assassination

[grim jay]

but it worked out just as well as disabling tierset

or adjusting mob scaling

[desert cove]

I don't understand

just let the trinket fade into the sunset

[thorn fjord]

Nah we will always hate

Hate gate 2024

[proven jasper]

trinket deserves whats coming to it

[waxen oyster]

i saw the 2 second channel meme

of puzzlebox vs torch

[desert cove]

the trinket died in season 2 lol

[waxen oyster]

except box has hello human resources

[grim jay]

it will come back one day as a seasonal dungeon

[waxen oyster]

on it

[thorn fjord]

not for some other classes

[proven jasper]

Warriors still played it in s4

[grim jay]

and they will make the box great again

[proven jasper]

so hell no it didnt

[desert cove]

[thorn fjord]

Hunter and DK too iirc

[proven jasper]

[grim jay]

that will be the same time they introduce shadowlands timewalking raids and we farm sylvanas for EoN

[desert cove]

don't

[thorn fjord]

[crisp walrus]

is there any pre-raid bis list for sin? or should i just sim it

[desert cove]

wowhead

[waxen oyster]

timewalking sanctum

[desert cove]

and bis lists are subjective

[thorn fjord]

Askmrrobot

[waxen oyster]

wooo

[desert cove]

always sim as you get new gear

[grim jay]

you wouldnt like that?

[desert cove]

no

I would not

[thorn fjord]

Give me timewalking Nighthold

For the berries

[junior vessel]

are the current wowhead builds for rogue sin accurate? i can never tell if wowheads builds are good

[thorn fjord]

Yuh

[potent dagger]

Wowhead guide is written by Whispyr

So yeah they are accurate XD

[junior vessel]

alrighty ty, also is there any real difference between taking deathstalker or fatebound or is it personal choice? i feel like i can push out bigger dam with tails procs on fatebound but ive been swapping back and forth between the two constantly to try to see

[thorn fjord]

DS is ahead but buggy

[tough gorge]

ahead in what? in dungeons arent they really close

[raven egret]

and a bit more finicky

[ember leaf]

There are other bugs aside from the ER thing?

[thorn fjord]

At this point you can play either

[near flume]

any tip to play shadowmelt in dungeons? sometimes i dont drop the combat and its very frustrating 😦 (i know it doesnt work at bosses)

[thorn fjord]

Wont make much of a difference

[raven egret]

Fatebound is more like getting your Blue Eyes White Dragon out, Deathstalker is more like summoning Exodia. They both good!

[wide ridge]

im gonna be honest, im sure im not going crazy but i have had some times where i'd use a 7cp envenom with darkest night and it wouldnt put the mark on the mob

[thorn fjord]

Failure to compute

[tough gorge]

I play fatebound out of laziness, didn't want to track the deathstalkers mark. And the damage is negligible imo.

[thorn fjord]

I THINK that with scaling and the more gear we get the gap between both will get bigger

Prob not by much

think it was like 3-5% i dont remember

[wide ridge]

also it feels so bad when you use an empowered envenom and it kills the enemy, so you lose the buff

hope they change that

[icy girder]

I’m laying in bed on phone how the servers looking team?

[raven egret]

they up

[icy girder]

Pushed back again?

Oh sweet Ty

[thorn fjord]

Tier getting turned off live in raidbots?

[snow kindle]

idk about eu

but NA servers are up

[wise pike]

guys any update on the assa, i just woke up and everyone tell Assa is dead

[raven egret]

Who is everyone

[wise pike]

Casual / Zero

[thorn fjord]

Fuggit playing Sub

[grim jay]

yeah no nothing changed

[grim jay]

[stiff wolf]

hi guys, why do people not use cold blood? isnt it really good for more boss damage?

most builds or if not all i saw have no cold blood in it

[royal lantern]

CB is a shit ability that should not exist in 2024 lol

[grim jay]

because it deals less damage except if you play fatebound and most people dont play fatebound

[stiff wolf]

ahh okay makes sense thanks

[hexed frost]

Cold Blood is good for fatemaxxers, deathmaxxers run er, but er is bugged, so many run double vanish with subterfuge

[stiff wolf]

im new to rgoue and just realized we have alot of crit anyways

[hexed frost]

It's a clown world and we are all clowns

[grim jay]

thats wrong tho

people run subter with 2nd vanish because they are missing smth

[gilded oasis]

brain cells?

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[grim jay]

thats what they do

bcs er is bugged

[hexed frost]

Why would we run er when it's bugged af?

[grim jay]

read above

[royal lantern]

mate

dfouble vanish does nothing

[grim jay]

essential comes down to not being dead talent points like the subter side tho

[royal lantern]

jsut cus ER is bugged doesnt mean its suddenly a good idea to throw away 4 talent points into nothing

[hexed frost]

Not double vanish, but subterfuge does though

Full on bleedmaxxing and still a spare global to apply mark

[royal lantern]

the 2nd vanish does nothing aswell

[thorn fjord]

BUT MUH SECTEC

[spice spire]

Need that clip of skip on raz

[grim jay]

subter is useless aswell

[kindred wind]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[grim jay]

you get all the benefits without even talenting into subter

except that you need to ambush first

[runic hinge]

Is your msbt working

Wait wtf I lost CT

[gilded oasis]

No but there is a fan fix that works

[runic hinge]

Can you dm?

[gilded oasis]

I slid in

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

[hardy venture]

Sorry if this dumb question, but honest thoughts on the possibility of Assassination nerfs?

[spice spire]

🔮

[hardy venture]

What do you see?

[spice spire]

50/50 it’ll either happen or it won’t

Pre answered it

[hardy venture]

Globe has spoken

[void mesa]

Maybe buffs? Maybe nerfs?
Certainly not fixes tho

[hardy venture]

I just don't want to have to play fucking Outlaw again

[shy pecan]

Then don't? 😛

[spice spire]

Laughed a bit at that, thank you

[void mesa]

Wait

[thorn fjord]

OL is down bad right now

[spring socket]

Play what you enjoy bud

[thorn fjord]

Them boys on watch

[void mesa]

My Sepsis got changed to Fatebound Tails???

[spice spire]

Yes

[gilded oasis]

my bone was taken

[proud rover]

so now after the "bug fix" if i use a full envenom with darkest night buff with a target with 1 stack of the mark i just lose the stacks and the buff?

[spice spire]

Dog you can’t say that

[void mesa]

Your... bone?

[spring socket]

Woof

[gilded oasis]

you're right.. my boner was taken*

[hardy venture]

I just want big numbers to go brrrr 😦 I am also a helpless metaslave 🙃

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

[spring socket]

Play mage

[void mesa]

Why you in rogue discord then xd

[spring socket]

Sin is doing nice numbers now enjoy it.

[grim jay]

*This bug is Subtlety specific, so Assassination gets no change from it. *

[runic hinge]

My crimosn tempest

[hardy venture]

Because Assassin is one of the most fun specs I've played recently.

[runic hinge]

[grim jay]

cant be a meta slave and want to have fun

gotta choose

[true rapids]

Anyone know how to change fonts in plater? I searched fonts and changed a few of them but even after reload it didn't change anything

[hardy venture]

https://tenor.com/bCyWc.gif

[proud rover]

i swear this didnt happen before.

[gilded oasis]

true. being a meta slave sounds awful everytime I hear people talk about rerolling and re-gearing for the 5th time in 3 weeks

[spice spire]

You say that yet I guarantee you’d rather do that than plan a wedding

[grim jay]

it is, especially if the average meta slave doesnt even perform

[spice spire]

Checkmate bozo

[sage tapir]

does anyone know when i try to download Whispyr's 11.0 Plater it says Error decompressing. This doesnt look like a WeakAuras import. ?

[gilded oasis]

as Im literally filling out my wedding Q&A site, bozo

[hardy venture]

I normally just keep a hunter due to this. It always seems like at least one of the three overperform

[grim jay]

because its a PLATER import

[gilded oasis]

Plater is not a WA it is an addon

[grim jay]

as it says plater

[spice spire]

Mf has a Q&A

[sage tapir]

oh xd thanks

[void mesa]

Godspeed, best of luck o7

[grim jay]

imagine marrying

or being loved

smh my head

[spice spire]

Too soon davyn

[gilded oasis]

People gonna have questions mang I gotta answer them. Like the important ones. yes there is an open bar, yes there is security and I will THROW your drunk ass out

[spice spire]

[cobalt sphinx]

they don't make changes 5 times in 3 weeks, you really only have to reroll and regear a single time

[grim jay]

you could hire me as security, I still have that document of approval somewhere

[thorn fjord]

Narc

[gilded oasis]

it was hyperbole

[thorn fjord]

nerd

[spice spire]

“How much money did you pay him to marry you.”
“Is there a prenup?”
“Why is Zar robbing the cradle?”

All are valid questions (I’m joking open bar stuff makes more sense)

[grim jay]

you'd be the only person with a german bodyguard on your wedding around there, zar

[gilded oasis]

[grim jay]

and noone can say NEIN as good as germans

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

you're hired

[thorn fjord]

Lost 40k dps when removing tier

feelsbadman

[grim jay]

imagine someone trying to misbehave and you just hear a deep loud NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

[gilded oasis]

[runic hinge]

OPEN BAR!

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/pouring-shots-pour-directly-into-mouth-drink-straight-from-the-bottle-bar-rescue-gif-14552433

[thorn fjord]

Count me in

[harsh sphinx]

Do your in laws know your a wow player?

[runic hinge]

how do i change my flair

[gilded oasis]

well thats how we met, but Im not sure we've ever said that. Though I did have to raid from their house a few times

[harsh sphinx]

[stiff wolf]

umm which weapon coating do i always use?

[thorn fjord]

The sticky kind

Tony can help

[runic hinge]

[whole steeple]

@balmy condor banger M+ video brother I appreciate you

[cobalt sphinx]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[edgy crystal]

yo which pact did u guuys chooose general or weaver

[raven egret]

whichever you need or want the rep from

have fun

[edgy crystal]

which one did u choose

[raven egret]

me? General, I like the big dude

[whole sand]

correct choice

[tropic cedar]

General has the best recolor of the mount imo

[icy girder]

can we switch pacts?

[raven egret]

not for the week

[icy girder]

meaningful choices

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor question. on your video for m+ you say that VV is not that good because you dont press mutilate all that much. but dont you need to use muti for splatter? or do you just use muti on CD to just apply it and then forget and spam Fok?

[dense cloud]

meta run

[runic hinge]

in aoe you're pressing muti 1 time every 10 seconds for spatter but otherwise not

[thorn crater]

alright cheers ,i just assumed you have to use muti as the builder since it applies poisons with both weapons and envenom increases application rate

i guess then you are highly dependent on fok crits to apply the weapon poisons

[runic hinge]

Correct

[thorn crater]

meh im minmaxing in my brain rn, never a smart thing to do

[orchid cedar]

AOE sims are out right?

[wide ferry]

can you do dailies on your alts and have it count towards warband rep?

[runic hinge]

I think most are 1 time only, so you could do the daily again but not get rep for it

[void mesa]

Most things that give rep will only be awarded once for your whole warband yeah

[wide ferry]

ahhh ty

[pulsar apex]

M+ Hybrid build has only one Shiv. What would drop to get 2x?

[hexed frost]

Not when I am just trailing the tank in stonecore and one of the adds put a dot on me that breaks my stealth

Now I'm stuck on a big pull without my hero talents

[grim oasis]

theres no way to have all your cds reset instantly while testing on the dummies right?

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn crater]

kind of a dumb question since it will take me a minute to find the answer, CT follows pandemic rules correct? i assume it has been changed since dealing some instant dmg in the past?

so we just maintain it now?

[runic hinge]

yes correct

[thorn crater]

because there is a flash of a bunch of crits if u recast immediately

and it gives the placebo of doing extra dmg

like, the cast itself

cheers

i guess it proccs a dot on recard regardless of where it is on its cycle

[grim jay]

but thats not the beginning of the key and not after long downtime

so you just play the capstone then

unless you played it wrong

also you dont have vanish more frequently because of it either

you just got one extra cast somewhere

so you might aswell use your regular vanish there

[wide ridge]

bring back shadow dance

[dapper cradle]

No ty

[wide ridge]

shadow dance was peak

[orchid cedar]

break you head to do less dmg than frost dk playing the bongos

[dapper cradle]

No ty

[sonic sun]

stupid question but shiv before kingsbane?

or kingsbane first

[thorn fjord]

shiv before

Env DM Shiv KB

[sonic sun]

ty g

[grim oasis]

wait is that for when you have 2 shivs ? or just 1 shiv

[thorn fjord]

2

with one you shiv after KB with like 8 sec left

[grim oasis]

okay cool thats what I thought

[sonic sun]

8 secs left on KB correct?

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[dapper cradle]

8 or 7

[thorn fjord]

I THINK its 8 but someone correct me if i'm wrong plz

[grim oasis]

shiv lasts for 8 seconds

[gloomy otter]

hi guys , which pvp talents would you recommend for open world warmode

[acoustic roost]

#pvp

[thorn crater]

alright i feel dumb again

why not immediately after KB?

and wait till the end of the duration?

to set up envenom?

[frail kettle]

Do we know what we are crafting first? or is it still up in the air

[raven egret]

so far double lining perhaps maybe, depens on the updates and fixes that are hopefully going to come next week or, late as hell, on season start

[spice surge]

You can craft tons of 590 items if you want

But wth your spark na

Because most embellishments are bugged and dont work or dont scale with ilvl

[frail kettle]

Yeye Thanks imma just wait it out for a bit then

[raven egret]

oh yeah what I said was for season embelish only, not now

[frail kettle]

Yeah I meant with spark, thanks

[desert cove]

KB ramps in damage

if you only have one shiv charge

[grim oasis]

dont quote me on this but I think its because KB is 14 seconds and Shiv is 8

[desert cove]

you should be increasing the ramped up damage section

[feral mason]

assa bleed build in these dungeons is so stupid man

xd

[desert cove]

run hybrid then

easy fix

[feral mason]

no as in

stupid op

[desert cove]

oic

yeah

caustic spatter goes brr

[shy pecan]

More like bleeds and SD go brr

[runic hinge]

how do i change my flair

[shy pecan]

I need SnD back

[runic hinge]

oxi gave me CT and i miss it already it

[thorn fjord]

Ct blows

I do not enjoy sin in dungeons

[slender shale]

Hello! does anyone know how to track less auras with the default ui? Seeing every bleed and poison i have up is a bit much visually, so trying to find a way to just track the stuff i want

[thorn fjord]

Haven’t learned Sub yet but prob will soon

I’d rather be playing OL in dungeons but it’s brokies 😔

[feral mason]

default plates are a nightmare and barely editable

[desert cove]

sub in dungeons

[feral mason]

would just get plater honestly

[shy pecan]

Sin seems so chill in dungeons though

[grim oasis]

so its go in ambush -> spread Garrote/Rup-> CT -> SD-> Cds right?

[thorn fjord]

Was nice s2

[desert cove]

ye true

I pug a lot so sub is hard to play in keys

[thorn fjord]

Eh with DS and all the moving parts it’s not that fun imo

It’s cool seeing numbers go up tho sure

[desert cove]

b/c if you decide to roll your cds and the mobs die too fast and your tank doesn't chain then guess you're sol

[shy pecan]

I mean, even with DS, doesn’t change a ton

[thorn fjord]

My tanks are basically pulling a quarter of the dungeon at a time so far haha

[slender shale]

Gotcha, tried out plater and wasn't a fan, might just need a different profile

[desert cove]

yeah b/c everything is piss easy

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[shy pecan]

I mean sure. But it’s heroics.

[thorn fjord]

So no rush to learn sub just yet

[thorn fjord]

Yee I know

Cmon this ain’t my first rodeo

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

And you know I was rocking OL all S4 keys

S3 too

[proven jasper]

I managed to learn it in most of my day yesterday

[shy pecan]

Smh my head

[proven jasper]

trickster feels nutty

[royal lantern]

allright, other question

wtf is the WW doing, cus WW should out burst you lol

[thorn fjord]

Gotta set my wa up for trickster

Been lazy

[feral mason]

these peoples were ass

[thorn crater]

opener for m+ btw still has shiv before KB for without LS

[feral mason]

so are 99% of rhc queuers

[proven jasper]

Yea its there if you’re playing double shiv

If not you refer to second shiv

[thorn fjord]

Prob aren’t running double shiv in keys if you’re using standard build posted on main wow head page

[proven jasper]

Yeah but im p sure theres a build on there playing it

[dense cove]

any updates on best items to craft, if any, this week?

[chrome rivet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

There is

[dark token]

ye this is annoying

[dark token]

all of them

[rotund oak]

''SD''?

[thorn crater]

that is what i mean without the double shiv talent its still before.

[proven jasper]

Without double shiv you use it last 6 seconds

[raven egret]

None, or any. Just don't use carved crests. Everything is to be replaced asap once season starts

[grim oasis]

should hav ebeen SnD (pretty sure thats what yall put for slice and dice)

[proven jasper]

It specifically says that in the image on wowhead

[dense cove]

we only have access to 180 crests though this week eh? so can't craft all of them?

[idle radish]

are the conditions to use tea = in shiv + <200 energy?

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much,or u can either press snd earlier or completely ignore if u wanna do faster ''aoe dmg''

also a catch

[thorn fjord]

isnt it 8

[proven jasper]

Idk i kinda thought it might be 7 after i wrote 6

one of those numbers

[grim oasis]

does that change if you do the hybrid or bleed setups?

[rotund oak]

if u already have a DN proc on u its not necessary to ambush,u can just press envenom and continue bleeding mobs up

[rotund oak]

no the idea is the same always

provided u play deathstalker that is

not that it changes alot with fatebound either

we want bleeds for energy

then send cds

[kind forge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[rotund oak]

deathstalker has a mark to handle as well thats all

[thorn fjord]

im gonna run cleave build today for funsies

[rotund oak]

i like arterial shock variant but wahtever

we get some sht nodes to get there

[thorn fjord]

Yea

Maybe OL will be fixed by next week who knows

[lunar oracle]

Are people even getting into dungeons? 15 mins in dugeon finder now

[royal lantern]

ye

Ofc using 1 charge on pull cus you are capped and want to get the CD running, but outside of that its shiv + everytime you actually would gain the full energy value out of it

[thorn fjord]

Much

[thorn fjord]

Prob just the time of day tbh

They were popping quick last night

[tropic cedar]

i have been saying this for so long

maybe its true cause you say it this time

[lunar oracle]

Im in EU, its 9 PM here, should be primetime?

[thorn fjord]

Ah

bad luck then maybe

dunno

[grim oasis]

is the Hybrid build for more Prio damage (ie keys when it comes out) and bleeds better for when its like this week and everything dies in a few seconds?

[proven jasper]

Yes

[tacit wedge]

Sry was getting a kebab, now everything will be good and you'll be able to spam keys

[lunar oracle]

Nah it wont, u forgot mine. 😄

[tacit wedge]

I can spare some fries

[grim oasis]

cool cool is that just because you get an extra poison into KB with the hybrid and in the bleed one you get an extra shiv for Caustic spam?

[thick sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[proven jasper]

Pretty much yeah, theres a little bit more to it but thats the gist of it yeah

[dapper cradle]

whispyr trashing without a trace in this M+ guide

[rough rapids]

!macro

[dapper cradle]

"there are many high ranking rogues taking this...THEY'RE WRONG"

[thorn fjord]

"But zero cool plays this"

[floral vale]

I might still take without a trace when doing dawnbreaker no matter what 😭

[thorn fjord]

Such a shit dung

[grim oasis]

alright cool i'm just tryna sus out what the different builds are and why they would be first xpac as a rogue I miss all the yellow from prot paladin already lmao

[dapper cradle]

dawnbreaker is so ass it's unreal

[floral vale]

Not dropping combat when flying down for the last boss is such shit

[thorn fjord]

Whole place is cancer

it sucks

I bet when they were cooking it up they thought to themselves "These guys are going to LOVE having to fly out of a mechanic.. AINT THAT SO COOL"

No, no its not.

[grim oasis]

Does Zoldyck's Damage amp effect Sudden Demise? -- please ignore I can't read they both say 35%

[dense cloud]

stat prio is still crit master as deathstalker?

[proven jasper]

Yeah hybrid plays dragon tempered blades so you get an extra poison, which directly leads to more kingsbane damage = more prio damage

[thorn fjord]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rough rapids]

is there a macro that turns Mutilate into Ambush while stealthed then back to mutilate out of stealth? on 1 button?

[gilded oasis]

assuming a mob is living a whole KB

[proven jasper]

Ofc

as of right now i doubt that’s happening

[orchid cedar]

hybrind build atm is worse than bleed build tho

shit dies fast af

[proven jasper]

Yes

I was just answering someone’s questions about it

[soft dew]

quick question lads, during our filler in st are we using envenom at how many combo points?

[gilded oasis]

Ya i was adding on so they knew was all

[soft dew]

given we are giga energy starved

[grim oasis]

and all that changes is you slip in an extra shiv before KB in bleed since you have 2 shivs vs the 1 shiv (playstyle wise)

wait does the ambush from Blindside proc Deathstarker's? or is it still 7 CP Envenom after the first

[spice surge]

Only ambush during stealth

[gilded oasis]

no only ambush from real stealth

[orchid cedar]

should ER envenoms proc the capstone?

[gilded oasis]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[orchid cedar]

or was this discussed in the beta?

[thorn fjord]

it should

but it DONT

[proven jasper]

^^

[orchid cedar]

now it does't proc anything

[true rapids]

been playing subterfuge for pvp and man its nice being able to do 3 moves and still have the mark apply

[orchid cedar]

but i mean capstone in particular

[raven egret]

yes thats what the blurb above is about

[orchid cedar]

oh yeah both

[spice spire]

This isn’t what I sent in

[orchid cedar]

well that sucks big dick

[spice spire]

It actually sucks dn

[orchid cedar]

waiting till 11.3 to get it fixed

[tacit wedge]

poopstalker

[thorn fjord]

Shitstalker

We stalking the shit

[spice spire]

Midstalker

[tacit wedge]

using ambush outside of exec

ew

[thorn fjord]

Using ambush

ew

[spice spire]

Why does the button exist if you’re not going to use it

[proven jasper]

It shouldnt

im tryna garrote brother

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-there-is-no-spoon-talking-kid-gif-17690655

[rough rapids]

is there a macro that turns Mutilate into Ambush while stealthed then back to mutilate out of stealth? on 1 button?

[gray flower]

@balmy condor watching your recent M+ Assassination video. Really enjoying it.

Had one question for you: what's the logic on your Shiv WA glow? Is it just that Shiv glows when Kingsbane is under a certain duration? Or is there any other logic to it?

Want to add something like that to my setup.

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[tacit wedge]

years of using garrote for the opener

ruined by this mf >

[thorn fjord]

Not a big fan of the Am but i do like the Bush

[austere sorrel]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[sly sky]

Can I use that fist weapon in the offhand? Warp blade

[amber trellis]

can someone explain this ability to me i really dont get it

and how do i use it

[thorn fjord]

negative.. Mutilate wont work

[tacit wedge]

no

[thorn fjord]

turns some CP's into empowered cp's

[fleet pagoda]

when activating a finisher on the blue combo point, it will act as if it's 7 combo points

[thorn fjord]

When you land on the blue ones you can send finisher

You dont play around it

Just send when they land but dont force the landing

[novel star]

you cant really play around even if you wanted to lol

[dapper cradle]

it's only offensive finishers though - won't work with slice and dice

[novel star]

you just have to react to your crits like a proc

[dapper cradle]

rup, envenom

and CT

[thorn fjord]

Where are the target dummies in dornagal

[novel star]

also what the hell man my sepsis icon got changed to fatebound

i wanted to rep sepsis forever

[raven egret]

PvP hub - south entrance gate

[native trellis]

anyone else struggling to consistently apply deathstalkers mark in dungeons? Feel like it's tough if I'm not given time to stealth, or some random puddle/bleed knocks me out of stealth first

[tacit wedge]

dont apply it in aoe situations

[novel star]

it will just prolly be bad in heroics tbh

[tacit wedge]

just go straight for the garrote rupture CT

[thorn crater]

poison pact ring work with splatter?

[tacit wedge]

"several people are typing" oh god i'm cooked

[novel star]

why would you not want to apply deathmark in aoe lmao?

[balmy condor]

The guide does not in fact run different talents, the entire time I’m playing a hybrid fatebound build and that’s on the talent page that you didn’t seem to bother reading. If you want one build to run, it would be hybrid, either deathstalker for prio or fatebound for the quality of life. But don’t say the guide ain’t updated when you’re not actually consuming any of the content because that’s just ignorant thanks

[tacit wedge]

ah you mean deathmark, not deathstalker thing

[novel star]

i meant the death stalker thing

[tacit wedge]

then just ignore it in aoe

garrote it

[thorn fjord]

WE'RE BOUND BY FATE!

[balmy condor]

Your welcome

[novel star]

doesn’t it give you giga foks

[tacit wedge]

deathstalker mark is poopy

[orchid cedar]

is Fatebound simming better than DS in Mythic?

[thorn crater]

just finished the 90 minute vid

ooof

i do feel smarter though

whispyr making rogues smarter one at a timt

[dapper cradle]

that vod went incredibly hard

still bricked up

[cinder pebble]

You just macro Cold Blood and keep it on cd 24/7?

[queen egret]

What are our two best trinkets from heroics?

[rotund oak]

U press it,it does dmg and ''charges'' combo points.When u use a finisher ON THAT SPECIFIC combo point it acts as if it were the 7nth combo point,even if its not the 7nth combo point.Which means as a charged combo point NO MATTER THE PLACE it is charged IT ACTS as if it was 7nth.Hence if does THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE DMG based on combo points.

[balmy condor]

Yes, I track the mark, the capstone, and recolor the combo point when the capstone is up. I also recolor the nameplate through plater, helps in aoe

[tacit wedge]

i mean, sub rogue do that

[balmy condor]

I appreciate YOU

[novel star]

macroing cb technically loses like less than a % dps or something but it’s not worth caring about afaik

just search whispyrs messages tbh man

[amber trellis]

so i just press it and continue normal rotation?

[balmy condor]

Yeah you press it once every like 8-9 seconds to reapply caustic it’s just maintenance. I guess the more accurate thing is to say “mutilate nearly as much as in single target”. Once caustic is applied it’s back to fok for cp

[novel star]

you always want to press a finisher on the reprimand point if you land on it

but you cant control when you will land on it

so basically yes but just react to ur cp every builder

[thorn fjord]

Big ups to adding Witnesses to the WA

ily

[thorn crater]

sooo i realise the poison ring is not affected or buffed or applie dmore by us. but does the splatter talent affect it since it is nature dmg?

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember the exact logic off the top of my head but I’m pretty sure it’s just a condition for kingsbane < 8 or 9 remaining and no shiv active and shiv available

[thorn crater]

or nah cause it doesnt come from our character?

[novel star]

dam i gotta update

that’s the only thing that was bothering me lmao

[balmy condor]

Non-rogue things like trinkets/special items inherently don’t interact with any rogue things

So like a trinket that says nature damage or poison damage won’t ever work with mastery or zoldyck or caustic or shiv

[orchid cedar]

@balmy condor Fatebound or DS fro M+?

[thorn fjord]

This thing do anythign cool for us?

[rotund oak]

Do we care about the azj kahet pheromone trinket or the alchemy trinket at all?

[gilded oasis]

isnt there a trink list on wowhead

[balmy condor]

Fatebound for just easy gaming and chilling, deathstalker if you’re sweaty gamer looking for the big prio damage

[thorn crater]

if i wasnt sweaty id play DH

[rotund oak]

is there?

[balmy condor]

If by cool you mean less damage than a regular whetstone, then yeah super cool

[novel star]

also deathstalker if you wanna have Fun

[brisk kestrel]

Hey guys! Im really sorry for jumping in like this, but I havent played as rogue for many years and came back now. I've been looking online for all the guides but there is something I cannot find. What lethal venoms are used as assasination rn? 😦

sorry for bloating the chat

[novel star]

cause fatebound is boooooring

[tacit wedge]

deathstalker is the opposite of fun

[balmy condor]

Yes but only for season 1 gear cause no one gives a shit

[vital flicker]

isn't most of the deathstalker damage passive as long as you have the mark up?

[thorn fjord]

Its like poking your own eyes

[balmy condor]

Boy do I have a command for you!

[novel star]

eh not really

[gilded oasis]

put some limes in your eye

[balmy condor]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[tacit wedge]

"deathstalker is fun"
the fun in question : using ambush on pull (that's it)

[novel star]

with m+ talents deathstalker makes you fan in single target

which is cool

[brisk kestrel]

wow, that's acutally super cool command LOL

[tacit wedge]

no

[gilded oasis]

I still think we need a command to show all commands

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah but you still gotta make sure you’re reapplying the mark and hitting that target in aoe and all that

[novel star]

does it not?

[thorn fjord]

That would be neat

[tacit wedge]

how is that cool

[balmy condor]

We have that

I just don’t think it’s updated

[thorn fjord]

orly?

[balmy condor]

But !help gives a big ass list

[dapper cradle]

!goon

[tacit wedge]

it has less CP generation potential than mut

[quaint dragon]

at how many targets?

[gilded oasis]

I think we need to bring back bonespike icons

[novel star]

the alternative is literally nothing so

[tacit wedge]

the alternative is mutilate/refresh garrote

[proven jasper]

Same

[balmy condor]

Part of the problem of !help though is we have more commands than the help command could type out

[novel star]

how many does single mean

[balmy condor]

So it’s been a bit of a struggle

And I forget to update the command with stuff

Cause I’m dumb

[proven jasper]

a single number of targets 😉

[rotund oak]

yup thought so,gonna check it nonetheless.Also u should be a dude chatting with max,ur talent to inspire ppl to try stuff is remarkable(this is irrelevant but thats why i always njoy watching ur stuff)

[gilded oasis]

yeah I can see that. ok you right

[novel star]

you’re right actually my bad

[proven jasper]

HAHA

[balmy condor]

Yes

[quaint dragon]

how many targets to use FoK instead of mutilate when deatmark up

[balmy condor]

You’re not running vicious venoms in m+

Therefore you will fok in single target

In order to consume clear the witnesses

[novel star]

^

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr, it was about the "fun" part

[balmy condor]

Oh idk

Chats moving too fast no one will notice im gay

[dense cloud]

Idk bout that

[gilded oasis]

[tacit wedge]

You're a femboy, at best you're bisexual, but it's between you and your fiancée

[balmy condor]

Shit

[proven jasper]

Awkward time for chat to pause

[balmy condor]

Gay as an umbrella term yes

[tacit wedge]

+the Clear the Witnes fok will generate between 2 (non-crit) and 3 (crit) CP, which is less potential than mut, so it's cringe

[gilded oasis]

guys im trying to watch this whispyr video and you're all distracting me

[runic hinge]

Hi gay I’m Tony. Can you give me deathstalker icon or tell me how

[balmy condor]

Pins at the bottom

[tacit wedge]

I want my Kinsbane icon back

[dapper cradle]

kinsbussy is based

[novel star]

i want sepsis…

[balmy condor]

3 still

[novel star]

not in the game just next to my name

[hexed matrix]

test

[tacit wedge]

you're really the king at finding the most blend, generic, boring abilities fun

sepsis, using FoK in ST...

[novel star]

i just like night fae

it’s not about the button really

[proven jasper]

I liked the sepsis icon

[novel star]

just the furry theme and the icon

[proven jasper]

the ability is another story

[novel star]

yeah

[quaint dragon]

okay thanks

[runic hinge]

Bless you

[novel star]

pandaren night fae sin

sl was a fun time when u weren’t playing it

[tacit wedge]

ok but @balmy condor actual question, am I cooked or i just remembered the guide when I say you don't ambush in AoE scenario in dungeons to apply deathstalker, you just skip it to garrote

[novel star]

that’s when you have darkest night

cus ur getting mark from 7p envenom

you still need a mark

there’s just 2 ways to apply it

[tacit wedge]

or just

play fatebound

problem solved

[novel star]

[dark token]

Um

[proven jasper]

Ur asking me to do LESS DAMAGE?

[dark token]

Why my CT role

[dapper cradle]

how far behind is Fatebound anyways

[dark token]

Change to fatebound

Wtf

I'm not church of fatebound

[novel star]

they’re prolly in the middle of making new roles

[tacit wedge]

it's actually an order

[royal lantern]

~3%

[novel star]

so they’re all mixed up

[dapper cradle]

ah, it's kinda like the diff between HO and KiR

[dark token]

You do if buff drops from DN or

[tacit wedge]

HO and KiR

[novel star]

idk echoing reprimand is the main reason to wanna play fb tbh

[soft dew]

does haste increase in value on ST or is it the same as AOE?

[tacit wedge]

from deez nuts

[novel star]

mark stuff is really fun imo

[gloomy otter]

does it matter what pact i choose or is there a "best" one for rogues?

[royal lantern]

dont use those cursed yahtzee pirate words in this sacred place

[rotund oak]

fb as in fatebound?

[dapper cradle]

gonna miss my pirate so much it's unreal

[novel star]

ya

reprimand is such a lame spell

[rotund oak]

so its either u dont like ER and u wanna run away from it

which makes sense

or like er and u wanna play fb

[amber trellis]

so if my target with deathmark dies

what do i do

[rotund oak]

which is a world of wrong

[tacit wedge]

I'm one more expansion of playing reprimand to lose my shit and reroll havoc

[novel star]

max cp envenom applies a new mark

[quaint dragon]

At how many combo points do we send 5+?

[novel star]

it’s the 30 second buff you get from capstone

[rotund oak]

er is basicly insane,very strong spell but has haters too

[novel star]

i mean it’s strong

[proven jasper]

its free real estate

No reason to hate

[novel star]

just kinda sucks you aren’t in control of it

cant fit it into fun burst stuff

[rotund oak]

u are kinda

just not to its totality

its charged cps

u cant play god

[tacit wedge]

it has haters because it's been mandatory for sin since it was added

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

^ lol

[rotund oak]

like thats a bad thing

[tacit wedge]

yes

[rotund oak]

no

[novel star]

forced to add a mechanic that i have no real control of or do suboptimal damage

[tacit wedge]

diversity is the salt of life

[proven jasper]

We didnt play it last patch and it was great but tbh not really something i notice or care about

[novel star]

flipping a coin

[proven jasper]

Well you are in control of er

[storm hedge]

Is everyone here hating ER? I actually like it, makes us use less builders and more finishers. Why is there so much hate?

[proven jasper]

But i get the fb thing

[novel star]

not when the cp lines up

right?

[proven jasper]

Its not hard to make it line up

[tacit wedge]

i'm not a ER hater, but i'd be glad to have something else

[proven jasper]

at all

[novel star]

u just have to see it which is fine but like you cant guarantee it’ll happen next finisher

cause crits

[proven jasper]

No but why do u need to guarantee it

[novel star]

because that feels better!

[proven jasper]

Just build to 7 and try over

its whatever

[storm hedge]

Exactly u have 45 seconds to use the anima cps.

[proven jasper]

its not really a big deal and i hear this complaint all the time

[warm violet]

Is this the hot guys channel?

[proven jasper]

Yes

[tacit wedge]

if you're struggling to spend the 3 CP from ER, i have very bad news

[tacit wedge]

not only guys, but yes

[novel star]

it’s not a huge deal nor is it about struggling it just isn’t as satisfying to have it be random

[past forum]

i never understood the hate, tbh. like, it's only upside. if it happens cool, if not just play normal

[tacit wedge]

wdym "random" it's always the same 3

[proven jasper]

Exactly!

[novel star]

when you land on the charged point is random

[boreal lichen]

which item should we crfat first with our Spark of Omen ?

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[storm hedge]

Exactly I don't get it.

[novel star]

why is it so hard for you to separate a gamefeel complaint from a balance/skill one!

[proven jasper]

Its pretty predictable when you know your cp generation

tbh

[novel star]

i haven’t once said it’s hard to use or you can lose out on value

[vital flicker]

are there any known bugs that cause darkest night to fail to proc? sometimes I feel like I should have the buff going into a pack and I just don't

[novel star]

it just doesn’t feel as satisfying as it could

[tacit wedge]

pins

[haughty flicker]

if it actually worked with deathstalker it would feel nice

[proven jasper]

Well yeah that i agree with

[haughty flicker]

maybe one day blizzard will fix it

[novel star]

then why are you arguing with me

i said that same thing the whole time

[proven jasper]

you said it was random, which isn’t exactly true

[tacit wedge]

blizzard
fixing bugs related to sin rogue

[rotund oak]

and the first voice of reason

hello

[worthy sundial]

You said it with different words, and thus, wrong

[haughty flicker]

they tried to fix it

or at least change it

[novel star]

it is objectively random when you land on the charged combo point because rogues have a passive called seal fate!

[haughty flicker]

it went from only working on the third cp to only working on the fourth

[storm hedge]

That's subjective. For me it actually does feel good to use the cps

[haughty flicker]

which i wouldnt call progress but it is a change

[tacit wedge]

it's not random

[hexed frost]

Any ideas on pre-raid bis?

[proven jasper]

Yeah and if you mutilate from 0cp you have an extremely high chance to land on any of those points

[tacit wedge]

once you know your CP gen and crit score, you can kinda predict

[novel star]

this is such an insane thing to want to argue about so hard lmao

[tacit wedge]

it's not like we play sub rogue that can go from 0 to 7CP in a single GCD

[proven jasper]

Im not really arguing, just saying its not really a random thing

but also rng is what makes the game fun

[novel star]

“kinda” predictable is not the same as fully predictable

[vital flicker]

does anyone else feel like blizzard refuses to fix ER and deathstalker's interaction because it was cause the tuning to be out of control?

[novel star]

i think it’s just a really complicated bug

[tacit wedge]

Legion outlaw made me develop a gamblinb addiction

[novel star]

there’s some weird specific situations that make it work as intended

[storm hedge]

I have to agree with cp generation being random. Crits are inherently random. Doesn't mean it's not predictable.

[tacit wedge]

well, the doctors called it addiction, i called it dedication

[warm violet]

Legion Outlaw made me feel different

[worthy sundial]

Legion Outlaw made me change my pronouns

[tacit wedge]

same

[warm violet]

Legion Outlaw made me to wear no pants in m+

[novel star]

objectively rogue cp income is not deterministic, and you can never guarantee 10/10 times the same amount of gcds between hitting er and using the point. if this is fun or not is subjective but the mechanics are objective lol

[tacit wedge]

It wouldn't cause the tuning to be out of control, just fixing code that is running on shit that was written decades ago is more tedious than you might think

[quaint dragon]

Do we force 7combo points to get Darkest Night or just wait till we get lucky?

[novel star]

you do yes

reprimand right now doesn’t apply darkest night anyway

[quaint dragon]

oh is bugged?

[novel star]

because of a wild bug that blizz is struggling to fix

[fickle girder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

ye

[quaint dragon]

is only bug from atm?

for assa rogue that is

[haughty flicker]

there are others but thats the one that effects gameplay the most

[novel star]

i mean there’s always going to be bugs but that’s like the most important one

and seemingly the most complex hence it still not being fixed

[haughty flicker]

recuperator still stops working immediately which is my favorite bug

[proven jasper]

how long now has that been a thing

[haughty flicker]

i want to see how long it takes until it works again

[proven jasper]

like 2 years?

[tacit wedge]

Recuperator want to stay a Cataclysm/MoP thing

[quaint dragon]

deathstalker mark and animacharge cp not bugged i hope?

[tacit wedge]

it is

[quaint dragon]

faaak

[mint imp]

i cant mentally go through another tier where the tank chainpulls a 5%hp mob into a giant pack, gl all

[desert cove]

it's really not that bad with darkest night

like you lose damage from not being able to restealth for sure b/c of IC

[proven jasper]

Just vanish bro

[desert cove]

but it's not so much that you're losing all of your damage

[tacit wedge]

blade dance being hard capped is the only reason i'm not daring to get back to my Legion self and be a Outlaw otp

[desert cove]

caustic spatter does a lot of the heavy lifting

[haughty flicker]

someone needs to watch mr whispyrs new video rant about m+

although tanks pulling a single mob at 5% hp isnt exactly expert chain pulling

but you can just like

git gud idk

[tacit wedge]

remove capped aoe/cleave on melees

[proven jasper]

no just delete parry

tbh

[desert cove]

play trickster

[proven jasper]

Truth

saved!

[dark token]

Play sub

It's gone

[proven jasper]

i actually am playing sub i think

[vital flicker]

idc about an aoe cap, bring back increased range

[proven jasper]

ive been having a ton a fun playing it

Was gonna multispec sin/sub

[novel star]

says every melee player ever rn

except paladins i think right

[hearty coral]

area 52 down again?

[novel star]

nvm they got owned too idk why i thought they didnt

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was a game wide decision

[novel star]

pretty based honestly

was kind of stupid

design wise

[proven jasper]

I think its fine as long as they remember melee players exist and visual clarity is important

[tacit wedge]

if outlaw wasn't restricted to cleaving 5 targets, i'd be back to be a outlaw otp like in legion, maybe it'll change my pronouns AGAIN

[bronze pike]

i mean ya giving everyone auto range increase means no one has aut orange increase

especially when they have to make mechancis that effect that new range

[vital flicker]

I mean encounter design wise having melee not have increased range was a huge detriment and an unintentional buff to ranged classes

[bronze pike]

gross bandage and gave pirate spec players brain damage

[novel star]

yeh

[proven jasper]

Truth

[novel star]

filler

[proven jasper]

New acro goated

[novel star]

hella better

[bronze pike]

the only class i think needs a range buff is druid tbh

feral and bear with their 3 yard aoe apparently

[novel star]

ur name makes me wanna look for like

holy themed leather items

and make a paladin rogue transmog

i wont cause im lazy but i want to

[bronze pike]

pog

[novel star]

itd be so cool

if i did it

(i wont)

[vital flicker]

I read it as retro-gue

[bronze pike]

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tacit wedge]

fatebound outlaw must be
peak gambling addiction

[haughty flicker]

when is my hunter going to learn how to hold a bow

warband screen is cool in theory but every time i log in theres some silly thing like this lmao

[balmy condor]

You’re the arrow now

[past forum]

i think that's pretty standard hunter behavior

[novel star]

i look like this rn which almost counts but its not the right colour scheme and also literally 2 items but who cares i just press buttons

chill ass scarf

[balmy condor]

Rogue dress based

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

Underrated leather mog option

[novel star]

hell yeah

[balmy condor]

I was rocking the uhhh

Nighthold dress

That thing is banger

[past forum]

nighthold mog goat

[novel star]

oh damn that shit is tight

might steal

[real pike]

man the loss of shadowrunner feels HORRIBLE

[balmy condor]

You can take shadow runner

Just gotta drop like deadened nerves or something

[desert cove]

I dropped rushed setup for it

probably will put the point back in when actual content releases

[real pike]

yeah for raids ig you won't notice not having it

I got it for questing

[amber trellis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[ashen scroll]

does caustic splatter legit have a 100yrd range? that's crazy

[grand trail]

this guy is stacked for my weapon crafting 😄

[soft dew]

does haste get higher prio in st or is it the same

[balmy condor]

No it’s like 10 or 12

The spell data is just weird

Cause debuff and residual and all that

Poison ticking and you’re 70 yards away etc

[balmy condor]

It’s basically the same

[ashen scroll]

ok that makes more sense ty

[balmy condor]

Haste in aoe is good cause you’re bleeding a bunch of stuff and bleeds ticking faster = more dam

So it balances out a bit

[tall flame]

is there a good weakaura for tracking darkest night?

[soft dew]

yea i thought maybe the energy regen would be nice on st but idk

[grand trail]

whispyr did you do that m+ video

[novel star]

!wa

Fuk

[balmy condor]

Haste has a pretty small effect on energy overall you won’t notice much

[haughty flicker]

100 yard range on caustic would be hilarious jesus

[balmy condor]

Is the bot dead again

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

Oh

He just hates you I guess

[balmy condor]

Yes

[soft dew]

gotcha

[novel star]

it's so over dude

[grand trail]

cool will check later

surely its not hour long again ^_^

[balmy condor]

True! It’s longer than that

[grand trail]

shees

[balmy condor]

1:35 I think

[grand trail]

no way

[balmy condor]

But I fucked up the first couple recordings so I was yapping for like 4 hours at that point

Was a long day

[grand trail]

u r happy yapper

but you look wasted as fuck at start of video 😄

[balmy condor]

I’m something alright

Tired

[edgy crystal]

@balmy condor hey bro

@balmy condor are u using ur crests to upgrade?

[balmy condor]

Also just raw mental damage from recording for an hour and realizing you gotta go again

[edgy crystal]

or saving for later?

[balmy condor]

Idk

Probably not

[near saffron]

Hey everyone, I'm quite new to rogue here so sorry if the question was already posted many times but once the burst window is up I always struggle to know how to minimize / what to do when my energy pull is low. What is the best course of action?

[balmy condor]

I think I craft 590 gear and then just 580 everything else

[balmy condor]

You maintain envenom

So you’ll have to wait a bit for the timer

[edgy crystal]

@balmy condor dont u use crests in crafting too?

[near saffron]

And when the time has come to burst again I should wait to get enough energy to burst then?

[crisp stream]

@balmy condor which deathstalker build is recommeded for hc? bleed or hybrid>?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[balmy condor]

During burst you have tea charges or deathmark, deathmark gives a lot of energy

[pure roost]

hey guys, good afternoon everyone, an honest question, the best weapon option at the moment, is crafting 2 ironclaw 590?

[balmy condor]

For hc you can honestly just play whatever, everything explodes. Bleed probably gets you bigger sudden demise procs and generally would do more overall, I was playing fatebound hybrid all of my heroic dungeons and that was fine too

[near saffron]

Okay thank you very much for tips! I'll try to incorporate them in my mind 😄

[balmy condor]

Would only craft mainhand if you don’t have one

Offhand kinda sucks

[worthy sundial]

[haughty flicker]

if only there was a video that talked about that

[thorn fjord]

Nothing changes now that tier is gone right? @balmy condor

[worthy sundial]

Jesus you all are going whispyr insane

[pure roost]

So is it creating 1 dagger? no need to create the second one

[balmy condor]

You just replace the items with item level

[balmy condor]

Yeh just rock a 571 or 580 from heroic

Don’t waste crests on an offhand

[haughty flicker]

@balmy condor kiwis good or bad

[thorn fjord]

Meant playstyle hehe

[balmy condor]

Oh no

[pure roost]

I have a 593, I'm just going to craft an ironclaw then

[balmy condor]

The fruit, the people?

[worthy sundial]

both

[thorn fjord]

Kiwis are delicious

[haughty flicker]

you can decide

[worthy sundial]

at the same time

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you have a 593 don’t craft a dagger

[worthy sundial]

if Kiwis eat kiwis is that cannibalization?

[quick condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

The fruit is okay if it’s precut but if I have to peel it myself it’s a headache, the people are great they talk funny and I think it’s cute

[pure roost]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/pt-br/character/us/azralon/freenética

[nova aspen]

watched the whole 1 hr 35 min vid whispyr, good stuff

[balmy condor]

thank you for your engagement metrics

[cobalt sphinx]

your second dagger should not cost any crests

[balmy condor]

The algorithm will be pleased

[balmy condor]

Ya well, we live in a society

[cobalt sphinx]

i think you can upgrade a second dagger with just stones

[balmy condor]

You can’t

[pure roost]

none ?none ? or just the mainhand

[balmy condor]

Need both hands

[mint quest]

anyone got any good weakauras for tracking caustic splatter? still finding it weird to track ti

[balmy condor]

None, you already have daggers

[balmy condor]

I track it on target with my weakauras and then color the nameplate green with plater for aoe

[vast bloom]

how did yall got the heroic pieces?

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[mint quest]

what weakaura is it that you use?

[balmy condor]

Spam the dungeon no?

[worthy sundial]

By doing heroic?

[vast bloom]

those purples

he has

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

It’s in there

[vast bloom]

just upgraded them with valor?

[balmy condor]

He upgraded with crests yeah

[vast bloom]

oh bet

[nova aspen]

did u say u were going to combine ur plater with quazii's whispyr?

[balmy condor]

Already did

[nova aspen]

clicking link

[mint quest]

cheers :D

[cobalt sphinx]

upgrading a second item to 593 in the same slot doesn't usually cost crests, does it still cost crests for a weapon?

[spice spire]

Man hella productive

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Cause dual wield

They’re separate slots

[spice spire]

A-z video x4, mental Illinois, plus an upgrade to plater

Gaming

[cobalt sphinx]

bad vibes

[balmy condor]

Incredibly bad vibes

[vital flicker]

you could upgrade a bow and then upgrade both slots without crests iirc

[balmy condor]

That’s cursed technology

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

But isn’t a bow 2H cost

Like doesn’t 2 hand cost more

[quaint dragon]

bro my damage feels so shit are we only good with set or what?

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[balmy condor]

I mean set was good

But everyone else also lost their set

I wasn’t even wearing my set after level 78

[thorn fjord]

We’re all down bad together

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I never even had a set

[balmy condor]

Of balls?

[thorn fjord]

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

Atleast now I won’t die from like 3 melee hits

[spice spire]

Idk man come feel for em

[fickle girder]

idk i'm shitting on people in hcs and I don't even know what I'm doing

[thorn fjord]

I have stamina now

[balmy condor]

I ain’t going apple bobbing brother

[spice spire]

Instead of bobbing for apples you can Bob for DN

Fuck

Dog there’s no way