thats what i was thinking
#assassination
gleaming thicket
balmy condor
of the specs in content that actually matters
gleaming thicket
cause we need to like get out shit going and by the time were ready to crank mobs are dead
balmy condor
I mean you're cranking mobs with gar/rup/ct
civic knot
I usually play horde but was thinking about using my boost to play NE is shadowmeld as op for sin as it seems?
balmy condor
but yeh
balmy condor
I usually play horde but was thinking about using my boost to play NE is shadowm...
no
gleaming thicket
but u think sub just cranks more
balmy condor
meld is cheese
normal mist
I usually play horde but was thinking about using my boost to play NE is shadowm...
No
junior aurora
dwarf bis
balmy condor
but u think sub just cranks more
in normal dungeons? 100%
civic knot
isn't getting an imp garrote for free nice though they still have a passive stat racial too
waxen oyster
doesnt work on bosses
normal mist
If you can even get to stealth
waxen oyster
assuming something doesnt break your stealth
civic knot
doesnt work on bosses
I see that's good to know
balmy condor
the comparison is also to something like orc
or troll
if we're talking damage
and those racials also add damage
remote wing
ya SM hasnt been good for a long tiem they fixed the cheese in SL i think
normal mist
Human is bis looking thanks
junior aurora
yeah its decent
normal mist
No idea, I just like the looks
junior aurora
i think the race with the best defensive is the best offensive too though
waxen oyster
so dwarf
normal mist
#1262437829150113855 message this will probably be my go to tmog in tww
balmy condor
i think the race with the best defensive is the best offensive too though
okay fucking sun tzu calm down
gleaming thicket
also ik this is braindead to say and im gonna get laughted at, but i was lazy and been using the default loadout, looking at whispyrs m+ guide theres some seriously good aoe options lmfaooo
waxen oyster
my woyer is human
gleaming thicket
wonder why the default talents are so cooked
normal mist
They work for irrelevant content
balmy condor
they're meant as entry to the spec
junior aurora
okay fucking sun tzu calm down
sorry but ryoliths art of race war might cause some eyes to be raised
gleaming thicket
play fatebound no deathmark in normal dungeons
i may or may not have been playing fatebound default assass talents
nimble tartan
werid question but do green items and blue items aka weapons have any diff at same ilevel
or is it rp stuff
junior aurora
relic of the past
past forum
Dont blues have more main stat?
waxen oyster
they did on remix
balmy condor
the color mostly indicates like where they drop from honestly
past forum
Or am i just remix brained
junior aurora
remix brained
past forum
Panda’d
balmy condor
like green frrom world, blue from dungeon, epic from raid
but even then m0 drops purple
so that's not consistent
waxen oyster
the 80+ alts remix gamers
junior aurora
blizzard is always consistent
onyx mesa
This means a weekly yea?
balmy condor
that means repeatable
junior aurora
if you only do a repeatable once a week its basically a weekly
onyx mesa
it's the one for 1500 rep in dungeon, I want to wait for DMF but can I do it again that week?
normal mist
I'm also wondering why s4 DF, dungeons m0 dropped champion gear, and in tww we're back to veteran
balmy condor
it's the one for 1500 rep in dungeon, I want to wait for DMF but can I do it aga...
no clue
placid rivet
anyone know what enchant to get besides depths? Looks like i cant find it on AH
junior aurora
I'm also wondering why s4 DF, dungeons m0 dropped champion gear, and in tww we'r...
they nerfed dungeon loot
balmy condor
anyone know what enchant to get besides depths? Looks like i cant find it on AH
radiance is okay
past forum
if you only do a repeatable once a week its basically a weekly
“As Ryolith once said…”
balmy condor
but I wouldn't waste money on enchants atm
normal mist
they nerfed dungeon loot
Then why locking m0 to release with raid
placid rivet
just got my pre raid bis dagger
normal mist
Now it makes even less sense
junior aurora
with daily lockouts it makes no sense too
nimble tartan
thinking of sending my 561 green dagger to like as much as i can
cause it shouldnt matter right
junior aurora
it made sense when they delayed it a week so people wouldnt miss the weeks clear but now who knows
placid rivet
same track as heroic
nimble tartan
explorer track
placid rivet
so why not
if you really want to I guess
junior aurora
all these crests are irrelevant anyway
raven egret
they just dont want anyone gearing up before season starts, thats about it
nimble tartan
cause otherwise its week 3 to replace it so ill use it for 2 weeks
balmy condor
but yolo
nimble tartan
seems fine to me
grave trail
Then why locking m0 to release with raid
m0 comes out tomorrow no? heroic is the new m0
nimble tartan
ill be strong open world !
junior aurora
pre-raid bis was hype back in old wow
now its irrelevant bc of how content is structured
grave trail
loot wise not mechanics wise
balmy condor
yeah pogging I'm pre-raid bis (replaced 20 minutes after logging in from the first m+ I run)
junior aurora
i meant like vanilla
balmy condor
yeh
nimble tartan
i wish god will bless me with a weapon from my first run
raven egret
only point right now is makign your life to transition into S1 M+ and raid a tiny bit easier
normal mist
the before times
Before we got old
balmy condor
the before times
so like, 2019?
junior aurora
loot wise not mechanics wise
theres still mythic0
raven egret
we'll be at a what.. 15-25 ilvl gap from the content we'll want to be running
junior aurora
so like, 2019?
an era of tranquility
junior aurora
yes but m0 equals an old +10
yea
normal mist
Yes
junior aurora
but the gear doesnt reflect that is what royal is saying
normal mist
In s4
grave trail
like beggining of df
junior aurora
i got no clue i dont think i ever ran them outside of week 1
grave trail
where you could only do 1 m0 a week
waxen oyster
s4 was a giga inflated turdfest
normal mist
But there was a big jump in difficulty from s3 to s4
waxen oyster
mythic week 1 was so cringe
junior aurora
its only for s1
normal mist
Só that's why I'm wandering why is the m0 awarding veteran gear being released the same day heroic raid releases
junior aurora
S2 is back to mythic week 1
waxen oyster
god thats cringe
junior aurora
why
waxen oyster
being outgeared by pto/unemployed people
junior aurora
that would happen regardless?
waxen oyster
Idk mythic week 1 promotes more degeneracy
grave trail
Só that's why I'm wandering why is the m0 awarding veteran gear being released t...
isnt that the equivalent of being locked to m6 or w/e the number was before mythic raid?
dark token
Ye pretty sure this is similar how it used to be
Makes heroic raid more relevant for gearing
DF having heroic be so useless is very unusual
raven egret
M0s will be an easy source of early crests, valor and possible to plug some gearing gaps and bad luck
grave trail
like right now its impossible to replicate an old m6 sinc eheroic covers pretty much from m0 to +9
raven egret
but will quickly be irrelevant to the prog oriented players
waxen oyster
Yeah I miss when raid gear mattered
raven egret
it does, insofar that its so spread out across raid teams, just not as relevant individually speaking
royal lantern
Yeah I miss when raid gear mattered
ssshhhhhh.....dont say that loud
you attract the "m+ only" andys
waxen oyster
m+ is a can of worms of having to tune content higher
due to how easy keys makes gearing
junior aurora
i think it makes more sense for mythic raid to be that way
can tune the encounters to exactly that ilvl
royal lantern
have heroic be the cap of gear
tbh, that would give m+ and raiding a BIG hit
gear is a big part on why people play at all
junior aurora
tbh, that would give m+ and raiding a BIG hit
yeah but when i make a suggestion of what team im on idgaf about what other people care about
its my opinion not theirs
waxen oyster
m+ only andys who pug i swear
junior aurora
im not saying they should do it, just what i would like to see
royal lantern
ye sure, just saying why i think its bad
royal lantern
for disappointment
yes
this, so much lol
play a cooperarion and team based onnline game like a shity Moba soloQ and complain
junior aurora
if ur a m+ only andy and you pug you are a creature
waxen oyster
play a cooperarion and team based onnline game like a shity Moba soloQ and compl...
Yeah i can see the validity if you have friends you play with
just as a small friends activity
royal lantern
if ur a m+ only andy and you pug you are a creature
"i hate the time investment of raiding, m+ RESPECTS my time so much more"
proceeds to spam apply to +12 keys for 7hours a day
junior aurora
i hate the time investment of raiding bc volatile work schedule means i cant guarantee im around ever week
junior aurora
im also not gonna sit in town and pug m+ lmao that sounds miserable
balmy condor
for plenty of people that's their peak end game
junior aurora
i think the only time i pug keys is if i need a very specific trinket and even then ill wait for a tank i know to skip queues
@shy pecan
😄
royal lantern
like, sure, shity fast weekly vault keys is just pug and go
but espacialy early season gameplay? get that guild group lol
wait, you 2 play togheter?
shy pecan
<@169296144197746689>
I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA PING ME YOU BI…
junior aurora
wait, you 2 play togheter?
yeah i mooch
shy pecan
wait, you 2 play togheter?
Been playing with a bunch of the RH folks 
junior aurora
leuser
royal lantern
sits in valdrakken being declined
i mean, you laugh, but legit 90% of m+ complains are based around people beeing Pug lords that refuse to accept that pugging is shit by default
drifting cloud
ed doesn't play with me
whens the last time you did a key, january?
waxen oyster
If I stopped raiding I’d probably just be a social in guild
If i didnt quit wow altogether
royal lantern
Been playing with a bunch of the RH folks <:Smile:1215068700781182976>
if you would be EU 
balmy condor
whens the last time you did a key, january?
fuck you ryler when was your colonoscopy you're getting to the age where regular checkups are important
waxen oyster
i mean, you laugh, but legit 90% of m+ complains are based around people beeing ...
People expect every game to follow the moba/fps model.
Of queue up for 1minute get a game
shy pecan
whens the last time you did a key, january?
GOTTEM
drifting cloud
fuck you ryler when was your colonoscopy you're getting to the age where regular...
👴
junior aurora
Of queue up for 1minute get a game
the league model of queue up 7 times in a row for 3-4 minutes each queue to find a lobby that doesnt dodge
shy pecan
if you would be EU <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
Come to NA
waxen oyster
I dont get it
If time is so limited, single player games exist
and theres a plethora of good ones
royal lantern
People expect every game to follow the moba/fps model.
i mean, yeha, its 1 of the bigget reasons why the "make the game more aLt FrIeNdLy" push was so big in the last couple years
people dont wanna play a character, they wanna pick the current OP shit like its a Moba character selection
junior aurora
back in my day we used to just hate paladins from vanilla to wrath for separate reasons each xpac
rugged sphinx
if i was going to buy a darkmoon deck for ilvl, which is the best?
royal lantern
its also why m+ andys hate raiding, forna stable raid team you kinda lock yourself into a class
raven egret
i mean, yeha, its 1 of the bigget reasons why the "make the game more aLt FrIeNd...
That is extremely generalistic and dismissing the multiple reason why many people like playing alts
balmy condor
if i was going to buy a darkmoon deck for ilvl, which is the best?
ascend
waxen oyster
its also why m+ andys hate raiding, forna stable raid team you kinda lock yourse...
I mean you can multiclass but it requires a larger time investment
and pugs wont call you out for playing meh
balmy condor
done. Now what deck do i pick
if you truly ascended you wouldn't need to grab a garbage trinket off the AH
get bent
waxen oyster
like playing an alt badly on prog raiding
royal lantern
That is extremely generalistic and dismissing the multiple reason why many peopl...
i mean, i can play alts without saying all the time "my alts should have almost the same gear as my main in 2-3 werks!!!" which is what most people do when they talk about "alt friendly"
junior aurora
if you truly ascended you wouldn't need to grab a garbage trinket off the AH
i picked gladiator last league wdym i need all the help i can get
young dust
hi, what would be the best darkmoon deck for assa?
shy pecan
I love when people don't scroll up for a second
junior aurora
i dont think you even needed to scroll for that one lmao
young dust
^
oh thanks, are you the guy who got interviewed by maximum? if so, great points you made
royal lantern
oh thanks, are you the guy who got interviewed by maximum? if so, great points y...
dont praise him to much, it gets into his head
(we love whisp)
junior aurora
he just needs to read maxs twitch chat from that 6 hour segment to come back down to earth
balmy condor
oh thanks, are you the guy who got interviewed by maximum? if so, great points y...
thank you
junior aurora
does whispyr play na
royal lantern
yes
young dust
outlaw does feel like shit without acrobatic strikes
royal lantern
he is in california mate
raven egret
oh no, we over talking about Acro here, right, right!?
junior aurora
oh i thought he was in europe somewhere
balmy condor
he just needs to read maxs twitch chat from that 6 hour segment to come back dow...
still think about that one guy that spammed "pack it up we need to hear ret" immediately after max said he has 5 minutes
young dust
oh no, we over talking about Acro here, right, right!?
late to the party, sorry!
junior aurora
still think about that one guy that spammed "pack it up we need to hear ret" imm...
is he wrong though
royal lantern
oh no, we over talking about Acro here, right, right!?
most agree that the removal was kinda weird and stupid and that their reasoning was strange 
junior aurora
true we dont need to hear ret
balmy condor
ret is what it is
waxen oyster
honestly the best max community tier ranking
waxen oyster
was he had that guy come on for dps warrior
junior aurora
send ret back to vanilla days
raven egret
most agree that the removal was kinda weird and stupid and that their reasoning ...
yeah but that dead horse was burned, burried, site nuked, packed into a box and shipped into the sun already
junior aurora
if we keep bringing it back up maybe we can have acro tied to our finisher use and only have to press a button once an encounter to keep it up
royal lantern
if we keep bringing it back up maybe we can have acro tied to our finisher use a...
hey wait a sec....
junior aurora
hey wait a sec....
😄
raven egret
if we keep bringing it back up maybe we can have acro tied to our finisher use a...
You have to proc acro by using Shiv from stealth
balmy condor
recuperator changed to recuperacro, casting slice and dice gives acrobatic strikes
but it doesn't work with cut to the chase
junior aurora
recuperator changed to recuperacro, casting slice and dice gives acrobatic strik...
its still broken
junior aurora
placebo 3yd range
theyll probably stop talking about it
and just be like it feels so much better now
balmy condor
just have a talent say you have more range but it doesn't actually do it
and then everyone will praise blizzard
royal lantern
recuperator changed to recuperacro, casting slice and dice gives acrobatic strik...
no no no, make it like upper-lower-left-right-hand from outlaw
make it read overly complicated
round trout
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junior aurora
dont they literally have a thread that is nothing but linking screenshots of overalls
royal lantern
Kush calling outlaw otps people who do nothing but link screenshots of overalls.
yes
yes so much
cedar hare
You have to proc acro by using Shiv from stealth
Your poisen such as deadly poisen etc is only proced in the 3 sec window after using vanish. And you have to use poisened knifw to applay it. It last for 20 sec before u need to re vanish. Use poisened knife again in the 3 sec window.
raven egret
Let's just cook; your damage is reduced by 100% 6 seconds after breaking stealth
junior aurora
Let's just cook; your damage is reduced by 100% 6 seconds after breaking stealth
so nothing changes for me?
raven egret
so nothing changes for me?
Just making it official 
balmy condor
Let's just cook; your damage is reduced by 100% 6 seconds after breaking stealth
people would still spec double vanish
raven egret
HA
junior aurora
people would still spec double vanish
just think of the damage my spread bleeds will do AFTER that 6 sceonds
you have no vision
waxen oyster
whispyr hires a guy to do clickbait yt thumbnails of pre release tierlists
you split profits
snow holly
@balmy condor not to rush you or anything, just curious when your M+ A-Z video might be uploaded
balmy condor
tomorrow perhap
gleaming thicket
if im in carnage mode, and i apply bleed it spreads to my main target and 2 others, if i press bleeds will i apply to the main target again and 2 targets that dont have a bleed, or will it ignore my main target since it has the bleed already
balmy condor
in like 30 min I need to stream cause wowhead front page is testing streamer showcase
and then eat food
and do some house cleaning
and then tomorrow I have time
hopefully
maybe
we'll see
waxen oyster
Do the crusader special of streaming your empty chair.
snow holly
Like I said no rush just curious!I appreciate your vids alot so I was looking forward to it
waxen oyster
Then running an ad when you get back
balmy condor
if im in carnage mode, and i apply bleed it spreads to my main target and 2 othe...
it'll apply to main target again
raven egret
if im in carnage mode, and i apply bleed it spreads to my main target and 2 othe...
Carnage mode, hell yes that sounds metal. But itll apply again
whole sand
gleaming thicket
ok so ill reapply to main target, ok but for the spread bleed will i prioritize non bled targets?
balmy condor
also probably need to do a lot of leg work in the upcoming weeks for some sim stuff
want to support priority rotation again
snow holly
We all appreciate the work you do!
snow holly
Before I found your vids I was scared to try Sin rogue but I am so glad I found them! It has been a blast!
balmy condor
It truly is a great spec
lyric frigate
in aoe do you start spending points on envenom when you have maxed scent of blood or do u keep rupturing on 5+ targets
junior aurora
envenom
balmy condor
My sourdough starter is doing well
jaunty nest
T-T
analog hornet
Deathstalker is still bugging around? 😅 My Buff to apply the dot dont appear some times 🤔
balmy condor
!dn
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
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jaunty nest
i just resubbed like yesterday and my mates were like
"oh yeah rogues are fcking trash now lmaooooo"
balmy condor
Yeah that happens when your mates are clueless
jaunty nest
but there was like reddit forum about how bad it is
whole sand
well if reddit said it
balmy condor
Must be true
jaunty nest
bruh T-T
earnest remnant
rule number 1, dont listen to anybody who isnt a rogue tell you how rogue is doing
specifically me
jaunty nest
@earnest remnant WHATS UR OPION ON ROGUES
raven egret
we need to be looked at and stuff needs fixing, updates, etc. But we are far from being trash
tawny geyser
So we talent ER but we dont use it, correct?
balmy condor
So we talent ER but we dont use it, correct?
What kind of logic is that
Of course we use it
earnest remnant
outlaw bad
cuz outlaw
vocal crescent
How big is the gap between Assa and Sub, would you say? I don't think there's a spreadsheet yet?
analog hornet
Yea, i mean "dargestellt night"... it wont appear whan the dotted mob dies 😅
And when i have the buff and Mark the next mob... when it dies a second later, i dont get the buff too 😅
"Darkest" 🤣
vocal crescent
german detected 👀
royal lantern
german detected 👀
its Ravenholdt, 80% are german
earnest remnant
vocal crescent
Oh really? TIL
balmy condor
There is a surprisingly large German rogue population though
analog hornet
And why i dont get the buff when the first mob dies? 🤔
earnest remnant
midnight mist
Real
royal lantern
Outlaw is for the frenchs
What is the french Version of Kyle
vocal crescent
Outlaw is for the frenchs
it all makes sense now
balmy condor
What is the french Version of Kyle
Still Kyle but you only pronounce the K
vocal crescent
Also, anyone have an answer for my earlier question? ^^
limber creek
Outlaw is for the frenchs
mastery being called main gauche tracks with this line of thought
royal lantern
Like the name Kyle or
the monster addicted guy in school that never got past his 14y old phase
vocal crescent
What's the sim gap between Assa and Sub single target / AOE
balmy condor
Also, anyone have an answer for my earlier question? ^^
No because it’s a dumb question
analog hornet
I'll have to check that again... I noticed more often that after a group died, the buff wasn't there and I didn't use envenom with that much CP
royal lantern
Also, anyone have an answer for my earlier question? ^^
we are 3weeks away from raid, balance is a shitshow everywhere, they tune stuff on a weekly basis and will contiue to do so after the raid releases, nobody knows + most of the time it doesnt matter anyway
analog hornet
Ich have to multilate 4 Times for 7 CP in the middle of the fight 🤣 i want my crit back 🥲
balmy condor
well, you either didn't have the mark, the mob didn't die, or you found a new unknown bug
vocal crescent
we are 3weeks away from raid, balance is a shitshow everywhere, they tune stuff ...
that's fair, I was only wondering about PTR out of curiosity but I guess there was no raid-testing after the last tuning
waxen oyster
we are 3weeks away from raid, balance is a shitshow everywhere, they tune stuff ...
this is reminding me of the bellcurve meme
analog hornet
To understand: I place the mark... and when the mark disappears I have the buff... so always one of them, unless the 30 seconds of the buff expire? 😅
Than i have to place a new one 🤔
tall atlas
is there a list live rn with all the class sims
similar to simcraft but actually updated
void mesa
Even if there was you probably wouldnt want it x)
earnest remnant
tall atlas
i thought sin was popping off
royal lantern
i thought sin was popping off
assa does high overall dmg in duneons and very meh ST dmg
aka
m+ andys hype it into high heaves because suddenly dungeon overall is the most important thing ever
shy pecan
https://tenor.com/view/song-hye-kyo-now-we-are-breaking-up-hye-kyo-aniyo-disagre...
Aniyo
waxen oyster
is there a list live rn with all the class sims
Uless info
tall atlas
What’s the top of st atm
tall atlas
Uless info
I’d like to know
So it’s not useless
wtf
Like half the answers are just telling me question is stupid why don’t, if you don’t have the answer, stfu?
Thank you for those who have been helpful
earnest remnant
arcane mage
whole sand
tall atlas
arcane mage
Ty
tall jay
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waxen oyster
Like half the answers are just telling me question is stupid why don’t, if you d...
You ever stop to think why that's the case.
tall atlas
You ever stop to think why that's the case.
Information isn’t useless because you deem it so
I don’t care about the equation that calculates terminal velocity
But a base jumper probs does
void mesa
It's more that the information itself is... lacking foundation, extremely volatile and ever changing
Than it being "useless to you or someone else"
From what I've heard, half the sims are broken or incomplete, a lot of them have quite a few bugs, some specs themselves are also bugged, and tuning isnt even close to over
shy heron
only half are broken are incomplete? sim stonks rising
tall atlas
I mean there will be a general idea amongst those who compile the sim information which specs are going to be good
We have been simulating the game for like 10 years now
whole sand
yeah after they've consulted the tarot for the week for blizzard tuning
tall atlas
So the lack of foundation argument is invalid as we have the information the sets the items the numbers
runic hinge
but then it all changes tomorrow when blizz tunes again
void mesa
Big doubts
waxen oyster
Also sim results dont reflect
tall atlas
Week one tuning is another issue but just as it is now
tall atlas
Was just wondering
void mesa
So the lack of foundation argument is invalid as we have the information the set...
I would definitely argue you are wrong on that
runic hinge
outlaw simmed super high in amidrasil
tall atlas
what specs are actually good in raid
It usually does tho
whole sand
just come back next week after the blue post and ask again so we can do this all over again okay
pliant remnant
Outlaw best spec in Amirdrassil for sure
void mesa
What if blizz fixes bugs tmrw and sends out compensatory buffs/nerfs tmrw
waxen oyster
what if blizz randomly zoots a tier bonus
void mesa
Nothing we had yesterday is relevant anymore
tall atlas
Then the sims will change
waxen oyster
because funny
whole sand
bingo
pliant remnant
What are you doing with these running answers week to week
tall atlas
I’m asking right now as it stands
And your argument is yeah but what if it changes
What if it doesn’t?
tall atlas
Most likely
tall atlas
But that probably won’t change who is at or near the top
runic hinge
game isn't even officially out yet its definitely gonna change before mythic week
whole sand
man i can't wait for week 2 when they just say 'yeah we're actually good'
void mesa
I don't think this is worth arguing tbh
tall atlas
No it’s not
void mesa
But I'm glad you have your logic
tall atlas
You’re just being mean for no reason
void mesa
I'm not being mean what
tall atlas
I asked a question
tall atlas
Didn’t say you attacked me
tall atlas
Just being a big doodoo head
whole sand
you got told that the answer was useless then you told everyone to stfu
void mesa
Is disagreeing with someone's idea meaning that this person is mean to you
Everytime I interact here I'm forced to wonder about so many things
It's great
tall atlas
No I mean
I just thought it was a normal question
Didn’t expect a bunch of folk to tell me it was a stupid question
Which I don’t think it is
You might and that’s valid
But I’d still like to know the answer regardless of how you feel about the information
void mesa
One person said the info was useless, 3 ppl said No (which could be a No, there's no list)
I don't think the question is stupid or meaningless
But I definitely think the answer is unsuitable at this time
But yeah
tall atlas
True I would agree
But like
How much is it gonna change really
Maybe around the mid pack and whoever rhe king is might be replaced but
Generally will probs be kinda similar hopefully the top looks nice and yellow
tall atlas
Are a lot of them fucked?
earnest remnant
yup
tall atlas
Nice
void mesa
Its a brand new layer of things that can break
tall atlas
How oftren have patchwerk sim rankings
It’s not 1 to1 but it’s still one of the best indicators of spec performance we have without weeks of logs
waxen oyster
history says otherwise
tall atlas
If you say so I’ll take your word for it
plucky iron
Any recommended races for assassination rogue?
runic hinge
elf
unreal mauve
tauren/dwarf
worldly sail
gnome, mecha
arctic walrus
@earnest remnant do I force max cp for this gameplay
cunning needle
is there a list live rn with all the class sims
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=0#gid=0
if you want to read up on misinformation here is a sim list for you
fervent rune
going into a new group in m+ is it better to apply deathstalker by the big envenom or ambush?
bleak spoke
if you have the big env available i like it with that
definitely situations where it feels really awkward though, like in a way i constantly have this feeling pulling up to a new pack that i don't want to press either ambush or envenom at the moment but gotta do it 
dim yacht
hard agree, deathstalker just feels so weird in aoe
bleak spoke
also, i'm not sure if this is just supremely unlucky but i dont think the fok crit talents are working on CTW
cuz like i'm hitting and hitting and hitting dummies and my fok is 50% crit and my ctw is like 10
cunning needle
i feel i should say again - this is misinformation and should not be relied on
dim yacht
also, i'm not sure if this is just supremely unlucky but i dont think the fok cr...
have you ever had the mark not transfer? i might just be crazy, but i swear ive had mobs with the mark die and then not give the buff for me to do another with envenom
dim yacht
i also find it strange though that it requires max CP instead of 5
bleak spoke
and your mark just goes to nowhere
https://i.imgur.com/yiXxq1U.png (ignore the dmg breakdown i was doing something cooked)
dim yacht
its always been drilled in that if you have 5 cp you dont try to generate another
but now you have to
bleak spoke
we can't band spell ids now i guess
sure
i mean i guess it makes sense given none of our nature dmg stuff works on the plague dmg stuff
it's consistent i guess
dim yacht
another sad season for m+ sin, feelsbadman
hopefully it just gets giga tuned to make up for it
dim yacht
is it?
drifting cloud
cant be that bad if lettuce is hitting dummies
bleak spoke
hopefully it just gets giga tuned to make up for it
https://i.imgur.com/pZKeEef.png like just quick sims with cooked early access gear and s4 tier set so it's all fucked anyway like (the two sub sims for 5t patchwerk are dust vs dark brew)
i hope blizz doesn't have the feeling of "we can put off fixing these bugs because they're doing lots of dmg anyway" like
i feel like that often happens 
🔫
the punchline obviously is "yeah really non buggy spec, this trickster subtlety that i'm comparing sin to rn"
placid adder
You good?
dusk void
So the Wowhead article for BIS Gear has Treacherious Transmitter as BIS...then scroll down and you see it's D Tier lmao. Probably should fix that
fickle girder
So the Wowhead article for BIS Gear has Treacherious Transmitter as BIS...then s...
It's bis from the list of items that drop from the raid only, no other sources considered
dusk void
RIP, I can't read
fickle girder
Same tbh 
blazing tulip
Which alternative enchant is viable to use with the low lvl weapons?
night summit
balmy condor
ascension
storm forum
There's a hero talent that gives us extra cloak duration right?
balmy condor
choice node bottom left deathstalker
storm forum
Ty
nimble tartan
look at the mount i got omfggg
storm forum
choice node bottom left deathstalker
If the scenario for that node to be good ends up occurring, are we happy or sad?
haughty flicker
i need the mount that matches this pet
and i need more arathi gear to make a mog
haughty flicker
its a rare in hallowfall
also they need to make the lynxes fly
we have flying horses and all sorts of shit
just let everything fly
ground mounts arent even useful at the start of expac anymore
i'd have to do pvp or some shit to ever see it
dapper cradle
look at the mount i got omfggg
Meow meow pov
versed mica
We still sending finishers at 5 or more cps?
balmy condor
yes
spice mulch
still think about that one guy that spammed "pack it up we need to hear ret" imm...
fuck ret
balmy condor
amen
versed mica
how behind is fate in raid and M+?
balmy condor
in actual content like 2-3%
crystal maple
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How close are the stat weights this tier? Like are there situations where a crit/vers heavy profile makes Fatebound more desirable than guaranteed envenom crit hero talent tree (I don't remember names oops)
Or do both hero trees like all the stats enough where that's not a problem?
gusty wraith
Deathstalker just feels so weird to play around in M+, not being able to garrote the pack with rupture into anything feels weird. plus wihtout SD our only other way to use it is, is hope to get the nightfall buff off, or vanish into an ambush yea?
craggy haven
is fatebound good? i hate death stalker lol
severe sparrow
just to confirm, is whispyr's plater profile color change to green for spatter working for everyone else but me? im thinking i must have something else overwriting it somehow 
iron valve
Deathstalker just feels so weird to play around in M+, not being able to garrote...
wdym not being able to garrote the pack
onyx nymph
what are the bugs with deathstalker?
runic hinge
what are the bugs with deathstalker?
unreal mesa
Love your work @balmy condor
balmy condor
tyty
winged widget
they actually fixed a good amount
did they fix the anima charge not consuming a mark? 👀
onyx nymph
they actually fixed a good amount
do u think these bug fixes are going to make it so sin is a target for nerfs now?
that is if they werent already
balmy condor
did they fix the anima charge not consuming a mark? 👀
no
balmy condor
do u think these bug fixes are going to make it so sin is a target for nerfs now...
no, most of these are insanely tiny
the main thing is the ER deathstalker
which is countered by the darkest night fix they did before launch
so should all be roughly the same
slate crown
the main thing is the ER deathstalker
I wasn't sure, do we just ignore the fact that ER is bugged even if it is? Like we still just play as if it's not bugged with deathstalker?
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
winged widget
so, if it charges, say, the 4th CP, we just completely ignore it and focus on the mark mechanic?
floral vale
What does “the mark applied from darkest night” in the 3cp anima charge case? Does that mean it only works if the mark was applied from consuming darkest night buff, not if the mark was applied from ambush?
slate crown
<:Smile_Dog:837724110394097704>
shy pecan
yall lookin cute
no u
keen spruce
gn king
normal mist
<a:Kisses:1124743630981181550>
No you're cute
junior aurora
I came here to complain about deathstalker and saw a bunch of people beat me to it! Idc if it's a 2-3% dps loss I'll take fatebound any day, Deathstalker is horrid. Is anyone else experiencing the darkest night proc carrying over into pulling the next pack, forcing you to envenom at full cp over a second rupture? It feels so wrong. The whole dungeon is like walking a tightrope trying to make sure the stacks and capstone don't fall off and i'm saving my vanish charges just in case they do...is anyone actually enjoying this?
normal mist
I'm waiting for the game to release to be able to complain
past forum
i mean, normal dungeons are certainly not a great litmus test for how good a gameplay loop is, espcially one like sin that has historically had some ramp time
haughty flicker
it doesnt help that the mark just disappears if you kill the target with a dn envenom, which feels way worse now than it will in m+
since that will rarely, if ever, happen
i dont think it plays too badly
i just wish er worked with it
past forum
i have grievances with deathstalker and fatebound, for sure, but out of the box assassination is incredibly fun in all content so i'm not too upset about the state of things
winged widget
my issue with DS isn't how it changes what skills I wanna press at some point. 1 ambush out of stealth, or consuming darkest night before applying rupture, those are fine. my biggest issue with it is, in the rare moments the mark gets fucked, it feels EXTREMELY bad.
junior aurora
Yeah I'm malding for sure but it's just feelsbadman that it's so goofy to play but you get more dps from it
junior aurora
my issue with DS isn't how it changes what skills I wanna press at some point. 1...
For sure. I've been gar-gar-rupture with DN still up and then using SBS and another gar to apply the full cp envenom. By the time I get CT up the mob is already dead, which generally isn't going to be the case for M+. Idk what i'm actually supposed to be doing but the inclusion of darkest night carrying over between packs is kind of gross
tepid charm
POCKET GRENADE???
floral vale
since that will rarely, if ever, happen
It actually happened to me a lot on 10-12 keys on beta 😨
haughty flicker
idk at that point kinda sounds like a skill issue, just dont envenom the low health mob
currently you envenom a mob at full hp and it dies instantly
but in a 10-12 you have plenty of time to pick a different target
floral vale
idk at that point kinda sounds like a skill issue, just dont envenom the low hea...
Yeah true I mean it took a little bit of time to figure out that was what was happening. But also yeah that’s what whispyr said when I first complained about it 😂 “don’t do that then”
haughty flicker
it is annoying that its something you have to think about in the first place
floral vale
but in a 10-12 you have plenty of time to pick a different target
The problem there is a lot of the time you get a handful of mobs that are all low at the same time so to play around it you end up just not finishing your last envenoms of the pack sadge
But if the tank isn’t going to chain I’d just send it anyway and ambush next pack
It does add some cognitive load for sure
winged widget
I'm on full copium that some hero talents are simply gonna be reworked/replaced entirely by the time Midnight launches. So if I have to go through this xpac flipping coins in order to interfere the least with my Sin gameplay, so be it. Won't bother me much since I like current Sin. 
tepid charm
CRAFT 2 POCKET GRENADE???
normal mist
?
normal mist
CRAFT 2 POCKET GRENADE???
What's up
tepid charm
thorn fjord
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golden roost
Should deathstalker show up in details? I'm showing nothing. No stacks show up on my wa tracker. Anyone else have this issue?
ionic warren
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slate crown
But have you since?
slate crown
haughty flicker
what a time to be alive
slate crown
Go here and find the Weakauras.lua file
slate crown
rip
slate crown
it's all over
if you ever put lots of work into a weakaura
you should just make a wago page, you can make it private so only your account can access it
just serves as a back up place
haughty flicker
most of it was just edits i made to other peoples stuff, so it shouldnt take too long to fix
but i think i will be making that wago page lmao
haughty flicker
idek what caused it lmao
i just logged in, entered a dungeon to lvl sham, and realized everything was gone
unlucky
rotund oak
haughty flicker
my punishment for trying ele
rotund oak
normal mist
static glacier
zzzzzzzz
flint gulch
how close are sub and assa damagewise?
frozen iris
What bug did they fix?
rotund oak
some mods actually modying
on plague dmg and stuff
but im waiting for @silk bane on that on the actual gains
frozen iris
Ah I did not see it in the hotfixes
rotund oak
it was unclear,eleem said sims are broke
silk bane
but im waiting for <@639956635300790285> on that on the actual gains
wait what am i doing?
flint gulch
sub and assa are to only rogue i have a actual chance of playing to any deghree of sucess
rotund oak
wait what am i doing?
nothing u would be forced to just the thingy eleem said actually working now
silk bane
oh deathstalker plague damage?
rotund oak
yup
silk bane
yeah it works now
flint gulch
what would i macro with cold blood if the goal is to reduce buttons needed
rotund oak
what would i macro with cold blood if the goal is to reduce buttons needed
envenom
rotund oak
#Showtooltip Cold Blood (You can put Envenom here,tooltip is jut the icon u wanna appear on your bars be)
/Cast Cold Blood
/Cast Envenom
frozen iris
Hey sap was the bug that was fixed listed in known bugs doc?
rotund oak
idk my man,im waiting for the big boys to fish something out
but as far as sub goes plague dmg for deathstalker
actually benefits from mods
which should be a chonky amount of dmg
blazing plaza
that will be a buff for sub right ?
frozen iris
Mods? Like zoldyck?
rotund oak
its a direct dmg buff
flint gulch
As for the Orc racial do i still macro that with deathmark?
frozen iris
What is considered a mod in regards to this. Haven’t heard that term used in wow
balmy condor
mods are like shift/ctrl/alt
rotund oak
mod is a factor by which something is magnified or reduced or altered
no not the binds
balmy condor
it's a fancy way for people to say "a different keybind"
rotund oak
balmy condor
but in a way that makes them seem more intelligent
because they put it in a a macro
instead of an actual different bind
silk bane
mods are like shift/ctrl/alt
am i a mod?
balmy condor
no, you're armin1
silk bane
they called me blue armin
balmy condor
now you're green armin
normal mist
I pictured a digimon evolution
balmy condor
one more movement on the color wheel and you're gonna be yellow armin
another soul lost to outlaw gaming
flint gulch
outlaw would murder my hands in like 2 mins so i stay away from it
silk bane
one more movement on the color wheel and you're gonna be yellow armin
you either die a hero, or you live long enough to find yourself perma bitching about acro
torpid ridge
anyone know what ilvl we will need to queue for heroics?
flint gulch
i already need a downsized keyboard otherwise i wouldnt reach certain keys
rotund oak
you either die a hero, or you live long enough to find yourself perma bitching a...
or just lose ur sanity into the eternal ''high apm loop'' coz its fun 
flint gulch
this was one of the first expacs when rogue wasnt the first class i leveld to max this it was FDK
balmy condor
anyone know what ilvl we will need to queue for heroics?
think like 535 or something
heroic only drops 567 base
so you don't have to be gigachad geared
torpid ridge
think like 535 or something
ya i figured looking at the ilvl it drops we wouldnt need anything too crazy
blazing plaza
we will tier break with heroic gear ? guess not ?
rotund oak
sim
shy pecan
!tierbreak
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runic hinge
strong degenerate farming
i just love wow when it's new and fresh
whole sand
start of expansion ilvl rush was always dumb fun
rotund oak
i just love wow when it's new and fresh
i love it more now in general,its a big thing to not have a female breaking ur b@lls
so much more chill
waxen oyster
How do people have renown 6 with severed threads?
waxen oyster
What even gives threads rep from grinding?
runic hinge
waxen oyster
I did the sidequests and am only 5
runic hinge
questing is fun
waxen oyster
yeah that trinket seems ehhh
Not sure who i should get the 1500 rep thing from dungeon quest for
slate crown
questing is fun
Are you just doing all the side quests rn?
rotund oak
ive done dorn,hallowland and TRD
whole sand
is that the trinket i gotta buy the slots for
runic hinge
Are you just doing all the side quests rn?
yeah i finished the zone
slate crown
Nice
runic hinge
it's good
waxen oyster
What else even gives rep for them
runic hinge
good story down there
uhh i did world quests maybe 1 delve in that zone and then the story plus sojurner
whole sand
delves give rep??
waxen oyster
im assuming you used your coffer key
whole sand
everyone is saying save the keys tho
rotund oak
im assuming you used your coffer key
ofci did,why should i keep it,i get it back partially with the radiant echo
why would u keep anything
even valorstones
full send
wpns and trinkets
whole sand
i don't know if i have the mental game to do that
waxen oyster
i think i only got renown 5 from doing the zone's story+sidequests
unless tony did them on a second char
whole sand
i got 9 from dorn, about to get 7 and a halfish from ringing deeps
rotund oak
took all the epics
ringing deeps is the legit faction u wanna farm
2 epics
ez
its the assembly
rotund oak
yeah
told ya fam
i did all sidequests outside azjkahet
which im gonna finish today
blazing plaza
ofci did,why should i keep it,i get it back partially with the radiant echo
radiant echo ?
whole sand
don't they all have 2? besides threads
waxen oyster
not sure how he got 9 with threads though
i think im only 5 and i have the do all the sidequests achieve
rotund oak
radiant echo ?
yeah u get a radiant echo u can use and get back key fragments towards ur new key
whole sand
dorn has boots at 16 and shoulders at 7, if anything its easier to get that one than ringing deeps
rotund oak
and gear and resonatre crystals
rotund oak
dorn has boots at 16 and shoulders at 7, if anything its easier to get that one ...
depends the bountiful delves
desert cove
personally I'm saving mine until I get tier 8 delves
having free champion level gear will be nice
I have a blood dk friend that I'm gonna grind them with
whole sand
i feel like there's no reason to send them early - that rep is still going to be there when you cash them in, and the keys don't cap
the only bad thing would be the delves being in the wrong zones
rotund oak
u lose like 1 key in the long run if u fisnish 4 bountiful delves now bro
its not a big deal
desert cove
rotund oak
radiant echo exists
waxen oyster
i forget what radiant echo was
rotund oak
its a crystal u get from the chest
waxen oyster
also shadowed essence seems pretty strong a trinket
rotund oak
and use it on the map and complete the event
waxen oyster
for how low effort it is
runic hinge
unless tony did them on a second char
second char i leveled only dungeons, hasn't seen a zone other than the capital city
waxen oyster
not sure what you did to get threads rep then
runic hinge
me either
runic hinge
i killed every rare i saw
rotund oak
yup ik
haughty flicker
ah is cursed
slate crown
i did that dungeon quest and spent it on ringing
This quest is available this week? The weekly dungeon one?
whole sand
yes
sharp trellis
am i the only one that struggle to remember the ambush on pull ? 😄
slate crown
Fuck I need to do that tomorrow then
I dropped everything after hitting 80 to work on professions
And rep wqs
waxen oyster
is it weekly? says repeatable
slate crown
Thought so, it usually is each xpac
waxen oyster
Yeah it doesnt specify how frequent the repeatable part is
tropic tundra
am i the only one that struggle to remember the ambush on pull ? 😄
replace the stealth garrote keybind into ambush
problem solved
sharp trellis
Actually it's clever as we are not having second bar anymore on dance
fresh coyote
am i the only one that struggle to remember the ambush on pull ? 😄
Definitely not the only one.. I keep forgetting to use it for the second burst window.. 😭
balmy condor
what
why would you need to remember it for the second burst window
you have the capstone
grim jay
replace the stealth garrote keybind into ambush
Pretty bad if you actually play the capstone in m+ tho 
fresh coyote
Don't you have to Vansh, Ambush + Garrote before going back into Deathmark (brust window)? On about M+ btw. haha
grim jay
No
fresh coyote
Ah shit, okay. Haha.
grim jay
You optimally play the capstone after the first pack
Unless it drops under some circumstances
tropic tundra
ah
balmy condor
on paper you never ambush after the first time
tropic tundra
thought so
fresh coyote
Looked at your guide about an hour ago, Whispyr; trynna figure it all out. haha
tropic tundra
does it mean the whole tree loses value in a long long fight
probably just a sim question
grim jay
If you wanted to max cp envenom the 300k HP Mob tho, you gotta ambush again 
grim jay
does it mean the whole tree loses value in a long long fight
? How
thorn crater
dont you have the maxed out envenom to transfer to a new target?
from darkest night?
tropic tundra
wait...
thorn crater
you can just cast that on any target you want
grim jay
dont you have the maxed out envenom to transfer to a new target?
If you need to
thorn crater
and the mark moves on them
thorn crater
no?
rotund oak
lol..
grim jay
so am I supposed to 7cp envenom every kb
You are supposed to 7 Cp envenom every single time you got DN
And went through your stacks
balmy condor
grim jay
rotund oak
<:NotLikeThis:477538881911390228>
imagine after writting the guides and all and do all the videos and the yapping and explaining
fresh coyote
on paper you never ambush after the first time
I just properly read Darkest Night.. I'm actually stupid. 😂 😭
waxen oyster
pray blizz fixes ER deathstalker
rotund oak
balmy condor
I just properly read Darkest Night.. I'm actually stupid. 😂 😭
it's okay you're like the 47th person that hasn't read the capstone
it's a.... troubling trend
grim jay
pray blizz fixes ER deathstalker
They fixed a bit of it atleast, so there is hope
waxen oyster
It’s really funny to me
rotund oak
They fixed a bit of it atleast, so there is hope
yup its getting there
rotund oak
deathstalker has some stuff u need to be aware of
waxen oyster
i actually feel like mark+darkest night+clear the witnesses only actual things
rotund oak
like when DN triggers and how to send
thorn crater
im starting tomorrow so for the early access people: how does flipping coins feel?
waxen oyster
rest of deathstalker tree is passive
thorn crater
havent seen gameplay of it the concept though kind of triggers me cause of the dice on law
thorn crater
so you dont have to worry about shit?
rotund oak
i actually feel like mark+darkest night+clear the witnesses only actual things
DN actually is all,just need to be aware
thorn crater
or get annoyed your coins get reset or sth?
balmy condor
nah, you don't need to think at all with coins
waxen oyster
Uhh
tropic tundra
thats just rng part
waxen oyster
Dont snd with a target selected in stealth out of combat
hallow token
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