#assassination

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prisma monolithBOT
feral mason
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im done

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it gets cleared on purpose

hoary creek
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I've experienced this, it's frustrating when combat is chained and can't stealth for an ambush

feral mason
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@balmy condor interesting one to add to bug list maybe

crude nymph
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I'm confused, what's the correct opener?

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do I need to be in stealth ?

fair stirrup
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its psychology bud. there's damn near empirical research on it

novel star
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oh boy more bugs

nimble tartan
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bro using stats to gain rizz

fair stirrup
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"don't do things that are documented to work by other people, that are respectful, wholesome, non-intrusive" got it. this is not rogue stuff tho so i'll lay off it

novel star
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fatebound supremacy i guess

feral mason
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going to uncover more tonight

crude nymph
solid venture
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do women like pink parses? pink is usually a woman's favorite color right

feral mason
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if i can record the random mark disappearing thing as well, and know its not just me being delusional

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that'd be nice

nimble tartan
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ive got empirical data to level up my rizz

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HAHA

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i g2g

fair stirrup
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i'll pray for you fam

narrow marsh
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
runic basin
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wtf outlaw siming that high?

feral mason
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computer kinda cracked

runic basin
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so not correct?

feral mason
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i mean its still quite accurate

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other classes catch up tho

lapis bramble
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is Fok used on cleave or just 3+

feral mason
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bad stat scaling and all that

silk bane
# runic basin so not correct?

it is correct, and it does do that much. but outlaw suffers a lot from mechanics and downtime, making it not be able to actually keep the uptime required for that dps

severe sparrow
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now that everyone has short arms i cba with outlaw

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i wasnt good at positioning for good dps before

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id be trash now

thin latch
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
runic basin
quartz spear
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
pale plank
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!whispyr

dark token
# runic basin so not correct?

People will tell you "it's correct" then it never shows this performance in logs ever even on pure ST fights like terros

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Tbh always outlaw oversim compared to real world

runic basin
dark token
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Like every tier I've ever played outlaw is top simming road spec by 5% or whatever

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And in reality it's 3% behind assa

runic basin
feral mason
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it utilizes burst windows way better than outlaw + scales somewhat better

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it balances itself out eventually

waxen oyster
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I do feel people playing this in hc dungeons often

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dont utilize ct and spatter in big pulls enough

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then wonder why their damage is mid

feral mason
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idk maybe ive become too elitist but like

waxen oyster
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i've gapped non guildies in every hc dungeon i've done this launch so far

feral mason
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always wonder how people enjoy playing higher dungeons / keys without knowing what their class does

waxen oyster
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I think people expect to play every pull like wowhead says to

feral mason
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even that

waxen oyster
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and freak out if it goes offscript

feral mason
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as an experiment I did every pack with whispyr opener in heroic dungeons

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(minus the cd part)

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and still did 1.2m overall

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just follow exact instructions or something idk

gusty stag
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Pops all cds
Tank keeps running with pull

spice spire
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You run with

feral mason
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blink forward and pull with evasion so tank panics and doesnt pull more

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pro tip

spice spire
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We’re melee

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It’s free

feral mason
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for heroic dungeons

waxen oyster
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all cds you mean deathmark?

gusty stag
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😄

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Yes dat

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and slice n dice

narrow basalt
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Am I the only one doing bad damage on assasination now adays?

waxen oyster
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snd isnt a cd...

gusty stag
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Lol

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I was kidding ^^

feral mason
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quake the DN bug happened and i suddenly wasnt logging anymore

hardy venture
feral mason
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this shit feels like a bad horror movie

ivory flower
feral mason
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ghost isnt showing itself on the camera

grim jay
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why the hell doesnt the extra button from the story quest disappear after its done

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narrow basalt
waxen oyster
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Both builds are good

gusty stag
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Well tbf you gotta consider assa is better on longer fights

waxen oyster
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unless you have nothing to spatter off of

narrow basalt
strange python
gusty stag
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Many classes is very bursty... so right now it looks like assa is lacking, wait for m+

hardy venture
ivory flower
gusty stag
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Hybrid is the only true build right now.

waxen oyster
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i mean doesnt matter if it dies as you get ct out

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sd exists

feral mason
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huh?

hardy venture
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I open with Garrote > Rupture as many times as I can > Fan > Tempest > Mutilate > Fan > Spam Envenom on the highest health target. There is normally 1 target in the entire room that the tank pulls that has a shit ton more HP than others

feral mason
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oh hybrid is this build now

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names changed or smth

narrow basalt
gusty stag
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Powerless is much said

waxen oyster
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it feels fine to me

narrow basalt
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Damage is aight, just nothing compared to the other classes I play.

feral mason
spice spire
waxen oyster
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sudden demise does like 50% of your damage on packs

hardy venture
feral mason
hardy venture
gusty stag
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Don't overthink it and i think you prolly panic and spam fan of knives + tempest?

narrow basalt
ivory flower
feral mason
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i never send cds on aoe

hardy venture
# narrow basalt hybrid mostly

Tis the only build right now really.

Tanks can fuck you if they are chain pulling constantly and you never get a restealth

nimble tartan
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how often do i need to press dn should i track it?

narrow basalt
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true

hardy venture
spice spire
feral mason
spice spire
feral mason
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only five

waxen oyster
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I mean bleed fatebound can easily get over 1mil overalls

feral mason
waxen oyster
spice spire
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Yeah mf made 3 in a year tho wild

proven jasper
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Playing anything but bleed build rn is probably trolling

feral mason
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i lied

spice spire
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Mf it’s heroic dungeons

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Nothing is trolling

proven jasper
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its all troll

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Its heroics

feral mason
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seven children now apparently

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or soon anyway

proven jasper
waxen oyster
spice spire
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Yeah and if it’s all trolling nothing is trolling

proven jasper
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Fair enough

spice spire
proven jasper
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Im going to play minmin build from season 3

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no dm no kb

dawn oracle
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which weapon enchant you use before Authority of the Depths?

waxen oyster
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the cheapest tww one on the ah

dapper cradle
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anyone else had issues with whispyr's roll the bones WA not loading?

grizzled loom
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
narrow basalt
waxen oyster
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top 3 probably includes CT and SD

feral mason
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nah

gusty stag
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Yeah throw a details log

narrow basalt
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Like I said, I have been playing assassination and done good damge for a while. Just now I am struggling..

feral mason
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usually CT > CS > Envenom

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garrote rupture sudden demise afterwards in any order

narrow basalt
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I see. Im not far off then.

waxen oyster
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oh yeah envenom as poopstalker

narrow basalt
feral mason
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yall fatebound goobers wouldnt understand how good it feels to send DN envenom

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its worth every bug

waxen oyster
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i play both

narrow basalt
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Deathstalker for me isnt even registering on details

waxen oyster
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switching preserves some of my sanity

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jk im already mentally ill

feral mason
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real

narrow basalt
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corrupt the blood in 20th place, nothing else.

waxen oyster
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Yeah you are getting 0 value out of corrupt the blood

feral mason
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wdym hunt them down is op as fuck

waxen oyster
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in heroics

feral mason
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shits cracked

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most boring yet overtuned talent oat

waxen oyster
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hunt them down/clear the masses will have value

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singular focus will be good once we're doing real content

cursive flicker
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Fatebound players irl

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gusty stag
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fatebound outlaw is like "Maybe i dps, maybe i don't"

spice spire
waxen oyster
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oh right its witnesses

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same shit

narrow basalt
spice spire
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Gambling is life

waxen oyster
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i was leveling my dh and warrior before they fixed the scaling

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is this what it feels like to have real hero talents

narrow basalt
spice spire
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Dh talents are kinda shit iirc

waxen oyster
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well

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its also developed by realz

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so not surprised

strange python
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What are you smoking

spice spire
thorn fjord
thorn fjord
waxen oyster
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mountain thane is thematically cool

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Although worse than slayer which isnt the most visually impressive

waxen oyster
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Burst aoe vs sustained trees

errant night
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Hello guys. Wanted to ask something. I'm kinda new to the rogue class and I'd like to know if WoWHead or IcyVeins (btw which guide is better) guide is going to cover all the neccessary questions regarding Raids (lfr, normal and heroic, don't want mythic) and Delves? Sorry if there were a hundred similar question, I'm kinda new to Discord too haha

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and sorry for my English, I'm from a non-english-speaking country

empty timber
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I looted the dagger on the last boss of Darkflame Cleft, but instead of dropping 571 i got that exact dagger at 558 wtf

muted aspen
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Hey! Hello! :)
Going to level a rogue alt in normal dungeons and then do heroics.
Do I spec outlaw all the way for dungeon spam?

narrow basalt
spice spire
dapper cradle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
errant night
gusty stag
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vs Skardyn Monstrosity - 48 seconds. Single target with hybrid build.

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grizzled osprey
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Nice one

dapper cradle
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@balmy condor Any idea why the roll the bones buffs won't load in your WA pack?

grizzled osprey
gusty stag
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It's the default hybrid one from wowhead 🙂

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bleak stone
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what is the difference btween DS and FB ?

errant night
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From what I've seen

gusty stag
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FB is a bit more clunky i feel.. It's a little rng but not too much, sometimes you deal subpar, other times you deal more 🙂

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Deathstalker is more plannable

nimble tartan
royal lantern
mighty torrent
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Although DS is my favourite FB is quite cool, if you see your coins staking can use CB to try and get to the 7th flip nice little mini game there

royal lantern
bleak stone
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ok, and spec tree will change if i decide to go with FB ?

royal lantern
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you use CB on CD

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the only moment where you dont use CB on CD is on pull, and even that is some giga minmax shit

bleak stone
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what is CB sorry if I may ask?

royal lantern
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cooldblood

dapper cradle
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Cock n'

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Balls

royal lantern
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2004 ability that for some reason didnt get deleted

gusty stag
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it came back 😄

thorn wadi
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Above how many targets do you use fan of knives over mutilate?

gusty stag
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It was gone for a while was it not?

bleak stone
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is there a build for FB i can find anywhere?

gray hazel
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is there any reason why we would use the cursed ring enchant over the radiant one? Seems like a net loss in stats

vernal oyster
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
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Not for sin

bleak stone
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nice 😄

gusty stag
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Nah sin off stats sim pretty much identical

gray hazel
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dope, thanks!

gusty stag
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so cursed no good its better for classes who has a off stat that is useless.

gray hazel
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Yeah i figured we just want more stats no matter what

waxen oyster
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It's an intersting premise for specs that like one stat

gusty stag
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old sub rogue with mastery would love it

dapper cradle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
thorn wadi
errant night
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Are there any other viable videos (guides) on ass rogue (raids)? Besides Whispyr's one

waxen oyster
errant night
waxen oyster
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Then watch raid testing

errant night
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What is it exactly?

floral solstice
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Where can we find the current sims for all specs ?

errant night
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And where do I find it

waxen oyster
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People have already recorded footage of beta testing of bosses;

spice spire
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Like if x is happening should I do y or z

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Or like

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Finishing rules and stuff

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That’s a very generic and overlapping term on that and want to make sure the resource you want exists

candid wind
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is ambush supose to proc outside of stealth or how does that work? vanish ambush?

spice spire
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Outside of that vanish ambush, but darkest night should help with reapplication

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But it’s pretty hecking bugged

candid wind
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got a talent for it? or is it bugged cant find it

errant night
spice spire
waxen oyster
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That's literally going to vary boss by boss.

spice spire
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On a fundamental level of how do I deal damage

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Or you want a mechanic guide for things?

errant night
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How do I act, what buttons do I push

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etc etc

spice spire
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I feel like that would have been covered

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Like spreading bleeds

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fok

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Ct etc

candid wind
spice spire
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Open with ambush

faint path
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Should we craft 2x 590 dagger? with weathered

spice spire
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And then dn is supposed to reapply on final consumption of stacks with envenom

candid wind
waxen oyster
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im like pretty sure the guide goes over the rotation

drifting cloud
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hello makeitquake, what does dn stand for

faint path
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Should we craft 2x 590 dagger? with weathereds we wont need that so much anyway

errant night
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It's too specific. You know there are different guides (on yt) explaining how to play for example mage. They explain everything (not just build and rotation), but I found nothing regarding rogue

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in TWW ofc

spice spire
waxen oyster
acoustic roost
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What specifically do you want to know?

drifting cloud
waxen oyster
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Under "basic knowledge"

errant night
# waxen oyster It's literally the first section of his video

Sorry, I don't want to bother anyone and be annoying, but he didn't explain how to AOE afaik. And many other things I'd like to know as a beginner. I know that there is a complete guide on wowhead but I'd also like to see it with my eyes how everything goes and plays

waxen oyster
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You aren't really sustained aoeing in raid

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There's an m+ guide more suited for that.

acoustic roost
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tbh the best way, is to go out and play. hit a dummy for a bit. log it. etc

errant night
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That's why I ask this question 🙂
Like there are different situations and I'd like to know how to deal with the,

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them*

waxen oyster
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Yeah I mean the point of a guide

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is to explain how the spec mechanics work

faint path
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Guys is it make sense crafting 590s items with Weathered?

waxen oyster
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Depends on your gold

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If you're broke not really

strange python
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One message removed from a suspended account.

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One message removed from a suspended account.

cobalt sphinx
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yeah it is annoying af

spice spire
prisma monolithBOT
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

  • Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
    Echoing Reprimand....
  • Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
  • Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
    But the 3rd cp or something?
  • Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
    Does Blizzard know?
  • There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
spice spire
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There’s also more

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But yeah

gray horizon
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my body is ready

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cobalt sphinx
cobalt sphinx
spice spire
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I am not 🙂

charred helm
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how much dps do you guys do in hcs?

spice spire
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Depends on so much

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Like legitimately

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500 things

graceful rampart
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to craft 590 gear or to not idk anymore CryingManAnimated

cobalt sphinx
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750k usually, 500 in troll dungeons like dawnbreaker, 1m once or twice

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depends if the ret is robbing you of aoe

graceful rampart
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nah the rets ive been in parties with are bad and they should feel bad

dark token
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prob around 20k a piece in craft fee + 10k in mats

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craft mafia is insane because new crafting system more limited

junior yoke
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hello sorry I maybe missed this question a million times, when should I break t4?

waxen oyster
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are people limited on their crafts?

dark token
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yes

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its not a proc

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it costs a finite resource to guarantee r5

spice spire
dark token
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my guild making like 10 jewelcrafters

spice spire
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Whenever ilvl happens

dark token
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to get everyone's ring done

junior yoke
waxen oyster
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you cant proc r5 randomly anymore?

spice spire
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Oh

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You’re talking about leveling

dark token
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i expect hc week crafts to be like

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50-100k a piece

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craft fee

junior yoke
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I mean if I should break T4 for a +500 agi gloves XD

pliant remnant
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People minmaxing leveling gear OMEGALUL

junior yoke
spice spire
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0 idea speedran leveling and replaced everything on the way 🙂

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Still only took like 7 hours pre nerf

waxen oyster
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pov when my alts are 78

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and still in valdrakken

opaque sigil
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Hello, quick quetion. Wowhead at the M+ talents atm suggest to put point in Systemic failure, Blindside and Zoldyc recipe, instead of FatalConcoction, Amlifying posion, posion bomband dragon tempered blades. Is that correct?

visual prairie
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it guarantees it, but you have a limited amount of slowlly regenerating concentration points or something like that

waxen oyster
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oh

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still cheaper to go through guildies

cobalt sphinx
waxen oyster
cobalt sphinx
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carmine mirage
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So what's the deal with outlaw sims for ST/DS? We ignoring these? thinkPeepo

waxen oyster
vestal wren
onyx linden
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
opaque sigil
waxen oyster
charred helm
cobalt sphinx
waxen oyster
opaque sigil
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I am not generating energy at all with Bleed build in aoe, idkw. Feels really bad

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At aoe

spring prawn
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im way too bored lmao

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austere sorrel
charred helm
opaque sigil
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They are up in the 5 targets dummies,

vale shore
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Don't forget Shadowheart. She's the key to any competitive spec

opaque sigil
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I dont generate at the opener for some reason i feel like its bugged

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idk i ll try to make a short video to showcase. Can i post youtube links here?

runic hinge
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You got poisons on?

charred helm
opaque sigil
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lmao

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posions reset when i chage talents

rotund jungle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
opaque sigil
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no comment

waxen oyster
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arent dummies in perma execute range

runic hinge
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Depends on the dummies

charred helm
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not the one im hitting

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or maybe it was when i was hitting it

rain oyster
vestal wren
opaque sigil
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Bonus quetions. Serrated Bone Spikes. Is there a way to reset on dummies other than flying away or relogging?

subtle tundra
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no

vale cobalt
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sin rogue has been pumping for me in heroics so far, it's really nice

subtle tundra
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yes sudden demise feels good in easy content

spring prawn
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im not exploiting :d

gusty stag
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Fangs of the Queen, ilvl 575, Hybrid Build

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Iso, ilvl 575, Hybrid Build

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You can benchmark if you want 🙂

craggy haven
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Currently in Whíspyr rogue school.
On the opener card. Is the double garrote on the same target?

solid copper
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the hell do i craft first

faint path
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Death hybrid is best I guess right now

waxen oyster
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not for hc dungeons

charred helm
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as long as the targets are in range

faint path
craggy haven
waxen oyster
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Probably bleed if playing with real humans

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realistically it doesnt matter

gusty stag
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stuff dies too fast

waxen oyster
shy pecan
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That's what happens with trivial content sometimes

dense lodge
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Haste is really good for raid single target build isnt it? I keep simming higher with haste mastery stats instead of crit mastery

grizzled osprey
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Are you guys using specific macro for CB use ?

craggy haven
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Are we playing nelf?

waxen oyster
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who tf is “we”

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nelf does nothing in raid

shy pecan
prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
royal lantern
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and you play a elf

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🤢

kind forge
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Play the race you enjoy

waxen oyster
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nah nelf big i heard on zerocool stream HOLY

kind forge
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Increases your dps

proven jasper
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Looking good always makes you do more damage

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Its a proven fact

kind forge
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It is

solid copper
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look good feel good play good

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actual fact

waxen oyster
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The people who walk around with no mog

opaque sigil
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One more question i have is about the AoE rotation for the Hybrid build 4. Step Maintain Rupture on up to 5 targets for Scent of Blood. Is this an iron rule? It gives me 10% agility and generated a lot of Energy, but right now its very hard/annoying to maintain while doing heroic dungeons where everything dies fast. I keep hunting for a main target that will survive and changing targets constantly and having to back to main target to proc Caustic is also annoying. Sorry for the yap

proven jasper
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yes yes

waxen oyster
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are truly something

kind forge
waxen oyster
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or terribly unmatchibg mogs

royal lantern
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so its like, kinda w/e

pliant remnant
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"Is this an iron rule" is a trick question

waxen oyster
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You still get sudden demise value

pliant remnant
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'cause it's about HC dungeons, and there are no iron rules in HC dungeons

opaque sigil
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:p

formal ember
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can anybody help me with assasination rogue rotation Why wowhead tells 2 garrotes in row

west willow
charred helm
opaque sigil
west willow
still remnant
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at the moment is it better to play deathstalker or fatebound for dungeons etc?

proven jasper
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Wrong reply joe_stare

opaque sigil
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👌

formal ember
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thanks for everything ❤️

west willow
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as for the 'iron rule', you will have a pretty terrible time maintaining bleeds in heroics right now, and this isnt a key where your dps will affect the outcome so

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obviously, when you're in your opener, you can get them up super easily etc

mild star
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Is it ok to put CB with Envenom in macro ?

mighty lake
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ust got boosted to 70 through dungeons, got 0 gear, any advice other than AH?

still remnant
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diffculty im finding is staying in stealth atm as it all just hits me even in stealth and I can't apply my deathstalkers

west willow
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but you should be able to determine when you aren't going to be able to get value out of stacking scent of blood

royal lantern
west willow
opaque sigil
#

The spark of omens is relevant up to 606 ilvl?

west willow
#

without enchanted crests

opaque sigil
#

So kinda worthless atm

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next week i mean

west willow
#

dont use it

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i think you get a quest to kill last boss of raid on heroic and get the penultimate tier of enchanted crest

royal lantern
#

you should not craft a spark item simply because we dont know what embelishments will actuall be good

wicked carbon
kindred breach
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
waxen sandal
#

With dragon temp specced, i go deadly+amplifying?

pliant remnant
#

Si senor

broken falcon
#

Is there any downside to macroing Kingsbane and Deathmark together?

mild phoenix
#

is Deathmark off the gcd?

pliant remnant
#

No

spice spire
#

So it doesn’t work

mild phoenix
#

you'd be pressing it twice anyway

spice spire
uneven plume
#

If we dont get GB trinket, is Sharmorak Shard a good replacement?

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Or Sac/Edit better

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Edith*

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or w.e its called

opaque sigil
uneven plume
#

I cant get your trinket to drop

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and im sick of Dawnbreaker already

#

-.-

opaque sigil
#

What trinket? harvester?

uneven plume
#

Empowering Crystal

#

I wonder if it will sim better than Harvester

opaque sigil
#

ohhh

opaque sigil
uneven plume
#

Just 30 crests per piece

#

nothing to do so might aswell craft shit

#

min max heroics like a champ

#

xDD

opaque sigil
#

Bro you are losing dps on dwarf. Big mistake :p

waxen oyster
#

Is it even 30 crests when that gear isnt 590

gusty stag
uneven plume
#

It is. i dont think you need crests for it at the BoE ilvl

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which is 545 or something like that

thorn fjord
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
uneven plume
#

I can just find a JC to up it to 590

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If they are willing to use their conc

gusty stag
#

Same ilvl as you Stileta but 100k more 😛

opaque sigil
gusty stag
#

yeah my gloves hurt 😄

#

i cant find any

uneven plume
#

All my pieces cost i think 180 crests

#

and I have 30 more for belt if Crafting vendor works

golden marten
#

any softcap of haste for assasination rogue?

gusty stag
#

has to be 150 then

#

cause cap is 180 right?

shy pecan
prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
uneven plume
#

yah but if you get crests from rares or quests etc they did not add on to your cap

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idk if you can still od that

#

do*

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rings are currently r4. Idk what the JC needs to do to make it r5

gusty stag
#

what did you pay to craft rings?

uneven plume
#

like in commission?

gusty stag
#

nah like total cost

#

30 crests ofc

rich kayak
#

Hey guys, is there a bug with deathmark? I go into a boss fight off of a mob pack and have the original buff from ambush and then the max combo finsher buff, if i use max combos and consume deathmark it doesn't reapply it.

uneven plume
#

60 crests

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for both

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like

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20k gold in mats

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and like 5k commission

#

i have r2 missive on them

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r3 costs like 100kg

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f that

uneven plume
urban heart
#

so we wait with the spark?

uneven plume
#

just the mats again and commission?

gusty stag
uneven plume
#

so basically commission gold

gusty stag
#

T5 is hard, you need to be able to craft t4 clean with no concentration, then use that to bump to t5

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Which will cost you

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since its like a full 2 day of concentration

uneven plume
#

people probably gonna charge me an arm and a leg

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might aswell just keep em at 586

gusty stag
#

not worth going for 590

uneven plume
#

gonna get replaced anyways

gusty stag
#

yeah

#

all of it is placeholder.. tbh ilvl 580+ is useless cause its not like it will give you a headstart

#

if you have 585 or 580 wont really matter for m+ you gotta grind the keys up anyway

uneven plume
#

yah, just for now to kill time and practice dungeons

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and not do tank dps

#

plus i think raid opens earlier than m0 right?

#

at least normal raid

mild phoenix
#

same day

uneven plume
#

m0 drops loot per boss or at the end?

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like m+

mild phoenix
#

per boss iirc, could be wrong

gusty stag
#

Like look at this.. i am ilvl 574, but i can barely get any upgrades.. we talking less than 1% even 0.1% mostly.

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uneven plume
#

think its crafted gear and renown gear that give upgrades atr that point

#

up to you if you wanna try hard

cobalt sphinx
#

Spend some crests dawg

uneven plume
#

in preseason

cobalt sphinx
#

Or renown

gusty stag
#

Yeah but crafted gear will top out at 586 atm

#

crests into heroic items > 593

mild phoenix
#

590 but yeh

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theres not a lot going on rn

#

lol

junior aurora
#

!macros

south citrus
#

so its not worth going past 580?

junior aurora
#

worth a shot

gusty stag
#

590 is costly to craft in terms of concentration and gold tho

mild phoenix
#

right but that is crafted cap

gusty stag
#

It's def not "worth" going past 580

south citrus
#

bet

gusty stag
#

Only if you're bored

mild phoenix
gusty stag
#

Weapons + Trinkets go full out 593

mild phoenix
#

up to, only costs valor stones

gusty stag
#

rest to 480

cobalt sphinx
#

The weathered crests are dog anyway you might as well use them

gusty stag
#

580*

visual prairie
#

but they're crests that have no purpose other than upgrading this crappy preseason gear

#

so use them

mild phoenix
south citrus
#

gotchaa

cobalt sphinx
#

Keep your delve keys though

gusty stag
#

Put crests into weapons, trinkets and possibly like chest, rings & neck.

clear nexus
#

its not likely you will replace your hand/trinket after 1 week m0

gusty stag
clear nexus
#

and not really during first push week

gusty stag
#

You can get this on chest for example..

clear nexus
#

vers :l

gusty stag
#

2790 agi 😄

silver otter
#

Ilvl matters a lot more

mild phoenix
#

if you have the luxury of having multiple items to get to where you want stat wise, cool
otherwise go for ilvl

clear nexus
#

yes but im just saying weaps before chest

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imo

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i think

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i mena

#

like what isnt it just better

mild phoenix
#

main hand, sure

south citrus
#

and asfar as flight stones just spam heroics?

silver otter
#

I got chest but I need someone to recraft my daggers r5 they are just r3 atm

red trout
#

hi, how does rogue feel in tww? is assa smooth eveling experience? i am starting expansion right now 🙂

mild phoenix
#

oops wrong reply my bad

clear nexus
visual prairie
#

if you have a tank friend, and you queue for like the spider heroic that doesn't have dumb search for fangs mechanic, you can spam 5 or 6 heroics in an hour and that's 360ish stones.

clear nexus
#

used boost, hopped on, started campaign. finished it and did dungeons to 80

uneven plume
#

sub prob easiest to level, outlaw most mobile. Sin was good when sudden demise starts xD

cobalt sphinx
#

it wasn't "hard" but it wasn't a breeze either

gusty stag
clear nexus
#

huh does it

#

ive had a hard time distinguishing the currencies

gusty stag
#

uses this

image.png
#

this is the mythic keystone ones

visual prairie
#

yeah, i'm not spending those yet. m0 items will need those

#

and i'd regret not being able to upgrade a weapon becuase i boosted a veteran chest

gusty stag
#

Im 99999% sure you will get capped

clear nexus
visual prairie
#

that's my point, there's a cap

gusty stag
#

no you misunderstand

#

once season begins

clear nexus
#

me currently ,593 chest, 593 weapon, 503 trinket

gusty stag
#

the 105 will count towards your season cap, if you save them.

clear nexus
#

wait

gusty stag
#

Cause the event drops is repeatable

clear nexus
#

im 10/180 season cap

gusty stag
#

Which means crests would be endless once season starts

clear nexus
#

have total 105

#

at season start

#

i get 115/180

cobalt sphinx
#

i highly doubt it

gusty stag
#

They did that in dragonflight

#

So just warning you heads up 😛

clear nexus
#

what's he saying

#

show ur currency tab

#

baiter

paper heart
#

anyone know what our 2nd best weapon enchant is

cobalt sphinx
#

he's saying that existing crests that are supposed to ignore the cap will contribute to the cap on season start

gusty stag
#

Technically you could get into season 1 mythic+ with like 1000 crests

iron carbon
#

!macro

gusty stag
#

and just upgrade everything fully week 1

#

Im 100% sure they won't allow that..

distant plinth
gusty stag
#

Let me find the roadmap

#

you can see why ill try to explain

iron carbon
#

!cb

#

ffs

cobalt sphinx
#

"These Crests ignore the seasonal cap"

iron carbon
#

Someone can tell if it's okay to just macro CB on envenom and forget about it?

cobalt sphinx
#

so he's saying that blizzard will contradict this wording

#

and apply the cap to these crests anyway

mild phoenix
#

im still not spending carved rn lol

distant plinth
#

I spent it all cus he said it

mild phoenix
#

bait bait bait

distant plinth
waxen oyster
#

tbh its impressive

#

how sweaty people are over preseason gearing

distant plinth
#

What else is it to do?

waxen oyster
#

Real life

#

other games

distant plinth
#

Real life in azeroth?

cobalt sphinx
#

"real life"

waxen oyster
#

You can't even get many carved rn can you?

cobalt sphinx
#

ridiculous for people to keep waffling over that

distant plinth
cobalt sphinx
#

when wow came out, people wanted to play wow

waxen oyster
#

i forget where they were from specifically

#

i just do my weeklies and cap crests

opaque sigil
#

Does anyone have raidbots premium? My cards keep declining throughtout the years

distant plinth
#

@gusty stag ???? Are you hiding now or

gusty stag
#

No i was looking for info 😄

distant plinth
#

Whats this

gusty stag
#

So the carved ones

#

You will only be able to upgrade m+ items once

waxen oyster
#

Yeah carved only drop from weeklies rn don't they.

gusty stag
#

one level

cobalt sphinx
waxen oyster
#

Since all those other content forms aren't out yet

cobalt sphinx
#

rather save them for champ items than burn them on vet

gusty stag
#

Already from mythic +3 you cannot use carved harbringer crests anymore

#

But they are suppose to be used for vet/crossover for champ

distant plinth
gusty stag
#

You cannot upgrade champion items more than level 1 according to data

glass raptor
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
cobalt sphinx
#

according to whose data lol

#

it operates differently from weathered->carved?

gusty stag
#

icy veins

visual prairie
#

more than what?

gusty stag
visual prairie
#

crests havne't changed. goint from veteran 4-8 takes carved and going from champion 1-4 takes carved

#

i'd rather use carved on champion

gusty stag
#

But they are saying its not carved

visual prairie
#

you are not carved

gusty stag
#

Weathered from 1-4 and runed from 5-8

cobalt sphinx
#

yeah that's just an error in the article

waxen oyster
#

Tbh this release schedule is better

#

than DF's

cobalt sphinx
wicked carbon
#

Fuu's spreadshit does align well with Izen's tbf

waxen oyster
#

DF was just cringe

cobalt sphinx
#

i'm gonna stick to this guy

distant plinth
gusty stag
#

😛

hoary remnant
distant plinth
wicked carbon
#

I don't know him and I hear a lot of people criticize him yeah. From what I see from Fuu's spreadsheet though the information is very similar.

hoary remnant
#

Izen is a perfect example of clickbait half baked information put into a spreadsheet so it looks good

#

its not simuliar its just for rogue purely false

waxen oyster
#

Every wow youtuber produces false info

gusty stag
#

Im telling you the spreadsheet is wrong, you can literally debunk it in 5 seconds

waxen oyster
hoary remnant
#

also tuning isnt done, bugfixes are happening daily

gusty stag
#

just google gear upgrade beta test

waxen oyster
#

It's impressive people listen to what youtubers say.

wicked carbon
gusty stag
#

the one linked above

hoary remnant
waxen oyster
#

This is all overcomplication

#

if you have 590 gear you're good for raid week

#

the end

wicked carbon
#

Competitiveness of a spec is important to me

waxen oyster
#

How does that relate

#

to you sweating over week 1 gear

wicked carbon
#

Assa looking quite weak on those spreadsheets

hoary remnant
hoary remnant
#

Talk to aug evokers tell them what is better to buff sub or sin

visual prairie
gusty stag
#

Im just telling you 606 is as high as you will get using the carved crests, so you might as well upgrade your chest

hoary remnant
#

they will tell you sub so you will play sub

gusty stag
#

No reason to save them

cobalt sphinx
#

you're correc

#

in that statement

visual prairie
#

606 is as high as they will get it, but you can use them on gear that goes HIGHER than 606 if you wait

cobalt sphinx
#

you can upgrade a champ item to 606 and then further upgrade it with runed crests

visual prairie
#

that chest doesn't got higher than 606

cobalt sphinx
#

but vet items are hard capped at 606

waxen oyster
#

Wait why are you playing zandalari if competitiveness matters

gusty stag
#

But... you wont need to upgrade your chest before you find a chest thats higher than 606

visual prairie
#

dude, nevermind.

gusty stag
#

Which you then have runed crests for?

#

I mean 😄

wicked carbon
gusty stag
#

Waiting for an item to then upgrade it to 606 is just gonna put you behind 😛

waxen oyster
#

on sims

cunning basin
gusty stag
#

Runed for the first couple of weeks is going for weapons, trinkets.

#

Chest wont be touched for quite a while.

waxen oyster
#

the guy talking competitiveness Y_KEK

cunning basin
#

Aintnoway

hidden dirge
#

how does the cp refund work with bone spike + indiscriminate carnage - shoudn't i get only 4 points?

visual prairie
#

the first week, you can only do m0 before raid. what does m0 drop?

spice surge
visual prairie
#

and what track is it?

#

and what do you need to upgrad it/

#

carved

#

you doofus

waxen oyster
#

No one was playing outlaw in testing

#

From what I saw

distant plinth
spice surge
gusty stag
#

You gonna get full m0 gear in week 1? 😛

#

You be lucky if you get 2 items 😄

cunning basin
#

Outlaw not real

distant plinth
cunning basin
visual prairie
#

you can do all 8 dungeons every day. it didn't take me long to fully gear in heroics

spice surge
#

So you get 1 cp from the first spike, 2 from the next (because it hit 1millisecond later so theres a debuff up), 3 from the last one

uneven marsh
wicked carbon
distant plinth
#

This guy is trolling you guys

waxen oyster
gusty stag
#

Didnt know about daily reset 😛

#

That ofc changes something

distant plinth
gusty stag
#

It was weekly last time i played 😛

waxen oyster
cunning basin
past forum
snow kindle
#

I’d still craft 590 gear next week the crests are useless otherwise and might aswell make yourself strong before heroic raid if you plan on doing it Tuesday

spice surge
#

Ye

cunning basin
past forum
#

k i assumed so but i wasnt sure

gusty stag
#

I stand my point about my chest tho 😛

waxen oyster
pulsar apex
#

ello trying to do a Wispyr video FB friendly Cold Blood / Envenom macro but no joy., anyoue have one?

distant plinth
spice surge
#

6 vs 7 cp doesnt really matter as youll finish anyway, but youre correct that seal fate works on bonespike too

gusty stag
#

I didn't use any of my cap for this 😛

image.png image.png
waxen oyster
#

im probably going to craft gear because no valorstone cost

#

and i cba to farm more

past forum
#

i guess it lets you DN right after rupture

visual prairie
#

you used your crests. you would still have those crests. they do not count against your cap

#

but it truly doesn't matter

#

you'll be fine

gusty stag
#

This is good for m0 😛

image.png
waxen oyster
#

also kind of not an issue with gold when you have over 2m

cobalt sphinx
#

blistering ":P" per minute

visual prairie
#

if you have to wait a few days to upgrade an item 3 ilvls who gives a poop

gusty stag
#

I understand you

waxen oyster
gusty stag
#

But I just mean my chest is 606 now. if you find a chest in m0 and use same amout of chests to get it 606, sure you can upgrade it further 🙂

#

But would you really use runed crests for chest first? 😄

cunning basin
pulsar apex
visual prairie
#

i'm still talking about carved, buddy

waxen oyster
cunning basin
#

I usually run 150 or so keys week one of season anyways so who gives a fuck about blue gear

visual prairie
#

you will only get 90 carved that week. it takes 60 to upgrade an m0 item. i get a weapon and 2 trinkets

lavish hazel
#

we must vanish pretty early during the first deathmark so the 2nd we have vanish early right ? in raid

visual prairie
#

not i can't upgrade them because i spent carved on a worhtless veteran track chest

gusty stag
#

Nooo you will get much more?

waxen oyster
#

you vanish once your garrote is around 6?

#

Which is relatively early

visual prairie
#

noooooo

lavish hazel
waxen oyster
#

hasnt changed from prepatch

waxen oyster
gusty stag
#

I already have 180 cap, in 2 weeks it will be 360 crests?

cunning basin
#

You just wait 5 or 6 seconds

waxen oyster
#

oh no its not a perfect 2:00 mark

#

shambles

lavish hazel
#

nvm

cunning basin
#

More important to have impgar than to cast dm exactly on cd

visual prairie
#

ok fair. still won't be easy to farm in the first week because there's no repeatable m+

#

low level

shy whale
#

hey guys, i am looking to pick up roge (returning player) It's probably too early to tell, but maybe I am wrong.. how is assassinaton looking right now? (I am worried if i pick rogue I'll relive my nightmares of long waiting time for pugs.. as people mostly choose top dps classess.. sigh. meta...)

waxen oyster
#

Bigger travesty is I had to sit next to French tourists yesterday on public transit.

#

10 minutes of hearing French, agony moment

gusty stag
#

I completely on same page with you there

pliant remnant
cunning basin
pliant remnant
#

Blizzard has not announced that they'll stop tuning from now on.

waxen oyster
#

pugging is miserable regardless of what you play

shy whale
#

no friends that wanna play (just one) sadly

waxen oyster
#

Idk make friends

#

wow is meant to be more social its not a moba

runic hinge
#

Find a guild!

cunning basin
#

Pugging is always gonna be fuckin miserable

#

I pugged my way to around 3200 and every moment was agony

acoustic roost
#

There’s a new player friendly m+ community discord out there

gusty stag
#

@visual prairie I just don't think you will get full mythic gear week 1, atleast personally for me that will never happen. so I won't be "crestlocked" from getting my gear higher than 606.. I wont get full 606+ week 1 and chest will def not be main focus, so i thought i'd get started on that.. Also every tryharder has it 606 (top guilds) for raids atleast 😛

cunning basin
#

I do not recommend it lol

feral mason
#

we critting

image.png
distant plinth
visual prairie
#

yeah, its' fine to send carved crests on whatever you want honestly if you think you'll be able to do +6 pretty fast after m+ opens.

acoustic roost
#

12 of the same slot you mean 😭😭

distant plinth
#

I believe in you skby

hoary remnant
distant plinth
cunning basin
feral mason
#

14k crit 11k mastery

hoary remnant
#

Outlaw is not a raid spec expect you have consistant aoe. Even in DF S1 it was good on 2 target cleave (kurog) and sub and sin are now better at that

feral mason
#

pretty good rn no grinkle

cunning basin
winged basin
#

cant wait for the st opener to be absolutely engrained into my bones, least favorite part of new stuffs

cobalt sphinx
#

pawnmaxxing stat weights

cunning basin
#

Using clear the witnesses is hard, so much muscle memory

brisk matrix
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
cunning basin
#

But we ball

distant plinth
spice spire
#

Always down to ball

distant plinth
cunning basin
winged basin
distant plinth
spice spire
#

Good luck have fun

#

Ele shaman tho SmileDog

cunning basin
distant plinth
winged basin
cunning basin
#

My name is number 1 dust hater for a reason 😉

waxen oyster
#

real chads play enhance anyway

cunning basin
#

Enhance is the way, the truth, and the light 🙏

winged basin
#

I tainted myself with enhance for 2 tiers, hated my life, went back to ele, life good Surebud

cunning basin
#

Ele 🤢
Enhance gigachad

spice spire
waxen oyster
#

ele is like mage

winged basin
waxen oyster
#

except your immunity is a 30min cd

#

instead of 3

#

and you don't have 7 defensives

cobalt sphinx
#

i think ele is boned right now

#

you literally only chain lightning

#

turn up to the dungeon and just cast chain lightning until the dungeon ends

spice spire
#

Close enough

winged basin
#

ele is in a solid spot rn, but its boring asf, and the talent revamp did nothing but make the spec worse xd

cunning basin
#

Fucking mage

waxen oyster
#

its either mage

winged basin
#

they heard people say they wanna cast lightning again, and said ight bet, and made us only cast lightning bolt

cunning basin
#

What it must be like to be Blizzard's favorite lil princess

waxen oyster
#

or warlocks gaslighting and hiding their sims

#

until mythic week

winged basin
#

warlocks are creatures, they cant help it, its hard denying that 2 of their 3 specs are always in the meta no matter what kekw

real pike
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
real pike
#

so using envenom on an ER empowered combo point doesn't count as 7 for Darkest Night purposes

swift marten
#

Anyone know if I only need to complete the max level campaign on 1 character?

real pike
swift marten
#

This one

#

This is like the end one though not the leveling campaign

#

Just to make sure we’re on same page

real pike
#

oh god knows then sorry

waxen oyster
swift marten
#

😢

shy pecan
#

Windows + Shift + S also works

swift marten
#

Can you skip the level up campaign and the max level campaign?

#

After completing on 1 character

shy pecan
#

Yes

swift marten
#

Sweet thanks

shy pecan
#

Just have to go to Thrall in Silithus and click on the skip option on that character

spring prawn
#

what embelish do i put on weapon? i know tuning isnt final but i just wanna put something on ther cuz why not

#

its not spark weapon anyways

waxen oyster
runic hinge
formal pasture
#

what talent tree should i run if im spamming dungeons to level up from 60-80.

wicked carbon
shy pecan
shy pecan
waxen oyster
#

king's honor friend

#

Even if said king got disenchanted.

gray raven
#

Anyone playing the second point of Lethality rather than resounding clarity?

cobalt sphinx
#

That’s what the discord command says to do

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Probably doesn’t matter much either way but at least you won’t have the anxiety of bugged interactions

gray raven
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oh even maybe ditch ER totally?

waxen oyster
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No

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unless you play fatebound

gray raven
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no playing DS

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ok cool - will run 2 in lethality for a bit

waxen oyster
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I mean realistically doesnt matter

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its just heroic dungeons

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and wqs

frail escarp
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do i use a weathered crest to craft a 590 weapon or use it to upgrade a heroic weapon to 593

clear nexus
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what trinket are you guys using

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for when m+ comes online

simple gulch
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how the heck do you keep your energy above 150 and is it significant to do so?

clear nexus
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Signet of Priory and Ara-Kara Ballsac

shy pecan
prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

  • For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
  • For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

clear nexus
worldly nebula
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you couldnt in DF could you?

shy pecan
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You could after you completed it on your first character

clear nexus
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isnt this general nonsence

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what about trinkets

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(not my rules)

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;)

simple gulch
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thanks my dude, new to assassination, last xpac ran sub....this is umm different

worldly nebula
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Having played both assa and sub last tier, assa is just a lot nicer with cd usage. Sub was hella cringe to me

brisk matrix
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whats a good secondary enchant for weapons Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths isnt available on my server yet.

worldly nebula
clear nexus
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spread garrote while you have the 6 second window, spread rupture within the 6s window, mutilate highest hp target, build combo points, spend on envenom on caustic splatter target if >3 Mobs, spend one 1 Crimson Tempest, then envenom

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as simple as i cant explain at my current function

worldly nebula
brisk matrix
worldly nebula
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personally i cba to buy enchants b4 raid. not like there is hard content

frigid plover
rich kayak
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Does anyone have a WA or something so that i can see my deathmark target better when there are large pulls? I use Naowh's plater profile but I don't know how to change it so my Deathmark target is very visibile.

delicate imp
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Is there a rep we should prioritizing?

distant plinth
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Only r1 for killing rares faster tho

royal lantern
prisma monolithBOT
atomic creek
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Is it intentional that Deathstalker's mark doesn't refresh when using a reprimand cp? Isn't it supposed to act as if it's max cp?

twin sparrow
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
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!dn

prisma monolithBOT
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

  • Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
    Echoing Reprimand....
  • Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
  • Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
    But the 3rd cp or something?
  • Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
    Does Blizzard know?
  • There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
atomic creek
knotty vapor
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the guide doesn't seem to mention enchants, what's best for this?

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keen viper
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
arctic socket