assassination

[raven panther]

if you don't pool you can't have it for kingsbane

[spice surge]

Shiv is good

[limber lion]

Alrighr

[spice surge]

You can tea

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-porter-tea-gif-22730399

[limber lion]

Sim currently sends KB with 0 energy

[spice surge]

It gives you 100 energy

[fiery mauve]

[limber lion]

Bad sim I guess

[raven panther]

lmao, yes after a full evenom and a shiv

so you ahd to pool just before

[limber lion]

A bunch of theorycrafters tested pooling logic a million times

[raven panther]

you are dumb af, np

[limber lion]

But nope

[fiery mauve]

alright someone log check the paladin pfp

[limber lion]

They literally do not pool

There is 0 pooling

[raven panther]

the sim literally send a 7cp evenom

[limber lion]

There is no pooling variable for KB

[raven panther]

before and during with a shiv during and before

[limber lion]

It does because that's the condition

Yes

[tawny pawn]

im back, whenever you preparing to do the reopeners you want to make sure you have high energy so you might want to wait more then just enough to use next skill, so no 10 seconds is not that much of a stretch

[limber lion]

You Envenom and Shiv

But yoy do not pool for it

It jist happens naturally by you playing the spec and generating cp and usinh finishers

That's how the spec works

[haughty flicker]

Watching new people tell cev he doesn’t know what he’s talking about will never not be funny

[limber lion]

That is not true

Idk man

[cunning needle]

when did cev become not green name

[tawny pawn]

no?

[cunning needle]

i swear cev was green before

[fiery mauve]

💯

[haughty flicker]

Retired

[fiery mauve]

[haughty flicker]

Got oldge

[acoustic roost]

cev went casual

[sharp viper]

i think someone else already made that one

[tawny pawn]

do you use skills whenever you have enough energy for it?

[acoustic roost]

T_T

[limber lion]

I retired, too busy with work

[cunning needle]

happens to the best of us

[tawny pawn]

like when you have ur reopener coming and you have 50 energy you just mutilate?

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

If you're at 0 cp, yes

If yoy have to Mutilate, yoy mutilate

[tawny pawn]

thats crazy i wouldnt

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if it's at 50 energy or 200

Yoy will end up mutilating regardless

What does it do that yoy Mutilate 5s later?

Tell me

[tawny pawn]

yes but you want to burn stuff in the window

[flint gulch]

note self trying to practice assa with 3 hours of sleep doesent works maybe i practice ele shammy and fdk today im getting

[tawny pawn]

is more important than uptime

[limber lion]

Brother

[normal mist]

He retired as I ascended

[cunning needle]

"retired"

[tawny pawn]

im being genuine with you

[cunning needle]

bro does not sound retired

[tawny pawn]

not capping

[limber lion]

Alright I'm on the computer now

[spice surge]

He isnt saying "dont cast spells during shiv"

[limber lion]

Alright, let's hear it

[fiery mauve]

Oh nk

He's locked in

[cunning needle]

oh dear

no

get out

[spice surge]

He is saying you dont need 200+ energy to cast kingsbane

[cunning needle]

you got out

[spice surge]

You dont hold energy for it

[limber lion]

You CANNOT start your Kingsbane window without using Envenom first

[tawny pawn]

i never say you needed

[spice surge]

Because you can cast spells anyway since you have tea

[tawny pawn]

you need high energy

[limber lion]

So why would you sit at 0CP waiting for energy

When you need to get to 5CP to use Envenom to start the burst anyways?

[fiery mauve]

[limber lion]

Exactly, you don't

[low ferry]

so i can say im pooling 😉

[limber lion]

It does not matter if you Mutilate now or 15s later

Because you WILL have to Mutilate regardless

To get to 5CP

To cast Envenom

To start the burst window

[junior yoke]

I just want to play fatebound

[fiery mauve]

Good news, you can

[limber lion]

If you're at 0CP when your cooldowns are ready, you spend 4s getting to 5CP, using Envenom and Shiv

Compared to being at 5CP, using Envenom when KB is at 2s and Shiv at 1

And instantly using KB

[tawny pawn]

im notting

keep going

[junior yoke]

Let me google translate

[tawny pawn]

i see i might be learning stuff here

ill try it out

[fringe oxide]

Yo does anyone just not get any marks?

[limber lion]

There is NEVER a reason to pool on less than 5 CP

[fringe oxide]

I haven't'gotten one since release

[limber lion]

You can pool a bit, but you always do it sitting on 5CP or more

[junior yoke]

Lol

[limber lion]

Pooling on 4CP is very situational if you know Garrote is coming up and you will reapply it before you hit energy cap or before cooldowns come up

So you can garrote to 5cp followed by an Envenom

[fringe oxide]

sadly it is not a joke

[limber lion]

But again, you do not just afk 10s before a Kingsbane window

That is just a misplay

[junior yoke]

Ig u check details u don’t hace deathtalker mark damage either? That’s weird

[limber lion]

Works for me

(or rather everyone around me)

Are you in stealth and did you open with Ambush?

[junior yoke]

Maybe ur account is bugged. Share qith me password

[normal mist]

Are you pressing ambush in stealth?

[fringe oxide]

yep

[junior yoke]

Looks good

[limber lion]

This is not where it appears

It's a debuff

[fringe oxide]

ah

[limber lion]

Not a damaging ability

[normal mist]

Ok Cev is faster than me, you go Cev!

[native nimbus]

Ok, i've mirroed exactly what you have in your screenshot, now EVERYTHING is appearing above nameplate. Is there another setting somewhere that needs to be toggled?

[fringe oxide]

I will check it in the current dungeon

[limber lion]

It appears in the damage (much lower than any of those abilities) portion after you consume the mark

But not with application

Like you're gonna have to press shift to see all abilities

[normal lotus]

idk man this shouldnt happen! i only get whats on the tracklist

[junior yoke]

You din’t hace any of the hero talents

Weird

Did u “apply” 😂😂

In the talents

[native nimbus]

ok thank you so much

[limber lion]

He does have Fatal Intent

[limber lion]

Let's see the stealth ambush

[junior yoke]

Mmm….

[fringe oxide]

How do I show you that? Should I clip it?

[limber lion]

Where's the ambush

[junior yoke]

Fuck that’s weird

[limber lion]

In damage done

[spice surge]

You have to cast ambush for it initially

[limber lion]

I'm not seeing a single ambush cast yet

[normal mist]

Just clip an ambush cast

[limber lion]

No not needed

[junior yoke]

Hahahahaha oh fuck

[limber lion]

Just need a details that literally says "ambush"

We have not seen that yet

[tawny pawn]

LOL

[junior yoke]

U’re right

Man

[cunning needle]

my guy

[limber lion]

Like just look at the details

[cunning needle]

youre retired

[junior yoke]

Detective

[normal lotus]

so you get all poisons/debuffs etc also?

[upbeat ivy]

PPC

[limber lion]

It would definitely be there

[tawny pawn]

NO WAY

[cunning needle]

you dont need to do this anymore

you are free

[fringe oxide]

Yo I will post a clippy

[junior yoke]

That actually got me lol 😂😂

[limber lion]

It brings me enjoyment

[fringe oxide]

Of me on the dummies

[cunning needle]

🤣

[limber lion]

Sure let's see you hit that mutilate

Instead of Ambush

I'm ready

[junior yoke]

Haggagagagahahahahah

[limber lion]

[junior yoke]

Pls stop

[autumn frost]

Is ambush resetting your enhanced garotte cd duration?

[upbeat ivy]

Guys how off is fatebound assa

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

Good

[normal mist]

I legit can't type

[autumn frost]

i'm confused what is going on tbh

[limber lion]

It's 2-5%

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[limber lion]

Me either apparently

[tawny pawn]

not ambushing is worse then have it in the same bind as mutilate

[fringe oxide]

Wait

[normal mist]

Cev is stealing all my kills

[cunning needle]

ceve is roasting

[limber lion]

Man doesn't have ambush bound

[fringe oxide]

I had an old macro

Cev

[limber lion]

Yeah

[fringe oxide]

I am so sorry

[limber lion]

:)

Man's been mutilating the entire expansion

[cunning needle]

[limber lion]

It's okay

[upbeat ivy]

maybe fatebound better for hc cause everything dies insta

[tawny pawn]

i dont even feel like putting ambush in same bind as mutilate is that punishing for assa

[limber lion]

We caught it before the raid opened up

[fringe oxide]

We will never speak of this again

[tawny pawn]

is it?

[limber lion]

We're chilling

[fringe oxide]

Nobody has ever seen this

[normal lotus]

so fat fingering a garrote instead of ambush on your opener is like the death of your dps?

[fringe oxide]

apologies friend

[cunning needle]

we saw nothing

[fringe oxide]

Thanks for helping

[limber lion]

No worries, have fun with it

[spice surge]

Just vanish for it

[normal mist]

We legit see nothing

You're fine

[spice surge]

But if you dont have vanish up its quite a loss yes

[limber lion]

Sure

[fringe oxide]

kissies and huggies all

[tawny pawn]

can someone correct me here?

[fringe oxide]

love you very plenty

[cunning needle]

you think anyone in this discord here can read anyway?

[limber lion]

Npnp

[tawny pawn]

or am i doing something wrong

[upbeat ivy]

ill try when im home hyppeee

[limber lion]

No, I mean the game automatically does that for you anyways

But if you literally don't have Ambush bound in stealth, it is a problem

[tawny pawn]

yeah i just wanted to know if i was doing something wrong cause of some weird interaction/snapshoting

[limber lion]

I have Ambush as a seperate bind, but I also have it on my Mutilate/Ambush macro

Yeah no weird interactions or snapshots here

Snapshots are dead

[normal lotus]

does it not auto change to ambush in stealth? could have sworn it did

[limber lion]

It does

[tawny pawn]

ye i remember it was annoying last few seasons

[limber lion]

But if you're using a Mutilate-macro it does not

[junior yoke]

Xdddddd

[normal lotus]

ahhhh gotcha

[limber lion]

And some people were using mutilate-only macros in the past

[junior yoke]

I’m dying

[tawny pawn]

when oyu lose the buff mid ambush

[junior yoke]

Go play fate

[tawny pawn]

and it would make you lose a cast

[junior yoke]

Rly

Got trolled by the details detail about no ambush

[tawny pawn]

guys its a fair mistake cmon

its just funny as fuck

WHY AM I GETTING NO MARK?

[cunning needle]

it was very hilarious

compounded on the fact that the expansion is like 11 days old as well

[fringe oxide]

bro this new hero talent rules

what a game

[cunning needle]

[fringe oxide]

Love you all again!

[limber lion]

Damn it's pretty sick right

[cunning needle]

❤️

[past forum]

See this is what happens to all you fancy macro users, keybind havers, and click casters. Real gigachads /cast everything

[snow glade]

Hey guys, i think its very clear at the pinned message, but i see a lot of people investing the spark on boots. Is that the right way?

[upbeat ivy]

is there a macro to garrote all targets ?:D

[cunning needle]

I use text to speech to activate my abilities

[slate bolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[limber lion]

Just hold off from using the spark tbh

There's no rush

[sour kernel]

hmm when do i cast first mutilate exactly?

[limber lion]

The pin is correct and up to date

[limber lion]

Whenever you need to

[bleak plume]

does fatebound coin splash with caustic?

[limber lion]

In ST or AoE?

[limber lion]

No

[sour kernel]

this one is like after reprimand snd n stuff

[tawny pawn]

ok so another question then, what is the deal with envenom should i just sent it with 5 cbs? should i go for 7? only in DN?

[limber lion]

So AoE

In AoE you only use Mutilate to maintain Spatter

[limber lion]

And that's it

[sour kernel]

this one after first tempest

[limber lion]

Well, no

[sour kernel]

no i know that, but just when is the first cast

[whole sand]

bleeds then CS

[upbeat ivy]

PLEASEEE 😄

[limber lion]

You can just substitute the first FOK here with a Mutilate

[slate crown]

This is like your fire alarm is ringing and you put a piece of duct tape over it instead of doing anything about it

[fringe oxide]

Am I wild for thinking that ambush used to auto change from multilate before? I lowkey dont want to ask anymore questions because it seems like I have been playing this game for the first time

[limber lion]

It still does

[fringe oxide]

Real

[iron valve]

5+ finishers, only push 7 for dankest night 👍

[normal lotus]

i usually am happy with 5, it consumed the mark

[limber lion]

That's the change that was added with 10.2 or whatever

Like if you get a Blindside proc, your Mutilate changes to Ambush

If you have Mutilate bound on your stealth bar, it will turn to Ambush when you go into stealth

[sour kernel]

ic, noted thanks a lot!

[tawny pawn]

ok so my energy/cb management was bad, and rogue was busted

cause i was going for 7 cbs sometimes

[limber lion]

Yeah never do that

[tawny pawn]

unecessarily

[limber lion]

Just chill at 5 always

[snow glade]

@limber lion What should be your currently best go-to itemization for season start? I am not sure if its the correct place to talk about it, sorry if so

[limber lion]

7CP to apply mark again

And then chilling at 5 again

[limber lion]

I think people just run dungeons all day long

Just working their way up

[gray horizon]

Just get highest ilvl you can

Literally doesnt even matter once season starts

[tawny pawn]

i think maxing ur gear spamming heroics should be good enough.

[limber lion]

There's new crests just for this week that you can use and spam away without worry

And then ilvls will jump up again when raid releases

[snow glade]

My only worries are the bad investment of crest on non optimal items for Rogue

[whole sand]

the crests are meaningless

[limber lion]

You can spam weathered crests

They are useless next week

Or rather when the season starts

Don't be afraid of using them

[tawny pawn]

you can go further with reputations but, it will be very diminish returns for time investment since you will trade ur gear the next tuesday

[acoustic roost]

save your bountiful coffer keys for when delves open up to +8. should have 12 or more for the first week of the season

[tawny pawn]

12? DAM

i have 3

[spice surge]

I mean pretty much nothing you do right now has a big impact on your gearing

[tawny pawn]

4*

[spice surge]

Since you can just run more m+ when mythic is released

[acoustic roost]

4 this week, 4 next week, 4 the week of the season

[tawny pawn]

i see LiG

[spice surge]

To replace everything youve done these early weeks

[fringe oxide]

I was like what in the heck is going on?

[fringe oxide]

I swear my elvui bar used to change it to ambush

I just never looked back again

Not checking the macro or anything

[limber lion]

Well could be you played with or without a stealth bar back then and now it's changed

But yeah, it's been changing for a long time

Previously we kinda had no use for Ambush

[tawny pawn]

the funny part is Stix is a very well known name on my server for playing rogue and i though you were him for couple seconds hard questioning myself

[limber lion]

After Improved Ambush was nerfed and we started playing Tight Spenders

[snow glade]

Can i share my plater here guys? I made something custom the health bars recolours depending on the dots the target has

Maybe should be useful

[fringe oxide]

I just want to mention that the game just works!

Fantastic feeling

[limber lion]

We already have a bunch of platers here:

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[limber lion]

But if you want to, I think it's okay to share it once

But spamming/advertising it not so much

[snow glade]

It could be just to try to be helpful because you guys help me

[limber lion]

Go for it

[tawny pawn]

i would put that deathmark/DN WA on the bot tho

so useful.

It made my life so much easier and its so simple

[snow glade]

I have been working on this plater, just to try to make icons appear depending on dots missing

But the game just stutters with that much processing

[limber lion]

Pretty much all the wa's/platers already have that

[tawny pawn]

i dont use was im cursed

FOR THAT

[worldly sail]

i was about to say

[tawny pawn]

sorry

mb

still need to config my plater

[snow glade]

There is the plater. Please consider its on early stage, its a personal customization of an existant plater profile

[celest helm]

Iv seen a few people say sub is performing better on raid testing than assa, not concerned with it much but Im curious where people are seeing the info. Can someone link me the logs or sims comparing?

[tawny pawn]

Sub is performing a lil better for now from my tests

[whole sand]

damage numbers in the year of our lord

[spice surge]

Raid testing was ages ago

[tawny pawn]

my assa feels way more confortable

[spice surge]

Any log from that time is completely irrelevant

[celest helm]

I assumed all of that info was far out of date by this point

[acoustic roost]

missing out on the 1.5mil envenom dopamine hits

[celest helm]

Exactly, okay so im not insane lol

[limber lion]

Yeah using action bars as ghetto weakauras was something I did on my DH like 5+ years ago too

But I grew up

Would recommend using proper weakauras

Especially on a class like Assa Rogue

Where they're pretty much essential

[worldly sail]

i was using action bars as weakauras for 4 years, finally made my own WA UI during prepatch now

[fringe oxide]

Yo another question! What do I do if the tank keeps pulling i wait patiently and I get aoe damaged out of stealth before getting to apply my mark for deathstalker?

[tawny pawn]

well at least i have everything binded and memorized

i think that is the most important thing

you need to do to improve gameplay

[acoustic roost]

you should have DN rolling from the last pack. if not you can blow a vanish. if not you're screwed 🙂

[tawny pawn]

ill try to adapt to WA's

[slate crown]

This is what you have to do in like

FFXIV

Not that it really matters in that game though there's not much reactivity

[limber lion]

Unless the tank literally pulls when the mobs are like more than half hp, you should be able to stealth everytime

Even if tank pulls a pack, does not mean that you have to engage the pack as well

You can just finish the previous pack and then stealth

There's not really too much benefit of just sitting in stealth either

[fringe oxide]

I see! This tank likes to chainpull low health mobs into the next pack though

[limber lion]

Once the tank pulls, you should just engage if you're stealthed

[tawny pawn]

depends on class i guess

[fringe oxide]

And I got caught with my stealth down

aoe damaged out of it

[limber lion]

Which is fine and good

And should be done to speed up the dungeon

But yeah, just a matter of positioning and whatnot

Only if the new mobs are the ones hitting you with giga aoes, you should be good

[tawny pawn]

I think if he is chainpulling a lot

[limber lion]

But in that case again it's a matter of positioning

away from the new pack

[tawny pawn]

i go for for more of a ST cleaving rotation

since we dont have the garrotes rup spreads

and try to do as much as i can with splatter

[limber lion]

You definitely want to spread garrotes and ruptures

[tawny pawn]

but without the stealth buff

[fringe oxide]

Not getting my stealth ambush off on the first pack and he chain pulling and entire wing afterwards has never felt so bad

[tawny pawn]

in chain pulls

[limber lion]

still

You have to

To get energy

It's your only source of energy

It is the single most important thing for the spec

To build bleeds and get energy back

so you can use your other abilities

[tawny pawn]

so i only use the mutilate for splatter buff

[limber lion]

Just vanish

[tawny pawn]

always garrote

[limber lion]

Garrote has a cooldown

Outside of stealth

So no

You would FOK instead

[tawny pawn]

i yeah thats what i meant

like

if im chainpulling, ill focus the bigboy with garrote rup

[limber lion]

Garrote once, it's on cd, FOK and Rupture until Garry is back up then press it again and then Rup

[tawny pawn]

if it has a big boy

[limber lion]

Sure

Gotta get the mark up as well

[tawny pawn]

It is indeed annoying when tanks do that.

[limber lion]

And technically that's apparently the #1 thing

[tawny pawn]

there is a boss that doesnt let you restealth on the mine dungeon

so annoying

you guys feel that?

[whole sand]

i think playing deathstalker in hcs rn is akin to self harm

[limber lion]

Agreed

[tawny pawn]

are you guys playing FB on HC's?

i should try that

[limber lion]

FB everywhere

[whole sand]

yeah

[limber lion]

No reason not to

You do more damage and it doesn't fuck you up

And it's not a buggy mess

[tawny pawn]

i was actually thinking of that

[maiden sierra]

Prio damage is more important than overall aoe

[limber lion]

Technically Deathstalker sims more, but if you mess up your marks and whatnot, you're fucked

[limber lion]

Definitely not

Not in fucking heroics

lmao

what's important is clearing the dungeon fast

and doing as much damage as possible is how you do that

[maiden sierra]

[tawny pawn]

Question you doing CB/ER version in fatebound?

[limber lion]

CB

[tawny pawn]

or just

[maiden sierra]

If youre trying to midmax heroics, it says a lot

[limber lion]

what the fuck no

[tawny pawn]

BUT MY EGO

Cev share me ur talents

i wanna try it out

[limber lion]

why would you ever take any of the talents on the right side

[maiden sierra]

Jesus christ

[limber lion]

that's legit suicide

[ashen rover]

Schizo build

[limber lion]

it's like throwing 4 points in to the trash

[ashen rover]

[limber lion]

It's like you're playing with a level 66 character

[maiden sierra]

Ive seen some sin pugs with this build, im questioning the playerbase iq

[acoustic roost]

carryover from df s4

hopefully XD

[limber lion]

Legit just put the talents from the rightside on Lethality and CB

[tawny pawn]

well i got that from a top 10 assa rogue s3 player

so

i was trying my best

[fiery mauve]

[maiden sierra]

[robust river]

!gude

[limber lion]

Blindly copying what people do in +30's or whatever ain't it chief

[robust river]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[robust river]

^^^ It's all there

[maiden sierra]

Who tf plays sin in s3 lmao

[robust river]

Including talents

[limber lion]

Also have you realized that the talents have changed

It no longer has Shadow Dance there

[tawny pawn]

i used the resources i knew thats why i am here right now

to chat with the gigachads

[proven jasper]

Probably most ppl in here

[limber lion]

We used to play that route in the past yes

But that was with Shadow Dance

[maiden sierra]

[limber lion]

And Nightstalker

Which was deleted in TWW

[tawny pawn]

not in the past he is using that right now

[limber lion]

Right

[tawny pawn]

i was looking what the best players were using now

not then

[proven jasper]

its a straight waste of talents on assa

[limber lion]

Well

[maiden sierra]

Bros cooked

[limber lion]

If you want to do 10% less damage for no reason, then go for it

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone

[tawny pawn]

but isnt it more confortable in dungeons

[proven jasper]

no

[maiden sierra]

No

[limber lion]

Why would it be any more comfortable?

[tawny pawn]

double vanish

no?

[limber lion]

Read what it does

[proven jasper]

u get 1 charge extra

Over an entire dungeon

[limber lion]

Read it word per word

[maiden sierra]

Its 1 extra vanish over the entire dungeon lmao

[robust river]

It doesn't double the amount of casts per dungeon. It's one more cast per dungeon.

[fiery mauve]

[limber lion]

Yeah they spoiled it

Instead of 13 vanishes you get 14

[tawny pawn]

oh that is awful

[limber lion]

yippee

[robust river]

The cooldown stays the same, you just get a second charge.

[tawny pawn]

im glad i came here today

[limber lion]

and how much damage does Subterfuge give you?

[tawny pawn]

jesus

[limber lion]

The 2 points before the giga useless vanish talent?

How much do those give you?

Yeah, 0

[proven jasper]

Technically negative since other talents would ACTUALLY increase your damage

[limber lion]

They are entirely useless

[proven jasper]

[robust river]

And the subterfuge talent before it is useless too, as improved garrote does everything that does.

[limber lion]

Too slow bozo

[robust river]

And (I think) we take that in every M+ spec. Maybe in raid it has a use but not sure.

[tawny pawn]

and thats cause i posted only 20% of the tree

[robust river]

(But then double vanish is even worse in raid)

[tawny pawn]

imagine if you guys looked the rest of it

[limber lion]

It's the only part that matters

The rest is utility shit

take whatever you want

the bottom is the damage part

[robust river]

Oh my discord is laggy af

[limber lion]

except the right side

which is not

[proven jasper]

every other talent you can argue for besides those three talents

[limber lion]

it's putting utility talents against damage talents

that entire right row should be at the top

[tawny pawn]

Share me ur tree cev

for generic bleed dungeon build

i dont we might not be using bleed build when M+ comes out but

dont know if we will

[robust river]

Imagine if you looked at the guides 👀

[tawny pawn]

to be fair Cummins

i looked but there are many guides saying diff things

[robust river]

!guides

[tawny pawn]

about assa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[robust river]

These all say the same thing

Use these

They're all written by the same person 😄

[tall jay]

Our lord and savior @balmy condor

[acoustic roost]

Seli does the IV one I think, but he said he and whispyr share notes XD

[maiden sierra]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZGmxyMAAAAAAMbw2MAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLzyYMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWALDzAGWA

[tawny pawn]

cool

[robust river]

Really worth the tag? 🤣

[maiden sierra]

Hybrid bleed build

[tall jay]

Lol

Maybe not but it’s funny

Err fun

[glossy light]

anyone who has luxthos weakauras and fixed the 6 CP visual bug?

[limber lion]

We probably will.

[glossy light]

(should be 7)

[limber lion]

Something like this. Or take Shrouded Suffocation if you want.

Doesn't really matter

Just do whatever you want homie

[robust river]

I use Luxthos, I have 7 CP showing?

You definitely got the 7CP talent? 😄

[limber lion]

Pins has recommended builds too

Which is basically the bleed build that I linked

With some nodes different here and there

[glossy light]

yeah it shows me 7CP at my hp bar etc but 6 on luxthos

[limber lion]

And yeah, all the guides are written by Whispyr basically

Except Maxroll

You never look at Maxroll

[robust river]

I'd delete and grab the latest version from WAGO maybe?

[maiden sierra]

Id reccomend going DTB instead of the shiv talent for st boss damage. Going full aoe is worthless in a real m+ scenario (again dont midmax heroics kekw)

[limber lion]

I would not

[maiden sierra]

[limber lion]

Going DTB is not as simple as "take DTB instead of AP"

You have to change the entire tree for it

But it literally just doesn't matter

That's called the Hybrid build btw

[maiden sierra]

Which is superior

[limber lion]

And both Hybrid and Bleed basically perform the same

[limber lion]

Only in higher mythic+

Falls flat in heroics and lower mythic+

Where you cannot get a full KB in every single pack

[robust river]

Curious, what is deemed high by genearl community? Are we talking 20+ or?

[limber lion]

If the mob that you use KB dies before your entire KB window is finished, it's pointless to even play it

[limber lion]

We can't really say what is high or not currently as they very recently changed how mythic+ scaling works

Probably 15+

[maiden sierra]

Id say a high key is a around 15ish

[robust river]

Ah ok, so they could be a lot harder this time round? I'll aim for 10s to start and see how we go 🤣

[tawny pawn]

Inevitabily is actually a dope talent

[maiden sierra]

10s are supposed to be old 20s.
So 15 should be the high key area normally but again dungeon scaling is unknown at this point

[tawny pawn]

cant believe i was not playing that

[normal mist]

I really hope m0 isn't = old m10

Because it awards veteran gear

[fallen arch]

It should be

[robust river]

Community would go mental if M0 was that hard surely?

[normal mist]

Bro

It already happened

[fallen arch]

I think ppl are gonna be clapped in m0 with current gear

[normal mist]

In s4

[tired gull]

i hope it is that "hard"

[maiden sierra]

I think m0 being hard is a good thing

[robust river]

Oh I didn't play end of S4 😄

[maiden sierra]

Retains its replayability

[normal mist]

Our CURRENT M0 was = M10 S3

[robust river]

Oh wow haha. I skipped entire back end of dragonflght 😄

[fallen arch]

More important question @normal mist

[normal mist]

But the gear being awarded does not reflect the increase in difficulty

[robust river]

Oh I'll adjust my expectations for M0 then haha, was thinking I'd just be throwing some intterupts out and spamming dps

[fallen arch]

What does ur mog look like for ur first m0

[tired gull]

it doesn't need to reward as good as old m10

[maiden sierra]

Agreed

[fallen arch]

Human

Goated

[maiden sierra]

Human

Ew

[strange python]

Yeah but I feel like that never was the case, m0s last season didn’t feels any harder than the seasons before

[robust river]

I like to rock the mixed whatever gear I have on transmog -helmet so you can see my gnome face.

[fallen arch]

Ye they did

[strange python]

Didn’t for me idk, felt that same as always

[remote ermine]

Love that my character is stuck and crashes on login. + Blizzards stuck character self-service option is broken. Way to go 🙂

[ancient tangle]

Hi guys I have a few little questions regarding Deathstalker if I may bother you :

• Momentum of Despair critical strike dmg bonus of 32% is only for fan of knife and Crimson Tempest right ?
• How does Singular Focus works ? It deals 5% of ANY dmg done to other targets ?
• Does Lingering Darkness stacks with improved Shiv and result by a 69% nature increase ? and if yes could it be better to delay KB to this phase after the DeathMark ?

[maiden sierra]

Sir, this is a wendys

[normal mist]

Yes they did and I felt it

Because the FIRST one I did during s4, was a full party deplete

Because no one was expecting things to not die in 3 seconds

(casual player base)

This is not an insult btw, but the casual low m+ / m0 Andy's had it rough

[tired gull]

i came back to wow towards the end of s4, in full 480s and the first dungeon i did was a +10 and didn't think it was very difficult even then

[normal mist]

Depends on affix and party ilvl

Oh and brain

You have no brain in m0

[unique kettle]

is embellishment tuning still happening

[swift mauve]

Quick question cause cause i see this weird does our finisher consume only up to 6 combo points? Have 7 combo points and see im finishers info that every one of them consumes max 6

[normal mist]

Yes

[unique kettle]

:(

[tired gull]

7 treats it as 7, tooltips just aren't updated for 7

[pearl mauve]

Hey, so we don't pick 2 charges Shiv anymore ? Means I should use it in the last 8s of KB and on CD out of KB so I'm sure it's back up for next KB ?

[normal mist]

Last 8 second and then on cd

[pearl mauve]

alright was making sure, thx !

[normal mist]

Kb 1 minute, shiv 30(?)

[pearl mauve]

yeah shiv is 30

[swift mauve]

Ok thanks

[winter owl]

hi guys its gonna be probably a stupid question but, (i read the guide of assa rogue, im new to this class) but what poison do you use as assa ?

[tired gull]

deadly + amp (if talented)

[normal mist]

!poisons

[winter owl]

!poisons

[normal mist]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[normal mist]

Dang the S

[winter owl]

oh thanks !

what is DTB ?

[normal mist]

Dragon tempered blades

Assassination capstone

Spec tree

[winter owl]

oh yh i find it thx guys

looks like a banger class but its fucking hard to understand everything xd

[robust river]

It looks a lot mroe complicated than it is at first IMO. You'll get it.

[unique kettle]

the hardest part is the kingsbane window

the rest of the spec plays itself

[spice surge]

Like half of them are still bugged and dont scale with ilvl of the pieces you put them on

So ye theres gonna be changes to em

[unique kettle]

i thought that was the point

[spice surge]

Nop

[unique kettle]

that it didn't scale with ilevel

GG

[proven jasper]

You get more of whatever the embellish is giving with ilvl

or atleast you are supposed to

[unique kettle]

no i get that

i thought the intent was that none of them were supposed to scale with ilevel

that's what my guild told me

[dawn hemlock]

Is sin rogue with the hero talents more fun this xpac?

[normal mist]

No

[unique kettle]

L guild then

[winter owl]

@unique kettle Will see xD

[daring wadi]

Lava-Forged Cogwheel seems to be quite good actually

even with low ilvl

[dawn hemlock]

what do you miss or dont like?

[spice surge]

The new crit & vers lining embellishments give 756 stats, the 525 ones from dragonflight gave almost 1.3k

[normal mist]

90% of what we do with the new hero talents, we did in DF during S3 and s4

[winter owl]

and after reading the guide, i wanted to watch a video guide on it, do you recommend someone in particularity

[dawn hemlock]

is the anima talent the meta? I hate that one

[normal mist]

Yes

With deathstalker

Not with Fatebound

[dawn hemlock]

SL still haunting us

[cinder sparrow]

yo guys, what are the Ascension on dagger + Patch infos on pin ?

[spice surge]

Embellishments

[rare jackal]

do i understand this correctly: we dont fok in single target when playing vicious venoms?

[normal mist]

Yes

[rare jackal]

alright thanks

[ancient tangle]

i guess the added dmg overcome clear the witenesses ?

[normal mist]

Ye

[ancient tangle]

ok ty

[fathom cove]

I need some clarification of AoE rotation: whats better, switching targets to apply dots or focusing main target to utilize Caustic Spatter?

[normal mist]

Dots for scent of blood stacks (ruptures) and energy Regen, CT and then you pick a target and go ham with caustic

[spice surge]

Its not one or the other, its both

[dapper cradle]

20% agi buff and then go STUPID on a prio target

[rotund sedge]

stats!

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fathom cove]

Ok so ... if I open from Stealth with Indiscriminate Carnage, dots are applied to all targets. If the dots run out and pack is not dead, I manually multidot Rupture (and Garrote?) and then go back to rotation on main target, is that it?

[normal mist]

To up to 3 targets

[fathom cove]

why 3?

[normal mist]

Read the ability

It spreads to up to 3 targets

[fathom cove]

IC you mean?

[normal mist]

So if you have 5 targets let's say, you need to garrote twice and rupture twice

Yes

[fathom cove]

Ok I see

I guess it applies to just closest targets, there is no smart preference for undotted enemies?

[normal mist]

There is smart preference

BUT

You always apply to the one you're castinf

[fathom cove]

Right ok

[normal mist]

Which means that if you garrote the same target twice, you spread 3 and then 2

[tawny pawn]

the funny thing right now is that we have no idea what will peform better in M+ of the many variations of builds we have right now

[normal mist]

We do

It's hybrid

[tawny pawn]

tell me about it

[fathom cove]

I only started on my sin, it seems pretty fun

do you guys say assa or sin btw?

[normal mist]

Both

[tawny pawn]

@normal mist this?

DS or FB?

[normal mist]

I believe DS will perform better in higher keys

Where things actually live

[tawny pawn]

oh the guide is not showing for DS

[normal mist]

Low keys it's whatever

What website is that?

[tawny pawn]

Method

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

Hmmm I can't recall if it is whispyr maintaining that one too or not

Gotta ask him later about that

In case that tree is really bugged

[tawny pawn]

its says it outdated

[normal mist]

Oh

[normal mist]

Honestly just use wowhead

[dull ember]

Hey guys, i bet this has been asked alot but does anyone know of a good introduction video to assas rogue?
Rotations, talents, tips etc

[spice surge]

Whispyr on youtube

[rotund sedge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[arctic cove]

harvesters edict, anyone else not getting like a single proc?

[robust river]

Ass only.

[tawny pawn]

Something i miss a bit(judge me), is the melee auto-attack dmg we used to have on assa

it used to represent so much of our damage

[spice surge]

You want it higher than 10%?

[tawny pawn]

it used to be our top 3 dmg

im not sure if i want that

[robust river]

99% so I can play osrs at the same time.

[spice surge]

Ye like 20 years ago

[tawny pawn]

ye i kind of miss that

but im not sure its healthier

What is the talent that give us extra CB's after our first Rupture again?

i forgot

[limber lion]

You mean CP's?

Serrated Bonespike

[timber basalt]

Why do people hate ER?

[tawny pawn]

ya CP

sry

[spice surge]

Some overthink the "minigame" and get frustrated when they dont land on the points right away
And some just have their hearts filled by hatred towards anything shadowlands related

[royal lantern]

im #2

[timber basalt]

Idk about the latter because somehow sbs or flag seem to be pretty liked

[royal lantern]

tbf, another thing is, the ability just feels forgoten as hell

cus like

7CP finisher........when we have 7CP now...............allright?

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

SBS was only really liked with deathspike tbh

and the "new" SBS has nothing to do with the old one from SL anyway

[timber basalt]

Yeah exactly

[royal lantern]

(i think they should rename/change the animation on it anyway, cus its just really akward now)

SBS beeing the most "aggresive" SL spell on its animation and NOT getting a animation overhaul was weird anyway

[swift sedge]

Well that and when you finish on 2/3 of the combo points it doesn't proc deathstalker like it should (3/3 of you're reapplying)

[timber basalt]

But that is just a bug, right

[swift sedge]

"feature"

[timber basalt]

Wait for 11.1.5

[spice surge]

0.5 even

[swift sedge]

One can hope it gets addressed and fixed before the season starts...but im not too confident

[timber basalt]

I said what I said

[cyan summit]

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Outland/Àkròlolz is there A PVE website similar to this ?

[spice surge]

Raider.io

And/or warcraftlogs

[timber basalt]

Subcreation

[tawny pawn]

Guys are we CTing in ST?

[royal lantern]

no

[tepid vessel]

Yo question, just checked out wowhead and seen we are leaning to Deathstalker now, just wondering if there is a TLDR about whats made us go that route in general?

[tawny pawn]

not even in Sudden Demise range?

[royal lantern]

no

you dont play around sudden demise

[tawny pawn]

i see

[royal lantern]

sudden demise is a "failure safety net" of some reason

its not a dmg gain

[tawny pawn]

its just for low dungeons right?

[royal lantern]

all it does is making sure that Bleed dmg that otherwhise would be wasted atleast does something at all

[royal lantern]

its more like

in normal/heroic dungeons, stuff has so little hp, they allready are in the SD kill range when you put your stuff up

[inner coral]

outside of ara-kara what's a decent trinket in hcs rn

[royal lantern]

all of them

cus its frking heroic and you just take whats has higher ilvl

[tawny pawn]

Can i just say how much i like the inevitability talent so much

Are the sims simming with how the talents were supposed to be working or are the sims considering the bugs?

[spice surge]

For the most part theyre including the bugs

[cyan summit]

mythic 0 ilvl is 593?

[spice surge]

yes

[pulsar apex]

is embelishment limit still 2

[spice surge]

Yes

[pulsar apex]

ty

can i dawnthread x2?

[vague gull]

yes

[tired gull]

For raid build, we’ll pretty much always run the ST build, and swap to caustic for cleave fights right?

[normal mist]

Yes

[vagrant pawn]

i've been curious... is amplifying poison needed in the bleed build?

[limber lion]

No

[vagrant pawn]

kk

I know for sure not to use wound poison tho... lol

[limber lion]

Yeah that's PVP mumbojumbo

[tired gull]

Use instant if you have dtb and not amp

[vagrant pawn]

eww pvp

okies tyvm clutch

[royal lantern]

the only logical reaction somebody can have

[tawny pawn]

You guys are savages

I think ill use this as my wallpaper

Schizo build was wild

[ashen rover]

LMAO

[tawny pawn]

bro i showed this to my guildies they be like

Rogue discord is the best environment

[ashen rover]

It is 💪

[tawny pawn]

Guys what you think of this?
I think you schizo.

xd

[ashen rover]

[tawny pawn]

weakest rogue discord comment

So yeah im using the bleed fatebound build.

It does feel better.

you still have relevant ST dmg and pretty strong aoe/cleave

you dont feel as bad when tanks chain pull. Would Recommend 10/10

im going to try DS version tho.

[golden plume]

how much worse is fatebound in single target ish?

% wise

id interpret this as just as good

but idk

[vale shore]

A negative amount if deathstalker falls off

[flat orbit]

was like 1% or something

[golden plume]

if 1% is true then fuck deathstalker

gamba time

[flat orbit]

but in aoe deathstalker really fucks

[vale shore]

If the boss jumps up onto a platform or something, plating deathstalker is like not having hero talents at all

[charred crest]

Anyone already told which one is better?

[flat orbit]

the left one

follow the blood is 🤮

[royal lantern]

no?

like

they both do the same

but momentum also gives more cp

lol

[flat orbit]

brother whysp made a vid about it

like 4 days ago

of how undertuned it is

[royal lantern]

which one

[stiff wolf]

A good fatebound will never perform better than a good deathstalker player

[flat orbit]

its like rlly shit don't defend it and just go left ull vibe with it

[pulsar apex]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[golden plume]

the deathstalker echoing reprimand bug (or intended feature :S) feels so shit

[royal lantern]

mate

every single build runs momentum lol

[golden plume]

ruins the entire feel

[normal lotus]

I've just dropped ER, I hate it anyways

[flat orbit]

yes that's what I said??

r u reading what im saying

i told the guy to take the left talent (momentum)

[golden plume]

worst talent in the game

[flat orbit]

ur sitting here saying they're both the same 😂

[royal lantern]

i said they DO the same

aka more aoe dmg

momentum just does more

[flat orbit]

yea one does a shitty job at it

guy asked which one to pick

not what they do

[royal lantern]

cus blizz for some reason put 2x aoe talent on a chose 1 node

[strange python]

why the fuck is this an argument

[flat orbit]

idfk why he even replied to me just to agree 😂

[royal lantern]

i didnt even reply to you first

you are not the MC mate

you just typed the same answer faster

[flat orbit]

idk bro

[alpine garden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[flat orbit]

either you misread what I typed to the guy

or something else going on over there

but I clearly told him to pick the left node since he had follow the blood talented lol

helping the hommie out yknow

[reef frigate]

Hey guys, how good is rogue feeling this new expansion? Is it as fun as Df S1?

[azure flare]

feels great

[royal lantern]

gameplay is 95% the same as 10.2

[azure flare]

yeah follow the blood is just

[royal lantern]

if you liked assa in late DF, you like assa now

[winged basin]

so I am confused, I found a full guild on my server that their IO page says they are running double 590 malleable bands, but I keep hearing that they are unique when you craft them with crests, can anyone confirm or deny this?

literally all of their raiders are doing it, so I dont see how it would be unique lmao

[normal lotus]

I have two

[royal lantern]

we are talking past eachother while tryint to say the same thing

[normal lotus]

They aren't unique equip

[flat orbit]

ur right 😂

🤝

[winged basin]

I figured, was a silly question, just wanted to make sure before I pulled the trigger lol.

[normal lotus]

Atleast I think? I'm not at laptop

[soft dew]

they arent

[normal lotus]

And I'm gearing rogue and monk so I might have 1 on each 😅

[soft dew]

u can have two

[pulsar apex]

if ive spend some weathered on 2x embelishments... and my main hand. worth spending more? on a trinket? or just dont bother?

[spice surge]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[ashen rover]

public crafting order

[reef frigate]

Thanks, I did not play the later seasons but I loved sin and sub rogue in S1.

[vale shore]

I wonder if Midnight is going to expand the hero talents further or are we choosing another 10talent themed spec?

[normal lotus]

They're better than in s1

[royal lantern]

mate, if "hero talents" survive the way they are trought TWW

im legit suprised AND shocked

[shell sundial]

On single targets, am I supposed to run out of energy and not be able to constantly press a button, or is it just because I mess something up

[spice surge]

Yes

[soft dew]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[wild hound]

Does anyone know the spell ID of amplifying poison? Trying to remove it from plater tracking

[tawny junco]

So spam in kingsbane window, sleep in between

?

[soft dew]

it shows at the bottom

@wild hound

[wild hound]

Thx ❤️

[shell sundial]

Thankyou, so I just press nothing outside of keeping up garrote/rupture when I'm out of burn, sitting on 5+ stacks waiting for envenom to get closer to timeout right

[wild hound]

it still shows up, any idea why? 😮 anyone knows how to add spell ids to the tooltip on plater so i can check which spell Id the one that pops up has?

[soft dew]

can you not just type the spell name to the blacklist?

[red trout]

have u got some guidence for rotation in dung? how to play with cd like deathmark, kingbane, shiv, when to use fan on knives and how to maximise usage of Caustic Spatter

[wild hound]

wow that worked, added all of them i guess, thank you so much! ❤️

[whole sand]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[earnest canopy]

any renown reccomended for assassination to focus for gear?

[royal lantern]

mate

look at the rewards

renown is cosmetic only for 2 expansions now lol

[earnest canopy]

i saw some people runing purple gear 1/8 from reps

591

[radiant raven]

Yeah, those unlock very early on. You can have all the 584 gear. Each faction has one (helm, shoudlers, chest, trinket. And there's a neck item from Hallowfall via a quest too)

If you look at the tracks, you can see where they are.

[royal lantern]

yes, there is a single gear reward at renown 7 which will be thrown away the second the season starts

and thats it

[earnest canopy]

so there is no acctual impotency to choose 1 spesific ok

[radiant raven]

You'll max all of them in a few weeks anyway. There's no meaningful power behind any of them, and you can just check the rewards and decide which you personally think is more useful.

[royal lantern]

^

[tired gull]

i wish there was some way to reapply deathstalkers while in combat when it falls off to a phase transition or something (without relying on vanish)

[iron valve]

play sub 🙂

[tired gull]

no thanks

[dapper cradle]

based sub hater

[whole sand]

i can't imagine there being a 30 second phase transition

[dapper cradle]

the flying shit in dawn breaker

that dungeon is so ass it's unreal

[whole sand]

dawn breaker isn't a real dungeon

[dapper cradle]

in the last phase of the last boss

[royal lantern]

tbf

when he lands you should use cds, which includes vanish

thats a fight where its not a real problem

(fuck deathstalker anyway)

[radiant raven]

Think of the intermission as downtime to get cooldowns back during a lesiurely fly about.

[whole sand]

remember when you had to follow the boat

[radiant raven]

Bring the boat back.

Let me ride the boat.

So I can go get a drink or something during the intermission.

[royal lantern]

btw

while all proffesion stuff this expansion is purge garbage

atleast cooking is made easy

[trail mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[royal lantern]

only need 35 skill to make everything for yourself with almost no costs

[radiant raven]

Pretty chill. I should get on and level it.

[royal lantern]

• all food can be made to last trought death with that skill

[royal lantern]

at 25 you learn "hearty food"

[radiant raven]

Ye, the replacement for the flavour packet.

[royal lantern]

which is just "combine 5 food into 1 hearty food, hearty food lasts trought death"

[radiant raven]

I'm a huge fan of how they've changed that. It's a really elegant solution.

[royal lantern]

and at 35skill you can make beledars bounty, which is the best non-feast food

and its cheap to make

[radiant raven]

I too eat five portions and consider it hearty.

[royal lantern]

only needs beef from the AH

everything else is 12silver vendor items

[radiant raven]

That's good to know, rad.

[dusk sun]

does animacharged envenom behave like a 7cp finisher? Sometimes it feels like it isnt