assassination

[knotty vapor]

spark

[brittle cypress]

is siphoning stiletto good now that the speed is 1.8

[fiery mauve]

uh i think wowhead says nah

nvm its pins

pins say nah

[knotty vapor]

guess i'll just get the cheap crit proc one for now

[austere bramble]

hi guys which spec seems to be simming best for raid?

[solid venture]

anyone have a darkest night WA?

[prime monolith]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[prime monolith]

[rotund sedge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[arctic socket]

700k decent or low sim?

[cobalt sphinx]

Seems fine

[runic hinge]

Ct is you. Rupture using IC is a combo of both

[upper wraith]

what are people crafting first?

[warped lily]

Guys im a noob, i want to play with the op spec

Is ass / outlaw / subtlety

[west willow]

is this a sim trap

[balmy condor]

no

[west willow]

sims crazy high for me over all the other non sacbrood trinkets

[sweet dust]

which talents should i be running?

theres like 6 different ones

[cobalt sphinx]

lol

the fucking honey buzzer

bust it out

[cerulean nest]

it’s not that dangerous to use tbh

like a DH dash

[cyan summit]

whats the best enchants for weps ?

[west willow]

i played 2 full seasons with boon

ill be okay

[cyan summit]

which enchant is good here ?

[slim plume]

dothe sims for Assassin account for the ER bug with deathmark and Darkest Night or it's assuming that its working correctly

[gray hazel]

anyone know if the sims Whispyr went over in his vids are available anywhere?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray hazel]

!whispyr

[runic hinge]

Yes

[slate crown]

is a swell fella

[cerulean nest]

is it not possible to sim the new dwarf race yet?

[candid goblet]

this increases only FoK critical strike damage right? or is it all crit damage?

[open marlin]

should be FoK and CT

[candid goblet]

makes sense

[burnt yacht]

hey guys! is assassination the best for leveling/dungeons in TWW?

[waxen oyster]

They’re all similar for leveling

[stiff kernel]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[stiff kernel]

Is this still accurate

[cerulean nest]

yes

[waxen oyster]

its not going to be good

it has a cast time

[runic hinge]

It’s actually more accurate

[stiff kernel]

Ok cool I haven’t played rogue since mid DF was just discussing something with a buddy

[cerulean nest]

according to whispyr sin has 2.5 seconds to spare a cast

just wonder why it isn’t on the sim page

[grave trail]

is this big?

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

Might be a fix for darkest night envenom killing a target idk

[cerulean nest]

how are they addressing all these nuances and not the Big One lol

[hollow talon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

Probably a more difficult fix

[hollow talon]

is there a way to change all the fonts in plater settings at once?

or do i have to change each one

[fallen shore]

best weapon enchant assa m+

[balmy condor]

Each one

[balmy condor]

Radiant authority

[fallen shore]

its worth paying 50k?¿

i have spark dagger embelished 606

for that wep

atleast

[balmy condor]

You used your spark 💀

Idk man you’re already cooked

[fallen shore]

idc i know im getting no weapons

[balmy condor]

Might as well full commit and waste the rest

[fallen shore]

im not a lucky men

[spice surge]

Just send the enchant then i guess

[sonic schooner]

i crafted early in DF, never again it costs to much

[fallen shore]

we save spark for what?

[normal mist]

embelishment slots

[fallen shore]

so if we get a wep in vault

[normal mist]

like wrists/belt/boots per example

[fallen shore]

im commiting to ascension on weap + nerub patch

[cerulean nest]

thought it was depths? or you just mean currently with what we have

[balmy condor]

Depths for single target/slight aoe loss

[pliant remnant]

FOR FUCKING REAL

[balmy condor]

Radiant better in aoe

[cerulean nest]

bet

[pliant remnant]

Every time I scroll down and see "Rogue -> Deathstalker", I'm like "this is it"

[balmy condor]

god speed champ

[pliant remnant]

and it never is

[desert cove]

btw I just tested it

[cerulean nest]

whisp where’s the per boss raid vid (the ones that are constantly getting tuned and likely changed)

the people are clammering

[desert cove]

the bugfix isn't for darkest night when you kill a mob

[civic knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cobalt gyro]

deathstalker spec feels so awful in heroics when you're mass pulling the instance between bosses

don't evn get to use your talent :(

[desert cove]

yeah

I mean you still do with darkest night

[cobalt gyro]

all the mobs randomly cast shit and put you in combat

[desert cove]

just make sure the enemy you're hitting with the envenom doesn't die

[cobalt gyro]

so you need to vanish to get going

ye

just use it on random full hp mobs half the time to make sure i get a proc back

[mortal badger]

spec fatebound and save sanity

[kind falcon]

anyone else finding themselves super energy-starved recently? I feel like pooling is a lot more difficult in 11.0

[onyx quiver]

is it worthit to get a 606 dagger now?

to have it crafter or nah?

[tall pelican]

So what are we all craftingfirst off?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

No

Save your spark until blizzard decides what the fuck they want embellishments to be

[onyx quiver]

got it thanks

[burnt yacht]

do we have thoughts on assass vs sub yet

[balmy condor]

No

[onyx quiver]

as of the moment fro crafting would u rather hast mastery or crit mastery?

for missive

crafting a 590 neck

[balmy condor]

That’s a sim question

Your gear ain’t my gear

[onyx quiver]

sims are no good now

right

no gear compare yet

[balmy condor]

Why not

Gear compare is dead

[dark token]

...

[balmy condor]

You can just search in top gear

And add stuff to top gear

That feature replaced gear compare

[onyx quiver]

ohhh got it thank you

[dark token]

Whispyr on expac launch

[onyx quiver]

i didnt know

i thought it was a pre season thing that it still was not available

[balmy condor]

nah

[onyx quiver]

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[dark token]

Nah it's not you in particular it's just a lot of new people with lots of questions that haven't really read guides n stuff

Always happens expac launch

Esp if they tag you must get annoying

[vital flicker]

W deathstalker fix, now if they could only fix the ER interaction

[dark token]

They are cooking

I see them bugfix every other day

[nimble tartan]

what they fix

[dark token]

Nothing meaningful today

[balmy condor]

idk what the fix today was honestly

someone earlier said it wasn't dying target

so idk what they fixed

[dark token]

But they have a fix for deathstalker in patch notes all the time so they know we a buggy mess

[steep vessel]

Does Dawnthread not stack?

[balmy condor]

it should

[vital flicker]

Any fix for deathstalker is a good one

[spice surge]

Drop below 80%

And heal back up

[steep vessel]

There we go ty

[vocal cradle]

when stats say Crit = Mastery > Haste does that mean i should prio gear with crit and mastery OR crit with haste and mastery with haste?

[bitter solar]

Crit is equal to mastery, but both better then haste.

[balmy dome]

Your best bet is to sim. Stat weights are just a general idea.

[balmy condor]

they beat me to it

stat values change as you equip gear

anything more granular than "crit/mast/haste is all good just get stuff" is a sim question

[full schooner]

whisypr do u know if sigil of algari concordance is simbaiting

its doing like 0.5% damage over 5min on dummies

0.5-1.3% is the range i was getting at least

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what that is

[full schooner]

trinket from 2nd boss on rookery

[upper tulip]

Sorry if I am repeating a frequent question, but is there an issue with our damage profile? I feel like I sim very low and my outlaw spec sims higher ST. Maybe I'm missing something.

[balmy condor]

idk sure I guess I've never simmed it

I assume someone did their best guess implementing it based on spell data

and it's either wrong or weird

early expansion type shit

but I don't particularly care either way cause it's not season 1 gear

[balmy condor]

that's just how it is

[full schooner]

yea thats fair im just doing random test stuff out of sheer boredom

[balmy condor]

if you can log it and send it to me alongside your sim

I can push it down the pipe to someone who can look into it and see if the sims are wrong

[full schooner]

sounds good i just stepped away for a few but after i make dinner if i remember

[narrow marsh]

do we ever use Crimson Tempest on dung bosses? or is it a waste

[frigid kestrel]

Unless there are more than 2 targets, it’s not worth

[narrow marsh]

perfect, thank you

[golden marten]

what preferences are u usin in raidbot?

[balmy condor]

null mistyped, 3+ targets

oh

I read wrong

more than 2

is the same as 3 or more

nvm me

[narrow marsh]

XD all good I appreciate it anyways

still learning sin since ive only playes sub and its been fun

[cyan summit]

should i max out my tinkets ??

[balmy condor]

it's more efficient to craft with weathered crests

[fossil marlin]

why am I missing mutilate?

[balmy condor]

blindside replaces it

[cyan summit]

because of the 3 ilvl differnce correct ?

[fossil marlin]

its not that, i dont have mutilate in my spellbook at all

[balmy condor]

593 is 45 crests, 590 crafted is 30

[balmy condor]

relog

happens with blindside

[sweet dust]

What should I craft first?

[balmy condor]

whatever your heart desires king

[sweet dust]

Do you need two daggers or is offhand dmg increase minimal?

[balmy condor]

offhand sucks

[cyan summit]

my heart desires u

[sweet dust]

Okay thanks

[dark token]

I think 580-590 is actually 45 crests, and 593 is 60

[balmy condor]

I'm uncraftable

[dark token]

That's why crafting is so good

[fossil marlin]

thank you

[upper wraith]

stiletto a bad choice for 1st spark?

[dark token]

But trinkets are high value DPS slots and you can get like 300 crests total anyway so I'm considering upgrading them anyway over doing something like crafting wrists

[fickle girder]

Can I use a mirror of kalandra on you tho? 👀

[cyan summit]

what will m0 ilvl be ?

[fresh tulip]

in m+ how big of a dps loss would it be if I just go for fatebound I cba learning the marks I got no WA for allat

[balmy condor]

no, I'm already mirrored

[dark token]

Everything is a bad choice for 1st spark

[fickle girder]

Damn.

[balmy condor]

corrupted as well

[fickle girder]

Damn x2

[dark token]

Wait till mythic week

[balmy condor]

fatebound is fine, same damage just less prio

[balmy condor]

m0 drops 593, veteran 4/8

[cyan summit]

ooo

[fresh tulip]

then Im also swapping from kyrian to cold blood right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cyan summit]

is signet and ara kara tricket the bis for now ?

[balmy condor]

no clue and you shouldn't care

[fresh tulip]

baller ty pookster keep up the great work

[balmy condor]

pre-raid bis is an aboslute joke

[cyan summit]

true because we just gearing for heroic

just wanna beat my firneds in the damage meter :p

[brittle cypress]

Whispyr did you end up finishing the plater?

[balmy condor]

then play better

[onyx quiver]

is there portal from stormwind to tww?

[balmy condor]

0.1% from a trinket ain't gonna matter

[cyan summit]

coach me 😭

[balmy condor]

I would just be repeating the guide man

[balmy condor]

yes

I'm still tweaking it (will for a couple weeks probably)

[fickle girder]

Step 1: Git gud
Step 2: ???
Step 3: profit

[balmy condor]

but I updated it yeh

[cyan summit]

oki time to go rewatch the vid >.>

whats the reason for rupture twice in an opener ?

is it just when their are multiple adds ?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[sweet dust]

is this kyrian talent page the best?

[balmy condor]

idk what that means

this ain't shadowlands champ

[sweet dust]

the deathstalker kyrian page

[balmy condor]

yes

deathstalker plays echoing reprimand

[sweet dust]

this one?

[balmy condor]

that's the bleed build yes

[sweet dust]

what about this page?

[balmy condor]

well that plays double vanish so it's already worse

but the spec tree is hybrid

that's normal too

[sweet dust]

this is the ST opener right for the 1st page?

[fickle girder]

Double vanish for that double safety net when you press garrotte instead of ambush

[balmy condor]

that is what it says

[vital flicker]

How much damage is given up by picking iron wire

[balmy condor]

around 0.7%-1%

[cursive bolt]

!wa

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[runic hinge]

Oh shit we’re dropping IW again

[balmy condor]

yeh

drop the strongest m+ utility in the game for +1% dps

[sweet dust]

im doing way less dps with this build, is it a skill issue?

[balmy condor]

take double vanish for -5%

pogging

[balmy condor]

with which build compared to which build

you gotta give me information if you're asking a question

[sweet dust]

the two i linked the echoing reprimand build does less dmg

ST

[balmy condor]

well yeah

it's the bleed build

[floral vale]

Is it typical to see a lot of other dungeon trinkets sim higher than the sac brood? Can't tell if just sim bait

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dMTCwwyuSafkM5rKhFeovK

[sweet dust]

so what is it good for? im simming higher on ST and AOE with this build not sure

[balmy condor]

please god stop taking double vanish

[sweet dust]

okay forget the vanish

[balmy condor]

but the bleed build is easier and moves damage out of kingsbane

it's less ramp

[upper tulip]

real

[balmy condor]

less caustic

better in weaker content cause you don't need to rely on caustic as much

[south lava]

How much is our rupture damage overall in m+?
Is it ok to drop scent of blood sometimes?

Whisp

[cyan summit]

what if ur tank keeps chaning mobs 😭

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slim plume]

i think im struggling with pooling, playing deathstalker with Vicious Venoms x2. According to the pooling paragraph, it says to keep it under 50% but make sure to chain and pool above 25% energy. Do i just hold off from chaining afterwards and let me get full energy again if im lower than that threshold?

also is it better to pool before CDs or to just keep sending

[cyan summit]

i see

ty

[magic fossil]

i already saw some people with crafted bracer, its too soon, no?

or thats no such a thing

cuz we can upgrade our craft over and over.. any thoughts?

[magic fossil]

thanks larias

[balmy condor]

you would want to basically just full spam, 25% is the open condition to use energy

[magic fossil]

didnt saw this part.

[night moat]

my mark just disappeared after consuming darkest night on a rare is that new

[balmy condor]

idk bout new, but it's another fun deathstalker moment

[night moat]

on sub its so much better and ambush doesnt have to be from stealth

with assa its just annoying

[balmy condor]

well I didn't design it

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[sweet dust]

is it normal this page doesnt load and when i paste it in game it says its outdated?

[thorn spear]

is it outdated?

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what page that is

[sweet dust]

https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue/talents

[balmy condor]

yeh that's broken

[thorn spear]

last updated august 19th

[balmy condor]

just use wowhead

[balmy condor]

that has nothing to do with it lmao

[thorn spear]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy condor]

I'll let the devs know that it's broken, thanks dion

[quartz halo]

Do we craft bracers/boots this week or do we wait?

[hoary fulcrum]

So, like for m+, someone pulling before you get your ds mark, aside from vanishing there isn't anything you can do to apply your mark, right?

[fallen shore]

full commited

[balmy condor]

have the capstone buff

[balmy condor]

jesus christ

[fickle girder]

You can take the time to respec to Fatebound

[fallen shore]

anyone have a macro for shadowmeld

[hoary fulcrum]

Right, but if you don't have it, then nothing

[fallen shore]

when i click it i cant restealth

[balmy condor]

correct

[hoary fulcrum]

Is there a decent lowbie date bound m+?

Thanks whispyr. Loved your vids btw

[balmy condor]

fatebound is better in m+ especially at this level

just play whatever you were playing

[hoary fulcrum]

Oh cool. Is it the same as DS, but just fate ound talents

[balmy condor]

but spec fatebound

yeh

[hoary fulcrum]

Perfect

[balmy condor]

inevitability + cold blood

[hoary fulcrum]

I'll be lazy and macro cold blood to envenom I think

[balmy condor]

ye

that's the vibe

[magic fossil]

@fallen shore i had a macro in m6 that my tricks went straight to tank, since i dont raid, it was perfect cause only one tank in dg ofc, but didnt work anymore, if someone know which macro it is, would be a such a nice gesture

[hoary fulcrum]

I don't do high keys. Just enough for vault.

[proud salmon]

hey, setting up my plater , is the general idea to have a plater color for your splatter target and then one for your rupture and garrote on targets?

[raven egret]

hey remind me; in the even that the embelish dagger is good, the procs are normalized regardless if its MH or OH right?

[fallen shore]

i just cant restealth somehow

idk why

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just a proc thing like a trinket would be

embellishments at the end of the day are just weak trinket effects

[novel arrow]

Hi guys, New to Caustic Spatter. Does it spread Envenom damage or just weapon poisons?

[raven egret]

tnx I thought I remembered correctly

[balmy condor]

everything nature damage

envenom, kingsbane, poison bomb, deathstalker plague damage stuff

fatebound coin

[novel arrow]

ffs wow's tooltips. It says poison damage and it confuses people like me 😦

[runic hinge]

Blizz and tooltips

[edgy crystal]

[novel arrow]

Its so stupid. Everything says 'Nature damage" and most of their talent tooltips says poison damage.

and then ur confused because some are specific to weapon poisons ... and ... ugh. :9

Just ... Grrrrr

[edgy crystal]

What we doing

[spice surge]

Then theres also lethal poisons

[raven egret]

yep, amazing quality precise tooltips

[spice surge]

Which doesnt include kingsbane, despite it being mentioned in the kingsbane tooltip

[novel arrow]

Wait... plague damage is also nature damage? Is also poison damage?

[spice surge]

Yes

Plague is nature+shadow

[novel arrow]

fk me. Good to know.

[balmy condor]

and cosmic is holy/shadow/nature/arcane

which is what the fatebound coin uses

but the fatebound coin also spreads through blade flurry on outlaw

which is phys only

[south lava]

So fatebound is currently better than ds at the moment?

[novel arrow]

So would Caustic spatter spread on the Coin flip tails?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[sudden vale]

Does Assa rogue ever hold a kingsbane? Like in a raid encounter? And if so, what's the cut off? Like, if there's a dps window in 30 seconds would you hold off on kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

no

[sudden vale]

So just treat it as straight rotation? Including Deathmark every other?

[balmy condor]

yep

delaying kingsbane delays shiv/deathmark

delaying deathmark delays vanish

raid fights are generally designed around 2 min cds

the more you delay, the more bullshit mechanics you run into cause your cds don't align to the fight

giant mess

[sweet dust]

i got the build to work thx, it was a skill issue @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

cast on cd

[sudden vale]

Awesome thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[sudden vale]

Since I got the xpert here, can you tell me if I'm missing anything in my understanding of the whole Kingsbane window?

• Vanish (if DM up)
• Garrote
• Deathmark
• Shiv
• Kingsbane
• Thistle Tea
• Envenom spam
• Refresh Shiv before expiry
• Envenom spam

Am I close?

[balmy condor]

yeh the thistle tea isn't really hard sequenced though

you cast it during shiv for energy

so if you're not getting energy from it, you're not casting it

[sudden vale]

Currently I just hit it if energy drops below 200. That about right?

[balmy condor]

during shiv yes

[sudden vale]

awesome

thanks!

[balmy condor]

np

[novel arrow]

Is there a consistent way to get Fateful ending?

[balmy condor]

being lucky

just be a winner consistently

[novel arrow]

lol

So basically... ignore the capstone talent...

[arctic onyx]

hey guys! which darkmoon trinkets are good for assa to start with ?

[novel arrow]

it happens it happens

[balmy condor]

well you ignore literally everything on fatebound yes

[novel arrow]

I'm so excited

[haughty flicker]

at least you shit out coins

[balmy condor]

if you asked me this morning I would've said ascension/symbiosis

if you ask me now

I'm gonna say symbiosis by like a fuck ton

and then ascension

[haughty flicker]

wtf i bought ascension

[arctic onyx]

oooh ty so much!

[haughty flicker]

scammed

[balmy condor]

ya well

[haughty flicker]

i'll never get that 500 gold back

[balmy condor]

symbiosis sucked

so they buffed it by 100%

[bitter brook]

did they fix us yet

[arctic onyx]

i'm currently having this one

[balmy condor]

and then they immediately nerfed it by 50%

[arctic onyx]

ascension + symbiosis still better?

[balmy condor]

cause they overbuffed it

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

but then they reverted the 50% nerf this morning

so now it's overbuffed again

[balmy condor]

yes

[arctic onyx]

oooh and another quick question
as for the stats - we want crit+ mastery
but do we need any cap for haste/versa?

[balmy condor]

no

[stuck berry]

does deathmark works with garrote or just ignore garrote from stealth?

[haughty flicker]

how am i supposed to afford this

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what that means but deathmark duplicates whatever garrote is on the target, or whatever garrote is cast during deathmark

[marble moth]

When you vanish before dm ends are you ambushing again first or straight into garrote

[south lava]

@balmy condor could u help me on this

Somtimes our rupture fell of when creeps wont die within rupture buff
Should i reapply

Or can leave some

[balmy condor]

you want to scent of blood for the agi buff it's good, if you don't need energy or mobs are dying quickly don't bother

[proud salmon]

wait, is there a way to track improved garrote on your plater in the same way the weak aura does it ?

so that you don't override it

[runic hinge]

Could use your brain lmaoooo gottem

[proud salmon]

why would i do that when addons exist?

[runic hinge]

Okay really tho I don’t know

[balmy condor]

no

[proud salmon]

cool ty

[slate crown]

I mean

In theory you could set a global in a WA that tracks it and reference that global in a plater script

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

You and your theories

[slate crown]

I'm not going to do it

[balmy condor]

that sounds like so much work

for no payout

[slate crown]

Right

which is why I'm not going to do it

[balmy condor]

why do we even want to see empowered garrotes on a plater

[proud salmon]

well if it's timing out on my plater it glows

but i just won't have that

it was between that and having different nameplate colors for debuffed targets

but i'll try do the 2nd one

[verbal blaze]

what trinkets should I be aiming for from dungeons/DMF atm?

[plush oasis]

The wowhead ST deathstalker rotation says to use garrote immediately after vanish instead of ambush>garrote. Is that an error?

[broken ibex]

The trinkets from the dungeons everyone leaves - Ara and Dawnbreaker.

[balmy condor]

no

[rain mortar]

Lets talk about something VERY important - why does Dwarf look so bad in rogue mogs, i want to dwarf

[haughty flicker]

dorf bad

[rain mortar]

i dont want to be an elf but i dont really like how mogs look on any other alliance. Sadge

[teal kettle]

anyone figured out how to hide the indiscriminate carnage talent making your garrote/rupture glow when it's active? HideButtonGlow isn't working xd

[golden marten]

is it somehow possible to combine shadowmeld & stealth to restealth during the battle and trigger "Indiscriminate Carnage" passive?

[proud salmon]

do we cast unimproved garrotes on cd in aoe?

[tough gorge]

No, just keep up ruptures, then spatter

[golden marten]

is it possible to restealth with shadowmeld, do u know Sir?
or dwarfs are probably better for rogue is it impossible now?

[proud salmon]

cool

[tough gorge]

I dunno about meld

[spice surge]

Its often possible yes

During non-bosses

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[south lava]

U can but somtimes cannot idk why
But u cant re-stealth on boss

[spice surge]

But sometimes it just doesnt work, because combat in wow is a bit buggy

[runic hinge]

Depending on if the mob has true sight or if something is casting group wide spell that’s also somehow single target or even just cause blizzard hates you

[golden marten]

yeah just interested about it on trash

cause now rogues don't use second vanish's stack so it could be helpful imho

[golden marten]

should it be something like this right?
#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

and just spam the key

[runic hinge]

I do a cast sequence for mine and it works alright

[hexed nebula]

any gamers know how to blacklist specific debuffs like serrated bone spike from plater?

cant seem to find it

[dense lodge]

Is everyone using the Ravenous honey trinket since it sims so high?

[golden marten]

can u send me yours macro pls

[runic hinge]

I am not home

[runic hinge]

It’s just like
#showtooltip
/castsequence Shadowmeld,Stealth

Something like that

[golden marten]

thanks

[rain sleet]

what trinkets best rn

[sand heath]

I am, does a reasonable amount of damage, but the rush is annoying at times

[dense lodge]

yeh pretty much costing me a shadowstep alot of the time so theres no downtime

[vital flicker]

So the world first guilds usually know things that normies don't, should assassination rogues be worried that the vast majority of max level rogues in Echo and Liquid are playing sub?

[slate crown]

Why would that make you worried?

[runic hinge]

That actually makes me happy

[balmy condor]

I’ll let you in on a secret

World first guilds also usually don’t know things

[drifting cloud]

sub for what, outdoor content?

[slate crown]

[runic hinge]

Yeah I did that for a few days

[vital flicker]

I guess sub kinda makes sense for outdoor content

Short cds

And no ramp like with assassination

[drifting cloud]

but serious answer is both spec look competitive and some of the players in those top2 guilds do slightly prefer sub

its all tbd after heroic week end of the day

[strange python]

lingering darkness isnt working right? ive literally only seen thhe buff like twice after days of playing

[dense lodge]

On raidbots when it says hidden variation next to the item does that mean its for another piece of gear to change that its not showing?

[blazing jewel]

[strange python]

ya been slappign this training dummy for 5 mins zero procs of lingering darkness. i dont get this hero talent at all

[tough gorge]

@balmy condor what if sanguine gem was swapped for flying daggers for deathstalker? DS makes FoK much stronger and you can get capstone quicker if it’s 6 pts…

[spice surge]

DS doesnt really make fok much stronger, its only momentum of despair

It makes envenom a lot stronger though

[tough gorge]

? It’s literally a talent that makes FoK and CT stronger

[balmy condor]

Fok is a spell that’s like maybe 5% of your damage in keys

Deeper Strat is like a 4% talent on its own

Do you think flying daggers can double fok damage

[tough gorge]

Was thinking the 30% more dmg plus easier capstone might balance out

[balmy condor]

Easier capstone how

[tough gorge]

Need max combo pts for darkest night

[balmy condor]

Flying daggers doesn’t give you more cp

[tough gorge]

Sanguine gem means your max is 7, basically just saying if you don’t take it the capstone is easier, plus FoK might have been doing better.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s not how that works

[tough gorge]

But Gem is prolly too strong

[tough gorge]

How does darkest night work, that seems pretty literally how it works

[balmy condor]

Sanguine strategem is pretty much one of the strongest talents above the capstones

[balmy condor]

You’re getting more, but weaker

[tough gorge]

True. I guess the trade off is too much.

FoK did 8% dmg in a key I did so thought there was potential there

[uneven plume]

When you mean by echo bug it’s because mark is not procced off of echo cps?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s just doomed, there was some potential when it was venom rush/flying, but sanguine is more than venom rush could’ve ever dreamt of being

[balmy condor]

Mark and capstone yes

[uneven plume]

Maybe it’s intended? Like SnD

Hope not

[balmy condor]

It’s not

That’s why it’s a bug

If it were intended it wouldnt be a bug

[vital flicker]

I would think that FoK would do more damage for deathstalker rn since everything dies so quickly so marks are getting put up like crazy but in higher level content as things die slower it will do less damage

[balmy condor]

Ye

[night moat]

do we know that blindside not proccing mark is a bug?

[vital flicker]

It's not a bug since it isn't from stealth

[night moat]

subs shadowstrike with dance works no?

[vital flicker]

Shadow dance counts as stealth

[balmy condor]

That’s intended

[honest needle]

who did you guys pick first to forge a pact with ? weaver general or vizier

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Its flavor

And cosmetics

[honest needle]

we can change it if we end up not liking it

[balmy condor]

Yes

[frigid quest]

PLATER

[narrow robin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[grand trail]

another DS blue post 😄

[lilac tangle]

hi friend,

I'm absolutely not comfortable with the gameplay of the deathstalker heroic talent in dungeons.

Is the DPS loss with fatebound high or low?

[balmy condor]

Low, probably a gain tbh

[runic hinge]

Fatebound easy to play. DS harder to keep up but more upside if you do.

[lilac tangle]

yeah, that's the feeling I have, even if on models I will manage to have more DPS with deathstalker. In dungeon situation fatebound seems more flexible and adaptable

[balmy condor]

No I mean like even on paper fatebound is probably better

Deathstalker is just a niche for prio

[past forum]

i remember when our hero talents were previewed and i hated them but then seasoned rogues were like who cares if hero talents suck the base spec is good, and now that i have them im like huh i guess they were right who cares if hero talents suck cause the base spec is good

[balmy condor]

Fatebound feels like nothing

And it’s incredible

[past forum]

as an ancient being (in my 30s) and awake with new and interesting kinds of pain every day, i agree that feeling nothing is much better than feeling terrible

i'll never not think the coin looks cheesy as hell tho

[runic hinge]

You put a coin tracker in the WA’s and now I’ve been announcing my flips

[oak ember]

If we have a full uptime crimson tempest in a big pull, do you bother maintaining envenom buff or just spam tempest?

[runic hinge]

I cannot wait to do it all season long

[past forum]

dont spam, just mantain. it does 0 instant damage

[runic hinge]

CT is a dot just maintain and envenom your spatter target

[oak ember]

Ok ty

[lilac tangle]

As a French person who does not understand English perfectly, I admit that I do not understand this sentence.

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker = big priority target damage in big pull with many enemies

[lilac tangle]

ok, thx

[grim jay]

Deathstalker still better even if fatebound is equal or slightly ahead for higher keys, because of the survivability I'd imagine

[balmy condor]

I mean higher keys it’s irrelevant already, if they’re even remotely close singular focus is just W

[distant helm]

What emb are you boys crafting on the 590 gear?

[regal sable]

none

craft now is smelly

[grim jay]

They are free

Except for the gold

No spark used

[regal sable]

spending gold on embel b4 tuning... smelly

[distant helm]

You can just recraft then?

It also aint deep, gear is worthless after 1 day anyways

[balmy condor]

So you’re gonna waste resources on worthless gear

[distant helm]

Well its still usefull for first day of heroic

[grim jay]

I mean, some people have too much gold for their own good anyways

[distant helm]

Then its useless

[regal sable]

need to save gold to gamble w guild during break time

https://tenor.com/view/agre-cat-nod-gif-22214510

[shy pecan]

[grim jay]

My guys are too poor to gamble with me

[regal sable]

that's bc they crafted gear

[grim jay]

Wdym

Ascension embellishment is only 120k

[shy pecan]

[grim jay]

Legit worse than on df launch

Think only flavorpocket was that high

[boreal lichen]

Which weapon enchant should we use since bis is locked behind raid ?

[grim jay]

Id suggest buying none for now

[uneven plume]

Prob stats

[grim jay]

[uneven plume]

R1 haste enchant is like 200g and gives 2k plus haste

Same with the others

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure they were like close to 10k for r1

And rn you dont need them

[regal sable]

u should buy whichever enchants im selling v good deal

[grim jay]

They will naturally get cheaper in the next days

[burnt marsh]

where do you guys check builds/BiS for Assassination Rogue in tww?

[pseudo nimbus]

There is a FAQ sections of the Discord, look over there

[vague portal]

So I was watching the m+ vid from whisper, I'm confused in the vanish thing do we need to vanish or no

[final juniper]

hey guys new to assassination, previously have been a pally and a druid excited to learn 😄

[final juniper]

from what ive read vanish is good to re apply ambush which helps with garrot and rupture

[rotund oak]

assuming u are a deathstalker and u dont have a way to reply ur mark because it has fallen or whatever, u can vanish and reapply it,also spread those dots while u are on it

thats the tldr

[final juniper]

if you do that then you want the garrot and rupture also because it applies bleed to multiple targets right?

[vague portal]

Ok now shiv, is that on CD or no

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what ive meant with ''spread those dots'' 🙂

[red mango]

is there a bug list for sin? I see the one for sub.

[grim jay]

Pins

[final juniper]

ahh lol yeah that makes sense . im new to it swapping from pally to rogue love the style and im big into pvp now so trying to learn as much as possible

[red mango]

nice, wasn't loading. thank you!

This content is no longer available.

[grim jay]

You probably need to go to the post and click on the image btw, else it might not open

Yeah exactly that

[red mango]

my eyes!

[rotund oak]

sin isnt rly that strong as it used to be in DF,still capable to do 2.4

[vague portal]

From my understanding I go stealth, ambush, garrote,rapture,snd, envenom,come out of stealth and mutilate, refresh any bleed the sword looking thing that makes our CP blue,deathmark,shiv,kings,chiv,mutilate and so on

Does that sound about right?

[rotund oak]

but ye dont expect to steamroll with dance everyone

dance is gone

[raven egret]

Blizz decided that NPC patron crafting orders should be so realistic that they should request items that can't even be crafted at all right now

[final juniper]

i wanna try something differnt tho so sin is one of the ones who always clapped me. that or sub not sure lol but i like the fact i can just vanish

[final juniper]

mage is too streamline

[grim jay]

Ive only had valid ones so far, didnt do any yet tho

[rotund oak]

mage is the arena god now but for the rest of the pvp stuff u should hop in the pvp channel,most boys here are just pve-ing 🙂

also sub is just superior now

[grim jay]

#pvp

Linked it for you

So

GTFO

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

mage streamline

when its probably one of the higher skillcapped classes

[grim jay]

Mages definitely are capped on skill

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Because 99% of them suck

[waxen oyster]

oh yeah raiding mages idk

m+ers are just pepega

gromnak said it best

[grim jay]

Ive literally not seen a single good mage in all of df

[waxen oyster]

same

[vague portal]

@rotund oak does this sound right or nah

[waxen oyster]

you know theres a wowhead guide

that has the exact sequence

[runic hinge]

I got epic goggles request on engi and I don’t have a point in goggles

[vague portal]

Yes I'm at work and I wanna know if I kinda have it somewhat in my head without looking at the guide

[waxen oyster]

How does work effect it

[runic hinge]

Dude was also tipping 500g on 5k mats request

[rotund oak]

i cant see an echoing reprimand anywhere after the typical ambush=>gar=>rup=>snd so u are missing something.Deathstalker uses ER and the faster u use it the faster u can forget about snd falling off.I try to press it as much earlier as i humanly can.That being said i press ER after snd and envenom=>my cds

[waxen oyster]

lore accurate

[rotund oak]

this is the accelerated version of sending them raw

[runic hinge]

Very

[balmy condor]

Idk how much people are tipping tbh im out of touch

I’m throwing like 2-5k at a public order

Is that insane

[waxen oyster]

No

[balmy condor]

Okay lit

[waxen oyster]

But when they tip likd 50g

for a partial mats order

and the missing mats is the expensive one

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah nah I provide mats

[runic hinge]

It’s the npc’s patron order

[rotund oak]

u are gonna make me fat,uve streamed yday,i ate pizza again

[balmy condor]

Well they tip knowledge points :3

[waxen oyster]

gonna be real

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

i only tipped anyone who had to make BH stuff more

[rotund oak]

🫶

[waxen oyster]

because of the extra trip

[runic hinge]

True but I’m like damn bruh you know how expensive shit is rn

[waxen oyster]

like eff the cartel if you aint using a limited mat

why am i tipping you stupid amounts

[grim jay]

I think ive used like 400k so far

[waxen oyster]

mfs in df charging like 10k tips

for no insight orders

💀

[rotund oak]

💀

[jade abyss]

How i get this cool fatebound symbol D:

[balmy condor]

Pins

[waxen oyster]

I like how apparently

they’re adding a dungeon deserter debuff

for leaving dungeons before they’re over

[vague portal]

ER?

[rotund oak]

echoing reprimand

[vague portal]

I mean 90 % of classes use the spider dungeon trinket as bis.. and ppl are leaving after the first boss don't drop it..if I was blizz I would give them the deserter buff for a day

[grim jay]

Its kinda stupid for content like that ngl

[balmy condor]

I thought this was already a thing

[grim jay]

Only if you leave before first boss is dead

[waxen oyster]

oh no my heroic dungeon bis

[topaz pebble]

can anyone point me to a pre season bis list?

[balmy condor]

No they can’t

Cause it doesn’t exist

[vague portal]

I'm glad is not bis for us according to wowhead

[balmy condor]

It’s basically bis

[waxen oyster]

i cant hahahahaha

my comment

and the guy below me

ahahhahah

[south lava]

When m0 comes out should we play fatebound or ds

[balmy condor]

I mean the pre-raid bis brainrot

Is so fucking high

I don’t get it

[drowsy estuary]

!wa

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[vague portal]

Ty for your guides.. make me not hate myself while at work .

[balmy condor]

I ran an ara Kara earlier and legit 3/5 people left after first boss

We cannot be for real

[balmy condor]

Np

[vague portal]

Yep, ppl are leaving even in normal

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna hit filter

[waxen oyster]

the best is when they’re like

doing 200k dps

[balmy condor]

What a bunch of fucking apes

[waxen oyster]

a trinket is the least of your problems

[balmy condor]

It’s like 0.7% better than a darkmoon deck at 580

These people cannot be real

They must be bots

[vague portal]

I was queueing while leveling the 3 or 4 times that dungeon pop ppl left after the first boss because no trinket... Even a healer in 2 of them ..like wut

[balmy condor]

Who are they

[grim jay]

I already felt bad to use the Ascension elixir casttime trinket because its way better, but man its basically puzzlebox

[willow vine]

Ye I was in a group with a three warrior stack and they left after getting a helmet from a boss? Lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah the healer is secretly a dps queueing as healer to queue faster

So they can leave the dungeon faster

What a bunch of fucking animals

[balmy condor]

They left after not getting trinket I assume

[willow vine]

Ye I have no idea, they started rolling after typing “yesss”

So that had me concerned asap

[shy pecan]

People are stupid

What a surprise

[waxen oyster]

they do realize

renown helm is better

and guaranteed

[grim jay]

Except that you need to do renown

And people hate renown

Or rep

Or dailies

[waxen oyster]

yet want to farm

[grim jay]

Or anything related

[civic adder]

must be wrong stats man

[waxen oyster]

pre season bis

[waxen oyster]

damn ye 0.1% worse helm

[grim jay]

Id rather farm heroic dungeons for 40h than grind renown

[civic adder]

Can't cope with bad dps if not bissed out

[willow vine]

My renown strat involves leveling alts thru side quests in one of the zones I didn’t do em on

Idk if it’s working cus I get bored as shit instantly

[civic adder]

it's the gear

[grim jay]

Btw there really are some classes with stat caps rn, like BDK needs what, 10% haste? For extra casts in the hero talent window

[grim jay]

Thats the issue

Its just boring

[waxen oyster]

i mean….

minmaxing heroic dungeon week

[grim jay]

Its important, how can you speedrun your m0 if you arent decked out

[waxen oyster]

sometimes when im doing 70% of a groups damage in dungeon finder

i assume they’re like 550 ilvl

then the pain starts when the number is higher than 570

[past forum]

Maybe I’m being immensely out of pocket here but isn’t like doing neither also an option?

[grim jay]

Best shit was yesterday, guys doing 0 damage but there was that DK posting details after every pull

Brother wasnt even 1st

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Sure, but you will be lower on ilvl

And some guilds require a certain preparation

[waxen oyster]

i think like

1 in 4 groups i join for tww dungeons

[snow kindle]

just craft 590 gear

[waxen oyster]

have a frost dk

[snow kindle]

[grim jay]

How without crests

[snow kindle]

the only thing you can farm is trinkets if anything

how do you not have crests

[grim jay]

How many can you craft without doing heroics or renown?

2 or 3?

[snow kindle]

like 9 i think?

or more

[grim jay]

Hu

[waxen oyster]

you can go delving

[grim jay]

I mean you need to do some form of content for crests

[iron carbon]

It's to not waste time in raid/ queueing M+ 🙂

[waxen oyster]

false

[snow kindle]

for the crest that go beyond cap you need renown for the other crests you can legit just fly around the world and pick up orbs.

[waxen oyster]

if you’re queuing m+ you’re wasting time

[grim jay]

Wq trinket and darkmoon deck are probably already best

[snow kindle]

yea if you want to pick up those for 200g thats cool too lol

[iron carbon]

I mean, you gonna queue less time day 1 cuz people gonna take you cuz of ilvl

[grim jay]

There are orbs for crests?

[snow kindle]

the blue/yellow orbs give crests yes

[waxen oyster]

or you can play with guildies

like a reasonable human

[grim jay]

The more you know. Only crafted a few pieces bcs im waiting for the weekend

[shy pecan]

If you’re queueing in LFG day one, probably gonna be in a lot of trouble

[snow kindle]

yea waiting is best since prices will drop signifcantly but crafting full 590 is easiest and best lol

[iron carbon]

Ofc 🙂 but not everyone got guildies

[waxen oyster]

its not a moba

[shy pecan]

Find one then. Make friends.

[grim jay]

Im doing lw myself, I just didnt have much time over the week and am just doing some professions and a dungeon here and there

[quiet oar]

They introduced devles

[grim jay]

Jokes on you, many will for tier

[quiet oar]

i dont have to

[regal sable]

u calling me out like this.....

[shy pecan]

Don’t make me catnerd you

[regal sable]

👁️👄👁️

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

ngl like

[iron carbon]

A lot of people do not have a guild . Cuz not interested by raid or stuff like it

[waxen oyster]

first week all the decent players are not going to be pugging

So you will be stuck with people who can’t differentiate a square from a triangle

[shy pecan]

There’s guilds that do just M+ and stuff

[grim jay]

Not true, I often pug in the morning if I have time off at m+ start and there are pretty good players around

Maybe because its in the morning and their mates arent there yet

[waxen oyster]

Oh i have too but its usually

at best “good enough”

[iron carbon]

There's guilds that also do nothing

[shy pecan]

I mean, ultimately up to you if you don’t wanna find a group of people to run keys or whatever with. But there’s a bunch out there that make it so you don’t LFG day one

[quiet oar]

WHen rogue isnt meta

[waxen oyster]

or just a friendgroup

[quiet oar]

It takes a long time

to get invited

Because

WE NEED A AUG TO MAKE THIS +3

[waxen oyster]

join on your aug

instant brick it

[runic hinge]

Smart. Ruin Augs reputation by playing badly in every key

[balmy condor]

TRUTH LOCATED

[iron carbon]

I mean, I'm not speaking about me, but trying to explain why some want to have min max stuff for day 1

[waxen oyster]

”d/c” every other pack

[quiet oar]

i repost a meme from yesterday

and thats just truth

and based

[waxen oyster]

i dont know anyone with a brain

that legit enjoys playing aug

[shy pecan]

Yeah, those 590 still doing the same damage that they would at 480 from DF 250k max

[quiet oar]

Have you ever seen an Aug on #1 on your details !?

Coincidence !?!?!?

[waxen oyster]

i guess cant say much i queued into. a city of threads

The other rogue was doing like 100k on trash

that i was 1.2m on

man had fok as his top damage

[quiet oar]

The worst Augs were the ones, playing augmentation when queueing normal dungeons

Like dude

Buy a boost !?

[potent lintel]

So without shadowstep how are yall dealing on mythic plus to get indiscriminate carnage effect when uve already used vanish

[waxen oyster]

How does shadowstep

[shy pecan]

You just spread ruptures.

And some garrotes on prio targets

[inner swift]

i was thinking, we aaint getting our hands on a myt track weapon anytime soon, crafting the stiletto even tho the effect is shit aint gonna be worth it? it is still 633 and can be moved to OH if we get a weapon from the vault no?

[potent lintel]

right but you have to be stealth for it to take effect

[waxen oyster]

regular daggers exist

[balmy condor]

if you craft a weapon you would put ascension on it, do more damage, and take no damage

[shy pecan]

To use rupture and garrote?

[balmy condor]

and scale into aoe

or

[potent lintel]

no to be able to spam garrote and rupture with indiscriminate carnge

[balmy condor]

you just craft a regular dagger

with no embel

and call it a day

[waxen oyster]

you can just tab rupture

[balmy condor]

cause embellishments in general are giga shit

[shy pecan]

Yeah, and if you don’t have IC, you just have to spread them one at a time. That’s all.

[waxen oyster]

People dont realize how easy sin is to multidot nowadays

[potent lintel]

I do have IC but before after a trash when the tank goes right into second trash and doesnt give me time to stealth i would either vanish or shadowstep.

[balmy condor]

bone spike goes so hard

[waxen oyster]

yep

instant full ct

[shy pecan]

Yes. I know what you’re saying about not being able to utilize your IC. Just means you have to rupture and garrote the old fashioned way that sin did.

[jade abyss]

Bonespike is hot

[runic hinge]

They’re gonna buff stiletto now that you’re talking trash

[balmy condor]

they already did by making it a dagger

[shy pecan]

If you don’t/wont have IC up, you just dot stuff what you can for the energy gen.

[inner swift]

it's not like i would care about the effect anyway, was just like in yo video you mentioned crafting like a wrist or something but i was like a weapon wouldn't be that bad of a choice(any of the regular crafted ones) either if you ain't lucky with a vault drop

[fair mason]

question: are we supposed to rupture multiple times even though it doesn’t stack?

[balmy condor]

well yeh ofc

[balmy condor]

no

[fair mason]

i did no damage in my run today but i’m new. i watched a guide on youtube and he was using rupture even when it was still applied

[balmy condor]

in pandemic maybe?

[runic hinge]

When IC is up it’ll smart target other mobs

[balmy condor]

or that

[waxen oyster]

Yes thats a refresh when short

Idk why people hyperfixate on IC

get a few ruptures out

CT and start spattering the big boy

in a large group

[rotund oak]

its the minmax brain saying ''doeverythingin6secondsorweareF'd''

[waxen oyster]

hell and im playing bleed in dungeons

hybrid has even more juice in its spatters

[fair mason]

i also noticed i was always out of energy and had to thistle tea a lot

[runic hinge]

Put more bleeds out

[rotund oak]

hybrid is

[runic hinge]

Make sure your poisons are on

[waxen oyster]

I enjoy it in real content

esp for the fat envs

with double amp in dm

[fair mason]

what is IC? do we spam rupture during that period?

[rotund oak]

100% same

[shy pecan]

Indiscriminate Carnage

[rotund oak]

indiscriminate carnage

[runic hinge]

I got a video for you. Hold on

[inner swift]

did they mention anywhere why the ah is closed?

[waxen oyster]

first time i used amp dm in df s1

wondering why i erased an rsham’s existence

[rotund oak]

fast asian is fast 😦

[runic hinge]

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?si=NsgG68aRuskr_Y0L

[marsh zinc]

Well right now the mage and wl on my group kill everything and the tank does the dungeon in like 2 pulls

[waxen oyster]

I thought stealthi was the asian

[runic hinge]

Watch that

[waxen oyster]

Sin is good at big pulls

[rotund oak]

they both are iirc

[shy pecan]

I’m more Asian than Stealthi

[quiet oar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[runic hinge]

[waxen oyster]

I’ve gotten over 2m on some cindermead packs

[balmy condor]

only?

[waxen oyster]

ik

tank was cringe

do you want an on use for bigger juice or nah

[dull copper]

quick question, does the damage of Lethal Dose also increase with non-lethal poisons applied

[balmy condor]

yes

[dull copper]

ah bummer, don't wanna take Crippling into dungeons but ty

[waxen oyster]

why its free

[dull copper]

Yeah but I feel when you want to pull mobs and move them you don't want them slowed

[wide portal]

Embellishments to craft?

[shy pecan]

Then take the one with slower attack/cast speed

[waxen oyster]

you need both if dtb

[waxen oyster]

slow down the chain pulling ape tank

or just wait for them to gather first

[round lantern]

i have a question about the opener. how does the first evenom proc deathstalker during deathmark window? isn't it only 4 combo point? (1 shiv, 1 kingsbane, 2 mutilate if no crit)

[dull copper]

Yea I run dragon tempered so that's why I asked, can take both

[versed vector]

No Authority of the Depths yet, what enchant should I use in the mean time?

[dull copper]

Haha yeah it's not really a big deal

[proud salmon]

what's the pandemic for rupture?

tooltip is bugged in game and doesn't show for 7 combo points

[quiet oar]

8,4 ?

oh with 7 CPs it might be different

nvm

[proud salmon]

yeah in my head it's 8.4 but just want to be sure

[quiet oar]

Prolly is more with 7 cps

i think

[proud salmon]

oh but you can just reapply at 6 so it's 8.4

feel like that's the answer

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[runic hinge]

Hmm

[waxen oyster]

Whatever's cheapest

[runic hinge]

It’s like 8 I think

That’s when I reapply

[proud salmon]

ty

[versed vector]

Thank you

[waxen oyster]

You are beyond cooked if you blow like 50k on a heroic dungeon weapon

[grim jay]

On wowhead, which is recommended as a guide, it says to mutilate up to 5 or more Cp for that envenom

[versed vector]

Yeah, wasn't gonna do that hahaha

[waxen oyster]

rank 1 crit or vers enchant seem the cheapest

like 2k a pop

[dull copper]

10.5 if you have increased duration and 9.6 if standard

[quiet oar]

Ye but remember that was with 6 cps

[proud salmon]

are you sure? 8.4 seems correct

[runic hinge]

Yeah but I don’t think I gotta be perfect tbh. I just send at 8 seconds regardless

[quiet oar]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

I just send to make sure it lasts

in my kb windows

[quiet oar]

i know garrot is 5.4 seconds

[balmy condor]

pandemic is 30% of whatever cp you're rupturing on