assassination

[rotund oak]

mage needs to be a king

u work for him,he works for u

thats the mage/rogue tech

when he calls ''its all u'' u know what u have to do

[grim jay]

Play unholy dk so you dont have to play with a mage?

[rotund oak]

😂

ild rather war

or hpally

rly like the spec lately

[waxen oyster]

Unholy used to be one of the more skillcapped specs

unsure how true that is now

[rotund oak]

ye had some weird snipetech going on with garg n stuff

[grim jay]

I like my specs being playable everywhere, so I kinda shy away from warrior often

Its just not good compared to fury most of the time

For like m+

Unholy usually can do everything good, same with WW and mage

[rotund oak]

yeah true

makes sense

[waxen oyster]

warrior hasnt had m+ limelight

in years

[grim jay]

Yeah but even then arms most of the time is the worse spec

Which makes it even more annoying

Not good as a class and then playing the worse spec is kinda eh

[waxen oyster]

tbf my first pvp push on warrior was

play paintrain

every game

[waxen oyster]

I think only times warrior has been m+ meta

were tos arms for overtuned dam

and bfa prot

[delicate trench]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

who cares, arms plays cool

cleave hitting chunky af in aoe is fun

[orchid pewter]

Remove slam tho pls

[royal lantern]

tbh, if you play slayer you barely hit slam

bettwen overpower procs, execute procs and mortal strike itself +bladestorming more often

[grim jay]

I do, playing something thats garbage isnt what I enjoy, especially if fury is a disaster and prot feels pretty unfun compared to bdk

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but im trying glad push on my mage again

prolly hpally as well

hunters arent rly that much of a thing now with monks and dks running around slapping them

mage gonna let lose

[limber dew]

I was running sims and the honey badger trinket is simming higher than any other 2nd trinket by about 7k. But can't see it recommended anywhere.

Anyone able to shed light on it, is it good or just inflated by sims ?

[runic hinge]

There isn’t really bis lists or super optimization for pre season

[jovial patrol]

It won't be part of Season 1.

[grim jay]

Noone did any stuff for the pre season items

[drifting cloud]

trinkets also got buffed a few days ago

dont believe its simming wrong so go for it

[lunar lotus]

!wa

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[cerulean walrus]

Got the trinket

[upbeat ivy]

Which tribket you guys Farm ?

[strange python]

is it worth saving the special assignment for reset? or will it dispear says 4 days

[quiet oar]

THere is a timer on it

[hot fulcrum]

trinket that will be replaced right after season start 🙂

[sour kernel]

Hi, sry new assa player here. Saw 3 talents in wowhead for m+ that's catered toward how high is the key n what u need. So like, rotational wise, how different are the priority/rotation for those 3? Is it like only a few skills replaced/priorities shuffled etc? I'm sorry, I haven't gone through the rotation page in details because I'm only starting today but would like a brief introduction to those 3 builds

[round nexus]

That depends on RNG really. There's nothing wrong with setting up for some RNG protection

[grim jay]

They all farm the ara ara ballsac

I mean ara kara eggsac

[upbeat ivy]

ah got it yday 🙂

[grim jay]

Got it first try

Get on my level

[upbeat ivy]

same on on alt with rogue i wen in for 50 times

[normal kindle]

I went in 2 times with my guildmates and got it on rogue and warlock OH YEAH

[grim jay]

They all have slight nuances, no insane difference. Hybrid will probably end up the go to for actual m+

[normal mist]

Bleed focuses more on AoE bleed DMG, which contributes to huge sudden demise, especially in lower m0 / m+ keys where everything melts

[grim jay]

Im just playing Hybrid all the time for everything

Still pull over 1m overall

Just pick it up and get used to that

Even if its slightly less dmg for now

[median igloo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[sour kernel]

Noted thank you for the help

[round nexus]

Also playing only Hybrid

[limber dew]

@grim jay I'm only finishing at about 800k overall. What is your item level ? I didn't play dragonflight at all so still learning. It's probably a lack of skill my end as it still feels really hectic to remember which buttons to press and track bleeds etc for me at the moment.

[plain jewel]

does zoldyck increase envenom damage?

[normal mist]

Things die in two seconds

Overall right now means nothing

[spice surge]

Yes

[grim jay]

Only 584, but it also depends on the pulls, the group and many things

Kinda a gamble

Rn

[golden matrix]

is the icy veins or wowhead assa guide for mythic+ better to follow for someone new to rogue?

[thin ingot]

have they mentioned anything about deathstalkers mark being tied to ambush for assa? lvling it as a main alt and it just feels bad, idk if anyone else thinks the same

[waxen oyster]

doesnt change much

[thin ingot]

deathstalker mark**

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you press garrote second global

not first

Not a huge difference

[grim jay]

Both good ig, I usually use wowhead, its maintained by our TC

[thin ingot]

yeah indiscriminate carnage wouldnt you want to tap garrote rupture on big pulls to spread as many bleeds as possible?

instead of having to ambush

[waxen oyster]

it's 1 global

[golden matrix]

cool ty @grim jay

[waxen oyster]

brother.....

[thin ingot]

so youre saying its good design wise it wouldnt be better tied to garrote

[waxen oyster]

That would be weird considering its shared with sub

and its fine on st

bugs aside

[kind hare]

!wa

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[grim jay]

I mean they could just make it generator from stealth and it all equals out

But I dont think its much of an issue either way

[grim jay]

You kinda lose 2 (Max 3) garrotes worth of damage optimally once, potentially less than a handful of times over the whole dungeon

So not a real biggy at all

[winged basin]

this is going to sound like an incredibly useless thing, but is there a way, that I would be able to display with a WA or addon, just the order of my opener so I can practice without having to look at my 2nd monitor everytime I mess up and press the wrong thing? dont want a rotation helper, just something to visually look in game while I get the muscle memory down

[grim jay]

If you are fine with a text style opener, thats what I do on new specs, you can use the method raid tools raid note function

[winged basin]

ahh true, didnt think about that, can add spell icons to that too right? just a little more work cause you have to know the spell id yeah?

[grim jay]

Should be possible. If you have elvui, the spell IDs are on the skills if you hover over them

[winged basin]

is there a way to make the MRT text bigger?

nevermind, found it

im a goober

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-goober-gif-7748713

[robust river]

Could you send a pic when done? I might give this a go 😄

Either that or I might just write "SILENCE THE WITNESS" in size 40 font as that's what I keep forgetting 😄

[winged basin]

it aint pretty, but itll help my blind self not have to stop and look at wowhead every 2 seconds

[robust river]

Do spell IDs work in that?

[winged basin]

my only question is if I am using the puzzle box trink Imperfect Ascendancy Serum, would I still want to use it as soon as I press deathmark? dont know how much waste would come from sitting for 1.5 seconds after pressing a major cooldown charging up a trink lol..

obviously wont be a problem when m+ comes out, but just a weird think to have to think about for now

[clever sapphire]

how long does that trinket last?

[winged basin]

20s

[clever sapphire]

well then use before dm imo

since dm is 16(?) seconds

[quiet oar]

Longer than me

[clever sapphire]

so like trinket -> envenom -> dm -> shiv -> kb

or somethin like this

[covert basin]

Correct

[glass hemlock]

Hit a dummy for 2 hours straight ez

[winged basin]

thats the plan

[grim jay]

Well I usually have it placed on the side, but that works aswell I guess

[winged basin]

LMAO, I am blind, so I am just gonna have it sit in the middle of my screen til I can remember it well enough to just shut it off

figure I swing at the dummy for an hour and ill have it

[glass hemlock]

😂😂

[winged basin]

listen lol, laugh if you want, but I spent the whole entire last xpac, pretty much pressing lava burst 24/7 my brain is mush peas, and these mental gymnastics are hard lmfao havent played my rogue since S2 SL

[drifting cedar]

Why vanish there

[coarse summit]

Isn't this missing a fan of knives?

[winged basin]

going off wowhead, and having vicious venoms takes the FoK out of the opener

[coarse summit]

Ah

[topaz isle]

Has anyone cooked a combined raid + M+ BIS List for Assa? The one on Wowhead is either Raid or M+ only

(I know I need to SIM and such, but like a general outline)

[balmy condor]

There’s an overall bis at the top

[topaz isle]

Oh my

Can i please get some stronger coffee

Sorry @balmy condor and thanks for the good work!

[balmy condor]

Np you’re good

[onyx mesa]

When spreading garrote/rupture, is it spreading from my target or am I spreading it from me? as in what target is the radius of the spread starting from

[balmy condor]

You’re not gonna like the answer but both

It picks the target with a larger radius as a first check, and has a secondary check on the player with a smaller radius

[reef axle]

fok in st when we dont have vv?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[onyx mesa]

You are correct, I don't like that answer hahaha but thanks, so if the target doesn't have anything near, it will check me at a smaller radius and if I do, it will cast on the target

[balmy condor]

Yes

In general it’s just kind of a “let’s not worry about that it just works and that’s good enough” type of situation

[midnight atlas]

is there an updated list of acronims ?

[onyx mesa]

amazing.. 10/10

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so

[midnight atlas]

time to use my brain and look at all spells that could be "vv"

vicious venoms got it

[royal lantern]

uvvu

[quiet oar]

Uwu?

:3

[midnight atlas]

thats not a spell

[grim jay]

It is

It charms the target

[proper ravine]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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[midnight atlas]

more like run away in fear for me. guess it has different procs

[winged basin]

maybe im coping cause its a lot easier looking to me personally, but fatebound is kinda fun.. the coin just absolutely slaps lol

[robust river]

Is there anyway to verify you've done it correctly btw?

[austere plaza]

ngl, i'm hating assasi in aoe situations

[glass hemlock]

Get a gcd tracker and record it

You can generally tell if you did it right based off dps etc too

[kindred spruce]

it took a while but i think im finally too dumb to play this class

[glass hemlock]

@robust river

[robust river]

Any recommendatiosn for gcd tracker? Never used one

[glass hemlock]

from memory I think there’s one called trufigcd or something, it’s a weak aura

Otherwise just have a look on wago

[vale lantern]

It’ll be better when dungeon mobs aren’t 100 mobs per pack instead 5-12

[austere plaza]

i hope so.

still hoping they remove the stealth requirment from IC tho (even if its idle hope)

[grim jay]

There was a version like that with an active button and everyone was crying about it

[cunning needle]

hey @glass hemlock are you singaporean by any chance?

[vale lantern]

With the way packs are being pulled you can’t dot everything up and there’s always one straggler mob that lives so you never get a restealth and your just sad

[glass hemlock]

Australian mate why’s that!

[grim jay]

Idk. Everything dies Immediately either way

[vale lantern]

It was like a 45 second cd iirc right?

[robust river]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[cunning needle]

oh shit theres two of us now

[glass hemlock]

Ohhhhh yess

[robust river]

As long as you're hitting something you are doing dps is al that matters I guess

even if it doesn't feel as fluid

[vale lantern]

It still dies but I get endorphins from seeing my rupture and garrote light up

[vale lantern]

I do personally need to get better at spreading rupture outside of the initial fight thou that I can agree one

[exotic parcel]

We all know rogue is pretty strong rn in heroic dungs but a lot of that is cause off ‘sudden demise’. Do you think we will lose a decent amount of our damage cause mobs will have more health in M+?

[robust river]

Speaking of light up. Why doesn't FoK light up for witness proc? Is that na addon stopping that or does it just not?

[glass hemlock]

No

[glass hemlock]

We love more health

[robust river]

You LOSE dps from sudden demise compared to bleed going full duration

[grim jay]

Its actually relatively weak because you cant get your strong point down imo

[glass hemlock]

Go watch someone do 2m dps in beta 😂

[cunning needle]

how bad is it to be lazy and just target one mob to cleave bleeds with indescrimiate carnage?

in m+

[ashen rover]

Sudden demise ruins everything 😭!!

[unborn wharf]

send it

[vale lantern]

True this might make me feel more endorphins:o

[glass hemlock]

It’s an 11/10 lazy

Hahahaha

[cunning needle]

yeah but i forget which mob i originally had targetted

[glass hemlock]

Nah I don’t think it’s that bad, just not super efficient

[grim jay]

Not bad at all, you only really lose "noticeable" damage if you go at like 10+ targets

[ashen rover]

I always do that

[robust river]

If 5 targets in theory it's fine I guess? 😄 If 6 you lose an application?

[cunning needle]

hell yeah

lazy gamers rise up

[austere plaza]

its still annoying to ST rupture every target if you can't stealth

[glass hemlock]

You don’t have the bleeds on plater?

[robust river]

Wait, do you not lose an application of garrote/rupture every time then? I assume it's main target + 2 nearby?

[grim jay]

You do

[cunning needle]

I do, but i'm bad at clicking on things

[glass hemlock]

You can hit the same target with another garrote or rupture and it spreads

[ashen rover]

Idk about lazy it's just not that worth, I'm doing it to send the opener on the prio target and then I spread more bleeds anyways ahahah

[glass hemlock]

Tab target gamer rise up

[royal lantern]

mfs play a dot based class and complain about playing around dots

[glass hemlock]

Or if you’re some chad then mouseover garrote/rupture lmao

[robust river]

Thought so. So 5 targets, no loss. 6 targets, loss. 7 targets, no real loss. 8+ loss.

[grim jay]

Yeah but its not worth thinking about it

[robust river]

Just select a new target is the way 😄

[grim jay]

You get 3+2+2+2 garrotes

Thats 9

[jolly heath]

I ruptured wrong target while mouseover for so many times

[glass hemlock]

Main thing is to have 5 ruptures out no?

[robust river]

In 4 casts instead of 3.

[raven egret]

A single extra garotte won't make or break your overall

[glass hemlock]

Yeah would be very low % loss

[grim jay]

Yeah but the one fok instead of garrote is barely any damage

[robust river]

Haha I'll aim to play them optimally but not worry about a misclick I think 😄

[raw tusk]

Fok in the st opener is just to use clear the witness right?

[robust river]

Yes

[raven egret]

If you are at risk of losing sight of your primary burst target, don't bother. Sending KB on a lame low HP Mook is infinitely more damaging to your dps

[raw tusk]

And you don’t do it with vv?

[glass hemlock]

KBing the wrong thing would be the stuff of nightmares

[jolly heath]

no

[raw tusk]

👍

[austere plaza]

imagine not wanting to play only rupture but your entire aoe toolkit ?

[royal lantern]

how did you guys play the spec pre 10.2

lol

[grim jay]

Arguably you play the other part more than rupture either way

[vale lantern]

Spreading of fok outside of the proc do we fok in 3+ or 5+ targets it’s 3 right? Or have I been dumb

[jolly heath]

it's 3+

[vale lantern]

Okay iv been doing it right then I wasn’t being dumb

[jolly heath]

but if you look at TC channel, I think they cook something new

with new rules

[raven egret]

I feel like some don't believe in our Lord and Savior Crimson Tempest and it's consort, Spatter

[royal lantern]

pre 10.2 was no spatter

[grim jay]

Gotta get tested and approved first, no need to worry about yet

[raven egret]

I know, but since then they haven't learned the good word of our divine godly abilities

[robust river]

Anyone know if Assa usually gets suported in wowanalyze?

[unborn wharf]

What is the priority on sending the 7 cp darkest night over the maintenance things, do we prio it over refreshing garrote/rupture, refreshing caustic, refreshing tempest? I assume the darkest night damage gets caustic'd so is caustic being up or down important on determining if you send it?

[jolly heath]

7CP darkest night is highest prio i think

[grim jay]

You shouldnt be in a situation to decide

You have pandemic windows to work with

[raven egret]

If Mark isn't up on a target, then most of your hero talent does absolutely nothing for you. But you rarely if ever should have that problem

[unborn wharf]

yeah for sure, i guess im asking from the situation when you are playing unoptimally like i do lol or like good example is the mob on cinderbrew that dies and spawns a bunch of mini ads

like for that kind of situation where you cant always get back into stealth and you have darkest night, do u wanna build a caustic up first?

[raven egret]

Mini ads will be taken care of by your warlock friend, leave it to them

Like most of those won't live long enough to really have an option

But generally speaking if you are chain pulling and you are already at 7CP, send it. If you are not at 7cp then business as usual

[robust river]

DMark - all finishers work on that right? Rupture/CT etc, not just Envenom?
Envenom only for darkest night right?

[unborn wharf]

roger roger commander.

[raven egret]

Don't overcap on CP just for a DN proc, you'll get way more fat envenoms where those came from if you just keep sending it

[raven egret]

Correct. 5+ finishers, 7 envenom for DN

[unborn wharf]

have you guys tested dawnbreaker 3rd boss? Does deathstalker/darkest night last longer than the boat ride for the flying boss to come to ground?

or do you save vanish for p2 there

[final star]

DN

[raven egret]

Haven't timed it, I don't know if it's guaranteed to drop stacks, but do haul ass and land asap

[noble pagoda]

it lasts long enough if u don‘t get dn too early

otherwise it falls off

[raven egret]

Haven't timed it cause last time I went in the damn ship didn't even take off and we all had to leave. Stupid ass instance...

[unborn wharf]

thats a classic

[noble pagoda]

i just save vanish because im lazy

[unborn wharf]

am i stupid or what does doing damage even do

on p1 there

doesnt it always phase at 5 bombs

[noble pagoda]

well the bombs only do so much damage

[unborn wharf]

like what are we accomplishing

[vale lantern]

I loaded in once and the boat spawned for everyone but me I had to leave and come back

[noble pagoda]

and you need to get the boss below like 60%

so any damage you do in p1 is damage you don‘t have to do in p2

[unborn wharf]

is that just heroic dungeon jank or something cause i told my group to afk and just use bombs and it phased at 5 bombs for 60

[raven egret]

Its such a fun instance that nobody sees the same bugs, it's a new one for every group!

[noble pagoda]

it might be 50%

i don‘t have the exact threshold in my head

[unborn wharf]

its like 62.5% or something yeah?

[noble pagoda]

but damage is definitely still worthwhile

in p1

[unborn wharf]

okay, ill chalk it up to heroic dungeon jank and the bombs just do enough to phase the boss on their own

cause we were literally back turned to the boss not doing anything and it phased at the same health just the same

[noble pagoda]

well phasing is one thing

but u stimm have to do damage in p2

[vale lantern]

He takes reduced damage at 75% if that helps in phase 1

[raven egret]

Its like mueh'zala really, bwomsamdi will deal the most damage but remaining is on you

[noble pagoda]

it phases after 5 bombs not after some dps

i think

[vale lantern]

It does phase after 5 bombs

[noble pagoda]

yeah

[unborn wharf]

so we just are chipping away at that 4% of the raidboss health for the whole fight?

[granite leaf]

Bobsalami is best boi

[raven egret]

All I'm hearing is that the healer can handle it. Got it, gonna sit on the boss

[unborn wharf]

theoretically could you snipe it at p1 before 5th bomb

or wait what case said it's DR'd

[noble pagoda]

well theoretically you could

but in practice not happening in relevant content

[unborn wharf]

yeah

[raven egret]

I really wish that it wasn't a S1 m+ dungeon. Hell I wish it wasn't a dungeon at all

[fringe lily]

!wa

[noble pagoda]

also cant wait for pugs to get the acid mechanic correctly at some point

i love dawnbreaker

it‘s really cool

gonna be exciting to see the routes that pop up to get enough %

[raven egret]

Exciting... Well can't stop you from being insane so have at it!

[noble pagoda]

idk it‘s a fun dungeon

[unborn wharf]

based

[noble pagoda]

it‘s gonna be m+ anyway and I‘m not gonna sap my own fun worrying about it

[royal lantern]

people always say "its a fun dungeon" until you actually have to play the dungeon

[noble pagoda]

it‘s gonna be timeable and that‘s all that counts

idc lmao

it‘s a fun dungeon

[robust river]

Is that definitely right? Does the none-CP waste really cover the loss of 5% damage increase from hero talents?

[noble pagoda]

id do anything for general steelstrike

[unborn wharf]

playing outlaw on that first boss on dawnbreaker though

thats troublesome

guaranteed AR loss on 50% and 0%

BIG

[royal lantern]

a milf hunter, i see

[noble pagoda]

no more like

fulfilling my gay fantasy of dating a female general

i am already attached to her

i stg if anything happens

ill quit the xpac

[raven egret]

There's no situation you want to willingly overcap on CP, like ever. Its already happening that we have to accept losing CPs to get to the forced 7, so no, we otherwise never just overcap willingly

[south prawn]

Are u guys dropping ER for AoE? Not having it proc Dmark is so cringe

[raven egret]

Hey to be fair, I like Steelstrike

Plus she sends me work orders

[noble pagoda]

back in line

i was first

[shell sundial]

if im crafting 590 weapons, do i craft the ironclaw stiletto or the ironclaw dirk

[noble pagoda]

whatever gives agility

[normal mist]

The one with agility

[noble pagoda]

not intelligence

[ashen rover]

"It's a fun dungeon" until you do it in m+

[robust river]

Is there not the, rare I assume, chance you don't "land" on 7 CP for a few envenoms in a row though? Obviously have to force it if you don't get that window within 30 seconds right? I'm new to ass so may be misunderstanding some stuff

[shell sundial]

ty

[normal mist]

It's as simple as this:

• we finish on 5+;
• when playing Deathstalker, we force 7CP to proc darkest night.

[sick smelt]

What should I macro CB into? or don't macro?

[robust river]

Yeah that's what I thought, but Sellia said not to force 7CP

[sick smelt]

I know sub macros it onto secret tec

[normal mist]

Only for darkest night

[normal mist]

Envenom

[raven egret]

No worries so to clarify, royal highlighted the rules, you will overcap on CPs regularly to get to the 7 needed for DN. What you don't do is cast more CP generating abilities once you are at 7 already to setup a garotte or something

[robust river]

Yeah, that was the specific discussion they said still not too.

[sick smelt]

alright, cool, thank

[robust river]

Oh ok yeah, was specifically about DN 😄 Don't overcap for bleeds (which should never happen with pandemics anyway)

[granite leaf]

Do we mostly ignore the anima charged CPs from decree and use them if they align?

[raven egret]

Yep. It'll happen naturally.

[robust river]

There's no good way to "game" them to landing on them without wasting energy so use them as they pop up.

[granite leaf]

Yeah, I've been noticing sometimes they just don't hit and I'm like meh, cba managing that

[rigid vessel]

And if you miss one it’s not a big issue anyway

[normal mist]

Yeah

[robust river]

Only thing I've used is pandemic garrote is 1CP which sometimes helps for hitthing the last one.

[raven egret]

We barely play with ER at all as it stands with both hero talents, so even less to worry about

[noble pagoda]

honestly cant wait for it to work properly with deathstalkee

not because of the dps necessarily

just because it will feel great to play

[robust river]

Do you mean we don't take ER? Or we don't think about ER? 😄

[raven egret]

I mean, it works with Fatebound but we still use CB 🤮

[noble pagoda]

cb is a dumb ability

[raven egret]

But of column A, bit of column B

[noble pagoda]

and fatebound is kinda boring i think

[robust river]

ER is in literally every build on wowhead? 😅

[raven egret]

I'd argue most our class capstones are boring as all hell

[noble pagoda]

at least deahtstalker has some interaction

but yes I agree, compared to stuff like dk it‘s no competition

[proud pelican]

I know deathstalker is ~2-3% ahead according to sims but does anyone know if that’s with the ER bug or if it’s with ER working correctly?

[noble pagoda]

i wish they had some better visual or auditory feedback

just feels like nothing is happening

[kindred breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[raven egret]

Raid fatebound build doesn't do ER

In fact any fatebound uses CB

[robust river]

Ah fatebound doesn't run it, DM does though.

[raven egret]

Currently at least.... Bug fixes and all can change the game overnight

[novel star]

with bug

[raven egret]

We have no word from blizz so, we got to sadly make do with it

[novel star]

cb isn’t an ability

well i guess it is for now because of the edge case bug

but that shits a passive for real

[royal lantern]

even that thing

is some REALLY big minmax shit

[lapis depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

yea

i don’t know how much % worse it is to lose edge case

[royal lantern]

like, you can macro it with envebom and ignore the edge case thingy, and its a very very minor difference

[novel star]

i just know it’s bad

[noble pagoda]

yeah that‘s why lol

[novel star]

better than er

[noble pagoda]

having something that‘s just macrod to other stuff 100% of the time is certainly an interesting design choice

at least pressing er feels fun

ooo blue combo points in my wa

and they turn normal after hitting them? wow

[novel star]

preference ig

[raven egret]

CB, ER and the whole path down double vanish are, imo, terrible and could use a revamp. Make our capstones fun or something.

[novel star]

i hate er so much it’s kinda wild

[noble pagoda]

why haha

[novel star]

just feels like you lack control

over your burst

[raven egret]

ER isn't exactly a burst ability thought

[novel star]

landing on the animacharged point is luck

[noble pagoda]

i mean it happens eventually

[raven egret]

You will naturally land on them thought

[noble pagoda]

you don‘t really play around it and it‘s not a gigantic increase

ass feels great to play rn imo, especially once the bugs are fixed

[uneven summit]

anybody know how big the difference is on Cold Blood vs. Echoing Repri?

[novel star]

i mean yeah but it’d just feel nicer imo if you could guarantee immediate reward

[raven egret]

I dislike ER cause why would I want to press that button over Mutilate, it feels out of place to me is all

[noble pagoda]

society and its dependency on immediate gratification smh 😔

[novel star]

obv you’ll like never ever get unlucky enough that you lose the point

[atomic grotto]

hey guys, for M+ do u sim Dungeonslice, specific routes, or patchwerk 5 targets with low duration?

[novel star]

just feels icky to me

[noble pagoda]

thats fair

i like having a slow burn ability like that personally

makes the downtime between burst windows not feel as bad

[raven egret]

I just feel that we could use something else, something more rogue oriented. Idk, just not ER or CB or that double vanish bs

[novel star]

nothing is perfect but dslice is fine

probably the best option

[atomic grotto]

thank u amigo

[noble pagoda]

i feel like ER could very easily be reflavoured to a proper rogue ability

[grim jay]

It is indeed the best option

[noble pagoda]

careful preparation or something

[robust river]

I am enjoying the lack of button bloat though. Logged onto a DH the other day and they've got 700 abilities, half of which from what I can see you just ignore.

[grim jay]

All of them arent good tho

[high siren]

what's the interaction that makes getting back full combos points when using rupture in aoe? I know serrated bone spike gives you 3, but does that scale somehow in aoe ?

[novel star]

indiscriminate carnage = 3 ruptures = 3 bone spikes

[high siren]

oh, alright

[novel star]

[robust river]

They're all used though right? I can't think of anything in our kit that I just flat out never press. Maybe Pick Lock 😄

[novel star]

it checks the 3 active bone spikes before it adds points

so you just instantly get 6

is how it works i think?

guessing Ngl

[noble pagoda]

it‘s 1+2+3

[novel star]

ah

[noble pagoda]

because 1 more for each active bone spike

[novel star]

that makes more sense

i am a fool

of sorts

[noble pagoda]

i think lol

[novel star]

but who cares the end result is you get 6 points back because of ic lol

stuff in the middle is for NERDS!!!!!

[noble pagoda]

im a nerd

[novel star]

same just not a smart one

[noble pagoda]

i bet you are

don’t underestimate yourself

[novel star]

[noble pagoda]

i take it back

[raven egret]

^ what not to do anymore

[robust river]

I have done that more timse than I care to admit. It feels like it should do damage

[novel star]

watched a bfa sin key today to remind myself what the spec was like when i first played wow

[royal lantern]

we need a version that is just FoK, for the glorious Echoing Blades time

[novel star]

that aoe rotation actually sucked ass

[glass hemlock]

CT animation so cool

[novel star]

cant believe we were doing that shit

[noble pagoda]

i got my wa to track the CT debuff and I have never pressed it before it fell off

[native fossil]

any 1 knows what the BiS race for assa rn??

[normal mist]

The prettiest

[novel star]

the one that makes you happy.

[royal lantern]

🦊

[noble pagoda]

human

[royal lantern]

always

[noble pagoda]

because you are a human

[glass hemlock]

Prove it

[royal lantern]

always 🦊

[pliant remnant]

anything but human

[noble pagoda]

if you can self insert

[novel star]

pandaren because you are a panda

[pliant remnant]

because you are a human

[noble pagoda]

you can relate more

[robust river]

Gnome (purely for aesthetics, no idea what actual answer is)

[novel star]

and you can take SO MUCH fall damage as a panda rogue dude.

[glass hemlock]

I can relate more to stabbing people

[whole sand]

robot gnome

[noble pagoda]

tauren

[pliant remnant]

I relate more to dwarf than human

[novel star]

but yeah i think it’s mechagnome and orc?

[royal lantern]

if you can only self insert into a human, you are kinda low on the imagination scale

[noble pagoda]

ur intimidating

[glass hemlock]

Dracthyr confirmed best rogue race

[raven egret]

Ankle biters?

[normal mist]

I'm so happy chat today knows their shit

[novel star]

i forgot tauren rogues are real

[whole sand]

they're not

[raven egret]

Tauren rogues are not real

Gtfo

[glass hemlock]

War stomp op

[novel star]

it really is…

might have to race change

[merry bison]

💯 🙏

[normal mist]

Self stun op

[noble pagoda]

no i love all sorts of human-adjacent races

[glass hemlock]

Race change Tauren but imorph blood elf

[raven egret]

So all of them?

[noble pagoda]

like tieflings (humans with horns)
or elves (humans with pointy ears)

[novel star]

kidding i love seeing the thick panda woman on my monitor

pandaren animations are legit bis

[noble pagoda]

a tauren is not human adjacent

[glass hemlock]

Everything is human adjacent if you squint

[novel star]

panda envenom sheesh

so clean

[noble pagoda]

i only play pretty races sorry 💅

[raven egret]

Is mommy Xal'atath human adjacent?

[glass hemlock]

Oli cosplays panda dance irl

[novel star]

elf

[noble pagoda]

she is whatever she wants to be

[novel star]

yeah

[noble pagoda]

and i support her 100% all the way

[whole sand]

she is really that human mage dude in dalaran he's just going around pretending to be a pretty elf lady

[raven egret]

Xal'atath for Queen of Stormwind 2024! Vote Void!

[glass hemlock]

Spoilers

That’s the new quest line in the war outside

[normal mist]

That made me laugh

[robust river]

You can tell she's her feet out in a cut scene 🤣

[granite leaf]

Voting for Xalatath is like voting for Biden, both are literally corpses

[normal mist]

LOL

[noble pagoda]

i love her even if she is a formless void blob

[haughty flicker]

would you love her even if she was a worm

[noble pagoda]

yes

[haughty flicker]

because theres a good chance she is

[noble pagoda]

my love for her is unconditional

[normal mist]

If she can cook me a meal as a worm

[novel star]

i sometimes wonder what race i’d be in wow if pandaren weren’t so fucking hot cool

[noble pagoda]

and I will refuse to kill her in the last raid

[normal mist]

Then sure

[noble pagoda]

wtf

[granite leaf]

I'm clearly too old for the internet, everyone is obssessed with finding a mommy

[noble pagoda]

I will cook for her

[novel star]

nelf is too basic

[normal mist]

That's too one sided

[noble pagoda]

no

[normal mist]

Both must cook

[noble pagoda]

she is girlbossing

and I support her

[haughty flicker]

the xalatath simping is a bit overdone

[normal mist]

Lolololol

[haughty flicker]

but i understand it

[normal mist]

Fair

[noble pagoda]

doing all that planning might be tiring

[normal mist]

Rub her feet

[noble pagoda]

and when she comes home it will be to a hearty meal

[normal mist]

While she plans Midnight

[granite leaf]

Xalatath is servant of the void, possessing a night elf corpse, right?

[robust river]

If it was this, they would.

[novel star]

maybe xalatath is the goat

[granite leaf]

Or rather, former empress of the black empire

[royal lantern]

real guys simp over The Weaver

she can call me a little morsel all day

[novel star]

i don’t wanna fight her anymore

[noble pagoda]

every empress needs a handmaiden and it‘s gonna be me

i refuse to fight her

sorry guild

bench me for the fight

i refuse

[raven egret]

Truth right there. Weaver best girl TWW don't @ me

[novel star]

i simply have too much love for elven toes

[normal mist]

Funny how the same thing happened in ff14 @noble pagoda

[whole sand]

spider weaver or lobster weaver?

[granite leaf]

Don't worry, it'll be sargeras 2.0, we will fight some rando and put her in prison

[noble pagoda]

i hope so

because ill free her

[novel star]

[robust river]

Wait. How does Weaver look with archonaphobia mode on?

[noble pagoda]

what happened there

[normal mist]

A crab

[haughty flicker]

just a random crab model

nothing special

its one of the lobster things

[novel star]

crabs make more sense than spiders tbh

a lot of the other void related stuff is like

sea creature inspired

[normal mist]

When raid launched in this new expansion, there's a cute boss that no one wanted to fight. If you have the time, YouTube "ff14 queenbee dawntrail"

[noble pagoda]

ok sorry

[raven egret]

Idk but here's bethilac from Firelands;

[noble pagoda]

but I couldn‘t relate

i don‘t like the art style of that game at all

[haughty flicker]

yeah this is the same for weaver

though maybe a different color

idr

[novel star]

that lobster is hd as FUCK

[robust river]

If anyone else was cruious. This should probably be in #off-topic though 😄

[novel star]

wait that’s actually so beast

[noble pagoda]

as someone without arachnophobia that lobster is way more scary

[novel star]

i love it

[haughty flicker]

i still want to know if the last boss has a special crab model

[royal lantern]

ypu dont have arachnophobia

[novel star]

arachnophobia mode is the best

[noble pagoda]

i do not

[raven egret]

They sell a toy for kej, same as the corgi glasses but turns everything into spiders. And those spiders work with arachnophobia mode

[noble pagoda]

im slightly scared of them but spiders are kinda cute

[royal lantern]

the amount of people that think they have a frking phobia because they dont like spiders is mindblowing

thats not what arachnophobia is

[noble pagoda]

and I always put them in a glass and somewhere else in the house

spider killers are not welcome here 😤

[raven egret]

Jump Jump the jumping spider pet is insanely cute

[haughty flicker]

i dont care about spiders as long as they dont jump scare me

[noble pagoda]

if you think about it

spiders are the original ass rogues

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080572530554835072/1280070344778059827/1.png?ex=66d6bde8&is=66d56c68&hm=c049710697436a6ea6afa10be51b706d6f5ccae88338a029944721fd1bc9cf7d&

[noble pagoda]

they stealth and use poisons

[royal lantern]

::3

[novel star]

spiders are okay until they’re in my room

then they have to die instantly

no matter the cost

[noble pagoda]

they‘re okay there too if they‘re on the ceiling

no dont kill them :(

[robust river]

Spiders kill flies, and flies are actually annoying.

[raven egret]

How can anyoen not love this thing!!

[novel star]

on the ceiling is the worst

cause what if they start climbing down a web

[granite leaf]

Bobbins or whatever his name is

Little dood

[noble pagoda]

put a glass on them and then a paper underneath

and put them outside or something

but dont kill them pls :(

[novel star]

i’ve had one come down on a web right in front of my face and land on my desk

ptsd

[noble pagoda]

omg same but it was a small one it was kinda cute

[novel star]

awful

[noble pagoda]

but i was also scared a bit

[whole sand]

i've had one fall on top of me from the ceiling it was not great

[noble pagoda]

i wish I could just talk to them

so we could establish some healthy boundaries

[raven egret]

But yeah idk for all of you, but I felt at home in azjkahet as a rogue. We belong there

[whole sand]

its my favourite zone of the expansion

[novel star]

i think spiders are cool

i just don’t like any bug being in my space

or any not bug either

but i can appreciate a cool ass spider from a distance

[novel star]

samez

[normal mist]

True and real

[novel star]

i want to love the kobold zone but it’s just kinda forgettable by comparison

[whole sand]

kinda feel bad for all the kobold murdering we've been doing for 20 years

those guys had it rough

[novel star]

they’re so cute

i love the little guy in dornogal

[granite leaf]

We took too many candle 😦

[novel star]

next to rep vendor

[granite leaf]

Skitters is best boi though

[normal mist]

Fun fact about dorngal:

• valeera and Milhouse are playing hearthstone and loser takes of a piece of clothing. (Or at least that's what one assumes).

[granite leaf]

[normal mist]

There's a special small refuge for some of our rogue npcs

[royal lantern]

and MAGES get a special interaction

because ofc they do

[normal mist]

Which one?

[royal lantern]

they get a polymorph scroll from valeera

[normal mist]

Wait what

[royal lantern]

🙂

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[royal lantern]

members of the ROGUE class hall

and mage gets stuff

[granite leaf]

Why is that gif such high rez and fps?

[royal lantern]

in case you need a reminder who the protagonist of the game is

[normal mist]

Idk but I love it

Can be used in this channel like 50 times a day

[novel star]

why doesn’t rogue get any cool glyphs :/

[grim jay]

The covenant glyphs are cool

[raven egret]

Cool-adjacent maybe

[grim jay]

Because otherwise those skills have even less particles

[raven egret]

Ok, fair point 😂

[granite leaf]

Hey, pickpocket glyph is bis

[novel star]

does sbs even have a glyph

[granite leaf]

I spent the entirety of city of threads as a crypt lord and my party sky mirrored it so we were all huge crab dudes

[haughty flicker]

sbs never got its appearance changed

[novel star]

and the other spell is reprimand which my ass is never using while fatebound is only like 3% worse or whatever

[ashen rover]

I love disguise glyph, always take the appearance of a random raid boss and get everyone confused

[novel star]

i just feel swagless after maining dh in df

custom wings.. custom fire

[raven egret]

The whole glyph system needs a serious overhaul

[grim jay]

Er is so easy to use, it doesnt even warrant taking a 0.2% less

[novel star]

it’s easy to use but i find it unsatisfying personally and i play the game 2 have fun

[raven egret]

Where's my glyph of "make crimson tempest explode ennemies into blood showers"

[novel star]

make crimson tempest green

and envenom red

that’s some real shit

[grim jay]

But fatebound is satisfying?

[novel star]

assassination rogue fundamentals are satisfying

not adding any buttons doesn’t add a satisfying button but it also doesn’t add an unsatisfying one

it just remains baseline satisfying

adding ER adds a button that is unsatisfying (for me)

[raven egret]

As bugged as DS is, and as convoluted some of it can be, I still, and will always, hate the Coin infinitely more

[novel star]

coin is kinda lame but it’s funny on the charts sometimes lol

i don’t hate the pirate theme

i just hate outlaw because of its rotation

and bfa trauma

[raven egret]

Friend, fatebound is having us shit coins throughout a fight. We shit cosmic coins.

[unborn oasis]

Whats convoluted about DS? I havent tried it yet

[granite leaf]

#bringbackcombat

[raven egret]

The unintuitive ambush from stealth trigger mainly. Not a show stopper, just stupid

[rotund oak]

deastalkers mark,there isnt anything else practically

[novel star]

forcing 7 point envenoms is weirdge

[rotund oak]

besides clearing the witnesses

[novel star]

and fok single target if you don’t have vv yeah

[raven egret]

Yeah the above points as well

[unborn oasis]

Oh right, yeah i guess that cna add some annoyance

[raven egret]

I always forget clear the witness is a thing we have to deal with in ST XD

[novel star]

personally i think the fan thing is pretty cool

[rotund oak]

well if u cant trigger the capstone with ER

it feels very

[novel star]

but i’m a freak

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

not a freak,but u should ask for help

[grim jay]

Its so odd to me that people really get hung up on something so infinitely trivial

[rotund oak]

[raven egret]

I don't know what the issue is with being critical of this. Its a stupid trigger for Sin, but just voicing concerns over it shouldn't be labeled as being hung up on it, DS is far from being a perfect tree

So yeah voicing opinions about it's issues should be a thing

[midnight mist]

It's not trivial tho

Whenever you lose it you need vanish to reapply

Or a restealth

[novel star]

ds def has its moments of being really satisfying in a way fb kinda cant due to the simplicity but

[grim jay]

Just dont lose it like a dumbo

[midnight mist]

Sub just apply it on cd if it want to

[midnight mist]

Ok but that's silly tho?

And sometimes you just lose it

Like say I go down in nw

Last boss

I probably lose it right

[novel star]

except it’s bugged to fuck lol

[midnight mist]

Idk I don't play sin

But ye

[grim jay]

Just have a mark up

[novel star]

you can do the 7 point envenom and just not get the mark reapplication sometimes

[midnight mist]

Mark this buddy

[grim jay]

Thats a known "you played wrong" moment

[unique kettle]

i mean surely we fix the echoing reprimend bug before the raid comes out right

[novel star]

usually when mobs are giga close to death but it can happen in other situations that i don’t understand

[midnight mist]

Just make it apply with garotte so it's not mega stupid design

[grim jay]

I would fam, I would

[midnight mist]

Lol

Like you think about it more than 5 min

And you realize that linking it to ambush from stealth

For assa

Makes 0 sense

[royal lantern]

yep

[midnight mist]

So just don't

Ez as that

[grim jay]

Linking it to anything specific doesnt make sense if you think about it for 7 mins

Could just make it generators

Done

[novel star]

dn just gets scammed sometimes for unknown reasons tho

[midnight mist]

Ye they could lol

[novel star]

it’s not only the mob death thing

[midnight mist]

I think it's fine if they want specific generators to apply it

[novel star]

there’s a lot of different bugs lol

[midnight mist]

But a generator that you can't even press if you don't have vanish is weird

[royal lantern]

i say it 10000 times

the shity trees are supposed to link 2 specs togheter

why is it not RUPTURE when assa and sub both use it, and rupture is literally a ability you use in targets you wanna focus on

[midnight mist]

While sub just dance

[royal lantern]

dont tell him that

its all "skill issue"

[midnight mist]

Anyway I don't even know why I'm arguing about sin stuffs I hate sin

And I have bigger fights to fight for

Cya noobs

[unique kettle]

gl soldier

[grim jay]

You either overkilled a target and wasted damage to let DN disappear
Or you opened with ambush while you had DN up, which is a wrong play, and didnt adjust afterwards so you finished the last Mark with your dn envenom that you shouldve used in the first place

[midnight mist]

(acro)

[royal lantern]

common, quake is allright in bed

[novel star]

goodbye fellowship enjoyer

[midnight mist]

Yo that's me

[novel star]

can you just stop talking

so confidently

when you don’t know what ur on about

[grim jay]

New people getting kinda hilarious

Its ok brother

[novel star]

literally was watching whispyr do heroics on stream a few days ago and a 7 point envenom did absolutely nothing with dn up on a 60%hp mob

you are annoying

stop being annoying

[royal lantern]

uhm, you see, skill issue something something

[grim jay]

Sorry you get annoyed by people not sharing your narrative

[raven egret]

Sigh our hero talents need help, that's not far reaching, but let's all stay friends and civil rogues!

[grim jay]

Might wanna grow up a bit

[robust river]

Does the ambush proc (blindside) you can get apply DM? I assume so?

[novel star]

it’s not a narrative it’s reality lmao

[raven egret]

Nope

[grim jay]

No

Bcs its not from stealth

[robust river]

Oh

[novel star]

nah

[robust river]

Well that sucks 😄

[rotund oak]

by absolutely nothing wdym exactly

like no dmg

[granite leaf]

Yeah that "from stealth" bit is annoying 😄

[novel star]

no mark application

[orchid cedar]

the tree is extremely clunky for no reason to be honest

[rotund oak]

.. its a bug it happens

[novel star]

it still did damage it just consumed dn and didn’t reapply the mark

[rotund oak]

sometimes

[midnight mist]

Why play sin when outlaw sim better ?? Kinda weird guys, kinda weird

I will be waiting you in the proper channel #outlaw , don't wait and miss the train ! !

Gun tier pew pew

[novel star]

yeah i know!

[crisp shard]

Linking it to anything other than Ambush would feel awful if you think about it more than a sec

[granite leaf]

Yeah DN is buggy af

[orchid cedar]

if something goes wrong you can only apply the mark with vanish

that's terrible design

[novel star]

but this guy wants to argue with me that it’s a skill issue

[tawny pawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

for whatever reason

[raven egret]

Arnt you all still mourning acro?

[granite leaf]

Because outlaw is snore

😴

[midnight mist]

I can mourn acro and do more damage than sin

Ezz

[granite leaf]

Give me combat back and I'll smash

[midnight mist]

Sin

[fallen arch]

Go away pirate

[novel star]

there are a lot of issues with the mark that are skill issues it’s true

but there’s also some that are not

[little tulip]

bro

[granite leaf]

I'm a sub enjoyer

[novel star]

it’s just scuffed rn

[raven egret]

Them are fighting word for a random dice lover

[orchid cedar]

as i said before, DN should reset itself if you kill the target with the buff up

[midnight mist]

Mods are sleeping I'm just trying to convert some people to the true and right spec !!

[little tulip]

[novel star]

outlaw stinks

[granite leaf]

Arcane mage?

[rotund oak]

there might be other reasons but each occasion might be different,u cant generalize from whispyr's stream either and project it to be the same as you.Ive trained deathstalker alot on beta and now i tend to believe that DN capstone trigger is more of a misplay of our part rather than being only bugs

[royal lantern]

what

[fallen arch]

Ghe true and right memespec

[royal lantern]

why

[midnight mist]

You misstyped outlaw stonks !!

[grim jay]

Idk first time it would actually be the case, even the other guy just missplayed and there is a known case how that happens which still relates to an oopsie, but im asking Whispyr rq

[robust river]

I link to you Katarie's comment on why Sin > Outlaw @midnight mist

[novel star]

i never said it’s exclusively one or the other

[astral plover]

Sub ST Sin Aoe

[rotund oak]

yeah im just pointing out the obvious

[astral plover]

Trust

[grim jay]

Its usually happening if you ambush while DN is running

[novel star]

the majority of the bugs can be played around but there are still issues not understood afaik

[crisp shard]

Would fuck up your mark anytime you wanna use vanish mid fight

[raven egret]

Sin ST Sin AoE

EZ

[rotund oak]

yeah thats the majority of the cases

[raven egret]

Wut?

[novel star]

sub is even lamer than outlaw

[midnight mist]

Why worry about silly ambush issues when you can just play outlaw and never press ambush! What other spec can do that ?!

[haughty flicker]

arcane mage

[rotund oak]

💀 this is a bad take

[novel star]

fatebound sin

[midnight mist]

Bro forgot about blindside

[grim jay]

But you should not talk about it, because someone will get real angry

[novel star]

raids aren’t real

[raven egret]

If only your abilities would reach... If only

[grim jay]

[novel star]

m+ is the only real game

[robust river]

I heard Outlaw is for people that wanted to play Warrior but couldn't read when picking a class.

[midnight mist]

If my abilities can't reach, yours can't either bozo

[tawny pawn]

bro this discord is spicy today

[grim jay]

Fatebound sin?

[royal lantern]

why should it

[novel star]

i’m just getting ready for bedge

[short sedge]

Hidden opportunity?

[midnight mist]

You are the second person telling me that and forgetting blindside is a thing , wtf !

[novel star]

we were talking about cool spiders and lobsters like 15 minutes ago

[midnight mist]

Play kir !

[noble pagoda]

remember what they took from us

[grim jay]

Always is if there are people picking up the spec

[raven egret]

Crimson Tempest is our our Lord and Savior, it reaches!

[short sedge]

I like HO better tyvm

[novel star]

new acro is literally so much better

[royal lantern]

outlaw? the guys that screamed in DF S1/2 that using sinester strike is a warcrime and spamming ambush is the best gameplay ever and totally different?

[raven egret]

The Church of CT is real! Praise CT!

[grim jay]

Can just not play blindside!

[noble pagoda]

i liked having long range :(

[novel star]

new acro is like a real talent

[crisp shard]

Because if its applied on garrote like some ppl are arguing for, you cant vanish garrote without having mark being reset or moved target

[noble pagoda]

will trade dps for range

[midnight mist]

Wasn't me

[short sedge]

Range is more uptime is more dps

[royal lantern]

buddy, the mark doesnt get re-applued

[raven egret]

Range is a crutch

[rotund oak]

Old acro was a million times better than the current one

[royal lantern]

otherwhise sub literally could not play the tree lol

[haughty flicker]

keyboards are a crutch

i play with controller

ez

[crisp shard]

Buddy it does in aoe....

[royal lantern]

?????

[robust river]

If it's already on a target it doesn't move is what he's saying.

[royal lantern]

do you know how the mark works

like, at all

[raven egret]

Gigabrain plan, genius

[royal lantern]

serious question

[tawny pawn]

for assa ST isnt it better to play fatebound sin just for less complex gameplay same results?

[grim jay]

Many seemingly dont

[royal lantern]

there is 1mark max

1

you cant apply new ones

[crisp shard]

and if you have a mark on a target and vanish ambush a different target

[novel star]

deathstalker is better in raid too

[robust river]

It's completely viable. like a 2-3% dps loss last I saw but I don't do the math myself 😄

[robust river]

Then it stays on the original target

[rotund oak]

its the wisest choice for now,for sure and deathstalker although slightly better in numbers all ''variants'' are within 2% so u can pick both comfort and the numbers at the same time

[raven egret]

Exact Sims will keep changing all the way into raid weeks, but so far so close

[crisp shard]

Ok then it works different than i thought

[tawny pawn]

is it? dam i on the !fuu sims they run about the same , but fatebound has less error chance

[noble pagoda]

deathstalker is cooler though and you will lose style points going coin flipper

just fyi

[grim jay]

Based

[novel star]

i think the coin is alright..

[crisp shard]

Now ppl are claiming 2 different things

[haughty flicker]

you dont lose style points because you cant see the coins anyway

[robust river]

I'm pretty sure that's how it works but I'm not in game to confirm right now 🤣 Got me doubting myself

[noble pagoda]

ok coin flipper

[tawny pawn]

you got a point

[novel star]

yeah you can!

[raven egret]

Truth, right here

[novel star]

the coins land on the ground and glow a little

lol

[noble pagoda]

hahaha

[crisp shard]

Im in game and my mark works different to yours

[tawny pawn]

calling someone coin flipper is crazy 💀

disgrace to his family

[grim jay]

There are worse names

[rotund oak]

this is legit madness man

what am i reading

[crisp shard]

Ye idk

My char is bugged i guess

[robust river]

Oh my bad if so, I was told that's how it worked but never checked myself 😅

[royal lantern]

1 guy defending a shit mechanic like crazy for some reason and 20others that dont know how it works but explain why changes on it would be bad, its so weird

[raven egret]

I mean none of this change the fact that ambush from stealth is a dumb trigger for sin

[grim jay]

Literally the question of the last week. People claim so much stuff and get toxic if its wrong

[tawny pawn]

bro chose violence today

[noble pagoda]

i wish we wouldn‘t have to in aoe :(

[rotund oak]

yeah its like i see no sin rogues in this channel anymore,whats happening

[novel star]

can we talk about cool bugs and sexy feet again

[noble pagoda]

all non ass rogues out of this channel

[novel star]

this arguing is not very relaxing and i wanna sleep

[robust river]

To clarify, if I Ambush Target A and apply Mark. Then Vanish, and Ambush Target B. Does mark move to B?

[novel star]

pls

[haughty flicker]

yes

[crisp shard]

Yes

[royal lantern]

high overall dmg made hype made people appear, the reality when assa ST dmg is not good at all and they notice that will make them run away again

[robust river]

Oh ok, sweet. I was told it locked on and didn't move 😄

[crisp shard]

And I would rather have a choice to apply it when vanishing versus being forced to

[royal lantern]

why would you vanish

[grim jay]

Ima punch you real hard if you keep sassing
(on your mouth)
(with my lips)

[royal lantern]

for nonreason

[noble pagoda]

holy

[royal lantern]

like, vanish is a major cd lol

you vanish cus you wanna slam 1guy with deathmark+kingsbane down

[rotund oak]

its two more weeks until we settle down and dissect sin to the molecules and cook a new tech

[meager echo]

the problem for me with deathstalker is spread garrote and rupture, even with macroover because the melee range sametimes f... me hehehe. So I lost dps trying apply dot and cant focus dps at mark target. Im thinking to try fatebound because this.

[novel star]

they should nerf deathstalker because it’s cringe

[raven egret]

How long before we get our mid-expansion update?

[noble pagoda]

ur cringe wth

[grim jay]

Theres already new tech not released yet, can confirm you that its not cool

[novel star]

sorry :c

[grim jay]

Just had a chat earlier

[rotund oak]

am i missing something

[noble pagoda]

it‘s ok

[rotund oak]

idk but sin buffs for sure

[grim jay]

Not yet and if ever, you wish you would

[noble pagoda]

you can flip a few coins as a treat

[tawny pawn]

i just want to apply garrote rupt and envenom and top dps boys