We already dealt with it nerd
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gusty mirage
gusty mirage
grim jay
Ah now the messages did load in
blazing badge
Given the fight is more than 2 minutes, if you do that and delay, you will not be able to apply improved garrote next time you use deathmark
blazing badge
If the fight is less than 2 minutes, then your variant is preferable by me
gusty mirage
I think it has to do with delaying vanish, because you wait for vanish to be back up for your next deathmark. Eleem or whispyr can probably answer it better than me because I’m firmly in the retirement home now
You wouldn’t want to desync vanish and deathmark by too much. And as Mekc said, for short fights your suggestion is likely going to be better
grim jay
Yeah you just delay your next DM further
If you delay vanish
So it doesnt really add anything to garrote again there
magic thorn
Ok i understand, thanks for the insight
grim jay
You wouldn’t want to desync vanish and deathmark by too much. And as Mekc said, ...
Even then probably not noticeably ig, since it doesnt have that much value on its own
And the uptime in DM remains unchanged
gusty mirage
Even then probably not noticeably ig, since it doesnt have that much value on it...
I mean on a fight where you’re not getting a second synced death mark/vanish it’s for sure noticeable
Is it going to double your damage? No. But it’s for sure a dps gain in situations where fights are shorter than getting a second synced dm/vanish because you get more uptime on imp garrote
magic thorn
But wouldnt it be better for a fight where you dont get a second synced DM + Vanish to use my opener and hold vanish until the second DM
So only appliable for fights with less then 2m 25s
gusty mirage
But wouldnt it be better for a fight where you dont get a second synced DM + Van...
Ye it should be in that situation
Cause you’re getting full value out of the imp garrotes with deathmark
Esp cause you’re getting one cast of vanish anyway on that kill timer
Essentially anything shorter than 2 minutesish CD windows, it’s sort of a free for all and a feel angle toward CD usage
earnest remnant
you should get TWW come to EU stormreaver and craft me daggers
gusty mirage
I’m not buying TWW again
I scammed them into refunding it once idk if I can do it again
blazing badge
What is the value to update Garrote / Rupture debuffs? Was it 6 seconds or so?
Updating my WA.
gusty mirage
!pandemic
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Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
brisk plank
do we always save vanish for improved gar before we deathmark?
gusty mirage
Ye you want vanish to reapply an imp gar during DM
Order doesn’t matter as much cause if you vanish garrote during DM you’ll overwrite the non imp garrote
brisk plank
oh during? like last 3 sec in kingsbane or thats obsolete?
grim jay
Order doesn’t matter as much cause if you vanish garrote during DM you’ll overwr...
But you waste a tick if you have a non imp garr running and DM before you reapply
gusty mirage
But you waste a tick if you have a non imp garr running and DM before you reappl...
Imma waste my PTO to fly to Germany and kiss you on the mouth buddy
grim jay
Imma waste my PTO to fly to Germany and kiss you on the mouth buddy
Im kinda shocked youd call that waste
gusty mirage
oh during? like last 3 sec in kingsbane or thats obsolete?
Ideally you refresh it with an imp gar before, but sometimes we brain fart (at least I do)
brisk plank
Ideally you refresh it with an imp gar before, but sometimes we brain fart (at l...
fair, so ill just remember to do it before my cd sequence. cheers bud
still sable
!design
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay. No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better. An additional 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
real solar
@gusty mirage
wide ferry
After we go through our kingsbane rotation how often are we shooting for max combo points to consume mark?
grim jay
After we go through our kingsbane rotation how often are we shooting for max com...
You dont consume mark with max Cp
You only apply the marks with max cp if DN is up
wide ferry
oop my bad lol
grim jay
Happens to the best
red tinsel
That's kinda of what puts me off from Assa ATM. Feels a bit counter intuitive
red tinsel
My peak fantasy is throwing coins around like a Diablo loot goblin
red tinsel
I'm playing Outlaw Trickster purely out of spite
sharp trellis
Noice
still sable
Just curious how did the rogue design change from constantly pressing buttons with having a limitless supply of energy and having a nice flow to having to wait for energy to pool? Was the apm too much for the general public?
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Hi cutie
gusty mirage
ily more
spice surge
Just curious how did the rogue design change from constantly pressing buttons wi...
Not sure what you mean
dark token
Just curious how did the rogue design change from constantly pressing buttons wi...
It didnt
spice surge
Both assa and sub have historically almost always had to wait and pool
red tinsel
Just curious how did the rogue design change from constantly pressing buttons wi...
Some expansions were released after Classic
queen egret
On beta when i rup rup garrote, i instantly was refunded my CP to rup again, why dont i get refunded those cp on lvie?
red tinsel
I think we were even slower on classic, but nothing lived long anyway
still sable
Maybe it's me because I played during start of dragonflight untill the end of season 2 mainly playing subtlety and assassin on the side but for some reason the rotations felt way more smooth
dapper cradle
Just curious how did the rogue design change from constantly pressing buttons wi...
Outlaw still plays like this
open venture
i am struggling with assa because of my outlaw brain
red tinsel
Maybe it's me because I played during start of dragonflight untill the end of se...
Honestly, I think it was around Exsang redesign
I want to play Assa as Outlaw, but Blizz says "no"
still sable
I played the dance macabre subtlety build most of the time but that was kinda buttery.. so I guess tis normal to have to wait a few seconds between burst windows now?
I dont think I ever played exsanguinate
shy dust
Stop talking exsang into existence
Amazing ability
haughty flicker
grim jay
I played the dance macabre subtlety build most of the time but that was kinda bu...
S1 and S2 sub was out of the norm and rather spamy
grim jay
Amazing ability
Legion exsang was peak (watch seli appear to hate on it)
still sable
Well iam a seasonal player so happen to have longer amounts of time between wow addictions. But thanks davyn for confirming
I'll have to get used to the other playstyle but I was afraid I was playing it wrong
craggy cedar
Anyone have a link to the rotation as it's shaping up to date? The whole king bane, when to use mark and shiv thing is getting more complicated than Arcane mage in Dragonflight.
Better yet I've seen the diagrams for the rotations , but looking for more detailed explanation.
still sable
Sorry BTW for my mostly subtlety focused rant in the assassination channel 😅
nova aspen
i can't see this because of my work router blocking wowhead lmao
did they fix anything in deathstalker?
vestal wren
nova aspen
vestal wren
they fixed subtelty amps not working, but we knew that already
nova aspen
ah ok
still sable
Fuu weren't you the one giving tips to the blizzard team about its development?
rose narwhal
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rose narwhal
Are there any Sin sims around
still sable
Can you suggest the rogue team to make a tanking spec for rogue so I never have to switch my alts
vestal wren
Are there any Sin sims around
still running them, but sin is about on par with sub on st it seems
rose narwhal
ok thanks!
vestal wren
Fuu weren't you the one giving tips to the blizzard team about its development?
realz was in the server, so anyone who participated in conversations with him dirctly or indirectly impacted decisions.
We have no direct link to devs, and even if we suggest things its blizz decision if they agree or disagree on feedback
still sable
Well still I think if you are having some power to pull the right strings over at blizzard give them a wink and whisper rogue tank
They know what to do
vestal wren
Well still I think if you are having some power to pull the right strings over a...
season of discovery?
or how the classic thing was called
still sable
There is one class and it is rogue.. so obviously it should be able to do all roles if you ask me
still sable
Hahaha
storm forum
Temporary tattoo support when
grim jay
Fencers arent tanks
haughty flicker
no reason they cant be
storm forum
They can be if you put enough temporary tattoos on them
haughty flicker
slap people with a glove as a taunt
still sable
Rogue tank is as cursed as a demon hunter support spec with a portable tattoo st...
Should I think of this as the demon hunter having a walk in day and blessing you with the sigil of choice in the form of a tattoo in a badly chosen area on your speckles bodies
torn current
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dire sparrow
is nightstalker still a thin foir kingsbane?
royal lantern
nightstalker literally doesnt exist anymore
wide ferry
So for DS we want to keep energy under 50%? Or am i reading that wrong. Since we want to spam envenoms?
royal lantern
you want to keep the envenom buff running all the time
strange python
it assassination better than outlaw?
royal lantern
if you go above 50% energy, you start going more spammy, if you go bellow 50% you go more into envenom maintenance
grim jay
it assassination better than outlaw?
By definition
It is
Numberswise, noone knows yet
strange python
ahh lame
royal lantern
it assassination better than outlaw?
that is a really weird and kinda stupid question?
strange python
that is a really weird and kinda stupid question?
and whys that
what makes this a stupid question
royal lantern
what is better supposed to mean lol
wide ferry
IMO outlaw is awful without Acro
strange python
which does more damage in both mythic+ and raiding
grim jay
that still showed when to vanish
You vanish before you DM now to reapply imp garrote
royal lantern
gameplay? thats a subjective opinion
numbers? the raid tuning happens when the raid is out lol
strange python
ok, well i thought my question was implied with the info we have now from beta
grim jay
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grim jay
ok, well i thought my question was implied with the info we have now from beta
The beta info regarding that is mostly irrelevant
As its outdated on top of being not relevant in the first place as its beta
strange python
Ok so the most up to date info is outdated now
wet briar
tuning always happen after raid release
grim jay
Ok so the most up to date info is outdated now
Basically
strange python
like i dont care about the future
if it changes
so will I
i can always change specs
grim jay
Think fuu said sin and sub are about equal on ST sims rn if that helps you in your decisionmaking
tropic cedar
it assassination better than outlaw?
what people mean is that if you are in a position where you are asking this question, you are always better off just playing what you enjoy
royal lantern
^
strange python
i dont have a favorite
spice surge
Comparing sims if often not the greatest idea, and there has been a decent chunk of balancing since the last raid testing
So theres not much data to base anything of
short sedge
The better specs are the ones who don't have to play fatebound
spice surge
And obviously the fact that theyre gonna continue changing things even after the raid is released
strange python
I just want to do damage. Specfically more than hunters.
spice surge
Mid
strange python
i played outlaw in dragonflight, switched to assassination after watching a ton of videos. Seems like its the best out of the 3 specs (with the info we have now and can always be changed)
nova aspen
bleeds and poisons are pretty satisfying
i just hate that everything currently dies in 3 seconds
languid gate
Isn't there a 590 dagger that people can craft? 😄 I'm tired of going heroics for a weapon
spice surge
There is
spice surge
Yes
spice surge
LFR crests and then blue dagger
spice surge
when do we get the first spark?
nova aspen
i got a 571 dagger from a rarespawn by accident, and another from i think the water event in isle of dorn
upgraded them both to 584
since they were same track as heroic
rotund oak
when do we get the first spark?
week 1 of the season normally
lethal lintel
i got a 571 dagger from a rarespawn by accident, and another from i think the wa...
isnt it a waste upgrading gear now?
nova aspen
isnt it a waste upgrading gear now?
not really
haughty flicker
the lfr crests are next to useless anyway
abstract linden
U can upgrade to 480 with just flightstones
abstract linden
If your that worried about crests
haughty flicker
there are like super optimal ways to use them if you are absolutely min/maxxing
spice surge
U can upgrade to 480 with just flightstones
Aschually its valorstones
rotund oak
U can upgrade to 480 with just flightstones
580,and its explorer gear,u can upgrade up to adventurer gear now
dark token
Just craft the crests instead of upgrading
nova aspen
if u would instead overcap on valorstones its no harm, and the crests are useless
dark token
It's more crest efficient and costs 0 valorstones
abstract linden
<a:peeponerd:883475815118045244> Aschually its valorstones
Fair haha
haughty flicker
valor back pog
lethal lintel
not really
is it worth crafting 2 one hand weapons now?
dark token
Yes if you can afford gold cost
I would only craft one
In case you get a veteran 1h from weekly content
nova aspen
is it worth crafting 2 one hand weapons now?
i wouldn't
there are quite a few ways to get adventure track daggers now
and u get like 30 valorstones per heroic so if u dont mind some farming its worth upgrading them
abstract linden
What's the best spot to farm them because my luck in dungeons has been god awful 
abstract linden
nova aspen
dungeons, weekly events, world quest, rare spawn
grim jay
Can also just buy a dagger on the AH
So you have something until you get one on the higher track
static shore
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lethal lintel
you need 30 of thoseblue ones to get a purple one from craftables
indigo mulch
Wait why is SD hitting so damn hard now? O_o;
spice surge
where do you get weathered harbinger crest?
indigo mulch
My gear is trash its still hitting for 2.2mil
lethal lintel
outdoor activities are world quests? are there other activities?
spice surge
So SD does more
spice surge
outdoor activities are world quests? are there other activities?
HC dungeons are one
indigo mulch
Fair.
spice surge
But theyre capped at 90 per week like other crests
spring cradle
What SD ?
lethal lintel
HC dungeons are one
oh you can get them from there too?
haughty flicker
flying through the azerite orbs in the air gives them
spice surge
Theres renown and stuff that give rewards outside the cap
lethal lintel
does not say on the description tho
grim jay
My gear is trash its still hitting for 2.2mil
2.2 might be a target with DM aswell, could deal more than 2m in s4 already
spice surge
does not say on the description tho
It says heroic dungeons though
dense cove
are there ideal items to craft?
slate crown
I can't use DM on trash
Yeah there's no point in heroics
lethal lintel
It says heroic dungeons though
damn my bad
slate crown
Just how it's going to be until we get harder content
indigo mulch
Yeah, i'm looking forawrd to playing hybrid instead of full bleed 😭
wide ferry
Yeah there's no point in heroics
Whys that? I was all pumped to be able to get more than one bleed off before shit dies lol
indigo mulch
It feels a bit meh playing full bleed on ST.
slate crown
Whys that? I was all pumped to be able to get more than one bleed off before shi...
because health pools are so low
that's it
indigo mulch
It was great leveling as full bleed to be fair
just go from mob to mob and dot them then they pop from SD.
I'm just not sure how viable full bleed will be once we start hitting +12 keys
wide ferry
So world quests, rares, and renowns are what everyones gearin up with? I wish theyd just release m+ and raid already facckk i need tier lol
indigo mulch
Cause you still need some form of ST D;
calm tendon
So world quests, rares, and renowns are what everyones gearin up with? I wish th...
Wow is always time gated.. 😦
wide ferry
😦
indigo mulch
I guess it depends on comp but hybrid just seams like the better choice lol. I dunno D;
wide ferry
Gives me time to level alts i guess. Everytime i level an alt i realize why i play rogue lol
calm tendon
Idle afk in stealth? 😉
indigo mulch
I got arcane up to 80 as well, but damn its not nearly as fun 😦
indigo mulch
grim jay
I got arcane up to 80 as well, but damn its not nearly as fun 😦
Whaaaaat
Arcane is hella fun
indigo mulch
I just prefer rogue.
wide ferry
dungeon spam is stupid fast
indigo mulch
I like dot managment to much i guess. :S
dapper cradle
the blindside ambush doesn't apply marks, right?
spice surge
It does not, as you are not in stealth
dapper cradle
omega lame
indigo mulch
I honestly thinking about doing fatebound for HC dungeons to be fair. Its such a hassle dealing with the mark lmao
Then i can be lazy
lucid meteor
Anyone check which renown’s assa would want to farm for first?
spice surge
Doesnt really matter
grim jay
omega lame
It would be if it did because it would interfere with the capstone
dense cove
think it's worth upgrading to 593?
indigo mulch
Anyone check which renown’s assa would want to farm for first?
Just go for ilvl
You will replace 90% of it in a week anyway
grim jay
Anyone check which renown’s assa would want to farm for first?
None if you dont like farming renown
Its pretty trivial
dapper cradle
It would be if it did because it would interfere with the capstone
i apologize, I wasn't aware
haughty flicker
all of it?
the arathi sets are great
mail and plate more than leather tbf
but the leather still has really nice pieces
dapper cradle
bros i wonder what xalatath's robe smells like
haughty flicker
go away
indigo mulch
bros i wonder what xalatath's robe smells like
long gazelle
Do we have any sims yet?
indigo mulch
Its time for
Feet pics?
final star
pure moth
So world quests, rares, and renowns are what everyones gearin up with? I wish th...
and heroic dungeons
strange python
I'm just not sure how viable full bleed will be once we start hitting +12 keys
go hybrid
grim jay
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-socks-gross-disgusting-foot-gif-666244797286782...
Thats pretty disgusting even if its a cartoon
stone minnow
any1 have a WA for seeing combo points in numbers?
grim jay
steady glen
how are the variance between all 3 specs looking?
grim jay
Ginormous
royal lantern
bros i wonder what xalatath's robe smells like
probably like a 7year old corpse, cus thats what that body is
grim jay
probably like a 7year old corpse, cus thats what that body is
Based
waxen oyster
So world quests, rares, and renowns are what everyones gearin up with? I wish th...
You do realize the tier bonus is insanely boring right?
Like it adds nothing to gameplay its just a numerical gain.
dapper cradle
probably like a 7year old corpse, cus thats what that body is
do we really FoK on ST here?
glass spade
Right now at any given moment my plater profile can have 10-15 debuffs above an enemies head and it makes it difficult to manage my ruptures and garrotes etc.. is there any plater profile you guys like/prefer or did you customize yours to remove a lot of the unnecessary debuffs??
pure moth
do we really FoK on ST here?
yes
grim jay
Right now at any given moment my plater profile can have 10-15 debuffs above an ...
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waxen oyster
Remove mutilated flesh
royal lantern
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i mean, thats literally a fact mate 
waxen oyster
and deadly/amp poison track
safe totem
bros i wonder what xalatath's robe smells like
ball sweat
glass spade
I think I’m using whispyr’s so I may need to edit it a little
glass spade
Hmmmm
indigo mulch
I'm just waiting for him to update plater with quazi's color scheme.
glass spade
Will check again after work thank you!
queen egret
On beta when i rup rup garrote, i instantly was refunded my CP to rup again, why dont i get refunded those cp on live?
stiff current
they come from a combo of serrated bone spike + indiscriminate carnage
royal lantern
it does
final star
they really really need to make deathstalker work with ER
royal lantern
they really really need to make deathstalker work with ER
better idea
nuke deathstalker and go back to the drawing board
final star
yeah that's the obvious
final star
but gotta at least make what there is functional
royal lantern
So whats the thing with hybrid and it getting suggested more and more?
it tends to be somewhat better when you do content where adds dont die in 0.3seconds
hexed matrix
ok i have a feelycraft question. i know these are everyones favorites. i am really struggling with picking any other race besides nelf. meld, even if only useful 1-3 times in a dungeon for a restealth, seems worth it to me. even if just for the "ah yea i got rupture out a little faster there" feelings. is anyone else stuck in this boat? not being horde is making queues with friends impossible, and i think ive lost hope they'll ever fix that.
fair stirrup
You vanish before you DM now to reapply imp garrote
Are you saying you’re vanishing right before DM in your opener, even though you already have imp garrote rolling?
novel storm
it tends to be somewhat better when you do content where adds dont die in 0.3sec...
Is there explanation somewhere in the guide that explains difference in playstyle?
final star
playstyle is the same
limber lion
ok i have a feelycraft question. i know these are everyones favorites. i am real...
What is the question?
tall jay
ok i have a feelycraft question. i know these are everyones favorites. i am real...
I am dwarf lol
limber lion
Literally you do you bro
novel storm
playstyle is the same
Whats diff in rotation?
hexed matrix
What is the question?
do you feel stuck playing nelf for meld, or have you matured more than i have lol.
limber lion
I have never played nelf on my rogue and never will
hexed matrix
thats impressive.
novel storm
there isn't
Ah nice, thought is have to relearn everything
limber lion
I couldn't care less about meld
waxen oyster
That's it really
hexed matrix
i am having a real hard time convincing myself it doesnt matter
thorn grotto
what is the best current enchant for weapon?
limber lion
I get restealth every time I want it
hexed matrix
lmao
limber lion
I don't need meld for it
waxen oyster
void elf looks better than belf
shy pecan
I haven’t felt the need to play with meld either. Don’t get a chance to restealth? Vanish. Still can’t? Whatever. Just start rupturing.
waxen oyster
more hair options
haughty flicker
velf hair options are garbage
and cant have gold eyes
important for my transmog
craggy cedar
@waxen oyster Goblin FTW
limber lion
To me Belf has always been superior
Old Arcane Torrent was giga bis
And after they changed it, now it's as shit as every other race
waxen oyster
off gcd torrent was S tier
limber lion
Thus whatever
royal lantern
ok i have a feelycraft question. i know these are everyones favorites. i am real...
vulpera cus cute + flips + camp + good animations + i make cringe neckbeards angry by existing while also doing more dmg then all of them
thorn grotto
what is the currently best enchant for weapon for assa?
waxen oyster
depths
dapper cradle
double depths?
cyan dew
Guys with DS, should I open with ambush > garrote > rup and change targets or just garrote and rup the same one for DS procs if I have like a ton of mobs on the screen?
dapper cradle
is that better with the current ER bug?
lunar pond
well Depths is unattainble until raid
Pre-raid my guess is one of the stat only ones (not Vers) or the Primary/Radiance Damage proc one. But that is pretty much all of them but 3, so useless information
royal lantern
is that better with the current ER bug?
no
literally not taking points is argurably better then 2nd vanish
feral mason
Is it really still better to shiv after deathmark with 1 shiv charge? Feels odd to not have the amped part of kingsbane increased instead
(aoe)
gentle crown
Does anyone know of a platter mod that can remove some of our less important dots from targets?
i feel like have 10+ dots/effects is cluttering my screen
feral mason
Does anyone know of a platter mod that can remove some of our *less* important d...
just blacklist all effects and then whitelist the ones you want by hand
gentle crown
just blacklist all effects and then whitelist the ones you want by hand
good advice. I'll try that
feral mason
requires a bit of work but ends up being a lot more beneficial for other classes aswell since you dont have to deal with clutter ever again
feral mason
good advice. I'll try that
said it wrong actually, you click the manual option under buff tracking
and then add them
not blacklisting by hand since that'd take more time
humble viper
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strange python
Why do I feel like fatebound is more fun in m+ then deathstalker ? :S
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frozen raptor
Why do I feel like fatebound is more fun in m+ then deathstalker ? :S
I dont think its that its more fun, its just more turn your brain off than ds
fallow bobcat
I plan to play rogue as alt and how enjoyable is it?
gentle crown
When they take over, remember that 😛
severe sparrow
You're asking in a server full of rogue mains
gentle crown
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frozen raptor
I plan to play rogue as alt and how enjoyable is it?
fallow bobcat
I leveled up assasin some last night - things just die too fast so hard to see whats happening lmfao
gentle crown
sudden demise is awesome
normal mist
yes
frozen raptor
this is true, you wont see its full potential till m+/raid
frozen raptor
give it like a day playing heroics and itll be drilled in
wide ferry
Once you get it down its butter
cold parcel
I plan to play rogue as alt and how enjoyable is it?
trash compared to outlaw or sub
plain onyx
maybe i'm doing the rotation totally wrong or it's kinda easy now
fallow bobcat
Yeahhhh
cold parcel
or you will miss double vanish
im thinking about specing into double vanish considering how bugged ER is
cyan dew
uys with DS, should I open with ambush > garrote > rup and change targets or just garrote and rup the same one for DS procs if I have like a ton of mobs on the screen?
knotty rose
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sullen hollow
yo, one more time, what enchants are people running rn
feral mason
df ones
sullen hollow
on weps
frozen raptor
yeah if you are doing DS, then i think double vanish right now is the play, but im no 1%'er
its just a pref since ER is bugged with DS
wide ferry
id wait honestly
severe sparrow
I still gotta find a way i don't hate to track dots on my plater
sullen hollow
i have millions, i just want enchants lol
wide ferry
oh shit he RICH RICH
sullen hollow
im not buying r3 anyway
fallow bobcat
frozen raptor
thats me, when someoen is aoe farming and roll up and throw out my opener and then stand back and watch
lunar pond
im not buying r3 anyway
stat one (not versatility) or the primary stat/radiance damage proc. The latter is generally 6-10x the cost of the former
sullen hollow
yeah i bought radiant for mh and storm for oh
lunar pond
running haste currently, just one stars to have something on blues
sullen hollow
see what kind of damage they do
mhmm
I think storms is good for dungeons
but who knows
lone fjord
do we already know the BiS craftable ?
arctic tusk
is it bad min max to macro cold blood in to envenom or does it literally not matter
frozen raptor
thats where mine is
amber stream
Is there a pre-season bis list?
odd flare
amber stream
Thanks!
shy pecan
Pretty sure Whispyr will tell you that "BIS list" is just whatever he saw and threw together in like a minute
because of what Royal said in that you should be simming
limber lion
Well just takes the highest simming build and slaps those on the list
With some variance for stuff like trinkets
slate crown
it's sim vomit
limber lion
But everyone's bis is different
amber stream
I agree simming is the best way, but it is pre-season, I do not want to keep on simming every single piece that drops, if there is a benchmark, I would just follow that, or spam whatever drops it
slate crown
If you just want a shortcut, it really is just "is the ilvl number higher than my previous"
for now
shy pecan
I mean, the easiest way to approach that is just equip the highest ilvl piece you get. And when you have them all, then sim.
slate crown
for things of equal ilvl, you can sim, or just say "it doesn't matter right now" because it doesn't really.
or just follow these heuristics
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
waxen oyster
gotta get that week 1 normal parse
limber lion
I agree simming is the best way, but it is pre-season, I do not want to keep on ...
The game already has that
It's called ilvl
limber lion
No it hasn't
subtle tundra
I'd understand maybe try harding ilvl if there wasn't a hc week, but as it stands it's all meaningless
limber lion
This shit hasn't changed in 10 years
slate crown
It's ok, I understand the impulse
you have a decision as to what stats you pick on your gear
waxen oyster
I never understood the bis fixation
waxen oyster
it hasnt been relevant in 10 years
limber lion
People are fixated on bis and stats all the time
slate crown
why else make decisions about gear
limber lion
When it literally does not work like that
slate crown
but the reality is that it just doesn't make a difference
waxen oyster
so you *want* that decision to be meaningful
Or just ask raidbots
limber lion
What did they introduce in Shadowlands that made stats less relevant?
shy pecan
shy pecan
The latter
indigo mulch
Stat dr.
subtle tundra
What did they introduce in Shadowlands that made stats less relevant?
Titanforges
limber lion
Stat Diminishing Returns indeed
waxen oyster
too bad cant do that irl
indigo mulch
ask chatGPT!
limber lion
But yes primary stat being good also plays a big part
cyan dew
Guys with DS, should I open with ambush > garrote > rup and change targets or just garrote and rup the same one for DS procs if I have like a ton of mobs on the screen?
indigo mulch
Man i love this trinket, is it good? prob not but its fun watching that cart just randomly ramming shit.
limber lion
What else have they introduced in particular to our spec that makes stacking stuff like haste worthless?
And where we don't have breakpoints
iron valve
Guys with DS, should I open with ambush > garrote > rup and change targets or ju...
ideally, you would continue to target the mark target and multidot with a mouseover macro
oh I misunderstood, I don't know if you keep rupturing the same target during IC for DM procs... probably yes?
limber lion
Or rather, what mechanic makes it so there are no haste breakpoints for our dots?
cyan dew
ideally, you would continue to target the mark target and multidot with a mouseo...
If i'm starting to learning, do you think is it best to keep garroting the same target and when I'm starting to get comfortable I start using mouseover?
fallow estuary
any good trinkets / special items in hc dungeons?
limber lion
No one?
indigo mulch
The game has shifted towards a more continuous scaling model rather than one based on breakpoints. In earlier expansions, certain percentages of Haste would directly increase the number of ticks on a DoT or significantly lower the GCD. For example, reaching a specific Haste value might allow a DoT to tick one extra time within its duration, which could lead to noticeable bursts in DPS. This made reaching these "breakpoints" highly desirable.
limber lion
If i'm starting to learning, do you think is it best to keep garroting the same ...
Mouseover does not matter, it is prefetence. Tabbing to spread more bleeds is worth it at specific target counts like 6 and 8+
shy pecan
No one?
I don't know what it's called but sends the rest of the "haste" at the end of the dot
limber lion
The game has shifted towards a more continuous scaling model rather than one bas...
Yes but what is the mechanic behind the ticks no longer benefitting from haste breakpoints?
cyan dew
Mouseover does not matter, it is prefetence. Tabbing to spread more bleeds is wo...
tyvm]
uneven plume
I think there’s a plater UI (or customize yourself) where prio target is a larger name plate with a different color
limber lion
They're called partial ticks.
shy pecan
Yeah, that
uneven plume
So you can just tab target and never lose your prio target in the mish mosh of ads
indigo mulch
Yes but what is the mechanic behind the ticks no longer benefitting from haste b...
Instead of damage-over-time (DoT) effects like poisons and bleeds having specific breakpoints where they would gain an additional tick at a certain Haste percentage, the game now dynamically adjusts DoT tick rates. This means that rather than adding whole ticks at specific points, the ticks themselves become more frequent, and their damage is proportionally scaled.
waxen oyster
The game has shifted towards a more continuous scaling model rather than one bas...
Could have sworn breakpoints died several expacs ago
limber lion
Instead of damage-over-time (DoT) effects like poisons and bleeds having specifi...
But dynamic tick rates have been in the game. I'm specifically talking about partial ticks.
cyan dew
Mouseover does not matter, it is prefetence. Tabbing to spread more bleeds is wo...
Is there a time when I should stop spreading rup/garrote? Like a rly big pull, etc.
uneven plume
When you have 20 stacks of agility buff
limber lion
Is there a time when I should stop spreading rup/garrote? Like a rly big pull, e...
With IC and Improved Garrote you Garrote and Rupture everything
Without them, you stop garroting and only keep reapplying Rupture for Scent stacks/energy
south lava
is ER still bugged?
limber lion
Yes
prisma monolithBOT
Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
indigo mulch
But dynamic tick rates have been in the game. I'm specifically talking about par...
I'm honestly not not sure to be fair. I know that they replaced haste breakpoints with partial ticks and dynamic tick rate scaling.
Just so you wouldnt have to gear to x% of hate to achieve x amount of ticks
jolly lion
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
cyan dew
Without them, you stop garroting and only keep reapplying Rupture for Scent stac...
ohhh, spreading only if I have IG? Ok, Scent stops at 5 targets, right?
fiery harbor
Hey, got a question, what is the proper rotation for aoe in dungeons and stuff? how should i approach those huge pulls when there is 7+ mobs?
indigo mulch
Bleed as much as you can then start pumping envenoms into the prio target.
Thats generally what i do lmao
fiery harbor
What i was doing was spamming fan of knives and rupture every mob i can but dunno if thats correct
indigo mulch
I mean in HC nothing survives long enough to do that.
slate crown
That's basically right right now
just apply bleeds
right now that's all you can do
get stealth when you can
indigo mulch
Just use IC to apply bleeds then find a target with a lot of health and sink envenoms into that.
slate crown
to spread garrote
indigo mulch
At the moment nothing survives long enough for an entire rupture to finish.
slate crown
things die too fast to have intricate thoughts about priority targets and such imo
just bleed and vibe
shiv if you want if you're playing ap
indigo mulch
Yeop
hard widget
feels bad sometimes when you aren't able to stealth again before the next pull and forced to manually tab target bleed
indigo mulch
I mean just use vanish.
grim jay
what did I do to deserve opening the channel and read "stat dr"
hard widget
yes they be doin that
indigo mulch
lmao
hard widget
xD
indigo mulch
I mean i don't even think its such a massive issue not getting restealthed at this point 😒
everything just dies anyway
spice spire
Yeah you’re just spreading stuff
grim jay
I mean i don't even think its such a massive issue not getting restealthed at th...
it in general isnt an issue
hard widget
haha feels bad but you're still doing good damage. just a lot of tab targeting 😄
indigo mulch
Yeah, they should rename it to Tabical+
indigo mulch
I wish there was an addon that would target things near you without bleeds so you can just mindlessly tab rupture/garrote
uneven plume
How can I gain renown level 8 for deeps in the shortest amount of time without putting any effort in -.-
grim jay
How can I gain renown level 8 for deeps in the shortest amount of time without p...
you cant
hint: you dont need to either
spice spire
no matter how much I tab, you'll always be my focus
Bit fruity innit
hard widget
doing the quest in the deeps is what I did'
uneven plume
Still have 2pc atm and no helm
spice spire
I’d never go to the deep (he fucks octopus)
devout fiber
Is deathstalker better or Fate?
grim jay
Bit fruity innit
what can I do, oxi isnt here as frequently anymore
devout fiber
is one better for Mythic Content or smth
grim jay
spice spire
Stalker for both
spice spire
what can I do, oxi isnt here as frequently anymore
He’s a married man
shy dust
How can I gain renown level 8 for deeps in the shortest amount of time without p...
Wait a few weeks and you’ll get there
indigo mulch
If wifey say no, you listen. :C
novel storm
Is consuming er marked combo points not counting as max to proc capstone?
indigo mulch
Even if you think you win and you are in the rights, you're still wrong and your wife is right. Years of marriage have thought me a thing or two.
😦
dark token
How can I gain renown level 8 for deeps in the shortest amount of time without p...
Do sojourner of the deeps (all sidequests) and the weekly dungeon quest
Should put u at renown 8
Only took me like 2 hrs for the sidequests
indigo mulch
Do sojourner of the deeps (all sidequests) and the weekly dungeon quest
That's a lot of effort :X
dark token
You can even do it on a alt you are lvling
uneven plume
and the chest is from hallowfall right
the spider place doesnt give any armor pieces right?
only the trinket from renown
and that trinket is not good for sin
heavy sentinel
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past forum
I mean like none of these pieces are good for anything. It’ll all get replaced immediately once real content launches
waxen oyster
feels bad sometimes when you aren't able to stealth again before the next pull a...
Oh no you have to play sin on aoe like you had to before IC was made a thing.
Let me play the world’s smallest violin.
uneven plume
yah but going into M+ wouldnt the gear we are grinding now be BiS at that moment?
like renown gear etc etc
not too sure on the schedule
ahh 9/10 m0 opens
waxen oyster
For 2 hours into keys
uneven plume
torturing myself
shy dust
yah but going into M+ wouldnt the gear we are grinding now be BiS at that moment...
You replace this gear near instantly
onyx quiver
is it good to craft 2 590 daggers right away?
shy dust
Most of the higher end players don’t care about doing that
Don’t subject yourself to things you don’t want to do
uneven plume
Are you calling me a higher end player 🥲
spice spire
No he’s saying it’s a dumb thing to because it’s not worth the time you’re gonna put into it
uneven plume
lmaoo i know
devout jasper
just a quick question in the assa sims, ai using fan of knives in st, why?
waxen oyster
That 0.1% dps got me bricked up.
waxen oyster
just a quick question in the assa sims, ai using fan of knives in st, why?
Read the hero talents
placid adder
It’s more about the stamina increase
waxen oyster
It’s more about the stamina increase
Which doesnt matter
placid adder
So you aren’t flooring in m0
devout jasper
Read the hero talents
is it about clear the witnesess?
waxen oyster
yes
devout jasper
okey ty
waxen oyster
So you aren’t flooring in m0
you wont be
placid adder
Which doesnt matter
To eachs own
waxen oyster
if you think 13 ilvls on one item matters
when you’re standing in shit
priorities mixed up
urban heart
someone has a qeue problem for the hc on silvermoon?
waxen oyster
Ok yes the general population sucks
thats from standing in bad
no amount of gear will fix a brain problem
desert cove
novel storm
Is consuming er marked combo points not counting as max to proc capstone?
Can anyone please answer this if its a bug or intended?
cerulean nest
Can anyone please answer this if its a bug or intended?
bug
orchid cedar
are we supposed to get smoked by most classes in fast big pulls?
chilly mist
Best embellish for the 593 dagger?
knotty canopy
Is the best high m+ assa race nelf or dwarf?
onyx quiver
is it good to craft 2 590 daggers right away?
anyone?
spice surge
No need for 2
shy pecan
are we supposed to get smoked by most classes in fast big pulls?
Depends on the comp. But bleeds and sudden demise should do some work if you get them out quick
kindred breach
2nd hand is not that good
eager gazelle
may i ask why? or we can craft 3 now
offhand weapon is a stat stick
kindred breach
Better use on another item
onyx quiver
okay
wow so we can craft 6 items now
wha twoul u guys suggest
1-weapon
and then?
placid adder
If you can afford it craft dagger than whatever
eager gazelle
doesn't really matter, lowest ilvl slots is a good choice
kindred breach
If you did renown you would have 3 veteran prices already
yup just craft them on other slots than those 3
Head shoulder and legs if i'm not mistaking?
violet island
Can I just say that while you can craft items, it's not a huge power gain, you'll replace the items very quickly, and It costs money
void pecan
Some of this folks are billionaires diving into their pools of gold
shy crow
y'all use items 😂
violet island
I know but I would be remiss if I didn't mention it
spice surge
Its costs like 5-10k per item
spice surge
But ye
onyx quiver
If you did renown you would have 3 veteran prices already
just started is this a huge let down i i di not?
placid adder
No
kindred breach
just started is this a huge let down i i di not?
absolutely not
heavy junco
guys what's rog stats priority
kindred breach
Its just min maxing for 1st hm week
placid adder
It’s just if you enjoy playing the game you get it if not you are just bored farming heroics
kindred breach
you'll drop them eventually on M+ or mythic raid
placid adder
Do whatever you want
violet island
Yes, but if you are unlucky you will get the same item slot from delve 8
I'm just trying to lay out all the info
violet island
you'll drop them eventually on M+ or mythic raid
You'll drop them from m0 and Delve on heroic week
Again, if I were playing the game, I would be crafting
But I just feel like people should know that it's not a big deal
placid adder
I mostly grinded the renown for prof stuff the veteran gear was just a bonus
violet island
I got a message yesterday from someone from reading my guide to asked if they should level a new character because they accidentally sent weathered crests on a bad item
People are being a little irrational
haughty flicker
lmao
kindred breach
guys what's rog stats priority
its not recommended to look at secondaries with the stats priority mind, just sim your options
haughty flicker
like that guy in general earlier
onyx quiver
what missives should we use for stat?
placid adder
And if you do craft save you some money and don’t use missives any stats good for sin
At this moment in time
onyx quiver
what missives should we use for stat?
vers crit?
but like best as of the moment
to stack
exotic glen
does anyone have a macro thats basically
if ambush is available, use that
if not, use mutilate
limpid hearth
Crit mastery
kindred breach
Yeah haste/crit/mastery are pretty close
acoustic roost
does anyone have a macro thats basically
if ambush is available, use that
if no...
game does that automatically with blindside
golden plume
does anyone have a macro thats basically
if ambush is available, use that
if no...
already built in to the game
kindred breach
Even vers is good to a certain cap imo
exotic glen
no, because thats only from the proc. not from stealth
acoustic roost
use the same keybind
onyx quiver
Even vers is good to a certain cap imo
if tyou were to pick 2 what would it be
kindred breach
no, because thats only from the proc. not from stealth
don't think its possible with macros but maybe I'm wrong
kindred breach
if tyou were to pick 2 what would it be
I would set aside vers and go for the less that you already have of the 3 mentioned
limpid hearth
Just put ambush on mutilate keybind in stealth
kindred breach
Again you'll probably change it anyway in 3-4 weeks so dont think too much abt it
waxen oyster
how many crests does making 590 crafteds even save
limpid hearth
30
haughty flicker
you're saving 15 weathered crests
it takes 45 to get to 590 upgrading, and 30 by crafting
iron carbon
ah im a fucking mong, i messed up which action bar was my stealth one
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] Mutilate; Ambush
patent void
Just fyi don’t hit vanish on wave 20 on the awakening the machine quest or it will bug out
worldly valve
What's the fastest way to level from 61 if I've missed the prepatch event and can't do the new WW campaign until I'm lvl 70?
haughty flicker
probably dungeon spam
haughty flicker
but questing is probably still fast too, 61-70 is most of where they squished leveling
so its super fast now
worldly valve
Dragonflight quests?
waxen oyster
it takes 45 to get to 590 upgrading, and 30 by crafting
I assume theres no limit on these if non embellished
haughty flicker
probably, i havent had to level anything without prepatch or remix
haughty flicker
I assume theres no limit on these if non embellished
none that i know of yeah
i havent done it yet but probably will this week at some point
unless people try to rob me anyway
flat olive
am i supposed to open with ambush or garrote if im specced into deathstalker?
south nest
ambush otherwise you cant apply the mark without vanish
flat olive
so i save garrote only when i have vanish?
south nest
no ambush and then garrote
flat olive
omg im stupid i thought garrote can only be used from stealth...
boreal lichen
any bis list from hcs for assa ?
merry bison
Any recommendations for gear after playing the campagne? WQ's, rep or sidequests
or even dungeons
onyx linden
Does anyone know if the quest selection for the call of the world soul quest matters?
narrow heart
they didnt fix echoing reprimand today?
waxen oyster
they didnt fix echoing reprimand today?
11.2 maybe
narrow heart
11.2 maybe
orchid cedar
it feels terrible having 3 easy envenoms
and not proc the hero talent stuff with them
misty holly
Doing dungeons last night my offhand time strike bonus effect was still showing about 1% damage single target, and like 0.6% aoe. How much offhand ilevel does it take to be more than that?
Considering how little impact offhand weapon makes, am I going to be using this all expansion? lol
strange python
I’m just trying to figure out the rotation.
rapid prism
do these have any significance in raid/mythic+ or is that open world damage abilities only?
misty holly
I’m just trying to figure out the rotation.
the wowhead guide to assassination is good, it's written by a moderator here.
strange python
Yeah I’ve been looking at it
waxen oyster
It's probably open world stuff.
strange python
I’m doing the open world delve build
nova aspen
Yeah I’ve been looking at it
it looks intimidating at first but its not so bad
strange python
What is the most used talent build right now? Albeit I am still leveling to 80.
strange python
Is the delve build best for leveling?
waxen oyster
I mean bleed is better if things die in less than 2-3 seconds
Which sums up leveling.
vestal crag
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strange python
Is it wise to run a keys build while leveling? lol
nova aspen
its fine
strange python
Id think raid build is better for leveling than a keys build.
nova aspen
i think i did the keys bleed build
fickle hamlet
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nova aspen
depends how u level
if u only approach 1 mob at a time theres no real need for bleed build
naive pier
Hey guys thanks for the good work
waxen oyster
You're not hitting one target for an extended period of time while leveling.
naive pier
could someone give me a tallent for rogue as alot of poepole say different stuff
waxen oyster
could someone give me a tallent for rogue as alot of poepole say different stuff
They're all on the wowhead guide
naive pier
yeah but which one though
waxen oyster
They all get explained
naive pier
thanks man im a noob though hard to decide
wide ferry
Damm that twitch drop mount looks like ass
vestal wren
Damm that twitch drop mount looks like ass
just like the pre patch mounts
waxen oyster
Raid aoe build is almost unnecessary honestly
all it does is swap for spatter on choice node
and i guess sanguine blades vs vicious venoms.
haughty lantern
hello again my sneaky stabby friends
I am once again back with more questions
Question in particular
Do we have any confirmation if multiple rogues in a raid group can stack either mind numbing or atrophic poison?
past forum
was doing the awakening machine weekly. i vanish to reapply imp garrote against the final boss, and he reset and turned neutral and now i'm bricked and have to start over
novel star
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prisma monolithBOT
Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
novel star
ok still bugged 
craggy cedar
And still wayyyy to complicated for a straight DPS class imo.
waxen oyster
And still wayyyy to complicated for a straight DPS class imo.
pure dps class has no impact on complexity
novel star
too complicated?
novel star
was gonna say i might be biased cus ive played sin since my first ever toon
waxen oyster
IC plays multidotting for you.
novel star
but its not that complicated
waxen oyster
spice surge
Theres definitely way more to keep track of than most specs
novel star
sub feels way more unintuitive to me
spice surge
Sin on ST is fine, but on aoe is absolutely not an easy spec
novel star
ye not easy but not like
complex to the point where it has to be changed or something lol
just hit rupture button
waxen oyster
Sin on ST is fine, but on aoe is absolutely not an easy spec
Maybe on longer pulls yes.
spice surge
Not on shorter pulls either
novel star
aoe burst is free as hell with ic now yeah lol
craggy cedar
I don't mind multi dotting , but you can't tell me the rotation right now isn't complicated as compared to let's use hunter, warrior, lock, mage, ele...shall I go on?
haughty lantern
Sin isn't that complicated
coming from a BM hunter main, i can ACTUALLY agree with this. I got the grasp of sin fairly quickly (WITH hekili's help, but point still stands)
keen furnace
what does ic stand for?
waxen oyster
indiscriminate carnage
scenic nacelle
Indiscriminate carnage
novel star
what does ic stand for?
Indiscriminate Carnage
tropic cedar
the part that's unintuitive on sin in AoE is getting the hang of when you should be FoK-ing vs mut-ing
keen furnace
thanks
haughty lantern
ice crown
tropic cedar
takes some getting used to
waxen oyster
Lets you multi garrote/rupture from stealth
spice surge
Ye so you have to
A. Identify which mobs dont have dots on them and spread bleeds to them
B. Identify a big target thats worth using your CDs on
C. If there is no big target identify if its worth using it on a smaller mobs or better to hold
scenic nacelle
I’m too slow
novel star
this one
spice surge
Whereas specs like Ret go in and press their buttons
waxen oyster
the part that's unintuitive on sin in AoE is getting the hang of when you should...
You mut once per 10 in aoe to keep up spatter.
novel star
(spec for little babies)
tropic cedar
You mut once per 10 in aoe to keep up spatter.
are you trying to teach me this or?
cause i know
but its unintuitive for new players to the spec
spice surge
Idk if you think assa in aoe is an easy spec you probably havent played many other specs
waxen oyster
How
novel star
i don't think thats that bad
keen furnace
im currently running left side build for dungs is the bleed build on the right better?
haughty lantern
so I find myself (on longer pulls) starving for energy as i do heroic dungeon ques
am I doing something wrong/missing something to help with energy recoup?
spice surge
Not to mention theres like 5 different builds you can choose from
shy pecan
so I find myself (on longer pulls) starving for energy as i do heroic dungeon qu...
Not keeping up bleeds
spice surge
Depending on what you want to do
waxen oyster
so I find myself (on longer pulls) starving for energy as i do heroic dungeon qu...
Not having up bleeds for venomous wounds.
haughty lantern
Not keeping up bleeds
is that really it? Normally I try to keep improved/garrote, rupture AND crimson tempest up when possible
on big pulls*
orchid cedar
spreading dots while you have a marked target and your tank doesn't let you restealth
waxen oyster
tempest doesnt generate energy on ticks
haughty lantern
i at least know the difference between st and aoe
novel star
is that really it? Normally I try to keep improved/garrote, rupture AND crimson ...
tempest does not affect energy income
orchid cedar
👌
shy pecan
You should have plenty if you have garrote and ruptures up
novel star
only garrote and rupture
haughty lantern
spreading dots while you have a marked target and your tank doesn't let you rest...
THIS is a big problem, too many xug xug tanks keep chain pulling
tropic cedar
How
because a new player is going to want to spam FoK for maximum cps, but it takes a bit to get used to not doing that
shy pecan
And using FOK for the poisons
ocean nexus
Anyone know if the darkmoon decks are any good for assa, if so which one(s)?
haughty lantern
only garrote and rupture
noted, i will try to keep these up....MORE than i already have
orchid cedar
spreading with deathstalker feels bad too
waxen oyster
i mean you do spam fok for cp/poisons on aoe
orchid cedar
it is what it is
haughty lantern
And using FOK for the poisons
ye, I have been doing my damndest to like...spred 6-9 garrotes and ruptures on pull, then spread poisons with FoK and Tempest
runic hinge
THIS is a big problem, too many xug xug tanks keep chain pulling
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
- While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
novel star
you should always have 5 ruptures up for the agi anyway from
waxen oyster
tempest is more for the damage it does on aoe
novel star
and thats like enough bleeds to have ur energy be fine
tropic cedar
i mean you do spam fok for cp/poisons on aoe
i know you know that, im not saying you dont know that. i dont understand why you keep trying to explain how the specs works to me lmao
haughty lantern
you should always have 5 ruptures up for the agi anyway from
waxen oyster
Like I don't know I never found it that complex
haughty lantern
keep garrotes and ruptures up
tropic cedar
and ret
shy pecan
Like I don't know I never found it that complex
Each person is different
novel star
keep garrotes and ruptures up
i mean it sounds dumb cus its the bleed spec but yeah pretty much 
tropic cedar
Like I don't know I never found it that complex
was it your first ever spec? or even your first rogue spec?
waxen oyster
They've simplified spriest on aoe havent they.
shy pecan
Some folks, it takes a while to understand concepts
waxen oyster
was it your first ever spec? or even your first rogue spec?
Windwalker
wod ww
i sure picked something easy to start with
haughty lantern
i mean it sounds dumb cus its the bleed spec but yeah pretty much <:OMEGALUL:558...
should i try to spred garrotes and ruptures even in ST (in the event i can't restealth to get the IC spread)
severe sparrow
ive been an ass girl for many years in raid and dont have enough brain cells to feel good about my ability to use it in aoe 
vs outlaw slapping buttons as they light up
waxen oyster
Like spriest used to have way more complexity in their multidot on aoe maintenance
iirc
spice spire
ive been an ass girl for many years in raid and dont have enough brain cells to ...
Dead to me
worn badger
i swear haste is bugged. i just switched out a 515 piece with a 581 with more haste and haste when down 1%
tropic cedar
Windwalker
i think if you started with rogue or sin you might feel a little bit different about its diff. everyone is a bit different tho
novel star
should i try to spred garrotes and ruptures even in ST (in the event i can't res...
pretty sure you would still rupture everything in cleave yeah
severe sparrow
Dead to me
shhh im gonna give it another try this time around
novel star
not just mass aoe
spice spire
shhh im gonna give it another try this time around
waxen oyster
I mean keeping rupture up has been the core of sin