assassination

[balmy condor]

idk, maybe some degenerate found something better but I cba optimizing adventurer gear in pre-release

[jolly crater]

ye thats true i mean like the scenario before, where i get pull into pull withput carnage

[balmy condor]

well in that scenario you would want to rupture stuff anyway regardless of bone spike

[waxen oyster]

true its just adventurer gear

did it drop 2/8

[jolly crater]

sure, but i have to rupture, fan/mutilate rupture and so an if i want to get it active on multi targets, if i got 2 bonespike stacks i could rupture into rupture

[balmy condor]

yes that's how the talent works

it doesn't change any rotational thing

it just gives you instant cp that you would've generated anyway

[gleaming geyser]

straight up borks sims

[jolly crater]

right

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

yes it's unsupported

[gleaming geyser]

ill have to find some other rando trinket to sim tier vs no tier

[balmy condor]

yeh

also turn off food buff

it's uh

[fallen palm]

i have seen a lot of different guides for assa rogue and all of those have different talents.

which one you recommend

[raw marlin]

@balmy condor m+ video tonight?

[balmy condor]

tomorrow probably, haven't recorded yet

[balmy condor]

there's a bunch of viable talents to play, generally recommend something like this as an all-around/mythic+ option right now

can find it on wowhead under delve and hybrid

[fallen shore]

omw

wish me luck

whispyr whats the most important stuff to be ahead with my rogue i should be doing rn

[upper wraith]

!wa

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[fallen shore]

after lvl 80

[balmy condor]

W

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor did you make a spreadsheet already with bis ?

[balmy condor]

generally just delve/normal spam

[fallen shore]

nvm

[fallen shore]

k just that then

[balmy condor]

I don't make spreadsheets anymore they're not worth the time or effort and just end up riddled with inaccuracy

[fallen shore]

imma spam normal k

[balmy condor]

bis doesn't help anyone

[fallen shore]

anyon here down to send a group to spam

[balmy condor]

big upgrade yep

[wind falcon]

are you guys getting 2x Special Assignment WQs? I've only seen the one in Ringing Deeps

[slate crown]

One of them expired

On friday

[dense cove]

@wind falcon i experienced the same issue

ahh well that's why then lol

[wind falcon]

well damn 😄

I was too busy lvling alts

[south citrus]

dont forget the darkmoon fiar 577 trinkets, only a few k gold on ah

[wind falcon]

which is the best of the bunch? ascension or whatever?

[balmy condor]

yeh

you'd replace them pretty quickly

[cloud basin]

when do we get sparks?

[iron valve]

if you're going to get a darkmoon deck, check for the cards first - was much cheaper on my realm

[nimble tartan]

sin is so comfyy

relaxin

[balmy condor]

probably with season 1 release

[strange python]

anyone having issues logging in right now?

[balmy condor]

yep

NA is dying

[strange python]

RIP, ty

[slate crown]

So don't log off?

[manic pebble]

server is dead

[balmy condor]

nop

if you log off you're doomed

[fallen shore]

what part of the map is assemblyof the deeps

[dense cove]

looks like might be back up, i'm back in

[balmy condor]

it's like the top middle

the main faction

[tame nymph]

Do we know how comparable these are to whetstones?

I'd think they're fairly good for aoe

[balmy condor]

they're worse

[scarlet spade]

any of these darkmoon trinkets worth it?

[balmy condor]

they're good ilvl sticks

[raven egret]

getting there, slowly

[balmy condor]

that's actually big ilvl holy

[raven egret]

biggest bump are the renown Veteran pieces

[boreal flame]

Assa still in front of Sub on dungeons?

[raven egret]

that is a question that I don't think we'll have a clear answer to until the season is ongoing

[royal lantern]

i mean

people kinda forgot that you can just upgrade shit with valor and WQ upgrade tokens

which makes the entire Ilvl craze even more hilarious

[balmy condor]

don't think they forgot

think they saw a big spooky google doc tell them they can't play the game in red font

[royal lantern]

like, idk

got a WQ dagger, upgraded it a couple times, 590 weapon now

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

meanwhile people ask for gearing spreadsheets

[raven egret]

considering M0s will drop veteran pieces, they will already be past Weathered crests. SO I will be using my own weathered crests liberally up to their 593 cap

[balmy condor]

I don't have valorstones for my gear

[calm path]

Hey guys, back again to ask a question i have trouble finding answers (a bit overwhelmed). What do you need to track specificly ? Enhanced garrot to vanish and re-enhanced garrot ? KB ? anything else ?

[raven egret]

not on explorer pieces mind you

[balmy condor]

track on like your target with wa's or in aoe?

[calm path]

Both i guess ?

solo target first as its easier for me to understand

[neat vapor]

whats best talent tree for assa rog m+ ? on wowhead 😄

[balmy condor]

debuff wise gar/rup/ct/env/kb/shiv
resource wise energy/combo points

[raven egret]

No way they reset what we have to season start right... right!?!?!

[royal lantern]

OH NO, I WONT BE CAPPED FOR THE RESOURCE THAT I WILL CAP 20X OVER WHILE DOING A COUPLE M+ RUNS FOR GEAR

[kindred hinge]

Hey guys, is there any useful WA to track everything that need to be tracked outside the classic publik/luxos etc?

[balmy condor]

!wa

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[kindred hinge]

Cheers

[balmy condor]

all the suggested ones are here

[calm path]

Thanks Whispyr, ill name my first child after you

[balmy condor]

wouldn't suggest it

[normal mist]

too late

[balmy condor]

living in NA with a name like Jannick was hell growing up

cannot recommend

people see a J at the front of your name and tweak the fuck out

[vale shore]

oh, I was picturing a kindergarten class with like three "Whispyrs" in it

[royal lantern]

btw, how do you turn voice channels off

actually went into a alt and its on, and i cant find the option to turn it off

[neat vapor]

like now rogue wont be playable with kingsbane ? bcs where is shadow dance on assa

[nimble tartan]

boys do i sell this for 200k

or equip it

[shy pecan]

Sell

[normal mist]

sell

[raven egret]

Uhm, thats not how it works? You will use it, just... without dance

[wicked vapor]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

can't suggest that either, I replaced an e for a y in my name and now no one can spell it

[shy pecan]

Easiest 200k

[balmy condor]

I'm cooked fr

[royal lantern]

huh

[hearty reef]

Whuspyr

[royal lantern]

isnt that a world qust drop

[vale shore]

Hey guys, I was confused on rogue. We just stab things until they die, right?

[nimble tartan]

it was from somethin i forgot

i opened a little thing and it popped out

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

i got it from a WQ as a normal reward lol

[raven egret]

I don't know stuff just keeps bleeding out to death around me. Curious...

[balmy condor]

makes sense to me

[vale shore]

sometimes I stab things so hard, things next to them start bleeding too!

[raven egret]

[normal mist]

makes sense

[kindred hinge]

I am trying to learn the openers before the launch, if I had one to train for muscle memory would you recommend the fast one or the full one ?

[normal mist]

full

[kindred hinge]

In aoe foor M+*

[royal lantern]

full

[balmy condor]

idk what full or fast means in this context and I'm the one that made the openers

[royal lantern]

cus if you understood why you do stuff, you kinda know what you should do in all other situations

[balmy condor]

am lost

help

[normal mist]

idk either but its always better to know the full shit

[neat vapor]

any tips how to fast gear up before wow will be open for all 😄 to skip rdf and rhdf

[normal mist]

play

[raven egret]

big play

[royal lantern]

help me finding out where you turn voicechat off

[balmy condor]

more acronyms I don't know

wtf is rhdf

[vale shore]

garrote everything, rupture everything, bonespike up to three things, get slice and dice up, go to town

[kindred hinge]

You named them fastest to slowest not full true mb 😄

[hexed matrix]

red heavy dragon flight surely

[balmy condor]

brother those are concepts to apply to a given situation, not just blind copy-paste openers

[vale shore]

oh work a crimson tempest in there too

[balmy condor]

don't the settings have a search feature now

[royal lantern]

its blizzard

[strange python]

Mobs low hp get cds of faster, mobs higher hp set up everything before cds big tldr

[kindred hinge]

I know thanks, just trying to loose my muscle memory from Sub, will apply accordingly later it is more to train the different sequence

[raven egret]

just click that headset off?

[vale shore]

with all the dot spreading we have access to now, its almost the same muscle memory as sub

[balmy condor]

my suggestion is always to learn it in chunks instead of a rigid sequence, things like seal fate will naturally fuck over muscle memory tbh

but whatever works

take one of the images and go to town

[vale shore]

instructions unclear, I dotted everything up and then went back to town. Now there is no one to fight

[hexed matrix]

did you take an image

[balmy condor]

peace has been achieved

you can rest now

[raven egret]

have you tried insulting the nearest bar patrons, I'm sure theres still some fight left somewhere

[royal lantern]

alkways turns itself on again

[balmy condor]

there's no more wars left to craft

[royal lantern]

thats why im asking

[vale shore]

haha did you guys find the little nook in Dornagal with the displaced rogues hanging out?

[raven egret]

oh... well uh... GL bud, I'm rooting for you!

[normal mist]

spoiler :C

i'm not safe here

[wintry jackal]

So it is just me or does rogue feel sad and not fun

[normal mist]

just you

[vale shore]

just you

rogues feel happy and fun

[mortal badger]

just you

[wintry jackal]

Why is every other hero talent like 150% better

[normal mist]

because they need to be cool

we're already cool

[vale shore]

although I admit I gave up on deathstalker, too easy to lose it and get locked out of the thing

[hexed matrix]

i like percentages in this comparison of feelings

[vale shore]

now I throw coins around like a generous benefactor

[wintry jackal]

Death stalker has to be one of the worst feeling abilities I've played in all my years

[vale shore]

being forced to open with ambush is bad, why not any opener?

[fallen shore]

The shit about that is that kyrian combo point doesnt work with it

[balmy condor]

feels a bit extreme when things like exsanguinate existed

[kindred hinge]

Cheers, will try that out then

[wintry jackal]

At least that felt like it did something

[raven egret]

Hey it is true our hero talents are the opposite of fun, but we still are rogues and love being rogues!

[hexed matrix]

wtf? lol

[balmy condor]

deathstalker does a lot of thing

many thing

[hexed matrix]

youre saying hitting a 1 mil envenom feels like NOTHING compared to EXSANGUINATE????

is this why they call it the war within?

[wintry jackal]

I've been a rogue for 19 years I'm not planning on giving up now

[vale shore]

yeah but it your capstone envenom that is supposed to reset the mark kills the target, you dont get the mark back!

[wintry jackal]

I just see all these pallies and mages having so much fun it's like that squidward meme

[balmy condor]

I'm having fun

[vale shore]

me too

[normal mist]

we've seen so many 19 years rogue mains lately

this expansion is bringing the rogues together

[raven egret]

Hey don't talk bad about mages main character of the story

[vale shore]

if being a rogue were the military, I could put in a retirement packet now

[wintry jackal]

I was just needing some encouragement

[normal mist]

you can do it man

i believe in you

[wintry jackal]

Ill go back to flipping my coins

[normal mist]

No one else but you

[hexed matrix]

when theyf ix the bugs i think it will be great

[normal mist]

go get them tiger

[vale shore]

its nuts how much heavy lifting Sudden Demise does in dungeons now

[balmy condor]

if being a rogue were the military, invading a foreign country and killing an entire ethnic group would be fun

[vale shore]

doing easily 80% of my damage

[wintry jackal]

I was so down today I almost switched to combat

[balmy condor]

that's what the military does, right

[wintry jackal]

Or outlaw whatever

[normal mist]

sounds like you've been around Mathias lately

[balmy condor]

normals

[vale shore]

haha yeah

[balmy condor]

I beat my record from 2 days ago

[vale shore]

still worth taking if thats all there is to queue for

[balmy condor]

had a paladin tank

that managed to do all of priory in 2:27

pretty sick

[vale shore]

oh, was he level 70?

[balmy condor]

ye

[vale shore]

yeah its crazy how level 70s can carry level 80s through the normals

[amber trellis]

any good wa or plater script

[balmy condor]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

[spare otter]

If i play with 1 shiv, do I delay the shiv use so it fits the end of the kingsbane window?

[balmy condor]

ye

[balmy condor]

are you having fun

if even tryan is able to have fun

expansion is a success

[royal lantern]

no

deathstalker/fatebound are the opposite of fun

[balmy condor]

unlucky

we'll try again next expac

[raven egret]

no way, mid-expac hero talents complete reworks!

I've been having fun, the copium tastes better

[royal lantern]

cant wait for blizz trying to unfuck stuff for 70% of the expansions run time again, just to put ANOTHER system on top of it that is barely tested

[raven egret]

Look, Fun rogue gameplay!

[royal lantern]

->not using the artifact fishing rod

[raven egret]

artifact fishing rod sucks, don't @ me

[dense cove]

are lvl 3 delves dropping gear without using coffer keys?

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

554 gear

[raven egret]

you get better gear from questing and WQs, doing delves to cap Brann's level is worth for now without a key

[balmy condor]

Idk what brann levels do I'm gonna be real

he's so giga pointless

[normal mist]

I just find it funny all this min max from some people to gear up before content releases will be totally worthless once m0 + raid comes out (not caling anyone out, but even in game ive seen people talk about it)

[raven egret]

yeah tbh, neither do I. But hey we might need him in higher rank delves later on. Might.

[balmy condor]

when blizzard said they were nerfing him

[hexed matrix]

its just something to do tbh

[balmy condor]

I spit out my drink

how are you nerfing something that already does nothing

[normal mist]

i respect that, but using spreadsheets for that

[hexed matrix]

some people enjoy it

[raven egret]

meh from my pov its just doing bare minimum to be as ready as I can be.

[hexed matrix]

to each their own man

[raven egret]

I used my spreadsheet to spread information to my people!

[normal mist]

good on you 😛

[raven egret]

and they don't listen

[normal mist]

LOL

[raven egret]

and still ask.. the same questions... over and over...

[normal mist]

tbf its the same here

[hexed matrix]

on that topic, whispyr idk how the hell you keep your sanity. youre a saint.

[normal mist]

he's gone mad quite some time ago

[slate crown]

That's the fun part

he doesn't

[hexed matrix]

lmao

[raven egret]

Completely insane already indeed

[hexed matrix]

but really i sincerely admire the effort

[royal lantern]

he pulls you out of stealth

[normal mist]

his haircount doesnt

[waxen oyster]

people spam content when it doesnt matter

[hexed matrix]

i do a lot of tech and admin help for work, and this is a whole new level of that type of responding to dumb q's.

[waxen oyster]

then complqin about burnout

a month later

a classic

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-high-tweaking-gif-5852993

[normal mist]

Yeah its quite awesome isnt it? xD

To be fair there are no stupid questions

[balmy condor]

wrong

[hexed matrix]

wrong

lmao

[normal mist]

unless you're actively trying to be stupid

[balmy condor]

there's an insane amount of stupid questions

an uncountably large amount of stupid questions

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[balmy condor]

that's like the saying "the customer is always right"

[raven egret]

"The BiS listed boots are not dropping for me, is my DPS screwed?"

[balmy condor]

and 99% of the time, they are definitely not right

[hexed matrix]

yeah i always correct people at work who say there are no dumb questions. i said, thats because you know WHEN to ask questions and when NOT to ask them. if you dont know, its a dumb question...

[normal mist]

thats being stupid xD

[raven egret]

but... they exist!

[shy pecan]

Where can I find builds about M+ that won’t start for another few weeks? Is sin the best spec for rogue? Why is my damage so low when I can’t restealth? What’s the best stats for sin? Should I play deathstalker or fatebound? What’s my rotation for sin?

[waxen oyster]

reminds me of the bell curve meme

[normal mist]

Fine y'all beat me to it

[balmy condor]

my favorite is when I get asked if there's a good guide, and then I link wowhead, and then they go "wowhead guide sucks, where's your guide", and then I have to go "I wrote that guide", and then they don't respond

[normal mist]

Happened today

[next spruce]

Is there a guide, I won't be clicking any links. Thank you

[balmy condor]

happens like 2-3 times a week in dms

[normal mist]

ANOTHER ROYAL (again)

[hexed loom]

Does anyone know if it's possible to setup plater to not show my poisions on a targets nameplate and only my bleeds?

[raven egret]

brah just give them the link to your REAL guide. The secret... Shadow Guide. The one you keep super hidden and secret

[shy pecan]

Where’s a good guide?

[next spruce]

Hello friend

[normal mist]

Hello friend

[royal lantern]

if you want a real answer:

TWW feels.....weird?

yes, the story part feels more fleshed out, and many of the sidequests are genuinely good

but the actual GAMEPLAY part that matters after the first 2 weeks? oof

Hero trees are 1 of the biggest letdowns they did in a LONG time, its shocking how many of them are just really really bad in all regards, rogue is just in a funny place where all 3 suck in all ways

dungeons feel like a gigantic shitshow, idk who made these and thought "yeha, this is gonna be fun!!!!" when every pack has 20 casters, the first week of m+ will be fun when all those crackhead tanks still try to pull 3 packs at once and everyone just evaporates in 2 seconds

visual clarity is on a alltime low

raid looks like a clusterfuck when im looking at the raidprep my RL has to do, bruh wtf are they doing there

[raven egret]

[balmy condor]

gratz or sorry

[normal mist]

oof

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

there's a setting where you can blacklist buffs/debuffs

[royal lantern]

asked and you shall recive

Bozo

[languid tide]

someone asked for dagger/trinket raremob i just found this ( perchfather in hallowfall)

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's a wq/random drop

[dense cove]

do the items that drop off the rares depend on your characters ilvl?

[runic hinge]

does this count feral druids

what about stealthi

[next spruce]

I haven't checked in here for a while, but does Deathstalker feel clunky and kinda awful in dungeons?

[runic hinge]

I don't think things live long enough for it to feel good rn

[next spruce]

That's fair

Things die so fast

[balmy condor]

I don't think so? I know world quest item level scales with character but idk about rares themselves

[next spruce]

Been great with sudden demise

[vale shore]

what did we decide is the best darkmoon deck trinket?

[royal lantern]

is "dont waste gold on them" a deck?

[vale shore]

I got this off a rare when I was level 74, couldnt equip it until lvel 80. so not tied to ilvl

[raven egret]

Yes.

[vale shore]

they are super cheap and the highest ilvl trinkets around

[hexed matrix]

LMAO

[rotund oak]

Very s@xy

me like

[raven egret]

And I mean, they are so damn cheap on my server too XD

[balmy condor]

it's funny you say the story part is more fleshed out when the campaign was one of the biggest misses of the expansion so far to me. Felt like it just kinda went through the motion without really explaining any of what was happening. Hallowfall and early Azj-kahet especially felt insanely rushed and the campaign didn't really expand on any of the world building. Like without doing a side quest, early Azj-kahet you get saved by the bat woman, you're introduced to the black blood, her friends get pissed at her for saving you, and that's the end of that entire story arc in the campaign and you gotta backtrack and go out of your way to do side quests to explain everything. That feels insanely jank to me

[gusty pewter]

what renow is better up for assa?

[rotund oak]

assembly then council

[shy pecan]

Isn’t the story still locked because it’s still early release?

[mortal badger]

renown minmaxing

[rotund oak]

assembly to 8 arathil to 7

for 3 free epics

[balmy condor]

the zone stories that took you to 80?

[rotund oak]

oh and council to 7

thats 4

4 epics

[shy pecan]

Is it just those?

[royal lantern]

tbh, we have an entire mainstory ahead of us, the leveling part mostly is just setup

like, if you check your map, it says that the TWW part actually just starts now, and most of those things will probably play a part there/in future patches (cus lets be honest, the black blood stuff is gonna be a big Void/old god thing)

[next spruce]

I gave the story a chance this time, it was boring AF and just the same narrative we've seen for a while. Some things were cool, but just meh

[balmy condor]

those are the ones I have a problem with

[delicate egret]

Do we still run the opener shown on icy-veins on AoE?

[vale shore]

the latest Chronicle volume states in no uncertain terms that Azeroth was infested with FIVE old gods

[raven egret]

hey personally I just can't get over how dumb Faerin's shield and.. micro ... lance thing weapon... are. Drives me nuts. And it's a stupid thing to be driven nuts about! but here we are

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I thought there was more than what we saw though

[vale shore]

I hope the mechagnomes make her an awesome terminator arm by the end of the expansion

[balmy condor]

without knowing what it is, yep opener is good

[lunar oracle]

Ill preface: im dumb (when it comes to theorycrafting etc). Whats with this build? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFRAVUVQmJBQCQRNVUVVFEZEQFKFUBFEVVVUCFA

I do see it in high keys etc but I havent found it in many guides so far.

[balmy condor]

nah

[shy pecan]

Ah RIP. Then yeah, not the greatest

[balmy condor]

thats the hybrid build but it wastes 4 points on the class tree

[vale shore]

so many boss pulse a "knock everyone out of stealth on the pull" ability, it makes Deathstalker unplayable far more than it's playable

[balmy condor]

and also takes a weird deathstalker talent

[raven egret]

don't ever link this build again

[balmy condor]

I didn't even see that

[vale shore]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-baldur's-gate-3-baldur's-gate-my-beloved-shadowheart-my-beloved-gif-15220474770414965689

[balmy condor]

oh and tricks

mama mia

[raven egret]

Dear talent, why couldnt you be more like my true Shadowheart, my true love

[next spruce]

So many mobs in the dungeons have been pulling me out of stealth and I'm going crazy from it

[lunar oracle]

Me neither 😄

[vale shore]

I completely gave up on deathstalker due to it

it was like having no hero talents at all

[lunar oracle]

Noticed this aswell, hard to open from stealth.

[balmy condor]

I'm not ambushing from stealth more than like twice a dungeon

[next spruce]

Its awful out there trying to keep your stealth

[balmy condor]

[neat plank]

how many hours left till heroics? 😛

[vale shore]

a day or so's worth

[balmy condor]

like 27 idk

[vale shore]

and they will only drop ilvl equivalent to what you can buy on the auction house

[round trout]

!wa

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[raven egret]

well, I found questing as Deathstalker to be.. ah.... not a thing that you'd want to do lol. But in dungeons? Thing is stuff dies so quick you are stuck focusing on doing max lvl Envenom all the time just to get mark back up XD

[kindred hinge]

How is Shiv (1 stacks) used outside of the Kingbane window ? In in the KB window Wowhead guide says to do it for the last 8 sec of KB but the opener in the beta info here put it before KB (Is it when you have two stacks?)

[vale shore]

I save all my shivs for kingsbane

[balmy condor]

outside of kb window it's on cd

1 stack shiv is just last 8 of kb, on cd, last 8 kb, on cd

[kindred hinge]

Thanks ! Better not miss then to not delay kb

[runic hinge]

so you're a coin gamer

????

[vale shore]

Wealthstalker

[next spruce]

Aaaaand that's when KB gets parried

[vale shore]

better than deathstalker

[raven egret]

Not willingly! I actively try to convince myself we have no hero talents and we're just that good without em

[kindred hinge]

Another question, I understand that echoing reprimand is on CD in ST, is that the same on aoe after the initial window of burst ?

[runic hinge]

I have been playing the coin and the best part is just not caring about it at all

[next spruce]

I gave up on trying to upkeep Deathstalker in low lvl content. Fatebound works passively and I can fire and forget. I hate the theme, but it works better for now

[balmy condor]

yep

[kindred hinge]

Thanks again for the help and taking time to answer

[balmy condor]

np

[vale shore]

you can get the 7 stack captone pretty reliably out in the world with the two you get from stealth

plus two from cold blood

[next spruce]

I forgot about CB lol

Forgot to talent into that when I swapped

[vale shore]

its much better with the hero talent making it work on the next two envenoms

it can be heartbreaking having the capstone in a dungeon and then it falling off because people dont pull the next pack within 10 seconds

[next spruce]

Yeah, but fire mages have felt that for years lol. It's not new for wow

Just a tank diff

[vale shore]

if we had the permanent, long range, tricks of the trade from trickster, WE could be the ones pulling!

[balmy condor]

they hotfixed it to 15 seconds

[raven egret]

Behold, PEAK rogue gameplay!

[vale shore]

oh, that fixes it entirely
no notes

[raven egret]

they did? 🤔

[balmy condor]

no I just said that to bait everyone for fun

I love making things up

[keen mantle]

im playing sub for lvlup and outdoor activities. ppl asking all day if assa is dead

[next spruce]

[keen mantle]

what should i tell them

[raven egret]

hey tooltip doesnt say 15 I'm just checkin!

Stranger things have happened!

[balmy condor]

tooltips are on a freeze

cause localization and shit for expac release

[balmy condor]

tell them to touch some grass

[raven egret]

Tell them; The eagles are coming.

[keen mantle]

i need a story for assa

like bugs are fixed its over and shit

should work

[next spruce]

Eagle inbound

[raven egret]

Nah, just, blurt something random out, and don't answer any other questions.

[iron valve]

once upon a time

[hearty reef]

Ok whic of the 2 is sarcasm

[balmy condor]

both

it's 15 seconds

[sonic zinc]

theres no way to apply deathstalkers mark if u have no vanish / cant open from stealth and u dont have darkest night right

[vale shore]

it could be a minute and you would still have groups that let it fall off

[vale shore]

and if the empowered envenom from darkest night kills the target you dont get it back either

that combined with all the bosses that knock out stealth on pull, deathstalker is looking pretty unplayable for me

[raven egret]

I mean.. its definitely the tree with the most 'fail' states in the game, I believe. Still gonna work out in quite a few situations but yeah, I'm pretty much on the side of; rogue hero talents needs an intervention already anyway

[sonic zinc]

ye

i tried sub trickster for a bit and was like nope

just nope to coup

at least fatebound u dont even think about it 🙂

[vale shore]

fatebound would be perfect if there was a loud, awesome animation for the capstone procing

[sonic zinc]

literally couldve just had beacon beam proc

just a beam from the sky

of cosmic power

[next spruce]

So many other cool hero talents for other classes. Here we are, flipping coins for damage

[vale shore]

tails flips too, some kind of shadow-cosmic effect

[raven egret]

would be perfect if there was no coin flip bullshit going on but eh, close enough!

[polar sinew]

Anyway why play fatebound when deathstalker exists? x)

[vale shore]

you cant be locked out of your coin flips by a bad pull or checks notes killing the target with the capstone

[normal mist]

Because right now fatebound can be better

[subtle tundra]

Cause deaths talker is incredibly annoying

[normal mist]

because mobs dont live long enough

[polar sinew]

Well only for now 😄

[polar sinew]

Not that much, it's easy to set up and to put on others targets in multi I think

[vale shore]

go run some dungeons with it and come back

[polar sinew]

I play only deathstalker

Never touched yet fatebound

[mortal badger]

[short fox]

how to get fast renown in dornogal

[raven egret]

Rogue stonks rise up

[vale shore]

did you tell him you have not trained lockpicking up yet?

[raven egret]

Do the questing thing

[short fox]

wich one?

[vale shore]

all of them

[raven egret]

^

[subtle tundra]

The agenda will continur

[magic thorn]

Does improved Garrote Snapshot the bleed or is the 50% only during the 6 Seconds ?

[slate crown]

Snapshot

It's our only snapshot effect

[mellow rivet]

Hey guys, I am wondering about the rotation. In the WoW-Head guide it is stated on the one hand "Deathstalker AoE" to start with Garrote when you have "Darkest Night" (which you probably have most of the time). On the other hand it is stated on the sequence to start with ambush to trigger "Deathstalkers Mark". In a normal mythic+ sitation, what should I open with?

[nova aspen]

does anyone have the tricks WA so i dont need to make the tank my focus

[shy pecan]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[nova aspen]

thx

[raven egret]

If you dont have Darkest Night ready; ambush. If you have Darkest Night ready; garotte

[past forum]

generally speaking, the only pull you dont have darknest night available is the first pull, where you ambush. otherwise garrote. however, if you die, you accidentally use DN on a critter and bug the proc, if the tank turbo griefs you and has a quick wank or something in the middle of a key, or something else like that, then you ambush.

[raven egret]

as long as you know that you will be able to cast a max 7 CP envenom before Darkest Night ends, safe to garotte

[mellow rivet]

Okay, thanks guys

[normal mist]

no problem

[raven egret]

that said still absurd we have to ambush at all instead of garotte but eh, here we are!

[past forum]

coming from someone who doesnt mind using clear the witnesses proc in single target, the random ambush in the opener is pretty cringe

[shy pecan]

Probably would have more bugs if you have garrote being the trigger

[raven egret]

I just felt sick being reminded of clear the witness

[raven egret]

that in no way justify how convoluted our stuff is lol

[past forum]

imo the best version of dsm is an off gcd ability with a medium-ish cd, that way we have agency with swapping mark to a prio add spawn and dont have to rely on darkness night

but after seeing the discourse about all the "button bloat" we already have, i think people would riot over having another

[subtle tundra]

Make it the same as spatter for all I care

[spring socket]

is the bubbling wax any good for us ?

[raven egret]

eh? what bubbling wax?

[past forum]

like, a fetish thing?

[spring socket]

lol

[raven egret]

bit too kinky for me

[spring socket]

its a poison from a quest

[raven egret]

link? screenshot?

[haughty flicker]

oh is that what happened to that thing

[raven egret]

I have no clue what you talking about so need context

[spring socket]

d

[haughty flicker]

i remember people thought it was going to be like a weapon rune

[raven egret]

thats a, one way to sahre a screenshot

[spiral steeple]

i think it is a weapon consumble

that guys just smoked too much xd

[spring socket]

i wish

[haughty flicker]

if it comes from a quest its almost certainly worthless

[spiral steeple]

should also be pickpoketable after u do the quest

[spring socket]

u pickpocket them after a chain

[haughty flicker]

yeah my point still stands

imagine if rogue bis consumable came from pickpocketing

[spiral steeple]

yeah doubt it viable

and if it is gonna be nerfed

[haughty flicker]

fun to know there is something though for pickpocketing

[raven egret]

pretty sure I did the quest

and sold the thing XD

but havnt pick pocketed one since

best thing Ive pick pocketed so far are void pebbles

[royal lantern]

i still say

rupture should apply the mark

rupture is a ability that assa and sub share, and it fits the "mark your enemy" thematic

and both use it early on their main target

[raven egret]

almost anything that isn't stealth based ambush would be better

[limber lion]

I think it should be removed and reworked entirely

Rupture would feel like a lazy solution

[royal lantern]

well, yeha OFC

but it would be so much better then ambush

[limber lion]

Like Rupture has no conditions whatsoever

So the mark just kinda... happens without any thought

[royal lantern]

and ambush doesnt have them aswell

[past forum]

blizz: best i can do is buff it til it's the better simming option

[royal lantern]

cus you apply it once and then it stays for the entire fight

[limber lion]

At least now you have to actively think about it

Which is better than an entirely passive thing

Just unlucky that we play a class that the devs don't care about as much

Gonna probs level as a mage whenever I get the expansion

If I do

[haughty flicker]

i leveled as hunter

summoning an owl to piss on people is better than deathstalker

[royal lantern]

lvling a arms warrior rn

slayer, which is a 200% passive tree, feels so much beeter then poopstalker

like, yo ucant get more passive then slayer lol

[raven egret]

ok yeah so you can pick pocket them off kobolds

that said

those use the weapon oil enchant spot

also also, I don't remember seing sharpening stone on blacksmithing no more?

[frozen iris]

Hate to join the dooming group but i am not having fun. Never mained a class outside of rogue and it sucks that we couldnt something cooler than fatebound or Deathstalker

20 years as a rogue and its just not that fun'

[earnest remnant]

i dont really mind Deathstalker for Assa, leans into my favorite thing of massive finishers, same for Trickster sub both are nice, they ofc have their rough edges that really should be figured out asap

[raven egret]

rough edges is one way of saying it lol

[spiral steeple]

yeah agreed would be fun if not for the bugs (eg: not working with animacharged points)

[royal lantern]

it would help if:

the ER thing would get fixed

the re-application would not force you to go akwardly max CP all the time

the original application of the mark would be different

[raven egret]

WE dont know if thats a bug, I think thats intended on their end

[earnest remnant]

personally i think that needing to do a max cp finisher is nice

[raven egret]

for some reason

[earnest remnant]

changes the thought process slightly

[fiery bear]

only if it worked with all finishers or atleast with rupture also it would be great.

[earnest remnant]

For Assa they just need to fix ER and mark application for assa to be less punishing
For sub they just need to fix the amps for Deathstalker and the Animation lock of Coup

and id be more than happy playing it

[spiral steeple]

way too stupid even for blizz to be inteded

[raven egret]

Even if they fixed this I'd still prefer they work on making actual hero talents that are inspired and thematically more... than whatever the hell these are

[earnest remnant]

but im also an odd one out

i dont really care for thematics all that much

as long as it plays nice

then thats all i care about

if visuals is what i cared about, i wouldnt be playing wow xD

[raven egret]

I meant thematc not visual; I can fully understand someone not caring about this, but I think that both our pov don't clash; a better hero tree thematically that works mechanically well and is fun? we both win

[spiral steeple]

i mean how marking a target for assassination doesnt work thematically?

i undestand it got literally 0 visuals

but i dont get how it doesnt fit the theme of sin rogue

[raven egret]

Read the entire tree, what is the idea? Its mostly a collection of random buffs barely connected to one another

[spiral steeple]

think you are a bit confused

thats gameplay

not "theme"

[raven egret]

I'm no confused, just giving you my opinion. Thematically the nodes make no sense, mechanically the mark is dumb. Feel free to disagree with me, but theres no confusion here; most of hte best hero talents have a sense of interconnection between nodes that all work toward a same core idea, concept and theme

Deathstalker does not do this

[spiral steeple]

i dont disagree but u suck at explaining yourself lol

"theme" has nothing to do with how it feels to play it

[raven egret]

Well, thanks for the nice way to ask clarifications and having a conversation I suppose

[haughty flicker]

if it interacted with er i already think it would be 10x better feeling to play

[royal lantern]

because it doesnt do anything different

like, even the description is literally saying "you do rogue stuff" lol

[waxen oyster]

I’ve looted more 560+ boe blue gear than gear for myself

[royal lantern]

the theme of deathstalker would be like making a mage "hero tree" that says "you use arcane magic"

[spiral steeple]

think you guys wanted a bit too much out of here talents, its not new specs

its obviusly gonna be "you do rogue stuff" u re still playing a rogue

[raven egret]

Asking for baseline good hero talents like we know they can do, looking at other classes, isn't 'wanting too much'

[real cypress]

Anyone able to recommend a good rotation assist mod?

[raven egret]

if anything its a very reasonable request

[spiral steeple]

yeah but u are complauing about "theme"

when rogue got it pretty good if we are just looking at theme

tell me warriors or hunter got a better fitting "theme" then rogues xd

[raven egret]

yes, and if you like the theme I'm not stoping you, have at it fam. If you like flipping coins, I can't stop you. If you think the mark is on point, I can't stop you.

[spiral steeple]

nah i hate that, but id does fit with the theme of outlaw

and saying otherwise its just dumb

[earnest remnant]

Id say Deathstalker's Mark fits pretty spot on for Assassination theme wise

[spiral steeple]

yeah they are just confused on what "theme" is

and complain becouse mechanially it is rough and could have been much better

[limber lion]

If Deathstalker was actually something like "poisoning your opponent and stalking them from the shadows and watching them die" then yeah, but Deathstalker is far from that.

[royal lantern]

the thing is

deahtmark literally allready does that lol

[raven egret]

Bro, stop trying to dismiss everyone else's opinion by saying we're just 'confused', I keep saying the whole tree is thematically dead. The basic IDEA of the mark I don't mind, but me having that different opinion than you doesn't make me 'confused'

[spiral steeple]

sorry but saying that "theme" is bad just becouse you dont like how it plays its being confused

[limber lion]

Like Deathstalker is more of a "Jack of all trades" kind of a thing where you get small passive increases to everything in the kit

including finishers, generators, single target, aoe and melee

[earnest remnant]

that has 0 to do with people saying it doesent fit Thematically for assa

its actually quite spot on

[limber lion]

I don't really agree personally

The name fits, but everything in the kit doesn't really

[earnest remnant]

not talking about the entire kit here

just Deathstalker's mark

[limber lion]

Not a big fan of it personally

I think it fits Sub more than Assa

[raven egret]

Yeah so again, mark I am not against the idea of it thematically, its just mechanicalyl dumb. The entire tree is thematically bad <-- thats what I think

[limber lion]

Sub is the big generator-spender spec specializing in Shadow damage

and that's what the Mark is

[earnest remnant]

you and i also heavily disagree to what assa should be like xD

[waxen oyster]

big envenoms are fun

[limber lion]

Yeah, I love the dot-focused gameplay and I'm guessing you're an Envenom guy

[earnest remnant]

yes

[limber lion]

I'd rather have the big focus on poisons and bleeds on this spec, and more finisher stuff on Sub instead

And not the same lukewarm concept on both

[spiral steeple]

tbf sin hasnt been purely dot based in a while, has always been dot + buildup to big finish

at least since legion

[limber lion]

Not really true

"Always" is a very weird choice of words there

[earnest remnant]

it has had breaks inbetween where it was bleed focused

Late BFA / mid SL

[limber lion]

And late SL

Well, more so late SL than mid SL

[earnest remnant]

yeh late sorry

for some reason my brain thought Sepulcher was before sanctum for a brief moment

[limber lion]

Heh

[waxen oyster]

its usually crazy haste levels

that cause assa to be more bleed centric

[limber lion]

It's really not

It's borrowed power that's causing it, not haste

[earnest remnant]

Shrouded suffocation xD

[limber lion]

Shrouded Suffocation

And the 4p tier set in Sepulcher

[waxen oyster]

corruption

[limber lion]

Yes, but corruption alone does nothing

It's the azerite power that is the catalyst

[tawdry flint]

one of the most frustrating things is losing the mark mid pack due to getting a killing blow with darkest night

[waxen oyster]

throwback to first 3 seasons of bfa you played double dose

and vanished for ma crit on env

[earnest remnant]

SS, galecallers boon

in uldir

[limber lion]

Yeh

[earnest remnant]

Exsang went brrrrrt

[limber lion]

SS was nerfed the first season, after which people started playing Double Dose instead

[earnest remnant]

nerfed is an understatement for what they did to it xD

[waxen oyster]

you could play galecaller s4

it was just cringe

[limber lion]

And worse than Plumage

[waxen oyster]

I thought it was technically better

if 0 movement

[limber lion]

A Plumage from the weekly chest was better than any Galecaller's boon

But that was back then with the old m+ chest where you got one singular item

[waxen oyster]

I had a socket pvp badge

[limber lion]

So getting it was pretty rare lol

[waxen oyster]

so i was chilling

well the 2min vers one

[limber lion]

Yeh similar stuff

[earnest remnant]

i had Galecaller + plumage from weekly

[waxen oyster]

that thing was overbudget when i look back

[solid wagon]

Well I did a few DF raid as lvl 80 and the assa rogue are having the time of their life with the bug

[limber lion]

My gear was megabis in 8.3

[waxen oyster]

had a galecaller from weekly too

[limber lion]

Plumage from chest, Azerite pieces from the vendor, otherwise entirely decked out in Mythic raid gear

[waxen oyster]

my gear was more megabis in s2

i had like 9 sockets on heroic week

XDD

[limber lion]

Good days

[waxen oyster]

bfa had me pvping for 2.1 first week

to get mythic azerite from box

[versed mica]

Best darkmoon deck trink?

[balmy condor]

ascension generally but it's mostly just ilvl stick

[raven egret]

not sure how competitive the darkmoon embelishment will be

[balmy condor]

not very

They nuked the vivacity stuff by 90%

[waxen oyster]

What does it cost to make 580 crafted gear anyway

[raven egret]

sanity, its not worth

but to be clear for that ilvl you'd need a

[waxen oyster]

so no crest crafted is 564 i take it

got an adventurer dagger from the weekly so kind ot content

[rotund oak]

what ilvl have u reached boys

[waxen oyster]

theres a guy in outlaw with full crafted gear

[raven egret]

oh no its way worse 😄 515-528 with nothing, 545-558 with a Soul Sigil 1, 561-574 with a Soul Sigil II, and the above with the enchanted crest

[cunning basin]

560 with my tier still on

[waxen oyster]

whats soul sigils

[haughty flicker]

just the way to make shitty gear nobody uses

[rotund oak]

tier should break if its not myth track

[haughty flicker]

in df they had those items too

dropped from like normal/heroic dungeons

[cunning basin]

my tier is all 528.

[rotund oak]

wild

[waxen oyster]

i just finished leveling so

590 mh is a good start for barely into 80

I’ve gotten more 560+ blue boes than gear for myself

ez money though

[haughty flicker]

590 needs crests but there arent really any other uses for those crests

so might as well

[raven egret]

getting your adventurer gear to the same ilvl uses those crests

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it was an adventurer track wep from the weekly wq thing

[rotund oak]

yea im doing it tommorow,im 572 quipped no crests burned yet

[raven egret]

and way better to get a variety of pieces at those ilvls

[waxen oyster]

in ringing depths

[raven egret]

than a single random crafted piece

[rotund oak]

outlaw omegalul

[waxen oyster]

bit surprised people are buying boes so early

[rotund oak]

yeah thats L

[haughty flicker]

adventurer gear is gonna get replaced immediately anyway though so its kind of a wash either way

[rotund oak]

they spend like 50k gold for nothing

[raven egret]

Its all we have access to to get ready for S1

[rotund oak]

on reset its lost money

[waxen oyster]

I’ve gotten 4 boes my first hour into 80

sold like 3-5k a pop

[haughty flicker]

buying greens for like 200 gold and disenchanting them was big money yesterday

but storm dust prices dropped so gg

[raven egret]

I'm just saying, this is the only use for weathered crests we'll ever have, getting as ready as possible for S1, this is it.

[rotund oak]

yup

[waxen oyster]

adventurer isn just lfr and wq gear

isnt it

[rotund oak]

u did dungeons for valorstones right?

[rotund oak]

no explorer is

[haughty flicker]

you're going to be farming heroics anyway why spam dungeons now

you'll get valorstones from h

[nimble tartan]

hello i have a question under the wowhead and the deathstalker aoe opener is this supposed to be swapped

[raven egret]

Heroics wont give anything useful

[waxen oyster]

you can farm expeditions for bran levels

[nimble tartan]

cause with dark wouldnt u ambush

[waxen oyster]

if you want to be sweaty

[raven egret]

they are like hte last priority just to farm valorstones during pre-season

[normal mist]

Thats correct

[rotund oak]

heroics are going up to lvl 580 iirc

thats whatever

[normal mist]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[haughty flicker]

what gives better though

[waxen oyster]

so wait adventurer is not lfr track?

[haughty flicker]

other than the rep bought items

[rotund oak]

normal raid

[haughty flicker]

heroics will be out before normal raid

thats the point

[raven egret]

Heroics during pre-season

[grand trail]

feeling lucky in delves 😄

[rotund oak]

yeah i was saying fully upgraded

its 580

its not worth

[raven egret]

yeah my point is dont waste time upgradiong explorer gear

[rotund oak]

yeah im upgrading only veteran+

im done farming my early epics btw

i can see a point in upgrading jsut the wpns though

[nimble tartan]

ohh i misinterpreted as without like without talented

[rotund oak]

even explorer

[waxen oyster]

the tiers are what

[nimble tartan]

lmaoo

[waxen oyster]

explorer adventurer veteran?

[raven egret]

Adventurer is safe to upgrade as well, only real use for weathered crests, but all in all getting mid 580 should be doable

[rotund oak]

eh not rly

u struggle

[nimble tartan]

i need to track darkest night

[rotund oak]

u should only upgrade 580 wpns and trinkets

nothing else

maybe veteran gear

[waxen oyster]

is there a point in farming the mini events

[raven egret]

weapon

[waxen oyster]

in hallowfall though

[rotund oak]

made a custom aura,works like a charm

[waxen oyster]

only reason i upgraded an adventurer piece was because it was a dagger

[raven egret]

I,m crying in explorer daggers

[waxen oyster]

my oh is 561

not bad for a relatively fresh ding

[dense cove]

@waxen oyster Where’d ya get the adventurers dagger?

[waxen oyster]

Real question is do I sell the profession mats bag on official release or now

[untold stone]

yo, any Ambush/Mutilate macro? that will use ambush when in stealth but when out of stealth it mutilates instead?

[waxen oyster]

The weekly wq thing in ringing depths

[rotund oak]

we got the same daggers

[winter vapor]

that should happen automatically now in the default ui

[rotund oak]

well mine is higher ilvl coz ive upgraded it a bit,the same nonetheless

[normal mist]

no need, game does that for you already

[versed mica]

Apparently you can equip 2 darkmoon trinks, whats the other one I should buy? They super cheap on my server rn lmao

[balmy condor]

vivacity I guess

[versed mica]

okie, ty

[balmy condor]

think of them just as ilvl bumps

[spiral steeple]

stealth and non stealth bar are different

just bind both

and also work with the talent that lets you proc ambush out of stealth

[waxen oyster]

vivacity is probably the only ok one for this early content

since no ramp up

[nimble tartan]

oh shit so i can upgrade my 577 adventurer blues?

and be ok?

[waxen oyster]

weathered crests are not a big deal

[untold stone]

thanks guys!

[nimble tartan]

it cost valorstones tho ya?

im no even capped i only got 1.3k

[waxen oyster]

should yes

I only sent wep because

weapon damage kind of good

[haughty flicker]

i'd spend on weapons if i could fucking get one

still stuck using some random green

[waxen oyster]

where else you even getting adventurer blues

[distant plinth]

Just buy from AH, cost like 300gold on my server

[haughty flicker]

ive gotten several from delves

and you can get adventurer warbound stuff

[waxen oyster]

on t3 i assume?

[haughty flicker]

from rares

ye t3

stonks

too bad they nerfed it

[waxen oyster]

Do you do different ones or spam one

saw one say it was overfilling for a single do

[haughty flicker]

was just just doing one each for achievements i wasnt going for it on purpose

[waxen oyster]

yeah only gotten a green cloak twice

[viral aurora]

sry, are the builds on wowhead updated?

[modest glen]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

updated for what exactly

[viral aurora]

current content. These are the general builds that are played right now

[balmy condor]

yes of course

[viral aurora]

tyvm Mr Whispyr!

[daring moth]

Is recuperator a mandatory talent I should take ? Or is it placebo ?

[balmy condor]

placebo

but there's nothing else you could take either

and for deathstalker you have to take it for echoing reprimand

just kind of a lose-lose

[daring moth]

Oh alright, ty.

[haughty flicker]

does recup even work yet

[balmy condor]

no

[haughty flicker]

pog

[balmy condor]

the fact that it doesn't work and still remains one of the best options on the tree

really goes to show how cursed the class tree is

[desert cove]

Not to mention that all three hero trees feel like intern work

All of them are buggy in different ways, some more so than others

Like fatebound is the least buggy

[balmy condor]

assassination spec tree is banger at least

[desert cove]

Yeah I agree

Just wish our hero talents weren’t riddled with bugs or weird design choices

Or had any visual flair at all

[balmy condor]

ye

[waxen oyster]

I mean rogue has never had visual flair

[desert cove]

Ik

[slate crown]

Wrong

[desert cove]

But that’s not an excuse

[slate crown]

exists

(Existed*)

[desert cove]

Oof

True

[void mesa]

Sepsis lit

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

death from above?

sectec?

killing spree?

[waxen oyster]

Does an assassin class having loud visuals

[desert cove]

Miss dfa

[waxen oyster]

make sense though

[desert cove]

Fallen avatar was peak for dfa

[waxen oyster]

Yeah until you fell through the floor

[desert cove]

That was the best part

[balmy condor]

I mean there's plenty of assassins that have a bunch of visual flair and still feel cool

just off the top of my head you can go to league

talon

zed

[desert cove]

cough sylvanas cough

[desert cove]

You forgot the coolest league assassin, akali is the goat

Her redesign gave me life

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc

there's plenty of examples

I don't really buy the whole "assassinations can't also look cool, they're supposed to be subtle"

but then subtlety in this very game has the biggest visual flair of all 3 rogue specs

so like

??????

[desert cove]

Plus it’s a video game with dragons and magic

Like who cares

[balmy condor]

I mean even in the genre, world of warcraft isn't really known for its tether to hyper-realism

[exotic parcel]

So with this opener (Ambush + Garrote) i only have 5/7 Combo points. Should i garroto 2X so the bleed ticks for longer + i have 7/7 combo points?

[desert cove]

Give me a stabbing version of rampage for kingsbane

[junior aurora]

what visuals does sin have

i cant think of any

poison bomb ig

[waxen oyster]

just poison bomb

[balmy condor]

no, you finish on 5/7

[exotic parcel]

Why?

[junior aurora]

and poison bomb is satisfying to proc

[balmy condor]

wdym why

cause that's when we use finishers

we don't want to overcap any resources

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest (it's basically just fan of knives but in red and the knives go in a circle instead of outwards)

[gleaming thicket]

been really liking sin, all im doing is dungeons rn and i can never tell why my aoe is so low, sometimes im spamming bleeds on everything then other times im spamming enevnoms

is it kinda bad to put bleeds on everything if they die to quick?

[waxen oyster]

Because normal dungeons

[balmy condor]

the trick is that you gotta be spamming bleeds and following that with envenoms

[gleaming thicket]

sometimes envenom bomb spam outperforms

[balmy condor]

but yeh, normal dungeons omegalul

[junior aurora]

try being level 70-72

any higher and you do no damage

[waxen oyster]

sudden demise should be your top damage

[balmy condor]

there's no way to get even a half-decent rotation off

[gleaming thicket]

im in a group of 80s so

[balmy condor]

things die too fast

[gleaming thicket]

@balmy condor thats the prob i spread bleeds on all the targets so i dont really have time to envenom spam

[balmy condor]

correct

[gleaming thicket]

i put rup on like 6 targets and they are dead before i put rup on the 5th

[junior aurora]

should only have to rupture once tho

[waxen oyster]

Carnage spreads garrote for you

[balmy condor]

you spread your bleeds during carnage, then pick your caustic target and slap him up with cds and envenom

but until m+ comes out, good luck executing step 2 of that

[waxen oyster]

you might get half a kb

in a group of 80s

xd

70s better though

[gleaming thicket]

do u just try to garote during carange, sometimes i cant really get more than 1 rup off during carnage

[waxen oyster]

You need like

[normal mist]

With the SBS bleed build you can easily get 6 targets ruptured in the opener

[gleaming thicket]

after that do u just focus on envenoms and focus on spatter or do u try to get rup on the ones u couldnt get themon

[balmy condor]

should be 2 ruptures and the rest garrotes

[waxen oyster]

5-6 gcds to rupture a second time

normal dungeons are typically garrote garrote rupture ct

dies from sd

omegalul

[normal mist]

23H until I can finally play the new expansion

Hype increasing

[gleaming thicket]

k i havent really played wow since mop so and like a week in legion

[waxen oyster]

23h till i can finish the epic version of preorder set

in tww content

[junior aurora]

one of the talents makes you spread garrotes/ruptures from stealth

[gleaming thicket]

yeah i been using that

[junior aurora]

so you only need to use the abilities twice to get them on 5-6 targets

[normal mist]

Which set? Can't recall

[gleaming thicket]

but i was just saying, its hard to get two ruptures off during the 6 second window

[waxen oyster]

stormrider

[gleaming thicket]

do u guys usually vanish to get it going agian?

[waxen oyster]

the one for some reason the matching weapon is sold seperately

[normal mist]

Oh right I don't have it

[waxen oyster]

as a tp

[junior aurora]

you dont need to, should be able to just garrote rupture garrote rupture

add a garrote if you dont have enough cp

[gleaming thicket]

wait i dont understand do u not 5 cp rup?

[normal mist]

With SBS build in AoE he can garr rupture rupture garr garr

[junior aurora]

fair i havent leveled rogue yet so didnt think about sbs

[normal mist]

Yeah it feels really good

[junior aurora]

i did my wizards first

[gleaming thicket]

what does sbs stand for

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you’re deathstalker you ambush first

for mark

[junior aurora]

serrated bonespike

[normal mist]

Yes

[normal mist]

How they feeling?

[junior aurora]

frost mage feels real cringe rn but demo lock is fun af

[normal mist]

Cringe in what way

[balmy condor]

cringe in the "I'm playing a wizard" way

[junior aurora]

the cd rotation is just ice lance spam but its not bc u have to time the icelances unintuitively

[waxen oyster]

ngl the only caster my melee friends enjoy playing

is ele

[junior aurora]

i dont count ele as a wizard bc they arent given blizzards grace of god

[normal mist]

Ele is so much fun

And I don't play casters

[balmy condor]

yeah you better not

if I catch any green name playing a caster you best believe it's off to the gulag

[normal mist]

I only really play rogue

And I'm not even good at it

[junior aurora]

yeah its not smart to play the classes that are always relevant and blizzard ensures to be good

[gleaming thicket]

damn sudden demise is crazy for aoe

[normal mist]

Yep

It's pretty fun

[gleaming thicket]

so that ur bleeds arent wasted when shit dies early right?

[normal mist]

Drops like a nuke

Yep

[waxen oyster]

I wonder if enh is on its way to endangered species again.

[junior aurora]

just a few weeks ago you wouldnt even be able to find green names playing lol

[waxen oyster]

With the buff being on class

[gleaming thicket]

i know this chats prob biased what what do u think is performing best rn out of the three specs?

[balmy condor]

unironically probably sub

[junior aurora]

depends on numbers but more likely ele favored now bc range yea

[gleaming thicket]

cause rn its mostly just dungeons right

and sub can powder spam

right?

[balmy condor]

oh I thought you meant like rn as in like the tuning rn for the season

rn as in normal dungeons it's sub by a mile no contest

they don't have ramp time

[gleaming thicket]

ok. what do u mean by tuning tho?

yeah they start their aoe spam right away

[balmy condor]

like the balance