assassination

[waxen oyster]

or spreading light yet

[snow kindle]

1 from world quest 3 for rep and 3 for special assignment

maybe only 6 if you didnt have EA

[waxen oyster]

i think i missed one special assignment because wasnt max level during the EA friday one

not sure if that gave a key

[whole sand]

have you put the 7th together from the coffer parts?

[snow kindle]

yes

[whole sand]

ah ok

that makes sense

[waxen oyster]

its 2 wq of parts or 3

to make one

[snow kindle]

4

WQ 25 shards each

100 to make 1

[waxen oyster]

only seen 2 hmm

i assume dornogal theater gives one

was waiting on dmf for that

[thorn crater]

oh guess i have to do those quests i skipped htem so far lol

[snow kindle]

yea if theres any wq to do its those ones for now atleast

[sinful fable]

damn, been thinking of trying assa but looking at guides / videos...man does it seem confusing to play :p used to play alot of outlaw but this is quite soimething. Is it that bad or am I just being scared off?

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

Assa is honestly pretty easy it’s just a lot of interactions and stuff

But if you can maintain a couple bleeds and press envenom you’re like 70-80% of the way there

[burnt yacht]

is the goal for single target damage to just keep up garrote + rupture -> mut spam and envenom?

shiv and kingsbane and mark for burst

i just read your wowhead guide but i think im def missing something

[balmy condor]

Idk bout spam, you want to maintain the envenom buff so you’re gonna wait a bit

But yeah

That’s it

[burnt yacht]

gotcha

and for AoE its garrote as many as possible, rupture for energy/bone proc, mutilate on the caustic target, and otherwise spam fan of knives + crimson?

or is crimson not spammed

just maintain bleed

sorry i just read your wowhead guide but i feel like im doin something wrong LOL

[waxen oyster]

Sounds like you didnt read the guide

If you're not envenoming you're not getting any causic damage

[restive dawn]

maintained, not spammed

[waxen oyster]

CT does 0 instant damage

[burnt yacht]

gotcha, so I need to fill w envenom after those are up

ok

[arctic onyx]

hey guys! quick q
do we just prio crit/mastery on each gear? or we need haste/vers as well ?

[waxen oyster]

you go for ilvl

[arctic onyx]

oh.. what if 590 craft gear for example

[waxen oyster]

would depend on your other slots

thats an ask simc question even if the difference is minor

[arctic onyx]

ok thanks

[mystic osprey]

Ilvl > Crit > Mastery > Haste > Vers

[balmy condor]

you want to spread from stealth, but outside of stealth you're maintaining rupture

non-stealth garrotes kinda blow

[mystic osprey]

yep

[burnt yacht]

yeah, just garrote from stealth with the improved til the timer goes out right?

[arctic onyx]

also do we need to reach some certain cap on haste/vers?

[burnt yacht]

thank you @balmy condor

[arctic onyx]

like if i have only like 3% haste

[balmy condor]

yeh, can see the openers I have linked for that

np

[balmy condor]

hell nah

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

we are item level gamers

all the secondaries are super whatever

[mystic osprey]

blood dk wannabe

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't giga hard stack any particular secondary you're good to go

like if you have 15,000 vers

that's a problem

but if you're like 7k everything

who cares

[arctic onyx]

ooooh got it thanks!

[waxen oyster]

tbh if your spec likes one stat 3000x more than the others

It's probably poorly designed

[balmy condor]

yeh

can see that with outlaw

they buffed the shit out of haste and mastery

[knotty canopy]

Do we need to restealth when using nelf racial or does it give stealth buffs by itself?

[balmy condor]

to avoid outlaw from hard stacking vers

[balmy condor]

need to restealth

[knotty canopy]

Aye ty

[balmy condor]

but you'd use meld for the defensive value most of the time

[waxen oyster]

If you take any damage at all you will lose meld

and not get a restealth

enjoy

[manic pebble]

Pooling feel weird to me since I main outlaw most of the time.

[mystic osprey]

And vers is still the second best stat 😂

Haste > Vers

[manic pebble]

Gotta train myself not to button mash

[mystic osprey]

Hilarious

Mastery still on bottom 💩

[balmy condor]

I mean that's fine, it's not about making vers an awful stat, it's about making all the secondaries okay

like no spec in the game should be AVOIDING stats

[waxen oyster]

legion rogue

[balmy condor]

and blizzard has been keen on removing that from the game

[waxen oyster]

all 3 specs avoided haste

[spice spire]

Have they fixed monk

(This is an actual question I’m a shitter now)

[waxen oyster]

which spec

windwanker probably not and the otps still coasting on copium

[spice spire]

WW being a vers whore I meant

Haste actively bad etc

[cobalt sphinx]

Monk lol

[agile willow]

how does one enable/disable which debuffs are shown above a plate on plater?

[waxen oyster]

they like haste during cds

[balmy condor]

windwalker is probably the best PI target atm

[manic pebble]

Debuff blacklist

[balmy condor]

buff tracking blacklist

[spice spire]

Hell yeah good for them

[agile willow]

awesome, thanks

[balmy condor]

I'm starting to believe in outlaw numbers

holy hell this spec cranks

I have 0 clue what I'm doing, with a mainhand 40 ilvl under my regular dagger, pulling more damage on 5 targets while testing weakauras

and I realized halfway through that I'm using a single target build

what the fuck did they feed this spec

wait trickster isn't even good

💀

yo

they're smoking crack right

this shit is bonkers

[carmine mirage]

Don't say that, another expac of outlaw sounds miserable

[balmy condor]

idk man I'm just kinda smashing my face into my keyboard and it's doing numbers

[spice spire]

Whispyr outlaw

Is an experience

[balmy condor]

I need to fix my weakauras

cause I don't have any trickster support

[spice spire]

Need another painsmith tbh

[bronze pike]

killing sporee "kills you"

thats why trickster is bad

also

"coup gcd is 1.2 seconds"

when the average gcd is .8 or something

also

no "acro"

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna say it

[bronze pike]

spec dead and bad

[balmy condor]

the coup gcd

feels incredible

[bronze pike]

its literally nothing right

[balmy condor]

I notice it

[bronze pike]

you dont feel it at all

[balmy condor]

and I kinda love it

it's a real chunky finisher

I'll be brave

I'll say it

it should be longer

[bronze pike]

this mac and cheese sucks

i regret buying this

[balmy condor]

playing fatebound outlaw makes me want to play trickster outlaw

just for the coup gcd

if nothing else

that's how much I like that thing

[bronze pike]

killing spree gets to much hate

[balmy condor]

holy hell does it feel incredible

[bronze pike]

tho i recognize its issues as a ability

[balmy condor]

fuck killing spree idc bout that

[bronze pike]

but those issues are legit skill ones

[balmy condor]

just give me the coup gcd

[bronze pike]

real

[balmy condor]

you don't get it, I NEED that shit in my life

put that on an envenom

please god

jesus it would be incredible

[waxen oyster]

I feel like arms warrior has something like that

with demolish

[balmy condor]

coup gcd is giving me death from above flashbacks to legion but without jerking me to Timbuktu

take me home

[toxic burrow]

Guild: Let's do heroics together. Yay!
Tank: I'm going to chain pull everything even into the bosses. To hell with our sin rogue and feral druid.

[bronze pike]

like a slightly longer gcd

to make it wroth for envenon to have more power

i agree

again, coup gcd means nothing to me

its literally blah

[waxen oyster]

i mean to me the best part of trickster

is you cant get parried

[bronze pike]

acro loss while yes it sucks, but im used to it cause i play literally every other melee

[balmy condor]

Math: Chain pulling is a huge dps gain and should be done for the good of not only the sin rogue, but also the feral druid and the third dps cause it makes the key faster

Bogsworth: Muh restealth

chain pulling during spiteful weeks in dragonflight

was legit like a 30% dps boost over any other week

shit is bonkers

it's even better now

[toxic burrow]

I would like him to let us stealth for a boss though.

[balmy condor]

eh

that's what you got vanish for

[toxic burrow]

Boooo!

[waxen oyster]

or just play fatebound

[toxic burrow]

It just gets annoying though. We can ask for just a second and he'll still not give a damn as we go into a boss.

[mystic osprey]

Thats what im saying

[spice spire]

Make ur own

[bronze pike]

to late to cook

its 1am

its work mac and chees

[balmy condor]

aight nvm I'm doing 500k more on assa

all is right in the world

real question is what the fuck is this

oh some warrior shit

[snow kindle]

fury warrior

[balmy condor]

why is it on my nameplate

weirdga

whatever

just blacklist I guess

oh is is dispellable maybe

idk

[mystic osprey]

bruh

[balmy condor]

what

[mystic osprey]

just bruh

[balmy condor]

real

[grim jay]

People told me im crazy for not minding it

[twin hull]

any idea when i need to use cold blood? or can i macro it into envenom and forget about it?

[balmy condor]

you want to avoid using it before your first finisher after deathmark

but after that macro is fine

[obtuse frigate]

Noob player. here can anyone explain why deathstalker is better then fatebound for ass rogue :(?

[grim jay]

All comes down to tuning at the end of the day

People play whats stronger

[mystic osprey]

Check threads might explain

[obtuse frigate]

iam reading the wowhead guide. and it says to join this disc.

[rotund oak]

thats a fury debuff

[obtuse frigate]

Can someone direct me to the thread i should read?

[balmy condor]

number higher

that's why better

[grim jay]

Also better defensives

[balmy condor]

plus singular focus in higher content being good

and bait and switch being legit bonkers defensively

[grim jay]

Kinda stupid thats a thing btw

[obtuse frigate]

But deathmark only triggers on ambush from stealth right?

[balmy condor]

and the capstone

[obtuse frigate]

capstone O_O?

[balmy condor]

capstone O_O

"and applies 3 stacks of deathstalker's mark to the target"

[agile wedge]

i dont understand the word either. maybe due to language barrier 😄

but i just took its this talent

[obtuse frigate]

O_O ok sorry i guess i need to read things better

[balmy condor]

high point

like

the end of the tree

the biggest talent?

[agile wedge]

thanks

[obtuse frigate]

I missed the part where it reapplies. Thanks.

[balmy condor]

np

[ripe carbon]

if im crafting 590 gear i should get embellish?

[balmy condor]

if you have money to burn sure

[ripe carbon]

ah

[misty torrent]

Should I use my Weathered Harbringer Crests or sit on them for something else?

[obtuse frigate]

Ah this is a bit off topic.

But for ppl who do herbalism and has played multi expansions.

Do herb prices generally go up when raid comes out or? down?

[balmy condor]

weathered is entirely useless when m+ releases, go ahead and use them

[balmy condor]

they'd typically go up but then crash pretty quickly

after a while they go up towards end of week and down start of week

and then that's kinda the loop forever

[obtuse frigate]

ohhhh ok ok. So i should try sell when raid opens before it crashes

[cunning basin]

sees new pin
not ER fixes
Damn.

[balmy condor]

would try and check on prices like the saturday-monday before raid release

[oak eagle]

how come the stilleto dagger is trash

[balmy condor]

number suck

[oak eagle]

fair

[balmy condor]

it's comparable to ascension, which is a weapon embellishment

except ascension gives more single target damage, scales into aoe cause it's stats, which stilleto doesn't, and doesn't deal damage to you

[oak eagle]

cringe

[balmy condor]

so basically just better in every imaginable way

[cunning basin]

F

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be pretty pissed though if ascension doesn't get nerfed

I've been holding out

cause it's like

[cunning basin]

Is it just me or are the new embellishments just lame as hell? I feel like it coulda been a cool system.

[balmy condor]

so clearly overtuned compared to other embellishments

[oak eagle]

i miss my flavor pocket

[balmy condor]

I mean embellishments are aight I guess

[cunning basin]

It's built into food now

[oak eagle]

oh sick

[balmy condor]

they're not supposed to be super impactful or anything

[cunning basin]

You just gotta make special food

[balmy condor]

but 0.5% per embellishment

feels pretty cringe

[oak eagle]

whats the food called

[cunning basin]

Hearty (insert food name)

[oak eagle]

is it trained by the trainer?

or do i need to buy the recipe

[cunning basin]

Yeah. It's not like I'm asking for something ridiculous like how slimy boots were some ungodly large DPS increase in S2 or whatever but damn like a nice lil 2% or so would be neat

[cunning basin]

That I do not know. I engage with profs as little as possible, I just know that they exist and I will be using them as long as I can buy them on the ah lmao

[whole sand]

just realised that my cold blood/envenom macro didn't save due to a dc almost 2 weeks ago

[limber lion]

So man has been running around not casting Cold Blood once in 2 weeks?

Very based

[rotund oak]

early weeks on each expansion im checking my macros every reset as well

for some reason they stop working so u have to rewrite them

still cant understand why that happens but its a thing

[flat sentinel]

echo does more dmg anyways then cb for me at least

[whole sand]

im only using cold blood for fatebound

[flat sentinel]

ah im playing stalker

[rotund oak]

both are very very good,fatebound jsut has inevitability

which makes CB better

[balmy condor]

yeh you wouldn't play cb on deathstalker

[flat sentinel]

yeah thats fair lol is there much dmg diff between fate and stalker in m0s ?

[balmy condor]

fatebound probably does more

by a couple %

[flat sentinel]

but rng right?

[balmy condor]

but not enough to be like

oh my god need to swap

should be fine regardless

[flat sentinel]

yeah cool

so once we start getting to higher keys will is be similar?

[rotund oak]

no not rly,its pretty steady(fatebound that is)

[whole sand]

the higher the key the more you want deathstalker

[rotund oak]

ye but for defensives

[balmy condor]

fatebound probably more overall forever, but deathstalker just for the prio

yeh defensively as well

deathstalker is super crazy

[obtuse frigate]

I wish rogues had cooler visuals tbh

[flat sentinel]

padding is nice though

[rotund oak]

i like sub's visuals

[obtuse frigate]

No no i mean like

[rotund oak]

also tirckster unseen blade is atrocious

[obtuse frigate]

the additioan talent visual

[rotund oak]

ye ik what u mean

[obtuse frigate]

Like fatebound if they made the coin cooler

maybe like a small animation above your head

[rotund oak]

yup yup

now it flips to the side

on the floor

[obtuse frigate]

instead of just a tiny tiny coin u cant see

imagine if it keeps track ontop of your head.

would be so cool.

[grim jay]

still hope for it being the overall best. classes crafting weapons first always feel better to farm gear on imo

[obtuse frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/toss-coin-flip-gif-26540302

[rotund oak]

they could add some ''aura'' per se like tyrande as a night warrior

but more subtle

that should apply for sblades for sub

and shadow dance

also give sub avatar plz

#thesubdream

[whole sand]

we were sold johnny from guilty gear and what we got was dropping change at the cash register

[grim jay]

wtf

[rotund oak]

Sub WILL HAVE avatar of shadow

thus i will be remembered for calling it first

[grim jay]

should just get bankai and go ichigo mode

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-bleach-anime-bleach-tybw-bankai-ichigo-gif-24178755

[rotund oak]

yes plz

[grim jay]

or that form

https://tenor.com/view/mugetsu-bleach-attack-gif-4926274

[balmy condor]

https://grandislibrary.com/explorers/dual-blade

steal the animations from that

at the bottom

4th/5th/6th job

[limber lion]

Per se is a funny saying because in Finnish perse means ass

[elfin forge]

Have they fixed the animacharged combo points not counting for death mark yet?

[rotund oak]

i cant shoo u again,its too rude just ignore me,u too weak

[earnest tree]

Are we going Cold Blood with deathstalker rn because echoing bug is still a thing or what talents should I run?

[limber lion]

Getsuga Tenshou one shot the boss and then your char gets banned

Sounds good

[balmy condor]

2/2 lethality instead of resounding

[rotund oak]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS!!

[balmy condor]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdHU0MTE0dHZhb3FhbzFxMmNlc2t1dm9paHVtemg3aDlrOXpyODYyMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/twgvrGlycJsOAzE6yD/giphy.gif

based

[limber lion]

I legitimately cannot understand a word you are saying

But it's okay

[whole sand]

maple story makes no fucking sense dude

[grim jay]

that could literally be a decent animation for envenoms/eviscerates on a smaller scale

[balmy condor]

it makes all the sense

huge fucking dopamine numbers

that's the game design

[rotund oak]

Sub rogue pressing sectech after his swifty be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5synmZupIok

[limber lion]

Sounds like it needs a pruning patch

Back to hitting 17's in end game

[slate yew]

is there an up to date bis list?

[balmy condor]

no

[whole sand]

is this all that goes on in the sub channel are you just linking anime clips to each other

[balmy condor]

they had to change the big 6min cooldowns for all the classes in the game cause each line was hitting the damage cap of 900 billion

so instead of like 20 hits of 900 billion

they made it like 200 hits of 90 billion

[limber lion]

Very cool

[spring prawn]

@balmy condor https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?t=3364 how come we dont delay vanish for deathmark?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

cause aoe

[limber lion]

I wish we had big numbers in WoW

[balmy condor]

aoe pog

[whole sand]

i mean we're getting to big numbers again

[balmy condor]

you can hold your vanish for deathmark for like a boss or something that's fine

but you're gonna get a stealth on a boss like 9/10 times anyway

so no real need

[spring prawn]

thanks

[grim jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8queWnGAdM

[rotund oak]

thats firemage,we dont do that

[balmy condor]

did I show you the boss they revamped

[grim jay]

just slap some shadow/poison particles over it

[limber lion]

Hmmm don't think so

[limber lion]

We're also getting a pruning pass in Midnight

[grim jay]

most definitely

[limber lion]

Not most definitely

It has been confirmed

It will happen

[grim jay]

ok sorry nerd

[limber lion]

Np

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZEY2W-6iE

I insta push p1 but last phase is like 3:40 or something

it's mental

literally fighting for my life constantly

fucking insane man

[limber lion]

Wtf is happening on my screen

[balmy condor]

EVERYTHING

[cunning basin]

Big number

Brain happy

[balmy condor]

LEGIT JUST FUCKING EVERYTHING

it's absolute bullet hell

[limber lion]

Doesn't look like the missus does tooooooo much dam, blue orbies doing like 1/3 maybe

[balmy condor]

I went in blind

[limber lion]

Looks really fun though

[balmy condor]

and I was like yo can I get a break

[cunning basin]

If you like big number you'd probably like Warframe gameplay

[balmy condor]

I played warframe for a bit

[cunning basin]

Fire down a hallway, commit mass murder war crimes

[balmy condor]

it was aight

[limber lion]

But then there's like 175 different mechanics on top

[cunning basin]

I love Warframe but there's just too much stuff in the game

And I cba to farm it all

[rotund oak]

lotus looks crazy

[balmy condor]

yeh the thing is that healing has a cd, so like the stuff that doesn't do a lot of damage can still kill you if you don't dodge

some of those are like 40% max hp hits

but if you get hit by 2 and then take an auto during your potion cooldown

well

so there's definitely wiggle room

some of the bigger stuff is just straight 1 shot though

[limber lion]

Yehhhh for sure

[granite leaf]

I remember my mesa gunslinger build for warframe, invincible, deleted anything as soon as it appeared on the screen 😄

[balmy condor]

my alts are crying I used to do that boss weekly on like 8 or 9 characters

[granite leaf]

aimbot op

[cunning basin]

God I love mesa

[limber lion]

Very well paragraphed fight though

[cunning basin]

Saryn is my go to war crime committer tho

Nothing like a bit of chemical warfare to get the dopamine dopamining

[rotund oak]

dual blade slaps it right?

[balmy condor]

not mine

[solid venture]

is this trinket any good ?

[balmy condor]

my dual blade is an absolute rat

[balmy condor]

yeah its aight

[cunning basin]

I think they should give us deathbringer's will

Complete with armor pen

[granite leaf]

Arp is up there vying with multistrike and vers for the most boring stat of all time

[cunning basin]

You didn't like MULTI STRIKE?

[tawny pawn]

Those are the correct poisons right?

[cunning basin]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

and crippling, yes

[tawny pawn]

am i doing it right

[cunning basin]

Multistrike fucked

[granite leaf]

Multistrike was crit but with 2 low numbers instead of a big one

[tawny pawn]

WE CAN USE FOUR?

Bro what game am i playing?

[balmy condor]

well usually it's 1 and 1

[tawny pawn]

am i old?

[balmy condor]

dragon tempered is 2 and 2

[cunning basin]

But it wasn't, it was more numbers on my screen which made my affliction lock very happy

[granite leaf]

😄

I've always suffered from chronic melee brain

Big number make big good

[cunning basin]

Vers does suck tho. Shit stat, I wish they'd have kept multistrike instead of vers

Or made cdr a stat somehow(like the SoO trinkets)

[proven epoch]

hello guys, is there any guide on how to sim my rogue for m+?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[strange python]

As the Nr. 1 Dust hater you should really hate that idea

Dust Sub with cdr as a stat

[runic basin]

is this dagger not a good option?

[proven epoch]

perfect thanks. Is wowhead M+ build a good source :D?

[balmy condor]

Idk the guy that wrote the guide is a giga dumbass

[proven epoch]

lol its you

thanks

[balmy condor]

I said what I said

[teal dome]

@balmy condor watched your 1.5 hour video bud gj, however quick question the wow head guide runs alot of talents you say not to take in the video any reason bud?

[granite leaf]

I suspect the passage of time

[teal dome]

I'm pretty new to assas

It's minor things like double shiv talent etc

[balmy condor]

Just alternatives, hybrid is kinda go to everywhere, bleed is sort of easier to play and better in low end content but a pretty significant single target loss, cleave is a big aoe loss

[cunning basin]

Based

[cunning basin]

I don't hate dust bc it gives cdr, I hate dust bc I don't like the talent

:p

[teal dome]

Ok perfect I looked at hybrid as it was most suggested for m+ so was tryna learn it as that's what I'll be pushing with most likely depending on changes. Also is echoing reprimand worth taking again or swap it out for cold blood?

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is 2/2 Lethality and echoing, fatebound is cold blood

[white kindle]

Hi all. Quick question do you take any Darkmoon trinket atm? 🫣

[balmy condor]

When they fix echoing its 1/2 lethality and resounding clarity

[raven egret]

If it a Ilvl increase, yes.

[white kindle]

Thanks bud

[balmy condor]

Replaced by heroic dung trinkets for the most part

[cunning basin]

Cdr is cool when it's tied to using your kit(anger management, sectech/dance cdr)

[teal dome]

Ok amazing that's where I've went slightly wrong I've echoing but also running resounding and have 1/2 lethal ill change that ty bud

[raven egret]

They are a very good cheap stat stick when just hitting 80 🙂

But that's that

[balmy condor]

Np happy to help

[white kindle]

Got the delv one and the other candle with crit for 15 secs

[cunning basin]

I use em on my fresh 80s to be able to queue for heroic kekw

[raven egret]

I got the bee one, I ride bees now.

[teal dome]

Pretty sure you just want ilvl over anything but you want ideally sac and signet I'm near sure from heroics

[cunning basin]

BEES?!

[balmy condor]

https://youtu.be/GG6H-Btfuww?si=R0neAIRTipmWioih

[granite leaf]

Ok Bmichael

[raven egret]

Michaelb but the b is silent

[balmy condor]

Michael B Jordan but it’s the basketball player

[granite leaf]

It's the old joke of a barista asking for your name "oh it's Mark with a k"
hands cup with "Kmark" written on it

[balmy condor]

I like to scare my baristas a little with a series of tonal shifts and glottal stops

[crimson crest]

if current rogue tuning doesnt change much, sin should be a pretty good choice for m+ when it comes out right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[granite leaf]

This is a gamer move

[spring prawn]

any1 got a CURRENT bis list? capped on valor stones dont wanna upgrade garbage :D

[balmy condor]

And then they just stare at you and you say like “but you can call me Ben”

[balmy condor]

Fuck no with a capital fuck

[raven egret]

That's a meme right, and bait right

[granite leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-generous-god-xerxes-300-youre-welcome-gif-19690831

[spring prawn]

i dont wanna sim shit im replacing on m0 week so just wanna glance over someth rq xD

[balmy condor]

That’s the neat part

You’re replacing everything

[raven egret]

Nono I mean you can't be for real asking this right now

[balmy condor]

[granite leaf]

You can pretty freely slam upgrades into anything, if you want to

[spring prawn]

ooooooooooh im stupid its different track anyways

nvm :>

[rotund oak]

just pick two daggers and two trinkets and upgrade them,it doesnt matter that much,week 1 are all gone

[granite leaf]

Weathered crests will be dead, and valour stones aren't hard to come by

[balmy condor]

M+ releases and everything is kaboom

Refarm all your shit

[granite leaf]

I just wanted pretty purple items

Though I can't get bracers to drop for the life of me

[raven egret]

We get a week of farming replacement for our current shit before moving on to replace the replacement with the real shit

But even so, a bis list

[rotund oak]

if u get 580+ilvl u are good to start the season pretyt much

[granite leaf]

I'm joint 1st and 2nd place in my guild for ilevel

[rotund oak]

im 2nd but thats about to change tonight^^

mfkers aint winning ol' sap

[raven egret]

I mean regardless just spend all your weathered crests, they are useless once S1 starts so might as well pad your stam and AGI while here

[tiny leaf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund oak]

if ppl think that any of the heroic gear actually matters wait till they search the ah for max quality luredrops

[royal lantern]

i love fotm rollers so much

frost dk + assa rogue in that fucking heroic dungeon, i stomp them both on arms and they legit ask "is arms op now?????"

the brainrot is so deep

[round nexus]

i'm fotm assa, but played rogue for years, just not assa

😄

I have no idea if i'm doing well since i haven't touched any other rogue spec so far in tww

[raven egret]

Just looking at the AH right now makes me reconsider my financial plans, full cost of enchanting and whatnot will be the ruin of many

[raven egret]

Its simple, red name is good. Yellow name bad. Welcome to the ass life.

[rotund oak]

yup,ive pushed my professions early,50k gold for a wpn enchant will be rly fun 😉

[raven egret]

Its fckin insane is what it is

[rotund oak]

ive got max rank bismuths and herbs so im just waiting for knowledge to start crafting my flasks and pots

[round nexus]

My overalls are usually like this, is this okay?

[royal lantern]

there not beeing ANY way to get green enchant mats on a reasonable manner is insane

[rotund oak]

its not outlaw channel here buddy

[royal lantern]

why did they remove the material downgrade for enchanting

[rotund oak]

and yes they are

[raven egret]

If it turns out the embellish dagger is good for us, we'll have to hunt the one BSM around that not only GOT the pattern but is also fully short blade specced

[rotund oak]

yup

[royal lantern]

if you are EU and silvermoon, i know a guy ;P

[granite leaf]

Silvermoon gang

[raven egret]

US and Stormrage. I am screwed 😂

[rotund oak]

Ravencrest gang

but im a stormscaler

[round nexus]

I'm playing assa.. 🙂 or are you guys just messing with me for having a yellow name 😄

[raven egret]

I wouldn't mind the dagger being good, but even if you know a guy; he has to get the drop from the raid doesn't he

[royal lantern]

nah, its because sending dungeon overall dmg is a bigtime #outlaw thing

[rotund oak]

Its just that most outlaws here come and flex their details,thats not rly a thing for sin,we very rarely do it here

it doesnt matter

[granite leaf]

Then post your lasher damage

[rotund oak]

no one needs an ego boost

[round nexus]

It wasn't a flex

It was a question

I honestly have no idea

[granite leaf]

1 mill is fine, yeah

[rotund oak]

u can ask for an average then

coz excuses exist as well

(sry for being offensive)

[raven egret]

Hey I isolated my DPS meters only on the abominations, they were nice and respectful out our burst needing them to live for the full duration

[granite leaf]

As a ret main, I am very ethical with aoe

[royal lantern]

when there are less then 3 targets, divine storm should be forcefull removed from every paladins skillbar

[raven egret]

I miss you, my dearest KB target~ ❤️

[spring prawn]

which crests do we use for m0 upgrades?

[normal lotus]

Carved?

[spring prawn]

thanks

[normal lotus]

Just shut down wow so likely wrong

[raven egret]

M0 are just veteran, they would use weathered for 1-4 carved for 5-8.

However, carved are used for Champion 1-4 which will be normal raid

So don't waste those

[spring prawn]

thank you!

[raven egret]

Well correction to be clear

M0 start at 4/8 veteran so technically, no weathered crests at all

[spring prawn]

ah bet, so i can just craft every 590 piece cuz why not

[granite leaf]

When does M+ start?

Mythic week?

[spring prawn]

yea

[granite leaf]

Aight

[raven egret]

1 week of only M0, normal+heroic raid

And world boss for the lols

[acoustic roost]

D E L V E S

[granite leaf]

Oh truuue

The real content

[rotund oak]

[acoustic roost]

i'm pretty sure the +8s are available and you can spend the keys finally

[rotund oak]

i want the mushroom hat

[granite leaf]

Me want candle

Me be new candle king

[raven egret]

I mean delves cap at Champion gear, same as normal raid

Heroic in vault

[rotund oak]

yup its kinda okayge to fish a wpn

[raven egret]

So yeah sure can spend keys but, extremely temporary and not anywhere close to as good as m+

[rotund oak]

we gotta spam

the stupid tw again

for the trinket

[raven egret]

Grim Batol will be fine. Itll all go well.... We'll all get our trinket day 1... It'll... Be fine...

[granite leaf]

Grim Batol was hella fun early cata hc

[raven egret]

Yeah but now we got dragons top shy to fly more than 10 seconds and cancer all the way through

[granite leaf]

Classic doesn't count, you nerds minmax the fun out of old content

[raven egret]

Someone was like "yes please give me old dungeon with extra helping of cancer"

[oak eagle]

its gonna take me 50 runs to get the trinket, just like it did with Phial back in Shadowlands

[granite leaf]

Is the vehicle section still complete ass?

[raven egret]

They don't fly to the second section, you get them for as mentioned 10 seconds only for the initial walkway

[granite leaf]

Hmmm

[raven egret]

🫡 once more unto the breach

[oak eagle]

im gonna hate this grind so much

wish i had an easy trinket to farm

like int users do with Changling

mists is fun and fast

[whole sand]

just don't grind

[granite leaf]

Hit siege of boralus again for the spyglass

[oak eagle]

and then yeah also siege of fucking boralus

hated that place

[steep crater]

Question: on aoe pulls, should i apply rupture by tabbing through different enemies or just apply rupture to the first target multiple times?

[oak eagle]

tab i think

[granite leaf]

You can do both

[whole sand]

tab to maximize spread

but you can just not

[granite leaf]

Tabbing is better but if it's hard to track, dw

[oak eagle]

puts it on a fresh 3 targets without overlap

[dim yacht]

is it just a bug that the UI doesnt show 7 combo point values for finishers?

[raven egret]

Just make sure you end up on your intended burst target - you KB a random Mook is the perfect recipe for depression

[steep crater]

If i tab, its harder to track my deathstalker

I made a macro for my stealth ambush to set the target as my focus, and then i have a keybind to target my focus again once im done casting rupture

feels like APM hell though

[mellow oasis]

I ended up just giving the current deathstalkers mark target a different nameplate color

[raven egret]

I just stick to my main target, CT and Spatter will do the rest anyway

[obtuse frigate]

Does lingering darkness work when you consume a mark? since it says "expire"

[granite leaf]

Solid strat

[steep crater]

how do you do that?

[steep crater]

.

[whole sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[oak eagle]

with Whispyrs plater, it does that for you, it makes it purple

real easy to figure out which one it is

[steep crater]

hmm, i dont know. ill have to look into it

that looks nice

[raven egret]

Yeah cause a big X on top of the target head is such a clear and thematic way to show it, blizz... 'CEPT WHEN BURRIED BENEAT ALL THE REST OF THE DAMN GAME!

[steep crater]

haha

TRUE

[oak eagle]

yeah blizz hates us rogues

time we riot

and go play real mmo

riot mmo

that will come out

[raven egret]

Brah, all 12 of us!?

[oak eagle]

in 2069

havent they been developing that mmo for like, a decade now?

and we dont even have a name for it yet

[granite leaf]

Like 7 years

[steep crater]

i ended up making a WA to track the stacks of my deathstalker mark too. cant believe blizzard didnt implement something like that into the game

[granite leaf]

Yeah

[oak eagle]

and its supposed to be the WoW killer?

HAHHAA

i love when things get called the WoW Killer, and then that doesnt happen

[granite leaf]

This was my theory. Remember the second wow "Titan" that blizzard were working on, that became OW

[steep crater]

rip titan

[granite leaf]

The last titan is the final part of the worldsoul saga

[raven egret]

Remember when they said hero talents shouldn't require add-ons? I member

[granite leaf]

The end of wow

[oak eagle]

when was this "titan"

[granite leaf]

This was back in like wotlk

[oak eagle]

because i only started playing in BFA, so that might be before my time

[granite leaf]

Ah yeah 😄

Definitely before then

[oak eagle]

yeah im just a wee child

[granite leaf]

👴 This me

[oak eagle]

yeah be quiet old man

[granite leaf]

[oak eagle]

i also tend to call all my guildies old man/woman

because its funny

[steep crater]

i am having a lot of fun playing th spec though

[oak eagle]

yeah sins always been the most fun for me

im glad it was viable in all 3 seasons of DF

at least for raid

anyways

[granite leaf]

I only played rogue for a few tiers over the years but sub was always my favourite. Now that I've finally spent real time learning assassination, it kinda slaps

[oak eagle]

yeah i was pretty ass at ass back in BFA (haha get it?) and then got a rotation helper

it wasnt hekili tho

i forget the name of it

but holy did i actually show up on details for once

i remember, i used to try stunning taloc in Uldir

[fiery harbor]

Can i link my skills placement and other stuff on bars to my pvp and pve template?

[granite leaf]

Look at my speed 😄 no sprint or step

[oak eagle]

when im in my raid farming set holy do i ever go fast as fuck boy

[glossy remnant]

dumb question incoming... using LE rogue pack and there is this "wheesh" sound. What does it mean?

[oak eagle]

i go sub for raid farming, because i also get without a trace which gives me 20% movement speed

and damn i go zoomy

[granite leaf]

Yeah, this is just in assassination

I've made 800% speed with sub and different gear

😄

[oak eagle]

jesus

is that with like

[granite leaf]

It is very uncontrollable

[oak eagle]

mythic azerite gear with longstrider?

[granite leaf]

And does explode a lot

Yeah

[oak eagle]

which tier?

[granite leaf]

And this

[oak eagle]

maybe should go farm those

shadowflame rockets?

[granite leaf]

Flashpower hood from that stupid prison dungeon

[steep crater]

theres this trinket

[Scroll of Momentum]

i wanna try get super high movespeed and see how much it does

[oak eagle]

gross troll dagor

[granite leaf]

Fathomstalker shoulders from benthic and mekkatorques jacket from daz

[pseudo hamlet]

How's Assa in TWW?

[oak eagle]

goated

best spec in the game

[keen tree]

relearning rogue and mostly will play m+. Should i learn fatebound or deathbringer? Deathbringer right?

[pseudo hamlet]

Seriously?

[granite leaf]

Best boots

[oak eagle]

no

if you couldnt tell that was sarcasm, im sorry

[pseudo hamlet]

I couldn't because I was wondering about coming back and didn't read anything about it

Thought that this place is the best to ask

[oak eagle]

its an alright spec

dont know how the other specs are doing tbh

[pseudo hamlet]

After reading some about the Deathstalker I fear that it won't be as fun as before

[oak eagle]

its good in m+

nah deathstalker is fun

[steep crater]

deathstalker is great!

[granite leaf]

DS is fun, but with the current bugs oh boy is it frustrating

[oak eagle]

^

[steep crater]

what bugs are there?

I havent noticed any, or maybe im just bad

[oak eagle]

check the pinned

from Whispyr

[granite leaf]

It just randomly says no

[oak eagle]

also that

[granite leaf]

You're not allowed to play with hero talents this pull, sorry chief

[oak eagle]

ive consumed my darkest night proc, and then just not gotten another mark

was kinda cringe tbh

[steep crater]

ah

yeah i got the bug now too

that sucks

[obtuse frigate]

is lingering darkness a buff ?

[oak eagle]

istg that better not happen to me while im raiding

and have no vanish

[whole sand]

its if you kill the mob with the envenom

it eats the buff

[granite leaf]

Yep

[whole sand]

so you should be safe in any raid scenario

[obtuse frigate]

so when u consume all 3 death marks

[whole sand]

and really in most scenarios, it just feels bad rn because you can kill shit so easily

[oak eagle]

nah ive had it consume my buff before, and not put a new mark on

[whole sand]

.

[obtuse frigate]

is it a buff u can see

[whole sand]

yes

[jagged comet]

QQ - stat prio. Should you target crit / mastery items over anything else?

[oak eagle]

yea its an aura buff

[obtuse frigate]

because iam testing it on a dumby and iam not getting

the buff

after consuming 3 marks

[oak eagle]

simming is your friend, youll never want to just stack crit mastery

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[steep crater]

whispyrs plater wont load for me

hmm

[oak eagle]

did you import it properly

and did you select the profile?

!howtosim

i dont remember the bot command

rip

[whole sand]

sorry, i got lingering confused with darkest night, lingering doesn't have a buff afaik

[obtuse frigate]

so how do you know when u get lingering?

[steep crater]

weakauras says it doesnt look like a weak aura when trying to import

[obtuse frigate]

how do you know it works :/

[oak eagle]

thats because you import it into plater.

itll work if you import the profile into plater

just did it the other night

[steep crater]

ah, thanks

[strange python]

Morning

[steep crater]

mornin

[hardy atlas]

gutten morgen

[jade abyss]

Was the difficulty change for dungeons only for season 4? In DF

[weak isle]

U get the buff

[granite leaf]

Didn't think this could drop for non-polearm users

Nice

[obtuse frigate]

yeah the buff is not showing up for me 😦

[haughty flicker]

they changed it recently it seems

can get taeshalach and stuff too

[granite leaf]

Yeah, I'm now farming that on every character 😄

[errant night]

Hey guys. I've been using Hekili Priority Helper and it's great but the only problem is that it recommends me to use Thistle Tea (+energy) when the Energy is practically fool (like 200 or smth). Has anyone ever faced this problem? If so, what would be the solution to this

[jade abyss]

Dont use Hekili 😅

[royal lantern]

dont use hekili

its the opposite of great

[errant night]

it does great for me personally

because i'm still trying to figure out the rotation etc

[granite leaf]

The best way to learn for me is to sit on a dummy, get the muscle memory down by starting slow and working my speed up. Then just forcing myself to play the spec in all content

[royal lantern]

trust me when i say

it doesnt work

[errant night]

but the question was about thistle tea and how to make it recommended when it's time to use it

[keen tree]

speaking from experience you will never learn to play assassination rogue by using hekili. You will do fine in these hc dungeons but you will always be mediocre at best. I speak to you as a mediocre player.

you can use it for some other classes maybe but not for sin imho

[royal lantern]

keep bleeds running, dump combo points into envenom when bleeds are running, use cds on cd

you now allready do WORLDS better then by using that scamware that barely works and mostly just preys on gullible players

[keen tree]

scamware?

[royal lantern]

"do you have hekili instaled? delete it right now" is legit 1 of the best advices you can give MANY people

that will instantly improve performance

[keen tree]

how tf is it scamware?

[granite leaf]

It's not, it's just hyperbole

If the scam is wanting to become a better player, then I guess yes it is kinda scamware

[royal lantern]

i didnt want to say the word "shit software" 20x in a row, sorry mate

[keen tree]

it's not shit and it's not a scam - it' s for peple with different goals to you (and me)

it's certainly not for someone who has the initiative to come to the discord to learn though, i agree with that 1000%

[whole sand]

you're not going to make hekili understand your current resource state like that, just ignore the thistle tea, or maybe take it out of its skill lists or something, i do also recommend ditching the addon, but you do you king, ignore the nerds

[granite leaf]

Yeah, we didn't even answer the question - Famously what class discords are actually about

[naive crane]

hey guys, i have a question for my crafted gear. Should i aim to craft crit/mastery stats and is there a haste cap i should get?

[keen tree]

haha service with a smile 🙂

[granite leaf]

Not answering the question asked, answering the question we think we heard

I remembering asking some question on the paladin discord about a specific talent and the response was "we don't use it, it's bad", I'm like "cool, I didn't ask that"

[whole sand]

i kinda get it, especially if you're picking up the class for the first time its nice to see a visual of what buttons someone somewhere thinks you should be pressing, but it does a lot of long term damage if you stick with it

[iron carbon]

1 Tea charge with kingsbane and other when you starving energy under DM/KB

[whole sand]

of course that 'damage' is relative to what you want out of the game, so who gives a fuck

[keen tree]

and generally ppl DO stick with it .. i do that and im going to delete it RIGHT NOW.. this was the intervention i needed

[granite leaf]

I used hekili very briefly in like mop for enhance

[royal lantern]

best way to say it

[royal lantern]

to actually give a more in depth answer after all that talk

you use Tea on the first shiv of a fight to get the CD on it running, and after that you use Tea everytime it would not waste the 100 energy everytime you press shiv

[errant night]

thanks for the answer!

[glossy remnant]

what does .pmultiplier mean in the APL? such as this:

garrote,target_if=min:remains,if=stealthed.improved_garrote&(remains<12|pmultiplier<=1|(buff.indiscriminate_carnage.up&active_dot.garrote<spell_targets.fan_of_knives))&!variable.single_target&target.time_to_die-remains>2

[keen rover]

Ive been using hekili too. Mainly cause I just jumped into the class without reading much of ehat anything does. This conversation convinced me to figure it out after work tonight lol

[gusty mirage]

It’s there for any sort of snapshotting, the garrote one is checking to see if garrote got the stealth bonus or not. Previously it would also check if you managed to snapshot bleeds with nightstalker which no longer exists so it’s kinda there for just imp garrote now

[bleak quail]

Hello people , I'm lookking for a macro which after I use a ambush I want the macro to change to multilate and stay on multilate, could anybody help me ?

[royal lantern]

you put mutilate on the same button as ambush on your stealth bar....?

like, in stealth ambush on 1, and on your normal bar mut on 1

[glossy remnant]

thank you oxi, it makes sense. I just don't see any reference on it in the wiki. The code is also not commented and the APL does not specify any values

[whole sand]

that's how i've always done it, my stealth bar and my normal bar are identical because fuck learning different binds

[keen rover]

When I played a few years ago I made my action priority list into a weakaura that changed based on amount of rage (was playing prot war) and all sorts of different scenarios with a slight reaction time buffer. I want something like that for rogue tbh

[gusty mirage]

I wish the simc wiki was more thorough, because it feels like it’s missing a ton of shit

[bleak quail]

someone told me that after a ambush and dots I need to use multilate in inviz am I wrong ?

[whole sand]

yes

you aren't in stealth after ambush

[royal lantern]

to ease you into it a bit

WoW classes/specs are not difficult to play on a decent to good level at all, they are almost all kinda intuitive and tell you what you are supposed to do if you read your abilitys and some of the core talents

again, if you just think about "keep my bleeds running 100% of the time, and when they are running i put my combo points into Envenom, use cooldowns on cooldown" you allready play assa 80% correct

[bleak quail]

I dont know why but after ambush and my 2 dots I see that I'm still in stealth

since I'm lazy I do not want to use multilate in another bar while I'm inviz

[royal lantern]

did you skill subterfuge

if yes, stop that rn

[whole sand]

yeah you must be in subterfuge

[gusty mirage]

I’ll make the pro-Hekili argument (as always), if you’re new to a spec or class and feel overwhelmed hekili can ease you in to that. Hekili isn’t bad per se, but it’s often used as a crutch and it’s not a great crutch that can carry you long term. It can be good for building a bit of the basics of the rotation into muscle memory and then ditching it when you want to take a deeper dive into the rotation and learn all the small stuff that adds up into making a big dif

[royal lantern]

ye

the problem is that most people dont do the "learn stuff and then take a deeper dive" part

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[royal lantern]

they just crutch on it all the time and dont even know their abilitys or why they are even using them

beyond "addon showed me that picture"

[gusty mirage]

That’s why a lot of people hate it because it can build bad habits, esp because it’s designed as a rotation helper and it’ll almost always miss the nuances that players learn when learning it themselves

[jade abyss]

I press envenom bcs it looks cool

[gusty mirage]

Honestly, based

I just always defend Hekili because I’d rather people play the game and do well enough where they don’t feel like they’re inting

I’m a big proponent of having fun when you play vidya games

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[gusty mirage]

[jade abyss]

Video Games and fun in one sentence wtf D:

[granite leaf]

F-f-fu-n? What's that

[novel star]

assassination rogue

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cat-funny-smite-gif-17567204071102087896

[granite leaf]

This is the issue

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[granite leaf]

Hekili is training wheels when learning to ride a bike

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[royal lantern]

allright, now you are going to far

[granite leaf]

You can use them but if you keep them you'll never learn to ride a bike

[gusty mirage]

Great analogy tbh

Nails both the perks and the downside to it

[novel star]

why do you need an addon to ease you in when you have training dummies

[granite leaf]

How do you know if you're doing it right?

[gusty mirage]

Because I’m a dummy and I don’t want to beat up my people

[granite leaf]

Hekili is just a visual representation of the APL used in all guides

[royal lantern]

thats easy, im allways right

[granite leaf]

Yoooo

Truuue

[gusty mirage]

If you guys ever want to piss of Tryan tell him how much you love slice and dice

[novel star]

if u read a guide and understand what it says you’ll just know when you’ve done something wrong

[gusty mirage]

[novel star]

don’t need an addon to scream it at u

[jade abyss]

I dont know im 32 and still using "swimming wings" for swimming looks kinda cool

[granite leaf]

Ah so you use the guide, that's what hekili does too

Just without all of the context

[gusty mirage]

Hey @royal lantern

[novel star]

i’m not saying the addon is like giving false information or something

just that it seems pointless

[granite leaf]

You're replacing a training tool with a more widely accepted tool for learning

They're both sides of the same coin

Tools to help you learn - Longevity wise and effectiveness are different

[lavish hazel]

Does the ring work on mastery with nature dam ?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hiding-scared-cat-thaddeuswinter-thaddeus-winter-scared-gif-8846590460708131918

no

class stats dont work with items

[granite leaf]

I heckin' love pressing once per fight

It's almost like the ability doesn't even need to be a button

[dark token]

we likely using a nerubian or algari embellish

[novel star]

fair enough

[dark token]

so i can lvl my crafting

[pulsar apex]

If the tank moves fast enough, once per instance.

[granite leaf]

Dungeons are just 1 big pull anyway. Unless my DsM bugs then I bitch and moan and ask for a restealth

[novel star]

remove cut 2 the chase

[granite leaf]

Remove SnD

😄

[novel star]

return to tradition

[granite leaf]

Make it a random passive

Like everything else

[novel star]

ew

[pulsar apex]

I’ve yet to get a feel for M+ pace and DsM management. With current HC blitz nonsense I just have to get the coins out and have a less stressful run.

[novel star]

deathstalker is just so unsatisfying to play like >50% of the time

[peak condor]

does Deathmark affect Kingsbane?!

[royal lantern]

well, you have 2x the poison applications

[granite leaf]

Having played sub and assassination, none of the hero talents are that interesting 😄

[novel star]

^

[granite leaf]

Ret though, oh baby

Big hammer

Go bonk

[novel star]

doesn’t ret only have one viable tree

[granite leaf]

Yes

[novel star]

for all content

[granite leaf]

Herald of the sun is like 100k behind or something

[novel star]

lol

[granite leaf]

And ret is already 150k+ short of some specs

[peak condor]

yes, i like ret also but i heard he s not doing so great atm

[novel star]

i like assassination rogue believe it or not

[peak condor]

but anyway it wasnt right ret do same dps as sin rogue

[royal lantern]

what

[granite leaf]

I played paladin, most of the time I've played wow over the past 20~ years

It feels close to the best it's ever felt, but the damage is meh

[novel star]

“hybrid tax” mentality probably

[jade abyss]

I like the interactive gameplay from fatebound

[lavish hazel]

What is the best simming race ? dwarf ?

[royal lantern]

its such a 2005 mindset lol

[granite leaf]

Oh god, I remember when that was a real design choice

[royal lantern]

like, bro, we are in 2024

lol

[novel star]

people are always gonna think that way

it is what it is

[granite leaf]

Nah they've just not tuned ret well because it was the best spec in all content for almost 2 seasons

It shot up to the second most represented spec in the game, next to bm hunter

[royal lantern]

i mean

it didnt shot up

ret was always popular

[granite leaf]

Not that popular though

[royal lantern]

? ofc it was lol

[granite leaf]

I'm not saying it was monk tier or anything

[peak condor]

its easier to play, normal its popular

[royal lantern]

ret was always 1 of the most played specs in the game, even on mythic raid level

[novel star]

is ret even a baby spec still

i’ve never played it lmfao

i thought they gave it more stuff to think about nowadays

[royal lantern]

yeha, like "what is the background i use for the 2000th "Arathi plate full set" screenshot???"

[novel star]

based

to be fair paladin is goated thematically

makes sense for it to be simple ur busy screaming and larping while u play

[granite leaf]

Bruh, I can't get historic stats on data azeroth 😦

I wanted to show you the gain

[mystic osprey]

yo guys why is slice and dice just my favourite talent though? Haha

[royal lantern]

Adventurer is the "base framwork" of a character before they get assinged a class

[granite leaf]

Yep

[mystic osprey]

Tryan dont you love slice and dice htough

[granite leaf]

Did you see the very broken armoury page?

[errant night]

guys, if someone is interested.. I just disabled Tea from Hekili and tried to use it only after Kingsbane and Shiv and the dps went from something like 550k (on dummie, 574 ilvl) to 600-650k

so I'm doing everything right? 😄

[normal mist]

Well the rules of tea changed a while ago

We only use tea during shiv windows when you can get 100 energy by pressing it

Also, hekili is not a good addon in a long term situation

[thick briar]

Hello! Does any1 know how goos assass vs sub is? 🙂

Pros/cons etc

[kind forge]

I would even say it’s really bad for rogue

[spring prawn]

for fatebound is there anything i NEED to keep track of? or just plug and go

[normal mist]

No

Just brrr

[bitter apex]

is there a good way to sim the Nerubian pheromon thing?

[normal mist]

Why you guys sim stuff that will be replaced as soon as m0 / m+ starts

Just get Ilvl and you're more than fine

[heavy sentinel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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