assassination

[vague portal]

again DO NOT craft anything , just wait

[haughty flicker]

mainhand probably most valuable

[haughty flicker]

brother the 590 takes lfr crests

and costs nothing

[dire ivy]

its not the spark item

[vague portal]

i mean idk , because the ah is broken so , i have no mats, i dont even know how the ah looks like anymore

[dire ivy]

i payed like 20k for one mainhand 590 item and then wondered which is second best 😄

[vale shore]

Why craft one when you can have two for twice the price?

[slate crown]

AH is up as of an hour ago

[vague portal]

shit.. i havent been able to open teh ah since EA ended

[slate crown]

I mean ,it's been up all morning

[dark token]

"up"

I can still barely buy anything

[slate crown]

sure

it's rough

[dire ivy]

worked for me fine, eu tho

maybe its different in na

[slate crown]

Honestly NA isn't that bad rn

it WAS awful last night

[errant night]

hey, does anyone know if there is a weakaura to track Darkest Night? (the last hero talent in DS)

[slate crown]

it's also morning on a weekday in NA so low traffic

[slate crown]

!wa It's a buff on your player, you can make one very easily from the templates. If you want to grab one the packs here will all have something for it you can take out

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[grim jay]

lisonna, may I dm you for a weakaura?

[errant night]

thanks, will try

[slate crown]

sure, no promises but we can chat

[pliant terrace]

how do I get the deathstalker role

[limber lion]

From the pins

First pin

[nova aspen]

oldest pin

[minor swift]

DTB rly needed?

[past forum]

Wish we could have dn as a role

[pliant terrace]

sweet thank you

[subtle tundra]

not how it works, theres plenty of viable builds without dtb
i meant that you picked amp and you only go amp with dtb

[minor swift]

but why

it doesnt benefit in anyway?

[subtle tundra]

cause amp is not very good?

theres deadly available

[minor swift]

a

deadly > amp

thanks

but then

this shouldnt be too bad?

[subtle tundra]

theres already like 10 builds by whispyr

[minor swift]

(yes ik whispyr has one alrdy made)

[earnest canopy]

This shit starting to be realy anoying

Look how i used 7 combo points and boss didnt get deathstalker mark after

[minor swift]

if u killed target with it it doesnt get back up

[subtle tundra]

if you keep asking what you can do better we are eventually gonna end up with a build from whispyr

[earnest canopy]

He is still alive

[vague portal]

does whisper have the M+ talents but the fatebound version?

[nova aspen]

whose weak aura pack is that

i could vibe with it 😄

[slate crown]

That's an... older version of mine?

[placid adder]

Yes check his YouTube

[nova aspen]

oh interesting

[slate crown]

Darkest night icon is just slightly shifted down I think from default

but otherwise it's mine

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[vague portal]

any vid in particular or just look at the talent setup when he pop the talents up?

[placid adder]

A to z dungeons imo watch the whole video but that’s just me

[vague portal]

ty

[nova aspen]

ill check it out after work ty

its colorful

[minor swift]

curious how much you guys single target dps in fights?

[spice spire]

Deathstalker sucks yeah but

Why we CTing ST king?

[sudden swan]

If I'm understanding this video correctly your 7 point finisher was rupture. Only envenom consumes darkest night.

[regal sable]

are there any sims or opinions out there on DMF trinkets?

[cyan summit]

whats the best daggers u can have at the moment ?

[keen marsh]

the one that sims the best with your current stats

[fiery mauve]

Isn't it already on him from the ambush

[cyan summit]

is this worth enchanting with Authority of depth 3* ?

[cyan summit]

i mean usually ur just aiming for crit , mas now since everything dies quick

[spice surge]

That enchant isnt available until the raid opens

[spice surge]

Idk enchant it if you want, youll be replacing it quickly when m+ and m0 opens

[cyan summit]

i have this

[scenic nacelle]

thats not depths

[cyan summit]

oh shi xD

[fiery mauve]

[cyan summit]

gg

[fluid smelt]

I'm not gonna enchant anything yet. Gear isn't worth it and the prices are insane if you're not an enchanter.

[cyan summit]

at this moment he knew...

[fiery mauve]

just let the man blast his heroics

[cyan summit]

xD

[fluid smelt]

I mean pop off lol.

[cyan summit]

ye i got the goldd

[sweet dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5RBQZCztFGirTPv8DyUkZp is the sigil of algari really better?

[cyan summit]

no clue , i heard egg and siget is better

[digital venture]

Is there a platter script or mod that puts an icon or mark on targets that are good to KB (a.k.a targets that have high HP compared to the mobs around them?)

[sweet dust]

i have the egg and its simming lower

[limpid badge]

Aye so tell me if I’m doing something wrong but if I have my cap stone from a previous pack and 1 stack on a fresh mark, when I consume the mark/stack they both disappear. Sound like a bug?

[fluid smelt]

Ya it's a bug

[arctic socket]

I’m just using egg n signet and being happy

We believe in egg supremacy

[cyan summit]

whats ur dps like

[arctic socket]

In what sense

St?

Aoe

The sim?

[cyan summit]

aoe

[arctic socket]

I mean it’s heroic dungeons… so hard to say but I mean actively 1m+ easy

[limpid badge]

Cuz it should consume the cap that I have and then give me another no?

[arctic socket]

Overall I’m doing around 700-900k

Single target sim says I should do around 700k dps

[sturdy crater]

What ilvl?

[fluid smelt]

Yes. It should reapply marks. But if you kill something and the mark is consumed at the same time it won't give you dn atm. I find it better to just not consume the mark if my target is about to die. Or if there is a higher hp mob in the pull and you have DN just transfer it to them

[lucid rune]

So Fatebound is fine in M+? Deathstalker if I want more ST/prio damage?

[fluid smelt]

Over all I avoid low hp targets in pulls to help prevent dn from bugging

[cobalt sphinx]

ds is better but fatebound is almost purely passive so you can't mess it up

[arctic socket]

479

[lucid rune]

I can't get used to the ambush opener instead of garrote

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah fatebound will probably be completely fine at all levels

[lucid rune]

or do you just ambush the prio target and garrote the rest?

[arctic socket]

Tou just have to ambush once

[cobalt sphinx]

you only ambush one target

[arctic socket]

Then you get a buff

[cobalt sphinx]

you can only have one mark out

[sturdy crater]

Meh, I gotta start gearing. Im only like 565 and doing like 555k overall, but

[arctic socket]

and you send a 7cp envemon to go into next group

[lucid rune]

so it's a buff? not a debuff on the target?

[fluid smelt]

Dsm is a debuff. Dn is a buff

[dense lodge]

The simming has been completely throwing me off big time. Like the darkmoon trinkets Sim like shit yet everyone has them

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

(Ignore me)

[sweet dust]

well symbiosis is simming pretty good for me

[cobalt sphinx]

ravenous honey buzzer is the best simming trinket

but you gotta be a god damn psycho to run that

[spice spire]

[cerulean nest]

it’s not that bad lol

just hit it then shadow step back

[dense lodge]

Kek it's what I'm running purely cause of the Sim 😂

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah one more fix

[arctic socket]

Deez nuuuutz

[thorn fjord]

Next one is the one guys

I FEEL IT

[nova aspen]

[arctic socket]

I’m happy with my egg sac n signet

😄

Can’t wait to farm grim batol for hours

To get that one…

[thorn fjord]

Can i see your egg sac Thresh?

👀

[spice spire]

Nice

[arctic socket]

😦 I don’t have any tho

[lucid rune]

So Deathstalker's main difference is muti/ambush on the first target?

[arctic socket]

No egg sac 😦

[arctic socket]

You open up with ambush

[crimson crest]

!macros

[arctic socket]

After the Ambush opener you apply a debuff… when the target dies you get a buff you then have to use a 7cp even to re apply it

Buff that you get lasts for 30 seconds

[lucid rune]

ahhh

[arctic socket]

Bosses you will kinda always open with ambush tho

I do anyways

[lucid rune]

the 7cp Env reapplies the mark on another target?

[arctic socket]

[fluid smelt]

Yes

[crimson crest]

are there any good macros that ppl use?

[arctic socket]

Yes

[lucid rune]

ahhh thats kinda cool

[fluid smelt]

It's the only way you can transfer the mark besides stealth ambush

[lucid rune]

are we targetting highest health mob?

[arctic socket]

It’s also the only way to keep mark up on single target bosses

[arctic socket]

Similar to kb

[fluid smelt]

I tend too. But that is to minimize it bugging out and disappearing

[vivid crown]

unless you have a priority burn yes

[lucid rune]

Okay that's good

man I'm so glad we don't have shadow dance to worry about. this makes things a bit more straightforward

[arctic socket]

Honestly with how buggy it is atm

[grim jay]

you do realize that you troll yourself in that video right?

[arctic socket]

Dance would be nice to have lmao

[grim jay]

you literally did the only thing

that would cancel out your marks

from what I can see

[thorn fjord]

TELL EM

[fiery mauve]

In fatebound we trust

[grim jay]

never

[fiery mauve]

Even whispyr agrees

[grim jay]

nope

[fiery mauve]

[grim jay]

he literally advocates for ER fix because DS feels great then

who tf cares for role icons

[thorn fjord]

I do

I GOT A BANDANA

[grim jay]

you are special anyway

in a good way

[lucid rune]

so i should be fine having ambush in place of muti on my stealth bar?

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

well you need to press it aswell if you play deathstalker

[vivid crown]

i haven't played sub for like 6 years, i just picked a random icon

[grim jay]

only having it there wont help

[arctic socket]

@thorn fjord

[fluid smelt]

You don't need mutilate on stealth bar

[arctic socket]

@thorn fjord got you homie

[thorn fjord]

PRAISE!!!!!

[grim jay]

as deathstalker he needs it

[nova aspen]

[grim jay]

what are you talking about

and as fatebound its irrelevant

[arctic socket]

Blizzard knew what they were doin

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah they did

[lucid rune]

sometimes mutilate is stronger than ambush in stealth, for the extra cp's

not sure what the deal is now

[fluid smelt]

What do we need mutilate on stealth for? Unless I'm missing something

[thorn fjord]

We're not running subterfuge and you're going to want to generally cast ambush or Gar coming out of stealth

So yeah muti is kinda useless on your stealth bar rn

[fluid smelt]

That'd what I thought.. but maybe I was about to learn something new

[thorn fjord]

FB doesnt run subterfuge does it?

[grim jay]

forget what I said

[high pulsar]

what is the wep enchant ppl get nowadays?

[grim jay]

I read too much troll stuff these days

so I did read yours wrong

apologies

[fluid smelt]

All good homie

[arctic socket]

The cheapest one

[misty torrent]

Are there a place where we can ask for crafts? Because.. My god I don't wanna go around killing poor animals to rip their flesh from bones to craft leather. Primarily because of the time it would take

[grim jay]

crafting orders

or /2

[thorn fjord]

trade chat

In game

before you go crazy trying to find it in disc lol

[errant hawk]

!wa

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[patent igloo]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[misty torrent]

Thanks, that was exactly the info I needed 😄

[polar timber]

is pi mega ass for us now just simmed it and it was like 4%

did that kingsbane change really nuke it that hard

[solid venture]

!wa

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[hollow moss]

!wa

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[jaunty dew]

Had a curious discussion with guild mates about the ring (Seal of the Poisoned Pact) and which class might benefit most out of the cantrip.
Oddly enough - it simmed better for an Afflication warlock than an Assassination rogue (which makes a very strong case since a lot of nature dmg = more procs)

[primal jolt]

YOOO YOU GOT THAT FRONT PIC TOO

YOOO

i put the back shot on my discord wallpaper background thing

[thorn fjord]

We dont gain any advantage from items and our kit

like if a trinket or ring or whatever does nature dmg

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[thorn fjord]

it wont affect kb

or w/e

[jaunty dew]

No but if you deal nature dmg you can proc the ring more often

[thorn fjord]

yeah true

[jaunty dew]

So makes less sense to give it to a fire mage of rogue/enhancement/boomkin

[chrome mirage]

Slice N Dice is now a passive. Activates after 5sec in combat. Buff is permanent as long as you remain in combat, turns into a 30sec lingering buff once combat ends.

There, I fixed SnD

Sorry, really stone atm.

[cerulean nest]

so sanguine here being above VV is a mistake in sims in some way?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tbXSLvcyxy5vdZ6zpVEybJ

[past forum]

From what I understand, the icd on the nature damage granting an extra stack part is high enough that we don’t proc it significantly more often then everyone else will proc it just from the venomous potential damage

[lucid rune]

Do we always take ER with DS?

[jaunty dew]

Yeah it make sense that it'll have some kind of icd to prevent it from being abused by faster paced classes

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty dew]

But still, if a class oes NO nature dmg, no sense to give it to them.

[past forum]

They do nature damage with the ring itself

[jaunty dew]

Although there is that new oil which gives nature dmg to melee

Only for 3 seconds

[west willow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWKMX1vLnRbjRsy8husP3J

trying to figure out why there are some trinkets simming a lot higher than sacbrood

[shrewd perch]

am i reading this right, only Ambush procs Deathstalkers mark ?

[scenic nacelle]

from stealth, yes

[lucid rune]

Wait… singular focus works with spatter…? 🫶🏻

[cinder pebble]

Engi Wrists playable? 😄

[dense cove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/479VKraLJfFMZU1XhfwBFa
how am i looking?

[thorn fjord]

double on use brother 😦

[west willow]

Is Fatebound better with less gear or something?

[nova aspen]

why would u suggest that

[west willow]

i misread a quicksim and got confused

my b

[strange python]

I've been trying to understand the rotation by reading wowhead and other resources, and I think got a decent enough grasp. But I feel like I'm still lacking a bit. Can anyone take the time to show me the rotation?

[arctic socket]

Twinfang is horrible

I hate that trinket

[viscid breach]

why is the sim fokin in st deathstalker?

[nova aspen]

clear the witness talent in deathstalker tree

[strange python]

I have that and sudden demise.

[nova aspen]

sry i was answering Parks

[strange python]

Anything I should change, here?

[strange python]

Sorry for the misconception.

[nova aspen]

do u have confusion with the rotation or the opener?

[strange python]

Regular rotation.

[dense lodge]

When it says 1 variation hidden on raidbots does that mean theres another change that needs to be made in order for that value to be correct?

[strange python]

Opener is simple. Stealth - Ambush - Garrote - Rupture - Slice

Echoing Rep - Fan - Envenom

Use mutilate to build cp

[pliant terrace]

if you can figure out the opener, the rotation is literally the opener minus pressing your cooldowns

[strange python]

Deathmark - Shiv - Kingsbane

[nova aspen]

its just build CP and then envenom after that, while trying to stay under 50% energy as deathstalker

and maintain your bleeds

[strange python]

Yeah that's pretty much what I do.

[pliant terrace]

you just keep up envenom and your bleeds. there's not much to the rotation.

[strange python]

If I go below 50% I use thistle tea.

[nova aspen]

yep thats all there is to it, and then force a 7 CP envenom when you have DN buff active

[strange python]

DN?

[nova aspen]

darkest night

[strange python]

Ah okay.

[nova aspen]

the capstone in deathstalker

[strange python]

Well, actually. If I have anima charged CP I can use envenom and it counts as having 7 cp.

[pliant terrace]

nope

bugged

[nova aspen]

u would think

[strange python]

That's what I was TOLD

[nova aspen]

[strange python]

WTF

[nova aspen]

that should work but it doesn't, currently

[strange python]

Omg, that's why I'm not simming like I should.

I've been doing that this whole time.

[pliant terrace]

anima charges don't even count towards the 5cp threshold you need to spend stacks on your deathmark. It's really dumb.

[strange python]

Makes me want to not use echoing reprimand.

[dense cove]

It actually simmed better that way for some reason, but I would agree it doesn’t seem right.

[nova aspen]

yea u just envenom at 5+ CP and then 7 with DN

and basically ignore anima charge unless u wanna reapply rupture with it

[strange python]

Should I take the Bleed talent build?

Right now I am using delve/open-world

[pliant terrace]

for mythic + yeah

[strange python]

Oh gotcha.

[glass osprey]

how is assa vs outlaw rn_

?

[nova aspen]

people do spec out of it and go to cold blood instead

[glass osprey]

for dungeon content

[strange python]

Wait, someone said Bleed/Delve build was practically the same?

[nova aspen]

but then when u go cold blood u might as well go fatebound

😛

[strange python]

Oh for the hero talents?

Is that what you do Malarki?

[nova aspen]

yea, i macro coldblood to envenom and play fatebound currently

waiting for ER bug

[robust axle]

Whats the ER bug

[strange python]

When you have anima charged cp they don't count as 7 when envemoning

It's bugged.

[normal lotus]

Is there currently a viable spec without ER?

[nova aspen]

they do count as 7 cp envenom still, but it doesnt consume darkest night

[pliant terrace]

Anima charges don't work with deathstalker at all.

[robust axle]

Well thats lame

[west willow]

my outlaw sim is ~300k dps higher than my assa sim in slice

[dusk ingot]

yeah wow... thats insane

[west willow]

[dusk ingot]

didn't realize that bug was happening till i read here...

[fast olive]

shouldn’t we just take reverberation if we are mostly ignoring anima charges?

[robust axle]

So CB for now I guess

[strange python]

I'm about to change er.

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[grim jay]

and we dont ignore them

[strange python]

I just did took one point off er and threw it on lethality.

Or wait, should I take reverberation?

[grim jay]

no

[strange python]

I took my point off resounding clarity and threw it into lethality.

Is that bad?

[grim jay]

its what the command says you should do

[normal mist]

yes

oh the chat wasnt updated lol

my bad for @ you then

[strange python]

Should I be taking the ST build or the delve build? The ST build doesn't use sudden demise.

[nova aspen]

personally i am using hybrid for all content

[strange python]

That's what I want. A build usuable for all content.

[nova aspen]

and then ST raid tree for the raid, and swapping the one talent with spatter for raid cleave

[nova aspen]

i think the delve build is the hybrid build

which is IC, SD, kingsbane, amp poison

[strange python]

Yeah it is.

What is IC, SD?

[nova aspen]

indiscriminate carnage, sudden demise

[strange python]

Gotcha.

[subtle tundra]

Shadow dance yuppi

[strange python]

I should be using amp poison and deadly poison. right?

[shy pecan]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[royal lantern]

deadly poison + whatever poisons you skill

you would not skill them if you would not use them, right

[strange python]

What is DTB?

[nova aspen]

bottom middle talent

[shy pecan]

Dragon-Tempered Blades.

[strange python]

Oh yeah.

I have DTB so.

[nova aspen]

yea so u can put 4 poisons on

[strange python]

What???

[nova aspen]

deadly/amp/crippling/numbing or atrophic

[strange python]

I've only been using two...

wtfff

-_-

Glad I came here.

[nova aspen]

2 dmg and 2 utility

[royal lantern]

wow players and yugioh players are untied by 1 fact

they dont read

its normal, dont worry

[strange python]

This is my first time ever playing rogue.

I boosted it just to use it for TWW and give it a shot.

Now I am in love.

[nova aspen]

bleeds and poisons are satisfying

like a melee affliction lock almost

dot it up and then rot it out

only rot is envenom

that can cleave

[solid venture]

so if i get it right, we dont care to finish on the animacharged cp rn due to bug? just slam 5cp+ envenoms and 7 for dn?

[royal lantern]

ofc you finish on them

you only ignore it when you have the capstone ready

[solid venture]

o7

[true hearth]

Hello guys, I have problems with the hybrid build in big pulls to do high damage, what rotation do you follow?

[cinder pebble]

I guess is has been answered like 10000 times a day but Fatebound feels so much better than deathstalker. Is is because of the current "gear" or because I am trash?

[fiery mauve]

It's because coins are cool

[royal lantern]

deathstalker has some kinda cringe requirments build in with ambush on pull + the forced max cp finisher for the capstone

fatebound is 200% passive with no impact on your gameplay at all

[fluid smelt]

Ambush, garrote, rupture, garrote, rupture, mutilate ambushed target, fok, ct, single target rotation with kingsbane.

[cinder pebble]

So its because I play trash 😄 ty 🙂

[fluid smelt]

For aoe specifically

[novel dragon]

Agreed. But like opening with Ambush and doing a 7cp envenom every now and then isn't really like that big of a deal for way better dps

[true hearth]

yes aoe

[fluid smelt]

^

[cinder pebble]

Yes but I didnt track the "mark" for when to use a full cp env

[velvet sinew]

!wa

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel dragon]

I use a weakaura to track it. There's a buff you get that'll let you know you need to swing a 7cp envenom

[dense lodge]

Which WA?

[novel dragon]

I make my own lol :/

[cinder pebble]

Yeah just got myself the naowh WA but I am looking for nice WAs gonna check the pinned ones

[royal lantern]

tbf, the 7cp thing just really kills the flow, it feels like as if you are constantly fighting for CP

[novel dragon]

But if you're curious the aura on you is called "Darkest Night", it lasts for like 20 seconds.

You can make a WA to track if that aura is on you and if so, put something flashy around envenom

[haughty lantern]

so in my opener, hekili keeps telling me to use rupture at 5 combo points

I'm not trying to use hekili as law, just as a guideline. should i be rupturing at 5 combo or should i build it up to 7? I'm trying to understand the logic behind what hekili is telling me

like learning how to bowl with the lane bumpers up

[novel dragon]

Yea it's kinda annoying- it will be better when ER anima CPs count for it

[granite leaf]

Should we consume blindside procs with ambush or just ignore them? It's not clear from my reading

[fluid smelt]

Most spenders you wanna use at 5 to 7. Except DN.

[novel dragon]

Yes you should use them Ambush does like 2x damage than mut and the proc is free

[past forum]

ambush replaces mutilate when you have the proc

[cinder pebble]

But will ER count as full CP? Yes, right?

[granite leaf]

Cool, I thought that would be the case 😄

[haughty lantern]

DN? *sorry im still memorizing abreviations)

[novel dragon]

for everything but the capstone at the moment lol

[fluid smelt]

Darkest night

[haughty lantern]

ohhhh the thing we use tor eapply mark right?

[fluid smelt]

Yi

[cinder pebble]

Ah cool 😂 "atm" means its not intended

[novel dragon]

I'm assuming it's not intended lol- it's gotta be a bug unless they literally need you to have 7cp, which I think is stupid

[dense lodge]

Is it easy to create yourself? I've never tried

[orchid cedar]

so when is the best time to use the delve keys?

[fluid smelt]

Ya that's the only exception to 5 to 7 cp. Because it requires 7(or max)

[orchid cedar]

M0 week or next week with season 1?

[nova aspen]

september 10th, and on t8+

[haughty lantern]

just use mitosis dude, never created a dupe of yourself?

[novel dragon]

They're not too bad

This is the import string for assasssination buffs I use

[vague portal]

should i open the boxes from teh weekly and the special assigments? or should i wait to higher ilvl ro next week?

[fluid smelt]

I'd wait until we can do delve +8

[valid moss]

Any sims/spreadsheet regarding which item to craft with first Spark?

[cinder pebble]

But if I am required to open with ambush (?) does not being able to stealth make a bigger impact then? Or still the "same"

[cinder pebble]

like whisp explained some vids ago

[dense lodge]

Just use double vanish instead of ER for these heroic dungeons

[royal lantern]

no

no

no

fuck no

stop saying that

[cinder pebble]

😄

[royal lantern]

double vanish is the biggest troll you can do

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

you legit throw 4 talent points into the wind for nothing

legit nothing

if you dont like ER, take points in Lethality

[dense lodge]

Tanks literally chain pulling the whole dungeon

[royal lantern]

mate

dont make us bring it up again

we do it all the time

[haughty lantern]

SLOW DOWN, LET ME RESTEALTH NUMNUTTS

[nova aspen]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

just trust me when i say, double vanish is the most stupid thing you could do in this game

espacialy: its NOT 2x more vanish

its 1 CHARGE of vanish

[lean hill]

You can use Darkest Night to refresh if you can't use Ambush, not that difficult

[royal lantern]

aka, 1 more usage

[haughty lantern]

except it is b/c im still a scrub

BUT there is always room for improvement

[lean hill]

Just track it, it lasts what, 30 seconds?

[past forum]

maybe it's a problem with accidentally finishing too early (who hasn't been there amirite)

[novel dragon]

you can finish a pack of mobs without this buff

[royal lantern]

its not "you can use vanish 2x now" its "you have 1 charge with 2min CD, and the CD is still normal"

you literally get 1 or MAXIMUM 2 addiotnal uses of vanish trought out an entire dungeon (and 1 on a raidboss) for 4(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) talent points

its the biggest talent point waste in the entiure game

you could legit click 4 random talents and it would be better

[hexed frost]

So many subterfuge haters in this gayme

[nova aspen]

tryan relax lilbro

[woven onyx]

I wish I could just rely on caustic spatter, and indisc. I hate CT

[proven jasper]

Tis just completely useless for sin 🤷🏼‍♂️

[royal lantern]

im explaining

[nova aspen]

the restealth command i think conveys the message also

[hexed frost]

People go down the subterfuge route not for the dumb double vanish but for subterfuge windows.

Some random mob or CC breaking stealth, brain afk tanks etc. Are annoying though

[proven jasper]

Subterfuge does nothing for assa rn tho

[royal lantern]

subterfuge does NOTHING for assa

lol

[hexed frost]

Having extra window to apply stalker marks

[proven jasper]

It literally does nothing dawg

[royal lantern]

that is literally 1 of the reasons why its so fucking bad, subterfuge has 0 value

[novel dragon]

you already get 6 seconds of garrotes/ruptures out of stealth from the sin tree lmao

[proven jasper]

^^

[novel dragon]

putting points into subterfuge is only for if you shat down your leg and forgot to open with ambush for hero talent

[hexed frost]

Ambush window to apply marks

[vague portal]

why it seems my dps is lower in fate than in DS

[proven jasper]

Just ambush first

be smart

[novel dragon]

Ambush first then. And you can only mark one target- you can't multi mark

[strange python]

Aw man, this rotation feels so much better now.

[nova aspen]

double vanish and subt is only there for outlaw (and maybe sub?)

[woven onyx]

I still smoothbrain with garrote and then wanna delete myself

[proven jasper]

Its there for dust sub

[woven onyx]

Feels awful

[proven jasper]

Idk about outlul

[hexed frost]

I do, but not when I drop stealth for some random reason

[royal lantern]

sub with dust yeha, cus dust itself reduces vanish cd aswell

[haughty lantern]

this makes me wonder, should i ALWAYS ambush out of stealth? or does improved garrote only happen in stealth and doesn't apply to the 6 second window of IC?

[novel storm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[nova aspen]

yea its a dead talent for sin, only useful for the other 2 specs

[royal lantern]

you can, garrote still has its buffs

[proven jasper]

Ambush comes first and then garrotes

[haughty lantern]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

mate, in dungeons outside of the 1-2 pulls, all your marks will come from the capstone anyway

[haughty lantern]

trying to just not blindly follow hekili and actually learn the spec

[royal lantern]

delete hekili rn

[proven jasper]

Yeah ive noticed about like 70% of my marks are from capstone

[royal lantern]

you will instantly do more dmg

[haughty lantern]

no

[proven jasper]

[lucid rune]

I was so set on feral this tier, but I might come back home to sin…

[haughty lantern]

i've been plaing sin rogue for literally less than a week. i still want my training wheels

[royal lantern]

like, im not even joking

hekili has negative impact on your dmg AND gameplay

[hexed frost]

Haven't played with subterfuge since like day 2 of early access. Idk how much damage difference is there

[royal lantern]

you learn nothing AND you do less then you would do if you just press random shit

[dense lodge]

Alright I've taken up ER. Will either abuse tanks or commit seppuku if can't restealth packs

[earnest canopy]

if any one want i have very good plater + i removed all the debuffs that are not importent to track for aoe
so it will be easyer to know which mob need to apply bleeds on

[pliant coral]

i am sad at how slow feral is playing right now, i think they went a little too overboard on the spec slowdown...so now i am giving rogue a try 😅

[royal lantern]

assassination is literally build around slowing down on purpose

[haughty lantern]

tbf feral is just sin rogue with cat ears

[royal lantern]

feral/assa are the only 2 specs in the entire game that do that

[hexed frost]

The cinderbee fel rush trinket is doing some big damage for me

[royal lantern]

lol

[hexed frost]

🐝

[pliant coral]

it doesn't feel super fast, but it definitely feels faster than feral right now! (at least imo!)

[haughty lantern]

im actually half tempted to grab it, it's the only trinket simming higher for me rn than broodsac + imperfect ascension

[royal lantern]

im pretty sure feral is faster then assa lol

[pliant coral]

it might also just feel fast because idk what i'm doing

lol

[hexed frost]

I have an imperfect ascension lying around, is it good?

[austere sorrel]

I will say that the slowness on feral felt bad to me, and does not feel bad on sin

[slow echo]

Is echoing reprimand charged envenom still not consuming darkest night?

[royal lantern]

@shrewd night meownar, is feral faster then assa, yes no? (pls dont ban for ping, still love you and its a actual question for once)

[gaunt sparrow]

any idea what to craft with the first spark ?

[hexed frost]

Nope

[royal lantern]

nothing rn

[limber creek]

rocket bee may not sim the highest but boy it sure does a lot for my fun per second meters

[haughty lantern]

i also LOVE bees. my grandpa was a life long apiarist (bee keeper)

[austere sorrel]

I feel like feral has a lot more to manage, so when you are energy starved, and things are about to fall off, if feels bad, to me

[hidden meadow]

Anyone who would be down to help me understand pooling correctly on ST? (Used to be Ret main but gonna play assa in prog)

[gaunt sparrow]

ye thought so

thanks

[nova aspen]

i wish the bee dungeon was in S1

[pliant coral]

maybe it's just the illusion of speed having so many combo points in the first few seconds of leaving stealth to spread around garrottes and oops rupture not ambushes?

[strange python]

Yeah I didn't know I shoud've ambushed, garrote, rupture, garrote, rupture into er, fan, and then at that point I have 7 cp to use on envenom.

It's so much better.

Thanks y'all.

[nova aspen]

[dense lodge]

Wish blizz would just give mobs a 100% HP increase on heroics

[opaque sigil]

Is it ok to ask for WA help here?

[haughty lantern]

no, you'll get banished to the shadow realm

in all seriousness yes but i am NOT the person to ask

i can do this tho

[nova aspen]

[haughty lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[bright dew]

we skated by boys

no nerfs

[proven jasper]

Any bug fixes tho

[nova aspen]

🐛 stalker

[proven jasper]

[feral mason]

i mean theres a large amount of bugs where people have no idea how to reproduce them

[opaque sigil]

I want to track how many Garrotes or Ruptures i have active on my targets, so i made this trigger on a Text WA and have it display Stacks. I have %s and the triger is active, but i dont see the number.. What am i doing wrong?

[feral mason]

blizzard definitely isnt figuring that out themselves

so uh get to work

[proven jasper]

I mainly mean the big one

With er/deathstalker

[feral mason]

You can play around that

it sucks sure

[proven jasper]

yeah i mean of course u can

Just asking

[feral mason]

the DN disappearing / mobs not granting it upon death

is way more urgent

[proven jasper]

[feral mason]

if ts happens mid big pull in m+

id end it all

[proven jasper]

alt f4

Idc

Same

[hexed frost]

This is extremely annoying man

[opaque sigil]

I actually imported it in wago.io. It is supped to track total of Garrotes and Ruptures on targets but it doesnt work. Any ideas? https://wago.io/OTr2iPwRh

[final vapor]

so what are we playing in m+ Deathstalker or fate?

[grim jay]

are you like

just jumping on the train of that one person before

that clearly triggered that circumstance himself

or are you now randomly losing marks aswell?

[feral mason]

no? I've been talking about this for the last week

has been happening constantly

multiple instances in logs

[grim jay]

didnt happen to me once

[nova aspen]

both are good

[zealous jay]

Idk about your WA but look for a mark of the crane WA, haven't played ww in a while but it used to do just that

[final vapor]

ait thanks

[golden marten]

is it worth it to focusn on 10% Haste when m0 will open, or 27% crit 6%Haste 40% mastery is ok?

[pallid goblet]

if u play fatebound, is it fine to macro cold blood with envenom?

[proven jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

the earlier guy caused it himself by opening with ambush while having darkest night up aswell and consuming the last mark with the darkest night active

which then cancels eachother

[proven jasper]

@golden marten

[nova aspen]

yep, it is only a minor dps loss

[fast olive]

can someone help me understand why we don’t mutilate before shiv/envenom for caustic splatter in deathstalker aoe with bone spike opener?

[grim jay]

because there is nothing worthwhile to spatter

and you wanna get your cds running

[feral mason]

nah bug one has something to do with hitting fairly low hp mobs

[dense lodge]

Omg for anyone dumb like me if you haven't updated the WA pack from dragonflight it's why the pack isn't showing the DN buff etc lol 😂

[feral mason]

sending 7cp envenom and mark just doesnt apply at all

even when they survive it

other thing is when mobs die with mark up while they arent your target (not 100% consistent)

[grim jay]

they allegedly fixed that and it never happened to me either

only if I killed them with the envenom

or they died right at that time

[lapis bramble]

how many targets should fan of knives be used on? 3+?

[feral mason]

even this should give DN back

it reapplies DN if you kill them with the DN proc

[nova aspen]

yes, or if u have clear the witnesses up

[feral mason]

and then clears it manually

either its intended or a very odd bug

[royal lantern]

3+ yes

[grim jay]

it consumes the buff to increase envenom dmg and only after the instance of damage, the marks get applied

[opaque sigil]

You are a god

[grim jay]

so if it dies with that instance, there is nothing to apply

[feral mason]

yeah but your DN still gets refreshed from a mob dying with marks

i have log screenshots 1sec

[uneven plume]

Successfully vanished tuning changes

[fickle girder]

Plenty of time

[feral mason]

@grim jay

it just clears itself even though you got it back

[grim jay]

the question is what the log uses as a trigger to count that event

if it just triggers on buff consumption

it still is like I said before

[opaque sigil]

I just realized the mark gets reset with that

[grim jay]

you can also delete it with that

if you have darkest night up and you consume your last mark with the 7cp darkest night

[hexed frost]

So I shouldn't start a pack with ambush if I have darkest night up?

[grim jay]

you shouldnt anyways

you always wanna play darkest night if you can

[orchid cedar]

they should fix DN

or improve it better said

if you do the killing blow to something with DN up

it should reset itself

and fix the ER bugs pls

[haughty flicker]

the thing with your target dying will be a lot less prevalent once we're doing actual content that doesnt die instantly

but yeah hopefully er works soon

[orchid cedar]

it will but why should you get punished for that

in the event that it happens

when you aren't really doing anything wrong

[haughty flicker]

i mean you will be doing something wrong if that happens in keys

its just hard to avoid atm because one envemon kills shit

[strong wing]

which dungeon is the fastest to farm daggers?

[indigo meadow]

just craft 2 590 daggers

ez

[strong wing]

that's a bit troll isnt it? we have both bis daggers early on raid

[indigo meadow]

you dont have to use sparks

you just use the weathered lfr crests you get from heroic dungeons

you wont ever use them again in like 2 weeks so why not use them now

[strong wing]

lol didnt know

[nimble hollow]

do you always need to start with ambush or can you go right into garrote rupture

[royal lantern]

because it costs a good chunk of gold for no reason?

[eager solstice]

Is the consensus just deathstalker is better in higher keys for prio dmg if tank allows restealth? If not fatebound is just more consistent performance?

[hearty reef]

Evasionbros?

[strong wing]

ironclaw stiletto right?

[toxic tiger]

dirk. stiletto is int

[strong wing]

oh shit

true

[kindred steeple]

Can someone explain when does rupture return combo points?

[ripe rapids]

It is from serrated bone spike

[novel dragon]

There is no combo point return if the target dies early. There is combo point generation from rupture because it puts Serrated Bone Spike on the target. And when you use it under Indiscriminate Carnage it'll throw three of em out there and remember if they crit thats another combo point. So the first rupture that chucks out all 3 of your SBS stacks will generate 3+ CP

[deft geyser]

I played assa in beta and during m+ the single target feels so bad because u have so much downtime, did I do something wrong or is it normal not having energy for 1-3 globals?
Talking about m+

[indigo meadow]

someone in my guild does it all for free we just buy the mats its not that bad.

[dense lodge]

anyone know what this bottle symbol is?

[spring prawn]

its like

4k gold per item

[dense lodge]

srz hard to see with the screen captured

[spring prawn]

peanuts

[royal lantern]

4k that you could use for literally anything else then some throwaway gear

[novel dragon]

sin damage profile is burst heavy around deathmark and kingsbane. Outside of that you're just maintaining DoTs and chilling.

[royal lantern]

apply poisons mate

[pallid whale]

ragu

[haughty lantern]

like...the sauce?

[dense lodge]

kekw

[potent inlet]

are there any end game/bis gear sims put together to look at?

[haughty lantern]

yes, check wowhead

iirc whysper put that "Set" together

[potent inlet]

where on wowhead? i was looking through the sin pages but didn't see any sims

[haughty lantern]

you want sims for gear we don't even have access to yet?

it's just theoretical bis based on beta data and stats on gear (i think, i'm no sin expert or anything)

[shy pecan]

BIS lists are just something for SEO and getting clicks for wowhead these days. They’re not actually anything worthwhile because they’re an old concept. Simming is always your most accurate answer.

[haughty lantern]

gotta chase that droptimizer list baby

[potent inlet]

I was hoping for one yea, but if not all good. i'll make a sim out of the bis list

[haughty lantern]

out of curiosity, might i ask just what you are trying to accomplish??

[balmy condor]

Mainhand was a random world quest, offhand is out of dungeons

And then I just upgraded them

[sonic zinc]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[tall cradle]

any ideas on our trinkets?

[balmy condor]

On use stat + passive

[wooden star]

Egg + stat one imo

[robust axle]

What pieces would you throw Focus Lense on?

[balmy condor]

Sure

Egg is a passive so that works

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-iasip-always-sunny-philadelphia-gif-11094806

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

Pins

[sweet dust]

are you poor 4k is peanuts

[haughty lantern]

i would not call 4k "peanuts"

[royal lantern]

no, im just smart enough to not waste gold on frking heroic dungeon level gear

[haughty lantern]

^^^

[upper spear]

I think I've made close to 200k on the last 5 days

[rotund oak]

is 200k supposed to be alot

[upper spear]

No

That's the point

[dark token]

It's important if ur trying to clear HC day 1

[rotund oak]

yeah ik

[arctic socket]

Egg is bis

Egg is life

Egg is love

[rotund oak]

egg can be boiled

also pose

with vinegar

and pepper

[arctic socket]

Egg up boys

[stone basin]

guy's are we on blizz radar since recent tuning ?

[arctic socket]

No

[balmy condor]

What does that even mean

[rotund oak]

if we were would that upset u?

[haughty lantern]

ideally we are not on anythings radar b/c we are rogues

supposed to be sneeky breeky

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor are you a egg enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Yeah they got a whiteboard in the office that says “rogue?” With 3 arrows pointing at it

[royal lantern]

yes sure, tell yourself that lol

[balmy condor]

Be scared

[balmy condor]

I have an egg yes

[arctic socket]

Are you a enjoyer tho

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s just random passive trinket

[arctic socket]

You upset me

[balmy condor]

I don’t like eggs irl

[arctic socket]

That’s crazy

Egg is still bis tho

[rotund oak]

[arctic socket]

[rotund oak]

eggs are eggs

like it or not

its eggs

[haughty lantern]

you're telling this to the guy the writes the sin guides....

[balmy condor]

She’s right

[arctic socket]

Listed as the number 1

Trinket

“Bis”

[hexed frost]

Seeing casual pump +15 with double vanish

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[grim jay]

seeing anyone with double vanish

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[arctic socket]

I’m also coping because I don’t want a spyglass repeat

[haughty lantern]

idk how you can see them if they vanished....

[rotund oak]

[red wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[grim jay]

just the same as someone with 1 vanish

[hexed frost]

[grim jay]

because they barely get more uses

[mellow rivet]

is there a bug where one rogue uses the bleeds for another with sudden demise?

[arctic socket]

What’s the point in double vanishes?

[grim jay]

inducing pain

for the regulars

[hexed frost]

Cringemaxxing

[arctic socket]

How is it maxing though?

[mellow rivet]

this is the overall dmg of 2 rogues

[arctic socket]

Don’t see what benefit it gives

[royal lantern]

well, only 1 guy can get the execute, right

cus it, well, KILLS the enemys

[grim jay]

well its maximum cringe, so its cringemaxxing

[arctic socket]

Tell that second rogue to press CT and rupture

[balmy condor]

Execute the guy twice

Kill him

[grim jay]

execute his soul

[balmy condor]

And then kill him again

[haughty lantern]

i'll get back on my war (mained him for s4)

[balmy condor]

Double kill him

[rotund oak]

😂

[mellow rivet]

so who gets the kill? the rogue with the heavier rupture?

[rotund oak]

kill him burry the corpse

smh

[arctic socket]

The one specced into it

[haughty lantern]

it's the hitman approach

no one will notice

[balmy condor]

Whatever rogue has sudden demise pop first

[haughty lantern]

if there is no one TO notice

[arctic socket]

So for our “bis” weapon enchants how much we thinking the cost gonna be? (With it being a raid drop pattern)

[royal lantern]

100k on week 1

if we go by DF enchants

aka

you dont do it

[arctic socket]

I kinda have to do it

[royal lantern]

and wait 2-3 weeks until the price crashes

[arctic socket]

Though

[royal lantern]

then dont buy rank3

[arctic socket]

I will just someone to buy it for me

[grim jay]

just craft it yourself or have someone in your guild that can craft it

[balmy condor]

You just wear radiant authority and take the -0.3% loss or whatever

[grim jay]

ez

[arctic socket]

[normal mist]

Was doing an HC dungeon for a quest

with another assa rogue there

[arctic socket]

Wanna enchant my daggers?

[normal mist]

last boss, it looks like we were pressing exactly the same buttons

[arctic socket]

I got 3k n a piece of cheese

[balmy condor]

Are you a52?

[arctic socket]

Arcane mage pumpin

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Aight give me a bit to roll out of bed

[arctic socket]

Never got that friend request either

[balmy condor]

Losing to mage

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

I def sent

[normal mist]

that dood was pumping so hard every boss

[arctic socket]

Cap

[grim jay]

@balmy condor gotta enjoy it while it lasts on this important time of the patch

[balmy condor]

U r cap

[arctic socket]

You’re cap

[fluid smelt]

Is there a list of pre raid bis daggers available? I have one from the rookery and some random dagger atm. Just wanna know what to shoot for

[rotund oak]

Irrelevant but how's the doing

[normal mist]

who cap

[arctic socket]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Pre raid bis dagger is legit any dagger

Item level main hand, whatever offhand

Good to go

[normal mist]

I found the BiS rogue dagger

[fluid smelt]

Fair enough

[haughty lantern]

dis mine

[balmy condor]

Perfect

[arctic socket]

Bubbling wax

Tf is that

[balmy condor]

Pickpocket whetstones

They’re okay-ish

Nothing impressive

[rotund oak]

versatility enchant kinda sus

[balmy condor]

But they’re free

[haughty lantern]

exactly

[haughty lantern]

it was the cheapest thing on the ah

[rotund oak]

that i can respect 🤝

[haughty lantern]

i ain't paying 8k for an enchant on a dagger i know im going to replace

[balmy condor]

Bubbling wax doing like 0.5% dps each in my heroics

Kinda sad

But what can you do

[haughty lantern]

better than no whetstone

[balmy condor]

Ye

[haughty lantern]

also AMAZING flavor

[royal lantern]

why do you eat wax

[haughty lantern]

i ran out of glue

[haughty flicker]

i think they may be a kobold

[rotund oak]

[proven jasper]

u no take candle

[arctic socket]

Ah whetstones

[haughty lantern]

hey @balmy condor if i were to beeline (get a contract, focus all weekly quest rep rewards, etc) towards one faction for their late teen armor piece, do you have any suggestion?

[balmy condor]

Bee line 🐝

Idk it’s just 584 gear no

[haughty lantern]

champ track

[balmy condor]

I guess

[haughty lantern]

iirc it's boots from council, belt from machine speakers, bracers from arathi

[balmy condor]

Get boots I guess

Bracer/belt are probably craft

[haughty lantern]

i'm RELATIVELY close with all 3 but like if i had to pick one

[haughty lantern]

was thinking this too b/c can't we like socket bracers and belt with the thingy from great vault?

at least we could in DF, idk if it's changed

[balmy condor]

Ye

[loud trench]

Is there a good macro list somewhere?

[haughty lantern]

ALSO if i wanted to like....dabble in outlaw (for world content mainly, and for any activity with super heavy duty cleave), what stats would i put on a crafted piece? crit haste?

[balmy condor]

We don’t really have macros in general

[haughty lantern]

b/c afaik, sin doesn't like vers, outlaw doesn't like mast

[balmy condor]

Potion/trinket/racial+deathmark

And that’s kinda it

[balmy condor]

“Doesn’t like” is a strong term here

[haughty lantern]

`i have a bunch of mouseover macros for like...throw knife, sap, pickpocket, distract

[balmy condor]

Vers is totally fine for assa

[haughty lantern]

true, and i would only be playing outlaw like....extremely casually. if i had ANYTHING "heavy duty" to deal with i'd probably throw sin back on

[loud trench]

Yea I guess that make sense with the GCD. Trying to minimize the button bloat a bit

[waxen oyster]

sin has like no bloat

[granite leaf]

DN is being turbo buggy for me in hc 😦

[balmy condor]

Yeah can’t macro anything for the buttons sadly

Not just for you bud

You ain’t special

[granite leaf]

I mald every time

[waxen oyster]

[pliant remnant]

[waxen oyster]

I have no DN bugs

[pliant remnant]

Straight demolished the man's last bit of self-worth

[hearty coral]

Guys do u think our mass aoe big pull dmg is good?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[pliant remnant]

Nah it's bad

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is the real war within content

[pliant remnant]

Blizzard please buff

[waxen oyster]

buff spatter 100%

ty

[hearty coral]

O big aoe we do crimsom and what else?

[waxen oyster]

spatter

[strange python]

idk if it’s good but it feels nice imo for fatebound garrote opener and slightly worse for deathstalker ambush opener

[pliant remnant]

The same as you do on small AoE

[hearty coral]

Full muti on one target

If we muti on target with kingbane

[hoary remnant]

So I dont nuke myself going 590 mastery versa? 😟

[hearty coral]

The dmg from king bane

Will spread?

[waxen oyster]

did you read

what caustic spatter does

[hearty coral]

No im at work

But i cant stop thinking about it

[strange python]

you’re on discord man

[waxen oyster]

at work on discord

[balmy condor]

Yes, minus 1 bajillionity trillion dps and your character auto deletes

[normal mist]

me, every day at work

[strange python]

the skinning bees come to your house and stab you

[hearty coral]

If so our dmg would be amazing

[normal mist]

man

thats how it works

xD

[hearty coral]

XD sorry for being dumb

I love u guys

[normal mist]

No worries me too

[hearty coral]

Cant wait to finish work so i can play

[haughty lantern]

OH my god guys i just thought of a new word

"Bugterfuge"

what we do in ahj-kahet

[strange python]

sounds like a slur

[haughty lantern]

(i'm about to get banned aren't i....)

[balmy condor]

But bugterfuge doesn’t do anything for assassin

[dense cloud]

Atleast I'll have some replacements for the future

[balmy condor]

Brother what

[dense cloud]

ikr

[hoary remnant]

😭

[balmy condor]

yeh vers is fine

[haughty lantern]

only trinkets worth holding onto imo are darkmoon decks b/c iirc you can turn them into embelishments later

[lime basalt]

ragu

[balmy condor]

I’m still holding out hope that the ascension embellishment isn’t randomly twice as strong as any other embellishment

[spice surge]

Does it scale with ilvl

[kind lake]

Hello! How do y'all track caustic splatter? do you use a WA?

[eager solstice]

@balmy condor deathstalker better for high keys for prio but fatebound just seems like the more consistent performer especially if tank does allow restealths?

[balmy condor]

Recolor nameplate + target weakaura

[haughty lantern]

mfw i use cloak of shadows to get rid of the minute long poison from harvesting an altered herb

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t really have anything to do with restealths, but fatebound good overall yes

[kind lake]

ty! I'll try making those

[strange python]

you can use it to get rid of teleport cooldown in dragon isles

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

Just steal it

[normal mist]

i need a german to translate me this: Spey Befwargan

[balmy condor]

From these

[kind lake]

oh thanks! ❤️

[balmy condor]

That’s not German

[normal mist]

dang it

sounds german

[brave bluff]

best fatebound weakaura?

[royal lantern]

thats no word

[earnest heron]

hi all :) with the vanish>deathmark part of the rotation do you use garrote after deathmark for improved? also with deathmark duplicating two garrotes how does that work? do i need to use another garrote during deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Probably none but tracking coins is dopamine

[balmy condor]

Before or after is fine, it duplicates regardless

[strange python]

use an addon where it spends money off your card when you’re at a 6 streak and it breaks before 7

[dense cove]

@balmy condor do you have any info on trinket sims? when i run sims on dungeonslice it continues to tell me that 2 on use trinks are bis for me

[spice surge]

There is a trinket tierlist on the wowhead guide

But right now you have trinkets that you cant get at reasonable ilvl during the actual season

[balmy condor]

I refuse to compile data on pre-season

[spice surge]

You have a rookery trinket in the trinket tier list btw whispyr