Thats fine
#assassination
spice surge
south lava
Thats fine
o7
spice surge
red wolf
ah gotcha
rocky granite
So I was just hitting the training dummies at Stormwind and noticed Deathstalker's Mark refresh on the Raider's Training Dummy, but it refreshes in the PVP Training Dummy [from Darkest Night]. Is this a bug?
spice surge
Its incredibly weak though
spice surge
So I was just hitting the training dummies at Stormwind and noticed Deathstalker...
Not sure what you mean, using darkest night refreshes it regardless of target
red wolf
that explains why none of the builds take that talent anymore, I didn't even notice it wasn't the poison application one anymore since the icon is the same lol
wait nevermind I'm just dense ignore me
ruby oyster
If they ever tune up that talent I just hope there is alternative ideally making spec a bit faster
oblique jackal
i just did my first +16 key e ver
ruby oyster
Waiting for energy to pool and chaining envenoms was often slow even if avarage apm doesn't show it
oblique jackal
with 630k BH
normal mist
Waiting for energy to pool and chaining envenoms was often slow even if avarage ...
think about it like this: We do damage when it matters, we are fast when it matters
normal mist
with 630k BH
oblique jackal
idk if thats good but damn im proud!
normal mist
You DID a 16, thats awesome
red wolf
You timed key = it's good
oblique jackal
yeah at a 17 now
red wolf
Overall dmg is dependent on so many factors out of your control that it's not really relevant
ruby oyster
think about it like this: We do damage when it matters, we are fast when it matt...
What matters to me is having fun, s3 wasn't fun, mostly because it felt slower outside of cds
oblique jackal
so true!
normal mist
What matters to me is having fun, s3 wasn't fun, mostly because it felt slower o...
then this will be the wrong spec to you, because we'll play the same
s3 = s4
and TWW s1 will probably feel the same
since nothing really changed
ruby oyster
Well I been playing assa almost exclusively for 18 years or so and I never had least fun than in s3 so maybe it's just me but there was clearly a change how it feels to play assa
royal lantern
i mean
normal mist
But we've been pooling for so long
royal lantern
assa gameplay in S3 was not really different
like, at all lol
that gameplay was always optimal
the tierset just amplified it
limber lion
Not true
last skiff
limber lion
We did not forcibly chain Envenoms. Dropping them did not matter whatsoever.
Chaining was a misplay.
limber lion
Lol
royal lantern
limber lion
royal lantern
red wolf
normal mist
ruby oyster
the tierset just amplified it
pooling on its own is fine but didn't we get nerfed energy regen in s3 + sanguine? it definitely felt slower to play outside cds
limber lion
Yeah but it eats energy, that's what he's saying
ruby oyster
yeah and suddenly dropping regen when you pass 50% feels wierd af to me
limber lion
But I do not buy the "18 years of Assa"
limber lion
Because EP Assa was so damn slow
This is like turbomode in comparison
EP Assa around 45apm, current Assa hanging around 58apm or whatever
limber lion
static glacier
if env uptime was deadge would we even change anything
wed just pool before every env for 2 muts
balmy condor
we'd play around rapid injection and sanguine differently yeah
static glacier
rapid injection would be even worse
balmy condor
wdym would be even worse
static glacier
say they halved env duration
you'd have less opportunities to proc rapid injection in a fight
balmy condor
sure, and it would get buffed to compensate
static glacier
either way i'd think the prio would be fitting env > mut mut maybe 3rd mut and wait
unless im mistaken I think fitting mut in env is more valuable than fitting env into it
being 2 hits and all
balmy condor
what
static glacier
im picturing how we'd play if we had low env uptime
balmy condor
you would chain a couple of envenoms back to back and then break your uptime and repeat
static glacier
idk why im imagining a world where chaining more than 1 env is impossible
balmy condor
idk why you're doing that either
jaunty dew
@balmy condor How did the energy felt on ST?
I get that on m+ we can get decent regen on AOE but how did it feel on ST?
Did you feel a lot of downtime in order to pool?
peak bobcat
bro this spec has energy out of the ass now
theres not a lot of downtime
you spend maybe 6 seconds a minute "pooling"
jaunty dew
bro this spec has energy out of the ass now
Again, for AOE yes. on ST with the chaining of envenoms and lack of targets your regen is significantly hampered
peak bobcat
on st
peak bobcat
if you actually follow the pandemic rule of envenom then theres almost no downtime due to lack of energy
especially with tea
spice surge
I mean theres definitely downtime inbetween the envenoms, but not like 10 seconds of waiting like in s3 when you wanted to reset your chain
But ye it doesnt really matter as you keep the buff up anyway
peak bobcat
i remember in bfa and SL starving for energy
balmy condor
I remember season 1 dragonflight forcing me to press envenom with nearly 4 seconds left on the buff just to avoid overcapping energy
and then I remember season 2 dragonflight doing the same thing
peak bobcat
yep
balmy condor
and then I remember the rework going "hey yeah envenom uptime might be crazy high that's weird" and them nerfing it to try and curb the uptime
and then I remember logging into tww beta
and the uptime being near 100% again
THE CYCLE OF LIFE
jaunty dew
Is there an updated bug list?
balmy condor
pins
jaunty dew
Says content not available
spice surge
The picture is in the message
balmy condor
mother fuck
discord timed it out again
piece of shit fucking app
there
should be back
spice surge
EP Assa around 45apm, current Assa hanging around 58apm or whatever
We're almost at the 45 mark again 
Depending on build ofc but its like 48 or something last i checked
balmy condor
yah
ruby oyster
But I do not buy the "18 years of Assa"
i mean i said "mostly", high or low apm isnt the only factor (especially as its usually average) so while in the past it was lower context was also different, obviously this is extremely subjective but i just had negative experience going from s1/2 into s3 (despite raid being quite enjoyable) and i genuinely dont remember feeling as bad playing assa in the past
balmy condor
blizzard just actually has to go back to the drawing board with envenom
jaunty dew
mother fuck
Well, might be known but I just noticed that using S&D on an ER combo point results in only a 23~ second buff
jaunty dew
ye
balmy condor
ye
spice surge
Its the same ER bug as the one with internal bleeding, and the one with darkest night
balmy condor
intended
spice surge
Or wait nvm ye
balmy condor
no
spice surge
ER is only damaging finishers
balmy condor
slice and dice just doesn't work on ER combo points
spice surge
So it shouldnt work with snd
balmy condor
it definitely doesn't 
limber lion
We're almost at the 45 mark again <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
Very cool
oblique jackal
Wow! I got a 98 parse for my first ever +16.. Let's gooo!
rotund oak
parsing in keys
oblique jackal
oh i know
balmy condor
oh okay
oblique jackal
still super pumped though
balmy condor
+16 is big
normal mist
The orange color is pretty
rotund oak
oblique jackal
+16 is big
It was my first 16 so just a proud moment! Orange color is great!
I parsed 62 for ilvl which is 521
balmy condor
normal mist
It was my first 16 so just a proud moment! Orange color is great!
Honestly proud of you man, lets go
keep pushing
oblique jackal
royal <33
rotund oak
<a:catyes:773919366923550720>
sin lvls up through campaign with ER right?
balmy condor
probably
balmy condor
no clue
balmy condor
you're out of your mind if you think I'm gonna try and waste time optimizing talents for 6 hours of cutscene-simulator every 2 years
balmy condor
I mean play the more comfortable thing then
static glacier
sin lvls up through campaign with ER right?
hot take
doubble vanish is bis for questing
balmy condor
how would me telling you that something is 0.5% better make your leveling experience better
balmy condor
doubble vanish is bis for questing
yeh that's reasonable
spice surge
Its the validation, not the pecentages whispyr
rotund oak
doubble vanish is bis for questing
that doesnt counter ER in any way though
static glacier
dropping combat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual dps
static glacier
that doesnt counter ER in any way though
imo its double vanish + tea
rotund oak
imo its double vanish + tea
🤔
balmy condor
like unless you're some gigachad leveling speedrunner are you seriously gonna be chaining open world packs
that seems kinda bonkers
static glacier
🤔
tea is good for the extra max energy
and double vanish for having two charges of dropping aggro
rotund oak
tea is good for the extra max energy
that does make sense ye
balmy condor
dropping aggro when you're solo questing 
static glacier
thats my logic, i think er is good but the alternatives are more useful
static glacier
dropping aggro when you're solo questing <a:Thinkge:857927331967926272>
ye, you never been aggro'd by random shit that you gota get away from
or pulled a pack and got the quest item with 3 mobs left
rotund oak
i think er rotates its cd pretty fast tbh it shouldnt be that much of a big deal
tea vs er
static glacier
er is great, a hard hitting gen with chunky envs attatched
balmy condor
I'll tell you rn that the guide will be tea er deeper
fallen shore
im doing dogshit st
static glacier
cook up ur own levelling build, it's fun
balmy condor
do with that what you will
balmy condor
do the damage you're doing, but more of it
rotund oak
I'll tell you rn that the guide will be tea er deeper
ty for your support 🫶
balmy condor
that's my big pro tip
nah but like idk what the issue is without seeing logs or something
could also just be talent stuff
fallen shore
u maked me look like im a good rogue im doing hella dps on opener and packs and shit
balmy condor
bleed build is a bit behind in single target
fallen shore
but on st idk
balmy condor
yeah assa st isn't great atm
balmy condor
and if that isn't enough for you, you're out of luck
fallen shore
fallen shore
what do i change here to do more st and still with aoe
balmy condor
nothing
rotund oak
why are you playing deathstalker
balmy condor
that is the most single target
fallen shore
that is the most single target
im just bad then
fallen shore
why are you playing deathstalker
whyspyr told me
balmy condor
no, assa single target just isn't giga crank
fallen shore
i like to do the big envenoms
rotund oak
whyspyr told me
dont listen to german ppl they lie
balmy condor
like assa on beta slams keys because it does big aoe
the single target is lacking
single target is lacking in raids too
nothing to be done
hexed frost
the single target is lacking
No raid spots 😔😔
vestal wren
the single target is lacking
i did hear outlaw st is good 🪤
bronze pike
balmy condor
I do find it kinda funny though that everyone played basically full single target in mythic+ for season 3 and 4 because "aoe doesn't matter"
rotund oak
i did hear outlaw st is good 🪤
💀
And then they downtime and their st goes to marianna trench
balmy condor
but now that assassination aoe is huge and the single target sucks
now all of a sudden assassination is giga m+ spec
past forum
i did hear outlaw st is good 🪤
vestal wren
overall damage matters ^^
vestal wren
i mean
i remember assassiantion one tricks arguing that prio damage was the be and end all
but also not on subtlety even tho it did it better
rotund oak
fuu comin' in guns blazin'
balmy condor
yep
vestal wren
my point is not to say they are wrong, just that perspectives are diffrent
hexed frost
i remember assassiantion one tricks arguing that prio damage was the be and end ...
I'm ashamed to be one of them. Then I saw a 6M sudden demise proc and became a full blown bleedmaxxer
balmy condor
all of season 3 people played a raid build in single target for "big prio damage"
instead of taking scent of blood
which is easily a 10% gain for prio damage with no rotational change
junior aurora
bigger number better person and we might be some very esteemed individuals next patch
vestal wren
and what is considered right or wrong seems very subjective.
I think you ideally provide what your push group needs
spice surge
Whispyrs point is that its the same people that say both of these things
With the same groups
balmy condor
like I don't mind if it's just "my overall damage is what I am and bigger details bar better" but at least admit that you're in that mentality ya know
past forum
my point is not to say they are wrong, just that perspectives are diffrent
Are you implying that things are more subjective than the streamer peoples lead me to believe?
vestal wren
Whispyrs point is that its *the same people* that say both of these things
you need a reason to keep playing what you like ^^
balmy condor
you don't have to try and gaslight people that you're some gigabrainer with the secret technology of how to time 100% of your keys
spice surge
The secret trick to timing keys is to try them 20 times and one of the times youll win
bronze pike
m+ people are
junior aurora
i time all my keys whispyr
bronze pike
very stubborn
balmy condor
Are you implying that things are more subjective than the streamer peoples lead ...
don't tell me to play in a way that might be more fun, I want my 0.1% dps
bronze pike
ret got giga aoe buffed
and st nerfed
and suddenly "Ret is more wanted for keys"
sin in same spot now
rotund oak
ret is trash
bronze pike
real
rotund oak
jsut sayin
bronze pike
doesnt help that streamers and notable m+ people here are shilling sin super aoe as m+
double vanish
HOGE
balmy condor
and suddenly "Ret is more wanted for keys"
I mean lets just be real, at the end of the day people see a big details bar and don't give a shit about anything else
rotund oak
its sub or nothing for m+
balmy condor
yeah?
past forum
The restealth misinformation now that ass is being viewed as meta is infuriating and I’m just some random asshole that doesn’t even do anything meaningful for the spec community
balmy condor
The restealth misinformation now that ass is being viewed as meta is infuriating...
now imagine showing the numbers on it for years and getting back "okay but XYZ plays it and he's doing +75's"
vestal wren
don't tell me to play in a way that might be more fun, I want my 0.1% dps
you know what to do:
balmy condor
you know what to do:
past forum
now imagine showing the numbers on it for years and getting back "okay but XYZ p...
Nice numbers nerd but did you even read the talents that say “from stealth”? Like c’mon big dog lock it in
balmy condor
these animals untalenting one of the strongest m+ utility points in the game for 1% extra dps
royal lantern
these animals untalenting one of the strongest m+ utility points in the game for...
while at the same time dropping 5%+ dps by going double vanish
m+ is a mistake
balmy condor
while at the same time dropping 5%+ dps by going double vanish
yeah I mean you gotta take 5 steps back to take 1 step forward
past forum
Gotta break your knees to flop 2 steps forward
balmy condor
we out here playing QWOP
tired gull
"yeah but 2 vanishes is soooooo valuable, you get double the in combat stealths!!!!!!"
balmy condor
tired gull
i think you commented on it with max, but having the talent just give you a 1m cd would be nice
blazing jewel
"yeah but 2 vanishes is soooooo valuable, you get double the in combat stealths!...
balmy condor
i think you commented on it with max, but having the talent just give you a 1m c...
yeh, the talent doing literally anything would be nice 
problem is that 1 min vanish can't exist
because shadowdust
past forum
Subterfuge as a 2 point node than is dead for pve is certainly something
balmy condor
I'm overdosing copium that those 4 talents are placeholders and 11.0.5 will replace them
they just don't make any sense
spiral warren
which dev got roguebullied
tired gull
what about a talent where, while in combat, stealth can be activated on a 1m cooldown
balmy condor
interesting concept
inner swift
Subterfuge as a 2 point node than is dead for pve is certainly something
like the only usefull thing from subterfuge is that instead of ambush double garrote youll do double garrote ambush but even in that scenario dunno what is the point
royal lantern
I'm overdosing copium that those 4 talents are placeholders and 11.0.5 will repl...
does 4 include Shadowhearth?
past forum
Does fudge even let you be flexible when you apply mark? Or is that another talent that doesn’t interact with our hero talents?
royal lantern
balmy condor
honestly if they just deleted nightstalker and then left dance it's probably better than what we have now
balmy condor
Does fudge even let you be flexible when you apply mark? Or is that another tale...
subterfuge lets you ambush later if you'd like, sure
past forum
Like I’m not pogging in my pants over that, but it’s sooooomething
balmy condor
but you wouldn't want to anyway cause if you do like idk, gar er rupture ambush
you'd miss out on 1 stack of the mark
tired gull
i didn't play at all in dragonflight, came back about a week ago and leveling and got some BIG 480 gear, so i haven't experience some of the changes much, but i like where sin is for the most part
balmy condor
so you'd have to gar ambush rupture if anything
which at that point why are we taking subterfuge?
so we can gar amb
instead of amb gar
huge
past forum
If the point was literally free then I would probably press >0 cheap shots over the course of the xpac, maybe
inner swift
huge
i mean 1 thing i can think of is when for some reason you get out of stealth you could ambush after few seconds dunno
balmy condor
yeah in a hypothetical where that happens and you don't have the capstone for some reason and your vanish isn't available
definitely useful
prisma wyvern
6sec stealth is for PvP. No more dance so we Can stun in stealth but longer cd
inner swift
yeah in a hypothetical where that happens and you don't have the capstone for so...
hey im jus sayin XD
balmy condor
6sec stealth is for PvP. No more dance so we Can stun in stealth but longer cd
make it a pvp talent then
bronze pike
I mean lets just be real, at the end of the day people see a big details bar and...
on the nose
sadly
royal lantern
on the nose
look at the chat yesterday
whisp explained problems
and all you saw was people screaming IT DOES DMG IN M+ BETA STOP COMPLAINING WTFFFFFFFF
solar laurel
guys i have Question for Nerub'ar Palace raid Assa will be good for progress?
royal lantern
looking at beta dmg is the biggest brainrot possible anyway lol
past forum
Mr Streamer gave you the meta crown and you DARE to ask for bug fixes and qol changes?? Impudent gnats
tired gull
guys i have Question for Nerub'ar Palace raid Assa will be good for progress?
are you progressing in a top 200 guild?
solar laurel
yeah at least top 300
tired gull
it will probably be fine, unless some kind of tuning passes happen to make it not fine
solar laurel
i was wondering cuz some1 showing me the Outlaw is the best atm for raiding
desert cove
wherever you saw outlaw being the best for raiding needs to be avoided
tired gull
honestly it's probably going to depend, but also remember you'll typically perform better on a spec you enjoy and understand most
wooden radish
desert cove
even if outlaw sims higher (it doesn't), the fight design heavily effects the outcome of your dps
desert cove
honestly it's probably going to depend, but also remember you'll typically perfo...
this though
solar laurel
yeah i totally agreed
balmy condor
big fan of play the spec you're good with regardless of spec
but yeah whoever told you outlaw is the best for raiding has a massive dent in their head
desert cove
like I might still play outlaw for raid if the dps difference isn't massive
I can live with a ~10 to 15% dps loss
I'm not pushing HoF
desert cove
I decided to swap to sub then
did outlaw until that boss
couldn't justify the dps diff, and I didn't like sin at the time
pure moth
I played assa on smolderon
Same. During a trial in a guild and was replaced for being sin after 2 pulls
balmy condor
pure moth
Yeah they said they thought I'd go sub.
past forum
I played assa on smolderon
If dust only affected dps cds i woulda. Having cloak for every intermission combo’d really nicely with me being a softshell crab brain
balmy condor
dodged a bullet with that one
desert cove
if they're the type of guild to kick over something so minor
pure moth
They continued to wipe on it for an hr. No time was lost on my end lol
desert cove
yeah sounds like you definitely dodged a bullet
raids that wipe for an hour after pulling something like that aren't wiping b/c they don't have the damage
in my experience
bronze pike
and all you saw was people screaming IT DOES DMG IN M+ BETA STOP COMPLAINING WTF...
This chat?
past forum
POV you’re Smolderon and you see my goofy dwarf ass cranking you without knowing wtf I’m doing
shy dust
yeah at least top 300
then it DOESNT matter
drifting cloud
then it DOESNT matter
hope to see you play outlaw
shy dust
hope to see you play outlaw
why would i ever do such a thing to my wrists
pure moth
raids that wipe for an hour after pulling something like that aren't wiping b/c ...
It's like every other group. You got like 3 people never soaking orbs. Or dying to walking into fire. S3 was rough. Didn't really do much s4 because of it.
I tried another guild and got tindral. Fryak no go
past forum
Ez you just / and type the macro in
pure moth
People came back when fryak was nerfed. ( the guild had people post out with tummy aches). So since I was new.. I was back to bench
main blaze
The one that gets me is "I dont need that, just call my name" bruh
odd flax
will Shadowmeld trigger Indiscriminate Carnage when out of stealth when the expac launchs? saw it didn't worked on Beta...
balmy condor
no
you have to go into stealth for shadowmeld to do anything of value
shadowmeld itself won't trigger improved garrote, shrouded suffocation, iron wire, or indiscriminate carnage
floral vale
Is it a known bug or intended behavior that if you have Darkest NIght, and then you max combo point a new target that's low health, and that target dies, you now end up with no buff?
shit like that is why it's nice to play with 2x vanish tbh. That just happened to me in a key and then the tank chain pulls into a boss right after
would have had no ds buff for 2 minutes 😦
floral vale
fair
floral vale
yeah i didn't see it in that list
but i don't know if i'm just not reading the list right
subtle tundra
idk considering that its impossible to keep fatebound buff up between packs, ds in keys seems like the only option
broken ibex
^
floral vale
i don't actually know what specifically causes it, but it seems to be if the mob dies from my DN empowered envenom it just poofs away the buff
subtle tundra
choose the lesser evil basically
floral vale
I have a clip of it but idk where I'd upload it or if it'd be helpful lol
just very confusing
maybe I'm doing something wrong
narrow siren
who yall sub to casual addict or kush?
fallen arch
I like Kush
narrow siren
bro i got this prime sub to drop
narrow siren
I like Kush
kush plays assa?
normal mist
has been playing assa yeah
quartz path
Zero is my rogue 
normal mist
He's alright
ashen nimbus
can you link any of the dps cds in a macro or is it best to just click them on sepret buttons ?
royal lantern
the only macro assa really has is the ussual "dmg pot with cd" or "trinket with cd"
granite talon
new to rogue trying to learn but in m+ aoe what do i dump combos points with?
onyx gyro
Any good guides to help get use to rotation feel so lost
Coming from elemental and balance Druid
spice surge
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
royal lantern
for both of you: wowhead guide explains everything
lavish geyser
is assa decent apm? idk I feel like when I watch pikaboo, play assa in pvp its like assa can be played fast. Is this false? 🙂
spice surge
Well pvp is an entirely different thing
lavish geyser
how so? You use a different build? that generally is faster?
hidden herald
It’s pretty fast in PvP I’d say especially to land cc combos you gotta be pretty quick on the old sticks and react fast to situations
spice surge
Because you cant really track it in the same way, sometimes youll have high uptime and sometime you dont
hidden herald
If anything
In PvP
Getting restealths is hard habit to learn for new players. Like sometimes you legit just run away to a pillar and do nothing
lavish geyser
Because you cant really track it in the same way, sometimes youll have high upti...
ah okay kinda like subn with burst windows?
hidden herald
Just for improved garrotes and cheap shots
Yeah every 1 min you have a go with kingsbane and dbl shit
Shiv
hidden herald
In keys its quite fast with new the energy gen I’d say
hidden herald
Raid feels giga slow cause of pooling
royal lantern
nobody here really touches pvp
lavish geyser
<#226359213427916800> is for pvp peeps tbh
I wasnt asking for pvp. But have played a decent bit of it. Mostly sub though, came to pve due to 45 min SS queues.
hidden herald
If you want fast play outlaw 🙂
lavish geyser
Well I do XD. But with loss of acro its gonna be hell playing dungeons
that was kinda why I asked if it was decently fast
static glacier
i wonder if it's a reroll race angle
lavish geyser
just in case law gets too horribler to play
royal lantern
the outlaw acro brainrot hits really hard huh
lavish geyser
it hurts to not have it :CCC
haughty flicker
sin is on the slower end in raid, in keys you have good enough energy in aoe but again on st it slows down
lavish geyser
okay I see
subtle tundra
people be calling this assa slow 😦
lavish geyser
I dont raid much tbh
balmy condor
i don't actually know what specifically causes it, but it seems to be if the mob...
that sounds incredibly niche but I believe it
narrow siren
Hey yo I see Kush opening with ambush instead of garrote while mobs are grouping in m+ why ambush to start?
balmy condor
deathstalker probably
narrow siren
ok ty
haughty flicker
people be calling this assa slow 😦
its been slower in the past yeah, but still compared to modern wow specs it is on the slower end
narrow siren
yeah it's the beta I'm watching
lavish geyser
sin is on the slower end in raid, in keys you have good enough energy in aoe but...
Well I hope that we get some sort of acro back, but if its just too miserable ill just hop onto assa
floral vale
that sounds incredibly niche but I believe it
feels like it happens to me all the time though
i have two clips from one key!! lmao
floral vale
yeah i guess don't do that 😦
balmy condor
idk how you're so precisely killing the mobs with that exact envenom that has darkest night
balmy condor
like that's gotta be some sort of hidden power
but yeah that bug probably can't be fixed
the only way they could change it would be to apply the mark first, but if they apply the mark first then the envenom lands after and consumes a stack of the newly applied mark
that doesn't work
carmine lily
Is there anything out there for talent builds while leveling in TWW? or is it just M+ builds to 80?
floral vale
idk how you're so precisely killing the mobs with that exact envenom that has da...
i'm just trying to get that last darkest night off for mega dam
balmy condor
Is there anything out there for talent builds while leveling in TWW? or is it ju...
just play whatever yeah
balmy condor
i'm just trying to get that last darkest night off for mega dam
yeah well stop it 
floral vale
yeah well stop it <:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
😦 fine
maybe then i can play er
balmy condor
the fuck have you been playing instead of er
floral vale
umm
balmy condor
this nightmare will never end
floral vale
look it's a skill issue
i need the wheel chair extra vanish
but if i can keep the damn debuff off now that i figured out what i'm doing wrong maybe i have evolved
to the next level
what if they made subterfuge actually good 
subtle tundra
people would play double vanish cause QoL or smth but didnt talent acro and complained about the dps loss for it
junior aurora
Any of you guys notice the influx of assassination rogues running prepatch keys? is it cuz we got buffed? Also a bunch of affliction warlocks too it's so random lol
Also did we even get buffed yet I thought that was whenever the xpac drops. my damage does seem pretty spicy though
subtle tundra
not random, assa is currently doing very high aoe and people talk a lot about it so sheep will follow eachother
junior aurora
I c i c. Maybe a nerf by the time mythic rolls out in new xpac? Idk why they'd want the class they put the least work into hero talents with to be doing the best dps lol
I don't think there's an argument to be made that our hero trees are all pretty uninspired, and the buffs we have gotten seem to be pretty lazy just paving over the actual issues
slate crown
this nightmare will never end
the expac hasn't even started yet
subtle tundra
i think everyone that has played assa before is expecting nerfs
thats how it is normally when assa is doing well
junior aurora
It honestly seems like the logical conclusion based on the fact that they probably want the classes whose hero talents pack the most pop and visual flare to be the most prominent during tww s1. just a guess though idk we'll see
craggy haven
hey yall do you doule stack shiv in kingsbane or wait for timer
spice surge
I doubt they take the visual flair into account when balancing
junior aurora
hey yall do you doule stack shiv in kingsbane or wait for timer
Double stack during kb I believe is still the right thing to do
past forum
the expac hasn't even started yet
subtle tundra
Double stack during kb I believe is still the right thing to do
depends what he means, cause by the way he phrased it he might mean pressing shiv twice in a row
subtle tundra
they dont stack
junior aurora
DM -> shiv -> kb -> 7sec left on kb shiv again -> thistle tea at three seconds for mastery buff but maybe that's not as important anymore because of kb cap nerf....some people say vanish during last three seconds but yeah....since stuff is changing maybe it'll change? but i'm still following shiv kb at 7 seconds shiv again then thistle tea and dps is good
subtle tundra
what?
junior aurora
😦
subtle tundra
have i missed a lesson
balmy condor
tea isn't attached to kingsbane anymore
haughty flicker
balmy condor
neither is vanish
there is no "cast X at __ remaining on kingsbane"
that's not a thing
subtle tundra
i swear i read tea at the end of kb in dm only
junior aurora
When do you use thistle tea then?
balmy condor
during shiv if you're under 200 energy
junior aurora
Okay so you only use thistle tea during shiv but only use shiv during kb so therefore you're still thistle teaing only during dm/kb but no longer tied to the time in the window for the mastery buff?
balmy condor
correct
there's no hard timing for it
it's just energy + mastery during shiv
regardless of when that happens
junior aurora
gotcha 🫡 ty
balmy condor
usually that means during DM you only tea once, sometimes not at all if you're in lust
tall atlas
In aoe should I hit 2x rupture from the thing that gives me back cps or use the refunded cps on something else
past forum
There are times where you shiv for pure AP value, right? Did I read that somewhere?
balmy condor
and during non-dm kingsbanes there's times where you can even double tea
but it has nothing to do with any kingsbane values
balmy condor
In aoe should I hit 2x rupture from the thing that gives me back cps or use the ...
whatever you need to use, can be rupture or envenom or crimson tempest
up to you king
subtle tundra
usually that means during DM you only tea once, sometimes not at all if you're i...
but first tea is in dm kb even with lust to put it in cd?
balmy condor
it's combo points, finisher rules apply like normal
tall atlas
whatever you need to use, can be rupture or envenom or crimson tempest
That’s what I was thinking ty BBy
balmy condor
but first tea is in dm kb even with lust to put it in cd?
yes
tall atlas
That talent is so tasty
balmy condor
There are times where you shiv for pure AP value, right? Did I read that somewhe...
with arterial precision only
tall atlas
I was doing keys tonight n ugh it was nice
balmy condor
if you have arterial precision and you're in AoE, you tea with shiv regardless of energy
tall atlas
I just hope they let us be good for the xpac man. I wasn’t gonna play the way rogue was 2 weeks ago but it seems to be okay now
All I wanna do it pump
tall jay
Any one else getting the itch
tall atlas
I have psoriasis so always
floral vale
Why is ER not listed in the opener for the recommended M+ build in AOE packs? Do you ignore it on more than like 3 mobs because FOK generates enough CP anyway?
tall atlas
Cos it’s not in the talent tree
balmy condor
nah, it's cause I forgor
floral vale
huh it's definitely in the tree
balmy condor
the images I'm adding into the guides will have it
tall atlas
For prepatch tho?
floral vale
ah ok ok thx whispyr
balmy condor
it just replaces a mut/fok
nova aspen
its in the wowhead opener
tall atlas
the images I'm adding into the guides will have it
Whis remember in vault you did the cute wee cartoon images of the openers
balmy condor
yes
tall atlas
Pleasssseeeeee
nova aspen
floral vale
guide images waiting room
tall atlas
Aw shit
That’s ma boi
Also I didn’t know you were a mechanic. Do you specialise in a brand of cars?
subtle tundra
better specialization that assassination
tall atlas
Fuck u eleem u creeper weirdo
balmy condor
real
past forum
The parts about pooling look significantly more complicated than s3/4 pooling, is that actually the case or will it likely make more sense once I’m actually pressing the buttons?
spice surge
balmy condor
based
spice surge
@mods im getting cyberbullied
floral vale
i'm going to try er in a key now wish me luck, no vanish crutch for me
floral vale
If I can keep my cool
cerulean walrus
“Onto Outlaw…..” states a disheveled Whispyr.
white lance
did max ever explain what spooked him
royal lantern
@mods im getting cyberbullied
turn your PC off
cerulean walrus
@mods im getting cyberbullied
Have you thought about contacting the cyber police?
shadow badger
@balmy condor Max intentionally gave you no time to talk about rogue SMH. Colluding with blizz to keep our class bad.
normal mist
Whispyr was probably the guy that spoke the most xD
balmy condor
I had to do 3 specs!
normal mist
WHILE BEING AT WORK
shadow badger
I found that really funny
maiden sierra
meanwhile his twitch chat was talking mad shit the entire time lmao
shadow badger
Yeah everyone hates rogues for some reason. But I don’t think any of them have actually seen one in game.
maiden sierra
balmy condor
meanwhile his twitch chat was talking mad shit the entire time lmao
they don't like me much for some reason
I see the hate comments and I'm like wow this dude is angry as hell
but I've never seen the name in my life
shadow badger
7 minutes a spec
You made good use of the time given to you. If guy was on it woulda been an hour complaining about shadow dust. An hour complaining about outlaw. Then sin as a side note. 
balmy condor
and I'm like
maiden sierra
they don't like me much for some reason
dont worry, nobody likes me either, it comes naturally with being a rogue main
balmy condor
subtle tundra
i think they dont like rogue
balmy condor
like who are these people
shadow badger
Find it weird chat hates rogue more than mage and aug
brave stump
Man you are triple their age of course there is some disconnect
subtle tundra
but if jpc came on he could say ANYTHING and hed be liked, he could speak about monk or something and theyd like it
shadow badger
They were almost silent during those sections
analog hornet
Why you dont do 2 Garottes at the beginning? Thats 6 CP and a larger better garrote 🤔
normal mist
Man you are triple their age of course there is some disconnect
idk if thats good or bad
balmy condor
Why you dont do 2 Garottes at the beginning? Thats 6 CP and a larger better gar...
less damage
normal mist
having people below 10yo on twitch
subtle tundra
whispyr is 23 or smth
balmy condor
25*
haughty flicker
basically dead
subtle tundra
close enough pookie
balmy condor
one foot in the grave
stoic needle
Why would the chat full of mage players hate on mage 
shadow badger
Whisper prob one of the youngest on that stream actually
I tend to see alot of rogue players are younger actually
brave stump
And he shotguns energy drinks
shadow badger
A lot of new heads
brave stump
Ok thats weird then
normal mist
most don't last
unless people (like me) really like the "rogue" theme around the class fantasy, why would you play a class thats somewhat difficult instead of picking up ret and pressing everything that shines and pops up and doing more dmg?
balmy condor
idk, I just show up and do the best I can to spread the knowledge and entertain and that's all I can do
tired gull
has rogue historically been one of the lowest represented classes? other than maybe when lego daggers were a thing?
balmy condor
my composition professor always had a saying before his students put on a concert
normal mist
yes
shadow badger
idk, I just show up and do the best I can to spread the knowledge and entertain ...
You gotta beat max on the “I love you” next time. Most important part of the stream.
normal mist
Rogue has been one of the least played classes in the game
balmy condor
that the worst thing an audience member could have isn't hate, it's indifference
tired gull
You gotta beat max on the “I love you” next time. Most important part of the str...
i echo this sentiment, can't let him keep getting away with it
balmy condor
if the audience hated the performance, they at least took the time to internalize it and form an opinion
so at least they were paying attention
tired gull
whispyr i feel like you did a really good job speedrunning all 3 specs, though I don't have a lot of context from dragonflight, just from reading the discords and stuff, you did great
shadow badger
As a theater student , This ^
balmy condor
whispyr i feel like you did a really good job speedrunning all 3 specs, though I...
thank you
I had near 0 time to prepare
tired gull
good thing you have a lot of knowledge
subtle tundra
whispyr was better than what rogue had before!
shadow badger
I had near 0 time to prepare
When you said you were at work I was wondering if you were on your phone with nothing in front of you just ripping thoughts from your head and speed running it.
balmy condor
I had to do it for the boys
brave stump
tacit charm
yup LOL
tired gull
tbh acro would be nice in general, for all specs (i only ever remember it for outlaw)
normal mist
Whispyr now loved by yellow boys
balmy condor
I read like the cliffnotes zac gave me and then when max called I just went off the dome for 20 minutes and he beat me to the love you bye and I was pissed and my guild shit on me
subtle tundra
well if outlaw went more gunslinger like whisper said hed like, then the lack of acro would be a bit better
haughty flicker
deserved
tired gull
no offense but you definitely dropped the ball on that one
haughty flicker
L
tacit charm
shoulda been faster smh
floral vale
good luck doing better dps
update: this was indeed true
tired gull
queue it up faster i guess
balmy condor
he won't see it coming
subtle tundra
update: this was indeed true
amazing, talents that give dps means doing more dps
floral vale
mind blowing
balmy condor
next time I'm gonna put the thing on the tier list and then insta fire a "okay love you bye"
mark my words
he won't even have time to thank me
normal mist
"Max: So today we have Whispyr with us, hi Whispyr, how is rogue looking now in TWW?
Whispyr: Love you bye!"
tired gull
gottem
subtle tundra
mind blowing
if only a certain popular streamer wouldnt push an agenda
balmy condor
update: this was indeed true
okay
but stealth?
??????
important?
why do more damage if less stealth
no make sense
floral vale
ok new bug: when the phase transition in grim batol happens the ds bug disappears
balmy condor
there's 4 talents on the spec tree that require stealth
without a trace is a 4 point investment
coincidence?
balmy condor
ok new bug: when the phase transition in grim batol happens the ds bug disappear...
expac in 4 days, deathstalker seems fine
tired gull
i honestly have 0 idea how hero talents work
shadow badger
expac in 4 days, deathstalker seems fine
i was fine with deathstalker until you brought up that the first boss of mist will delete it and it made me mald again
balmy condor
i honestly have 0 idea how hero talents work
that's the neat part, they dont
tired gull
😄
for coin flip, as an example, does it alter your gameplay at all? or does it just exist, and you might get 7 in a row and a -perma- stat buff?
royal lantern
for coin flip, as an example, does it alter your gameplay at all? or does it jus...
yes
shadow badger
it be existing
royal lantern
🙂
balmy condor
i was fine with deathstalker until you brought up that the first boss of mist wi...
I'm gonna do a secret lil teaser don't tell anyone, but it's worse than that
tired gull
fantastic gameplay
royal lantern
heroic fantasy bro
subtle tundra
ngl, i watched a wow promotional video and i got jealous of what the other classes got for hero talents
royal lantern
you just dont get it
balmy condor
what if blizzard just fixed their shit
floral vale
impossible
subtle tundra
no no you play fatebound in the mists where ds sucks
nvm you literally cant keep in buff in the maze
floral vale
yeah no
balmy condor
last boss siege I managed to lose my capstone as well
floral vale
tbh i think ds in keys is really fun
tired gull
what's the potential for coins in a super long, high key, where you never left combat for more than 10 seconds (not necessarily reasonable, but what's the ceiling)
balmy condor
wdym
tired gull
does multiple 7 in a row stack more statS?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
the stats are one time
if you manage to flip 7 in a row again at any point while you have the stats up
it does some damage instead
tired gull
ahhh gotcha
balmy condor
from my testing that extra damage happens 2-3 times a key
tired gull
makes sense to not be completely broken in certain situations
balmy condor
maybe if you chain like a god you can get it 6-7 times idk
like if you're just dragging the entire dungeon
tired gull
yeah
balmy condor
I can see it proccing 6+ times
but I was just doing kinda lower learner keys
and it was 0.2% of my overall damage
and didn't matter for shit
it's mostly a raid thing I think
but even then it's not really anything
white lance
i wonder how the dev talk went when they decided on the coin as a **hero **talent for rogue
royal lantern
hey whisp, can i be a annoying PoS before going to bed :?
balmy condor
you're already here
normal mist
LOL
royal lantern
floral vale
😦
tired gull
i need a good plater profile
spice surge
i need a good plater profile
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
royal lantern
write my guides
is writing "its poopohead" enough?
balmy condor
the next week is gonna be hell
tired gull
OH i didn't realize plater was in the wa command 
balmy condor
need to make sure youtube co-streaming works, then expac launch, youtube guides and shit for launch, update wa, update plater
then blizzard probably pushes some hotfixes
spice surge
OH i didn't realize plater was in the wa command <:facepalm:767741590579576862>
No worries, thats why the commands are there so we can easily help people
balmy condor
that wreck half the shit I spent the last 3 weeks doing
but then also ignore the big bugs like ER
slate crown
need to make sure youtube co-streaming works, then expac launch, youtube guides ...
are you going to start dual streaming to yt?
balmy condor
yeh
slate crown
nice
balmy condor
might as well
royal lantern
i wonder how the dev talk went when they decided on the coin as a **hero **talen...
i SOMEWHAT get the idea behind it
like, we know that weird cliche of "guy leaning against the wall, doing some smart talk and flipping a coin while explaining stuff" thing, which is probs the "idea" behind it
and, well, lets be honest, they didnt really think much about quiet a few classes about the "hero talents" and just picked the First idea somebody had and called it a day
slate crown
yes, I've been saying this for years
it's way way better
Chat functionality is worse but I don't care about that
tired gull
i like that you can go back and rewatch a portion instantly in the same viewer
only thing i use stream chats for is to ask streamers questions
balmy condor
my favorite is you can just hit the live button and it'll instantly skip forward to the current up to date
slate crown
My primary followship of media is youtube and youtube streams, so when someone is only twitch it's me going out of my way to watch them
balmy condor
on twitch you pause for like 5 seconds
and it's DOOMED
gotta reload the whole page
slate crown
well the thing is
balmy condor
and then suffer through adds again
slate crown
Even if there was a lagtime or delay with yt going to live
who cares
it's a vod
just go backwards
white lance
i SOMEWHAT get the idea behind it
like, we know that weird cliche of "guy leani...
i guess, thats a pretty low bar theme though
balmy condor
yeah but like for me, I'm in the marcelian stream pretty frequently answering questions and stuff they have
but if I step away
and I'm like 25 seconds behind
it's awful
spice surge
honestly think the youtube stream UX as a viewer is just better
Once you are on the stream ye, but finding new streams to watch is hard
balmy condor
so I have to keep reloading the twitch page over and over and over
slate crown
just swap to double speed on the live feed, you'll catch up in 25seconds
and not miss a beat
balmy condor
that's not a thing on twitch is it
tired gull
i watch youtube nearly exclusively on at least 1.5x
slate crown
> while in the player increases speed as a keybind tip
balmy condor
I've never seen that
royal lantern
there are a couple thematic bangers, but so many are really weird at best, or just stupid asspulls at worst
archon priest doing big "YOU ASCEND INTO A HIGHER FORM" talk, and then its "halo is stronger" lol
balmy condor
yeah youtube is fine
slate crown
but then you're not in the livestream
balmy condor
catching up to twitch livestream
slate crown
cause twitch player is doodoo
balmy condor
is cringe
balmy condor
I mean suffer is a strong word
slate crown
I figured it'd just count as normal time for watchtime
tired gull
wait does increasing watch speed actually affect watch metrics?
balmy condor
yes
slate crown
that's wild
balmy condor
not really though
slate crown
I mean I'm giving you premium viewership buckaroos so w/e
balmy condor
youtube is in the business of keeping you on their platform
for as long as possible
tired gull
that's fair
balmy condor
if you watch a 20 minute video in 10 minutes
tired gull
just means i can watch more videos
balmy condor
that's 10 minutes for youtube
they don't care that you just sped up a 20 min video
they care that you spent 10 minutes on their platform
floral vale
man grim batol sucks
balmy condor
yeh when you go to bed, put my video up on loop at 0.25x speed
to hyperinflate the videos watch time
floral vale
good thing we'll have to target farm trinkets from the worst two dungeons
balmy condor
and then the algorithm will think the video is doing big numbers
but yeah
can watch this
it explains how it works
pure moth
I tried keeping a video on loop ages ago. Eventually the views stopped counting.
balmy condor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29_0_wNR7yY
it's especially crazy cause he says the average watch time is 6 min
which is 600% retention
my retention usually hovers around 35-45%
if I put out a 10 min video, average viewer is gone in 4 min typically
and surprisingly, that metric actually keeps up
28 min video gets around 9 min
lots of graphs and stuff it's honestly fascinating
mythic+ videos also get on average higher retention than any other video I release
random fossil
Whispyr I watch your videos 10 times to make up for those mfers that leave after 4 mins I love u bwo
No homo
balmy condor
regardless of what exactly I'm talking about, if I have chapters in the video, what the title says, if I have a thumbnail or not
thumbnail usually raises the impression click through rate and gets more people to watch
but the statistics per viewer hardly waver
normal mist
My fav type of video is when the content creator keeps including whatever hes talking about in the screen, like: (and no im not being sponsored) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-j2cDvebY
its not about being a top10
its how he presents info
balmy condor
I edited some of the earlier videos
and then I released some that weren't edited as much and just had me yapping
and people seemed to much prefer that
normal mist
The yapping ones?
balmy condor
now, I'm also an awful video editor don't get me wrong
but yapping for 20 minutes vs yapping for 20 minutes and then editing for 3 hours
normal mist
yeah true
balmy condor
seems like a good deal to me
also no one has noticed that I'm basically copying ludwigs mogul mail setup where he just opens 25 tabs and then talks through them
sshhhhshhhshshshshhh
normal mist
Lool. Im honestly quite experienced in the game and able to quick recognise abilities and talents when you talk about them, so i barely need to keep attention to the video itself, but if i have no idea what you're talking about, visual help is usually a +1 to keep me invested
balmy condor
yeah I like having a talent calc or a sim open to hover over stuff
idk
maybe I just get better at video editing
but who's got the time for that
normal mist
Not you certainly xD
knotty radish
I touched grass today.
shy heron
My condolences
tall jay
I usually have to watch a video 2-3 times to actually understand things and then watch it again most to make sure I can ask Whispyr dumb questions that he already covers and I missed it cause I didn’t completely understand it which makes me cringe
balmy condor
That’s what I’m here for
tall jay
🙂
upbeat mirage
Is there a video up or are we just discussi g the algorithm?
Found it.
Nope. Two weeks old. I was fooled.
balmy condor
Nope. Two weeks old. I was fooled.
upbeat mirage
Hopes up. Immediate disappointment.
cold parcel
so are assassination rogues actually S tier or are people just making shit up
balmy condor
so are assassination rogues actually S tier or are people just making shit up
they're hyping it up cause the AoE is really good right now
just brainlets pogging about numbers
spice surge
Turns out if you buff a spec by 15%, the numbers get quite good
cold parcel
they're hyping it up cause the AoE is really good right now
LOL so then it is S tier or it isn't?
spice surge
And then they could turn around and do the opposite next week
Because tuning right now is a meme
spice surge
LOL so then it is S tier or it isn't?
Tiers are dumb, especially during beta
balmy condor
I don't fucking know dude lmao
wake up next week spec -3% and everyone will go back to saying it's unplayable
spice surge
Not even, they could just buff outlaw a bit and people would be frothing at the mouth and saying "assa dead, outlaw new king"
blazing jewel
-3% its so over
spice surge
Who knows what will happen
balmy condor
-3% its so over
literally what happened in amirdrassil btw
cold parcel
hahah damn
balmy condor
blazing jewel
lmao I forgot about that
balmy condor
THE SECOND BUFF WAS SO UNNECESSARY WHY DID BLIZZARD KILL THE SPEC!!!!!!!!!!!!
blazing jewel
people thinking they can play both specs at 100% is the real joke 
ember mural
S tier until heroic week
blazing jewel
subtle tundra
just maybe not have us be a pi spec !
white lance
shy pecan
blazing jewel
the slight damage nerf is exactly why sub started to see more play yep real and true
blazing jewel
shy pecan
Go back to finding based Luna, kthx
spice surge
Or when they increased exsangs CD from 45 seconds to 180 seconds
dark token
blazing jewel
Or when they increased exsangs CD from 45 seconds to 180 seconds <:kekdog:907207...
just for it to be bugged the whole time the tier after
spice surge
Catching strays fr
balmy condor
AI is a mistake
blazing jewel
white lance
AI is a mistake
almost good!
white lance
its kinda fun to mess around with
violet berry
Y’all think assa getting nerfed
balmy condor
in a perfect world the aoe probably getting tuned down and the single target tuned up
but who knows
ask your crystal ball
subtle tundra
youre the crystal ball dummy
balmy condor
shit
blazing jewel
ponder your orb lil bro
bronze pike
mars attack is on
those aliens are so freaky, i can see why i had nightmares of em as a kid
odd lintel
I can’t figure out sub
nova kelp
I can’t figure out sub
Some are just natural doms. Find yourself the right goth girl. It helps.
But also. You're not alone. It's not very intuitive until it clicks
silk bane
