assassination

[waxen oyster]

Worked fine last night

[lunar oracle]

Won't they kick your ass anyway cuz of the crazy scaling at 70?

[waxen oyster]

That’s what I was thinking

[rough rapids]

is valorstones uncapped but can only old 2000 please?

[waxen oyster]

Like I can lose to a 70 in boost greens in a normal dungeon.

[lunar oracle]

That would be fun to watch though. The party getting trashed by fresh 70s.

[mortal badger]

lmao just happened to me too

clipped through the ship

[dapper cradle]

is the er thing stillbugged

[nimble tartan]

i think this is broken

it didnt proc one time in a dungeon...

[autumn frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dense cove]

wait a minute...did they change heroic gear to adventurer 1 drop now?

[ripe carbon]

ya

[dense cove]

lol wow...alrighty then

[runic hinge]

Maybe the chance is 0

[dense cove]

can anyone confirm if the weekly world quest for rewards are working now? like the theater troupe?

[shy dust]

youre doing your rogue duty by applying

[silver otter]

yeah it's a lot better haha

[arctic walrus]

Is deathstalker a bugged mess or is this a feature

[limber lion]

Bug

[sage tapir]

is assa looking good for m+ ?

[weak isle]

for now yes

[sage tapir]

finally xd

[hoary remnant]

What does looking good mean for you?

[weak isle]

will i top dps

[sage tapir]

😦

[hoary remnant]

Like can you do week ones with it 10 yes you can do that sith any spec

[weak isle]

will i not get removed

[dense cove]

looks like the weekly quests are still not giving rewards. must start tomorrow, just did theater troupe and received nothing

[potent raven]

why do i have only 1 shiv charge

with the deathstalker aoe talents

[grand trail]

Because you take iron wire

[potent raven]

hm

is that the only option i have

[grand trail]

No

Just drop iron wire

[potent raven]

yep

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solid venture]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[languid tide]

is this really good or is the sim trolling? 😛

[errant swallow]

Can anyone link the build our lord and savior is using right now? I don't see it in pins

[errant swallow]

Ty lord

[placid wave]

why does every single pull in the rookery chain lightning me out of stealth

[sullen hollow]

FATEBOUND?

[merry perch]

why only 1 shiv charge? did i miss somthing

iron wire

saw the pin

makes sense

[limber lion]

Lol

[limber lion]

Passive chill vs buggy mess

Take your pick

[runic hinge]

Catch me flipping coins

[gleaming spire]

CB kingsbane?

Or just send it on envenoms

[runic hinge]

Read the talent. You don’t get a choice

[unkempt herald]

!unstealth

!stealth

[shy pecan]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[unkempt herald]

something is unstealthing me in bg that arent in there

[gleaming spire]

Ah the cold blood fatebound talent I see.

[unkempt herald]

im not spec into that either :/

[fathom minnow]

And what we use after cold blood ? 0_o

[runic hinge]

There’s a fatebound talent that makes cold blood only afffect your next two envenoms

[runic hinge]

Bgs are just kinda wack rn. Someone in #pvp might have an idea what tho

[charred snow]

is there a comparison between the specs for s1 of m+? i can't stand sub PvE lol

[hearty coral]

servers off right?

[wide ferry]

been in heroic queue for 15 minutes lol

[haughty flicker]

only 15 minutes

you sweet summer child

[wide ferry]

hahah got used to the 5 min queues

[cursive knoll]

!wa

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[dark token]

wait

is there a socket neck item in wawi

similar to tiered medallion setting in DF?

[spice surge]

For rings too

Yes

But it drops from the raid

[orchid cedar]

i feel i do shit dmg in HC now lol

[spice surge]

Also wawi is unholy

[orchid cedar]

shit dies too fast

[waxen oyster]

isnt hc not out yet

or did it just come

[green magnet]

uhhhhh any1 else caustic spatter not applying to targets?

[orchid cedar]

HC is out

[green magnet]

jk imma go ahead and apply deadly poison

[dark token]

wdym

war within = wawi

[spice surge]

tww

[dark token]

ww = windwalker

[haughty flicker]

wawi

[raven egret]

time to get my twitch drops and throw money at Whispyr for his service 🫡

[shy pecan]

tewawi

[haughty flicker]

i have no money to throw but i am watching him hearthstone anyway

[dark token]

nice rogue streamer

[raven egret]

Rogue PoV is bis PoV

[runic hinge]

Gift me a sub

[dark token]

hes not even playing rogue

[raven egret]

Rogue in his heart

[runic hinge]

Daggers are like all normalized

Attack speed doesn’t really work that way in retail

[solid hemlock]

yup, all daggers are 1.80

[balmy condor]

except the embellish dagger

which is 2.6 for some reason

and really bad because of it

[raven egret]

Cool I wasn't insane when I read it

[runic hinge]

If it was 1.8 would it be good

[balmy condor]

probably be okay at least

[daring hamlet]

sudden demise goes dummy in heroics 😂

[drifting lily]

loving a52 being the only realm offline rn

[balmy condor]

you fok and ct on 3 or more targets

[hearty coral]

man how come area is the only server off

wtf

[runic hinge]

Shutdown by the govt finally

[haughty flicker]

they got us

im in loading screen though so maybe saved

[drifting lily]

"character not found" is crazy

[abstract parrot]

@balmy condor thank you for that guide on youtube btw, pretty detailed explanation

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[austere lintel]

are the darkmoon 571 trinkets any good over 528 ashes?

[cold parcel]

oh did he make a new vid recently?

I was looking for it and I couldnt find it

[nimble tartan]

does this mean maintain ct bleed or spam ct instead of splatterinn

[balmy condor]

never spam CT

that's troll

[nimble tartan]

ok ty

i was doin that earlier

[balmy condor]

omar

[grim oasis]

SAME

it was nice

two buttons felt good :^)

[nimble tartan]

i saw the little dudes with like low health bro

like 20 of em

[balmy condor]

why are we spamming a bleed like it does instant damage

guys

[nimble tartan]

i thought it did man

i gotta read the abilities

[ember mural]

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[nimble tartan]

#knowlegegained

ty guys

[shy pecan]

#speelingneedswork

[nimble tartan]

every day I grow because u tend to the garden of my mind

again another watering ty

[grim oasis]

so yall just tab and apply Rupture to every mob you can if you can't open from stealth?

[dapper cradle]

Yeh

[grim oasis]

damn I already miss ret

[dapper cradle]

I mean, in real keys you’re not gonna be doing the omega giga pulls people are doing in heroics right now

[chrome mirage]

Are any of the darkmoon decks worth buying if they are cheap?

[grim oasis]

wait am I supposed to be opening from stealth with ambush for death stalker marks? then Garrote for the Improve Garrote?

[dapper cradle]

Yah

[grim oasis]

okay so i need to go just read all the talents lmao whoops

[vapid terrace]

!wa

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[grim oasis]

okay so I was doing the AoE bit correct minus not reading CT was just a pure dot, in ST its ambush got it

is there ever a point to swap to fatebound or is it Deathstaker all the time?

[normal tartan]

hey guys went to the FAQ and to wowhead and just wanted to confirm that deathstalker is looking like better option for M+?

[cunning needle]

yeah but check agian tomorrow after tuning

and then next week

and then the week after

[normal tartan]

lol okay thanks

[fallen onyx]

does anyone knows a BS that can craft a 590 dagger?

[daring hamlet]

how long does mark last if you're not in combat?

[cyan summit]

is this heroic dagger worth upgrading or save for next week ?

because im capped on the currency 90/90

[dense cloud]

so wahts the assa meta, DT of FB?

[frigid kestrel]

DT it seems

[uneven plume]

best embels for melee?

[dense cloud]

is there a pic or something for DT on what we taking?

[acoustic roost]

#assassination-faq

[dense cloud]

ty

[olive lagoon]

Has anyone else noticed that Caustic Splatter is doing like 0 damage

[shy crow]

!wa

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[shy crow]

i love whispyr's 11.0 plater

gotta be one of my fav genders

[spice spire]

Real

[orchid cedar]

with the aoe build

[dense cloud]

any changes from pre-patch talents to now on hybrid?

sorry i cannot read

[orchid cedar]

when do you use shiv in death mark sequence?

last 8 seconds?

[somber sparrow]

think there's any reputation we should focus on the most?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[devout fiber]

Guys for PvE rotation is it still

apply garrote and rupture but build up CP's with spam garrote?

for the openner bit

[dark token]

U can buy delve keys at ringing deeps 10 so that's what I'm focusing on

[dark token]

No. Depends on aoe or st also

[somber sparrow]

i meant to check raidbots gear upgrades, is there a good bountiful delve to target

[tall cradle]

do we crimson tempest on Single target?

[dark token]

Idk that's in 2 weeks

Don't spend ur keys now

[dark token]

No

[devout fiber]

wdym

so we no longer spam garrote in starter?

[uneven plume]

tier set disabled?

[devout fiber]

i swear that use to be athing

[dark token]

Aoe or st mate

[devout fiber]

lmk both

[dark token]

Not yet I'm still using

[devout fiber]

cuz im doing same

since garrote applies to AOE anyways

[dark token]

Openers are in the wowhead guide but u ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote in aoe generally

[unreal crater]

Pretty long time since I've played sin, if you're past the opener without vanish, do you just sustain the garrotes by applying them one by one to refresh?

AoE*

[dark token]

Ye for long pulls just use garrote on CD

[unreal crater]

Kk ty for the response!

[cerulean nest]

did those bug fixes help anything?

[dark token]

Helped sub deathstalker

[quartz halo]

should we drop our last tier set for ilvl?

Or do we keep last tier set until new tier set

[fleet sable]

is the play to craft wrists + boots 590ilvl with Dawnthread Lining embelishments?

[cerulean nest]

lol

[dark token]

Sim it im keeping mine

[cerulean nest]

I should max out the heroic ara kara trinket right?

might as well

[buoyant moat]

Bro

Fatebound Blows ass

this shit is so lame

[dark token]

I'm waiting to spend my flightstones till they get close to cap to givs sims a chance to improve personally

Who knows how many of these trunks don't have a proper implementation on launch day

[cerulean nest]

i’m at cap basically

[dark token]

Or bugfixes can affect classes, or tuning

[cerulean nest]

you mean crests?

[dark token]

Also I would do a droptimizer to target trinkets

It's likely you do like 590 crafts on big pieces + 593 trinkets with ur crests

And 580 other slots

Crafts are more efficient than upgrading crest wise

But trinkets should be safe if u wanna spend just make sure it's the best ones

[cyan summit]

better than daggers?

[dark token]

U are gonna craft 590 dags

More Crest efficient

You can't craft real trinkets tho

Hence those being the only peices you crest upgrade

[fleet sable]

is the play to craft wrists + boots 590ilvl with Dawnthread Lining embelishment on both?

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats my plan as of right now

crafting dagger/wrist/belt, upgrading trinkets to 593 and potentially helm/chest/legs. then 580 everything else

[dark token]

We get 3 crafts per week + some extra from rep. Assuming you upgrade trinkets with all ur bonus crests from renown, and use renown 584 items in tier slots, I think you can get full 590 crafts in all other slots by week 3

[cerulean nest]

yeah you can

just want to wait on drops from weekly events probably in case you get something nice from there

[dark token]

There are 16 equipment slots right?

Yeah

Craft at end

Only content is HC dungeons right now

Piss easy

Gives a chance for materials to drop as well

16 equip slots, -4 for renown slots,, -2 for trinkets so you can craft 9/10 slots

[cerulean nest]

renown is just helm chest shoulders right?

and I guess the trinket coming up?

[shell lodge]

!WA

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[dark token]

Aren't there 4, one per rep?

[cerulean nest]

the fourth is the trinket

584 at renown 11 with spiders I think

[dark token]

I think that trinket sucks, haven't simmed it tho

[cerulean nest]

yeah just saying there isnt a "good" 4th renown piece of 584

[dark token]

If you manage to get 24 renown that helps as well but I'm not counting on it

Seems rly degen

[cerulean nest]

fuck that lol

[slate crown]

Hrm @normal mist Dornogal music reminds me of....

uldah?

Hoenstly feel like I'm in early FFxiv zones with this

[dark token]

Make sure u have music on when you go to hallowfall

[normal mist]

I'll eventually be there and listen. Just got to the 1st dungeon (from MSQ) at lvl 75, first map almost 100% clean

[dark token]

That transition is sick

Same for azjkahet

[normal mist]

now its time for bed

[slate crown]

nice, hope you're enjoying yourself

[normal mist]

I was having a blast

kept killing lvl 80 8M hp rares solo

[slate crown]

I'm spending a lot of time in town prospecting

so much prospecting

so I get to vibe to the music a lot

[normal mist]

Time to ZzzZ, see y'all tomorrow, enjoy the launch

[gray horizon]

this new back is so good

[haughty flicker]

Speaking of ffxiv lmao

[slate crown]

[normal mist]

LOOOOOL

SUCH DEVASTATION

[cerulean nest]

do you only get the bonus renown crests on your first toon to do it?

so like all alts will have 90 fewer crests

[haughty flicker]

All can get it

[spice surge]

No your alts can go get the crests too

[cerulean nest]

oh just by talking to them

?

[spice surge]

Ye, just like you did for your main

[haughty flicker]

Need to be 80 I think but yeah

[cyan summit]

this one , or a different trinket ?

[haughty flicker]

They’ll have the same quests

[ripe rapids]

Are any of the Darkmoon Decks good for Assassination>?

[cerulean nest]

alright tell me if I'm insane with this:

if you get all extra renown/quest weathered crests (90), plus maxxing them the three weeks before raid (270), then you'll have 360 total weathered crests on raid day.

we have 15-16 item slots depending on if you have an offhand.

if you have the three 584 pieces from renown, thats down to 12-13 slots left. if you max out two heroic dungeon trinkets to 593 (120 crests), that's down to 10-11 slots left and 240 crests left.

240 crests = 8 crafted pieces at 590. which would mean you would only have 2-3 slots on raid day at 580 and the rest either at either 590 or 593 for your trinkets.

and that's ignoring any bigger drops you get from the weekly events during this

[dark token]

Ye also there is 584 neck at renown 11 with hallowfall

Doable

[cerulean nest]

for sure

[dark token]

597 items are at renown 16-19

[cyan summit]

isnt it better to save for mythic 0 gear for the upgrades ?

[dark token]

The weathered crests don't work on m0 gear

So u can spend pre raid release

[haughty flicker]

You won’t use those crests on anything else

[dark token]

Carved crests sure save em

[haughty flicker]

Can just send the baby crests

[dark token]

Anyway you can get mostly 590 gear to make ur day 1 raid and m0 farm easier

We plan to clear heroic day 1 so I need every scrap of gear I can get, cause I'm not doing any m0s before raid

Yes it will all be replaced that week but gearing to make that week smoother gives u something to do now

I need to look into renown farms

[round bloom]

what item should i craft with my Enchanted Weathered Harbinger Crest, missive and embellishment?

[cyan summit]

@dark token is this triket any good?

[haughty flicker]

The only way to game renown I know of currently was to use multiple accounts

But that seems likely to get rolled back

Then again it is blizzard

[dark token]

I have no clue but it seems to suck based on the description. That type of trinket usually is never good

[cyan summit]

ok thanks

[dark token]

Do a droptimizer sim for ur trinkets at 590

[cunning needle]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[cunning needle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund field]

What Profession's should i be as assas rogue?

[dark token]

W/e u want

I like alchemy on all my chars for extra flask duration

[rotund field]

BS prob worth for dagger right id think or dosent matter

[haughty flicker]

alch and enchanting (specced to disenchant) is my lazy profession build

for whatever im maining at the time

[dark token]

Disenchant doesn't seem that worth this expac

[haughty flicker]

i was making bank during ea buying greens and disenchanting

but prices are falling so probably wont stick around

[dark token]

I prob will do one char alch/leather and the other char alch/blacksmith so I can self craft

[spice surge]

You do not need blacksmithing to use the dagger

You can work order it and have somebody else craft it for you

[rotund field]

true figured if i went BS an d get it would be easy

[spice surge]

There is no combat benefit to any profession anymore so you can be whatever you want (or nothing i guess)

Its just to make/save gold

[soft surge]

""Note that Bleed based builds can still easily be better in low keys where and burst sucks"" so this means for heroics mythics and low mythic + where mobs die quick and are chain pulled, bleed is better than hybrid?

[dark token]

If you mostly do m+ you can consider optimized professions for dungeons

To get into groups easier

E.g. a night elf rogue blacksmith tailor can cover 5/7 buffs

[slate crown]

Nothing for JC

[haughty flicker]

city of threads one is interesting

routes for that dungeon are gonna be weird af

with that + the spy shit

[tranquil night]

can someone mail blizzard and ask why my envenom with echoing reprimand doesnt reactivate deaths mark?

[haughty flicker]

i'll ask my uncle when i see him tomorrow

(he works at blizzard)

[tranquil night]

ty

xD

[soft surge]

whys ther nothing about assa pvp on wowhead

[balmy condor]

We don’t do PvP guides anymore

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[odd flare]

hey team are there any pre-raid bis list out there?

[runic hinge]

Just get the highest Ilvl stuff and be ready to replace it day 1

There’s your list

[cerulean nest]

best embellishment spots wrist,feet, belt as usual probably?

[ripe rapids]

Are any of the darkmoon decks good?

[coral sierra]

is ass good

;o

[balmy condor]

No that shit worthless

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

They’re just ilvl sticks for the most part comparable or slightly worse to heroic trinkets

[balmy condor]

If that’s what you’re into, it’s good

If that’s not what you’re into, it’s bad

[rotund oak]

watched ur entire stream

ate so much pizza

ty man

😍

[balmy condor]

Np homie

[eager tree]

for weapon embellishments

[dusty zenith]

Not really enjoying sin rotations and specs this expansion

[balmy condor]

Sorry to hear that

[rotund oak]

i think this expansion is the most enjoyed for me since bfa

rly love rogue and sin gives me the coolest vibes

[runic hinge]

Df was super good. I’m looking forward to this one being good too

It kinda feels like df 2.0

[wide ridge]

anyone else feel like dungeons have too much shit that knock you out of stealth?

[runic hinge]

Which is good if they just iterate on some stuff

[rotund oak]

i think i rly didnt njoy rogue all that much in DF

[runic hinge]

Wrong

[balmy condor]

My group was chaining everything like a mfer regardless

I couldn’t tell for shit

[dark token]

I think rogue was better in terms of gameplay in 10.2 than now (and 10.0)

But this expac is much cooler lore/story/zone wise than df

[rotund oak]

wrong in an opinion on how i njoy an expansion

bruh

[eager tree]

didnt love the spam envenoms gameplay of DF at all

but jmo

[dark token]

Get ready to spam even more with deathstalker lmao

[rotund oak]

100%

but i think as far as rogue goes it makes more sense to me since i tested everything in beta so much

got a good view how stuff works

im rly njoying it

[runic hinge]

[dark token]

Eh I get how it works, it's aight, but I am still unhappy with our hero talents from a lore/visual/gameplay perspective even tho it's tuned well

[rotund oak]

there are issues yup

[dark token]

Clearly clunky/buggy stuff is annoying

[brittle quail]

!wa

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[dark token]

Unseen blade being private aura and rng resetting on trickster. Deathstalker ER cps + marks not functioning. Deathstalker still kinda awkward with the ambush (if you miss it you can't even use the hero talents trees anymore)

Mark should proc on garrote imo

[rotund oak]

yeah or something like that

ambush is @ss

[dark token]

Just would be smoother gameplay

Like it works

It's just

Clunky

[rotund oak]

yeah if deathstalker was able to reset through ER charged cps,,

yup

so much much better

[dark token]

And proc DN through ER

[rotund oak]

yeah

it would be the most FUN tree to play

100%

so many resets

[dark token]

Also I don't like the mark not target swapping fast

But that's the whole tree as a concept so

[rotund oak]

i also think that deathstalker mark should be applied as an ''aoe'' version for sub

give them some aoe love they desperately need

[dark token]

Would be cooler as a stacking self buff that turns into DN imo

[rotund oak]

also true

u are on fire man

[dark token]

Like yasuo tornados or some shit

[brittle quail]

mark not proccing on garrote is the biggest miss imo like you have entire branch of the tree making it the first button you want to press but no its bad x)

[dark token]

Same with unseen blade not producing on shuriken storm

I can see why both of these happened. It's because they both share trees with outlaw

And outlaw only has one builder

[rotund oak]

outlaw though

[dark token]

So they don't consider the garrote/storm

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

Outlaw literally ruined all hero talent trees

[runic hinge]

The mark being a self buff instead of a
Debuff would probably solve a lot of problems

[rotund oak]

exactly

[brittle quail]

havent look other spec yet except outlaw but both tree seem really lame for it

[dark token]

But they did the mark for roleplay reasons

Like u mark ur target for death!!!!

Deathstalker!nnn

Gameplay wise would be better as like an assassin stalking u and getting stronger with self buff

Like dagger in the dark buff on u

[rotund oak]

mfkrs designed a tree to fit on outlaw and forgot that the outlaw design is garbage,ended up ruining the hero tree

[dark token]

Imagine deathstalker mark makes ur char slowly start glowing dark/purple like super saiyan with self stacks

[rotund oak]

im getting the shivers

[nimble tartan]

i think this is the biggest thing that they might address fast cause it might be the only instance of a player not being able to utilize their hero tree due to rotational mistakes for an extended time

[dark token]

Then u proc the DN and it briefly silences the enemy and do big hit with cool visual

Holy

That tree would be sick

[oak eagle]

!plater

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[dark token]

It's less rogue fantasy ig

[spice spire]

There you go homie

[rotund oak]

At ''X'' amount of stacks gain ''Avatar of Shadow/Death''

[balmy condor]

Good work lil bro

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

I'm cooking tonight

Blizz hire me

[runic hinge]

[slate crown]

yooooooooo ok that's it going BS for rogue

time to be industriious

[frosty shard]

hey, 2 dumb questions but is echo bugged atm (the blue CP not counting) and what do we do when we arrive in dot pandemic window but have to use a full CP evenom to reapply our mark (do we refresh our dot and delay the reapply of the mark or do we reapply instant and then refresh our dot even if that means to loose them) ? ty

[spice spire]

Thanks big dog but ur the lil bro here

[slate crown]

I'll craft my own daggers later

[dark token]

Does blacksmith just waste like 200k gold lvling or some shit

How you make money back

Crafting orders?

[rotund oak]

dog father 🫶

[slate crown]

Listen

[balmy condor]

Inb4 mfers nerf it again or bubbling wax breaks and does 37x the intended damage

[slate crown]

I'm not doing BS to make money back, I have other ways to make money. Also I'm hoping the Bs stones remain strong for multiple classes, I already get stone at a massive discount from prospecting, so I'm double dipping on that benefit

[dark token]

It's just for craft convenience ig

I'm also considering BS

[rotund oak]

This is bigbrain move 10/10

[dark token]

But my guild has two insane 10 alt crafters

They all in profs and make mills and then we just send em guild orders

[slate crown]

Also prices dropping already rn

[dark token]

So like I don't need to do any

[rotund oak]

idk about you boys,ive already made more than a million gold by selling bismuth

[dark token]

Really

[rotund oak]

yeah rly

actually its close to 2mil

[dark token]

I farmed up 4m gold from boosting fyrakk mounts so I kinda don't care gold atm

[slate crown]

yes

bismuth is good

though prices dropping

[dark token]

Probably should have sold my mats from wax farming earlier

[rotund oak]

my druid never left tranquil strand

fr

i just throw herbs and mines in the warbank

continue

she is there flying

[dark token]

Dumb q

Where is the warbank

I just have my bank

[rotund oak]

if u do a questline in tanaris

[dark token]

Seperate npc?

[rotund oak]

some stuff become account wide

no

[dark token]

Does ur existing bank become account wide

[rotund oak]

u can call ur warbank from ur spell book

[dark token]

I mean I did that quest

[rotund oak]

like regular bank

[dark token]

How do u sccess

Ic

Wait

You can regular bank from spell book?

[rotund oak]

hello there is a guild bank spell

and a warbank spell

[dark token]

O that one

[rotund oak]

timesomething warband

[dark token]

I thought u meant regular bank

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

Anyway ty

[rotund oak]

you are welcome fam

[runic hinge]

There’s a tab at the bottom when you go to the bank

[fresh kelp]

How you do that special event in Ringing Deeps? quest turn in, but can't talk to the dwarf by the machines

[haughty flicker]

cant until reset

[fresh kelp]

ah ok

[haughty flicker]

weekly events arent available/dont give rewards until then

[cerulean nest]

I went around and talked to teh renown people. only got 72 weather crests

Im missing 30 non-season weathered crests somehow

[somber sparrow]

don't you think that "Darkest Night" should reactivate if used on an ER combo point

[haughty flicker]

we are all hoping blizzard makes it interact yes

[pliant remnant]

What a novel idea, Symphonic!

[somber sparrow]

thank you!

[silent drift]

Ya'll use the old afenar weak aura? or is there a weak aura that's simliar style to afenar

[balmy condor]

What a coincidence

I’ve been maintaining an edit of agenda

Afenar*

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[silent drift]

oh fr, bet

[haughty flicker]

paid actor

[brittle quail]

i just cannibalise you afener edit to add the fonctionnality i missed from luxthos mostly just deathstalker mark

[balmy condor]

Yeah

that works

At the end of the day UI’s just circle back into themselves

Everyone steals everyone else’s

[brittle quail]

yeah i just love luxthos for the reason most people hate it

i can steal any wa and it instanly is in the right size where i want it

so my luxthos is far away from the basic setup now so i don't see myself changing it but yours look real good too

[rotund oak]

yoinked whispyr's plater

actually legit

[nimble tartan]

ima take his plater too

i use aui but i need some juicy platers

[rotund oak]

i never yoink other ppl stuff

that plater is rly something for an egoist like me to value

😉

[silent drift]

@balmy condor thx man, the weak aura looks exactly like afenar, super clean

[blazing pumice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

[real solar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rare pecan]

anyone know what embellishments we should put on the blue crafted daggers?

[nimble tartan]

i used afenar before aui too loved afenar

[unkempt herald]

bro how are we supposed to hit fateful ending, 7 flips same face

LOL

[rotund oak]

if u ignore the other hero tree nodes its quite unthinkable aight?

[tropic tundra]

Pure skills

[unkempt herald]

I mean even with them

[tropic tundra]

Nice game design

[unkempt herald]

it's rng af

[tropic tundra]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

not rly

it isnt

its pretty deterministic

assuming u are playing inevitability u only have to practically roll 3-4

and on those u roll on 66-33% chance

• edge case

so ye,its not rly ''rng af''

[unkempt herald]

i mean you're right if you've got both vanish and shadowmeld available

you can make it to 5-6 most of the time

[rotund oak]

the opener pretty much makes fateful ending a thing,idk why u are like so much into rng af etc

[unkempt herald]

it's still is rng

[rotund oak]

[unkempt herald]

That's because of Mean Streak node, but in PvP you're not chaining envenoms as you do in PvE

[tropic tundra]

Uh

I think we mostly talk pve gameplay here

[balmy condor]

PvP

In 2024

[rotund oak]

who said u are playing fatebound in pvp

who said u even play sin in pvp anymore

[rotund oak]

i think wow has become very nice in TWW,everyone is hyped in general to log and play(irrelevant but true)

all my friends and old pvpers are already resubbed and chatting for raids and arenas and all

idk whats happening but its good

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

New expac

And it’s pretty good on the box

[unkempt herald]

Really wanted to try Fatebound, but Deathstalker is uncontested in pvp settings for sure

[rotund oak]

welcome to sub territory

sin will soon be pointless

[unkempt herald]

why's that D:

[rotund oak]

are u for real

do u rly think that sin even compares to how sub is rn?

[unkempt herald]

I haven't looked at sub

sin was doing very well pre patch

[rotund oak]

yeah thats obvious

sin is gone,there is no dance

[tropic tundra]

Stealth skills were amazing…

[unkempt herald]

shadow dance being gone is def a bummer

[rotund oak]

now compare a non-dance rogue

to a triple dance sub

with bomb and 2 sectechs

lets discuss how fatebound is good in pvp

plz tell me

im eager to know

[unkempt herald]

😂

[rotund oak]

[tropic tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

[rotund oak]

i can see sin doing like 2.2-2.4 with the vanish nodes though

u just cant compare sin to sub,its miles away

[plucky iron]

how good is ass rogue in raid?

[steel ridge]

raid is in 2 weeks, no one knows what happens until then

[storm crater]

is deathstalker or fatebound better for raids?

[terse orchid]

Everything is pointless if you're talking pvp

[rotund oak]

in terms of numbers from yday's information fatebound is 2-3% behind deathstalker.Fatebound is more passive stuff u dont rly have to track,u go by ur rotation

pretty smooth

deathstalker has a mark to worry about

thats pretty much it

[storm crater]

thanks

[rotund oak]

you are welcome

[rotund oak]

idk fam,i think pvp is walking on a very good direction

more and more ppl play it

[night smelt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Is that Greek for less and less

[royal lantern]

sure thing

[tropic tundra]

lmao

[brisk plank]

is afenar from wago working as intended as of today?

[desert cove]

so I yoinked whispyr's plater profile, is there a way I can highlight deathstalker's mark, I have trouble keeping track of it and I'm fairly new to customizing plater

[rotund oak]

u boys are hating

[royal lantern]

no sap, you just act as if the surge of people that comes with a new expansion is something special

when thats just.....how a launch works?

[grim jay]

Obviously people exaggerate how dead pvp is

But its not moving in a good direction either

[rotund oak]

no since dragonflight more ppl played pvp

thats a thing,its not coping or has nothing to do with this launch

shuffle made pvp more accessible to everyone

[grim jay]

If it says tww instead of dragonflight

Or 11.0

[river hawk]

guys im a little bit confused i hope u can help me ...
When we use poison we have 10% more damage but with how many combo points should we use it? Since if we spend it with a few we activate it but with the hero talents we need to spend 5 combo points for it to work as we do?

[desert cove]

also disregard my last question, I just noticed that enemies with mark have their hp color changed to purple

whispyr the goat

[grim jay]

Finishers always 5+ unless you need to trigger smth with more

Like darkest night with max cp

[uneven plume]

Decent stats for now?

10 mastery, 9k crit, 5k haste

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

💀

[uneven plume]

the hasteeee

idk how to get more unless i recraft but my mastery goes to shit

[rotund oak]

should stat weight

oh wait

[grim jay]

Bro what

[uneven plume]

just telling me agil lmaoo

[grim jay]

Dont say the cursed name

[rotund oak]

yo im trolling

[grim jay]

Nah you changed fam

[rotund oak]

[uneven plume]

i guess im in the clear

[grim jay]

If you are just stacking whatever stats, you aint

[terse orchid]

Haste is meh for the real endgame anyway

[uneven plume]

nah i simmed

this is my best gear set

[grim jay]

?

[uneven plume]

with best crafts

[haughty flicker]

you dont need haste to transmog

so i agree

[terse orchid]

M+/fashion

[grim jay]

You still need haste for m+

Wdym

[terse orchid]

yeah but less so than for raid

bc of the crazy energy influx anyway

[grim jay]

120% haste = more energy = faster mog farm

[haughty flicker]

mog farming on rogue

lmao

actually you mog farm on everything now with warbands

[terse orchid]

Bring back reforging tho

[grim jay]

Haste isnt only energy, not even first and foremost

[grim jay]

Idk rogue pretty easy mog farm with fok

[haughty flicker]

ww better

[brisk plank]

https://wago.io/Afenar_Rogue so this ones obsolete?

[grim jay]

Probably still works, but might not have the new things

[round bloom]

https://www.luxthos.com/rogue-weakauras-for-world-of-warcraft-the-war-within/

[grim jay]

Lucky, they buffed heroic dungeon loot, so even less of a reason to actually get renown

[grim jay]

You could still use Whispyrs afenar edit tho

[brisk plank]

Does his have mark and all the new stuff?

[grim jay]

Yes

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[tawny pawn]

Guys what hero talents are we prefering

did i missed it in the pins

[balmy condor]

fatebound as a passive easy mode

deathstalker for sweaty nerds

[hardy atlas]

dunno, DS is absolute beast with guaranteed EV crit proc, in FB u need to pick up the coins

[tropic tundra]

We play sweaty nerds game

[balmy condor]

I just fatebound macro cb and vibe tf out

brain off

just slam

[nimble tartan]

guys... not a lot of uppie gs for weeks what do we do...

[balmy condor]

cry

[haughty flicker]

mog farm

shadowlands legacy

gogogo

[hardy atlas]

well u can upgrade your single piece of gear to 603 but why ?

[nimble tartan]

i did all the skyriding achieves already...

full lore..

3 80s...

[haughty flicker]

why not 5 80s

[runic hinge]

Macro to muti? Or envenom? Not that it particularly matters I just wanna know what you’re doing

[prisma coral]

seems like you got your playtime in

[balmy condor]

I have it on env

and then I have a keybind for env without it

[nimble tartan]

i need that bee trinket fr the sim says i need it

[balmy condor]

because cringe

[hardy atlas]

gingi got 18 80s

[runic hinge]

I have it on muti and then also a keybind for it without it

[balmy condor]

so like fatebound opener I do the non-macro envenom

until I consume the edge case

so like the deathmark -> envenom

that one is no macro

after that it's macro

[spring cradle]

can you lin k me this one

[royal lantern]

cool, i gues

[terse orchid]

yah but his life revolves around playing a game lol

[royal lantern]

i actually leveled a warrior aswell

slayer arms is comfy

a passive tree that DOESNT feel like dogshit

[grim jay]

Disgusting

[royal lantern]

incredible how they managed that

[royal lantern]

Arms ofc

fuck fury

cringe ass outlaw spec

[terse orchid]

I don't get the slayer hype tbh. People hate on channels but then they love whirlwind?

[grim jay]

Yeah but arms is so bad often

[terse orchid]

Mountain thane is where it's at

[grim jay]

I really have a hate/love relationship with warrior

[royal lantern]

many execute procs on arms + its bladestorm hits like a actual nuke

[grim jay]

Now theres even more hate because one hero tree wants to bladestorm all day

[royal lantern]

and all the execute procs give you even more chunky mortal strikes

[terse orchid]

Does arms still use slam?

[grim jay]

Bladestorm is even worse than fists of fury ngl

[terse orchid]

Tried the spec once, saw slam was a core ability and noped out

[terse orchid]

Right?!

[royal lantern]

technically yes, practically its kinda rare

slam is the "i have literally nothing else to press rn" Button

[grim jay]

It should just spin for 1s and deal 3 big hits or smth

Spinning so long is so crazy

[terse orchid]

Worst feeling

[terse orchid]

Would be much better like eye beam, yeah

[balmy condor]

team I do not wish to farm valorstones but the voices are winning

[royal lantern]

mf's play assa in S3, say that its the best gameplay ever and then complain about arms warrior bladestorm taking to long

[grim jay]

Isnt just spaming heroic dungeons the way?

[balmy condor]

yeah but I don't need heroic dungeon gear

I just need the valorstones

[terse orchid]

What's wrong with s3 sin?

[grim jay]

Wdym? We dont have funky animations, we dont have any at all

[royal lantern]

cus s3 assa had long pool times sometimes?

[terse orchid]

So?

[royal lantern]

where you legit just waited

and did nothing

[grim jay]

Yeah but bladestorm sucks ability wise

[terse orchid]

I'd rather press nothing than have to channel something while other buttons are also up

[grim jay]

Animation and all

[royal lantern]

but thats 10/10 gameplay but a big dmg channel is horrible?

[terse orchid]

Bladestorm feels like a paper bag

[grim jay]

Same but atleast some dungeon gameplay or can you just run through like in nhc dungeons?

[terse orchid]

Has terrible animation/sound design

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

maybe

idk

maybe I just slow roll it

[grim jay]

Id just do a couple a day or something tbf

[runic hinge]

elon musk is sabotaging my internet and now im afraid to queue a heroic

[balmy condor]

two weeks to farm 1800 valorstones + 2000 to cap for m0 gear

[runic hinge]

(i have starlink and a cloud is overhead)

[royal lantern]

send stu after him

[balmy condor]

3800 valorstones in 14 days

that's like what

[royal lantern]

huh

[balmy condor]

280 stones a day

[terse orchid]

how many per hour?

[grim jay]

Elaborate, I didnt have a coffee yet so I cant think straight

[royal lantern]

oh you want to fully Upgrade m0 gear?

[balmy condor]

well I need 1800 for the rest of my gear to 580

and then 2000

cause that's the cap

you can hold

[grim jay]

The animation and idea of spinning around like crazy is just weird. Its the same as fists of fury for me, fof has a really silly animation aswell, but you atleast cancel it sometimes

[royal lantern]

oh i see, you want full 580 for raid release

[grim jay]

Alright I understand, ty

[balmy condor]

80 heroics in 14 days

that's actually kinda fine

[grim jay]

Yeah could be worse

You could let Mr Z log into your Account tho

[balmy condor]

he'd get it done in 2 hours

[grim jay]

To get his average fix, he would need 4 chars

Quickmath actually not wrong

[tawny pawn]

im very interested to see what herotalent will perform better

[grim jay]

Thats close to 23 dungeons a day

Sounds reasonable

[grim jay]

Im very hopeful its deathstalker after balancing is "done"

[cunning needle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyExcitedChoughThunBeast-hxh7UcoiA943ch3X

dunno how true that is

[royal lantern]

im praying for that 0,00000001% chance that by accident an intern deletes them all and we can be happy without that failure of a system

[haughty flicker]

is it bad im enjoying playing ele

[balmy condor]

yah

[grim jay]

After playing some trickster, ive come to enjoy deathboi

But then I played my WW and my mage

[haughty flicker]

i dont hate deathstalker

but playing other classes with better trees does make it feel kinda sad

then again on survival all i have is an owl that pisses on people

[royal lantern]

you are a bad boy, and bad boys get the whip

[haughty flicker]

that the tank always runs away from

[grim jay]

Yeah, not by design tho, but the flow is very different

[haughty flicker]

so maybe deathstalker isnt that bad after all

[haughty flicker]

best i can do is a lightning lasso

[grim jay]

Could whip you with the barbed wire we use for garroting

[nimble tartan]

so do i craft 590 stuff rn or wha

lmaooo

[haughty flicker]

how you gonna reach me though

tiny arms

[grim jay]

Ima shadowstep your sassy ass

[royal lantern]

? dont you should wait for emb crafts

[nimble tartan]

when that come out

see this is why they need to release a content like m0 early so we know what we doin at least

m0 drop high enough we can forget about those slots

save me blizzard

[haughty flicker]

watching people fiend over any tiny amount of ilvl has been pretty fun

[grim jay]

Btw its funny to me how people say shado pan has no fancy animations, you basically hit the targets with a torrent of chi energy, thats more particles than all of our skills together

[terse orchid]

hey now, we get a purple cross on our target

[royal lantern]

me with a 58something dagger because i got one and just upgraded it until it needed more then the WQ crests

beeing counfsed what everyone else is doing

[haughty flicker]

i havent even upgraded anything yet

but thats because im lazy

at least i finally got a good polearm

[grim jay]

Im like slightly above 570 and see no reason to go further rn

[haughty flicker]

no molearm though

[grim jay]

Its just wasted effort

[velvet ridge]

Hey have you guys done the vent candle rogue exclusive quest

[terse orchid]

not me with 543 ilvl

[grim jay]

You could just use like 30k and be 568ish

[velvet ridge]

How good is the pick pocketable weapon poison we learn from it

[grim jay]

Bad

[terse orchid]

I haven't played since turning 80 sunday morning lol. Might do this

[velvet ridge]

Dam

[grim jay]

I dont see a reason to not do it if you have the gold

[umbral cypress]

stop the expantion

[grim jay]

Tbf

[umbral cypress]

these tanks wont let me invis

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[umbral cypress]

oh shit

nice

[lavish path]

Could anyone explain how we use deathstalker in m+. I saw smthg about only ambushing first pack but don't rly understand

[grim jay]

Ambush first Pack, get Mark, play Mark, play capstone - repeat from play mark

Just read what the capstone does

(darkest night)

[lavish path]

Ah i see thx. Is it worth to zmbush if you get to restealth or don't bother?

[grim jay]

Its not

[lavish path]

Ty

[cerulean nest]

that honeybee trinket is pretty troll huh

[mortal crystal]

Got it last run but that was my initial thought as well

[unborn wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[fallen arch]

Ye fucktards

[cerulean nest]

my sims like it more than any other dungeon trinket but I cant imagine its realistic lol

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[manic pebble]

Is sin a good spec to main if I do m+ and raid?

[grim jay]

Still didnt find a passive trinket. The one from threads renown is kinda good

But cba to get renown

[grim jay]

Yes

[manic pebble]

Transition from outlaw is hard

[terse orchid]

Just take more testosterone

[cerulean nest]

i got the arakara one as passive

but after the honeybee my sims want me to just take another passive

[lapis coral]

You feel like outlaw aint good enough?

[manic pebble]

Something like that

[lapis coral]

or feels like garbage to play?

[manic pebble]

ye that too

[fallen arch]

Dont care about that command. It just feels really bad to start a pack wtithout stealth

[grim jay]

Gotta take sims with a grain of salt currently anyways since everything is so quick. The stacking stat darkmoons sim good aswell because you usually are in combat for longer

[fallen arch]

Although it might not result in a huge dps loss

It’s awkward

[grim jay]

For on use it wants me to use the worldquest 1.5s channel trinket with agi haste and agi onuse

[grim jay]

Often the result of people not acting right in that situation

[cerulean nest]

im just doing patchwerk for raid

thats all we're gearing for

[lapis coral]

I dont play Outlaw, but I ask myself, if furror is just the better version of Outlaw

[grim jay]

Always was

[grim jay]

Fair, I go for a mix of both

[royal lantern]

buy the darlmoon deck for like, 1k

[grim jay]

I have that one

Ascension

Sims best for me if stuff doesnt just die

Also stacks a little faster than the other one

[lavish wagon]

Anyone found a goos WA to enlight when consume Clear the Withness with deathst. hero talents?

[stone minnow]

guys - are you using lightweight shiv?

[royal lantern]

that is a weird one

in ST you wont really do it

in AoE you use FoK anyway

[grim jay]

We use the builds over at

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

With the m+ build you will on bossfights

Unless I missed something

[royal lantern]

m+ lol

[grim jay]

The real endgame

Breaking through the limitation of 24h a day

[sonic lotus]

so we can't use anything other than daggers right?

[fallen arch]

No

Uh yes

We can

[sonic lotus]

[fallen arch]

But no u cant

U need 2 daggers for mut

[stone minnow]

!addons

[fallen arch]

Or isnt that a thing anymore

[sonic lotus]

[stone minnow]

what was the cmd for seeing the WA's here?

[fallen arch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[stone minnow]

do you guys track the caustic spatter through WA's or there is another way?

[fallen arch]

I’d like the transmog limtations for daggers rmoved though

[hot fulcrum]

Whispyr plater

mob is marked with green where you have caustic

[grim jay]

Most probably track it through nameplates ye

I still have it in the WA Pack aswell tho

[stone minnow]

tyty

[fallen arch]

I wanna mutilate with thunderfury

[fallen arch]

Another way like what?

I have a huge wa for it, its kinda important to not let fall off

[midnight atlas]

track it on plater is the other option, but not as easy to spot

[languid tide]

still wondering if is good or the sim is trolling me
the tooltip shows a 1300 agi proc but thats all did i miss something?

Edit: ok so it does some dmg around me gonna check later when i get back home

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor lord whispyr sir

what are the odds we get trinket sims

[balmy condor]

you got access to raidbots don't you?

[rotund oak]

eleem said its broken

[balmy condor]

yeh well its just as broken for me then

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Wdym you dont have a special secret raidbots version?

[sonic lotus]

Hey Whispyr, Any chance you could tell me how i could apply the Caustic spatter color change to my own plater profile?

[balmy condor]

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import that as a script

[grim jay]

Wtf

[royal lantern]

eldritch knowledge

[primal jolt]

what a chad

(he knew that script his head)

[balmy condor]

who's gonna tell me to not spam the chat

[midnight mist]

!ban @balmy condor no spamming

[royal lantern]

im resisting the urge to ping shien rn

[grim jay]

Well you didnt spam, only if you behaved like a yellow and pasted every single line into a new message

[midnight mist]

he is banned unfortunatly

cant answer you now

[grim jay]

Based

[primal jolt]

it was plotted, these damn outlaw players trying to fuck over sin rogues

i bet the guy who asked for the script is a paid actor from outlaw rogues

[royal lantern]

mate

paid actor?

how can a bunch of 16y old pay somebody

[primal jolt]

[midnight mist]

hey!

im uh

24 now !