assassination

[balmy condor]

Gottem

[thorn fjord]

What’s apple bobbing

[spice spire]

We made the same joke

[balmy condor]

I ain’t even south enough for apple bobbing

We don’t have that in libland

[runic hinge]

Do you think bobbing for apples is harder in the south cause they ain’t got teeth

[balmy condor]

It’s like a state fair/carnival thing where you gotta fish apples out of a barrel full of water with nothing but your mouth

[spice spire]

That’s what makes it wild

[spice spire]

Nah it’s easier

[balmy condor]

It’s like consensual water boarding

[spice spire]

That’s more space to grab apples bud

Like a squirrel with a nut

[thorn fjord]

I meant the colloquial version of it

[balmy condor]

Oh

[thorn fjord]

😏

[balmy condor]

Colloquially it’s me going to town on make until it quake

[thorn fjord]

Wish I would be that lucky

[bronze pike]

ya

THESE APPLES

[thorn fjord]

Gotta squeeze the nips

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s literally the joke we’re making

[balmy condor]

Ret paladin slow as hell

[spice spire]

Literally

[balmy condor]

Wheelchair class on god

[bronze pike]

no

[spice spire]

Don’t ask for gumbo btw

[bronze pike]

i just read apples and went for it

[balmy condor]

I don’t think this makes it any better

[spice spire]

Remby actually dunked on

Crazy

[high sundial]

Noob question, but im confused: should I apply Deadly- before amplifying poison?

Dragon-tempered blades says that the 'additional' poison have 30% less application chance. So is the 'additional' defined as the one applied last?

[thorn fjord]

Doesn’t matter the order you apply them

[high sundial]

ok thanks

[rigid sierra]

New to Sin in TWW, just trying to figure Sanguine Blades out. Does it work like a snapshot where if im above 50% energy when casting the bleed it does more, or is it any time the bleed ticks while im above 50% it consumes to do more? Cheers

[balmy condor]

We nerf all poisons indiscriminately

[balmy condor]

It’s by the tick

If a bleed ticks while you’re above 50%, it’ll eat energy and do the extra damage

[rigid sierra]

Awesome, thanks

[balmy condor]

Essentially giving you 6 energy instead of 8

[thorn fjord]

Hungry hungry hippo

[rigid sierra]

Right that makes a lot of sense, cheers 😄

[thorn fjord]

Yo renown check

Y’all above 10 yet?

[pliant remnant]

No

[spice spire]

Nah sorry I decided to work instead

[thorn fjord]

I threatened to quit yesterday and my boss was like go ahead

Peepee shrunk right into my body

[runic hinge]

I have threads at 9 but I’m finishing loremaster instead of grinding one specific one

[wicked carbon]

Hey guys, this has probably been asked a million times but should I prioritize consuming darkest night asap ?

[bronze pike]

nooo not like this

[quaint dragon]

yes

[pliant remnant]

My max is like 5, on Hallowfall

[thorn fjord]

I’m 8-7-5-4 currently

[violet talon]

Is Deathstalker even playable right now? I feel like with the ER synergy missing it wouldn't be able to hold up to how well Fatebound is doing

[thorn fjord]

It is

FB is def more Chillen atm

[runic hinge]

I’m 8-8-6-9

[mild hearth]

.

[ripe carbon]

im 9-8-9-8

[uneven plume]

when we open in ST spec, we not opening with improved garrote?

thats later in the rotation after DM rotation?

[runic hinge]

Improved garrrote lasts 6 seconds if you’re playing DS you’re gonna ambush>garrote

[dense cove]

is it worth using all weathered crests to craft 590 items if you don't mind spending gold?

[uneven plume]

We dont use Subt with DS in ST tho accoridng to WoWhead

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think crafted is more efficient, a 590 item costs 45 crests through upgrading but only 30 crests through crafting as far as i can tell

[runic hinge]

Read the improved garrote talent for me

[uneven plume]

ahh yah youre right

i was reading shrouded suffocation

same icon xD

[dense cove]

that's what i was thinking as well. just don't know if it's worth spending all the crests or if they'll be needed in the future to upgrade mythic 0 items

[cobalt sphinx]

it seems like once m0 comes out, weathered crests will be borderline useless

[ripe carbon]

weathered goes up to 593

[cobalt sphinx]

or become irrelevant extremely quickly

[celest marlin]

yo is Crimson used in ST situations?

[ripe carbon]

either get a headstart at 590 or save crests and have extra peices at 593 that u dont get from m0?

i dunno

[still remnant]

Is crafting something gonna be worth like the embellishements or is it not known yet?

[final star]

zerocool is a menace

recommending 2x vanish

actual sandbagger

[uneven plume]

zero is probably higher rated than 99% of the people here

xD

[final star]

doesn't stop him being stupid does it

[cobalt sphinx]

another vanish because you're never gonna stealth when the whole dungeon is chain pulled

[uneven plume]

im sure itll work fine to 2x vanish

[final star]

2 extra vanish casts a dungeon and 2 talent points that are LITERALLY zero dps

[balmy condor]

3 or more

[bronze pike]

and yet

things double vanish is useful

hmmge

[uneven plume]

I mean whatever. its too early too tell

[final star]

no it's not LOL

it is undeniably

mathematically

less

and it's not even close

[trail relic]

Hey Guys, maybe this Question was answered before but here are so much messages. I have Problems with Energy in ST-Fights. Is it just my Haste (actuall 9%) or do i have to change something in the rota?

[uneven plume]

for all we know, sin can be nerfed into the gulag and playing it troll in itself

[balmy condor]

That’s the design of the spec

[spiral steeple]

you re playing sin not outlaw

u will run out of energy

[uneven plume]

just macro tea into all of your abilities

problem solved

[bronze pike]

always the yellow names

[quaint dragon]

Do we keep our enrgy above 150also when not in kingsbane window?

[trail relic]

❤️ thanks

[shy pecan]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[frosty shard]

hey, EB still bugged ?

[gilded oasis]

si

wait EB? or ER

[cobalt sphinx]

are you supposed to use fan single target with the deathstalker buff

[balmy condor]

if you aren't using vicious venoms, yes

[cobalt sphinx]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[dense cove]

@balmy condor do you see any downside to spending all weathered crests to upgrade gear this week?

[cobalt sphinx]

another button to press

[fleet pagoda]

Mikes are taking over

[balmy condor]

I think it's more efficient to craft gear with the crests

but probably not a big deal either way

[cobalt sphinx]

afaik relic coffer keys give 603 gear so the only really important min/max you can do right now is NOT use them

that and get 24 renown

[ripe carbon]

wat renown u guys going for?

[cobalt sphinx]

low m+ gear clears pretty much all other items available

[dense cove]

that's kinda what i was thinking as well. wonder if it's possible to craft 590 with embellishments this week

[spring cradle]

Did you make a YouTube video about m+ yet??

[balmy condor]

si senior

[balmy condor]

should be

might be tough finding a crafter with enough concentration to pull it off though

[dense cloud]

it is

there is a lot of people advertising crafting 590 w embs

on eu there is a lot atleast

[thorn fjord]

Nice taking off tier means i dont get killed in like 5 hits now

[runic hinge]

Echoing blades

[dense cloud]

I just dont know what kind of emb we supposed to get

[balmy condor]

oh god

that's a lot of notifications

[gilded oasis]

just dont look

[gilded oasis]

[edgy crystal]

its better to craft 590 so i dont waste my valor stones?

[gilded oasis]

we have 2 (?) weeks until you need valorstones you're going to cap and be over capped if you don't spend any. Might as well upgrade heroic gear to 580 to keep under cap

[edgy crystal]

anything specific i should craft

[balmy condor]

a mainhand dagger if you don't have one

[edgy crystal]

yueah i didnt get any yet

how many can i craft

[balmy condor]

otherwise just kinda whatever slot you think looks cool, wrists/belt if you're planning on recrafting for embellishment down the road

[balmy condor]

should be able to craft 2 things by the time mythic comes out

[ripe carbon]

how much is the weekly cap increase, 90?

[edgy crystal]

but the 590 doesnt require spark right

[ripe carbon]

weatherd crest doesnt im pretty sure.. which is 590

[balmy condor]

yeah

no spark, but it requires a crest

[balmy condor]

I have no idea tbh lmao

completely forgot about the cap increasing

[edgy crystal]

so every 40 i can craft with

[marble hemlock]

90 per week, yes

takes 60 crests to go to 593 if you upgrade

[edgy crystal]

good i might just do 2 daggers for now

[marble hemlock]

costs 30 crests to craft a 590

[dense cove]

so you can basically be full 590 with embellishments if you craft most pieces this week and next. you'll just be broke xD

[marble hemlock]

crafting blue gear isnt that expensive

[dense cove]

but if you have the gold it seems to be the best way

[edgy crystal]

gold is no isue

[ripe carbon]

so basically all peices 590 (minus one), or 7 peices 593 (with 30 left over)>

if my math correct?

[marble hemlock]

pmuch ye

[dense cove]

next week the cap should increase to 270 for weathered crests, plus there are some quests that allow you over cap. but even at 270 / 30 crests per 590 craft, you're looking at 9 pieces of 590 crafted gear

[ripe carbon]

at 10th september i mean when mythic comes out

[subtle tundra]

I'd argue calling it hc week better

Cause mythic+ and mythic raid aren't out

[ripe carbon]

true

[wide badge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[marble hemlock]

keep in mind you can get a bunch of 584 items from renown, and renown also gives a bunch of extra crests that go above the cap

[past forum]

can you use those "above cap" items right away or do you have to cap first then use them?

[ripe carbon]

nah it doesnt count towards cap

so it just adds with allowing more from cap

so if u 30/90 week, then get 15 from renown, ur at 45 plus 30/90 weekly remianing

[past forum]

thought so, but i just wanted to make sure. i think things like that didnt work favorably in the past but that coulda just been speculation

[thorn fjord]

Fern gully

[violet island]

Keep in mind that the 270 cap does not include one-time sources which is like another hundred

Oh it looks like you guys got there

Sorry I started at the top

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/started-from-the-bottom-now-were-here-hardwork-pays-off-drake-gif-13386082

[violet island]

Well I figured rogues were used to being on bottom so

[frosty shard]

ER mb

[thorn fjord]

yo @balmy condor WA updates are fucking POG

[hearty coral]

man poison bomb proc feels amazing

[balmy condor]

ty

[glass spade]

do we want to upkeep on crimson tempest during single target or is that considered a DPS loss

[balmy condor]

awful single target loss

you only use it on 3 or more

[glass spade]

beautfil thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

it does 60% less damage in single target compared to 3 target

per tick

[glass spade]

yikes

[balmy condor]

so it's really really really bad

[thorn fjord]

the nature of the dreaded CT button tbh

[jolly crater]

@balmy condor is there and indicator on ur plater, if an add cast a spell that u got kick up to interrupt it?

[glass spade]

so in ST generally want improved garrote and a big rupture on them and focus on the big cooldowns and envenom

[jolly crater]

liek in quazi ui, u said it was inspired by this

[balmy condor]

the mob/cast colors are entirely copy pasted from quazi

those had indicators and coloring based on kick

[balmy condor]

yeh

[jolly crater]

!ui

what was the command again 😄

[balmy condor]

!wa

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[jolly crater]

ty

[paper heart]

stupid question, anyone know what our preseason bis trinkets are

[rotund jungle]

Ara Kara

[paper heart]

got that one

[dense cove]

I think it’s ranked in the guide somewhere

[fickle girder]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[paper heart]

all the on use look shit other than raid

[rotund jungle]

That’s big

[gilded oasis]

!dn in chat for the answer but yeah still bugged but still used

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[gilded oasis]

oh

that worked woops

I didn't think it did it with other words after lol

[spice spire]

Oop

[hearty coral]

i just got kingsbane skill.. can someone explain me how it works? when to use it? thanks

[dapper cradle]

!wa

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[ripe carbon]

as tooltip says, each application of a posion increases damage

[hearty coral]

but thats the dot dmg, not the instant one, right?

[ripe carbon]

yea dot

[hearty coral]

so should be nice use it after shiv

[toxic night]

heey i took the m+ build from wowhead can someone please explain why kyrian instead of double vanish ?

[ripe carbon]

um i dunno rules about shiv, i think its at the last few seconds

but i dunno

wowhead guide will tell

[tropic cedar]

use it before KB and @ 8s remaining if using 2 shiv charges. use it @ 8s remaining if using 1 charge

[onyx nymph]

so then the wowhead is incorrect because it says to use the 1 charge before KB

[ripe carbon]

i dunno

[onyx nymph]

@balmy condor whats the correct way?

[tropic cedar]

if you only have 1 charge, it would always be better to use at the end of KB since it's at the end of its ramp

[onyx nymph]

thought so

was just confused cause the guide says otherwise

[balmy condor]

What

If you have 1 charge you cast last 8, if you have 2 you cast before and last 8

Where does the guide say otherwise

[brittle quail]

nice vid btw whispyr

[tropic cedar]

im looking through the guide, and i dont see where its wrong

yea

[onyx nymph]

theres no node for double shiv

and it just says use before

[tropic cedar]

look down 2 more steps

[balmy condor]

Do you have lightweight shiv selected?

[onyx nymph]

no ooption

[balmy condor]

Hm

Well

[onyx nymph]

which is why i was asking

[balmy condor]

You have single target selected

And every single target build

[onyx nymph]

fair

[balmy condor]

Uses lightweight shiv

[dusty phoenix]

Are echoing reprimand charged cps meant to not max out crimson tempest?

[onyx nymph]

thanks for clearing it up my b

[balmy condor]

All good

[balmy condor]

What

You just use the combo points on whatever you need to

[dusty phoenix]

It felt like they didnt make tempest act as if it was used with max cps but maybe Ive seen it wrong

[tropic cedar]

i think he means that CT is not acting like its being cast @ 7cps when using it on a charged point

[balmy condor]

Oh

It does

Internal bleeding was the one that didn’t work

But that’s fixed

[dusty phoenix]

Ic thank you

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

[drifting basin]

hey guys i rolled assa from feral this expansion

[rich kayak]

Hi guys, is it possible to make a macro for Echoing Reprimand then cast mutilate, then just have it cast mutilate only when echoing is on cd?

[drifting basin]

im confused about when we are supposed to use our combo points. i get that you obviouly want to dump them on echoing reprimand combo points as well as if you are at max combo points, but do we care about overcapping on combo points?

[balmy condor]

No

They’re both gcds

[rich kayak]

Thank you, I had one created and it worked sometimes. I wanted it to use the GCD on echoing, then just mutilate after.

[shy pecan]

And conditionals like checking for a spell on CD don’t exist

[drifting basin]

especially confused about when we have darkest night procc and we are at 6 combo points

[balmy condor]

You maintain envenom for the most part

[balmy condor]

You generate and then apply darkest night

Otherwise 5 or more cp

[drifting basin]

pog, ty man

[balmy condor]

Np

[drifting basin]

watched your st video yesterday btw

banger

getting myself ready to watch ur aoe video tonight

EXCITED

[balmy condor]

Nice bag of popcorn

Comfy movie night with the lady

[thorn fjord]

Losing tier didnt do shit

Still blasting boiz

[balmy condor]

Correct

[thorn fjord]

Whatcha watching

[cobalt sphinx]

do you use animacharged combo points even though they don't progress your mark

[rich kayak]

He means in reference to Nimapima watching his youtube video.

[balmy condor]

This mentally deranged guy yap about aoe for an hour and a half

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gilded oasis]

he is unwell

[cobalt sphinx]

dang that doesn't feel good

[thorn fjord]

oh lmao

My lady and I watched lost in translation the other night

[rich kayak]

I said the same thing, really stupid it counts as full combo points but does nothing for your mark.

[spice spire]

Did that earlier was good shit

[silk bane]

in your latest video, you mentioned about how much stealth actually matters in m+ and the issues dslice is having in representing that, so my question is, can I see dem feet pls?

[balmy condor]

Of course

[silk bane]

ty ty my dms are always open

[balmy condor]

There ya go

[silk bane]

OH MAH GOD LOOK AT THE TIME

ITS GOONIN O CLOCK

https://tenor.com/view/smell-it-sniff-gif-15005723

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-yoinky-sploinky-smell-gif-22171281

[spice spire]

I said what I said earlier

[silk bane]

get in line buddy, im not done with the feet yet

[simple cradle]

anyone who can link the rogue gdoc please ?

[balmy condor]

The what

[silk bane]

the what

[spice spire]

Google doc I assume

[balmy condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

This?

[simple cradle]

thx guys

[twin sparrow]

@balmy condor where can we find hour videos?

Your*

[jolly crater]

where the fuck did u implemented to track caustic spatter in plater? i cant find it, how do i edit this

[silk bane]

on his only fans obv (youtube jokes aside)

[spice spire]

In his profile there’s a YouTube 🙂

And it’s there

[balmy condor]

Color change script

[twin sparrow]

Ty

[silk bane]

what if hes not looking for the rogue guide videos? what if hes looking for the feet videos? can he find them in the profile?

asking for a friend

[gilded oasis]

send me $500 and I will link you

your friend*

[silk bane]

show me proof u got them and u got yourself a deal

show my friend*

[spice spire]

Armin let the dogs out

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rinnbebe-harrys-toes-cat-toes-toe-beans-good-morning-gif-26355867

[silk bane]

OH MAH GAWWD WHATS YOUR PPAL

[twin sparrow]

Hehe both kind of videos would be appreciated 🙂

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

[gilded oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

[spice spire]

Hiya!

[prisma vortex]

On fuu spreadsheet it says outlaw is simming the highest for st, really??

[balmy condor]

Idk I guess so

[dense cloud]

this assa is getting better and better

[balmy condor]

What’s that dk doing

[tough gorge]

On a holiday

Doing fuck all

[balmy condor]

Letting the assa rogue pump

He’s a real one

[tough gorge]

Curious what % of ppl went DS vs FB. I find myself constantly swapping between them.

[dense cloud]

I couldve done more if I did more rupture dots

missed some

[vast bloom]

you can craft pieces without spark atm right?

[ripe carbon]

only weathered crests for 590

[balmy condor]

I know that right now I’m just playing fatebound for fun until I have to play deathstalker for prog

[subtle tundra]

thanks man

i needed that rn

[tough gorge]

I was playinf fatebound out of laziness, but have swapped back to DS.

[runic hinge]

Fatebound is nice cause it’s mindless and I don’t have to track anything but I’ll probably play DS as soon as m+ and the raid opens

[winged widget]

is anyone else doing their solo stuff and chilling, getting 7+ stacks of the same coin face but not proccing the capstone at all?

[balmy condor]

the coin timer is longer than the capstone timer

so it can drop

also if you vanish on 6 coins and go to 8

you skip 7

so you don't get the capstone there either

[solar lake]

yoo, as fatebound what do ppl macro CB into ?

[balmy condor]

envenom

[storm forum]

It's like DS auto crit envenom at home

[solar lake]

so just use it on cd?

[balmy condor]

yep

[solar lake]

aait ty ty

[vast bloom]

whats the best valorstone farm rn?

[balmy condor]

heroic dungeon x1000000

[thick plinth]

What are we finding the best , DeathStalker or Fatebound?

[runic terrace]

I saw in @balmy condor 's latest video, that you have your Platter set to purple for your Mark-Target. How do I do this?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker for actual content, fatebound for ease

[balmy condor]

color changing script

[thick plinth]

Ty mate

[balmy condor]

can yoink from my plater

!wa

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[winged widget]

lmao

that's amazing

[runic terrace]

@balmy condor awesome as always- big thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[winged widget]

much appreciated for the answer

[balmy condor]

❤️

[vast bloom]

bet ty

[loud trench]

Hero talents pinned or beta info on wowhead/IV still most current? Didn’t see any new pins just returning

[balmy condor]

wowhead/iv

all the guides are updated

so

no more beta

just beta bugs

[jolly crater]

did u wrote the scripts urself?

[balmy condor]

some of them

they're not particularly complicated

[jolly crater]

well still cool, i managed to merge the quazi plater with urs to get the best of both for me. i love the caustic/deathstalker tracker etc, so much better to follow prio target

[balmy condor]

my plater has all the quazi target coloring

[dapper cradle]

the color change was an extremely based and redpilled addition

for cumstic spatter

[jolly crater]

idk why but nameplates/spelles got other color on your plater, aswell as font, sizes everything.

they look quit a bit different on my setup

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh, they look a lil different

but all of the m+ coloring stuff

is the same

rest is just display options

[past forum]

@balmy condor i like the reframing you did of the stealth conversation in the new vid, hopefully people will a) watch b) pay attention and c) meaningfully digest what you're telling them

[jolly crater]

for example the kick available border for kickable spells. in your plater it doenst exist, in quazis its a green border, small things like that

still your WA is way better which i am using now, only edited the slice and dice buff to be shown

[balmy condor]

hm, it definitely should

[hollow ferry]

any list of bises pre phase 1?

[balmy condor]

no

we don't do pre-raid bis

it's pointless

[hollow ferry]

Ok, ty 😄

[bright turret]

just run dropoptimizer from raidbots

[spice spire]

I don’t want to say mental Illinois

[jolly crater]

ye for some reason not on my setup idk. still thank you again like the last days ^^ gn8 all

[spice spire]

But it’s calling to me like the green goblin mask

[balmy condor]

heroic dungeon droptimizers

we're so cooked

[jovial imp]

hi guys, quick question if you let me, do we need to maintain sanguine blades (aka have >50% energy) in ST too? I guess this is very important in AoE but i genuinely dont know about it in ST. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[sick sail]

damn that video you posted is so goated. Watching it on my long drive back. Been so busy doubt i’ll play again but glad to see assa doing well

[cobalt sphinx]

get sacbrood and maybe a city of threads dagger and you're set

idk if there are any other standout items

actually crafted dagger is probably better than a city of threads dagger

[robust river]

Really noob question but, we are locked into double dagger right? 😅

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah check the mutilate icon

[robust river]

Could be two tiny gnome swords 😄

[cobalt sphinx]

true but you could consider those to be normal person sized daggers

[royal lantern]

its wow

"daggers" in this game are frking broadswords

[cinder grotto]

Which video?

[vital flicker]

Are embellishments bad enough that crafting a max ilvl dagger will be better than waiting weeks just to never get one out of the vault?

[sick sail]

his recent mythic + one on youtube

by whispyr

[tulip pilot]

Prob this one https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?si=JC_qkPF6P-YVd-2_

[feral mason]

I saw a normal dungeon droptimizer during EA i think

[flint marsh]

no kingsbane finally getting the air time it deserves 🤭

[halcyon hamlet]

Finally got the full set

[balmy condor]

Hate my life fr

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dapper cradle]

!gooning

[earnest remnant]

this isnt google

[dapper cradle]

damn my bad

[distant plinth]

Whats the dps sim on the end of your video @balmy condor ? Was it a dungeon slice or

[balmy condor]

Like the very very end?

[distant plinth]

Yea, when you compared trinkets

[willow vine]

Whispyr M+ vid carried my work day today

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s dslice

[willow vine]

You guys having more fun with coin or deathstalker?

[distant plinth]

Prettu satisfying to hit 15 of the same coin but holy this rng

[balmy condor]

I’m having coin fun but only cause I know I’ll be playing deathstalker in real content

[dense lodge]

we don't use embellishments on the crafted daggers do we? Assuming we keep the 2 whisp mentioned on Wowhead for bracers boots etc

[balmy condor]

Yeh

But crafting 2 daggers

Kinda troll

[feral mason]

Seeing people leave hc dungeons after first boss to farm trinkets while they are doing 100k st with 570 ilvl makes me want to say something

Like the trinkets aint gonna help you big man

[whole sand]

say it

[balmy condor]

No shot

[strange python]

Say it

[dense lodge]

Need max dps for my trial raid on day 1

[balmy condor]

We’re queue hopping for heroic trinkets

[distant plinth]

Went sub on the dungeon to blast the boss. Most i did was 1.5m 🤣

[feral mason]

definitely an outlier but the people that im seeing leave my groups mid dungeon are actual shitters

no offense but like

Doing less than 300k with the gear you have now

[strange python]

wtf should we craft

[feral mason]

read wowhead guide instead of minmaxing preseason gearing at that point

[runic depot]

Boys I haven’t touched rogue since bfa but considering it. How we looking

[cursive frost]

what is our best darkmoon deck?

[chrome mirage]

Can't even see us stealth is so good

[real pike]

I'm thinking I might prefer Ethereal Cloak to Bait and Switch, how dumb am I?

[static glacier]

Not that dumb, it’s your preference after all

😡😡 where did my slice and dice role go 😡😡😡😡😡

[tacit wedge]

Gone, like my kingsbane role

[bleak ledge]

Couldn’t be me, I looted broodkeeper egg after 5 runs

[hollow river]

is that intended? lmao. doesn't sound like it would be.

[clever perch]

What severed threads pacts u guys chose?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[hollow river]

i assume it's the same for outlaw

[balmy condor]

Would assume so yeh

[hollow river]

ill check just to make sure in a bit

[tulip pilot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[uncut field]

spark quest is up, am I good to craft boots or bracers or just keep waiting haha

[snow kindle]

wait

[pulsar apex]

Heya. Is it possible for details to show / order spells by number of casts? I want to know the frequency of what I’m pressing.

[cerulean nest]

how safe is crafting one of the crit blue silken linings? people are freaking out about them tuning embellishments but this feels like a safe one

[uncut field]

thats what i thought but ya never know

[snow kindle]

if u do it on blue r5 590 gear its doesnt cost anything besides gold

[shy pecan]

Yeah, if you have casts shown as a column, can just click on it and it'll sort by casts

[pulsar apex]

Ty!

[balmy condor]

Bracer is fine I guess

[cerulean nest]

yeah I mean its gonna go on belt regardless and I can always just recraft embell if needed

[balmy condor]

Yep, can confirm safe

Even if it’s not the best, it def won’t be the worst

[feral mason]

Fatebound on law felt so odd

Sat on dummies for 15 minutes and capstone didnt proc

no clue if assa has it better but yeesh

[manic pebble]

how do I tell sim that the old tier set bonus is already disabled?

[feral mason]

Not sure why you’d need to tell it that since simming those pieces is just kinda useless

30 ilvls will be superior to anything even if the stats are terrible

[normal mist]

@spice surge told me not to do it :C

[balmy condor]

Spark info and early FAQ

With Second half spark out, I personally would suggest just waiting and seeing what’s up with embellish tuning. They’ve been tuning almost daily so using a spark feels pretty pointless currently. Using weathered crests is fine those are pointless when the season starts

• Ascension on dagger + writhing banding is technically bis right now but it's way stronger than legit anything else and bis for basically every spec in the game so nerfs are kinda expected, do with that what you'd like
• the "safe" I guess thing to do is bracer crafts for embellishment, weapons are okay as well, but with DAWNthread (crit while above 80% hp). This is not at risk of nerfs/buffs/tuning and will kinda just be good enough everywhere
• rings are good crafts cause free socket save money :)
• the stilletto dagger got changed from 2.6 speed to 1.8 speed. Maybe this makes it viable, not sure yet. (Edit: It's awful don't craft it)
  Other info:
• echoing reprimand + deathstalker is still bugged, we don’t have any info
• deathstalker/fatebound stuff is getting hotfixes to interactions almost daily. Thing are still in flux, just have fun for now while it all gets ironed out :)
• use deadly poison, additionally you should use amplifying if talented into dragon tempered blades
• to disable your tier in sims, use the following in the expert mode footer:

set_bonus=dragonflight_season_4_4pc=0```

Videos are up for [raid](<https://youtu.be/ygn2r-lR3f4>) as well as [mythic+](<https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE>). They are long but they are chaptered so it’s easier to hop around

[spice surge]

Were both right, ye there might be some tuning and you might feel bad if they nerf your embellishment or turbo buff another one but its not the end of the world

[late aspen]

im probably dumb or blind but I cant find in the guides - what poisons do i use with dtb

[spice surge]

But crit lining is probably alright either way

[spice surge]

!poisons

[normal mist]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[spice surge]

Damnit

[normal mist]

ah ah!

Gottem

[onyx mesa]

Wait there is a 2nd spark 😮 I was waiting for DMF to do the quest for the 1st lol

[normal mist]

not a second spark

a second half

which means 1 full spark

[onyx mesa]

Sorry that is what I meant

[trim gust]

hey guys! the darkmoon trinkets are really cheap on the AH and im thinking of getting them do we know which one is best? ascension seems good but i wonder if the effect drops inbetween dungeon packs

[normal mist]

ascension + whatever its fine

[balmy condor]

They’re all kinda equal after the last tuning pass

[normal mist]

dont even think about it

[balmy condor]

They’re just ilvl sticks

[trim gust]

alright thanks alot! 😄

[normal mist]

no problem

[deep sorrel]

upgrade prio for valorstones will be ara-kara sac yea?

& crests ofc

[jolly heath]

the new half spark quest is only available to 1 of my toons, not on the other

[graceful rampart]

they are on that copium train that getting the trinket will make them big boys or girls

[edgy crystal]

@balmy condor are u working on a pre-season page on wowhead?

[balmy condor]

No

[edgy crystal]

doesnt seem to be working when i press on it

[balmy condor]

When you press what?

[raven egret]

pre season is kind of a meme

[balmy condor]

We don’t do preseason pages anymore

Waste of time

[balmy condor]

Oh god why did they name it that

[edgy crystal]

[balmy condor]

That’s just the cheat sheet though I guess

The page just isn’t loading?

[edgy crystal]

it is

it shows me cheat sheet

it cool

thanks for ur hard work sir

[desert vault]

am I missing something with the spark quest? does just picking up the quest give you the two pieces? cause I don't see them

[balmy condor]

Ah yeah that’s just the launch page

[edgy crystal]

@desert vault yes i got 2

and made 1 spark

[desert vault]

weird

[fickle girder]

we're holding the spark until embellishments are looked at properly, correct?

[raven egret]

thats the smart thing to do imo

[graceful rampart]

100% the smart way dont spend it on something you might regret

[raven egret]

afaik they have quite a few fixes to do to embelish, tooltips, etc, they 100% going to be patching all that soonish

[static geyser]

there any prediction on emelishment changes or the crit one looks like to be best

[balmy condor]

Well right now dawnthread is the best

But I’m not doctor strange

I don’t need all future timelines

All I know is that embellishments as a whole all suck

When your best embellishment is 0.7% over a regular ass equip

It super doesn’t matter

[real pike]

I'm being an idiot, why does having vicious venoms affect whether we FoK for the hero talent proc or not?

[balmy condor]

Vicious venoms makes mutilate stronger

Stronger mutilate means more efficient/more damage than fok

[real pike]

what's throwing me is that FoK isn't replaced by a muti when you untick it, it just disappears

can't delete but I was chatting shit here

[balmy condor]

Yeah the way I have the openers set up the fok isn’t required

So it just removes them

I’d follow the images over the togglers though

The togglers are a pain in the asss

[real pike]

yeah must have been a bitch to set up

[balmy condor]

Yeah

They’re on/off switches

So they don’t support multi-conditionals or anything

[novel star]

ive never really seen openers done with images before rn but its hella easier to read lol

list too long

brain too short

[balmy condor]

Problem with images is that it’s hell to account for crits and seal fate

[real pike]

so when you have VV you don't ER even if you have it talented?

[distant hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Orange is fatebound

You don’t ER on fatebound

It plays cold blood

[real pike]

holy shit I'm a fucking moron

this is why I shouldn't try and learn new things at 2.30 in the morning

[balmy condor]

Me too man

[spice surge]

You know what would make them suck less? If they scaled up and were more effective if put on higher ilvl items!

Wouldnt that be a cool idea

[balmy condor]

Novel

[novel star]

true yeah'

[hearty coral]

how to use echoing skill? i just got it and im so confused now.. is a filler? a combo generator? thanks

[novel star]

i mean i guess you could include a note on the image that reminds people of the top priority being 5cp finishers but

[novel star]

you press it on cd and dont change your rotation other than doing finishers early when you end up landing on the charged point

[balmy condor]

You use it on cooldown, it empowers a combo point slot, if you use a finisher on that slot it’s a 7cp finisher

[novel star]

^

[hearty coral]

so if i use finisher on blue dot count like 7 one?

[novel star]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yep

[hearty coral]

how much does the upgrade dot effect last?

[real pike]

so nice when you're 1cp away from an ER hit and your Garotte happens to be in pandemic

[novel star]

45s which is the same as the cooldown, its effectively permanent

[real pike]

the ER buff or a 7cp Rupture?

[hearty coral]

how to understand kingsbane effect? i mean, when to use to do maximize the dmg? start of combo? last min? what i understand is after i use it the dot dmg increase for every poison i set so i assume is better at start, right?

[hearty coral]

empower dot slot

[real pike]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[novel star]

all of this is on the wowhead guide

but you want to use it during shiv

and keep max envenom uptime

[hearty coral]

im having tons of fun with my assa but the rotation is getting hard

so kingsbane- shiv and i max evenom buff uptime? so its ok use envenom with 1 or 2 slot to keep the buff up?

[desert vault]

so guessing the general idea upgrade the Sacbrood and MH this week and that's about it?

[digital wind]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

always use shiv before kingsbane and just pool energy to have 100% envenom uptime

when deathmark is coming up always mark-shiv-kb

is my understanding

[balmy condor]

This week and next week is basically just get whatever to 580

[real pike]

I'm actually still being stupid, I don't get why the second FoK is replaced by a muti when you have VV talented but the first FoK just goes and has no muti in its place

[novel star]

idk i just read the whispyr guide to relearn sin like this week after like 2 years of not playing the spec so im not really the person to ask for specifics

😭

awawa

[balmy condor]

ER critting lands you on an empowered combo point, later in the opener you’d always need to generate twice so that’s a guaranteed 2x mut

[hearty coral]

i know i picked a hard but fun class.. but im so glad im here with all you guys helping me. thanks

[spring cradle]

I just prefer playing fatebound

[raven egret]

Surprising they would give completed crests to people with that tooltip still not fixed

[desert vault]

so don't spend weathered crests at all or just on trinket + weapon? cause really all mythic gear is going to be carved crests?

[balmy condor]

You can spend your crests on crafts, that’s the most efficient

[raven egret]

weathered crests are 100% safe to use during pre-season, they have no further use once the season starts

[balmy condor]

But nothing you do matters

Everything you could do or craft right now

Is getting replaced instantly

[desert vault]

yeah I know, after couple days of season 1 it is all thrown away

[real pike]

cause everyone will just be spamming m+ when it comes out?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

We’re fumbling with veteran gear atm

[desert vault]

I just figure trinket and weapon might take a second to get is all

[balmy condor]

When hero gear is farmable

Day 1 of season

[real pike]

yeah I think I'm planning to get sockets my first couple of vaults for this reason

[novel star]

im getting like half a set of heroic dungeon gear and leveling alts lmfao

[raven egret]

I prefer spending them on Veteran pieces right now, which will hold on longer on week 1 with only raids and M0

[novel star]

idgaf abt pre season gear when i dont even have a party to spam keys with

i gotta grind io like every1 else

[balmy condor]

I’m getting all my stuff to 580 and then seeing what else I wanna do

Probably everything 580 and then stockpile valorstones

But idk if I even want to do that

[novel star]

i gotta figure out what tank i wanna have ready

😔 cant pick

they should just bring rogue tank to retail tbhtbh

[novel star]

ur gonna get 5 million like 2 weeks after szn start anyway

[balmy condor]

Are we

[novel star]

well not 5 milly

[balmy condor]

Are valor stone drops from m+ or raid really high?

[raven egret]

who knows 😄

[novel star]

they were pretty chill in df right

i guess they got nerfed in s4 or smth

[balmy condor]

Not early season

[novel star]

hmm

[vocal cradle]

is there an interaction with kingsbane or deathmark that would warrant holding cold blood till after you pop them when playing fatebound?

[solar laurel]

!FUU

[steep vessel]

So craft boots?

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frosty oxide]

What are our best trinkets in game atm?

[empty mauve]

Is anyone else using Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj and getting crazy uptime on it?

[sturdy python]

anyone know what the best embellishments are and if they stack (if using the same one on both)?

for daggers

[frosty oxide]

What weapon enchant is simming the highest?

[trim gust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[winged widget]

oh cool, they changed the siphoning stilleto to 1.80 speed. this "nerub embelishment" is the new "toxic" effect that we can double down with some armor patch, right?

[bright dew]

Depths but doesn’t come out until raid

[balmy condor]

cold blood doesn't interact with dots

[onyx mesa]

Stilleto viable now 😮

[balmy condor]

fucking finally

no clue how good it is

it's still self-damaging

so kinda yikes

but it's probably good

[raven egret]

they fixed it...?

[balmy condor]

all I needed to do was put a 3 minute angry ramble at the end of my m+ video

clearly

[raven egret]

they fixed it!

[balmy condor]

fixed the next day

[winged widget]

meh. we spent the entire DF using corrupting phial anyway. probably negligible dmg?

[frosty oxide]

@bright dew I mean right now, rofl

[balmy condor]

124k is pretty rough

like 10% of your hp

if you double it with the patch you're looking at almost 250k

[onyx mesa]

wouldn't it be less % since we got 4 mil hp atm

[bright dew]

250k of 5M is 5% tho

[glacial acorn]

Do we use FoK to clear "Clear the witnesses" every time or just during opener?

[winged widget]

hummmm sounds like a healer issue

[onyx mesa]

this lol

[raven egret]

So, the dagger is now* a real dagger, I can't believe it

[jolly heath]

Surely this one won’t randomly break stealth right

[balmy condor]

we got FIVE mil?

holy

I haven't hovered my health bar in a hot minute

[balmy condor]

every time as long as you don't have vicious venoms talented

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

idk someone take one for the team and go craft it

[winged widget]

tbf, the "hits a random enemy" feels like a genuine simulation bait doodoo.

[frosty oxide]

Lol

[glacial acorn]

Thank you!

[uneven plume]

did they disable hallowfall orbs?

i cant find any

is there an addon that finds them>?

[balmy condor]

yeah the fact that it doesn't scale into aoe at all makes it pretty cringe tbh

[winged widget]

"oh you wanna hit this big boss? too bad your proc hit some random add that was gonna die in 2 seconds anyway"

[violet island]

they were disabled at one point because people were getting half sparks from them

not sure if fixed

[runic hinge]

I’ll do it

I don’t raid mythic anyways so I’ll spark a daggie

[normal mist]

Huge respect.

[round trout]

sorry if its been asked but whispyr, did you fix the caustic spatter issue with your plater?

[runic hinge]

It’s a raid drop. Looks like I’m waiting a few weeks

[normal mist]

RESPECT LOST

[balmy condor]

no, it's a plater problem

[normal mist]

(jk i love you)

[runic hinge]

Well I’ll save my spark for it

[runic hinge]

[raven egret]

I mean the dagger has full stats on it, + an effect, its not really a loss either way

plus Mythic crafted is supposed to go all the way to 1 rank shy of the mythic pieces max rank

[balmy condor]

turns out I can't hide the debuff from the bar and also recolor the nameplate at the same time

well I can

there's cursed technology

but then it does this, and that's not good

so I guess we're just tracking caustic on the nameplate

lesser of all the evils

[fleet phoenix]

is there any significant DPS difference between the vicious venom vs sanguine blades setup, like is one better for aoe or something? i'm too dumb to understand the differences in energy pooling between the two

[spice surge]

It is an embellishment though so depends on how the other ones stack up

[raven egret]

for sure, not guarenteed to be worth at the end

eitehr way I aint getting anythign spark crafted until the tooltips align -_-

[uneven plume]

i have almost 3k avoidance O.o

ready for 20s?

[balmy condor]

vicious is used for single target deathstalker only since the mark buffs mutilate. You would never want to play it in aoe

[deep sorrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[native escarp]

is it normal to be energy starved on bosses, at least with the Hybrid build in dungeons after the burst window?

[iron valve]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

yes, that's how the spec is designed

[earnest hare]

Is it possible to edit this macro with @mouseover on it?
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:1] Garrote
/cast [stance:2] Garrote
/cast [nostealth] Garrote

[native escarp]

ok, just feels like im doing something wrong but makes sense haha

[shy pecan]

Yeah, just add ,@mouseover within the brackets for each one

Not sure why you'd need all the different stances like that though

[bright turret]

is there something I'm missing that would cause darkest night full envenom to not apply marks

[balmy condor]

if you kill the target with the envenom that procs the darkest night it wouldn't apply

[bright turret]

yea seen that happen a few times, but it also happened on bosses a few times for me

[wooden jasper]

What’s the benefit, of staying below 50% energy, I recall mention of more envenoms just wondering why that is the case?

[lusty narwhal]

Says exactly why like 5 comments up lol

In the pooling

Leads to more envenom casts and more darkest nights

[rotund oak]

management and efficiency

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[honest needle]

once i hit 80 do i have to do normals before i do world quests to get the higher rewards or whats the best way to do it once i ding 80 ?

[bright turret]

i did all the WQs that gave gear and was able to buy like 2 2k items from the AH and go straight into heroics

[rotund oak]

campaign=>sidequests=>world quests/heroics

[minor finch]

First xoac as rogue and man. Shit is fun

[honest needle]

what ilvl do u need to do heroics because i dont even see access to heroics yet ?

[rotund oak]

u can also skip sidequests and go to the AH if u have gold

[minor finch]

You could do wq as you wait for normals

[honest needle]

why dont i see heroics im 80 i dont even see then showing up

[rotund oak]

not enough ilvl most likely

dunno what u mean by not showing up

[honest needle]

what ilvl do u neec

need

im 542

[spice surge]

551

[honest needle]

what ilvl do u get from ah ?

[rotund oak]

was about to explain the man how to check if he is eligible,u had to ruin the fun

[spice spire]

560ish innit

[rotund oak]

[loud galleon]

Is there an item we can craft that would be good for us DPS wise? Like something to burn an spark on?

[honest needle]

ok n last thing let me ask do i need to do side quest if im already 80 am i going to need storyline or side quest for anything ?

[rotund oak]

sidequests unlock worldquests

[honest needle]

it says i have world quest already

[rotund oak]

but other than that its just lore stuff

yes not all world quests

there are world quests locked behind sidequests

[honest needle]

so how do i kno what side quest to do ?

[rotund oak]

u dont

thats the fun

u do all sidequests

[honest needle]

thats not fun

lmfao

i hate questing as it is

[rotund oak]

i feel for u fam

[honest needle]

do we even need world quest for anhything once we are geared enough to get into heroics and mythic plus ?

[rotund oak]

not rly no

maybe valorstones

[balmy path]

Does anyone have one weak aura of the deathstalker mark ?

[rotund oak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund oak]

ik for sure Whispyr's and Lisonna's have a deathstalker's mark wa

[thorn fjord]

We had the same thought at the same time

[rotund oak]

hahaha 😂

[spice spire]

Old men think alike

Sorry for that stray sap

[rotund oak]

dw do ur thing

[subtle iron]

Does anyone know whats the max amount of carved harbringer crest one can get at the moment?

Like from quests and stuff

[balmy condor]

think there's like 100

[rotund oak]

it says the cap doesnt it

its 90

[balmy condor]

well the seasonal cap is 90

[subtle iron]

Yeah but the item you get that gives you 15

[balmy condor]

you get 100 from random quests

that don't count

[rotund oak]

yeah those doesnt count

[subtle iron]

Yeah do we have a list of those quests? I can't find any on wowhead

[rotund oak]

u need to check ur cap,if u can gather more u go ham

😄

[runic hinge]

You’re old too bozo

[subtle iron]

Like I've done a few quets and got like 3-4 satchels of carved harbringer crests

But I'm 5 short from max upgrade

Wondering if there are more

[rotund oak]

[ripe carbon]

their from renown is some

[rotund oak]

bruh so much yellow

[ripe carbon]

oh weai thats weathered

[deep sorrel]

guys i have a question on the opener, everywhere i see sais that after echoing reprimand you send envenom

but most of the time in this sit i end up with 2cp

is it not better to er > muti > envenom?

or am i just sending envenom to buff dmg of kingsbane & dm

[balmy condor]

@runic hinge dagger sucks ass don't bother

[rotund oak]

we cast envenom to get the buff to send cds or extend snd

[runic hinge]

Booooo. Alright fine

[deep sorrel]

ok so i dont care about it being 5+ cp or in the anima charged er combo points

i am just sending envenom whether it is 2 or 3 cp

[runic hinge]

I won’t waste my spark in the name of science

[balmy condor]

No, you always envenom at 5+

[rotund oak]

not what ive said 😅

[deep sorrel]

im talking only in the opener

the opener puts you at 2cp 90% of the time

like post er i am left with 2 combo points, following wowhead i would envenom > dm > shiv > kb

[balmy condor]

Well if you crit it would be 3

[deep sorrel]

but i am asking if i should mutilate to get into ER anima charged points

[balmy condor]

Just crit

Yes

[deep sorrel]

ok thank you

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Pause champ it’s still 2.6 speed in sims

(I don’t think it’s worth it still but we check anyway)

The effect is like barely 1% with the patch

Which is 0.5% per embellishment slot

And that is just strictly worse than other stuff

[spice spire]

Silence old man

[balmy condor]

Also doesn’t scale into aoe

So it’s a worse embellishment that also deals damage to you and also doesn’t do aoe

Incredible stuff tbh

[haughty flicker]

Completely useless

I’m glad blizzard gave the rogue discord some representation in game at least

[vital flicker]

I don't see it in the listed bugs but has anyone else noticed that if you have a full combo point Envenom queued when the target dies sometimes you lose deathstalkers mark and darkest night?

[balmy condor]

yep that's a feature

[vital flicker]

I love it

[balmy condor]

damage events occur before buff/debuff events in the game

that's just the order of opperations

[vital flicker]

it's like shadow dance and quick shot's interaction for outlaw in season 3 of df

[vestal cliff]

How do i get this sexy deathstalker icon on my name

[balmy condor]

pins

towards the bottom

@runic hinge it's close

[vestal cliff]

Thanks :3

[rotund oak]

wait the actual max

as in max max?

[balmy condor]

his name is max

[vestal cliff]

Thats just my name

[woeful wigeon]

[haughty flicker]

sorry only one person who plays wow can have the name max

you need to change it

[rotund oak]

that doesnt answer the question though

[vestal cliff]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

why would he be liquid max

like

just think for a second

[rotund oak]

idk

[balmy condor]

yeah

[rotund oak]

u ar efamous

[balmy condor]

I don't either

[vital flicker]

there are no other max

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

was definitely strange to immediately go to that lmao

[balmy condor]

you think he's going into class discord to ask for a role icon?

[vestal cliff]

[runic hinge]

Okay I’m making it

[rotund oak]

yup u got a point

[balmy condor]

it's 1.2 rppm non-hasted, deals damage to yourself and then deals damage to a random target 3 seconds later

just picks one at full random

very fun and cool

[runic hinge]

Very exciting for a casual gamer like me

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor what about that fan of knife in media pics st opener ?

[balmy condor]

what about it

is there something wrong with it

[woeful wigeon]

Asking why we fan of knife

[rotund oak]

coz we got a node that makes it strong enough to

over mut that is

like bro said it twice on his vid

[balmy condor]

clear the witnesses

is a talent

that is good

anyone know what the crafted dagger is called

can't remember these fucking names for shit

[woeful wigeon]

Kk havemt pay attention. To it

[balmy condor]

like the base crafted

[runic hinge]

Silent stilleto?

[woeful wigeon]

Stiletto or someting

[balmy condor]

no

[rotund oak]

stilleto something

[runic hinge]

Oh

[balmy condor]

not the embellish

[rotund oak]

ah ehh

hold on

everforged stabber

[balmy condor]

thanks

[rotund oak]

i think

🫶

[honest needle]

how much of a dps loss if i dont run exhoing reprimand ?

for dungeons ?

[rotund oak]

[vital flicker]

can't you just run fatebound if you hate ER?

[balmy condor]

yepge

[indigo mulch]

Honestly i just keep forgetting to use ER ;D

[balmy condor]

echoing to cold blood on deathstalker is like 2% I think

[rotund oak]

i think fatebound will be the go in the end

like the lazy build

[balmy condor]

but without ER being fixed

who knows

[indigo mulch]

Hopefuly they'll fix it before m+

:X

[rotund oak]

surely

[indigo mulch]

[storm hedge]

My copium take is that they have it fixed and are just waiting to troll us.

[rotund oak]

thats some alternative copium thang

[waxen oyster]

what stuns you

in the spider dungeon

third boss

[rotund oak]

city of threads u mean

[waxen oyster]

no

[haughty flicker]

ara-ara

[rotund oak]

ah ye

[honest needle]

is there soemthing that tells me what deathstalker talents to choose for dungeons ?

[vital flicker]

my copium is that in the .5 patch they reword the rogue tree

[waxen oyster]

the wowhead guide?

[rotund oak]

whispyr has a 1h 36min vid

yapping for everything

[honest needle]

i copied the build in the pins but it didint do my deathstalker talents

[haughty flicker]

whispyr omega yapped for our benefit

[rotund oak]

he drunk some monster as well

[honest needle]

can u link me the video where do i find it

[waxen oyster]

....what

you get all the hero talents

[vital flicker]

water

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_if0HnJ1gE&t=4651s

[rotund oak]

bro's next step is to inject adrenaline str8 to his bloodstream

[balmy condor]

water

water for the queers