assassination

[manic quartz]

how to disable plater buff timers on the icons?

[uneven plume]

what do we do now when 80

just farm gear?

boring ahh shii

[balmy condor]

they sim fine, it's just untuned nonsense

[balmy condor]

you bought the early access and are suprised that there's nothing to do?

[uneven plume]

theres gotta be something to do

lmaoo

[balmy condor]

yeah

all the world content man

renown

professions

[normal mist]

Level alts, learn professions and profit from them since most of the playerbase cant (BUT FOR SOME REASON AH IS WORKING FOR TWW ITEMS ALREADY)

Do loremaster or close to it

[uneven plume]

seen some people with 570+

saw a spreadsheet here somewhere

on how to gear

i forgot where it was

[normal mist]

I'll be honest

once m0 and raid open, it all goes to waste

[balmy condor]

you just do the weekly world quests, regular world quests, fill the rest with normal dungeon gear

but yeh

it's all replaced

[normal mist]

even more when m+ opens

[uneven plume]

thats on monday right

[normal mist]

suuuuure

[balmy condor]

no

[normal mist]

in 3 weeks or something

[balmy condor]

m+ and raid doesn't come out until mid september

yeh

[uneven plume]

no i mean

heroic dungeons and stuff

[balmy condor]

yes heroic dungeons on monday

[normal mist]

so you can legit spam heroic and call it a day if you trully want

But i admit it might be fun to jump into raid without barely "any gear"

[slate crown]

You should do Ironman

[normal mist]

I have before

kind of

[slate crown]

Hell yeah

[normal mist]

on cata timeline

[balmy condor]

NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO HOLD ONTO YOUR DELVE KEY AND DO THE STUFF IN THIS ORDER AND SAVE YOUR CRESTS FOR A WEAPON AND REEEEEEEEEEEE

[normal mist]

aka classic

[balmy condor]

YOU CANT JUST LOG IN AND DO TWO EXTRA DUNGEONS AND

YOU DONT GET IT

MINMAX

[normal mist]

Bro, i cant even, i got to a point i understood that the goals i want in game do not need that type of minmax

[waxen oyster]

”You buy epic for early access I buy for tender and pets we are not the same”

[balmy condor]

Hit your renown breakpoints to buy gear or you’re BAD

[slate crown]

Do we still have like 3 hours to do that oen world quest?

or else we're bad?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slate crown]

Oh shit

gotta go

[balmy condor]

If you don’t complete world quest you are shitter never getting invited

[waxen oyster]

Personally it blows my mind

people spend their pto to play wow

then quit 2 months into an expac

[runic hinge]

9/17 is so insanely far away. If I wasn’t already going to buy the epic edition it wouldn’t be worth it to play this early

[balmy condor]

Peak seasonal gameplay

[strange python]

Can you guys change talents?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[hushed magnet]

I have the same bug

[strange python]

ugh

[daring hamlet]

my reading of this is slightly different from my reading of the ability in-game. Specific example, in aoe opener, we rupture once at 5 cp and then immediately after just using our SBS cp's. The way I read the ability in-game, if for some reason we finish with less than 5 cp - the finisher itself may not remove a stack if it doesn't fulfill the 5 combo point requirement? (the way I read what is written here is more a practical application - which is that for all intents and purposes, every finisher will be removing a stack?)

[opal chasm]

activate the other hero talents

then spend the points

[strange python]

ok lemme try that

[opal chasm]

and you should be to switch

[tropic tundra]

I get that when trying to swap to a build that didnt take hero talent

[balmy condor]

for some reason we finish with less than 5cp

That’s the neat part, you don’t

[tropic tundra]

Like most situational df builds

[manic quartz]

@balmy condor i forgot already but how you remove the yellow border or config it in your plater options, was it modding or scripting tab?

[daring hamlet]

ahh okay cool, didn't actually realzie that we'd never be able to finsh with elss than 5 - makes sense

[waxen oyster]

Also am I blind or what causes you to generate full cp after doing a finisher in aoe on a group

[balmy condor]

I mean you’re able to you just super don’t want to

[balmy condor]

Bone spike

[waxen oyster]

Oh

[balmy condor]

What yellow border

[tropic tundra]

Best qol

[waxen oyster]

Me not logging in entire prepatch except for sales

[manic quartz]

when bleeds are in pandemic

[balmy condor]

Think that’s under modding

[daring hamlet]

yeah - I meant more like some random scenario where maybe you fuck up or finish early due to a mechanic or phase happenign idk- mostly just wanted to make sure I understood the ability itself correctly

[balmy condor]

They’re named

[strange python]

yeah no go for me - i spent all the points in the other hero tree, and it won't let me switch to a talent build without all those same points spent i guess

[balmy condor]

Yeh, 5+ on anything that hits an enemy

[waxen oyster]

Would be nice if plague damage spattered

[balmy condor]

Good to go

[balmy condor]

It does

[waxen oyster]

It counts as poison?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

🤨

[balmy condor]

Works with mastery and shiv

[strange python]

I'll just remake all my builds

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work with zoldyck cause ya know

[runic hinge]

It’s shadow+poison

[balmy condor]

Classic bugs

[waxen oyster]

Oh its one of those

[devout mist]

So 20% hp airhorn is back on the table?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound coin is cosmic, that’s also nature damage

[runic hinge]

Do you have a talent add on?

[balmy condor]

Also works with caustic and everything

[waxen oyster]

What the heck is cosmic anyway

an all magic like chaos?

[strange python]

no 😦

[balmy condor]

Nature holy shadow and…..

Idk

It’s 4

I’m forgetting the last

Arcane

[waxen oyster]

They introduced it in sl s3

[balmy condor]

That’s the one

[waxen oyster]

didnt they

[balmy condor]

Introduced what

[waxen oyster]

cosmic damage

[balmy condor]

Nah

Pretty sure it was a thing earlier

Just didn’t mean much

The multischool magic stuff has been a thing forever

[balmy condor]

Just has always been incredibly janky

[remote turtle]

hi hi

[balmy condor]

Wildly inconsistent implementations

[remote turtle]

someone can help me w the assa rotation ?

[balmy condor]

What’s the question

[remote turtle]

tbh i just lvl my first rogue

so... idk anything about it LOL

[balmy condor]

Would suggest reading a guide

[waxen oyster]

pre 70 you kind of just

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[waxen oyster]

hit things

low levels are just weird on rogue

[remote turtle]

i already read the icyveins guide and wowhead guide but idk my DPS its too low

and i dont rlly understand how AoE

or cleave

[waxen oyster]

in TWW content?

[remote turtle]

yes

[balmy condor]

For assassination you just bleed everything and then pick a target to beat the shit out of

[remote turtle]

your not wrong

but i pretty sure its not like that LOL

[balmy condor]

I’m telling you it’s like that

[hoary scroll]

is bleed build > hybrid m+ build for delves and quests?

[waxen oyster]

Kind of is

[tropic tundra]

It is actually

[slate crown]

No it's definitely like that

[devout mist]

For some reason the jojo meme popped in my head

[remote turtle]

oh sht

[tropic tundra]

Take a loot at the talent named caustic splatter

[remote turtle]

lmao

[balmy condor]

They’re about the same, hybrid probably a bit better for the single target

I wrote the guide and bro goes “nah it’s not like that”

[waxen oyster]

They definitely committed even further into the nuke main target theme with poopstalker.

[remote turtle]

quick question is fate or deathstalker ?

[balmy condor]

I got aura checked

[balmy condor]

Higher end content will want deathstalker, fatebound is easier, damage is kinda similar

[tropic tundra]

Both not fun

[hoary scroll]

and is there a macro with mutilate / ambus (when blindside procc)?

[normal mist]

not really needed

[balmy condor]

That’s not a macro

[waxen oyster]

it does auto

[balmy condor]

The game does that automatically

[normal mist]

game does that for you

[hoary scroll]

<33 thank

[tropic tundra]

I think thats after 10.2 rework yeah

[strange python]

Yeah I just redid all my trees and i can switch fine now. Kind of a pain, but that worked.

[waxen oyster]

For all 3 specs yeah

I still remember needing a seperate ambush bind out of stealth as outlaw in s1….

[twin sparrow]

But, how you bleed everything exactly? And how you manage to mantain that bleeding on multiple targets?

[tropic tundra]

I kinda liked that but im a weirdo so

[normal mist]

firstly with IC

[tropic tundra]

Now we just need one in stealth bind as deathstalker

[normal mist]

then manually

[waxen oyster]

Well I guess it was still useful after the rework due to tue triple hit bug

[balmy condor]

You open from stealth, apply rupture to 5 things for scent, and that’s all you need

[twin sparrow]

That should be enough you mean? Or then manually as royal says?

[quick pumice]

does anyone know if the darkmoon decks any good for us?

[balmy condor]

Well you manual as many as you need to maintain energy and cap scent of blood, and that’s it

[waxen oyster]

Really depends how long the encounter is

[balmy condor]

No

[normal mist]

From stealth you're able to apply bleeds in AoE, after those bleeds run out, you must reapply them manually

[twin sparrow]

(Sorry first time assa and im starting to understand how to aoe)

[tropic tundra]

Theres a really cool talent that does this right after leaving stealth; like you gar rupture 2 times each and you’ll get everyone with em

[waxen oyster]

People only playing sin on aoe after IC was reworked have it so easy

smh

[tropic tundra]

Bottom right side of the assa tree

[balmy condor]

IC is a mistake

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[tropic tundra]

Really

[twin sparrow]

Thanks

[waxen oyster]

Even moreso that IC has some smart targeting

[normal mist]

Back in my days

[tropic tundra]

I think its much better game design compared to ‘boom, everyone gets main dot now’ shits

Like shadow is braindead class since that 10.1 rework

[twin sparrow]

Also: you have one talent page for raid and a different one for mhyt? Or also swapping during the ratd itself, or the myt itself, depending on the pull?

[waxen oyster]

You cant swap build mid key

[balmy condor]

I think IC would be fine in general if the community wasn't so hell bent on stealth effects already

[waxen oyster]

unless you exit

[digital venture]

@balmy condor buddy, can you perhapse help me with a WA from your Afenar edit?
Your lower bar where we have our "Utility" is greyed out when it's off cd. Is there a way to make the icons not show up when they are not on cd?

[balmy condor]

but IC attaching itself to stealth is just feeding an already misguided and uninformed group of people further into a rabbit hole cause it fails to properly show what the spec is about

[waxen oyster]

I just find it funny

people acting like tab targeting hasnt always been a thing for dot specs

[tropic tundra]

You can do really strong splash damage just by hitting the main target so that’s what you do in raid mostly / m+ build is largely different focused

[balmy condor]

bottom of the trigger set it to show off cooldown instead of always

[tropic tundra]

What could be the better way for IC application? Like maybe just giving it an extra cd spell that activates the dot copy buff for a few secs instead of utilizing stealth?

[hoary scroll]

without deathstalkers mark you ALWAYS open with ambush to apply the mark?

[tropic tundra]

Personally i felt nothing wrong with all pre 10.2 rogues using stealth stuff a lot

[waxen oyster]

Technically that was pre rework IC

[tropic tundra]

Oh right

[balmy condor]

If you don’t have the buff up from the capstone yes

[balmy condor]

I think the easiest way would be to just make it replicating from sub, 2 targets always

[waxen oyster]

Its also just funny how big a deal community makes of restealths

[tropic tundra]

Just by taking it? Yeah that sounds much better for qol

[hoary scroll]

you mean darkest night buff?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

The one thing I like about IC over replicating

it wont dot something already dotted

as the cleave target

[balmy condor]

I was so ready for no impgar builds in raids

Just to see people malding and contorting themselves into a pretzel about how actually in m+ it’s still really important

[cunning basin]

I wish so hard that IC was just replicating tbh. Fuck that would be great

[tropic tundra]

Yeah that really sucked, pre 10.2 sub rupture was the worst as we had to move around applying the dots

[digital venture]

you are the GOAT! thanks

[balmy condor]

Probably just too strong as a passive +1 target tbh

[cunning basin]

Probably. I just have a very silky smooth brain and want it easy KEK

Well, easier

:d

[tropic tundra]

Maybe make it capstone and nerf the current one to place it up there

[waxen oyster]

Tbh this is my first expac leveling as sin

[tropic tundra]

really

[waxen oyster]

The lack of ramp now makes it actually not shit

[balmy condor]

What

[tropic tundra]

I thought this is the best spec for leveling for long

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[waxen oyster]

Idk prior expansions i think sub/outlaw were better for leveling

[tropic tundra]

The one that triggers when target goes low and your dots instakill, idk the name of it since im not using english client

Or is it too much sacrifice

[balmy condor]

My guide for Dragonflight and shadowlands leveling legitimately said “level as one of the other two specs but if you REALLY insist, here’s how you would level”

[slate crown]

I leveled assassination

in both

can't keep me down

[tropic tundra]

I like assa leveling honestly

[balmy condor]

Why would we not just replace carnage? The entire convo was about changing carnage

[waxen oyster]

compared to sub or outlaw in earlier expacs where you killed most things in 1-2 gcds

[tropic tundra]

To make it passive +1 or +2 targets?

[balmy condor]

Passive +1

Passive +2 isn’t reasonable in any way

Passive +1 might not be reasonable

[tropic tundra]

How about making the copied ones weaker

[balmy condor]

Disaster

[tropic tundra]

Hehe

[balmy condor]

Now you have to track with targets have the weaker bleeds

Lmao what an awful fucking idea

That’s miserable

[runic hinge]

damn fatebound is very unintrusive

[balmy condor]

Imagine you cleave an improved garrote but it’s weaker on the off target

So now you have a weaker improved garrote that’s stronger than a regular garrote

Three different garrote levels

[tropic tundra]

Improved(not really)

[balmy condor]

I’d lose my mind

[tropic tundra]

Try feral druid for stupidly large amount of snapshots

But none of em really matter

[waxen oyster]

I see so many people

hyping frost dk’s rework

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

snapshots are awful

and need to be removed

[tropic tundra]

Equally hyped for their darkest ages

They technically removed it by re-re-reworking the buffs at a level where you can’t even manage it

[cunning basin]

AGREE

all snapshots must die

[tropic tundra]

Cause the buffs dont last long enough

[haughty sand]

Guys where can i see good aoe vs st rotation guide?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tropic tundra]

Wowhead obviously

[daring hamlet]

so with current pooling rools for builds running sanguine blades, we are effectively foregoing any benefit of sanguine blades (assuming perfect play according to the pooling rules - obv a generalization) except specifically during cd's in favor of deathstalker's mark dmg. basically, the only reason we're taking SB is for its benefit during cd's?

[balmy condor]

pretty much yeah

you'll also run into situations where you dip above 50% for a little bit cause envenom uptime is so high

but in general envenom uptime is the thing to play for

[daring hamlet]

like i get it but man that feels so anti-synergistic lol

[balmy condor]

it is

[tropic tundra]

Its just some extra damage for extra talent

If it works, nice

If it doesnt let it be

[wide ferry]

blizz really said fuck melee w these dungeons eh...like...can we fit any more bs on the floor

[daring hamlet]

yeah particualrly bad now cuase you ahve bad tanks pulling the entire room - will be a lil better when you have real tanks pulling the room

[tropic tundra]

Real

All of the new dungeons do that shit

[daring hamlet]

also shit dies instantly right now compounding the problem

[tropic tundra]

At least we have magic immunity

[waxen oyster]

Big pulls are good for us

as long as theres a big mob in it

[balmy condor]

is it really that melee unfriendly

doesn't feel that bad to me

[daring hamlet]

It feels that way right now, I don't think it will be doing actual keys with actual tanks

[tropic tundra]

Compared to df dungeons, but maybe more because im not used to all of these

[wide ridge]

bro this city of threads dungeon, what a confusing mess i understood 0% of what was happening during the spy(?) part

[woeful meteor]

where do you put the odds of vv getting fixed until raid?

[icy girder]

in st do we deathmark wait for it to drop then kingsbane?

[tropic tundra]

Also dawnbreaker is a nightmare

[balmy condor]

the shiv buff?

[balmy condor]

huh

no

that sounds awful

[icy girder]

ok cool

[tropic tundra]

Yeah cds are quite simple

[woeful meteor]

yep I think that's the last bug left for it at least

[icy girder]

yea cooked it in my head cuz of the 30% poisen dmg

[wide ferry]

just did some dungeon w a bunch oif paladins dropppin consecrates everywhere i couldnt hit shit lololol

[balmy condor]

idk that's so low priority atm I would be surprised

[waxen oyster]

How does consecrate affect anything

[tropic tundra]

At least that dungeon isnt on the keys

[wide ferry]

the mobs were dropin it lol

[balmy condor]

might not get fixed for a long time

[daring hamlet]

its stuff like the consecrated ground dropping that forces you to move out. If the mobs remain in it while you have to move out, it basically just creates a situation where melee can't dmg some of the mobs

[balmy condor]

but then again, they decided to fix deathmark mastery before deathstalker ER

[woeful meteor]

want the spec back to spam mut and envenom brain off

[balmy condor]

so what the fuck do I know about their pipeline

[woeful meteor]

if we're really lucky KB gets nerfed again

[icy girder]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean you use vicious venoms in single target regardless of the shiv bug being fixed or not

it's already better

[tropic tundra]

I know the devs don’t like those giga cd spells but why kb getting this amount of hate

[woeful meteor]

it is

[tropic tundra]

And arcane going crazy

[woeful meteor]

read it like slightly behind, but obviously easier

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure our cooldowns are bigger than arcane

[daring hamlet]

benefit being - we dont have to get pi or feelbad anymore I imagine

[tropic tundra]

Hopefully

[daring hamlet]

since it cant stack as high, getting the extra haste cant be quite as good (im sure it's still beneficial obv)

[balmy condor]

its just as good as it was before

[daring hamlet]

really? that doesn't seem intuitive to me

seems like it almost had to have lost some value but obv I believe you lol just surprising

[clear snow]

anyone else not getting deathmark to apply as assa? sub works for me but ambush from stealth will not work for assa

[daring hamlet]

single ambush from stealth

[balmy condor]

its been weird sometimes

[cunning basin]

yeah its been a bit wonky for me

sometimes if i have a blindside proc and am in stealth it won't apply mark

[waxen oyster]

I feel like tracking deadly poison on nameplates is insanely useless

[daring hamlet]

that makes sense but is lame

[clear snow]

hasn't applied once yet for me. been playing it for like 12 hours now...

[cunning basin]

and sometimes an animacharged 3 cp envenom consumes a mark, but also sometimes it doesn't

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you that it never consumes a mark

[cunning basin]

something about game being polished

[waxen oyster]

Is it your first global from stealth

[cunning basin]

well a stack ghoes away on my weakaura and on the nameplate but idk if it actually does annything

[whole sand]

yo i've been trying to find an answer for this but, why aren't we saving thistle tea for the end of kingsbane anymore? does it not benefit from the mastery or do we just need the energy now

[balmy condor]

that's probably when you're consuming the 5cp animacharge, cause it's 5cp

[balmy condor]

cause kingsbane is capped at 50 now

not 100

[cunning basin]

ive been keeping track and its specifically happening with only the 3cp animacharge, not sure why. I'll see if i can replicate and see if its actually doing it or if its just weakaura bug

[balmy condor]

if you can record it

[daring hamlet]

whats the reason for this? only thing i can think of is that the effect pi had on stack generation wasn't the primary value?

[balmy condor]

that would be the first proof of ER working with deathstalker since it was added in alpha

[whole sand]

so its just not worth the extra mastery at the end ticks? ty for your content btw

[cunning basin]

now im genuinely curious ima go see if i can get it to happen again. If its been that fucked for that long im suspected its just a rogue weakaura or something but shrug, never hurts to fuck around

[balmy condor]

stuff like hunt them down, corrupt the blood, etc just bridged any loss that occured

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

yes, you just cast it during shiv for the energy now, not specifically at the end

kingsbane doesn't have as much of a low/high anymore

so there's no reason to hold that

[whole sand]

got it, thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[daring hamlet]

bummer

[balmy condor]

why is that a bummer

[daring hamlet]

just pref to be just as strong and not feel sad if i dont get pi

[balmy condor]

we aren't getting pi

[daring hamlet]

oh okay nm then

[hoary scroll]

should i play bleed build in lower m+ dungeons (cuz the mobs will die very fast)

[runic hinge]

that one dungeon with all the concecrates kinda feels bad

[hushed magnet]

Probably a lot of people have asked this before, but I'm a little bit lost with the hero talents x_X. Wowhead suggests running Deathstalker, while Icy suggests Fatebound. So, are there any significant differences between these talent trees?

[balmy condor]

yes

[pulsar elk]

If im trying to spread rupture, how many combo points should i have? 5+?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

all damaging finishers are 5+ combo points always

[distant helm]

https://gyazo.com/8e25e6ca00844034cdd5230edb46f834
quick question, wont we waste our guarnteed coin flip here if we cold blood the first envenom after vanish?

[pulsar elk]

okay, so yes. appreicate that. I keep forgetting to use slice and dice

[hushed magnet]

Are there any additional considerations when choosing hero talents? Or anything that could help me decide which talent tree to opt for?

[grand trail]

vanish does not guarntee same side flip tho, had the same question before

[distant helm]

oooh

it only guarntees the 2 after match the same face

but not your streak

thats fuck lmao

[grand trail]

yeah was confused too

so its 50/50

[royal lantern]

tbf, 1 thing i really hate, is how some really BIG enemys have a ridicolous small hitbox for you, you legit have to stand inside them sometimes

[distant helm]

ahh ok i get it then

makes sense

ty

[grand trail]

had the same suggestion until i read it again 😄

[spark rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spark rain]

Anyone using Naowhs UI?

[haughty flicker]

man even some normal sized enemies in standing inside their anus and barely hitting them

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-hero-talent-showdown-in-the-war-within-deathstalker-vs-345808

[haughty flicker]

feels cursed

[daring hamlet]

is this referring to the kingsbane nerf and how that impacts play with caustic splatter? did assasin really ever get to 100 stacks in a M+ dungeon?

[balmy condor]

constantly

[daring hamlet]

damn aight

[raw marlin]

@balmy condor heyy when is the m+ youtube coming out?

[balmy condor]

they fixed a bug as well going into 11.0 that caused it to stack faster than intended during aoe

was possible to cap at 100 kingsbane stacks in about 3 seconds

[daring hamlet]

lmfao

i mean fair enough

[balmy condor]

maybe monday or tuesday, depends how much work I got

[raw marlin]

i have watched the raid one about 5 times

i fell asleep to it 4 times lol

(in a good way lmfao)

[balmy condor]

9/10 times people say that in a good way

but it's the 1/10 chance that they're like "damn whispyr you're a boring ass mother fucker"

that always gets me

[pulsar elk]

the go to build is hybrid?

[balmy condor]

for higher m+ yes

I mean for the current keys you should probably untalent deathmark and kingsbane

cause you're never getting them off

but the current dungeons aren't real content

[waxen oyster]

Gotta minmax content that doesnt matter

To have gear advantage for 1 week

[pulsar elk]

very true, i just sit there and enjoy the company

[hot linden]

Any recommended mplus assa streamers or creators to watch?

[raw marlin]

pahah, on my tv when in bed and i just fall asleep to it.. im an expert at the first 20 minutes now

[raven night]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

I don't push m+ much

[raven night]

also zerocool ofc

[raw marlin]

whispyr and casualaddict

[balmy condor]

yeh casual is good

[raven night]

zero is basically a dj at this point

[waxen oyster]

Casual plays whatever spec is good.

lowkey all the other rogue streamers quit

[cunning basin]

@balmy condor caught it this time. Checked combat log to confirm it did damage.

[raw marlin]

for rogue its legit pika or casual (pvp and pve)

[cunning basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-tolXCjqCk

[raw marlin]

but isnt rogue also one of the least played classes in the entire game now.. its crazy to think that.

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

[cunning basin]

not 100% sure what caused it, im gonna try a few different things and see if i can get it to happen consistently or if its just fully random

YEP

I knew i wasn't fucking crazy

LMAO

[balmy condor]

it's always been one of the least played classes

since the start of the game

[balmy condor]

yeah that must be new hotfixing

[raw marlin]

has it? i know leveling it sucked but i remember being a little kid just wanting to be a rogue ALL the time mainly for the bandit mask ha

[balmy condor]

idk why they would fix it for only the 3rd cp, only sometimes

[cunning basin]

it literally only works for the 3rd CP and after the last few rounds it seems to only happen AFTER applying mark through darkest night???

[balmy condor]

yes, every metric ever tracked has had rogue in the bottom 3 played

usually bottom

[raw marlin]

i thought it was monk

that was always dead last

[balmy condor]

yeah that's strange, cause they fixed the bug with generators removing a stack from the capstone applied mark

maybe it's some weird ghostly figure of that

[balmy condor]

monk has more than rogue since shadowlands

at least if you count wcl/raider.io metrics

[cunning basin]

yup, i just did it 3 more times. So specifically the marks applied from darkest night, the 3cp animacharge consumes deathstalker's mark for damage. I am baffled as to how this specific instance happened.

[raw marlin]

the fantasy of rogue is pretty big but it actualy makes sense now, hardly any rogues anywhere lol

[slate crown]

[cunning basin]

AND it only happens with Envenom, not rupture. What the fuck.

[balmy condor]

does the bug exist for 4cp?

or is it only 3

[cunning basin]

nope, 4cp doesn't work with envenom, rupture, or CT

[balmy condor]

[cunning basin]

how

the fuck

[balmy condor]

lizard pls

[uneven plume]

so we should only rock 2pc?

[balmy condor]

!tierbreak

[prisma monolith]

You will not want to break your tier until roughly 40 or 50 item levels above your tier set, at which point you should simulate yourself through top gear to get direct, accurate answers. This is highly dependant on your gear as a character so make sure you check with a sim first before swapping/deleting gear

[waxen oyster]

it sucks to level

[cunning basin]

that is fucking wild. welp maybe if nothing else this will help blizzard fix it?

[balmy condor]

idk

I mean we've been screaming about it for months

[waxen oyster]

nibren is probably the best but hes a vault slot filler

[balmy condor]

they're more than aware

[waxen oyster]

might stream prog/farm for raid

[balmy condor]

just gotta wait for them to get it together

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

streaming wow is not lucrative at all

[raw marlin]

whos UI is this?

can anyone link me the rogue wa?

[waxen oyster]

It’s very easy to see why people dont do it

[raw marlin]

its nibren stream

[raw marlin]

its incredibly niche and sucks to watch.. allot of downtime etc, its more of a side monitor thing and you need to be doing world first keys or noone cares

[runic hinge]

probably modified luxthos

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[raw marlin]

yh that is 100% luxthos

[runic hinge]

That's what it looks like current

[raw marlin]

framework, i use his energy bar as mpart of mine

[strange python]

which weapon enchant is more likely to be used in general? depths one do aoe?

[balmy condor]

depths seems to be the go to

we'll see if blizzard decides to randomly change all the tuning again though

[hoary remnant]

did they fix anima charges?

interacting with mark?

[raw marlin]

can someone link me all the sims?

[strange python]

for m+ too? change enchats will be expensive af

[raw marlin]

sims for all classes, where is it?

[strange python]

and radiant power seems kinda good for m+

[hoary remnant]

Why would you need that? xD its super irrelevant rn

[raw marlin]

so i can look at it?

i dont need it for anything

i just want to see them lol

[zenith wave]

Hey guys, what type of poison?

[balmy condor]

enchants all kinda suck

I wouldn't worry about it

[runic hinge]

deadly

[zenith wave]

ty

[desert cove]

Whispyr just wondering, when we drop our tier set should we still focus on pooling between envenom chains?

[cunning basin]

Nope! There is one very specific case in which animcharged combo points trigger mark.

If you apply mark with darkest night, you can consume a mark with specifically the 3rd combo point if its animacharged, only with envenom.

[royal lantern]

cool, i just sold my tier stuff 30min ago

tbf, im suprised if tier effects stay active until next reset anyway

cus its kinda weird that they work at all

[hoary remnant]

Yeah it tirggers the anima charge combo point that is the baseline empowered point. Atleast thats the theory

[cunning basin]

buy it back

[cunning basin]

very odd that it only triggers off enevenom still, not rupture or CT

[timber meadow]

You’ll want to mini chain envenoms under 50% energy outside of cds when using sanguine blades. When using vicious venoms you just slam

Inside cds you slam

[balmy condor]

kinda yeah, you still want to chain because envenom uptime pandemics and you have rapid injection, on fatebound it doesn't really matter cause you don't use rapid injection

[desert cove]

Gotcha, so don’t empty your energy, just keep it at the bare minimum to keep sanguine blades active

[timber meadow]

No you don’t care about sanguine blades - you actively chain under the threshold

[cunning basin]

i will miss envenomous explosion

o7

[abstract linden]

first time assa rogue. for aoe is caustic splatter basically a rng proc?

[balmy condor]

no

its a debuff

you maintain it

[abstract linden]

so once it procs u basically can keep it up 100%?

[balmy condor]

it's not a proc

you mutilate to apply it

[daring hamlet]

do we vanish at the start of deathmark in aoe for improved garrrote during deathmark if our carnage improved garrote is falling off?

[balmy condor]

you can if you'd like

[wind comet]

is the echoing reprimand tree really better than subterfuge/without a trace for Raid ST

if we need the vanish to activate deathstalkers mark

[cunning basin]

you dont need vanish, the capstone lets your reapply it after you consume all 3

[wind comet]

oh wow

[balmy condor]

without a trace is the worst talent available to assassination rogue

4 talent points for nothing

[cunning basin]

wow! thats such a great deal !!!

[waxen oyster]

I love streamers spreading misinformation

[cunning basin]

as they do

[wind comet]

im glad we only have to use the vanish once per fight then

[balmy condor]

waht

you vanish every deathmark

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[raw marlin]

the lowest content of dungeons, whats the build. Shit dies instantly and its pointless trying to actually use cds lol

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

does it even matter there lol

[raw marlin]

well i wanna actually do somethign lol

[waxen oyster]

almost like the content out rn doesnt matter

[raw marlin]

not go oh my dots on them, oh its dead

[royal lantern]

tbh, my experience in dungeons rn is "tank pulls 8 packs at once, and 2 people die instantly and it turns into a slow slop"

[balmy condor]

I been playing this

thinking about playing internal bleeding instead

but its pretty awful as well

idk

[cunning basin]

so far mine has been, tank runs to boss, one guy presses a button and everything dies, rinse and repeat KEK

im just runnin my stubby little legs behind them happy to be there

[royal lantern]

i also like how TWW still has the age old traidition of "you get weaker with higher levels"

[onyx mesa]

So don't use coffer keys? hold them till we got better delves? that the vibe right now?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

run next week or something like that, idk

(sorry, i mean you will be FOREVER BEHIND!!!1111!!! if you dont use them 200% perfect and it will be the worst thing imaginable)

[quick pumice]

hey is the bubbling wax usable in raids/m+? and if it is does that mean we're gonna have to keep farming it

[balmy condor]

depends on what usable means to you

it's in no way good

but like

if you don't wanna get whetstones or whatever

then go for it, it's extra damage

[quick pumice]

oh so it just replaces whetstones?

ic

[balmy condor]

whetstones replaces it

that bubbling wax stuff is hot garbage

[quick pumice]

gotcha

[onyx mesa]

So S4 sets are disabled on the 26th yea? or did I misread that?

[willow falcon]

which darkmoon trinkets do we like?

[spice surge]

I havent seen them mention it anywhere, not sure where youve read it

[willow falcon]

radiance with ascension?

[onyx mesa]

I was thinking of this but rereading it, I think I misread the Season 4 PvE rewards... my bad, yea disregard lol

Thought it mentioned tier sets, my bad

full-time idiot over here

[balmy condor]

none of them

they're all poop

[willow falcon]

i was just wondering if it's worth against 528 ashes/torch for some early ilvl gains

they're pretty cheap atm and 577 is higher than a reward from hc dung

[onyx mesa]

What you need ilvl for? just wait for heroic dungeons, most of our BiS trinkets (I am just reading off the wowhead) are dungeon trinkets, so I imagine a heroic version is going to be good even up to M+

The Darkmoon decks are pretty expensive right now yea? probs not worth it

or do you need ilvl for loot scaling??

[balmy condor]

yeh ascendance probably then

[spice surge]

Theres always the possibility that theyre bugged and do 50% less damage than intended 💀

[balmy condor]

ah true I forgot

blizzard could just wake up tomorrow and go "wait a minute, half the trinkets in the game are doing 2/3rds their intended damage, good thing we caught that during raid and m+ testing on beta when we had them on the vendor"

[onyx mesa]

intern was on trinket duty

[balmy condor]

can't wait for the inevitable "wait a second, embellishments are like 1% dps, we gotta buff these"

and then just across the board 75-150% buffs

that's going to be really fun

[onyx mesa]

gotta wait till everyone has the wrong embellishments before you make the change

[balmy condor]

true, true

[junior aurora]

Has anyone had problems reapplying deathstalker's mark? I find that especially when killing stuff with little health the fateful night proc (7cp env) instakills them and i don't get another fateful night proc after that xD or if I do my ui isn't reflecting it. It's made me switch to fatebound for leveling

[balmy condor]

yep

darkest night will do that

[junior aurora]

cool just wanted to see if that was happening to you guys

[cunning basin]

exasperated typing noises

kekw

[silk bane]

its weird though because they gutted the shit out of serum on beta

and they changed transmitter

like full redesign

but didnt notice all the other trinkets dont exist?

[balmy condor]

they only noticed the trinkets people noticed

serum doing big num? ruh oh

transmitter huge headache? ruh oh

but they don't care about the tuning of weaver's venom gland because neither does the playerbase

[silk bane]

truly fascinating. so what youre saying is if the entire community would shutup about serum that thing would go live and then week 1 mythic would release and last boss would fall over in 3.5 pulls and they woulda been woah what happened?

[balmy condor]

I made up that trinket, that's not a real thing, did you notice? I probably wouldn't have

and that's kinda the problem

they introduce 35 trinkets

that all do some form of extra bonus damage

and the sims spit out which is giga and which is giga shit

and no one talks about them

and no one cares

[silk bane]

that kinda seems like what they go for every tier though. a bunch of random super garbage trinkets that do nothing just some damage

then a bunch "creative" trinkets that no one ever uses

and then like 4 raid trinkets that litearlly everyone uses

[hexed matrix]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

the "Creative" trinkets end up just being annoying as shit with no payoff

[waxen oyster]

Jailer chains

[silk bane]

sure, but also sometimes theyre just weird things that are also under tuned. like the whelping trinket in DF season 1

[waxen oyster]

Honestly sepulcher was impressive

[balmy condor]

like if transmitter was 3% better or something then I'd like hmmm okay well maybe yeah sure

[waxen oyster]

in how every trinket was turbo aids

[balmy condor]

but then people that just equip highest sim trinket will bitch how annoying it is that they're forced into it

and damage would have to be tuned around everyone either using the giga stuff or not using the giga stuff

just a lot of extra effort

[waxen oyster]

people bitching about branch

[balmy condor]

when they could just add a trinket that gives you 2000 crit every 30-40 seconds

and call it a day

[waxen oyster]

Or the trinkets you get 20 questions about

"what can i macro this to"

[royal lantern]

you forgot the generic tank "do dmg and get a shield" or "if you would die, you dont" trinkets that are literally always the same

[silk bane]

yeah tank and healer trinkets dont seem very interestingn

theyre usually also either so uselss or so unbelievably broken that healers are still running them 1.5 seasons later

[waxen oyster]

I mean any stat proc trinket

is as much a trinket for tanks

as dps

[royal lantern]

healer trinkets come in 3 flavors

"this is worthless and why should anyone touch it"

"i get mana" (and then depeends on the Patch and if blizz decides if healers have mana Problems or not)

or "giga busted"

[mystic osprey]

This class does good damage

[spice spire]

[naive bay]

Is the double vanish build not better then ER build in M+?

[spice spire]

It is not

Double vanish sucks

[royal lantern]

double vanish is the worst thing you could possibly do

you throw out 4 talent points for nothing

[naive bay]

Nah I just thought it could be viable for chain pull situations where otherwise it would be impossible to apply bleeds

[spice spire]

You could play moonkin instead checkmate on the hyperbole bud

[spice spire]

It’s -5% because of the talents you have to take.
And if you use it, you get one extra vanish in a dungeon, it is not good. The CDs do not stack

[royal lantern]

why is it impossible to apply bleeds

and mate

its 1 vanish more trought out a dungeon

1

4 talent points for a SINGLE vanish

[spice spire]

So it amounts to you use, 30s later you use again, and you wait 90s to use the next, and still have it on cd

[balmy condor]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[spice spire]

For 2 more minutes

The thing people miss is like.
You don’t get two CDs rolling at once.
You just still wait on the one, then wait the full for the next

It amounts to +1 vanish

[royal lantern]

^^^^^^^

[spice spire]

In 30 minutes

[naive bay]

Thanks bois, makes sense appreciate it !

[balmy condor]

I think most logs average out to 2

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[spice spire]

Nvm I change my vote

[balmy condor]

you're not getting much

[delicate orbit]

Guys

[spice spire]

Don’t let big Assassination lie to you boys!!

[delicate orbit]

You don't understand

[royal lantern]

says wide george->is not a wide george

[delicate orbit]

I cannot garrote without carnage

[balmy condor]

idk how to fix dungeonslice overestimating the vanish charge though

cause dungeonslice is basically +6 or +7 casts

when in reality it's maybe +2

[spice spire]

Okay but like you joke - but when I came from mop you could only garrote in stealth so for a few weeks (playing normal leveling dungeons and world quests) I didn’t realize you could garrote out of stealth when I returned in nyalotha

[indigo epoch]

!macros

best way to macro cold blood for FB/M+?

[spice spire]

And Ik a lot of people miss ic being an active, but you can still tab and stab

[delicate orbit]

It's off GCD. Just ham fist it in there

[indigo epoch]

just /cast cold blood in my deathmark macro?

[spice spire]

Isn’t CB off global, so like it’s just /cast /cast

[indigo epoch]

thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't want to macro it to envenom

but that's a dps loss

[delicate orbit]

I wouldn't. Since FB add it to envenom

Wait really

What

Is there some goofiness with it

[balmy condor]

cold blood during deathmark sucks dickie

[delicate orbit]

Oh that

Yeah

Don't macro to deathmark

I thought you were saying macro to envenom was a loss and I was thinking "but it makes sense"

[indigo epoch]

Instead I suggest macroing :coldblood: into :mutilate: and :fok: from the pin.

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm saying

[balmy condor]

I should fix that

not that it's a mistake or anything

should be fine

[indigo epoch]

im more confused than when i started

[balmy condor]

but if you ever run cold blood without inevitability it's a bit better

[runic hinge]

when should i use cold blood if not just macro-ed

or should i go read something

nvm imma read the thread

[balmy condor]

on cool down as long as you don't fuck over your deathmark flips

[runic hinge]

I'mma cast it manually but I probably need to figure out a coin tracker

right now I'm just looking at my buffs tbh

[balmy condor]

do you

[runic hinge]

actually ive been playing er and DD all day instead but whatever

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just

"am I going into a deathmark soon?"
"did I not press my second shiv already?

and if you answered yes to either, you shouldn't press it

you just need to avoid the front half of deathmark

otherwise you're good to go

[runic hinge]

okay ez pz

[balmy condor]

I just macro it

cause I don't care

[regal bluff]

Dont know about you guys, but I’m enjoying Deathstalker. It gaves us some burst damage. Currently 75

[royal lantern]

because assa wasnt a burst Spec

right

[regal bluff]

Adds some class fantasy

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

I found the mark during leveling to be entirely pointless outside of bigger rares

which is kinda fine

[regal bluff]

Ur a stealth assassin (Assassin) and ur first skill out of strath is a bleed followed by another one. At least with Desthstalker I felt the deathmark a plus. Again this is opinion

[balmy condor]

but fatebound gave me the same burst without the headache

so idk

getting a darkest night envenom off feels great but if it's happening when the mob has 75k hp left and you slam a 400k envenom into it

kinda pointless

[regal bluff]

But it’s cool exploding them 😂
Sprcially when poison bomb also applies

[royal lantern]

like, open world enemys die in 2gcds for the first 2/3rds of leveling, and in dungeons everything explodes anyway lol

[royal lantern]

that has NOTHING to do with deathstalker mate

[plucky forge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
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[royal lantern]

world enemys + scaling is just really funny

like, every single spec in the game 2globals enemys from 70-78 lol

[waxen oyster]

early levels is

ambush, fok

dead

[royal lantern]

watching my friend nuking 50% of a rare mobs hp as a lvl 71 holy priest by using holy fire once

[balmy condor]

good thing I made a leveling guide right

🤡

[waxen oyster]

Do people actually need that?

[balmy condor]

I'd hope to god not

[waxen oyster]

Besides "quest here" and "do x sidequest"

[balmy condor]

but I'm required to make a leveling guide every patch

[royal lantern]

tww is just so weird lol

like, tf is going in during leveling

yes, scaling beeing weird is kinda normal, but its just so extreme this time lol

[balmy condor]

yeah honestly just everything could use easily 2x the health

it's crazy

[royal lantern]

and then you reach 80 and get a kinda big drop

[nimble tartan]

its kind of interesting

cause open world starts crankin

at 80

and dungeons start hurting hella

is the bonus xp capped at 25%

so after 5 80s?

[royal lantern]

also funny that quest rewards are sometimes higher ilvl them dungeons

[nimble tartan]

i leveled a monk in 3 hrs to 80

[balmy condor]

I wasn't even leveling in good gear

I didn't play season 4

[nimble tartan]

actually so fast dungeon spammin

[balmy condor]

so I was in full season 3 gear

just one shotting everything

[junior aurora]

my group did 1 normal and realized its worse gear than world quests

[royal lantern]

my character was full S4 geared, and i didnt replace anything until 80 because it was simply lower ilvl lol

[balmy condor]

this expansion makes a lot of sense

[royal lantern]

our Paladin got a 573 weapon 15min into the expansion

by killing a rare

with lvl 71

[balmy condor]

Yeah I went and did that too after campaign

Didn’t need it during

[silk bane]

^ yeah i got like a ton of 580+ warbound stuff

just side questing and doing rares

[balmy condor]

Seli got his 593 dagger

He’s done for 3 weeks

[silk bane]

yeah i saw he fully upgraded it though

i have a 570 dagger but not upgradable i think sadge

[balmy condor]

I have the same one

but it's blue

I think it's same ilvl

idk

[silk bane]

its w/e though when M+ drops u just slam a ton day one and all gear from these 3 weeks becomes irrelevent

[runic hinge]

i haven't been playing deathstalker cause nothing lives long enough to ever proc the capstone

[silk bane]

^ i tried both trickster and deathtstalker as sub

deathstalker didnt feel awful

until like 78

then mobs werent getting one shot and deathstalker felt awful

well not awful, butit just didnt do anything, whereas trickdter had cleave + unseen blade hit like a truck so it just killed things super fast

[royal lantern]

broooooo, you have to farm those rares wdym???????

[silk bane]

true bro. gotta get a shovel and start digging too

for 23 hours a day

[balmy condor]

yeah 25 hours of grinding a day

but don't use any of the shit you grind

[silk bane]

oh and gotta spam farm the one area for another 16 hours a day for a ring

[balmy condor]

because it's not optimal

[royal lantern]

and dont even THINK aboud doing delve keys

you just drop dead

[silk bane]

u mean the cloak that we immediatly replaced the second M+ was released wasnt worht grinding the black dragon dude rep ?

[balmy condor]

perhaps

[royal lantern]

i grinded that rep for the scale color for my dragon, wdym

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmmmm-very-interesting-gif-16004216632190376510

surely the ring was woerth it

right/

surely

[balmy condor]

of course

[tall jay]

Best piece of gear I have gotten so far is for my warbank…571 adventure plate boots lol

[balmy condor]

I should make an early expansion guide

[silk bane]

ez click bait

[tall jay]

You have time?

[balmy condor]

for an expansion guide?

oh hell yeah

I'll do it right now

[silk bane]

IF U DONT DO THESE IMMEDIATELY DAY 1 DONT EVEN BOTHER SHOWING UP FOR RAID

+2m VIEWS

[tall jay]

Clicking now

lol

[onyx mesa]

56 things to do in the next hour before raid ready!!

[royal lantern]

cant wait for people to go crazy over t3 enchants again

because they totally need to put t3 enchants on every single piece of normal raid gear + m+4 gear they drop

[tall jay]

But my parses bro

[silk bane]

No no let em do it. I gotta sell these to someone

[hexed matrix]

dude my t3 delve parse times are crazy now because of my t1 enchants

[royal lantern]

was so funny watching people buying t3 enchants for 30k and Putting it on M0 weapons

[tall jay]

If I don’t parse gray I’m gonna get sat

[silk bane]

I swear Sophic 3 was like 100k early df

[royal lantern]

im so well informed, i dont even know the name of the enchants

and im a enchanter

[tall jay]

lol

[onyx mesa]

I won't be getting a PI so grey gang raiding

[tall jay]

Woot

[onyx mesa]

I assume PI still stronk for assss

[royal lantern]

it is

but assa is no priority pi target

others went up aswell

[runic hinge]

I'm getting pi cause my priest loves me

[wanton spear]

do we have a best renown to farm ?

trying to decide who to put the additional renown twards

[split maple]

Let this man cook

[balmy condor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wmp5BvFk7AUY69g8V7IKqo1SGAlyqQsBFxukTLfRGwo/pub

just for you

[split maple]

❤️

[junior aurora]

i bought a chestpiece from a vendor and i already have enough crests/stones to upgrade it to like 610 lmao

[split maple]

100/10 amazing. true gigachad gaming

[balmy condor]

now do it again on 6 more characters to optimize for the RNG weekly drops from world boss and raid splits week 1

DANCE MONKEY DANCE

[junior aurora]

yeah no shot

i didnt even upgrade the chest

i cringed thinking how long it would take me to get those flightstones back

[balmy condor]

flight stones? I sure hope they don't

[junior aurora]

valorstones justicestones kidneystones who cares

[balmy condor]

valor stones? Did they go to war?

[chilly marsh]

anyone have that wa for kingsbane stacks?

[junior aurora]

its what they're called now ig

[balmy condor]

smh

stolen valor

[idle leaf]

is it still better to just run S4 4pc?

[balmy condor]

!tierbreak

[prisma monolith]

You will not want to break your tier until roughly 40 or 50 item levels above your tier set, at which point you should simulate yourself through top gear to get direct, accurate answers. This is highly dependant on your gear as a character so make sure you check with a sim first before swapping/deleting gear

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[slate crown]

Can I skip the entire intro quests on alts?

[balmy condor]

I think so yeah

[past forum]

idk about the prepatch quests cause i had already done those on alts, but the rest you can

[slate crown]

Saving keys for season? what are you talking about brother come it's time to pick flowers and dig in the dirt

[runic hinge]

you can take the scroll to jaina in silithus and then pick take me to after dal right then

[balmy condor]

I killed a rare and got a 554 piece but it was in a slot I already had

[idle leaf]

thank you, and thank you for the guide, as always

[past forum]

i wonder how long my druid is gonna keep grieftorch equipped. at lvl 80 it still 1shots most big things

[balmy condor]

gotchu

[floral walrus]

Hi! Should I try to maintain garrote and rupture with sanguine blades buff on single target or is it kind of a talent that's there only to boost AoE? (with correct application of venomous wounds)

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[past forum]

oh shit, new pooling command dropped

[slate crown]

Nice thx, super helpful skip

[floral walrus]

Thanks @balmy condor !
Thing is, M+ talent sheet does not use vicious venoms but uses sanguine blades. There will be scenarios where im on a boss or plainly STargeting on m+ and ill have to choose between pooling past 50 or keeping up with envenoms

should i just forget about it and max out envenom time?

[balmy condor]

"For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. "

[floral walrus]

kk! Tyty

[balmy condor]

np

[marsh raptor]

darkest night node doesnt apply the marks, is this a bug or do you need all hero talents for it to work

[slate crown]

I haven't noticed a problem with it

Unless it was broken in the last 30 minutes

[balmy condor]

it won't apply if the envenom kills the target

[marsh raptor]

do the stacks only get put on the target the last marks were on then? i assumed once i had the buff i can essentially just max cp envenom another target to put the marks on them

[balmy condor]

no

you can move it around

[past forum]

i think i understand the pooling rules but just for my understanding i want to clarify. if we're playing sanguine as deathstalker, do we want to stay below 50% to not proc it cause energy going to sanguine is energy not going towards envenoms?

[marsh raptor]

ahh okay i got it, it was like you mentioned with the envenom killing the marked target

thanks for the clarification

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

but if envenom isn't in pandemic and you go above 50 that's fine

[past forum]

gotcha. idk if its just me but energy economy feels even higher than s3. i felt like pooling on envenom chain was practically cruise control

[balmy condor]

it's not higher than s3 but deathstalker is pretty speedy

[past forum]

i guess its not really energy economy, but rather ER getting you ready for your next envenom faster. kinda wild to me that people feel so strongly against it

[balmy condor]

I mean it feels atrocious right now cause it doesn't work with deathstalker

but yeh when it's fixed it'll be mint

[past forum]

oh yeah sorry i forgot, i'm in the future where it's fixed

[dark current]

i am confused are df s4 tier sets active or not? because normall they are not but it seems like they are?

[floral walrus]

One more question, given that deathstalker marks are gained only when ambushing from stealth, does that mean that we will have 3 marks every 2 minutes (via vanish) aside from the 3 marks from "combat started and I was stealthed"?

[balmy condor]

they are as of now

[balmy condor]

capstone

[floral walrus]

It reapplies them 🤦‍♂️. Im so sorry, kinda overwhelmed by all the info

[dark current]

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

all good, it's new content after all

[dark current]

anyone know minimum ilvl requirement to run heroic dungeons when it releases?

[spice spire]

blizzard loves dirt

[past forum]

nothin quite like goofin around in the dirt with the homies

[balmy condor]

that's a good question I actually don't know

I would assume like -30 ilvl to what drops? maybe 547

seems reasonable

[dark current]

ok i'll try to aim for 550 in case

[balmy condor]

rares drop 554

shouldn't be too much of a problem

[jolly crater]

hey, im new to rogue and assa as main spec, im practicing single target raid opener and rota atm. after a time in get in a lack of energy even tho poinsen and bleeds are applied for more reg. any tips to maintain good enery stand? in the wowhead guide there was part saying something like "if u are out of enery after envenom chain, reset and got for next" how is the reset ment? Thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[wide ferry]

Hit 80, we doin delves to gear up until s1? I literally havent replaced a single piece yet lol...

[balmy condor]

normal dungeons are SUPER quick

delves/rares/world quests are the highest ilvl

I'd probably recommend spamming some dungeons first to get your world quests to drop higher ilvl stuff

then just doing a sweep of rares and world quests

and then doing some delves

but kinda up to you

[wide ferry]

Oh hell yea they are lol Ok cool ty man.

[balmy condor]

np

[jolly crater]

@balmy condor in the wowhead singletarget talents there is sanguin selected instead of vicius venoms currently

[balmy condor]

yeh, that's correct for now with early gear

when the season opens up and gear gets better vicious will take over

[jolly crater]

alright

[balmy condor]

I probably could include a second build into the tab and stuff idk

I'll think about it

[jolly crater]

yeah maybe just a note

[balmy condor]

it's just so many builds to keep track of

I also don't want to overwhelm a ton

but yeh

[jolly crater]

understandable

why does staying under 50% energy lead to more envenom cast? "Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs"

[balmy condor]

being above with sanguine talented eats energy

[jolly crater]

ahh i see alright

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[dark current]

during early access should i try to get as many alt to 80 as possible or just focus on few and gear them up for heroics?

ready for heroics*

[balmy condor]

I mean that depends entirely on what you're doing in the game

[past forum]

for everyone other than career wow players, how you spend your time during early access will be largely irrelevent if you manage to hit 80 at some point

[balmy condor]

I think even if you don't hit 80 in early access you're chilling

you got 2 weeks of heroic dungeons to look forward too

no rush

[runic hinge]

i got to 80 and now im just like doing whatever, i was gonna level alts but it's kinda like meh, rogue is nice rn

[indigo mulch]

yeah after you hit 80 there isen't much to do to be fair.

[balmy condor]

I decided to level my jewelcrafting

:3

[indigo mulch]

Fab whispyr.

[balmy condor]

prospecting like 9000 ore

[indigo mulch]

[past forum]

i've procced some giga large skinning on my rare item cd ability

[balmy condor]

[past forum]

people paying way too much for rare mats rn, made an easy 60k just from skinning i did while leveling

[balmy condor]

ores are like 40-60g a piece atm

little rough

but we'll be aight

[past forum]

hah. ore, rough. good one

[balmy condor]

thanks

[indigo mulch]

What about the youtube monies!

[slate crown]

u want data?

[jolly crater]

@balmy condor if i am not wrong there is a mistake for the aoe assa rogue opener. if i select multi target into deathstalker, ER, without lightweight shiv selected(cuz its neither in bleed or hybrid build) the opener rota says to cast shiv after deathmark and 8 before end of kingsbane. if i select lightweight shiv it only shows the cast shiv before last 8 seconds. it should be vice versa no? lightweight shiv not selected -> 8 sec before only. if selected, after deathmark and 8sec before.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps