#assassination

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true rapids
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I'm making the swap to plater one question. I see two sets of timers counting down debuffs after I imported whispyrs from wago how can I check to make sure that doesn't happen?

inland cape
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maybe I'm playing it wrong but I feel like the m+ build is doing more for me in heroics than the preseason build

shy pecan
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Huh? What preseason build?

inland cape
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there's one on icy veins. it bs? lol

shy pecan
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I wouldn't say they're BS because they're written by TCs in here...

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Also, that's the bleed build, which is typically better because you're dealing with content that's dying very quickly.

inland cape
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yah bad wording. h me.

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gotcha. makes sense.

shy pecan
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Yeah, suggest being more careful with your words next time.

drifting cloud
fallen onyx
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is there any embellishment good?

true rapids
drifting cloud
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theres a search button

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just type omni in it or whatever

true rapids
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ah tyvm

flat sentinel
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did update fix sin?

woven shore
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Sin?

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From what i read
Some Sub bug with ds got fixed

tulip pilot
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When is it worth dropping mythic 4pc?

runic hinge
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Tomorrow

pulsar monolith
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hello, do we play with 2 charges of shiv on m+?

gilded sierra
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Do we know what race is going to be bis for M+?

nova kelp
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The one with the best mog

steady glen
rotund oak
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😂

nova kelp
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Good thing that leaves a single objectively correct choice

cerulean nest
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I did notice that bug that got fixed

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one small step at a time I guess

fossil sand
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!wa

brittle quail
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bot is dead use search to find last time it worked

echo blaze
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is there a working echoing reprimand WA that tracks the hot combo point?

snow hamlet
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wtf

rotund oak
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quite the ilvl jump

snow hamlet
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maybe just a typo

rotund oak
empty mauve
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I just did 20 waves of the one weekly to hit vanish and then the mob became untargetable
and wont become aggro again 😦

snow hamlet
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my 2 daggers have to up to 593 ilv, could they still come back? lul

shy pecan
south lava
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!er

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Whats er bug rn

slate crown
slate crown
ripe carbon
snow hamlet
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idk

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my heroic gear are still adventure

rotund oak
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not that it matters alot

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adventurer is a minor track upgrade

lusty narwhal
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are you guys crafting daggers

rotund oak
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maybe

tropic tundra
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always consider the worst case

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or go lazy(kinda same)

rotund oak
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crafting isnt that bad an option but u should delay it if u are into content that can give a wpn that can be upgraded to that ilvl

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its more of a,i can do but would avoid it if i can thing

tropic tundra
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yeah the worst part of it is getting 2 drops of high ilvl dagger after crafting

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which is not gonna happen

rotund oak
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yeah

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its basicly a middle finger to get loot after u craft

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not that it matters all that much,like season gonna pop,u gonna do 10 keys b4 jumping into raid

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ild rather focus on stabilizing my consumable production and enchants n stuff

past forum
novel star
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looking at hotfixes and seeing rogue deathstalker mark bugfix but its not The bugfix

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surely tomorrow

brittle quail
pale pine
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can we push tier 8 delves yet or am i still holding my coffer keys

flat sentinel
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i think its season start

violet island
flat sentinel
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17 delvs for the week and 8x m0 each day for full min max gonna be fun lol..

violet island
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Just don't break your bank making the gear

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M0 should mostly just be for trinkets

lusty narwhal
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I see a lot of 1x daggers and 2x rings

violet island
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Full clear of normal and heroic and a bunch of delves should cover most slots

flat sentinel
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yeah but also to learn them a bit better herioc everything dies before can even see mechanics

snow kindle
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its basically free if u wait like 5 days

violet island
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Next week you'll be able to craft a 590 piece in basically every slot

snow kindle
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ye the worst thing you can do is upgradee your gear

snow kindle
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cause crafting is more effective

lusty narwhal
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If youre rich

snow kindle
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how rich do u think rich is tho

blazing plaza
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what are we going to do with all these crests?

snow kindle
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you use them to craft

blazing plaza
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and with valorstones ?

violet island
snow kindle
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save valor stones

lusty narwhal
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What embellishments are people using on daggers

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dawnthread or

pale pine
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is it still deadly and instant poison or am i missing dps without amp poison?

snow kindle
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if youre doing r5 that is

violet island
snow kindle
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what item are you getting thats 584 though

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besides renown

violet island
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Renown and some world drops

snow kindle
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theres no 584 world drops i dont think

violet island
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You're going to get at least 270 crests - probably closer to 360 once you factor in all the free rewards

snow kindle
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theres only 3 584 renown items

violet island
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You can afford to upgrade some pieces

rotund oak
rotund oak
snow kindle
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oh yea you could upgrade some parts but like if you full send an item from like 570 to 600 you basically lost 2 590 items

jolly heath
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is serum trinket good for us

frosty verge
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!wa

violet island
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There are plenty of screenshots of people with people who have loot from rares at 584 or higher that dropped that way

snow kindle
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id need to see

violet island
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Some people have 600 plus ilvl weapons

jolly heath
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i assummed they need to spend carved crest for that?

violet island
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Indeed

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But the point is that the items can drop at the higher levels

snow kindle
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id love to see an item drop of 584 if u seen a screen shot

violet island
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Just wait a day, people have been posting things randomly on all the discords

lusty narwhal
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idk whether to embellish or not lol

snow kindle
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are you sure thats real? lol

bleak ledge
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its real, its also kinda a meme weapon cause it doesnt have main stat. but there are "titanforged" world drops out there

snow kindle
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oh right paladins have ashbringer as legion wep

violet island
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It's real

violet island
snow kindle
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why doesnt armory show upgrade lvl wack

violet island
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It's on the veteran track

pale gate
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The sheer amount of extra damage we will do when reprimand works with death stalker will be amazing. I hope they fix it and not just ignore it

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Might even be too good... to work as intended....

vast bloom
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do yall recommend using valorstones to get heroic daung gear to 580?

violet island
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I do

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And craft a bunch of stuff at 590 using weathered crests

ripe carbon
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theres gonna be a hotfix where dungeon gear is 480

violet island
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Lmao

ripe carbon
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dunno when that is tho but its on most recent post

violet island
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The most recent post was an error

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They actually changed it Tuesday to what it currently is

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And that's what they meant

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Then, in 2 weeks when heroic raid launches, they are increasing the item level of hero dungeons to 580

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But by then you won't be using that gear, you'll be getting 603 from Delve and 593 from m0

vast bloom
uneven plume
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any LW on NA here?

violet island
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Yes, the adventurer/explorer thing is a mistake in the patch note

vast bloom
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doesnt seem to be live tho, just did an hero daung and it gave me an adventurer piece

uneven plume
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its completely dead for LW

violet island
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It is live, they mistyped explorer and adventurer

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On Monday, the dungeon journal showed that loot was explorer 4 out of 8

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That changed Tuesday to adventurer one out of eight

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But the only included it in the hot fix that you posted it

vast bloom
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yea just saw that most likely is a typo

violet island
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And then they messed it up by typing the wrong names in the wrong areas

runic hinge
ripe carbon
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i see

past forum
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you can technichnically guild hop to have crafting orders filled, but that probably isn't the best route

flint gulch
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Assa always feels compfy which makes not wanting to step out of my comfort zone but i have too

ripe saddle
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What is better between deadly vs instant for lvling and for dungeons rn?

balmy condor
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well deadly does the same damage as instant

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but it additionally is a dot

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so you got instant poison, or instant poison + bonus

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never use instant Okay

bleak ledge
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wound poison enjoyers

south lava
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!pooling

twin sparrow
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do you use any macros for cds? like dm+pots+shiv+kingsbane

silk bane
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theyre all on gcd except pot so probably not a good idea

twin sparrow
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despite pot, why its not a good idea? just to understand

silk bane
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  1. theyre all on gcd. so you would need to make some weird cast sequence.
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  1. you would need another bind for shiv on its own
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  1. its easy to make a mistake forget to spam your cast sequence properly and completly fuck up your cds
cobalt sphinx
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With only one shiv, do you shiv before kingsbane or in the second half of the dot

cobalt sphinx
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Thanks

balmy condor
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
zealous wolf
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!poison

prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

zealous wolf
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!guide

zealous wolf
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!wa

grim jay
icy girder
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upgraded my sack and mainhand is it worth doing offhand?

waxen oyster
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Badly designed hero trees.

balmy condor
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(don't upgrade your offhand)

strange python
icy girder
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ara-kara sac

thorn crater
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Do we have a renown preference to raise first?

grim jay
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So look at the rewards

grim jay
icy girder
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@balmy condor would u say maybe pants next? i have the renown helm shoulders n chest upgraded

balmy condor
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sure

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pants sounds fine

icy girder
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ty good sir enjoy your day

balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
grim jay
balmy condor
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fuckin

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22 minutes

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just for stealths

grim jay
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Drink water is a legit point after 47 min

haughty flicker
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why are you drinking my water

waxen oyster
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tbh i feel stealth gets mentioned alot

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because alot of players dont know how to multidot

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without IC

fallen arch
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Uh

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Target mob, apply dot

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Mouse over, apply dot

balmy condor
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but I also can't NOT talk about it

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cause like

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ya know

grim jay
thorn crater
cunning needle
waxen oyster
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m+ mains are a special breed

waxen oyster
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of creatures

grim jay
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Cant get a gotcha if you dont interact

balmy condor
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yeah but then it feels like I'm just avoiding the conflict

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and I'm not a pussy!!!!!

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I want to argue!!!!

cunning needle
balmy condor
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the hair says queer, the body says twink, but the mouth says angry

grim jay
balmy condor
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holy

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caught in 4k

cunning needle
balmy condor
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📸

grim jay
fallen arch
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Oh you’re referring back to that

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I may or may not have been in a group with a chainpulling tank at that moment in time

distant helm
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Is this honey buzzer trinket simming correctly or is it bugged? Seems fukcing insane

fallen arch
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I don’t mind it that much, just used to a tank that lets me actually restealth between packs

balmy condor
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I wouldn't worry too much right now

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things will iron out over the next week

distant helm
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Alright, i kinda no lifed farmed some trinkets already guess i should have waited

balmy condor
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farming heroic dungeon trinkets

plucky iron
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What is the difference between the talent builds Raid ST and Raid Easy Mode

distant hinge
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raid easy mode you can play drunk

distant helm
grim jay
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You will do a week of daily m0

cobalt sphinx
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well there's literally nothing to do for 2 weeks

fallen arch
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Gotta be geared for a week of daily m0

cobalt sphinx
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might as well farm trinkets

balmy condor
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I mean

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you could touch grass

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maybe

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idk if they have grass where you're from

cobalt sphinx
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got all year to touch grass

cunning needle
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are there trinkets in the grass?

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and are they BIS?

grim jay
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Might aswell spam hc dungeons got replaced with "might aswell enjoy smth different" after I got that stupid minecart dungeon back to back

daring glacier
grim jay
balmy condor
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dragon tempered blades

daring glacier
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ty

grim jay
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Dunno how anyone thought that light mechanic and the minecart minigame would be great

distant helm
zealous wolf
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just a question, we track caustic spatter to focus the target which has it?

cunning needle
grim jay
zealous wolf
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to get the poison splash?

zealous wolf
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ty

cunning needle
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dont think there are renown legs?

cobalt sphinx
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no i thought it was helmet shoulders chest trinket

snow kindle
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^

plain jewel
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Do you have to have the mob targeted when it dies to gain darkest night. There are so many times where I'm just multidotting massive packs and I never get my mark again when mobs die in dungeons

west cove
zealous wolf
# balmy condor yes

oh im using your weak aura 😄 another question, is the SnD tracker expected just to show up when you dont have SnD? like you dont need to track it since it refreshes with envenom?

balmy condor
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yes

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normally after you cast snd

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you just envenom

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and never think about snd ever again

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so no reason to track it

zealous wolf
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i guess

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i think ill just set it to show all the time for now

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im kinda dumb so i need it 🙂

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thanks for the auras btw, i love them

balmy condor
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if it makes you feel better to see slice and dice permanently sit at 50 seconds

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go for it

balmy condor
plain jewel
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Feels like I can't get my deathmark back in dungeons if I don't get a restealth. Is that how it is or just a skill issue lol

balmy condor
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skill issue

grim jay
balmy condor
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capstone

grim jay
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Best example ig

balmy condor
brisk plank
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!wa

grim jay
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Yeah I only start looking at my WAs after the opener kekdog

strange python
distant helm
grim jay
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Sub officially embraces deathstalker aswell now OMEGAKEKW

plain jewel
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Aight. Just seems like I don't get the darkest night quite a lot for some reason

grim jay
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In the first place

strange python
zealous wolf
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is the echoing thing with dn a bug or expected?

strange python
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Hopefully a big but who knows

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bug*

royal depot
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@balmy condor Hi, do you have your own discord with notification when you stream or post a video? Would love to watch some streams ❤️

balmy condor
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I do but idk if that dumb bot works

zealous wolf
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another thing, is it expected to not get another DNwhen you use a DN envenom to kill a mob?

tropic tundra
balmy condor
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seems to work

tropic tundra
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Good to know

balmy condor
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I'll send you an inv

zealous wolf
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i guess its expected since you dont get marks on the mob before it dies

grim jay
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Expected behaviour

zealous wolf
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sadge

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mobs die so fasst

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and you get like 1.5-2m crits

tropic tundra
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sleep until early m+s

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🛌

grim jay
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Id probably just play fatebound until m0s

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If it bothers you

zealous wolf
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nah, i need to learn

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i just hope they dont nerf sin and "force" us to play outlaw as many times before

grim jay
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Cant force me to play outlaw

strange python
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Can't nerf us if they have 0 rogue devs

zealous wolf
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xd

unreal mauve
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
vestal wren
balmy condor
plain jewel
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Is it a bug or intended if you envenom with darkest night up, and the mob dies, you dont refresh your darkest night

balmy condor
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probably not intended

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but also not fixable

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because damage events always happen before debuff/buff events

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that's just the order of operations in the game

plain jewel
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ah I see

grim jay
# balmy condor but also not fixable

They could probably let the buff disappear only on mark application instead of on the damageevent and just make the buff a max cp envenom damage increase in general until consumed, but that could probably be abused in some ways aswell kekdog

balmy condor
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davyn rate the thumbnail

fallen arch
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10/10

brisk plank
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Yo whisp thanks for everything you are doing for this community, your guides and insights made me play this spec

balmy condor
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my pleasure

royal lantern
grim jay
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9.5/10
I nearly died on sight with the emote OMEGAKEKW
Also good to show the deathstalker auperiority with increased size 📈

whole sand
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oh shit video poggersgasp

fallen arch
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1h35 video lesgo

cobalt sphinx
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cursed pickaxe yay or nay

kindred breach
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Thank you Whispyr boss

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The description though lmao

balmy condor
kindred breach
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I imagine lol you need a fresh monster after this

balmy condor
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the third recording

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I got 70 minutes in

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and then was like

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"I never talked about hero talents, shit"

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that one

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was heartbreaking

grim jay
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Dang I cant read anything rn bcs im on slowmode for the rest of the month nomf

kindred breach
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You always record everything one shot? Damn thats crazy

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On 1h35 vids

balmy condor
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yeah

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I could edit

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but editing takes time

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and effort

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and skill

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and we don't do any of those around here

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so we just one shot it

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and every now and then I have to re-record and it sucks but that's just life

whole sand
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all of the best guides are unedited one-takes

kindred breach
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Yup i see at least you have the 3rd one pepe_chad

balmy condor
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most of the time thumbnails are even too much effort for me

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but I saw the meme and couldn't pass it up

jaunty dew
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its jover boys

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we ain't getting an echoing reprimand fix

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sadge

balmy condor
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sure we are

strange python
balmy condor
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they just fucked with it today

jaunty dew
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i just went over the patch notes

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didn't see it

grim jay
balmy condor
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yeah but now the 3cp bug

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is 4cp

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and sub got a buff

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because of the darkest night thing

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so they're clearly doing something

jaunty dew
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oh whelp

haughty flicker
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wait

grim jay
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I dont think its an easy thing to fix

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Er with darkest night atleast

haughty flicker
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they changed something and now instead of only working with 3cp, it only works with 4cp?

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thats uh

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pretty cursed

balmy condor
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yes

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:)

haughty flicker
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well at least they're trying

grim jay
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Because we just happen to have 7 cp max, ER doesnt give you a max cp finisher and darkest night is set to proc on a max cp finisher

balmy condor
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all they need to do is do the same thing to 4 that they did to 3

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and then the same thing to 5 that they did to 4

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and then put it all together

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and we're good to go

grim jay
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But maybe they dont know what they did

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(happens to me sometimes)

balmy condor
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blizzard is just edging us

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by fixing it 1cp at a time

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its like a striptease

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but for hero talents

grim jay
kindred breach
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xD one cloth at a time

grim jay
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But hey, atleast deathstalker is ahead for sub now aswell

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Thats something

kindred breach
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While i'm here like "take EVERYTHING off"

royal lantern
balmy condor
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I'm just brain damaged

zealous wolf
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is there a bis list for the first 3 weeks?

balmy condor
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no

zealous wolf
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idk if i should just upgrade any 571 piece to 580

balmy condor
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every guide page and theorycrafter has stopped doing pre-raid bis cause it's just absolutely pointless

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BiS even during the season is kinda pointless

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but before season is even worse

hallow ruin
balmy condor
balmy condor
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tons of effort for a list of gear you replace within an hour of servers going live on heroic week

hallow ruin
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so should we just grab the highest ilvl stuff and hope it's good enough for week 1?

balmy condor
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what's the point of that

strange rampart
hallow ruin
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that's good to know

balmy condor
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if you're like 565-570 by the time heroic week comes out

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you're good to go

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if you're giga chad heroic spammer

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you'd be like 575-580

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and if you're world first grinding machine you'd be above 580

hallow ruin
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isn't it more important to spam m0s when they come out though?

balmy condor
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and every single one of those people

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will be replacing all of their gear

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the moment the servers come up

strange rampart
hallow ruin
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fine, once per day for each one >.>

balmy condor
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yep

strange rampart
balmy condor
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mythic drops 593

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it's....

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not that high

balmy condor
strange rampart
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interesting

balmy condor
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normal is basically leveling dungeons

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heroic is old normal

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and m0 is old heroic

zealous wolf
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i was just thinking if it matters to "waste" valorstones on haste/vers chest upgrade when i can get a mastery/haste chest and upgrade it

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but i guess you get so much valorstones

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it wont matter

balmy condor
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I mean valorstones aren't capped at all

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you can just keep spamming

zealous wolf
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yeah

strange rampart
balmy condor
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if you want to min-max you'd stockpile 2k for heroic week

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but even then like

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you're gonna be crest limited

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all of this pre-raid stuff

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is literally the tiniest of min-maxes

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and kinda pointless

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once m+ comes out

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all of this saving your delve key here

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and saving your crests there

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and doing your weeklies in this order

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it's all pointless

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you just end up doing m+ and none of what you did the month prior is going to matter

rotund oak
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ppl just craft because ''omgihavetocraftbecauseitsthebesticandofor5ilvls''

balmy condor
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but for some reason the entire community has rallied behind world first players squeezing every drop of even an iota of damage out for specifically the first tuesday of the season

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it's actual brainrot

solar wyvern
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Yeah crafting 590 items is wild rn

zealous wolf
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yeah i guess any 580 piece of gear you have youre gonna replace with the first 593 you get from mythic, regardless of stats

rotund oak
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u can passively gain 580+ ilvl by doing weekly stuff now

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watch me type it

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E A S Y

jolly crater
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@balmy condor nice m+ video thx, do you got your plater linked somewhere aswell?

rotund oak
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!wa

rotund oak
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last one

zealous wolf
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anyone done the worldsoul quest with the heroic dungeon?

kindred hinge
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Any reason to not grab a crafted Dagger if we can or there is better in the vault?

jolly crater
zealous wolf
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on wowhead it says its bugged so idk

rotund oak
kindred hinge
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Short term*

haughty sand
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@balmy condor When do you plan to release the m+ vid :D?

zealous wolf
wise river
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hi Whispyr i love your afenar wa but it seems the slice and dice buff not showing up?

haughty sand
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That was fast 😄

zealous wolf
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just opened it myself xd

balmy condor
zealous wolf
wise river
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ohh thanks alot !!!

silver otter
#

Mmmh I've been using Whispyr's plater profile (I'm kind of a new plater user so still getting used to it) and it seems I have no indication for Kingsbane target. Deathmark is super explicit but Kingsbane alone I can't seem to track 🤔

zealous wolf
#

id rather track it with a wa

balmy condor
#

so idk

#

the deathmark indicator already feels overkill to me

agile wedge
#

did the last enemy wave 20/20 for one of the bigger events bug too?

#

cant attack dude and iam trapped here

#

(vanish is to blame)

buoyant pewter
#

hi guys, is the ER bug from deathstalker fixed yet ?

pale pine
#

what do you need for a 590 craft? is it the missives?

agile wedge
#

no just a proper crafter, i did the same mistake

#

public order can do whatever to you

cunning needle
spring socket
#

they fixed deathstalker yet with ER ?

merry bison
#

Does someone have a great garrote / rupture / CT weakaura for tracking & setup?

steel ridge
#

95 minutes of whispyr yapping

#

is it christmas already?

balmy condor
spring socket
#

boooo

cerulean peak
spring socket
#

yeah

#

17 easy 18 a push

zealous wolf
#

is there no point in tracking scent of blood? to know if you have enough ruptures up on giga pulls?

balmy condor
#

there is

#

I track it

zealous wolf
#

i dont see it in the weak aura?

#

or am i blind

balmy condor
#

in mine?

random fossil
# balmy condor no

Do we suspect it's not a bug yet and they just don't want it to work with ER

zealous wolf
#

i am blind

#

i didnt notice the number on the rupture tracker

#

🙂

silver otter
#

and forgot which target it was

balmy condor
#

no time to improve like the present!

silver otter
#

because I targetted something else to do cc or something else haha

#

I need to make my cc mouse-over....

#

and my garrote and rupture too I think

#

but at the same time our range is so limited that targetting actually help if I have to move to the target ...?

#

Decisions decisions...

whole sand
#

im freaking out about the loss of stealth rn

balmy condor
#

do not

winged quail
#

I just wish Darkest Night had some kinda visual indicator that it was ready, relying on a big flashing WA to know to build to 7 is fun

#

Also wish it worked with ER so I could just count how many finishers I’d used

balmy condor
#

yah well

#

we don't get blessed with visuals on this class

normal mist
#

In a m+ scenario with a bunch of enemies on top of you, you wouldn't notice it

jolly crater
#

i mean it feels really shit for me as new rogue, to apply rupture on like 5 targets without stealth, but i think it is just the way to go if i want to keep dealing dps with enough energy. just tested it out like in the video with 5 ruptures manuelly applied every time and it feels sooo much better to play.

winged quail
#

It feels bad rn cuz packs die in 4 seconds

jolly crater
#

ye

#

btw what does the number in the top right of envenom counts?

balmy condor
#

amp poison

normal mist
#

Also, with SBS you're casting 2 ruptures in a row most of the time

#

So it isn't half bad

jolly crater
tawny geyser
#

Who can help me set this up so that it doesnt take me out of stealth when I use it, if it even is possible.

grim jay
grim jay
#

Idk what prismatic bauble is tho

tawny geyser
#

it's a rainbow toy

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so makes the sprint really look cool

#

paid 250k for it 😂

runic hinge
jolly crater
whole sand
#

but if you're in stealth no one will be able to see your rainbow

halcyon hamlet
#

Jesus chriust this trinket is insane, it lasts for a minute

tawny geyser
#

I see it, dont care bout others 😛

grim jay
tawny geyser
#

I haven't, maybe I can try

grim jay
#

Probably the only way

#

Unless you wanna vanish every time

jolly crater
hybrid geyser
#

hello guys, how much crit/mastery/haste/versa should we have as assa? 😮

balmy condor
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
grim jay
#

Ye

jolly crater
#

didnt they say hc is supposed to be m0? tsss

grim jay
#

I actually didnt check what they said. bla
Its always the same tho

#

Like low m+ are already fine bcs of sudden demise

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And tanks not being able to pull everything all the time at the beginning of the season

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And the higher you go the better it will be

jolly crater
#

imagine they still manage to die in hc

grim jay
#

@balmy condor who made those cursed coin emotesmonkahmm

vale lantern
#

about how much should i be simming at or looking to be simming at at 580?

#

in as deathstalker im getting like 560k full buffs (no PI)

grim jay
#

What kind of question is that PogO
You sim for what you sim for. If you get a better piece of gear that sims higher, you sim higher
How high others sim is entirely irrelevant for what you will do

robust river
#

Noobie question.
Crimson Tempest - does the multiple target buff apply as a snapshot of that cost, i.e. I have to hit all 5 targets with that one cast.
Or if I use it twice, on 2 sets of 3 targets, do both sets of instances get buffed to the 5 target damage?

hallow ruin
#

The sims are basically showing you what numbers you'd get if you play perfectly right?

vale lantern
grim jay
hallow ruin
#

ye, so to answer your question, just find your character on the sim, and that tells you what number you should be getting playing perfectly with the gear you have.

kindred breach
#

guys do you think on high lvl M+ keys we should go dwarf instead of night elf?

#

or it is not relevant for this M+ bracket?

vale lantern
#

i guess mainly just am i low at 560 or is arcane just busted

versed mica
grim jay
robust river
hallow ruin
#

arcane is busted

grim jay
#

So you just compare sims basically

vale lantern
grim jay
#

Patchwerk 5 min

#

Same buffs enabled

robust river
#

Ensure you are simming in same settings / buffs etc.

vale lantern
#

yeah pw 5 optimal buffs for both of us

#

(all but PI)

grim jay
#

Idk what the Max sim of arcane in s1 gear is tbf, but comparing sims isnt really worth to do, thats neither how balancing works nor what will end up as the state in raids

fallow sonnet
#

if you are crimson tempest spec for M+ aoe, are you supposed to apply crimson tempest on single target boss damage before going into your deathmark shiv, kingsbane burst rotation?

grim jay
#

Some specs just naturally sim higher without necessarily being stronger

#

Like outlaw for example

fallow sonnet
#

so ambush garrote rupture snd echoing reprimand fok envenom deathmark shiv kingsbane is the beginner for the rotation?

grim jay
#

Or always up to date

#

!guide

grim jay
#

The wowhead guide

fallow sonnet
#

ok sick

#

good link

#

ty

#

i was looking at the wowhead guide, i didnt know if having crimson tempest talented changed the opening sequence before sending the CD buttons

#

deathmark shiv and kb

grim jay
grim jay
fallow sonnet
#

gotcha

#

thanks bro

coral star
#

!macros

grim jay
coral star
#

Ok, ty 🙂

grim jay
#

Except CB if you play fatebound

balmy condor
#

well even that kinda isn't

grim jay
#

Yeah still better without macroing

robust river
#

Does pickpocket ambush macro still work nowadays? 😄

balmy condor
#

probably

robust river
#

Any value in pick pocket this expan?

#

Any mini quest or anything

whole sand
#

!wa

balmy condor
robust river
robust river
#

Sweet thanks

balmy condor
#

you can kinda play around it I guess

#

but probably not worth the effort

balmy condor
#

ends up just being a pain in the ass for maybe damage or maybe not damage depending on if you get it right or not

#

with 0 feedback

#

cause like how are you gonna know

fallow sonnet
#

how much single target dps does a ilvl 550 rogue do in burst rotation is like 400k good on a dummy?

balmy condor
#

should sim yourself and compare to that probably

fallow sonnet
#

kk

tall atlas
balmy condor
#

did people actually not know that

tall atlas
#

😂

grim jay
#

Think its just for the meme of it

tall atlas
#

Why tf do I have this coin on my name

grim jay
#

Doubt anyone doesnt know most class halls

grim jay
#

Keep flipping bro

hallow ruin
#

my class hall is the auction house, excuse me

abstract onyx
#

Never played assassin before and its so hard to judge how it plays during leveling, after i use my backstab and garrote and rupture nothing happens then all of a sudden the boss keels over.

balmy condor
#

I got rid of them for you

grim jay
robust river
balmy condor
grim jay
balmy condor
#

yes

#

not fully set up yet

grim jay
#

The hero talent icon itself is probably weird to down size ig?

abstract onyx
#

but yeah i usually play enhance shaman but wanted a change this expac

grim jay
abstract onyx
#

i have a feeling its too big brain for me though with the whole pooling energy etc

robust river
grim jay
snow kindle
#

It’s the opposite of big brain

round nexus
#

Do we really send Echoing reprimand before mutilate (caustic spatter) in AoE if we use bonespikes?

spring cradle
#

Yo

balmy condor
round nexus
#

I see, i'm new too assa 🙂 Thanks

umbral cypress
#

do we still have any of these?

grim jay
balmy condor
feral mason
#

just applying dots to one big mob, and getting your ct and dn off

#

Usually sends you to a lot more than that

dense cloud
#

Is there a best choice with this new weekly q?

lunar oracle
#

Any info/ideas on who to pact with in azj-kahet? Or does it not matter? Trying to avoid making the 'wrong' choice like in the SL covenants

balmy condor
#

doesn't matter

#

to both questions

hasty viper
lunar oracle
balmy condor
#

np

feral mason
#

people are too traumatized by SL i swear kekdog

dense cloud
#

yeah

#

im taking the dungeon q, easier

lunar oracle
hasty viper
#

It's harder because you actually have to queue into the fucking dungeon

dense cloud
#

easier cuz i got fucking tank and heal friends

#

hehehe

feral mason
#

instead of random queue

hasty viper
#

I guess, after a 30 minute queue yesterday I just spammed heroics with guildies and got fully decked out, but I assume the queue is still the same for dps

royal lantern
#

idk, never had queue above 4min

hasty viper
#

Maybe it was just an unlucky hour Surebud

brave stump
#

holy shit @balmy condor

#

that thumbnail

#

is such a banger

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

something is broken at that point

brave stump
# balmy condor

everyone has the same thumbnail and then yours inbetween on my frontpage was an instant eyecatcher

final star
balmy condor
grim jay
lapis coral
# balmy condor

Great video 👍 thanks for taking the time making it. I just have one question, in the video you explain that going down on the left side of the tree (Lightweight Shiv, Systemic Failure, Blindside and Zoldyck Recipe) isent that good, and you show in your video an alternate build around Sudden Demise. But on wowhead you recommend going down left side for the Sudden demise build. Is your video build more uptodate or is the left side just more noob friendly? Ty again for your investment of time!

balmy condor
grim jay
balmy condor
#

once the season comes out you'd pretty much play hybrid everywhere all the time

grand trail
#

Did they turn off sets

lapis coral
#

Thanks for clarifying, because the explenation on wowhead says "recommendation for most Mythic+ player". So I thought it would be recommended for like Mythic 1-5 or something.

hasty viper
grim jay
hasty viper
#

Lmao

abstract onyx
#

Is there a set of plater "coloured bars" that people use? i use a set on enhance to show who has flameshock or lashing flames.

balmy condor
lapis coral
abstract onyx
#

cheers

hasty viper
#

Whispyr, since you have the coin icon I guess you are playing Fatebound, any specific reason for that?

velvet nacelle
#

you guys feel like people, but tanks especially, are leaving after the first boss of a dungeon more this expansion?

velvet nacelle
#

every other dungeon today i had the tank leave after the first boss, sometimes they'd ask for the drop but whether they got it or not they'd peace out

normal mist
#

Coin is just pretty

grim jay
gusty mirage
#

:3

normal mist
#

DAMN

#

SMOOTH

velvet nacelle
grim jay
#

Yeah but I would leave aswell if I would waste my time otherwise

velvet nacelle
#

so you'd happily fuck 4 strangers on the internet and make them waste their time?

royal lantern
#

not worth wasting energy on

grim jay
#

Id rather waste a minute of someone I dont know than 10 minutes of myself

velvet nacelle
#

took 10 minutes in the queue to get a new tank just now

royal lantern
#

you just said that you are a dick

grim jay
#

Im fine with that kekdog

grim jay
velvet nacelle
#

naw usually it was 2-5 minutes

royal lantern
velvet nacelle
#

but it's late now

grim jay
#

Should usually go pretty fast if its not the healer

#

Ye might be the time

velvet nacelle
#

i mean during prime time today it was only taking me 2-5 minutes to even get in a dungeon

#

but either way

grim jay
velvet nacelle
#

it's a dick move

balmy condor
velvet nacelle
#

i mean it's hypothetical since we can't tank heh

#

i didn't love ting build but i didn't give it a fair shot i think

hasty viper
#

Do you not enjoy deathstalker then? Or is it just about the variety for the time being

balmy condor
#

deathstalker is fine

#

I just want to play fatebound rn

subtle tundra
#

.

velvet nacelle
#

they're both fine, but i can see his point

subtle tundra
#

Wtf is my icon

balmy condor
#

coup de grace

subtle tundra
#

What is that shit

#

Coup my ass

balmy condor
#

role icons got updated

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

go get a new one

subtle tundra
#

I honestly don't want any I hate both

#

😔

robust river
#

Don't have either then?

subtle tundra
#

Meowwwww

balmy condor
#

god deathstalker feels so sick on dummies please just fix ER I beg

novel arrow
#

Is outlaw still better than all of us for M+ you guys think?

haughty flicker
#

why is there a fatebound heads and fatebound tails

balmy condor
royal lantern
velvet nacelle
novel arrow
#

@balmy condor I'm listening to you on Max's tierlist on youtube right at this second . lol.

balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
#

well

velvet nacelle
#

i don't think we're gonna get into lots of "i want god comp only" key pugs as sin

balmy condor
#

fuu could

#

he's the bot master

velvet nacelle
#

but i dunno that outlaw will either anymore

#

@balmy condor still would be a ton of API calls

royal lantern
hasty viper
#

Should the updated icons be in ,,Channels & roles"?

velvet nacelle
#

depending how talkative someone is

balmy condor
#

I don't think it's all that hard either, just like read the message, pick a number 1 through 10, then assign role in array by that number

#

but yeah

#

api calls would be crazy

#

and sounds not fun

haughty flicker
#

if you roll the same icon 7 times in a row you get shadow role

rotund jungle
cursive knoll
#

does your profile put a deathmark timer (just numbers) in the middle of the health bar?

strange python
balmy condor
haughty flicker
#

maybe stop abusing the economy then

balmy condor
#

my bad

tropic tundra
#

raer mounts

rotund jungle
#

Is it a bug or is it intented?

#

That Er cps don’t work I mean

bronze pike
tropic tundra
#

the whispers? its just another scam from low iq people

#

yeah thats a known bug

rotund jungle
#

That’s crazy

tropic tundra
#

the game is arthaskek

strange python
#

Crazy?

#

I was crazy once

tropic tundra
#

you sure about that

rotund jungle
#

I thought they want it like this 😂

balmy condor
tropic tundra
#

perhaps that is the intention

haughty flicker
#

maybe the real bug was the friends we made along the way

strange python
balmy condor
#

abusing economy (creating artificial scarcity in the monster energy supply)

strange python
#

I‘m with you on that one

#

God I really should stop with monster

bronze pike
strange python
#

(I won’t)

bronze pike
#

Is that still a thing still

#

Paywalling apl

strange python
#

I think azor still does?

balmy condor
#

I think he just paywalls his sims

#

Which are just regular sims

strange python
#

Ye his sims

bronze pike
#

I respect the hussle I guess

#

But I thought he stopped after people figured out it he uses a 1000ilvl bow to inflate it

strange python
#

Wasn’t it the opposite

#

Didn’t they sim really low

#

And we’re like oopsie we forgot to sim the bow

balmy condor
#

Yeh he sandbagged by not using the bow

tropic tundra
#

really

#

lol

bronze pike
#

lol

gloomy otter
#

hey can someone help me make a macro that uses deathmark , shiv , kingsbane in 1 button in that order? the simple /cast doesnt work , and i dont know how to make a sequence macro :/

balmy condor
#

Idk, as long as people are paying I guess

tropic tundra
#

not recommeded at all but

bronze pike
#

Ya one out of ten people are suckers so w/e

brisk plank
balmy condor
#

Plays basically the same

#

If you run arterial you can do the forbidden tea for mastery technology

#

But aside from that it’s all the same

#

Just shifts the damage around

#

Like think of it not as gameplay change

#

But as damage shift

tropic tundra
balmy condor
#

If you play bleed, you’re simply pushing more damage into bleeds, less into caustic

#

If you play cleave you’re pushing damage into caustic, less into bleeds

gloomy otter
tropic tundra
#

strongly recommend to not use this in actual endgame pve but i hope that helped

#

best use of these are something like all the buffs you need to refresh every hour

#

like poisons so that you can press the thing and get all 4 set

balmy condor
#

Well for starters in m+ that macro sucks

final star
balmy condor
#

Cause you play 1 charge

tropic tundra
#

yeah

gloomy otter
#

its in the rota for assa on wowhead

#

tought ill bind em together

tropic tundra
#

thats the opener

gloomy otter
#

yeh thats what i wanna use it for

final star
#

with 2 charges

#

just press the buttons yourself

#

why on earth you need a macro

sharp viper
#

whispyr loves castsequence macros

final star
#

@earnest remnant

#

can you make me a castsequence macro for my entire opener please

#

sennarth vibes

tropic tundra
#

may I ask what takes most of your keybinds? we have fairly low amount of rotational abilities among every dps

gloomy otter
balmy condor
#

I mean if you wanna do it idc I’m not the one playing it and then getting cucked by cast sequences

tropic tundra
#

in long term you def give em all separate binds

final star
#

you end up having more binds even

#

because you don't always press buttons in that sequence

tropic tundra
#

yeah things happen

final star
#

so in your endeavour to make life easier

#

you in effect make it harder

earnest remnant
final star
#

thanks darling

tropic tundra
#

if you don't mind you can share your entire keybind for assassin so that we review the...buttons problem

rotund oak
#

🔪

balmy condor
earnest remnant
#

wanna fight boomer ass skeleton

rotund oak
final star
#

I can assure you, there is plenty to go around

rotund oak
#

mmm

final star
rugged sphinx
#

!wa

final star
earnest remnant
#

since you are so old sap

#

do u know him?

rotund oak
#

happens to have studied them

earnest remnant
#

you should be around the same age

#

maybe went to school together or smth

rotund oak
#

😂

feral mason
#

the blue 4cp incident

kind forge
orchid cedar
#

can you craft a spark this week?

final star
feral mason
#

ER 4cp is SOMETIMES proccing deathstalker mark / dn

#

completely rng though

#

shits funny as hell

earnest agate
#

everytime I play rogue I feel sad and I wanna play something else but whispyr drops a new video and fills my veins with copium

final star
#

Oh yeah I knew that from playing

#

I noticed it but couldn't replicate it

#

I was like, nice 4cp procs it

#

then did 4cp the next one and it didn't

#

then a few later it did

feral mason
#

like i get some stuff being bugged

#

but just how does this happen

rotund oak
#

4rth charged cp is a cat

#

confirmed

#

moody

final star
rotund oak