Rogue buffs inc next week

[dark token]

So yeah don't think assa needs nerf except possibly for raid but idk the st dmg

[nova aspen]

dk got nerfed today

[proven jasper]

when arcane nerf

[gusty stag]

Yeah frost got a slight nerf.. like overall a few percent

[haughty flicker]

Burden of power change isn’t a huge nerf but it definitely destroyed their mental

So arcane is crippled irl if not in game

[proven jasper]

good good

[uneven plume]

arcane didnt budge

its still number 1 spec

maybe number 2 behind aug

[proven jasper]

cringe

[uneven plume]

its too good

mage is way too good

[inner rapids]

Hi ! during KB, if a rupture is about to fall off is it better to refresh it or just envenom as much as possible ?

[visual prairie]

devs: "how do we crush their spirit without actually nerfing the spec very much?"

[uneven plume]

frost and arcane is really good. And fire will get their scheduled buff somewhere 2-3 weeks in as always

[haughty flicker]

Yeah it was only like a 3-5% nerf but the mental damage is incalculable

Feel bad for the tc guy though who has to redo the entire apl

[nova aspen]

im sure the frost dk channel is rioting

[visual prairie]

still, it's usually a pretty good strategy to just start 20% ahead of everyone else and then doom over your 5% nerf so hopefully that's all you get

[scarlet spade]

Do you guys advise against crafting anything just yet considering there is still tuning being done or is it fairly safe to craft at the moment

[arctic socket]

Don’t craft anything until you do your mythic dungeons

[uneven plume]

you can craft 590s with just crests

[haughty flicker]

Don’t use sparks

[uneven plume]

but save spark craft

[haughty flicker]

Can craft 590s though

[arctic socket]

Unless you’re crafting a spark wep that’s a safe craft

[gusty stag]

You can always just recraft tho

[arctic socket]

Definitely don’t craft any tier piece slots (spark)

[scarlet spade]

Got a 590 dagger was gonna craft something with an embellishment but was kinda worried blizzard might have tuning that swings in a different direction

[gusty stag]

No ofc.. Craft belt, boots or bracers if you want

[uneven plume]

i crafted cape, 2 weps, belt, boot, bracers and two rings

[arctic socket]

I crafted 590 wrist / boots with the dawn thread embodiment

[uneven plume]

thats about it for crafting

everything else just 580 gear

[gusty stag]

Im pretty sure dawnthread is w/e

I mean its just a passive crit buff so

If they change it, could it get worse? 😛

[arctic socket]

It’s only 1600 crit with both pieces

[uneven plume]

im happy the embels etc are not too good

we need to steer away from borrowed power

[arctic socket]

I also spark crafted myself a wep… but the guild I’m in we are trying to push Tuesday

[gusty stag]

Yeah it's fine, I wish they put more into tier set tho

[arctic socket]

Sin tier set is basic asf but sick

[uneven plume]

nah tier set being basic is fine for s1

[arctic socket]

Hero talents tho

Did we get any surprise bug fixes today?

[gusty stag]

yeah but 1% poison dmg x 10 and then another 10% on 4th set is just like meh

[uneven plume]

isnt that giga for Caustic tho?

[gusty stag]

Yes it is

It's just boring design, like hero talents 😛

[fading mason]

When playing 1 shiv Charge so wie still shiv the beginning of deathmark, or the end of kingsbane

[uneven plume]

end

[gusty stag]

"Here take some passive dmg on top of your stuff"

[proven jasper]

they always do that for s1 releases tho

[gusty stag]

Maybe yeah.. I was hoping Chris would spice that up 😛

I mean don't get me wrong I hate the tiersets that force you to a certain build (like marksman hunter in season 1 df)

[arctic socket]

Idc about the tier set bonuses n shit being passive just make it function properly with ER already

[harsh anchor]

Chris is story man tho

[proven jasper]

[crisp pine]

Dragonflight S1 Set was like
Envenom increases weapon poison damange
and
Weapon poison have a chance to increase bleed damage
or something?

[gusty stag]

Yeah if they could atleast fix the hero talents first 😛

[spice spire]

You gotta function properly first ig dog

[kind lake]

!ui

[dusty zenith]

was there no reset today?

[spice spire]

!wa

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[gusty stag]

no tomorrow

US reset today

EU reset tomorrow

[spice spire]

For NA yeah today

[arctic socket]

Fight me

[spice spire]

Buddy you’re a state down. I will

[arctic socket]

Com on

Start driving

[gusty stag]

Record it, loser has to play with swords only entire expansion

[nova aspen]

thats unfair, meet half way

[spice spire]

At work. Unfort

[gusty stag]

Then you can play outlaw 😄

[spice spire]

I’d never play outlaw

Easy win

[arctic socket]

Quake wouldn’t drive here for me

Outlaw looks pretty uh

Yeah atm

[grim jay]

quake back at home

welcome back to based city

[spice spire]

Brother I never played outlaw to begin with

I’m literally an OTP

[gusty stag]

This is kinda a plateau to hit.. I wonder how people get to 590 ilvl.. What do you guys have?

[eternal ferry]

Has echoing been fixed yet ?

[spice spire]

You right

[grim jay]

ikr, but you called me out the other day, so you left

[arctic socket]

I’m 586 as well

[grim jay]

[arctic socket]

Believe 586 is the highest you can get too atm

[spice spire]

If by fixed you mean does it work with dn.
No

[tepid lichen]

renown gear, crafting, upgrading

[tepid lichen]

u can go 590+

[gusty stag]

No theres 590 people 😛

I mean.. not people

[arctic socket]

How in the fuck are they 591

“‘Al

[gusty stag]

You gotta have some special ability to get there 😄

[arctic socket]

Wait

Actually with this reset

[somber sparrow]

but should one? I don't think people should spend all their crests on this type of gear

[haughty flicker]

probably used delve keys

[grim jay]

only the low crests from hc

[tepid lichen]

they crafted 590s and upgraded everything proper and got all the renown gear

[gusty stag]

Delve is locked at 471 ilvl tho, you thinking crests?

[somber sparrow]

584 veteran gear from renown

[gusty stag]

I have 584 all pieces too 😛

except trinket cause.. yeah 😛

[spice spire]

Including the factions of spider?

[arctic socket]

I have full renown gear and a spark wep at 606 and I’m only at 486.3

[gusty stag]

486.25 here 😄

[spice spire]

486

[arctic socket]

586

[spice spire]

We last expansion

[arctic socket]

Not used to new numbers yet

[gusty stag]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/Dotenv

[arctic socket]

Still calling Valorstones flightstones

[gusty stag]

This guy has 591 as rogue 😛

590 sry

[crisp pine]

It's gonna be so hype replacing most of that stuff with the first drops from m0

[arctic socket]

Damn

47% mastery

Dudes a gamer

[gusty stag]

Not sure how he got so many crests to upgrade all gear tho

[uneven plume]

prob converted the next level crests

[arctic socket]

All he did was upgrade helm and rest is crafted items

[uneven plume]

to the lower ones

which is wild

lmaoo

[gusty stag]

should only be able to like craft 8 items at 590 with crests if my calculater works

[grim jay]

yeah he probably just stacked 2 stats, real gamer

[tepid lichen]

that guy wasted a lot of money lol

[visual prairie]

i am 586, nothing crafted

[uneven plume]

brodie is ahead of the curve just to peak at ksm again

[haughty flicker]

i had 300 weathered crests before reset, so 10 crafted checks out

unless im dumb, its 30 per right

[normal mist]

Yes

[gusty stag]

Yeah but

He upgraded trinkets, neck & crafted 7 items

9 items sry

[normal mist]

Good for him

[uneven plume]

he leveled renowns to like 12 which is the last time you get weathered from them

[haughty flicker]

thats less than 300 still

oh 9

[gusty stag]

315 crests

[uneven plume]

and then he converted the level two crests to the level 1 ones

[gusty stag]

No he used those

to upgrade helm and bracers

[exotic epoch]

do we have updated sims for assa st?

[gusty stag]

606 both

But yeah he put in like 500.000g lol

even enchants man

[pliant remnant]

A fool and his money are easily parted.

[grim jay]

he didnt upgrade bracers, they are crafted

which is bad already

[arctic socket]

Yeah those wep enchants are kinda crazy

[nova aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty stag]

Oh right, spark item is 606 in rank 5

[normal mist]

It doesn't matter what he did

[arctic socket]

40k or so each kinda crazy to spend on a 590

[uneven plume]

its all getting replaced next week

[arctic socket]

Not the spark item

[gusty stag]

I completely understand, I was just wondering how they did it 😛

[tall cradle]

yall r just jelly of him ( not his wrists tho )

[uneven plume]

except the spark item

[tall cradle]

bro bought the wrong rolex

[gusty stag]

586 is manageable within a budget 😛

590 is expensive like being married

[arctic socket]

But he probably went hard to push raid next Tuesday

[grim jay]

everyone couldve done it

so

why would anyone be jealous

especially on stuff thats irrelevant next week

[arctic socket]

Naw I’m jealous of his stat weights

[grim jay]

bcs of how bad they are?

[arctic socket]

Exactly

[spice spire]

Stat weights

[grim jay]

im quite positive his stats arent what anyone would want, since he couldve chose many slots

[arctic socket]

That low amount of haste n vers seems criminal lol

[uneven plume]

the haste is really low

should be like 7-10

for AoE

more for ST

[grim jay]

no

[dark token]

Stat weights sims are goated

[grim jay]

it should be what the sims recommend

[normal mist]

?

[dark token]

Best sim

[grim jay]

[dark token]

For craftsim

[normal mist]

What are y'all talking about

% for what?

[dark token]

I use it all the time to figure out best gold stat weights for crafting

[proven jasper]

we got some professional feelcrafters in here

[uneven plume]

for dungeon slice the sims are telling me 7% haste is perfectly fine

needs more for Patchwork

[grim jay]

[twin plume]

stats are a lie

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

I rly didn’t know it was possible to get that low haste

[grim jay]

everything is possible with that many crafted items

[arctic socket]

True

[grim jay]

also sub plays with really low haste

[proven jasper]

I got 3% haste rn with no crafted items

[radiant raven]

At one point in DF, I had 0% haste as Sub

[proven jasper]

On sub

[radiant raven]

It was a lovely time

[proven jasper]

Crankin

[arctic socket]

Ye but I guess it doesn’t rly matter now with energy

[acoustic roost]

no timestrike dagger? sad

[arctic socket]

Kinda normal to be starved

[spice spire]

Can’t wait to crank tn

[proven jasper]

Me too

[spice spire]

Hell yeah brother

[arctic socket]

What you crankin

Heroics?

[radiant raven]

timestrike dagger didn't exist. it's a conspiracy.

[arctic socket]

Weekly readers?

[spice spire]

DN

(Darkest night)

[arctic socket]

Would someone mind saving me time and linking me the hot fix changes

[sturdy stirrup]

batman

[spice spire]

Like today’s tuning?

[burnt raven]

[tired gull]

Hog

[deep wave]

Hey guys, bugs aside whats the general consesus for assasination in war within?

from flow/enjoyment POV

[tired gull]

I like it

[delicate imp]

I'm enjoying it

[deep wave]

me too so far, only complaint is the aoe is kind of shit to spread

[fiery mauve]

Same as df

[deep wave]

needing stealth on each pack and all

[fiery mauve]

[crisp pine]

I haven't stealthed even once in my entire life actually
Feels pretty good
Still playing Carnage tho

[kind gorge]

how does shadowmeld work ;
sometimes I am not able to re stealth

[desert cove]

yo

darkest night is getting reproc'd

when killing a target

[whole sand]

stealth is for the weak

[tired gull]

It doesn’t sometimes

[slate scarab]

I've only run 2 dungeons with it so far (just finished leveling) and I liked the rotation. Only thing I didn't like was tracking who had the deathmark on them, and then reapplying it. During chain pulls where I didn't get to restealth it was a hassle. Only have 1 vanish now (it made me miss shadow dance) for applying new deathmarks. Overall felt good though and I'm sure I'll figure it out more as I go.

[dark token]

Ye this annoying

Also idk the prio of reapplying mark vs ruptures/cts

I tend to do it after

[proven jasper]

Seems like mark should be prio but its still kinda aids

[dark token]

E.g. start a pack with 5 cp, rupture rupture garrote garrote ct

Is what im doing atm

[deep wave]

i think restealthing in m+ will be a seriously shit experience

but so far its been pretty ok

[dark token]

Idk if it's better to build to 7 then envenom right away

Maybe cev or whispyr knows

[slate scarab]

My marks don't seem to apply if I don't open with ambush for some reason, even though I have the 3 seconds of stealth. I don't understand why, but I have to open with ambush, then garrote, then rupture. It's the only way I get the empowered garrote and still add deathmarks.

[normal mist]

You don't have 3 sec of stealth

You have 1 global of stealth

Which is ambush

We're not playing subterfuge

Dont mistake improved garrote with subterfuge

[echo heath]

i dont find this to be that big of a deal myself

[fiery mauve]

I would imagine prio is bleeds on aoe

But also

[slate scarab]

Thats exactly what I was doing. That explains it

[dark token]

Ye it's also now 6s for improved garrote/ic

[echo heath]

i would also add caustic spatter is a huge amount of our m+ damage this xpac

[dark token]

I know this

If ur chaining its easy

Definitely setup mark first

[slate scarab]

So used to having the 3 seconds of stealth I forgot I don't anymore, and the garrote is still working due to that seperate talent of 6 seconds

[dark token]

However if ur resetting a pack fully it's probably better to maximize IC

Then apply mark

Just thinking about it

[normal mist]

That's exactly it

[fiery mauve]

Are you saying you're resetting a pack, so you're starting from stealth?

[echo heath]

disagree here as well, there's almost always priority targets that you would want to mark in an aoe pack

[fiery mauve]

Yu would just ambush if starting from stealth

Always

If not most of the time

[proven jasper]

Well you would still get mark up but what hes saying is to fully saturated garrotes and ruptures

[normal mist]

Tbf you can go from a pack to the other with DN

And choose your victim

[fiery mauve]

But if you start from stealth with DN then you bleed

[normal mist]

Yeah

[dark token]

I'm assuming several things

1. you got a restealth
2. you have 5-7 cp and are going to next oack
3. you have and already up

[mint mortar]

what's DN (and please dont tell me theese nuts)

[dark token]

I'm pretty sure ur gonna rupture rupture garrote garrote ct (garrote more if more targets), then do fok er mutilate to 7cp, envenom to apply DN, deathmark

[normal mist]

Darkest Night

[proven jasper]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[iron valve]

death note

[dark token]

Deez nuts

[normal mist]

Darkest night aka deathstalker capstone

[mint mortar]

so is echoing reprimand the way to go for m+?

[dark token]

It's for every content yes

[mint mortar]

cool cool. And iwhen fighting tanky trash mobs without stealth, is it more dps to apply rupture and garrote to as many as possible or just 1 and spam envenom?

ofc maintaining crimson tempestr

[arctic socket]

I like to tab target rupture for that sexy energy

[echo heath]

yes and dont forget to mutilate for caustic spatter damage

[safe sand]

are assassination sims on raidbots up to date?

[echo heath]

honestly this has been the most fun sin has been in years

[mint mortar]

thanks! so just rupture, no garrotes?

[arctic socket]

Doesn’t hurt to press it

But it does have a cd

[strange python]

So we get our bleeds out and tab muts on each target.

[silk bane]

what

[ivory flower]

Wut

[normal mist]

Wut

[arctic socket]

No

[silk bane]

^ thats not a wut

[steep rover]

Mut one target, tab ruptures

[echo heath]

1 target, no tabbing mut

[steep rover]

Minimum 5 ruptures for scent of blood is a good rule of thumb

[ivory flower]

Mut the target you Will DM, you can only get one caustic spatter

[steep rover]

Because 20% agility is INSANE

[mint mortar]

do you guys just send ruptures with like 1-2 cp in htese scenarios to conserve energy?

[arctic socket]

If you’re in a pack of mobs

[steep rover]

You can certainly just send ruptures if you want to get energy gen, but I usually try to do like 3-4 at least

[arctic socket]

It’s impossible to only have 1-2cp with bonespike procs n fok

[mint mortar]

and whats the minimum # of mobs for crimson tempest / fok?

[steep rover]

Really it’s “do I have enough energy” if yes, envenom

Minimum 3, but pref more

3 is eh

[arctic socket]

3+

Never press CT on st

[steep rover]

^

Also be aware of where you are standing when spreading bleeds with Indiscriminate carnage because they can reapply and waste an application

Which is more annoying with acrobatic strikes change 😦

It’s rough in heroics when it’s big packs because shit just dies

Imo

[arctic socket]

Don’t make the mistake of also not pressing cds

Send em

[maiden zenith]

!wa

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[strange python]

Thank you

[kind gorge]

do you guys have any macro for shadomeld and stealth in the same time ?

[arctic crown]

Is this how the dmg should be dealt?

ive seen alot with sudden demise on top

and they have the exact same build

like sudden demise doing 100m

[uneven plume]

its just we get to sudden demise % faster than we normally would in high keys

so its normal for now

becuase everything dies fast

[slender pewter]

Is Fatebound more forgiving than death stalker? it seems like it

[uneven plume]

usually in high keys your caustic would be far ahead of everything else

by a fuck ton

[strange python]

How many time should I apply garrote on a pack do I just 2 on one mob then ruptre?

As of now I try to spread em as much as I can

[arctic crown]

so being caustic spatter on top of my dmg

is it a good thing or bad thing

[desert cove]

are you doing good damage?

then it doesn't matter

[arctic crown]

1.2m overall

[bright turret]

run a raidbots sim and see

[arctic crown]

trying to be a good assa rogue

[bright turret]

depends on mob count

[strange python]

8

[bright turret]

no one is gonna be able to tell you offhand cause we have no idea if its 2 mobs or 50

[arctic crown]

its a dungeon

normal pulls

[arctic socket]

Your damage looks fine

But you’re also doing a heroic dungeon

So it also doesn’t matter

[bright turret]

you can't even get your big AoE going in a heroic dungeon

[arctic socket]

Mythic 0s will be a little better to tell

[bright turret]

pretty impossible to tell until higher M+

[arctic socket]

I can’t think of a single mobs that have lived my entire KB

[strange python]

Lets say we have 8 targets in a pull, do I garrote twice 1 priority target and get rupture out or do I garrote several. Thats more if what I mean.

I feel like sometimes i do too many

[arctic crown]

i usually do 2 garrotes 2 rupture fan of knives then crimson

[bright turret]

in an ideal world you'd get garrot on every mob, but it isn't always realistic to perfectly target everything

or rather, spread the garrotes out enough

[strange python]

That makes sense

Is it a waste if CPs to CR a boss

[bright turret]

sometimes the lazy approach leads to more damage cause trying to be perfect can lead to more mistakes

[strange python]

Crimson tempest sorry

[arctic socket]

CR?

Never press Ct on st

Unless there’s 3 bosses

[strange python]

Lmao im guilty of that

[spice spire]

F.

[arctic socket]

Also make sure you’re pressing multi to apply caustic

And you envenom to keep SnD up

@spice spire can I borrow 2k?

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[arctic socket]

😭

[strange python]

So as long as im muting with bleeds up i can keep up caustic

[arctic socket]

But there’s a cute flower helm tmog up

[arctic socket]

Yup

[spice spire]

You got early access token it up big dog

Also I’m at work for another 8 hours so it’ll be gone by then

[arctic socket]

F

[spice spire]

Sucks to suck dog

[strange python]

How long should I pool energy

[spice spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Tytyty

Cute doggy

[fresh tulip]

!WA

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[subtle tundra]

if your other 2 dps have hands you wont have time to get spatter dps

[spice spire]

Ty he’s literally the best little guy. I’ll pet him for you (and for me) when I get home

[golden plume]

the current ST opener for fatebound doesnt guarantee fateful ending right? or am i doing something wrong

[radiant raven]

lovely doggie

[bitter shuttle]

doggie!

[spice spire]

I love them! We also have a thread of animals if you love that (because I do) #1146207476983812117

Made it as a joke

And it’s been going strong for like

[strange python]

[spice spire]

A yesr lmfao

[past forum]

It’s the best part of this server

[normal mist]

TRUE AND REAL

[bitter shuttle]

doggie more important than parse 😄

[haughty flicker]

its the only reason ive stuck around tbh

[spice spire]

Amen

[arctic socket]

Don’t forgot about Stuart

[strange python]

Animals😇

[past forum]

Woooooo

[limber lion]

Cat good :)

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckyou-push-shove-cats-cat-gif-13756426

[uncut void]

is it normal to be mediocre aoe in normal/heroics rn? top dps single target usually though

[limber lion]

No you should be blasting in aoe too

[haughty flicker]

sudden demise op

[iron valve]

yeah that's unusual, assassination is better in aoe than single pumps in aoe

[limber lion]

Well I wouldn't go that far

[cyan summit]

will mythic0 be daily reset?

[glossy light]

does anyone have weakaura that triggers when deathstalkers mark is not applied?

i keep forgetting ambush on opener

[royal lantern]

well, you kinda screwed up then?

[tired gull]

yes

[fallow marsh]

Question: Outside of burst windows where spamming envenom is encouraged, should we be pooling energy?

[haughty flicker]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rotund oak]

a beauty 😍

[royal lantern]

we love all pets here

[fallow marsh]

And avoid energy capping I’m assuming sorry it’s been a while since I last played and I am trying to figure out what is still relevant

[strange python]

Ty 🙂

She never meets a stranger

[severe sparrow]

speaking of mark, if im not getting it back to reapply after my initial target with it dies, is that cuz i might be accidentally targeting another mob when the marked one dies? im assuming that's it cuz i saw some discussion about that here a while back but

[wild hound]

How many target AOE does it need to be for us to not use our Deathstalker Mark's procs on mutilate?

[rotund oak]

im confused by that question

[lapis lantern]

does anybody has thistle tea combined in a macro ?

with any other talent

[normal mist]

no

you dont want that

[rotund oak]

Ive got it with shiv

[wild hound]

Like, we get the procs which makes our next mutilate deal 50% extra damage. But in AOE our usual builder is FoK. I'm assuming in like 4-5 targets we make sure to cast a mutilate after a 5cp+ spender, to use the mutilate damage proc?

But is that always the case?

[rotund oak]

yes deathstalkers mark is ur first prio

fok and press envenom on max cp

[wild hound]

Alright cool, thanks!

[rotund oak]

no matter the target

count

[wild hound]

yeah im with you til then, but after the envenom

Do we use mutilate or antoehr FoK?

[rotund oak]

go again into our main rotation

[lapis lantern]

thanks

[wild hound]

As we get a buff making our next mutilate deal 50% extra damage. Does that outweigh the cp advantage of FoK?

[rotund oak]

if u cant vanish to reapply dots fok into ruptures

then press mut on ur marked target

proceed

[crisp stream]

fam ,which raid build sims the highest?

[wild hound]

So never overlap the mutilate damage bonus procs? Basically cast 1 mutilate between every spender?

[normal mist]

theres only 1

raid build

[lapis lantern]

in the rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps guide wowhead from whispyr in the AOE Opener Examples we use thistle tea before KB, and on ST after KB, why is that so? 😛 is it important?

[normal mist]

energy

thats pretty much it

[rotund oak]

ur rupture gives u back energy and its dmg we want those out and once we get them scent stacks up we ar egood to startgoing ham again

assuming we are talking about chain pulling etc

no stealth

[crisp stream]

as per the guides it show vicious and sanguine

[cobalt sphinx]

@wild hound i think mutilate does like zero damage at all

so i wouldn't worry about that buff

[wild hound]

Nono sorry, I just mean while going ham, do we cast a mutilate between spenders to use the bonus dmg proc for it, or is it more worth it to just spam FoK to full cp unless we're reapplying caustic?

[cobalt sphinx]

you only mutilate once per 10 seconds for caustic in aoe

[normal mist]

oh i see what you mean, DS or Fatebound

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[haughty flicker]

I didn’t even know there was bonus damage on mut

[normal mist]

oops, wrong fucking command again

[haughty flicker]

You definitely don’t play around it

[normal mist]

@crisp stream !hero

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[weary shoal]

anybody know where to find all commands?

[rotund oak]

what bonus dmg on mutilate?u mean vicious venom node?

[normal mist]

They aren't available for public afaik

[cobalt sphinx]

deathstalker's mark node

[rotund oak]

in that case target count becomes relevant as to what builder we are suing and press mutilate only to refresh spatter

3+ targets we fok instead of mut

thats all

and press mut to refresh spatter

ham or pork or goat,all delicious

u name it

but i think i understand what the dude means

like sending the buffed 7cp finisher from deathstalkers mark

[wild hound]

Alright thank you so much 🙂

[rotund oak]

while we are at it

[wild hound]

so mutilate only to refresh caustic, regardless of the buff? 🙂

[hearty reef]

Chat i think i love flipping coins

[rotund oak]

the buff my man,the deathstalkers buff that comes from Darkest night proc,its on u for a certain amount of time

[rotund oak]

that is consumed on max hp envenom

[echo heath]

caustic is ridiculous man

[rotund oak]

and yes caustic is poggers

[royal lantern]

blizzard buffing envenom 1000x, making both "hero" trees buff envenom even further, and then acts suprised that spatter does big dmg

[dark token]

What I find ehh about sub is caustic range is bigger than nimble flurry

I think with acro nerf it's bigger than blade flurry also

Hidden op range

[echo heath]

thats fine by me

[dark token]

They should make it 40 yards like boomy

[rotund oak]

boomy actually secret op

u got healing issues?no problem an owl can press a skill that heals everything based on the dmg it does

[wild hound]

alright thanks a bunch!

[rose sun]

Any predictions on which rogue spec we will see the most of in the Race 2 World First?

[cobalt sphinx]

gonna have to wait for tuning, probably none of them

at this point

[rose sun]

I suspect assassination is sitting in a nice spot since we have bleeds to maintain up time on boss dmg

[subtle tundra]

will prob be a bunch of sub

[cobalt sphinx]

is there any reason to bring rogue over arcane mage?

[jagged elk]

hey!

how do you guys use tricks nowadays (in m+)?
some focus macro or is there still something like autotarget WA?

[limber lion]

That's not how uptime works

[limber lion]

You don't

[nova aspen]

there will always be 1 rogue for atrophic

[limber lion]

Tricks are not relevant in any way to the current game and tanks pull aggro automatically

Your fine not taking Tricks at all

[nova aspen]

unless rogue dps is SO BAD that it does not justify 4% less boss dmg

[normal mist]

Cev woke up

I can now go chill

[nova aspen]

which has never been the case

[limber lion]

But there are weakaura/macros out there that allows you to auto-tricks IF you really want to

But it's not necessary whatsoever

[limber lion]

[desert vault]

So nothing really today? No fixes, nerfs/buffs, delve tiers? Just the weekly quests?

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[normal mist]

Having Cev around is like giving your controler to your older brother

[rose sun]

I suspect next week we will see some sort of blue post related to class buffs/nerfs

Even if it’s small

[limber lion]

Likely happening at the end of the raid release week before Mythic releases, yes

[rose sun]

So everyone play like shit so we show up as bottom of the meters 😉

[deep wave]

isnt assa rogue one of the better pve specs rn?

[limber lion]

It's fine yeah

[desert vault]

I figured stuff wouldn't change with nerfs/buffs until raid week 1, but thought maaaaybe they'd try to fix the bugs across the specs

[rose sun]

Although the YouTubers will ruin it by posting “This spec is so broken!” Content left and right haha

[limber lion]

They've been fixing bugs here and there

But it's not like they just only fix bugs and then post a massive update with a million bug fixes

It's just another thing that happens on the side

[deep wave]

im thinking most of the game ruining bugs will be fixed when raid opens

right guys?

[cobalt sphinx]

which ones

[limber lion]

What would those be

[rose sun]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[deep wave]

stealth breaking on everything for one

[rotund oak]

bold of u to assume anything's getting fixed

[echo heath]

since burning crusade

[limber lion]

Those are definitely not gamebreaking bugs

Oh well I guess you said game ruining bugs

Yeah they fixed a bunch of bugs in the beta but have been a bit silent after the release.

[tawny pagoda]

!fuu