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#assassination
arctic crown
waxen oyster
people still play lost fart?
limber lion
!wa
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
waxen oyster
i forgot about that game ngl
royal lantern
stealing shit, putting it trought chatGPT and calling it guides
knotty nexus
Waifu sim 
agile wedge
thats harsh š with my limited knowledge it read good
but then i test the other one
strange python
Whispyr gonna teach me to be best rogue XD
limber lion
Seli looks to be doing a good job with his guide
fair wharf
how much dps do you guys average on the single target raid dummy in Dornogal? i can barely reach 300k dps with ilvl 473 gear on assassination while i reach roughly 430k dps on subtlety. Tested this over a ~5min fight.
i feel like i must be doing something wrong cuz there is no way right
limber lion
No you don't
cobalt sphinx
doesn't seem too bad to do an inneficient pandemic garrote at 6 seconds for improved garrote but i think i'd have to rewrite the vanish timing to put it in the APL
strange python
I do against mobs.
limber lion
We're talking prolonged fight against a single dummy
royal lantern
ye cus they die in 3 seconds
limber lion
Not 17 dummies for 3 seconds
fair wharf
i mean this mob
limber lion
Hit 1 st dummy for 5mins and let's see you do 3m
strange python
Oh yeah damage is more when itās multiple targets lol
limber lion
....
distant plinth
strange python
Listen man Iām still learning.
limber lion
Reading
strange python
I wanna get into raids and keys
royal lantern
the 2nd comming of stealthi
silk bane
let the man cook
distant plinth
@strange python the goat?!
orchid cedar
i feel like i must be doing something wrong cuz there is no way right
this or sub is just better who knows
limber lion
Probably 17k
strange python
ā¦ never
fair wharf
id appreciate if you could share the number with me
limber lion
After learning your st rotation 5 minutes ato
strange python
id appreciate if you could share the number with me
Will do
limber lion
Probably a safe guess
silk bane
how much dps do you guys average on the single target raid dummy in Dornogal? i ...
I doubt to an insane amount that you do 430k dps on a dummy as a 573 sub
limber lion
id appreciate if you could share the number with me
Not a good source I'm afraid
knotty nexus
After learning your st rotation 5 minutes ato
WE should be learning his
limber lion
Better to sim youraelf
And compare yourself to the sim number
Do a 3minute Target Dummy sim
fair wharf
i mean i also just look at dps meter afterwards
limber lion
Then blast a dummy for 3 mins withoit consumables
fair wharf
it started off with roughly 700k to 800k dps in the first burst window, then dropped after fighting for a while with the next burst windows
i mean its the burst
knotty nexus
The dmg % breakdown will help a lot too
fair wharf
i mean im down for someone to be in my party just to double check while i hit him to death lol
maybe i am just reading things wrong
void mesa
Logging it would be the best way to go about it
fair wharf
how does one do that
shy pecan
Type /combatlog to start logging. Type it again to stop it.
mint urchin
Hey, for the opener with the dealthstalker + echoing bug, do you just ignore it and continue on or do you delay echoing?
fair wharf
ill be back in 10min o7
void mesa
Hey, for the opener with the dealthstalker + echoing bug, do you just ignore it ...
If you have DN up, you just reach 7 and ignore your ER points before sending the envenom
spare flame
!wa
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strange rampart
How many stacks are you lot getting with your Ara-Kara? I feel like im only ever sitting at 2 stacks. I assume 3 stacks is required for it to be better than other primary stat trinkets?
shy pecan
Upload it to warcraftlogs.com. There's an app you download from there and then you can upload the log through it.
fair wharf
Upload it to warcraftlogs.com. There's an app you download from there and then y...
ye im on it, im setting it up right now
balmy condor
How many stacks are you lot getting with your Ara-Kara? I feel like im only ever...
2-3 is average yes
fair wharf
i have to recreate the log tho since i didnt have advanced combat logging enabled, which i didnt even know i needed
balmy condor
How many stacks are you lot getting with your Ara-Kara? I feel like im only ever...
Oh I didnāt even see the second part, having 3 stacks is in no way required, its 2.5 procs per minute, so youāll sometimes have 3, sometimes have 2, and thatās just how it works
cyan summit
what triket are u all using now ?
balmy condor
On use stat + passive proc stat
rare pecan
im leveling leatherworking rn in prep for when we need crafted gear, what armor pieces are best to focus on?
cyan summit
On use stat + passive proc stat
is it ok to upgrade heroic gear , higher than 4/8 for the triket or some gear pecies ?
balmy condor
im leveling leatherworking rn in prep for when we need crafted gear, what armor ...
Wrists/belt are go to slots
balmy condor
is it ok to upgrade heroic gear , higher than 4/8 for the triket or some gear pe...
Itās more efficient to use the crests to craft
cyan summit
Itās more efficient to use the crests to craft
even for trikets :/
can i see ur trikets ? @restive bear
balmy condor
I mean why would you upgrade trinkets
I can see using crests to get a dagger to 593 or something
cyan summit
I mean why would you upgrade trinkets
to do higher damage :p
tall cradle
is it worth to actively stay above 50% energy
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
tawny pawn
Guys im preffering assa but dont tell the outlaw guys
void mesa
Zac will be here any second now dw
balmy condor
revoking your outlaw card atm
void mesa
runic hinge
primal jolt
balmy condor
anyone here know prebisss for assa
pre-bis is not a thing
primal jolt
probabbly here
balmy condor
we don't do that
balmy condor
yes
next wing
isn't that a thing?
balmy condor
season will release and replace 100% of your gear
pallid mesa
Can I ask my own silly question?
balmy condor
ofc
mint urchin
Hey, what talent gives us our 7th combo point other then deeper strat. My WA is broken and I can't find it to fix.
primal jolt
oh wait wtf new emote thingies on name
bronze pike
they took my killing spree
balmy condor
Hey, what talent gives us our 7th combo point other then deeper strat. My WA is ...
deeper strat but on spec tree
bronze pike
next wing
mmmmmmmmm
primal jolt
Which way we leaning spec wise for keys?
ask in 2 weeks when it comes out xd
mint urchin
Okay thanks
pallid mesa
ask in 2 weeks when it comes out xd
Debating if I want to play my rogue or just faceroll blood again
balmy condor
Which way we leaning spec wise for keys?
either whatever you prefer playing or whatever the meta says in a month
primal jolt
fotm 
dim sequoia
oh so u mean reroll to ranged
tender dock
fan of knives
š
dim sequoia
just go 580 u dont need higher for hc content xdd
primal jolt
im not saying use crests just equip whatever drops
ripe rapids
Do we want to use the crit weapon enchant until we are able to get the one that drops from the last boss of raid?
balmy condor
radiant would be next best after depths
normal lotus
first time playing assass since BFA so its been a minute.
In terms of DPS set up for packs with less survivability - are there any changes of note to get DPS pumping a bit faster?
next wing
whatever has higher ilvl
i get it guys u hate unemployed ppl whatever
balmy condor
first time playing assass since BFA so its been a minute.
In terms of DPS set ...
bleeds instantly into slam cd
primal jolt
huh
runic hinge
<:pureungus:1170051227774636212> š
Banger emote
primal jolt
thank you
normal lotus
bleeds instantly into slam cd
i take it for lower trash mobs, if i also didnt have CDs up i can get away with basics for that pack
primal jolt
Banger emote
i like my glorp aswell 
i got gif version of these if you guys want xd
ashen rover
This is great
thorn fjord
Itās terrifying
meager echo
guys, with deathstalker.
open with ambush (apply mark) > garrote > rupture and change the target to cast garrote > rupture? after back to target mark or can I cast garrote > rupture the same target mark and wait spread to others? I'm worried about the delay in switching and returning to the initial target and losing dps.
blazing pumice
use mouseover macros
or just spam it on your current target and lose the extra garrote/rupture
woeful elk
!wa
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pallid mesa
either whatever you prefer playing or whatever the meta says in a month
This is the answer I was expecting, and somehow I'm still disappointed.
balmy condor
happens
hazy bough
did they shadow change things? all of a sudden my sims are lower 200k and its telling me to go haste over crit now
blazing pumice
you know blizzard doesn't make the sims right
hazy bough
you know blizzard doesn't make the sims right
i dont understand how that matters with what i asked?
normal mist
did they shadow change things? all of a sudden my sims are lower 200k and its te...
Afaik there were no recent rogue changes big enough for that sim to happen
hazy bough
yeah.. really weird. 18hours ish.. and the sim is 200k lower.
proper tapir
did they shadow change things? all of a sudden my sims are lower 200k and its te...
I got you, just change the sim version to weekly
wicked vector
Okay, no doomers respond to this...Frost mage gameplay is degen, and they are fucking up arcane mage gameplay...how happy are assassination rogues? I know outlaw players are happy so I"m checking to see if we have more than 1 rogue spec where the gameplay is enjoyed
proper tapir
Okay set to latest then
hazy bough
ok ill try that
normal mist
Okay, no doomers respond to this...Frost mage gameplay is degen, and they are fu...
I only play assa, and im pretty happy
blazing pumice
shadow changes implies that there are changes blizz are making which are secret
wicked vector
Trying to prepare a backup class, because Arcane with these nerfs is still gonna be the best class, but I hate the playstyle...so rogue was my alt the last time I played wow before I had to quit due to irl shit, and if mage is gonna feel bad i'll just go main rogue
normal mist
Trying to prepare a backup class, because Arcane with these nerfs is still gonna...
Are the other 2 mage specs that bad?
wicked vector
Frost mage for SS has terrible class design to the point that the apl writers and generally to players made videos on the rotation and said they probably won't be playing the spec much because it is not fun and wonky to play
and if they ruin SF Arcane so it's the same, I won't be touching the class
Neither frost mage or arcane mage is weak even after nerfs, so it isn't about class strength, it's that the gameplay fucking blows if they don't revert this change
waxen oyster
Man forgot sub exists
wicked vector
Tuning wise yes...gameplay wise it feels bad
waxen oyster
Rogue you kind of get used to blizz leaves your class with bugs
wicked vector
They are strong, but the playstyle blows, that's why i'm asking about how rogue feels to play right now
If you want context go watch Manather's Frost video and skip to the SS single target portion lol...it is pretty gross
wicked vector
I've played both in a top 100 us guild years ago, I don't care about "easy", I'm just a casual doing dungeons with friends these days
waxen oyster
Melee probably a bad choice
bitter lance
Does anyone have a sin rogue dungeon talent build?
normal mist
wowhead
waxen oyster
Assassination at its core is fine
its more of our hero talents are fuckin boring
and melee has gotten more cancerous
the spec itself is good
worthy stone
Anyone got a plater profile that has the important debuffs only, including desaturated if missing and always in the same order?
normal mist
Does anyone have a sin rogue dungeon talent build?
runic hinge
and melee has gotten more cancerous
Is that what that lump is?
supple cloud
theres some talent tree builds in method website thats uses fatebound ive been palying it its easy but i guess im lucky with rng and usually top the meters
golden quarry
Do you macro thistle tea to shiv?
balmy condor
theres some talent tree builds in method website thats uses fatebound ive been ...
fatebound generally will perform better yes
balmy condor
Do you macro thistle tea to shiv?
no
rain mortar
Melee probably a bad choice
While this is true - I think itās generally overstated too. Melee = a little harder but itās not some big issue that means you shouldnāt play melee
thorn fjord
You manually casting CB? @balmy condor
supple cloud
oh thank god i had a hunch that fatebound was to parse im glad i was right dude i love palying it its like wow classic rogue
balmy condor
You manually casting CB? <@167090536602140682>
during opener yes
well
I'm manually casting env in opener
after that it's macro
so I technically never manually cast CB
balmy condor
but I do have a bind to avoid it for opener
waxen oyster
oh thank god i had a hunch that fatebound was to parse im glad i was right dude...
classic rogue you mean
mutilate
afk for 5 secojds
mutilate
afk another 5
thorn fjord
Im still assuming we'll be playing DS in raid
balmy condor
i set cb to my ER button but im like is it really that big a deal right now?
Yeah thatās reasonable too
thorn fjord
FB does seem pretty cool though
supple cloud
well not afk mutilate but a simpler playstyle thats easier to grasp by most players is what i mean
but its cool to get ur dmg ramped up by ur coins
waxen oyster
fatebound is 100% passive
you dont look at it
deathstalker has (minor) decisionmaking
thorn fjord
I gotta fuck around with trickster this weekend
cobalt sphinx
The sub one? That one is very very cool
thorn fjord
yeah looks like it
cobalt sphinx
I think coup is supposed to have a 1.5s gcd though right?
I havenāt noticed it but that was a major complaint
runic hinge
Itās cool cause it locks you outta kick
runic hinge
Love that
thorn fjord
lol get out really?
waxen oyster
Itās cool cause it locks you outta kick
irony of this is how part of the warrior final capstone
it enables them to kick and stun
during bladestorm
runic hinge
Must be nice
glossy remnant
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fluid pilot
Assa dodging nerfs like neyo itās crazy
harsh ingot
is there an ideal stat split i should aim for?
balmy condor
No
granite leaf
I'm simming 719k now š
balmy condor
Gettin there
granite leaf
My ret 587 is doing 670k 
dapper cradle
Assa dodging nerfs like neyo itās crazy
Dont jinx it
balmy condor
My ret 587 is doing 670k <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
My monkey brain wants to push the last like 10k in my sim to get to 800k flat but my human brain says why the fuck would you do that whispyr please be reasonable
frail root
Hello, I want to try out sin, since sub chat is going crazy bc of all the bugs and so onš£ is there a nice guide video you would recommend? I honestly red the wowhead and stuff but I just donāt understand what to do when my opening rotation is done and stuffā¦.
balmy condor
To which the monkey brain responds OOOOH OO AAA AA ROUND NUMBER OOO OO GIVE
Itās a battle every day
granite leaf
Number go up!
I'm still using last expansion enchants and gems because fuck spending 35k per weapon
supple cloud
another website u can try is method guild quiirin its got sin rogue guides
thorn fjord
To which the monkey brain responds OOOOH OO AAA AA ROUND NUMBER OOO OO GIVE
Must appease the OCD
thorn fjord
Sin easier than sub imo
spare nimbus
Sin? sorry
frail root
another website u can try is method guild quiirin its got sin rogue guides
Iāll try it. I just hate the fact that everyone just explains opener and rotation and stuff but no one talks about what to do afterwards or when itās on cooldown or what to do when you hold your cds and stuff
frail root
Sin? sorry
AssasSINation
thorn fjord
Sin? sorry
Assassination
spare nimbus
Ah right
balmy condor
Iāll try it. I just hate the fact that everyone just explains opener and rotatio...
but that is the rotation part
spare nimbus
But you cant go from 0-7 CP's like Sublety can with 1 ability right?
balmy condor
spare nimbus
On big pulls in m+
balmy condor
this is what you do afterwards
balmy condor
But you cant go from 0-7 CP's like Sublety can with 1 ability right?
correct
the closest you'll get it bone spike
spare nimbus
how much do you use fan of knives as sin?
frail root
Why Is on sin sometimes the CP blue with a cross in it? What does that mean?
thorn fjord
ER (Echoing reprimand) Empowers your combo points
When you land on a blue CP it'll send as if it were 7 CP
frail root
When Iām above the blues? Like 2-3 is blue and Iām on 5 which is red? It just counts as a flat 5?
thorn fjord
Yep
frail root
Aahhh
thorn fjord
Dont try and force landing on the empowered CP
just let it happen naturally and send when they land
spare nimbus
Question: do you ever mutilate at 3+ targets, or do you only ever mutilate and then just sometimes use fan of knives when its empowered?
thorn fjord
You mutilate to get splatter up but 3+ you'll FoK
thorn fjord
yep
spare nimbus
ty
frail root
I canāt even play sub but sin seems so much better for m+ atm I might gotta learn it šµāš«
karmic gazelle
How low apm is assassin atm ?
karmic gazelle
ouch
gray hazel
Sudden demise will prob still shine in lower keys, and then cleave/hybrid better in higher keys?
icy osprey
im probably forgetting something, but wouldnt you be able to vanish sooner in the opener as improved garrote lasts for 6 seconds, to have less of a delay on your next 2m?
spare nimbus
At 3 or less targets, how do you open as Sin? Cause garrote from stealth will only award 1 CP and you need 7 to apply your rupture?
balmy condor
Sudden demise will prob still shine in lower keys, and then cleave/hybrid better...
probably never cleave
but yes
gray hazel
Why never cleave?
balmy condor
im probably forgetting something, but wouldnt you be able to vanish sooner in th...
sure, doesn't really matter
gray hazel
I used that build the most in DF hah
balmy condor
well
just like in dragonflight
it's like 1% better in boss damage
and dogshit everywhere else
it's like a solid 7% behind in aoe
spare nimbus
https://i.gyazo.com/1f0e9fdf63542d72c20dafccd46301fa.jpg
This question might not fit here, but how do I remove poisons from my plater xD
So I only see bleeds
gray hazel
But cleave didnāt have CT in df I believe. Where it does have it now
frail root
Whatās the reason for garrote to be in a 5? Sec cooldown sometimes?
icy osprey
https://i.gyazo.com/1f0e9fdf63542d72c20dafccd46301fa.jpg
This question might no...
you add them to the blacklist in the buff tracker section
balmy condor
https://i.gyazo.com/1f0e9fdf63542d72c20dafccd46301fa.jpg
This question might no...
there's a debuff/buff blacklist option
balmy condor
But cleave didnāt have CT in df I believe. Where it does have it now
yeah, fucking stupid but it is what it is
CT got buffed thank god
gray hazel
Are your sims available anywhere? Your ! Command doesnāt work
gray hazel
lol
balmy condor
I don't post sims
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gray hazel
Gotcha, I really liked your sheet from DF
balmy condor
I didn't have a sheet in df
gray hazel
I swear you did, !whispyr had one
balmy condor
that was shadowlands
thorn fjord
jesus
gray hazel
Lmao
thorn fjord
gray hazel
My apologies
balmy condor
all good
balmy condor
I stopped doing it cause the community started going ape shit for sims
icy osprey
sure, doesn't really matter
i suppose it would only really matter if kill time is close to 2m window
balmy condor
every dumbass with a keyboard decided they were an expert data analyst
and I'm not gonna feed those delusions
gray hazel
Oh Iām not
fluid pilot
Dont jinx it
With arcane, fdk, ele and enha nerfed, its gonna be sooo far ahead of anything in m+ 
gray hazel
I just wanted to see how close FB and DM were is some situations from your vid
thorn fjord
because it feels like yesterday tbh
balmy condor
I just wanted to see how close FB and DM were is some situations from your vid
like 3-4%
gray hazel
And how close hybrid, cleave, and bleed were
balmy condor
deathstalker is just prio
but you should sim those for your own character
much more accurate
there's so many talent options these days
that depend on gear
gray hazel
Yeah, Iāll prob be just a DS guy
balmy condor
it's dumb
gray hazel
FB just seems fun with turning brain off more
spare nimbus
Is my only way to quickly reapply bleeds on big pulls to vanish and use IC?
balmy condor
depends on your definition of quick I guess but yeah
fok rup fok rup is pretty quick
spare nimbus
fok rup fok rup is pretty quick
Is that enough? You want CP7 for rup right?
Sorry what's DS?
balmy condor
you always finish on 5 or more
orchid cedar
Deathstalker
pliant remnant
Deez schnuts
balmy condor
7 is purely for darkest night
spare nimbus
Alright. But envenom is always 7 regardless, ye?
balmy condor
no?
spare nimbus
Oh
pliant remnant
With DN
spare nimbus
Oki oki
tough gorge
5+ for both hero except darkest night
orchid cedar
proccing DN asap even if you are at 6 cp is ideal right?
balmy condor
you would mut to 7
orchid cedar
even if you miss 2 cps with 1 muti
balmy condor
yyeah
silent drift
Assass getting hit with nerfs?
orchid cedar
nope
balmy condor
6cp with darkest night, you hit another generator
tough gorge
Why, other classes are gigs strong too
pliant remnant
Assass is getting removed from WoW tomorrow
silent drift
Nice
pliant remnant
My uncle who works at Blizzard said so
balmy condor
Assass is getting removed from WoW tomorrow
holy shit I'm free
DOBBY IS A FREE ELF
AHAHAHA
pliant remnant
spare nimbus
So when I open on a big pack, like let's say 10 mobs, I... garrote>garrote>garrote into rupture, FOK, Rupture? by then the 5 secs are over right
orchid cedar
i need a bigger aura for DN buff
balmy condor
So when I open on a big pack, like let's say 10 mobs, I... garrote>garrote>garr...
gar gar rup rup gar gar CT
tough gorge
I wouldnāt triple garrotte
balmy condor
neither would I
pliant remnant
Bone Spike gives you CP refund after Rup, so you can Rup twice
tough gorge
Get 2 of each garrotte and rupture and get CT up then Spatter
spare nimbus
sorry im completely new to assass. i read the guide tho, but how does 2x garrote provide me 5+CP for rup?
orchid cedar
gar after stealth gives 3 cps
spare nimbus
ohhh
so they are
then how can i rup twice in a row?
last q uestion tonight i promise
xD
balmy condor
bone spike
spare nimbus
ok lemme try
pliant remnant
then how can i rup twice in a row?
balmy condor
Bone Spike gives you CP refund after Rup, so you can Rup twice
^ peter actually beat you the question
pliant remnant
balmy condor
cause he's just a giga chad like that
primal jolt
wait WAIT we use bonespike?
pliant remnant
I'm stealthed
primal jolt
i didnt play for like 2 monthss
spare nimbus
sorry peter!! xD
primal jolt
and i come back to BONESPIKE?
balmy condor
wait WAIT we use bonespike? <:despairge:975807482490421329>
in every build yes
spare nimbus
i believe bonespike is a passive now
pliant remnant
Bone Spike is pog
orchid cedar
with fatebound yes
orchid cedar
you will tho most of the tame
woven prairie
hows assa vs sub in raid looking? š
raven sonnet
it's almost like I spent like a week making graphics for the openers
They are beautiful!!!!
balmy condor
ty
orchid cedar
benespike charges reset with kills
balmy condor
hows assa vs sub in raid looking? š
just two specs sitting in a tree K I S S I N G
first comes heroic tuning, then comes marriage
woven prairie
that's nasty š
balmy condor
then comes meta discussion in ravenholdt
frail root
Why is there sometimes a 5sec CD on my gar? Whatās the reason for that?
drowsy harness
Is echoing reprimand still bugged?
spare nimbus
i dont understand bonespike, i just had only ONE stack of bonespike, i was at 7 CP, used rupture, then immediately got 5 CP
drowsy harness
So cold blood is still the go to?
orchid cedar
i wouldn't take cold blood with DS even with ER bugged
spare nimbus
from 1 bone spike
balmy condor
So cold blood is still the go to?
for fatebound yes
balmy condor
Why is there sometimes a 5sec CD on my gar? Whatās the reason for that?
??????? cause garrote has a 6 second cooldown
that's just
drowsy harness
for fatebound yes
What about deathstalker?
primal jolt
i wonder how many seasons into the saga itll actually take them to fix echo
orchid cedar
11.3 is my bet
when becouse of tunning Fatebound is the best spec and you don't need it
drowsy harness
deathstalker plays echoing
Oh ok I watched your video and must have gotten the two builds confused.
drowsy harness
Oh ok I watched your video and must have gotten the two builds confused.
So ER is fine for deathstalker?
upper spear
thoughts on early combos? I was thinking the far left 2, but wasnt sure if should combine egg+crystal for 2 passives
orchid cedar
ngl it would be cool to have ER not bugged
frail root
??????? cause garrote has a 6 second cooldown
Ohhh I was so confused bc of improved garrote, bc that eliminates the CD bc of stealth, now I got it, thanks
orchid cedar
for some nice fast envenoms
primal jolt
ngl im suprised sin has two basically functional hero talents, a lot of classes can just pick one
because the other is either gigabugged or shit
high sundial
Hi guys. You waiting with wrist/boots spark crafting?
digital sigil
Yes
drifting cloud
cant trust purple people
shy pecan
Same
high sundial
thanks!
primal jolt
they want to take your spark for themselves, evil purple names
pliant remnant
Man misspelled "whisper", how could you ever trust him?
balmy condor
cant trust purple people
william afton from freddy faz5bear is a purpel guy and he's evil rawr
pliant remnant
thorn fjord
Purple people eater
primal jolt
the staff is making you guys not craft so they can parse 100 when the raid is out 
im so fucking smart
thorn fjord
They gonna do that regardless
digital sigil
@balmy condor but why do I need to use 7 combo points to reapply mark instead of 5 
primal jolt
They gonna do that regardless
they read trough the lies
runic hinge
Iām done reading for good
earnest remnant
cuz fuck you thats why
runic hinge
Now Iām reading for bad
thorn fjord
I quit smoking for good
runic hinge
cuz fuck you thats why
spare nimbus
Say you've used all 3 bone spikes on 1 target, and that target dies, do you then get refunded 3 stacks or 1 stack?
earnest remnant
uno
thorn fjord
i miss oxi
runic hinge
Same
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> but why do I need to use 7 combo points to reapply mark i...
flavor
digital sigil
storm forum
What happened to oxi?
digital sigil
Say you've used all 3 bone spikes on 1 target, and that target dies, do you then...
You probably won't run into this issue since a 7 combo point rupture lasts longer than it takes for bonespike to recharge
thorn fjord
What happened to oxi?
Man has been free'd
storm forum
Damn, purple names finally took him out back huh
storm forum
LMAO
pliant remnant
earnest remnant
something is happening to him
storm forum
Two people said they missed him, I thought he quit or got kicked from the disc or something
earnest remnant
he is marrying me (he doesent have a say in this)
balmy condor
Two people said they missed him, I thought he quit or got kicked from the disc o...
no he's definitely around
storm forum
Congrats!
balmy condor
still writing the sub rogue guide for icyveins etc
thorn fjord
spare nimbus
Is deathstalker's mark only used on small packs/boss fights? Talking M+ here, as I cant imagine its good to open with ambush on larger packs when you wanna spread bleeds?
orchid cedar
it should be used through the whole dungeon
fickle girder
Is deathstalker's mark only used on small packs/boss fights? Talking M+ here, as...
You can open with Ambush and just use garrotes for 6 seconds after that
orchid cedar
plus you have the capstone
digital sigil
Infographic 
balmy condor
applying the mark is better than 3 garrotes will ever be
digital sigil
balmy condor
guides are for losers!
fickle girder
Hello. It me. Loser. Where guide?
balmy condor
wowhead icyveins method youtube
fickle girder
What about maxroll? 
digital sigil
Ask chatgpt
unborn narwhal
You can open with Ambush and just use garrotes for 6 seconds after that
why wouldnt you press rupture?
balmy condor
you would
fickle girder
why wouldnt you press rupture?
You would but his concern seemed to be opening with Ambush instead of Garrote, if I understood him correctly
spare nimbus
Ye it was:D
was just worried i couldnt dot all the mobs
if i used a global ambushing, but i understand that the mark is important
balmy condor
if the pull is big enough, you won't be able to
orchid cedar
you do ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote basically
balmy condor
that's not a bad thing
I'd say in the vast majority of situations you don't actually have all the mobs dotted
loud trench
did the link to the plater profiles go away or am i missing it somewhere
balmy condor
!wa
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LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
loud trench
ā¤ļø
spare nimbus
I'd say in the vast majority of situations you don't actually have all the mobs ...
Do you spend time trying to dot them all up then? Like how do you know when to refresh dots if not all mobs are dotted
maybe im a bit simple minded there
spare nimbus
and how do you know to start rotation with envenom over dotting
dark token
Do you spend time trying to dot them all up then? Like how do you know when to r...
i just triple garrote double rupture
once u get ur 5 ruptures up you do cds
fickle girder
<a:NOPERS:875522661902581810>
Why we hatin on Perfecto tho
dark token
to clarify
fickle girder
Is there lore I'm not aware of
woven torrent
is there a way to keep the skillbar static? so it doesnt switch when entering stealth ?
dark token
then rotatato
spare nimbus
alright
balmy condor
Why we hatin on Perfecto tho
he's fine, the guide just ain't it
orchid cedar
is there a way to keep the skillbar static? so it doesnt switch when entering st...
put the same abilities on both 
balmy condor
echo rogue and rogue tc's in general have had a pretty battled history though
neither side really likes the other
spare nimbus
then rotatato
then when they run out, and you dont have vanish, and mobs are only halfway dead, what do you do then?
balmy condor
is what it is
pliant remnant
More like imperfecto
royal lantern
Do you spend time trying to dot them all up then? Like how do you know when to r...
dot priority targets until you have basically endless energy, thats when you did enough
woven torrent
@orchid cedar 
spare nimbus
alright watch the energy, as sublety i was used to just rupturing everytihng
balmy condor
Do you spend time trying to dot them all up then? Like how do you know when to r...
it's a 2 step process, you bleed until you have energy, then you rupture until you're capped on scent of blood, and then you don't bleed
kindred cobalt
there is any minimum % of crit that I should worry before mastery atm ? im with 36% mastery and 20% crit atm with 578 ilvl
spare nimbus
it's a 2 step process, you bleed until you have energy, then you rupture until y...
So its a waste of time to rupture more than 5 mobs?
balmy condor
yeh
spare nimbus
ty
lucid rune
As much as I love Whispyr's WA, the plater profile has real skinny bars... lol I can't tell how much health mobs have left
soft bluff
things die so fast its kinda hard to get the flow going
balmy condor
idk if it's really "a waste"
spare nimbus
and i always just garrote on CD im assuming?
balmy condor
but it's definitely not ideal
shy crow
assassination rogue
autumn birch
I am a little confused: in aoe when do I use fok? Do I need it? Because spreading with caustic splatter and mutilate does more dmg. I simply do more dmg when I ignore fok completely.
spare nimbus
oh i thought garrote was stronger than rupture
royal lantern
I am a little confused: in aoe when do I use fok? Do I need it? Because spreadin...
3+ targets
orchid cedar
and with DS you want to FoK after every mark aplication
royal lantern
oh i thought garrote was stronger than rupture
with stealth benefits yes
but rupture/garrote by themself are not really hard hitters, they are mostly just resource generators without things buffing them
spare nimbus
just rupture
ty btw, so keep scent of blood up, and only use garrote from stealth, so mainly relying on rupture for the energy? and not too worried about garrote running out?
autumn birch
So on more then 3 targets I just use fok instead of mut?
balmy condor
yep
spare nimbus
cheers
balmy condor
So on more then 3 targets I just use fok instead of mut?
yep
spare nimbus
thats nice and simple
pliant remnant
You Mut just to keep Caustic up
unborn narwhal
So on more then 3 targets I just use fok instead of mut?
remember to once in 10s press muti for caustic spatter
autumn birch
Can I track caustic somehow?
spare nimbus
with stealth benefits yes
but rupture/garrote by themself are not really hard h...
got it, big bleeds from start of pull cause of IC, otherwise just keep scent up, and 5 stacks of scent = enough energy most of the time im assuming
balmy condor
it's a debuff just track it like any other debuff
unborn narwhal
Can I track caustic somehow?
WA/Plater
balmy condor
I color my nameplate differently
royal lantern
got it, big bleeds from start of pull cause of IC, otherwise just keep scent up...
yes
balmy condor
but in no required
autumn birch
Oh yes š
dark token
then when they run out, and you dont have vanish, and mobs are only halfway dead...
you fok reapply the ruptures as they start dropping
keep garrotting on cd
spare nimbus
you fok reapply the ruptures as they start dropping
ye for scent of blood ye?
balmy condor
As much as I love Whispyr's WA, the plater profile has real skinny bars... lol I...
they're not that skinny are they? maybe it's like a resolution/ultrawide thing?
dark token
ye
autumn birch
So just every 10 seconds a Mut when at 3+
spare nimbus
ah i was just told to ignore garrote as its dogshit
when outside s tealth
on aoe packs
autumn birch
Yeah in stealth I spread dots.
unborn narwhal
Can I track caustic somehow?
YMMV
spare nimbus
aight im going bedge, feel like i learned what i need to know about assassin to get started
balmy condor
when outside s tealth
yeah outside of stealth don't bother, just maintain it on your main target
spare nimbus
what im most worried about is bleed management
but seems bleed management is just tldr: keep scent of blood up, bleed more if low energy
balmy condor
but seems bleed management is just tldr: keep scent of blood up, bleed more if l...
yep that's basically it
royal lantern
is assa good this tier?
"this tier" isnt even out yet
jesus christ
balmy condor
is assa good this tier?
š®
balmy condor
snooze you lose
warped lily
hahahahaha
orchid cedar
afaik in the beta it was good
pliant remnant
balmy condor
it definitely was not good in beta testing lmao
warped lily
Im not sure guys, im just reading the patch notes
orchid cedar
then it's trash dw
balmy condor
rogue was down horrendous during raid testing
pliant remnant
Not good in raid, good in M+
warped lily
the indiscriminate carnage nerf, makes me thing will be bad at mythic _
pliant remnant
Copium, big buffs inc
balmy condor
carnage was buffed
spare nimbus
TY for all the questions answered, will be back tomororw. good night lads
balmy condor
our AoE skyrocketed
orchid cedar
was it that bad in raid?
warped lily
was 10, now its 6
balmy condor
our single target sucks pretty bad
royal lantern
afaik in the beta it was good
going after beta numbers is really stupid and assa was not great there lol
people just jerk the high overall dmg in dungeons (and ignore the low ST dmg it does in dungeons, after 2years of saying "ST dmg is the only thing that matters")
balmy condor
was 10, now its 6
yeah but now improved garrote is 6 seconds
you never used the full 10 seconds anyway
spice surge
Barely even used 6 seconds before
orchid cedar
what's better in raid? sub?
orchid cedar
in the beta i mean
royal lantern
what's better in raid? sub?
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW 
on beta rogue was mid at best in general
balmy condor
during beta testing the better spec was not playing rogue
fickle girder
in the beta i mean
You mean 25 tuning changes ago?
pliant remnant
š®
balmy condor
rogue was just awful
lucid rune
Is there a simple plater profile that has thicker bars than whispyr's? lol
orchid cedar
damn
lucid rune
no offence
warped lily
i hope they buff rogue
pliant remnant
I use Jundies' Plater myself
balmy condor
there's settings for it
lucid rune
lol good idea
fickle girder
Guise look, Outlaw top tier https://simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW1_Raid.html
balmy condor
true real
fickle girder
royal lantern
lucid rune
Whispyr! so the bar goes green for spatter, but i don't see the purple bar for ds
balmy condor
Whispyr! so the bar goes green for spatter, but i don't see the purple bar for d...
definitely should
it works off the same code
lucid rune
does 1 override the other>?
lucid rune
ahh it is doing that
cool
last question
the red dotted lines surrounding. is that empowered garrote?
balmy condor
deathmark
unborn narwhal
what nameplate addon you use?
Plater with a heavily modified quazii template
tepid lichen
ahh ok
unborn narwhal
what nameplate addon you use?
can send you the import if you want 
tepid lichen
if you don't mind that would be nice
true rapids
What's the plater setting to make the bar white when I mouse over it?
balmy condor
oh god I just changed it
it's uh
under target maybe there's a hover thing
on the left
true rapids
I'll give it a look
pliant remnant
I'll give it a look
balmy condor
i thought that was the purple bar :p
purple is deathstalker's mark
balmy condor
should be Athenakills (Goose) then
lucid rune
I goosed'r bud.
cerulean nest
someone in my guild obtained like 700 more artisan's acuity than me and I cannot for the life of me figure it out
no exploits
strange python
Hi
orchid cedar
do we get Mythic raiding the day S1 starts?
fickle girder
do we get Mythic raiding the day S1 starts?
orchid cedar
damn it's everything 1 week delayed
from what i thought
i guess i can lvl some alts just in case
strange python
Did they give us a road map of content and story yet?
unborn narwhal
i like this delayed start more, gives you some more time to settle in and do some comfy stuff in wow
strange python
Ohai
edgy crystal
is there any renown i should be farming specifically for any item
balmy condor
no
fickle girder
Epics 
edgy crystal
xd
orchid cedar
which other classes are you guys finding fun?
strange python
None
edgy crystal
monk
strange python
Just rogue
edgy crystal
but i like monk so
strange python
Nah but paladin was fun
edgy crystal
are u guys doing delves
fickle girder
Retri. It's like giving my 2 brain cells a break when I log in to play it
royal lantern
which other classes are you guys finding fun?
tried out arms warrior, its kinda cool
strange python
Rogue best class
dapper cradle
With arcane, fdk, ele and enha nerfed, its gonna be sooo far ahead of anything i...
Itās only like a 2.5% overall nerf for frost
strange python
I heard arcane was popping off
balmy condor
arcane mages are furious atm
strange python
Why
balmy condor
they removed the double dip
dapper cradle
Lmao get rekt nerds
balmy condor
yeh
strange python
Whatās double dip? Iām not mage savvy
pliant remnant
which other classes are you guys finding fun?
Windwalker, Survival, FDK are my main alts at the mo
orchid cedar
the spell queuing i guess
balmy condor
they could double dip some hero talent thing idk
orchid cedar
with arcane barrage
vast plank
err, is stealth bugged"o
balmy condor
err, is stealth bugged"o
nop
dapper cradle
Based blozz
pliant remnant
blozz
dapper cradle
strange python
Theyāre like whyyy Metzen? Whyyy
pliant remnant
HIYA
balmy condor
ty also love your channel
ty
fickle girder
Is garrote out of stealth sometimes shooting blanks or am I tripping? It feels like I'm literally missing sometimes
balmy condor
tripping I would assume
royal lantern
stop saying that guys, your words make him to strong
fickle girder
Fair
orchid cedar
did hunters got nerfed?
royal lantern
did hunters got nerfed?
? no ?
hunter is kinda weak rn
pliant remnant
did hunters got nerfed?
No, but they had the shit hero talents buffed that they still won't use
strange python
Nah by the end of the expansion hunter will be meta all 3 specs
Blizz loves their hunter
lucid rune
@balmy condor crimson tempest isn't worth tracking? (on plater)
balmy condor
nah
royal lantern
i want MM to actually be meta for once
cus "Hunter = BM" is a thing for WAAAAAAAAY too long now
sweet dust
Nah but paladin was fun
ret is hella fun till you get to ST
balmy condor
but I just track it on my target and everything gets hit anyway
dense talon
!wa
lucid rune
I guess I can see it in the weakaura
prisma monolithBOT
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LE's 11.0 Group
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
balmy condor
just ends up being a fuck ton of visual noise for me
strange python
Didnāt feral get buffed a bit? I love me some Druid
pliant remnant
Tracking it individually is defo too much
royal lantern
Didnāt feral get buffed a bit? I love me some Druid
ask meownar
orchid cedar
how's assa ST gonna gonna be low, that just feels wrong
orchid cedar
it is for aoe too tho
royal lantern
ER bug is not making a difference there mate lol
strange python
Oh okay
orchid cedar
š¦
strange python
Hehe thatās why I do the hybrid build
orchid cedar
you probably won't run that in raids tho
strange python
I was told I can use it for all content
quiet flax
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
orchid cedar
pretty sure you will use raid ST build for most raid encounters
royal lantern
well, yeha, ofc?
ST build with spatter when the fight is not 100% ST is what you play in raids, thats how it works
strange python
Why canāt they make a build thatās used for all content legit
I donāt like having to master different builds
balmy condor
cause it's an mmo
and swapping talents and stuff for different situations
is like the entire thing
balmy condor
I mean you don't have to, it's just optimal
unborn narwhal
Why canāt they make a build thatās used for all content legit
why cant rogues heal right?
strange python
I think itās my comfort. I get so comfortable using one build lol
balmy condor
you can do everything with one build and just suck a little everywhere
strange python
Ah
dapper cradle
Is sin really pumping less than law in ST rn?
orchid cedar
until you have some logs... who knows
apparently rogue sims are not precise
outlaw*
lucid rune
are we trying to send env above 150 energy?
dapper cradle
Yeah law oversims
earnest remnant
orchid cedar
sub is also simming better
balmy condor
are we trying to send env above 150 energy?
no
orchid cedar
but they are both simming low anyways
flint gulch
just ends up being a fuck ton of visual noise for me
thats something i have be mindful of sensory overload is damn painful when it gets out of hand
orchid cedar
if rogue underperforms in raid they will surely buff it
no one likes Rogues underperforming š
modest gale
Well sub does good st
pliant remnant
dapper cradle
I donāt want to learn sub bros 
pliant remnant
Then don't
orchid cedar
and pray for buffs
fickle girder
if rogue underperforms in raid they will surely buff it
orchid cedar
our you can reroll DK and top every meter smashing you head into the keyboard
full summit
!macro
shy pecan
There are none for sin
dapper cradle
Fdks having the time of their lives pressing 3 buttons
spice surge
Well sub does good st
Nothing wrong with its aoe either
full summit
fair
earnest remnant
our you can reroll DK and top every meter smashing you head into the keyboard
i already do that on rogue tho
spice surge
If you compare it to any other spec than assa
earnest remnant
dont need to reroll for that
fickle girder
Macro Cold Blood with Envenom
modest gale
Nothing wrong with its aoe either
I prefer assa aoe š
timber pawn
I really like fatebound > Deathstalker, any indication how far the gap between the two are?
orchid cedar
the thing i hate from the 2 other rogue specs is having to itemnize with Versatility
what a boring stat
earnest remnant
about as boring as any other stat for rogue
orchid cedar
nah the other 3 are cooler
orchid cedar
sure, in different ways
fickle girder
Haste is the only one that kinda lets you play a little differently, ig
pliant remnant
I get so excited when a stat increases my finisher and/or poison/bleed damage instead of just increasing all of it
fickle girder
You regen more energy
pliant remnant
shy pecan
You regen more energy
Wut
fickle girder
Wut
balmy condor
you specifically
no one else
idk what the convo is
I just saw something secondary and my brain turned off
fickle girder
Inane as it can get
shy pecan
You definitely donāt feel that energy regen from haste
vast basin
what stat prio u guys finding best for m+ as assa atm? Mastery / haste or Mastery / crit?
shy pecan
what stat prio u guys finding best for m+ as assa atm? Mastery / haste or Master...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
fickle girder
balmy condor
10% haste is 2 apm pog
if we just had like
70% haste
we wouldn't run out of energy
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pliant remnant
what stat prio u guys finding best for m+ as assa atm? Mastery / haste or Master...
Yes.
fickle girder
Listen, I was only pointing out how it's the only stat that doesn't just give you "increased dmg"
modest gale
What do u think guys which hero talent will be more played in general
fickle girder
Templar
pliant remnant
Nah bro, Archon
balmy condor
Listen, I was only pointing out how it's the only stat that doesn't just give yo...
it's close enough 
fickle girder
it's close enough <:kek:915029250854256641>
balmy condor
What do u think guys which hero talent will be more played in general
deathstalker cause all the sweaty m+ gamer nerds will be cumming in their pants for prio
shy pecan
Zacās typing, run
fickle girder
I like Fatebunda
shy pecan
80% haste 8.3
Kinda want corruption back
shy pecan
balmy condor
the patch assassination exploded
thank god no amount of stats could ever make crimson tempest worth in single target
at least we're safe from that
shy pecan
midnight mist
apparently rogue sims are not precise
thats not true, outlaw sims are accurate, you people just have to start understanding what a sim is and what their purpose are, a sim in the end is still just a dummy patchwerk fight of 5min with 0 downtime. You are not supposed to look at sims numbers to compare specs or classes.
we saw very extreme examples in admidrassils with fights having very long extended downtime, damage amp phases etc which goes way beyond what a sim is simming for
pliant remnant
8.3 was when I actually started properly playing WoW for the first time and not being omega casual
modest gale
Assa might be picked up in m+ considering arcane and fdk got nerfed
pliant remnant
and my first weekly box had Geti'ikku with Twilight Dev on it IIRC
balmy condor
thats not true, outlaw sims are accurate, you people just have to start understa...
tell em frenchie 
pliant remnant
The first time I waltzed into a key with that
balmy condor
based
pliant remnant
hooooly
balmy condor
you spent 3 hours typing that
balmy condor
yeah I know
shy pecan
Itās only 7pm here
modest gale
Started typing at midnight
balmy condor
when you type more than 3 words per message