assassination

[fluid glade]

especially first 2s

[royal lantern]

[slate crown]

How's it feel to be done with the guide? You've got time to yap in here even more now

[fluid glade]

sin its easier argued cause you applying bleeds

[limber lion]

We are talkinh about every spec inthe game

Vs any tank in the game

Doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

aggro redicretions is always ussules

[balmy condor]

Rather be writing than entertaining this pointless discussion because the guy doesn’t understand the basics of threat generation

[royal lantern]

cus it does nothing in the grand sheme

[fluid glade]

really so why did almost every outlaw in s3 take it

[limber lion]

Dh throws glaive, you will not get aggro from him

[slate crown]

[zenith prairie]

why is rogue so underplayed

[royal lantern]

because most m+ players are drolling idiots that slam 2000000keys a day, suceed in 1 and then get hailed as bigtime galaxy brain pro gamers that know everything, when they dont even understand basics

• outlaw players are some of the most stupid mf's possible

[slate crown]

myriad reasons, not simple to answer

[fluid glade]

yeah bro they dont understand the math lmao theyre all stupid bro! 0 burst = 0 threat bro!!

[shy dust]

Looking forward to the article whispyr so I can formulate my own opinion based on yours

[tame nymph]

[spice surge]

Play tricks if you want, blackjack aint good either, its just two close to useless options to choose from

[fluid glade]

their aoe/dmg is almost instant you're doing optimal rotation from global 1 if u have things already set up

[spice surge]

Pick whatever you feel like

[royal lantern]

yes, thats literally how threat works, what the hell

[limber lion]

So will the tank

Tank will also press buttoms

And not just stare at the mob

[balmy condor]

I will say my favorite tricks story is vault on raszageth, the first add intermission the dev evoker was throwing an insanely large pyre out and ripping aggro so I got asked to tricks the tank to make sure they wouldn’t rip aggro

I proceeded to never press tricks on them, they stopped pulling aggro, and I was thanked for the help

[fluid glade]

yeah but they would still die bc not every tank is made the same, and not every person who plays tank is made the same

[slate crown]

(The appearance of) a high skill floor, high skill ceiling, low thematic interest from the playerbase, a poor leveling experience, it's a discussion that's had in this discord often, lots of opinions to go around

[royal lantern]

are you playing with frking bots

[fluid glade]

even people pushing 32s played tricks bro, some tanks generate faster/better than others

[royal lantern]

that walk into packs

and do nothing

[fluid glade]

no youre just pompous

[royal lantern]

like what the hell is the game you play

[royal lantern]

yes

and you wont help with that in any shape or form

cus thats not how threat on tanks work

you misdirect a miniscule amount that YOU generate

tanks themself have a gigantic multiplier

the shit you do with tricks doesnt

and all 3 rogue specs have nothing that actually generates much threat in the first place

[haughty flicker]

[worn marsh]

random +16 AV I found opening up logs, huge threat being redirected this key

[balmy condor]

Tank sneezes an aoe button -> generates a million threat per target

ABSOLUTELY HUGE ambush blade flurry!!!!! -> generates an additional 100k per target

Holy I’m pogging so hard

[royal lantern]

sub puts itself at 0 with dance

assa is dots that tick 2x during the timer

outlaw is a flat dmg line with no burst

what do you generate there to get translated into the tank

espacially when tanks cant even drop aggro anymore after 2-3 aoe abilitys unless they die

[fluid glade]

really ill walk into pack next time start doing dmg and still die without tricks

[royal lantern]

and when the tank dies, you have an entirely different problem

[limber lion]

And would with tricks too

[fluid glade]

and the packs are hard tanks are pulling less and can die more easily

[royal lantern]

why are you walking into a pack without the tank

[fluid glade]

with the tank and no i wouldnt with it

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s giga, imagine 26k extra threat when a vdh jumping into a pack does more than that in just raw damage without any tank aggro multiplier attached

[limber lion]

It just sounds to me like you pull mobs that the tank has not generated aggro on

[royal lantern]

^

[limber lion]

You just keep hitting mobs that are at 0 threat

[bronze pike]

If your not a Pepega

[limber lion]

Of course they smack you

[royal lantern]

ye, cus you play wrong lol

[limber lion]

Of course Tricks helps there

[bronze pike]

People will walk in with spikes only :3

[limber lion]

But that's just a misplay

Let the tank do its job

[bronze pike]

And complain about aggro when they use the first 5 globals

[fluid glade]

thats another use of tricks but most of the time no, cause the tan kwill usually hit the prio

[limber lion]

Tank hits everything

[bronze pike]

On silence misery chains spikes and flames

[royal lantern]

the good old "veng dh does jump->jump->death" around 3 corners

[balmy condor]

Yeh aggro talk always reminds me of the fact that the average person is an idiot, and half the world is dumber than that

[fluid glade]

sometimes i gotta evasion even with it up hitting the target i see them autto

[royal lantern]

maybe dont attack before everyone else then

jesus christ

[limber lion]

Alrighty

[eager gazelle]

what is your theory for why no one is taking your side? just curious...

[royal lantern]

like, we are not in classic "sunder armor 3x before you attack" anymore

but the tank still needs to actually use a single ability lol

[balmy condor]

Dudes really taking “cooldowns on pull” to heart

[fluid glade]

cause thats how discord is dont matter to me

[royal lantern]

like, you engage AFTER the tank

thats how wow works lol

[fluid glade]

yep engaging after tank

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s how discord is

It’s not me that’s wrong, it’s has to be the 10 people that are telling me I’m wrong

[jolly heath]

In AV, as sin, you can trick and garrote three adds in the right so the tank can go gather the left to the middle, I find it’s useful there

[royal lantern]

(including people that send numbers that prove it)

[brave stump]

[balmy condor]

Gathering mobs is useful for tricks yes

Generating threat is not

[limber lion]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

yeha, nobody denies that

but thats such a rare thing

[fluid glade]

no its a subjective thing

[balmy condor]

No it isn’t

[limber lion]

It literally is not

[fluid glade]

so i can handle disagreement

[limber lion]

It's literally based on facts

Tank presses ability on mob = 10000 threat

You press ability on mob = 100 threat

[royal lantern]

subjective is "i like chocolate ice"

not "numbers are not real cus i think different"

[balmy condor]

How would you know, you don’t play outlaw

[royal lantern]

[brave stump]

You little outlaw haters

[fluid glade]

nah i agree that it helps with chaining and re-estabishing if the tank dies as well as start of the pull

[royal lantern]

listen here

im 1,98m, im not little, im a big outlaw hater

[brave stump]

Yes i noticed

Lol

[royal lantern]

(just make outlaw fun to play again and i only hate on its players)

[runic hinge]

I was gonna type something depressing but I’m trying to be better than I was yesterday so just imagine I said I wanted to die on pull irl

[balmy condor]

I’m just memeing cause he brought up outlaw earlier to try and argue that it’s more important

[fluid glade]

yeah its all good tho, 99% of playerbase is completely stupid, math is just wrong etc. bro i get it , i value the quality of life

[runic hinge]

Whoops I said it anyways

[limber lion]

?

[balmy condor]

Small correction, the math is right, you’re the one that’s wrong

[limber lion]

Math is literally correct

[brave stump]

Ye dw im here long enough to figure it out that it's all fun

[limber lion]

And the majority is right

[royal lantern]

yes, most of the playerbase are kinda stupid

no math is not wrong, its right, they literally showed you its right and you ignore it lol

[brave stump]

Except that tryan guy he is dead serious

[fluid glade]

my bad i meant my math

[royal lantern]

nah, not really

[spice surge]

Where this weeks hotfixes, they were applied on monday last week so surely they need to be applied on monday this week too

[brave stump]

[fluid glade]

and yeah 99% of playerbase is stupid yeah for sure

get it bro

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-fortnite-fortnite-dance-griddy-peter-griffin-griddy-gif-10709608781999106611

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

I want to log in, see that no bugs have been fixed, log out and rant

[royal lantern]

i dont like current outlaw, SL outlaw was more my jam

and i really hate its players cus they are some of the most special people possible

[limber lion]

Unlucky bozo

[royal lantern]

something something acro is a warcrime

[brave stump]

BUT IT IS

[spice surge]

Not the A word

[balmy condor]

Acro I can kinda get cause you can actually feel the impact of it

Unlike tricks

Where you don’t notice shit

[royal lantern]

i can also get it, dont worry

[fluid glade]

current outlaw is very fun

[royal lantern]

but i dont get just how crazy they go cus of it

[fluid glade]

just has bugs just like the rest

[brave stump]

Not as fun as it could be

[fluid glade]

tuning wise its middle of the pack thats fine doesnt have to be amazing every season just make trickster not aids

[limber lion]

I was picking Retractable Hook instead of Acro in the raid in BFA

Useless talent that Acro one

Hook at least makes me go faster

[spice surge]

[limber lion]

Zoomzoom

[runic hinge]

Positioning is a skill issue and acro is a crutch for bad players

[limber lion]

Was forced to pick it because of Blade Flurry in m+ gg

[spice surge]

Me picking soothing darkness instead of acro on magmorax

[brave stump]

Ye dont meet me in the outlaw hood

Big yapping here in the Red names

[limber lion]

Very based

[royal lantern]

car crashing into something = big dmg

car faster = more dmg

outlaw faster = more dmg

i did the math for that

you are right

[limber lion]

Big true

Math checks out

[spice surge]

If outlaw is so fast, then why isnt it red?

[royal lantern]

outlaw players are like 40k Orks

they just belive its red, and its red for them

and they are on the same intelligence level aswell

[brave stump]

Lightning is yellow there for outlaw has to be yellow since its the fastest spec

[haughty flicker]

consider this

people think red is fast

but the lightning bolt on lightning mcqueen is yellow

pretty sure his speed is from the color yellow

not red

[eager gazelle]

red at stop light means stop, yellow means speed up to get through intersection in time

more evidence...

[earnest remnant]

you still generate threat as sub in dance

its just a -1mil threat

[balmy condor]

Makes a lot of sense

[earnest remnant]

smacked onto you

[spice surge]

Subs tricks also last 1 hour instead of 6 seconds

[royal lantern]

ye, but even there its like

the BIG threat thing is secret tech, and by the time you used tech, you are allready in combat for a couple seconds and the tank is fine

but ye, 1h tricks is funny for sub

[spice surge]

Well sectech doesnt transfer its threat anyway

[earnest remnant]

xD

[spice surge]

Because the pets do the damage, not you

[royal lantern]

it doesnt

[earnest remnant]

yeh was gonna say the same thing xD

[royal lantern]

wow

[earnest remnant]

its clones

so yeh

[royal lantern]

im overthinking stuff

[limber lion]

Get rekt

[royal lantern]

you understood what i meant anyway

[limber lion]

Or better yet

[balmy condor]

You can generate no aggro a full 60 times longer? Yo sign me up what a deal

[limber lion]

Get erect

[earnest remnant]

it means i wont randomly pull agro from the one mob im eviscerating down

big QoL if you ask me

[spice surge]

Its a tricky maneuver

You have to be a little bit of a trickster to pull it off

[limber lion]

Damn that sounds fucking OP if you ask me

We just learned how strong tricks is

And Sub has it for an hour

Woah

Mobs probably start running away in fear

[haughty flicker]

surely that gets nerfed right

[limber lion]

Hopefully

[balmy condor]

Dude I was fixing my UI for leveling, and while I was out in the world hitting mobs I was generating aggro on them and they’d get mad and hit me back. Think maybe tricks would help here fr

[limber lion]

You can use tricks on me

I can take the beating

[earnest remnant]

the amount of times i have to tell my tank to taunt a specific mob, i can probably count them on 3 hands

sub to strong ong

[balmy condor]

You have 3 hands?

[unborn wharf]

VIBEY

[earnest remnant]

nah i borrowed one

[haughty flicker]

[eager gazelle]

you aren't gaming until you macroed your tricks to your foot pedal

[bronze pike]

Or the hunt into the middle mob and show back, good ol dorki special

[bronze pike]

The bar is looooowwwww

[royal lantern]

demonic spikes are on the back

that means the backside is safe

[bronze pike]

People unironically thought that

[royal lantern]

thats what i mean with "yeha, big parts of the playerbase are kinda stupid"

[haughty flicker]

they just like me fr

[shadow steppe]

sbs hybrid build witch one is it

[jaunty dew]

you don't?

[potent oasis]

Nelf or dwarf for tww ?

M+

[earnest remnant]

nelf

reason

it looks better

np

[potent oasis]

But stoneform bruv

[earnest remnant]

but you look like crap

so not worth it

[fleet pagoda]

it's joever for short characters for me. making a gnome warlock, not being able to set down my gateway 50% of the time because my character is too smol to see the intended location killed it for me

[royal lantern]

🦊

[tired gull]

does the keystone level changes mean a +5 in tww is equivalent to a +15 in df

[spice surge]

S4 of dragonflight had this change already, but for the previous seasons yes roughly

[tired gull]

cool thanks!

[lime crypt]

i dont feel like 10 are equivalent to 20 or is it?

i found 20s in s1 way more harder

and now i clear 10s with basically nothing on me

[royal lantern]

because DF launch dungeons where overtuned as fuck

[lime crypt]

bro ruby life pools

i get goosebumps from the ptsd the moment i wrote the name of thast dungeon

[royal lantern]

you will have the same experience in TWW again, cus bruh most dungeons are tuned like shit and they just ignored it all

the outrage will be funny in the first 2-3 weeks

[haughty flicker]

dont worry tww dungeons are gonna launch overtuned as fuck too so you can recapture that feeling

[lime crypt]

awesome! to be fair from what ive seen

atleast the dungeons look fkin awesome

overall they did amazing job on the zones

[royal lantern]

they are

once

not as repetable content

some of them feel legit abysall for m+

[lime crypt]

ill have to find that out once i get into one myself

for example i found HoI and NO as absolute garbage

[royal lantern]

oh boy

you gonna be in for a treat

[lime crypt]

HoI runback was like

so fkin cringe

what im hoping for is that they dont reuse the skill that the first boss in HoI has or raszageth has

the stormy pools

that stuff broke my pc so much

and i dont even have like a shit pc i like to think atleast

[haughty flicker]

there are some things in wow that just absolutely brick my pc

the sha of pride in SoO

[slate crown]

For me I'm good except like

[haughty flicker]

like literally powerpoints my game

[tired gull]

there are some things in wow that absolutely get me bricked

[lime crypt]

OMG LISONNA HIIII

[slate crown]

HoI, the first boss has a lightning swirl he does

and that thing bricks my fps

[lime crypt]

yeye that stuff

[slate crown]

as soon as it's gone, max fps again

it's only that effect

cringe as fuck

[royal lantern]

ye, that one for me aswell

like, not unplayable

but very very VERY noticable fps drops into the 20 range

[slate crown]

for me it was unplayable lol

like bel said, powerpoint

Tried turning settings down too for it and didn't help

[haughty flicker]

that one never effects me funnily enough

[slate crown]

some optimization bs

[haughty flicker]

idk what it is about sha but

actually fucking bricks everything

i didnt have issues on tindral either when my guild was complaining

[lime crypt]

ye me neither

[earnest remnant]

i think we should all go back to Mythic Denathrius in P1

[lime crypt]

was it bad or what

[earnest remnant]

[lime crypt]

skipped whole shadowlands stuff

that shit did not happen

big fever dream

[spice surge]

Tindral got some baller fps too

[earnest remnant]

never had fps issue on tindral, but my pc is also not the norm

[lime crypt]

what would you consider norm?

[earnest remnant]

mid range pc

[lime crypt]

so like 30 series gpu

i mean i have 3060ti and r7 5800x cpu and i wouldnt really consider it bad

but idk

[earnest remnant]

nah its not

[lime crypt]

i think my biggest issue was when i went from full hd monitor to 2k

was like lets gooo so much fps and ill see so much more

[earnest remnant]

i have 4080 and r7 7800x3d so

[lime crypt]

didnt know how much of an impact would it have

[royal lantern]

4fps + 8 people with a "choke me daddy" wa that makes it even better

[earnest remnant]

but you could run wow on pretty much any gpu

and just have a juicer cpu as long as it isnt getting bottled

like hands down the best purchases people can make for wow in terms of game performance is getting an x3d cpu

those are just nuts for wow

[jaunty dew]

So how is the hero talent going to work when it launches? when we level to 71 we fill the tree up or is gained throughout the 10 levels?

[royal lantern]

you gain points trought the levels, yes

[spice surge]

1 point per level

[royal lantern]

why did they have to make such a half assed mechanic

[slate crown]

Is it still just off you go you get hero talents?

No story buildup or justification for why we're getting new powers and lore opportunities?

[spice surge]

Yep no lore

[lime crypt]

id start at ground 0

first we get working talents

then we can add story to it

[slate crown]

Well it's different teams that don't conflict resources for those things

But yeah, would still prefer bugs to be fixed

[lime crypt]

looks like both teams got no resources then hahaha

[slate crown]

[royal lantern]

its not resources

its time

its always time

time and deadlines, the thing that fucks up almost everything in development

[lime crypt]

i dont really like the whole "wait for balance changes that are coming out 2 weeks into expansions releases"

[royal lantern]

like, its really obvious imo that they had the idea of hero talents with stuff like frostfire/sunfry/rider

thought "yo, this is kinda cool, we should do it"

then it got green light

and instead of giving them time to flesh it out, it now had to get pushed out really fast

so they just took the first ideas anyone had and put it in

thats how we end up with "Hunter has 3 trees that feel and do almost the same"

or rogue has 3 trees that dont even have a real theme and just sling around some vague words

or warrior has 2 trees that are just "idk, warrior stuff i gues????"

[silk bane]

more like they had the idea for a few of the classes

got the idea greenlit

then realized theres 39 specs in teh game

[royal lantern]

thats what im saying

😄

[bronze pike]

Yep

[royal lantern]

like, frostfire was probably the OG idea

[bronze pike]

Nah

[royal lantern]

we had frostfire bolt once, people asked for it back for a LONG time now

[silk bane]

u can clearly see the inspiration

frostfire

hellcaller

[bronze pike]

The og idea was elunes chosen

[silk bane]

diabolist

rider

sunfury

bros litearlly fucking kaelthas

[royal lantern]

but like, then there is Shado-pan monk, which is just some random passive procs thrown togheter and they put the name Shado-Pan on it

like

[silk bane]

and they got to rogue and said fatebound cuz on god they dont know what to do and we dont know what to do and inshallah its up to the fate for that one

[royal lantern]

??????????

deathstalker saying "you do rogue stuff"

trickster saying "you do rogue stuff"

[silk bane]

we spent 20 years trying to not get fucked for target swapping

deathstalker : ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF

well nt me, im like 2 years into this game

rest of yall

[steel geyser]

Trickster for the outlaw clowns that got their fun gameplay nuked going into TWW

Rip bozos

[royal lantern]

like

its just, really halfassed rn

not the time for such a mechanic

they will spend the entire expansion with reworks

[steel geyser]

The usual

[royal lantern]

and high chance that specs with class/spec tree problems will not see them getting fixed cus they will be so busy unfucking "hero trees"

[haughty flicker]

shouldve used tww to iterate on talent trees instead of adding entirely new ones

[royal lantern]

instead of making the baseline for everything good and strong, they allready put an additonal layer on top of it

[haughty flicker]

unlucky

[royal lantern]

its such a gigantic mistake

its insane

like, now if they would want to do bigger changes on a spec

they also need to change all "hero trees" for it

and make sure they even function

its such a midnblowing stupid idea to do it rn

[steel geyser]

I think having perfect tree with every node being fun and situationally good is an utopia

[royal lantern]

its not about having perfect trees, its about having a strong baseline

[steel geyser]

But yea a lot of specs could have got more love

[royal lantern]

and there are quiet a few trees that dont have those yet

hell, sub is one of them, and you can argure outlaw aswell

sub will be an entire expansion filled with bandaid % buffs again

[steel geyser]

Sub did get the less interesting stuff from DF rogue "rework"

We still got some good stuff at the end of last year, let's wait 2 more years before complaining guys

[tall jay]

did we ever decide what are some good leveling trinkets to start with?

[steel geyser]

On use trinkets that are doing instant damage are usually good

I would bring stuff like grieftorch

[tall jay]

I have the GT and Ashes 14/14

[steel geyser]

Kinda bis to me

[tall jay]

cool, i just have 4 bullion left to spend lol

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[sturdy mesa]

That crafted dagger from raid recipe, is it a juicer or nah 🤔

[spice surge]

Currently its horrendously awful and a massive dps loss compared to a regular dagger

Because its speed is 2.6 instead of the regular 1.8, so you lose out on a lot of poison applications

[hollow river]

Yo I’ve got a possible bug for the sheet that someone just brought up

If you want it

[spice surge]

Sure

[cerulean nest]

just got the same delivered today

cant wait

[hollow river]

It seems that if you vanish while the subterfuge buff is up, the vanish will not restealth you

You’ll get the guaranteed stealth from vanish and get forced back out

[runic basin]

assa starting again great until the "fix" the specc

[potent dagger]

4090 and 14900k ^^' but i'm not only playing on the PC

[spice surge]

Ye true

[hollow river]

Yeah I tested it rq

I know it’s not gonna be very impactful in pve but still kinda fucked

[runic hinge]

Holy shit that was probably what was happening to me in bgs

[cerulean nest]

i havent done meaningful upgrades in years so its massive for me. was basically raiding on 30 fps this whole time

[hollow river]

Stealth is just bugged to shit in bgs regardless so maybe not

[potent dagger]

Your rig will blast for WoW for sure, more the CPU than anything else tbf ^^

[runic hinge]

It was definitely happening to me in bgs but also yeah I was just randomly getting knocked out without being within 20 yards of anyone

[hollow river]

Random abilities and buffs from other classes on your team will break you out of stealth even from really far away

[runic hinge]

Too many people wearing sark cloak in bgs

[royal lantern]

its not even that good in raid iirc

ts literally only the aoe stuff beeing Overtuned

[balmy condor]

Yeh

“Single target is the most important thing” mfers when the single target isn’t good but the overall details bar is 25 pixels longer

Like moths to a flame

[long island]

should vanish only be used in case the bleeds drop before the pack dies?

[delicate orbit]

Welp I'm sold. I've been bouncing around in mythic plus all week sprinting to figure out what I want to play and I'm landing on assassination.

I'm very whelmed by the hero talents but the overall game play is superb.

I guess I'll flip coins or something

[runic basin]

really? ST isnt good?

[balmy condor]

It’s either on a longer pack where reapplying is worth it, or on a chained pack

[balmy condor]

St is solidly “meh”

The burst is okay

In raids you’re like towards the top for 25 seconds

And then you disappear from the meters

[long island]

by chained pack do u mean when tank doesnt wait enoguh between packs so that i could go into stealth?

[runic basin]

[slate crown]

it's ok we'll all disappear together

[balmy condor]

Correct

[bright cipher]

[balmy condor]

But like in all seriousness, the aoe is good and scent of blood/singular focus is hard carrying the single target in m+ atm so people are overhyping the shit out of it

[runic basin]

so AOE is overtuned and ST is ok..

[balmy condor]

If you look at like even a dungeon boss

It’s not great

[dire slate]

Hi. Do you guys recommend any weakauras for assassination?

[slate crown]

!wa we have some packs here if you want a full pack. LE Collection has some standalone stuff. Improved Garrote tracker is good for Assassination, otherwise just normal cd/buff trackers

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic basin]

but u ranked it in A+ right? or wasnt that u in Max stream

[balmy condor]

Correct

Couple issues though, the entire tier list is a joke and no one knows where they’re putting anything

By the time I got on, like 80% of specs were above C

And it’s not that assa is bad

It’s just lacking specifically in single target

Aoe is really good

[slate crown]

Max also hyped up the doom for rogue before you got on

so expectations were low

[royal lantern]

should have done the good old "alphabetic order" ranking

[runic hinge]

so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

[royal lantern]

sub S, assa A, outlaw not in

[royal lantern]

huh

[neat smelt]

i got an aneurysm, thanks

[lyric crater]

of cause sub S

[slate crown]

he specifically said after DH "If you think that was dooming wait until we get to rogue, have never seen such doom" or whatever, something along those lines

don't remember exactly

[rocky granite]

Would you say Sub's ST is higher and might even be a potentially better raid spec?

[placid adder]

you would say noone knows

[delicate orbit]

Still rolling with assassination. Sub doesn't feel right

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoigaming-borzoi-sand-dog-meme-gif-7540556842493661710

[balmy condor]

If blizzard decides to tune it that way sure

[delicate orbit]

Janky ass cooldown timers

[balmy condor]

Right now I think it’s all pretty much a wash

[dire slate]

Thank you brotha. I'll look into it!!🙏

[balmy condor]

I’m very proud of that pasta

[royal lantern]

fr

[neat smelt]

on god

[spice surge]

This is not what people mean when they recommend you make your own pasta whispyr

[delicate orbit]

That pasta was all over feral discord earlier

[balmy condor]

Did I doom that hard I wanted to be fairly neutral

[slate crown]

You were neutral

And it was good

[balmy condor]

Ok good

[royal lantern]

did shien happen?

[royal lantern]

neutral-positive imo

[slate crown]

I was saying that Max was playing into the doom that I think both A) is vastly overstated and B) any of it that is stated is misplaced

sorry not "any"

lots of it, there are problems, but there are worse off

[neat smelt]

been a bit out of the loop lately, but main part of our "issues" is still bugs, right?

[balmy condor]

Yeh pretty much

If you consider deathstalker marks poofing in some niche situation a bug, I’d say 99% of our issues are bugs

[cerulean nest]

surely theyre all fixed tomorrow

were good

[lilac knoll]

So ima assume they will be fixed

[slate crown]

There's a few glaring issues (that are not like, core and fundamental, they're issues that could have reasonably straightforward solutions) for each hero tree/spec

[balmy condor]

Yeah me too copium

[slate crown]

Then all the bugs

[sullen hollow]

hey its not released yet, maybe they will fix copium

[lilac knoll]

Surely.

Bliz never let us down before.

[sullen hollow]

[lilac knoll]

[spice surge]

Surely its all gonna be fixed this week

[sullen hollow]

SURELY

[slate crown]

gib

[neat smelt]

listening to Max' tier list stream, apparently they have a rwf discord where they communicate with devs and he was asking for spreadsheets to show them?

but, i mean

it's not like the devs dont know lol

[royal lantern]

that sounds made up lol

[sullen hollow]

the rogue dev still lurks in here right

[royal lantern]

there is no singular dev

[sullen hollow]

he used to atleast

[balmy condor]

Yeah whenever a streamer says that it’s basically guaranteed flex

[royal lantern]

and people really nerd to stop thinking that

[sullen hollow]

i know, but there was one that sometimes would speak up here

[neat smelt]

feels like it

but regardless, they dont need RWF people to send them spreadsheets for the bugs

[balmy condor]

Devs are more than capable of opening wowhead or discord or forums for 3 minutes on a Saturday and seeing the same 5 talking points over and over and over

[lilac knoll]

Would be nice to commicate with devs.

[balmy condor]

They don’t need some rwf gamer to regurgitate it

[neat smelt]

exactly

[balmy condor]

Issue is that the moment dev communication opens, people go ape

[sullen hollow]

ya

[lilac knoll]

Not with like all of us. Ppl will 100% go ape.

[spice surge]

"Oh wow a dev made something i dont like, time for a death threat"
^ Theres an unreasonable amount of people that did this btw

[placid adder]

mostly the yellow names

[sturdy mesa]

Oh lmao didn't notice the speed, thanks for the heads up ❤️

[lilac knoll]

I bet. Idk why ppl do this.

But

[balmy condor]

You get people yelling at them for the wrong decision, glazing them for the right decision, armchair dev’ing the game because they feel they can do it better

And in basically every case, it’s not even that specific dev that actually made a change cause at the end of the day they’re a tech company and you’d be dented to think they don’t sit in hours of meetings arguing back and forth about what to nerf or buff and why

[spice surge]

Well ye all daggers except this one are 1.8, this one they just screwed up and havent fixed it

[lilac knoll]

I'd even take "we see players feedback but this is how we want the specs to play"

[haughty flicker]

because the internet lets people go from a little unhinged but afraid to say anything like irl, to actually unhinged and feels safe to express it

actually wild what people say on the internet

[sturdy mesa]

Yea i just assumed it was same speed lmao hopefully they change it who knows

[royal lantern]

in destiny1, there was a exotic (basically legendary items) for a class that gave them a air dash

in D2, you had people asking for it again, they said "no, no plans for it, another class allready has a air dash and we have other ideas cooking"

the dev that wrote that got death threats in his mailbox 🙂

Gamers

the most reasonable people on the planet

[lilac knoll]

I heard about that.

Ppl are wild.

[balmy condor]

Yeh can’t do that either though cause a stance like that would get a ton of backlash for years about how close minded and unwilling to change and blah blah blah

[lilac knoll]

Yeah

There is no win for the devs.

[royal lantern]

people STILL rage about the WoD demo lock comment lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

when it was just "we wanna do bigger changes for it in the next expansion, its better if you dont play it rn"

and they did that

[spice surge]

Developers’ notes: To make our raid buffs more equal across varied group compositions, we're reducing the effectiveness of Arcane Intellect and Chaos Brand from 5% to 3%. We feel this will help to improve the balance of caster heavy versus melee heavy groups when participating in non-raid content.
The age of zugzug is upon us

[balmy condor]

I mean we kinda do it too even as a meme, cause they said in legion that one of their ideas was to add pickpocketing to crimson vial

That was fucking almost 9 years ago

[royal lantern]

ye

[balmy condor]

And we still sit here and go kekw yeah change is happening when they add vial pickpocket

[lilac knoll]

[royal lantern]

tbf, it was bad timing there

cus like

they announced it again during SL

nerfed vial

and then nothing

[haughty flicker]

based

fuck mages and dh

[royal lantern]

which left a soure taste for some peeps

[haughty flicker]

rsham triple melee meta

is upon us

[marble hemlock]

chat is this real

[haughty flicker]

its real

[royal lantern]

no

,ou are asleep

[spice surge]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24122901/hotfixes-august-19-2024

[haughty flicker]

[lilac knoll]

Damn

I wonder how much that will actually change.

[royal lantern]

well

they where the 2 strongest buffs BY FAR

like, by a landslide

arcane int was so much value its not even funny anymore

same with brand cus almost everyone in this game does magic dmg

[lilac knoll]

Truee

[royal lantern]

people often forget

[marble hemlock]

brand was about twice as good as monk debuff, ye

[royal lantern]

arcane int is not just more dmg, its also more healing

that often is forgoten

[marble hemlock]

only caster that didnt benefit from int was boomkin, because they have 0 braincells and 0*1.05 is still 0.

[lilac knoll]

Lmao

[spice surge]

In most raids its even higher than that, like 2.5-3x

[white lance]

Tettles

[spice surge]

The aug main?

[white lance]

currently yea!

[midnight mist]

what is affected by dh debuff for sin

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

everything that isn't bleeds mutilate or melee

it's magic damage

[static glacier]

biggest rogue buff eu

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

thats a lot

[balmy condor]

magic is non-phys

[midnight mist]

ah ok

straight up

[balmy condor]

yeah incoming 1.5% nerf to sin

[midnight mist]

tbf its a nerf to basically everyone

so

still a melee buff

[spice surge]

Outlaw buff

[static glacier]

outlaw, warriors and bm eating good

[midnight mist]

outlaw big buff

[white lance]

relative warrior buff? 🤔

[midnight mist]

ye

bbut still a relative sin buff

[static glacier]

ngl as a whole the mage + dh buff nerfs are really good for us as a class

[spice surge]

Warrior outlaw and some hunter specs (not entirely sure with hero talents) are the ones that do mostly phys

[static glacier]

primarily bm, both trees do a bunch of magic dmg for mm

[spice surge]

Ye but doesnt BM have some magic too

[static glacier]

very little iirc

just exp shot / serpent

bm is almost all phys and bleed

[spice surge]

Black arrow n stuff though right

[static glacier]

black arrow and its tree is shadow ye, but i think the portion of dmg done as shadow for bm is a lot less still

since its mastery doesn't benefit the tree

while mm does iirc

[spice surge]

I see

[static glacier]

gonna double check before i yap further

[royal lantern]

no no

keep yapping

[static glacier]

can confirm both sv and mm do significant magic dmg

[haughty flicker]

sentinel op

[spice surge]

He is spreading real information

[indigo mulch]

Get the pitchforks, no real information allowed.

[royal lantern]

no facts

only feelings

[indigo mulch]

Feelcraft is the way

[spice surge]

Tbf its 2024, its time for 📠 to die

[royal lantern]

mate

visit germany, you would cry

[spice surge]

I have visited germany ye

[indigo mulch]

I live in Germany.

[royal lantern]

the 📠 pain

everywhere

cus emails are the devils work or smth like that

[indigo mulch]

Atleast there is good bread. That's about it.

[static glacier]

struggling to find a bm sim

[royal lantern]

70% will be pet auto hits anyway

[static glacier]

obviously take the overall numbers with a pinch of salt, just showing if the spec does significant elemental dmg or not

[indigo mulch]

I didn't think there was many sims out there.

[static glacier]

plenty of specs have functional sims for tww atm

[indigo mulch]

I mean, to be fair by the time we hit HC shit will be nerfed/buffed anyway.

[static glacier]

yeah, for the most part sims are good for testing stat distribution on different talents / apl

more than comparing specs to eachother

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, i just equip whatever the highest ilvl is

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[static glacier]

ye it is

[indigo mulch]

I'm very torn on my alt tho, i don't know if i want to play affliction or arcane. :C

[static glacier]

level both, you can decide after playing em

[indigo mulch]

I'm old, i don't have time to level a bunch of characters :C I don't even have time to play on early accses. That entire weekend is booked 😦

[royal lantern]

2choices?

flip a coin

[swift fossil]

both are going to be good just flip a coin tbj

[indigo mulch]

Okay then. Tyran has spoken

[delicate orbit]

Arcane has more innate movement

[static glacier]

VEEEEERY negligible non phys dmg on bm

[royal lantern]

if you are OK with the result, thats the answer

if your first thought is "damm, i wanted the other thing" its ALSO a answer @indigo mulch

[delicate orbit]

Affliction is less burst based

[indigo mulch]

Heads = arcane | tails = affliction

[marble hemlock]

that graph is an affront to my eyes

[delicate orbit]

Affliction in dungeons feels meh outside of soul rot. Arcane feels meh outside of touch windows. Pick your poison

[indigo mulch]

Arcane it is.

[static glacier]

whenever I snip stuff it deep fries it, I think it has something to do with hdr

[spice surge]

Yep hdr screws it

[royal lantern]

deadly and amp

[haughty flicker]

duck

[static glacier]

anyways its sub 3% magic dmg on bm

[lethal vector]

apologies if this has been asked before as i'm not very active in here, but why does the opener say to use tea at the beginning of kingsbane instead of during the final 6 seconds?

haven't played since season 3 and i remember we used to use tea during the final 6 seconds of kingsbane

[fleet pagoda]

kb was nerfed so buffing it's last few giga ticks lost some value, good to use for energy now in comparison. it's used early in the opener to get it on CD asap

[lethal vector]

so with the exception of the opener, we aren't saving 1 charge to line up with kingsbane then

just pop on the opener and then use for energy after that

[glossy imp]

we also don't use vanish for the crit buff at the end anymore as a result iirc

[fleet pagoda]

nah, there's some reference to how to use it in the pins. mostly you're using it with shiv in addition to the condition that you're not overcapping energy when using it

[lethal vector]

i see that now. thanks

[fleet pagoda]

so, like, priority for use is 1. making sure you're not sitting on capped stacks, 2. use with shiv if you don't overcap energy, 3. drink em up if the boss boutta die

but I guess since we send shiv with kb we're sending tea with kb so i just gaslit you a bit

[lethal vector]

lmaoo

i got it. no worries

[normal mist]

Tea charges are used during shiv windows, no point in using them outside of them

[raven egret]

not point in holding on to them forever either, using charges for energy is perfectly fine

[kindred breach]

Omfg the intellect arcane nerf

Its happening

[raven egret]

uhm

yay...?

[regal bluff]

!wa

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[kindred breach]

If you add the dh buff nerf its a big L to the actual god comp and for many range across the board

Soooo I mean arent we getting closer to a more balanced meta for m+?

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[spice surge]

Why would it be copium

[raven egret]

Its not, it doesn't actually change anything.

[kindred breach]

Because I dont really realize how big of a nerf it is

[raven egret]

it really isn't a huge deal

[spice surge]

People acting like an entire expansions worth of changes wont have any impact on the meta in m+

[kindred breach]

It seems big thats why

[raven egret]

Changing double sigils on VDH? Yeah ok we can talk about how that will impact the meta. Slight nerfs to the magic dmg boosts? That wont even move the needle

[fleet pagoda]

it just reduces a smidgen of value from those classes and, like, aug indirectly too probably

[uneven plume]

Of course theres a new meta with the nerfs. It’s vdh/mage/aug/range/rsham

3% is better than 0

Eta gg

[kindred breach]

Like meta stayed the same for the past 3 updates and feels like their finally trying to do something about it

[runic hinge]

I think as long as aug exists it’ll always be meta unless they make keys more about doing enough damage instead of living 1 shots

[kindred breach]

Yeah u right dh still cooks

[runic hinge]

Mage buffs the Aug and priest gives Stam and pi

[kindred breach]

So i guess it won’t change much

[raven egret]

I should've said how it 'Might' impact the meta, btu yeah today's nerfs are a nothing burger

[uneven plume]

Plus tomorrow some melee will be tuned as well

[haughty flicker]

they kind of moved towards this with lowering timers and increased death penalty

[spice surge]

People vastly overrate how much things that arent damage matter. If priest does shit damage, it wont be played

[haughty flicker]

but then they still make everyone one shot you

so idk

[spice surge]

Its been doing 15% more damage than any other spec in the entire game for 3 seasons, ofc its gonna be played

[haughty flicker]

as much as mage is memed as protagonist spriest was definitely the main character in df

[uneven plume]

Sp does redic damage now

You just need a high key and non braindead people

Not a 8 with pugs

[rose crown]

So i havn't looked into tww at all yet, which - i probably should, anyways playing rogue, prefer ass, how we looking fokes?

[uneven plume]

People sleepin on SP rn like it doesn’t obliterate shit backwards

It’s just lacking cc and 45 sec silence

[kindred breach]

Rn not so bad but it could change tomorow or any day until the 18th september

[rose crown]

yeah, im expecting everything to change before launch,

[raven egret]

We ok. Our hero talents are thematically abysmal, but functional (despite issues still existing), we need some attention, didn't get it, but we ok

[kindred breach]

So you should not worry about it

[rose crown]

How we feeling about the playstyle

[uneven plume]

Sin is the only rogue spec that’s not in the gulag

Outlaw and sub can cope

[spice surge]

Sub is fine

[uneven plume]

But I’ve seen the pulls in 13s and higher

Outlaw ain’t gonna get brung

Maybe SV

And that’s a big if

[spice surge]

Ye and then theres a single balance patch and suddenly everything is changed

[spice surge]

Plays almost exactly as in s3 and s4 of dragonflight

[uneven plume]

If the balance patch uncaps outlaw

[spice surge]

If you liked that youll probably like it in tww

[uneven plume]

Yah

It will change

[spice surge]

Oh youre one of the uncapped andies

[uneven plume]

Just saying. I’ve seen and been in groups that pull 15 mobs on beta

It’s possible

Even with the new dungeons

[raven egret]

sigh, uncapping a single ability doesn't solve anything, it's damage would be nerfed so hard you'd cry to go back to being capped. The solution is for them to revisit the entire target cap system, as it quite failed at delivering it's objective.

[uneven plume]

Exactly

[raven egret]

across all classes**

[kindred breach]

Yeah you cant just uncap bf

[uneven plume]

They would just nerf the damage

That’s why outlaw in the gulag

[kindred breach]

It would be too strong Without nerfing it properly

[raven egret]

ok and that solves what problem?

[rose crown]

I'm honestly not sure how they fix, if target capping stuff should be a thing, some classes would just never get play, even less so that currently in higher keys

[raven egret]

the same issue will still exist across the board, uncapping BF does absolutely nothing

[silk bane]

the cope is so insane its unreal

[uneven plume]

It will help outlaw get into higher keys because of their utility and stops

[silk bane]

was oultaw uncapped in season 3?

no?

[uneven plume]

But they would def nerf the damage

[silk bane]

then why was it so good?

[uneven plume]

And then it’s back to range dps

[silk bane]

is enhance uncapped? no? then why is it so good rn on beta

like actually astronomical levels of cope

[raven egret]

^

[spice surge]

Idk would be nice to see them get softcapped for 1 week just for them to realize it doesnt really matter

[kindred breach]

I believe target cap is lame especially since litteraly everyone has been but it doesn’t make so much of a diff since overall is what your looking at

[silk bane]

no its not

what does oversall even matter for?

[kindred breach]

If dung are well tuned outlaw is excellent like in df s3

[silk bane]

are u trying to time a 7? youre fine as anything

are you trying to time a 22?

then overall doesnt matter

just kill the big prio guy and the boss

[uneven plume]

Outlaws prio is kaka too tho

[silk bane]

holy shit

your prio is your single target damage

litearlly

[raven egret]

Uncapping BF wouldn't solve that "issue", nor would make Outlaw do more damage with what they would have to do to attempt to balance that nightmare

[silk bane]

youre litearlly single targetting a giy

saying it sucks = outlaws single target sucks = just tune the game

instead of cope about overall and target caps

but also outlaws single target is like 15% ahead of sub and sin

so does it suck?

not really

[uneven plume]

Who’s playing behind that outlaw?

[kindred breach]

I feel it does. Its lame that your in a big pull and hitting like 5 mobs in it

But yeah I got u it dosent change a Thing damage wise

[rose crown]

True, but would you want your aoe tuned around having huge pulls

[kindred breach]

Tuning change it

[raven egret]

welcome to more than half the specs in the game, we all acknowledge target caps are an issue and an experiment that did not yield the results desired, but there aint no fixing it without sweeping design change across all specs

[kindred breach]

Tbf I like when big Numbers pop everywhere so yeah kinda but I guess its personal opinion

[rose crown]

Yeah many numbers is a good time i respect that

Would just suck if there's a pull where you do 20ish mobs, next pull you wait for cds, so you do a single pack before a boss, and your damage is just in the gutter on those 5

[delicate orbit]

Isn't that the life of arcane?

[rose crown]

yeah but fuck arcane

[kindred breach]

100% agree on this im a rogue only but we need to change all classes

[delicate orbit]

Feels like the life of unholy too. All damage front loaded in cooldowns. Once they're done you're below the tank for a few pulls

[kindred breach]

To solve target cap problem

[thorny jasper]

is echoing reprimand bugged rn

[raven egret]

context? in what way?

[thorny jasper]

my combo points arent showing up but ive updated all my addons

so is anyone having that issue

[raven egret]

thats definitely a you issue with your addons

[spice surge]

It works correctly, so sounds like its an issue on your end with your UI

[thorny jasper]

epic ty

[outer marten]

quick question for clarification: does Shadowmeld work like a secondary vanish for us? I noticed it does for feral druid but wasn't sure if it was the same

[spice surge]

It does not

You need to stealth to gain all the benefits

And a decent chunk of the time thats possible in m+ (on non-bosses), but its often janky and doesnt let you leave combat immediately

By going meld>stealth that is

[outer marten]

Hmm, alright. Just didn't know if I could use it mid-combat to drop and restealth for imp garrot/IC

[spice surge]

Only if it lets you leave combat and you stealth immediately after, so you can never do it on a boss

[dreamy canyon]

!wa

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[outer marten]

Bah, ok. So Nelf isn't really worth it then

[raven egret]

any race is more than ok

Argument could be made for meld in arenas but yeah

[outer marten]

Aye, I know races are pretty balanced now, just thought maybe nelf would allow me some shenannigans

[fleet pagoda]

i'm not sure if it's changing in tww but meld was pretty powerful for canceling certain boss' spells/mechanics in DF. as a nelf enjoyer definitely wouldn't recommend it with the expectation that meld will reliably let you stealth

[bleak ledge]

dwarf tends to be very popular for pve

[blazing raft]

I havent played rogue since legion but might want to main the class in WWI, how does the class differ from legion?

[outer marten]

Yeah, I enjoy nelf as well but wanted to do something different for my rogue

[outer marten]

that's ultimately what I chose lol. Stoneform is nice, and is a bit different aesthetic

[south lava]

How much dps loss if forget slice n dice

In one aoe pack

[peak flower]

Can anyone help me with the order of which my rotation goes ? I’m struggling on assassin right now (I’m new)

[slate crown]

!guide Guides are up to date, let us know if you have questions after checking them out

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[peak flower]

I’ve read them and I’m still a little confused hehe 😬

Like I’m not sure how to make my kingsbane do more damage

[delicate orbit]

Could you elaborate on what you're struggling with

[peak flower]

And my shiv cooldowns

[delicate orbit]

Do you have envenom up? Did you shiv prior? Do you have and up?

[peak flower]

Do I use shiv while kingsbane is procced?

Okay so shiv prior

And do I use shiv again while it’s active ?

[white lance]

wasnt there an image showing the opener somewhere?

[peak flower]

Do I have and up?

[delicate orbit]

Kb is a debuff, not a proc. You shiv prior, and then again after the first shiv wears off

[delicate orbit]

Autocorrect. SND

[slate crown]

Not yet, for TWW with hero talents they'll be in the guide updates

[peak flower]

Snd?

Sorry I’m new I don’t know acronyms

YET

[delicate orbit]

Slice and dice

[peak flower]

I don’t know them yet

Slice and dice for if

Got it

[white lance]

ah right

[peak flower]

Does slice and dice make me attack faster or reduce cooldowns?

That’s the ability that makes me attack 50% faster right

[slate crown]

Just poke faster

[peak flower]

Okay I thought so

So do I set up my first kingsbane using death mark prior ?

And then shiv, then envenom and shiv again towards the end?

[delicate orbit]

The basics of big KB is envenom, then shiv, kb, and keep using envenom to roll your poison application buff. Read the KB tooltip carefully.

[peak flower]

Okay cool thank you so much

[delicate orbit]

More auto attacks = more application chances = higher kb damage

[peak flower]

Besides KB, What should I be doing between that cooldown time

OH so I should be giving my self more time to do auto attacks?

[delicate orbit]

Chain envenom when you have the energy for it and maintain dots really

[peak flower]

Okay cool

Thank you so much

[delicate orbit]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[peak flower]

Awesome

[fleet pagoda]

did anybody else notice we have a Kingsbane buff communicating our dmg+ now? how long ago was this added? lol

[delicate orbit]

Get used to snacking while playing. You're going to have downtime haha

[peak flower]

What about add ons

[slate crown]

Just new with TWW, was in the first couple of TWW patches

[peak flower]

Do we have a list of addons we should be using

[delicate orbit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[peak flower]

And I hear rogues don’t use macros right

[slate crown]

Generally Weakauras is the main one. Plater is also good. Those are just general all-wow addons. No specific addons for Rogue or assassination

[slate crown]

We don't have major macros really. Placing your on-use trinket with Deathmark is the main one.

[delicate orbit]

The only addon I recommend outside of bigwigs or littlewigs is autopotion.

[peak flower]

Okay

[delicate orbit]

Oh yeah, and weak auras but I assume most players use them

[slate crown]

With TWW you could also macro Coldblood to Fan of Knives/Mutilate if you are going Fatebound

[peak flower]

Thank you guys

[vivid crown]

do we have a consensus on which WA pack people think communicates best?

[slate crown]

No, the above packs are all popular

[delicate orbit]

I personally prefer Luxthos but I heavily edit mine

[slate crown]

There's not really a consensus, they're all used and it's just personal preference

[outer marten]

Autopotion?

[haughty flicker]

which wa works best for you is heavily personal

[slate crown]

It's really personal preference so whichever you feel communicates the best to you is the best one. Try them out and see if any speak to you

[haughty flicker]

i'd recommend trying them all and then modifying them as you want

[vivid crown]

that's what i've been using. i think honestly the biggest changes i would need to make are for much more clear shiv and kb

[delicate orbit]

It uses a macro to bind crimson vial and health pots together. First press is vial, second is pot. Has features for other things like health stones and stuff. Nifty

[vivid crown]

but i'll look at the others too

[delicate orbit]

YES. While I was learning I would forget my second shiv all the time. I have it show a glow on shiv when kb is up and shiv falls off now. Every little bit helps

[outer marten]

Oooo, even more keybind saving? I like

[vivid crown]

that's where i'm at too, so i'll mess around with that

[delicate orbit]

Give it a shot! I swear by it. Very convenient.

[outer marten]

I need to do this too, and put actual timers on my CDs. Just to help line things up

[slate crown]

Not to self advertise but KB timeline helps me remember to use second shiv and when to use it, which you can use on top of luxthos without taking my whole pack

[outer marten]

I’ll absolutely do that. I use OPie for the same thing out of combat, so definitely will try autopotion

[delicate orbit]

Opie is solid. Great addon there

[outer marten]

Been using that thing since like late tbc. It’s a life saver for mounts, portals on mage, I even use it for shifting on my druid

[vivid crown]

is that under the rogue collection or group?

[outer marten]

World markets too

[slate crown]

Collection has all the one-off standalones

LE Collection

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vivid crown]

so if i were to try out yours, would i want both the LE group and collection?

[slate crown]

If you were to try out my pack overall, you don't need the collection. Everything in the collection is in the group already

[vivid crown]

gotcha

ty fren

[outer marten]

How exactly does the pooling practice tool work?

[raven egret]

essentially is alike a rotation helper, it is to help you get used to always keep at least one tea charge on CD and to be patient before envenoming to maintain an envenom chain

Whisp could tell you the exact details but hope the overview helps a bit

[white lance]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[white lance]

I guess it follows that

[past elk]

hi guys, I heard that there is a (bug) currently on assa, is this true?

[raven egret]

Yep, to be clear right now that tool uses the 4p set we currently have as icon since maintaining a chain for that 4p bonus is the key

[raven egret]

You are going to have to be very much more specific than that

[past elk]

the kinbgban will do too much damage (I heard that)

[raven egret]

you... heard that. From...?

[floral vale]

What do the "+2 CP" above rupture mean in your pack?

[haughty flicker]

sbs

bone spike

[floral vale]

ah ok that makes sense, maybe it's buggy on the dummies

[main blaze]

You spooked him.

We could have found how to do massive kingsbane damage

Now we just have to settle on okay kingsbane damage.

[south lava]

My fan on knives sometimes only get 2 cps from 5 target dummies
When i practice
Can i know why

[main blaze]

Crit

[south lava]

Isnt it supposed to get 1 cp for 1 target

[main blaze]

You are thinking of the sub ability, shuriken storm

[balmy condor]

1cp per 1 crit

Not 1 target

[junior aurora]

love the lowroll where you just dont crit

[rotund oak]

and its like 3 targets

so u know it barely worths to fok

[fleet pagoda]

in a world where the ER/deathstalker shenanigans don't get fixed, do we just wind up taking CB on that instead?

[rotund oak]

we dont get ER anyway

and ye idk,w/o er interacting with DN why even play it

doesnt reset the tree

[fleet pagoda]

yar that's what I mean

[raven egret]

We'Re not very blessed in the capstones department

[balmy condor]

You would take 2/2 leth and er raw

[south lava]

Do we use vanish for improved garrote before deathmark or after deathmark

[fleet pagoda]

on your opener/first Deathmark you'll want to vanish to apply another improved garrote while 6s (to optimize epidemic while getting vanish back sooner for next DM) remain on the current garrote. then on your next DM, delay it a tiny bit until vanish is back and then get another improved garrote up followed by DM

[south lava]

So we use vanish before dm right

[fleet pagoda]

yeah, outside of the opener 🙂

[south lava]

What if we use improved garrote after dm
It wont take effect?

[fleet pagoda]

it will. but to get the most out of imp garrote and deathmark you want them together

if you're getting double garrote ticks, might as well make it +50% damage ticks for the whole DM duration instead of like half of it with baseline snoozer garrote ticks

[rotund oak]

deathstalker 💀

uve convinced me to play fatebound with reason

im not touching that thing unless its fixed

[slate crown]

It is buggy on dummies and always will be, it's janky because it can only pull from Nameplates reliably but if you have bone spike out on an enemy that is outside of nameplate range can't detect without manually tracking things with custom triggers (Multi-target doesn't track bone spike well, and nameplate is limited by, well, nameplates)

In a real environment where the only enemies you have spiked are showing on nameplates, it'll be fine

[raven egret]

ER raw - I mean needing 2 points for that ability is already a tough pill to swallow for me

[nova kelp]

so will dracthyr be a decent rogue race after the changes lock in?

[shy pecan]

I’m guessing it won’t be bad from a M+ perspective because of the 2.5% mastery, AoE knock-upand knockback. But that’s about it

[fleet pagoda]

that'd be a lot of goodies for m+ in one race. skyriding as dracthyr is the bis racial though

[slate crown]

I would anticipate that the knocks will be nerfed a tad as their power was originally designed with evoker's kit

But skyriding goodge qol

Definitely considering swapping myself for funzies and maybe for perception bonus too

[haughty flicker]

gliding

the most important part

easy swap

[hollow talon]

is sin still the best spec rn

i have not played since maw rattle

[grim jay]

Id probably play dwarf before id voluntarily swap to dracthyr

[royal lantern]

didnt they say that

multiple times now lol

like, its a no brainer that this will happen, and that the current versions will be evoker class tree talents

[royal lantern]

or just be smart enough to not pay 20bucks for a imaginary "adventage" and play what you want

[slate crown]

Mf doesn’t think having wings and scales is an advantage

[haughty flicker]

go to valdrakken

and jump in circles around the fountain

then jump in circles around the fountain with a race/class that can glide

and tell me there isnt an advantage

[orchid pewter]

You do laps on a mount tho

[haughty flicker]

glide op

[silk bane]

?? who needs wings and scales when u can just front flip.

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[haughty flicker]

laps arent the same without oribos

now we fountain jump

[quiet oar]

Thats why you are green

You have the based answers

[silk bane]

[quiet oar]

Oribos was the perfect city for the running circle idle

[haughty flicker]

oribos lap timer the only good thing to come from shadowlands

[shy pecan]

ER/Flag

[quiet oar]

BASED

[shy pecan]

SBS

[quiet oar]

Sepsis

[silk bane]

[orchid pewter]

Flag

[quiet oar]

I wish mikanikos capstone was in game

ER CDR goes brr

[shy pecan]

Same