fair enough yea its just feels shit anyway
#assassination
novel star
normal mist
They should fix bugs
thin gate
+1
normal mist
Bro
novel star
but thats just my opinion go ahead and cancel me
thin gate
remove ER, replace it with sepsis.
normal mist
?
novel star
sepsis is a lame spell
normal mist
Boring you mean
waxen oyster
it is
thin gate
it feels so wrong
novel star
sepsis has a great icon and furry faction is based but the spell was boring
novel star
they should make deathmark like vendetta xD
deathmark is a 10x more interesting cd
than vendetta was
normal mist
?
balmy condor
what about the global
normal mist
You mean being on gcd?
thin gate
time is money
novel star
i should do infinite damage because of my apm
normal mist
Tbf I did like it better when it was not on gcd
thin gate
see.
normal mist
It has nothing to do with vendetta or deathmark
Most classes saw that happen to them as well
thin gate
i mean combust, wings, avatar ect
balmy condor
homogenize all the specs!
waxen oyster
you kind of did in nathria
thin gate
dont remind me of that
normal mist
Rival being way higher that heroic
thin gate
i could swear, my assa deals more damage when i spamm my mutilate
normal mist
Damn
thin gate
spamm button = more dps
waxen oyster
make every spec fast
the funny thing is they made sub and outlaw very similar from sl s3 to df s2
high uptime cdr specs
with a flat damage profile
thin gate
maybe we just need haste corruptions back xD
normal mist
So you can spam mutilate even harder
normal mist
Tentacles
waxen oyster
with reaping flame major
thin gate
i loved that meme build with the necklace, where u went for random vendetta procs
and it did that bombing
balmy condor
based nessper
autumn matrix
is siphoning stillettto worth it?
lunar sonnet
is there a limit to how many times atrophic will stack?
thin gate
is restealth now more important in m+ than be4?
spice surge
Not really
balmy condor
is siphoning stillettto worth it?
no
balmy condor
is there a limit to how many times atrophic will stack?
no
pulsar elk
so my main goal in aoe for my bleeds is 6 rapture and 6 garrots?
balmy condor
5 ruptures + garrote on many target, as many garrotes from stealth as you have targets
more bleeds if you need more energy
maintain ct
slam caustic target with cds + envenom
cerulean nest
oh was my talent import wrong?
balmy condor
no there's just like a billion talent combos
vale shore
Unless it has shadowheart, our BAE
balmy condor
have to sim them in a combinator
cerulean nest
what the christ is that
wraith nexus
Echoing still bugged for DS ye?
balmy condor
this button
balmy condor
Echoing still bugged for DS ye?
no pin saying it's fixed
drifting cloud
what the christ is that
wep enchants might be most of that difference
cerulean nest
yeah I see that, but didnt know about combinator
I just took the build from the pins
wraith nexus
True, my b.
balmy condor
I can't put up a single build right now
cause dependent on gear
that talent build changes
it's so doomed
bis for example takes dashing instead of blindside
pulsar elk
keep slice and dice up even in aoe? also, how important is it to have improved garrot for death mark? With the bug is it just best to run fatebound in the meantime
balmy condor
keep slice and dice up even in aoe? also, how important is it to have improved g...
envenom does slice and dice automatically, pretty important for single target damage, sure
!hero
prisma monolithBOT
Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons
cerulean nest
I can't put up a single build right now
so I literally just check that box and nothing else? or do I need to like check all of the possible talents too
balmy condor
I ran this
you have to give it a base tree
and block stuff
and then it'll just run whatever combinations it can
cerulean nest
oh wow
coral agate
Dumb question I'm sure has been asked but I'm just having a hard time finding the direct answer. When I consume ER for an Envenom, that's NOT triggering Darkest Night, right?
balmy condor
I've see it want blindside, dashing, and ttb all at once, I've also seen any pair combination of the three, arterial, no arterial, imp gar instead of imp poison
like 40 builds
very cool
balmy condor
Dumb question I'm sure has been asked but I'm just having a hard time finding th...
ER doesn't work with anything deathstalker
coral agate
Ohhhh ok
waxen oyster
small indie company
steel parcel
do we maintain crimson tempest on single target?
balmy condor
coral agate
There's bad but that's...impressive
steel parcel
haha ok so how many targets before we strart using CT?
rose sun
So is outlaw outperforming assassination currently?
odd bloom
in m+?
balmy condor
!best
prisma monolithBOT
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.
Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.
You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.
balmy condor
hey guys what enchant shoul i use if i cant find authority of the depths
authority of the radiant
autumn matrix
tysm
hollow talon
is there somewhere i can look to compare the sim #'s of diff specs
balmy condor
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
balmy condor
is there somewhere i can look to compare the sim #'s of diff specs
no
wouldn't even be useful if there were
keen vortex
anyone have a WA to only show Garrote/Rupture on Plater nameplates?
ripe carbon
go buff tracking > turn to manual> add garrote/rupture
keen vortex
oh sick, thanks guys
balmy condor
if you have any scripts loaded, they'd break though
like for example caustic recoloring
if you don't track caustic the scripts don't have access
loud lance
those last assassination tunings were buffs or nerfs overall?
balmy condor
what tunings
loud lance
during this week
crisp pine
Assa got tunings this week?
balmy condor
we didn't have tuning this week
loud lance
i think it was a change on deathstalker
crisp pine
Were they in stealth so I didn't see?
spice surge
There was no tuning changes to assa
loud lance
k
crisp pine
Alright, now to the important questions tho
Are we watching Sonic the Hedgehog 3 boys
novel star
deathstalker has been getting bugfixes every hotfix
but the actual tuning update we are unchanged
yea
pulsar elk
Do we have to have improved garrot up for every deathmark?
timber pawn
is there any indication roughly how far behind Fatebound is compared to deathstalker
balmy condor
!hero
prisma monolithBOT
Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons
timber pawn
yeah the deathstalker juggle feels pretty garbo, I liked where Sin was pre-hero talents so as long as its not significantly behind I think im going FB for the foreseeable future
waxen oyster
It's not alot of extra thought
mystic osprey
Whispyr have you ever slept before
woven torrent
If i used all my cds on my opener including vasnish and tanks pulls the next pack without me beeing able to restealth. How do i spread my gars and rups or am i cooked?
spice surge
You fok and rupture
woven torrent
rupter manually everything? or is there a talent i am overlooking ?
waxen oyster
Yes you have to manually
spice surge
Rupture 5 targets manually yes
woven torrent
ok and gar is not THAT important then ?
is this usually done with a mouse over macro or do i have to raw dog that
spice surge
Bleeds are for energy, once you have enough bleeds out to fill your energy you swap over to envenoms with spatter
timber pawn
majority of your dmg is coming from CT in AoE, I'd get garrote rupture on one target, get CT up, and spread spatter
spice surge
Which is usually ~5 bleeds, but if you have scent of blood specced you definitely always want those 5 ruptures up
waxen oyster
You still want to rupture for energy and scent of blood.
woven torrent
Ok so 5 rup are priority then i swap over to envenom and add garrots in between ? something like that?
balmy condor
Whispyr have you ever slept before
I wish
mystic osprey
Iont think ive ever seen the chat without in it 😭
balmy condor
Ok so 5 rup are priority then i swap over to envenom and add garrots in between ...
garrotes out of stealth are whatever
just maintain it on your main target
balmy condor
Iont think ive ever seen the chat without in it 😭
people regularly don't know what time zone I'm in
mystic osprey
whut timezone are you in bro
balmy condor
what timezone do you think I'm in
mystic osprey
no clue
pulsar elk
I found that to be a problem too, not being able to restealth sometimes
mystic osprey
I'm on the west coast in california
is it like midnight for you nearly
balmy condor
I found that to be a problem too, not being able to restealth sometimes
just spread ruptures and maintain CT you'll be okay
woven torrent
so garrot in generell is whatever - like i should not bother to force it, if im not spreading them indirect - if that makes sense ?
balmy condor
yes
woven torrent
Aye thanks
balmy condor
that must make you like new zealand or australian
mystic osprey
yep
pulsar elk
Im a nub, CT?
balmy condor
crimson tempest
true rapids
what enchant we running till authority of the depths?
balmy condor
radiant
autumn rover
is getting a good burst of haste good for assass?
analog compass
I
balmy condor
is getting a good burst of haste good for assass?
no
autumn rover
was looking at the 2 proc from the bestial patterns
fast olive
is the dps i lose from dumping garrote/rupture into one target for MT opener negligible? versus switching to fresh targets each application. I’m losing track of prio target in bigger pulls.
balmy condor
depends on your definition of negligible and the size of the pack
if you have 5 targets for example, you press garrote twice and no matter what you cast garrote on the second time you'll have all 5 dotted
so it doesn't matter at all if you swap or not
but if you have like 12 targets and gar gar rup rup gar gar
swapping to a new target every time would get you 12 garrotes
while not swapping at all would get you 9
overall I don't think it's really that impactful
and if you're struggling to keep track of your prio and fumbling about
you're probably already losing damage
fast olive
yea that’s what i was worrying about, i start losing uptime looking for my prio target again lol. i think i might be able adjust my nameplate ui to make it a bit easier to track
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
tired gull
you could always focus a prio target, and target your focus
tired gull
i like whispyr's plater
balmy condor
whatever works
novel star
i stole some scripts from the whispyr plater and put it on jundies
jundies so pretty...
balmy condor
whatever works
fast olive
i’ll try your plater, i’ve just been defaulting to quazii, but haven’t put much thought into it
balmy condor
I have all the nameplate colors from quazi
novel star
playing without the caustic hp colour is like impossible
mental vessel
https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa
damn i really like that kick readiness on the castbar
pulsar elk
Is there a WA for me to track my garrots? I have it to where i have my ruptures tracked
novel star
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
novel star
whispyrs weakauras are very good
ive never really used a whole wa pack like that before this expansion but its so worth to learn tbh
woven torrent
@pulsar elk its usually on plater profiles so just get the one from whispr or another one
boreal sparrow
Should your weapons always have crit on them? (kind of new to wow) I'm trying to get slightly more master but I'm curious if crit on weapons is just a lot of value then other pieces to have the crit on. rn I'm sitting 24% Crit and 34% mastery
boreal sparrow
Oh okay that's a huge help thank you
wind falcon
@balmy condor does your plater profile identify the target that has deathstalker's mark in addition to caustic?
balmy condor
yes
wind falcon
what color is deathstalkers mark target?
balmy condor
highlighted with a red border
wind falcon
tyty!
night summit
best wep enchant right now for daggers?
balmy condor
radiant
pulsar elk
Im sure this will rarely happen, after i spread my bleeds in the initial opener. if my bleeds start to fall off before the pack is dead, do i just reup my raptures?
balmy condor
yes
novel star
i thought ds mark made the hp purple on whispyr plater 
wind falcon
deathstalker's mark = purple? ok
balmy condor
ye
wind falcon
dope dope
novel star
deathstalkers mark and deathmark are some very unfortunate names to be fair lol
wind falcon
agreed
pulsar elk
When using the seconds kingsbane without deathmark, does that need the improved garrot?
glass hemlock
its on wago
I am definitely going to do this, that’s a lot of cool utility
balmy condor
When using the seconds kingsbane without deathmark, does that need the improved ...
why or even how would you manage to do that
deathmark is the thing duplicating bleeds
glass hemlock
saves vanish for second KB
balmy condor
kingsbane doesn't interact with bleeds
glass hemlock
😂
pulsar elk
I was just curious, mb
balmy condor
I mean dm is both
balmy condor
copies poisons too that's why it's so strong in combination with kb
spice surge
It copies the weapon poisons that buff kb, not kb itself fwiw
But its still very strong
strange python
I’m gonna be running my first heroics pretty soon.
main blaze
just ran my first heroic and man it felt nice.
May your damage be giga and your tank be not chain pulling.
balmy condor
may your tank chain pull
digital lark
has anyone had the chance to test the diff between Ass and Sub? I like sub just feel like I have no idea what im doing with AoE
reef nacelle
it was chain pulls but it didn't seem to matter
balmy condor
damn right
digital lark
thiking about going ass may be an easier time with AoE situations, or are we just shit at AoE overall?
reef nacelle
i'd say I got a restealth 75% of the time maybe
balmy condor
thiking about going ass may be an easier time with AoE situations, or are we ju...
aoe is what we do atm
our single target aint great
but our aoe is crankin
wanton depot
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
strange python
i tend to hold cds on aoe as in mark/kb so doing betweeen 1-2m aoe then blowing up boss with around 700-1m dmg
digital lark
lol im so lost, have not played retail since WoTLK
turned into a classic andy and was pumping there but now back to retail is a learning curve
strange python
hard when you have 2 wars lolstorming
killing entire packs in 2-3 seconds
usllay average around 800k most dungs
balmy condor
yeh
novel star
evil dps meter theme
reef nacelle
bah i like it, i'm back to using classic UI and it fits in nice
novel star
May your damage be giga and your tank be not chain pulling.
but chain pulling makes your dps higher!
fast olive
when guide says hybrid m+ build starts outscaling bleed at higher keys, is this referring to like +10s or much higher keys?
strange python
id say high keys would start around 12
spice surge
Its not really about the key levels specifically, its how long mobs live
balmy condor
yeh
spice surge
Which is tied to key level, but thats not the only factor
If your group is trash, mobs will live for a while in lower keys too
strange python
my grp will be rockin
novel star
im gonna be doing hella damage to the target dummies while i wait for an invite
iron charm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
novel star
i should just get a guild but im lazy 
cloud basin
i use the hybrid build, i enjoy it
strange python
much easier lol unless ur 600ilvl and 4k io day 1 they wont invite you
novel star
lowkey just dont remember how to even do it
i was in a guild like once ever in 8.3 n i just used the ingame guild finder or whatever but its so ass
strange python
i use the hybrid build, i enjoy it
Same
cloud basin
i guess this season im actually gonna do a good bit of m+ so i can fully upgrade my gearlol
I want that mythic tier set
tall cradle
I'm looking at the opener recommendation, with 1 stack of shiv why are you recommending to use at the start of KB and not at the second half of it when its dmg is higher?
cloud basin
so KB gets the nature damage increase when applied
balmy condor
I'm just unpinning and deleting
tall cradle
balmy condor
it's not beta anymore
tall cradle
balmy condor
the thing is, when some random says that I'm like yeah sure easy
when armin asks
I'm like yo im gonna get cooked
balmy condor
okay so 1: cb + dm edge case
when are you casting the cb
balmy condor
okay well if you didn't use a finisher, the CB takes priority and you lose edge case
it matches the previous flip
silk bane
i see, so CB -> DM means you lose the CB case then right?
balmy condor
no
cb then dm is also the same condition
cb takes priority
and you again lose edge case
silk bane
fascinating... lmfao
okay next
cb and vanish
this shoudl give u 3 matching if you overlap right?
balmy condor
no
silk bane
which one gets eaten?
tall cradle
what's cb?
silk bane
lets say, cb, finish, vanish finish finish
balmy condor
double jeopardy is 1 additional, your next flip flips twice
so if you have an overlap
oh that's what you mean
yes
that works
balmy condor
what's cb?
cold blood
if you cb finish vanish finish
you consume both cb charges
and the dj flip is 2
matching the previous
so 3 in a row
silk bane
that works
right! so cb finish vanish finish finish gives me 3? okay good good now we are getting there.
balmy condor
yes
silk bane
okay perfect thank you! this makes sense why you made what you did with the apl
the cast sequence is just tehn DM -> finish cb finish vanish finish finish r
tall cradle
well from my lill practice sessions, I push for my lucky coin by going to 3 coins, vanish to 5 then cold blood to 7
balmy condor
the cast sequence is just tehn DM -> finish cb finish vanish finish finish r
correct
you have to dm finish
to proc the edge case
then you can cb/vanish however you like
and match the edge
so dm fin cb van fin
would be 1-1, 3-3
and then you still have a stack of cb left
so you go 4-4
hasty gate
what happened to the threads
silk bane
yeah that makes sense, I thought DM itself flips a coin, I litealrly tested fatebound on beta for like 15 minutes, did 3 5 min pulls, didnt get capstone on 2 of them decided id just quit the tier if this thigns meta
balmy condor
deleted
hasty gate
rekt i was practing the rotation off there is it posted somewhere else
balmy condor
literally any guide
tall cradle
Wait I thought you guys wanted to proc the capstone, but is it more worth it to stack both buffs?
at the opener atleast
balmy condor
Wait I thought you guys wanted to proc the capstone, but is it more worth it to ...
it's both
silk bane
okay, so in this case, where we manually CB, we simply dont use CB if DM is up in < 45 right?
balmy condor
okay, so in this case, where we manually CB, we simply dont use CB if DM is up i...
no cause that loses casts
you'd hold forever
it's I think 20 in the apl
we line it up in the opener but it's kinda rough trying to line up after that
silk bane
interesting, actually, is it even a gain to do 20 if you already have the capstone?
tall cradle
it's both
Consdiering you're at the 4-4
now you lost all your guarantees to cheat the rng, next 3 rolls to 7 are up to chance, or am i missing something.
balmy condor
Consdiering you're at the 4-4
now you lost all your guarantees to cheat the rng,...
you're missing that they're independent events and probabilities are calculated one by one
like lets say you flip 5x
and then vanish to 7
you still had to get 5 flips "correct"
in a row
if you start with the vanish
you start at 2
so you still need 5 "correct" flips
if you flip 3, vanish, you're at 5, now you still need 2 more
so still a total of 5 "correct" flips
if you're at 4-4, you're 3 away regardless of your flip
tall cradle
I'm making ooga booga sounds right now
tall cradle
and then enxt is 0-1
silk bane
thank you whispyr! this all amde sense
balmy condor
but on average you're just as likely to get to 5 and then vanish flip to 7
as you are to get to 2, vanish flip to 4, and then get to 7
you're shortening the chain from 7 to 5 regardless of when you cast vanish
tall cradle
Ah I see
balmy condor
like you could technically write any chain of flips, infinitely long
strange python
Hi
balmy condor
you're doing an infinite amount of flips
so it's irrelevant where the vanish occurs
you need 5 correct in a row
there's caveats and such
but we're not in infinite time
we're in opener
and in opener you're actively holding cds waiting for your time to get to 5 and then force 7
and holding cds is bad
tall cradle
I wouldn't hold ofc but
if I see in my Opener I'm at 3, It's a guarantee 7 from that point onward with vanish and CB
but yea thanks for the explanation
balmy condor
if I see in my Opener I'm at 3, It's a guarantee 7 from that point onward with v...
well no
okay
well
if you're at 3 before entering deathmark
then yes
tall cradle
Ahaa I see my confusion now
but hold up, DM is not needed right
3-0, Vanish => 5-0 CB => 7-0
WAAAIT Double jeopardy does not guarantee as the last flip
AHAAAAA
balmy condor
drifting cloud
sounds like something im going to be mildy upset about in a week when I read my talents
bold hearth
Is there a decent resource for which trinkets to go for before season starts?
shy pecan
Hey Whispyr
ripe carbon
wat dagger embelish do u guys use for 590 dagger? be fine without one or should i do it if im gonna do a crafted?
shy pecan
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.
The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.
ripe carbon
darkmoon sigil ascension?
proper tapir
Is there a decent resource for which trinkets to go for before season starts?
Yes, we're glad you asked! You can sim that with the droptimizer in raidbot 🙂
pulsar elk
sim for rogue in m+ is patchwork 5 targets?
proper tapir
sim for rogue in m+ is patchwork 5 targets?
Seems oddly specific, maybe run 1T to 8T and DSlice and compare
timid vortex
hey, read both the icyveins and wowhead rotation guides but have two quick questions, should shiv only ever be used with kingsbane assuming thats talented? and at how many targets does fan of knives beat mutilate or ambush procs?
oh and shiv is always the global before kingsbane and then once more during to refresh right?
balmy condor
hey, read both the icyveins and wowhead rotation guides but have two quick quest...
kingsbane is always talented, but shiv is just good on its own if for some reason you don't have it or are running 1 charge
it's part of our single target rotation
fan is used on 3 or more
shiv if you have 2 charges is always the global before and then when it drops yes
timid vortex
thanks
oh also watching the indepth M+ and raid guides rn thanks for making those they're great
balmy condor
np
ripe carbon
what enchant for weapon? sim it?
balmy condor
depths for single target, radiant for aoe
timid vortex
if you're ever making more for later seasons or expacs i'd suggest putting all the finer details like the caustic spatter stuff at the end of the video rather than throughout just from a "watchability" perspective but otherwise cool stuff
ripe carbon
until i get depths tho?
ripe carbon
sims are working fine to sim what works best for me though right?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
if you're ever making more for later seasons or expacs i'd suggest putting all t...
yeh maybe, I kinda thought the chapters would help more than they do but this is pretty common feedback
to me it feels like I'm jumping around a lot when I structure it that way but maybe I just gotta figure it out idk
pure raptor
Quick question about Sims.
Can me anyone explain why raidbots use Fok on Singletarget Patchwork fight?
Like that
balmy condor
clear the witnesses
plain onyx
wait.. we use FoK on ST as well?
balmy condor
with clear the witnesses and no vicious venoms talented yes
timid vortex
yeh maybe, I kinda thought the chapters would help more than they do but this is...
the chapters definitely help, if you want to keep it structured the same way another idea would just be a quick disclaimer on "this next bit isn't essential to playing the spec but it helps your understanding of it" or something along those lines
balmy condor
yeh
viscid breach
is there no way to force 7th flip apart from maybe being nelf during cb?
balmy condor
I think the real solution is to just not one take it
but that would require me not being lazy
timid vortex
lol
balmy condor
is there no way to force 7th flip apart from maybe being nelf during cb?
there is no way to force the 7th flip even with nelf
viscid breach
there is no way to force the 7th flip even with nelf
can you not stealth out of nelf stelf?
balmy condor
can't stealth during boss fights
viscid breach
oh, m+ works but boss no?
balmy condor
m+ bosses no
but random trash yeah
but on trash in aoe your opener is different so it's even more difficult to try and force something there
like in theory in aoe you could if your 2 ruptures and whatever flip correctly
but you're kinda at the mercy of RNG on that without mean streak
viscid breach
yeah, i'm at 6/4 and gettin annoyed
rotund oak
oh, m+ works but boss no?
in a world of night elves be the human
balmy condor
sounds giga not worth
rotund oak
or the orc
shut tapir
i've been playin death stalker hero taletns for a while, and i just got curious with fate bound talents.
do you guys recommend playing fate talents?
balmy condor
!hero
prisma monolithBOT
Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons
viscid breach
so just rupture out and yolo?
balmy condor
so just rupture out and yolo?
no I mean like stop tracking the capstone and let it happen
just play your normal rotation
viscid breach
o7 ty for help
balmy condor
np
blazing tulip
Is it worth wasting mats to get the alchemy trinket? Currently have sac+shard from heroics
rotund oak
not worth
unborn narwhal
does anyone know if the difficulty from hero to m0 will be considerable? (based on what blizzard said; that m0 will be like the old m10)
thorny pivot
is ther a reason why in the wowhead guide it says to send CB before the envenom that consumes darkest night? doesnt that already guarantee a crit?
balmy condor
is ther a reason why in the wowhead guide it says to send CB before the envenom ...
deathstalker doesn't use cold blood
thorny pivot
echoing rep is bugged so was thinking about using it
thorny pivot
rgr that
arctic tusk
is it 2 teas every DM?
lament yoke
Hi guys waht are the stat prior for assas for M+ and PVP?
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
lament yoke
thank you for this
yeah just looking for general stuff
since im buy stuff from honor gear
balmy condor
is it 2 teas every DM?
usually never I would think
arctic tusk
usually never I would think
so just make sure u have 1 and the other charges are just ot keep envenom up?
all for energy gain not caring about mastery
balmy condor
you only tea if you're in shiv and need energy
arctic tusk
gotcha ty 👍
ripe carbon
so in m+ u open with garrote instad of ambush? how come u dont apply mark?
runic hinge
You can open with ambush 1 time and then the mark will be running
balmy condor
if you need the mark you would ambush
ripe carbon
ok so after mark dies then envenom applies?
mystic osprey
this a long ass video whispyr
balmy condor
ok so after mark dies then envenom applies?
yes
blissful cloak
Hey whispyr i'm using your plater profile and i'm not seeing crimson tempest debuffs. is that by design?
balmy condor
yes
ripe carbon
do u have a timeframe from after the target dies to apply darkest nights mark or is it always there?
runic hinge
30 seconds
ripe carbon
can i make a weak aura for it or something?
or just have to be good and make sure i apply?
ah i see the buff dw
balmy condor
I mean yeah it's just a buff
ripe carbon
so im suppose to re-apply deathstalkers mark asap?
say its consumed and darkest night up, i want my next envenom to be 7 cp and reapply?
balmy condor
yes
ripe carbon
so with the opener, if done right, should the two ruptures consume two stacks and the crimson tempest consumke the 3rd stack?
or is it up to chance
or do u just play how it plays out or what
mystic osprey
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
normal mist
thank you for this
For pvp the stats aren't the same. Check #pvp
mystic osprey
Crimson tempest slaps
balmy condor
It do
balmy condor
when you cast cold blood on fatebound
On cooldown as long as it doesn’t last into deathmark
balmy condor
so with the opener, if done right, should the two ruptures consume two stacks an...
Yeh pretty much
mystic osprey
On cooldown as long as it doesn’t last into deathmark
wdym last into deathmark
urban anvil
Whats the dps difference between deathstalker and fatebound in m+?
And how do i see if i have darkess night active? I have a hard time reapplying the mark in chain pulls cause i dont really know what to look for
manic pebble
And how do i see if i have darkess night active? I have a hard time reapplying t...
Look at your buffs top right
Or get a weakaura
urban anvil
Do I need to get a separate weak aura for that?
I have whispyrs plater and weak aura
mystic osprey
its on whispyrs wa
urban anvil
hm i dont know what to look for then
still getting alittle overwhelmed with just doing rotitation
grim prawn
Where do I get whispyrs weakaura and what does it do
runic hinge
Where do I get whispyrs weakaura and what does it do
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
lavish brook
Should I be pooling energy to prepare for the next KB after the opener? Deathstalker single target
rugged mango
@balmy condor you're a cool guy 
native pine
yo im on the dummies and i am practising and when i stop hitting them they still have SBS, i leave combat and go stealth and within 10 secs if i sit in stealth it just gets me out of stealth. any reason for this or im i just missing something very obvious?
lavish brook
Thanks! If we assume that ER won't give us the DM proc then should we mutilate after ER to get to 5 points before going into our CDs?
lavish brook
yo im on the dummies and i am practising and when i stop hitting them they still...
gotta fly away real far
runic hinge
yo im on the dummies and i am practising and when i stop hitting them they still...
Fly far away
native pine
i don't mind having the SBS on them. im confused why im getting out of stealth for no reason
runic hinge
Sbs on mobs will pull you back in combat
balmy condor
Thanks! If we assume that ER won't give us the DM proc then should we mutilate a...
Er doesn’t give us anything deathstalker
lavish brook
I see that. In the video, you say that we assume that theyll fix it
balmy condor
Yes
lavish brook
so my ER is getting me to like 2 points sometimes
cunning cloak
So do we just ignore ER and just go for 5+ cp, press the button but ignore if I land on 3-4 cp?
cerulean nest
threads being revised?
cunning cloak
Just to help ds buff going
dusk sun
is ER bugged? it feels like its not doing dmg as if 7 points on envenom and doesnt consume darkest night
runic hinge
So do we just ignore ER and just go for 5+ cp, press the button but ignore if I ...
You take 2/2 lethality instead of the resounding clarity point
runic hinge
is ER bugged? it feels like its not doing dmg as if 7 points on envenom and does...
!dn
prisma monolithBOT
Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
lavish brook
Ah, thank you
cerulean nest
have people already put embellishments on their 590 crafts?
or just fully waiting till they use their spark for it
flat sentinel
I’m waiting for spark
loud gull
im waiting for spark aswell
flat sentinel
Plus be told the green light
balmy condor
have people already put embellishments on their 590 crafts?
some people yeah
flat sentinel
I may put some on next reset when I craft more gear but dunno yet lol 😂
Hope they hurry up with tuning so can craft my proper bis
cerulean nest
some people yeah
threads under maintenance btw?
fallow sonnet
where do i get my pre raid bis daggers for asssass?
we arent supposed to use our sparks right?
reef axle
threads
dusk sun
so would it be better to spec out of ER for now due to its bug?
rugged mango
if you're really worried about DS bugs just play FB and vibe
balmy condor
where do i get my pre raid bis daggers for asssass?
heroic dungeons pog
balmy condor
threads under maintenance btw?
deleted cause innacurate and too lazy to fix just read guide or somtehing idk maybe I fix faq at asome point
dusk sun
auction house kekw
balmy condor
sorry for dunk
hidden meadow
Anyone hvaing issues with energy suffocating on Singletarget?
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
cerulean nest
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
hidden meadow
These commands is sick
balmy condor
am I the only erspon that thinks someo ft the sppiders are kinda hot
cerulean nest
go to bed
balmy condor
understandable
steep tendon
anyone had weird issues with last boss of Dawnbreaker just not showing envenom or kingsbane damage in details?
hidden meadow
But you have to break your envenom chain at some point to get to high energy again for Kingsbane right?
zinc frost
am I the only erspon that thinks someo ft the sppiders are kinda hot
I’m listening
rugged mango
you dont really need to pool for KB, thats what tea is for
hidden meadow
So would you save 1 or 2 stacks of tea for your second kingsbane?
balmy condor
I'm supposeid to gotoabed bu twhoo will ansnwer all of these guquestion
I SHALL SEERRVE MY COUNTTNRY WITH DIGNNITYH AND GRACCE
rugged mango
whispyr going hard on the whiteclaws
hidden meadow
fr
balmy condor
But you have to break your envenom chain at some point to get to high energy aga...
no no, just e:envneom for uptime
buff ggoodo
balmy condor
So would you save 1 or 2 stacks of tea for your second kingsbane?
youuu don't "saave" tea charrges, but you onlly use themm if you need enertgy duringn shiv
hidden meadow
This st playstyle is a mystery to me xD
balmy condor
sooo like if you're during dm
you don'tn need eenergy
cause dmm is crazy
whhich then leavees some tea charrges for the kb
balmy condor
whispyr going hard on the whiteclaws
vokda rebbull(*
hidden meadow
Ah i see
normal mist
It's time for bed mister Whispyr
balmy condor
youu gotta crrack a coupopel eggs to makke an omleete mr ryoal
rugged mango
i live in cali i'll tuck him in
normal mist
Yo i love a good omleete
balmy condor
loowkey though iif you play deathstallker foor your world quessting you're a n actual pyschopapath who does that
normal mist
Not me
sharp viper
hot spider BIS list inc?
rugged mango
fatebound for world content is goated, tails damage just deletes mobs on the firs flip half the time
normal mist
Also, Darkmoon Faire started today, go get you free points from the profession quests there.
vague portal
do atropic and dev aura stack?
rugged mango
i never really do darkmoon faire, is it just crafting profs or can you get gathering skill points too
normal mist
i never really do darkmoon faire, is it just crafting profs or can you get gathe...
both
you get both skill points and knowledge points
west cove
will we be using flask of alchemical chaos for both raid and m+?
normal mist
vague portal
do atropic poison and dev aura stack? any one happen to know
normal mist
do atropic poison and dev aura stack? any one happen to know
probably
normal mist
will we be using flask of alchemical chaos for both raid and m+?
It's probably one of the best
west cove
thanks, I read that but wondered if anything else had been added as an alternative as some other classes.
normal mist
You can also just go Vers one for m+ and call it a day
balmy condor
hot spider BIS list inc?
I persoaonlyly am allligned withh the weavver cause goood god
rugged mango
if only i knew how to get to darkmoon faire 
rugged mango
horde
normal mist
go orgrimmar, there's an NPC near the fly path
a troll iirc
she'll send you directly to Mulgore, and you can just jump into the DMF portal from there
vestal wren
hot spider BIS list inc?
there are no sppiders in wow only 🦀 s
rugged mango
my profs?
normal mist
Yes
rugged mango
alch/mining but i only care about mining
normal mist
oh fair enough
Because for LW, you need Classic reagent items like Coarse Thread and Blue Dye to craft the required items for the quest, so i was about to warn you to get those before jumping in hehe
balmy condor
blueueue is a rrrrrreat color
silk bane
I persoaonlyly am allligned withh the weavver cause goood god
bro saw the queens gyatt and folded. understandable tbh.
normal mist
You speak with bosh
normal mist
OH LOL
balmy condor
andn ewhen I'm in ahzjalketh
it saysys to goo to odornoagal
whehere the fuck is thhis mfer
GUNDHERAZ
WHAHAHT THE FUCK
normal mist
/way The Ringing Deeps 47.67 32.93 Machinist Valyka
balmy condor
thiisi fucking qeeust bloows
normal mist
That should help i guess
whole copper
Hello guys
winged quail
Imagine not having every quest complete, this guy does not care about his renown
normal mist
Hello
whole copper
I m returning the gsme! Is assa noce to play and strong?
normal mist
Yes
whole copper
For m+/ raid?
remote wing
hey all, did anyone else started noticing that ER combo points no longer consume marks? I know that the max CP envenom re-application is a known issue, but I think up until now ER combo points spent consumed mark stacks as well and now they're not
normal mist
they never did
whole copper
Any major info i should know?
normal mist
Pins/wowhead guide
balmy condor
Imagine not having every quest complete, this guy does not care about his renown
brooo I am wway too fadeeed ffor this shhhiit I'm mlike delivieriring pickaaxes or =some nnonsenes I have no fuckiing clue
whole copper
Any item i should craft?
whole copper
Ok ok thz
prisma monolithBOT
You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.
The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.
hidden meadow
I figured out what i did wrong on ST, had macroed thistle tea with shiv
hoary remnant
Any item i should craft?
590 pieces with the shit crests
silk bane
brooo I am wway too fadeeed ffor this shhhiit I'm mlike delivieriring pickaaxes ...
ITS PEAK STREAM CONTENT
GET ONLINE
hidden meadow
Made me overlap and run out waaaaay to fast
remote wing
oh okay, for now I was pretty sure they were consuming mark stacks, but maybe I'm just going insane
normal mist
the 4th combo point SOMETIMES consumed it
but it was a weird interaction
It's supposed for all the blue combo points to consume the mark / capstone
remote wing
yeah maybe I got some good/bad rng on it and I saw it procced more and I was just assuming it always did, not sure
silk bane
oh okay, for now I was pretty sure they were consuming mark stacks, but maybe I'...
try 3rd CP (first anima charged, combo point #3) that should work with the marj
winged quail
I just got fucking baked and before I knew it all the quests were gone
remote wing
3rd CP was not consuming today
normal mist
Armin if changed again? xD
silk bane
I think it was always third but ikd its pretty late i too am cooked
normal mist
It was CP - 4 like 2/3 daus ago
normal mist
i have a video on it
remote wing
I didn't get a consume from either the 3rd or 4th today, that's why it started to notice it now
balmy condor
buuut whhho fuckinng knows
silk bane
lmfao
balmy condor
iit's bllizzard
remote wing
because it's consistently doesn't work on either of them for me today
silk bane
did u find bosh
balmy condor
thehhy'll makke a posttt if they fixx it
normal mist
Yeah it's not working as intended
balmy condor
and I'lll makeke a piin whenen they do
silk bane
did u give him the pickaaxes?
balmy condor
and everyonne will be happy
random fossil
Drunk whispyr poggers
remote wing
they're working on it guys
remote wing
I still like it and I don't like the coin flip from fatebound, but yeah, it's just annoying, you are not getting what u expect from button presses
balmy condor
did u find bosh
brooo dude thiiis mfer sennt me too the inn cause hhe had a taab and the innn sent mme to a dudeee who needed tools annnd that dudde senttt me to a blaallacksmitht thttat neeeeded ore, andnnd that guy seent me to a minerr (nott the ddrake kind) thaat couuldnt deal wwwith this angrry ass coooal, and soo I killled the cooal and theen dellivered the tools aaand then cleeared the tabb what the ffucuk am, I doing
normal mist
Yeah thats the quest
balmy condor
fuuucke cup
random fossil
Real
silk bane
nott the ddrake kind 
💀
normal mist
You need an item from guy A, but to get that item you need to help guy B, but to help guy B you need to help guy C
and so on
normal mist
Rip Whispyr
remote wing
o7
remote wing
quit job, start pickpocket ppl, problem solved
hidden meadow
The blue bar on your envenom countdown, does that indicate when you should try to pop you next envenom? Have tried reading through the wago page, but i couldnt find anything about it
balmy condor
Iii think thatslisonnas
silk bane
yeah its LE's
balmy condor
Buttt yeah
Seeems like the blue bar is pandemic
Hollly dude autocorrect is so good
That’s crazy
balmy condor
Jooot even aoitlr
silk bane
LOOK AT HIM GO
balmy condor
Fuck
random fossil
Nooo
rotund marsh
hey guys is ass fun for tww?
jolly heath
in my dummy st sim, sometimes I see it sends envenom at 3 or 4 combo point, why is that?
rotund marsh
thinking about playing it for an alt
balmy condor
Idk if I go next summer depeends on when the wedding iss
rotund marsh
deathstalker looks pretty cool
balmy condor
in my dummy st sim, sometimes I see it sends envenom at 3 or 4 combo point, why ...
Echoing reprimand
jolly heath
oh thank you
balmy condor
hey guys is ass fun for tww?
You’re asking a channel of asssassination rogooues if asssasssimatjon is fun?
Seeems like bias’s no?
rotund marsh
You’re asking a channel of asssassination rogooues if asssasssimatjon is fun?
well i mean they change rogue a bit some people are bound to like or dislike the current state right?
balmy condor
I think thee spec is very fun
hidden meadow
in my dummy st sim, sometimes I see it sends envenom at 3 or 4 combo point, why ...
I was going to play ret, but i can tell you Assa is 10 times more fun
rotund marsh
visually or gameplay wise
balmy condor
Can you do
rotund marsh
cause visually yeah they do seem a bit barebones
random fossil
What whacacmy you do indeed
balmy condor
Booth I gues
random fossil
Idk if I go next summer depeends on when the wedding iss
Ours?
rotund marsh
havent played it but deathstalker seems kinda cool gameplay wise, pure funnel damage for aoe
balmy condor
Noo my wedding with my ggff
normal mist
well i mean they change rogue a bit some people are bound to like or dislike the...
don't mind him he's drunk and about to go to bed
balmy condor
I’m gonna propose this year
rotund marsh
lol
rotund marsh
can i ask a mog related question here?
normal mist
Assa right now is "fun". We play almost the same we did since S3 DF
You can use #transmog for that, these guys are all ugly :c
balmy condor
can i ask a mog related question here?
I heard royal just cummm from like 6000km away
normal mist
xDDD
rotund marsh
lol
rotund marsh
You can use <#226403529894526987> for that, these guys are all ugly :c
no idea how i didnt see that channel
im blind
normal mist
Same actually
rotund marsh
clearly not for me lol
normal mist
I only use my glasses outside the house
random fossil
Noo my wedding with my ggff
Yoooo no way, huge
balmy condor
Same
balmy condor
Yoooo no way, huge
Itlll be 10 years next yeeear
Sooo we gotta do something
Ya know
random fossil
Full send
rotund marsh
is energy management hard currently for ass?
tawny junco
Sooooo, to minmax we playing assa in key and sub in raid?
devout mist
Tea when? 
normal mist
is energy management hard currently for ass?
not really
But you gotta understand that we run out of energy and chill for a while
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
rotund marsh
But you gotta understand that we run out of energy and chill for a while
yeah in s3 i felt like i was doing something wrong all the time but i guess you just have those moments where you dont spam
normal mist
In m+ / multi target scenarios you just have infinite energy
if you keep targets ruptured/garroted
earnest canopy
bro im tripping or what?
normal mist
tripping
earnest canopy
deathmark didnt refresh 2 times in my last fight
like im procing it with full combo getting the 100% crit and then its not refreshing
just gone
royal lantern
i had that happen 2-3 times aswell tbh
normal mist
yeah sure
earnest canopy
i realy dont understand its driving me crazy
royal lantern
where it just whiffs away for no reason
normal mist
Don't let whispyr read this or he'll be drunk AND mad before falling asleep
normal mist
Yeah he just went to bed
rotund marsh
In m+ / multi target scenarios you just have infinite energy
noticed that when i was training on dummies, felt so fun
jade abyss
we play a specific dark moon card ir all of them are garbage D: ?
kindred breach
we play a specific dark moon card ir all of them are garbage D: ?
don't know if its worth the money tbh
If you have time theres good ones in djs
raven panther
it cost less than 1k gold on some server
kindred breach
Oh mb then last time i checked it was like 10-15k
raven panther
depend of the server
on Hyjal the most expensive was 2k when I got mine
btw with warband youshould abuse this system (which is so bad) to buy item cheaper on a specific server then send it on your main
kindred breach
btw with warband youshould abuse this system (which is so bad) to buy item cheap...
ohhh i didn't saw that but your so right
ty pal
jade abyss
depend of the server
my server they are cheap thats why i asking^^
tawny junco
Oh mb then last time i checked it was like 10-15k
I bought 2 of them for 1k each
I guess i was lucky
kindred breach
Yup I also checked like 3-4 days ago so i guess it went down too on mine
verbal flower
did i miss something or did outlaw just pass assasin in damage
verbal flower
anything but sub
earnest canopy
i preffer sub over law tbh
kindred breach
last season i played only outlaw because it was meta
i was suffering
S3 outlaw was so fun to play
Why acro
verbal flower
ye it went very pewpew
earnest canopy
ye it went very pewpew
but the constant need of tracking buffs and procs was just taking out the fun evenatualy for me
its fun at the beggining but it was losing its appeal for me eventualy
but i realy love the hook jump and 3yard extra range
kindred breach
Yup it was one where you needed to be 100% focus at all time very challenging
earnest canopy
wish i had those tools for assassin
kindred breach
wish i had those tools for assassin
dw, they dont have extra range no more too
They just took it away from us. And its hurting very bad for outlaws
earnest canopy
i generaly think that the need to buff rogue range by 1 y
we got used to small the boss ass 24/7
tropic fox
revert acro strikes please
limber lion
Literally doesn't matter
kindred breach
which stats do we prio as DS
better to sim your options it will be more accurate. But its crit=mastery>haste>vers
kindred breach
As a sin i would say most
normal mist
which stats do we prio as DS
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
kindred breach
You obv love crits
raven panther
way less than usuall