#assassination

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floral granite
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yeah, haven't played in a while

balmy condor
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ay dios mio

hearty reef
restive falcon
digital sigil
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Grey parse into 9 month hiatus is a vibe

floral granite
balmy condor
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you don't have any m+ logs

floral granite
balmy condor
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nope, they're all leaderboard

balmy condor
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those are all leaderboard

restive falcon
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alright my warband consists of rogue (all specs) feral/guardian and fire mage (maybe arcane/frost) what is my 4th warband character for TWW chat

floral granite
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what does that mean

balmy condor
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it means you didn't log the key

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it's just pulling info from the m+ leaderboard

balmy condor
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there's no data here

severe sparrow
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am i tripping or did there used to be a channel for the uh podcast, and people would ask you questions as ideas to discuss in the podcast but it was mostly people asking which spec was the best all the time?

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im not crazy right?

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it's gone?

balmy condor
restive falcon
# ripe carbon hunter

no shot, i am torn between dk/warrior/lock but x2 caster in my warband is cringe af since i already hate casters

balmy condor
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I still see it

floral granite
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oh I see, I'm new to this logging stuff so I haven't actually logged anything myself. Thought there would be data as it was showing that best% stuff

balmy condor
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has nothing to do with your performance

ripe carbon
severe sparrow
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kekw fuck i was just thinking "oh i wonder if there's gonna be a new one around right after tww comes out or something huh"

restive falcon
floral granite
ripe carbon
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i mean as in playing them, not how they perform

restive falcon
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i was tihnking of surv but the hero talents look lame af

shy dust
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Hunter is mind numbingly boring to play outside of survival

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Don’t do it

severe sparrow
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rip

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i liked listening to the banter

restive falcon
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god i am so washed looking at my logs

balmy condor
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me too

floral granite
balmy condor
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I opened up my season 4 logs bro

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doomed

restive falcon
balmy condor
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who is letting this guy write guides man

digital sigil
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Season 4 was for fun anyway

restive falcon
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i peaked in aberrus and went "imma chill in s3"

digital sigil
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All good

restive falcon
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i got my rank1 on echo of nelth and said "yea im good for season3"

balmy condor
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I was afraid that I might have TOO much fun

digital sigil
restive falcon
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0 on smolderon

balmy condor
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I died on pull to pet my cat

restive falcon
digital sigil
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Respectable

silk bane
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there were 1800 fyrak sin kills??

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no shot dude

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what

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thats insane

balmy condor
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heroic

silk bane
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oh

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yeah okay nvm

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I am blind and cooked af rn

restive falcon
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ik its prepatch but i wouldve had my 3 99s be prob 100s if my priest wasnt cooked last raid

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i was getting pi 10sec after i called it with dm with 5sec left

silk bane
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skrill issue

digital sigil
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I'm about to get a 0 on the final boss of next tier

balmy condor
haughty flicker
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im about to not have logs in general next tier

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unlucky

silk bane
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dude same, Season 1 final boss thic on god fr fr

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imma die on pull

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then is goonin time

restive falcon
balmy condor
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real

silk bane
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alright i gotta go get some food or something, im too cooked

balmy condor
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I'm gonna get the dust off in DELVES

digital sigil
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LOL

balmy condor
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ENDGAME PILLAR CONTENT

restive falcon
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i really wanted to go feral when i saw rogue hero talents but ive spent last 4 years dedicating myself to rogue

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i dont wanna go back to feral

silk bane
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WHISPYR = MOLE PERSON

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CONFIRMED

silk bane
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bro just cant wait to get his lil feet claws into the warm dirt

raven night
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this one?

silk bane
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yea

haughty flicker
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gat

iron valve
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thiccc

silk bane
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gyyaaaat

raven night
digital sigil
balmy condor
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I hate you all

haughty flicker
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what does she look like in crab mode though

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i must know

restive falcon
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big ass grabbers ifykyk

raven night
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good thinking

restive falcon
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😏

silk bane
haughty flicker
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no

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but i want to

balmy condor
raven night
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we shall see monkahmm

silk bane
digital sigil
silk bane
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there u go lil buddy

haughty flicker
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i need to find a guild just so i can raid up to her

restive falcon
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me seeing Queen Anuserak from behind

haughty flicker
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and see her in crab mode myself

balmy condor
balmy condor
digital sigil
silk bane
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real

restive falcon
balmy condor
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queen anus wreck

silk bane
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nah she turns around with that, im switching sides

restive falcon
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im cooked from max's stream

silk bane
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im fighting for the spider people now

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im wiping the raid

restive falcon
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waited 8 hours for whispyr to NOT put us in BFD

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im cooked

balmy condor
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gomen

restive falcon
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moles rise up

hearty reef
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Ayo why is that vaguely arousing?

balmy condor
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need that twitch chatter that said I suck the energy out of the stream to give me some pointers

digital sigil
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Mole is the only endgame that matters

restive falcon
haughty flicker
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twitch chatters are bad people

balmy condor
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people is a generous term

silk bane
haughty flicker
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i only recognize half of those things

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is that good or bad

hearty reef
digital sigil
haughty flicker
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what did ohio do

silk bane
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real af

hearty reef
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What the sigma

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You yappin about

silk bane
balmy condor
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I'm fully convinced that big streamers have extra bot accounts from twitch chatting alongside the regular chatters so that the chat scrolls faster, and the bots just copy paste messages already sent or chatgpt summary-style post some 0 importance nonsense

digital sigil
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she so fanum tax

restive falcon
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POV Whispyr doesnt put u in BFD

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why cant they remove echoing Sadge

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i dont mind playing it but it can def go

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bring back old exsang and remove echoing

iron valve
digital sigil
restive falcon
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take out talent point in ER, run CB and CB into Posion Knife

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wait no run TTB and omega shiv dam

digital sigil
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I'll run double vanish out of spite just so I don't have to see ER on my bar

balmy condor
# silk bane its your language. u shoulda been more in touch with the audience. hit them with...

so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

haughty flicker
silk bane
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HOLY FUUUUCK id listen to this on repeat

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at the gym

balmy condor
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sending you a voice memo right now

silk bane
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pls

digital sigil
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Buying vbucks as we speak

silk bane
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L expansion chat

restive falcon
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do your next youtube intro as that @balmy condor

silk bane
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clip that

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chat are we cooked

restive falcon
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def get the clicks 4sho

digital sigil
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Midnight is a W expansion trust

restive falcon
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as long as we subdue Queen Ansurek i will be happy

balmy condor
iron valve
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I asked chatgpt to make a tierlist

balmy condor
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SKIBIDI BOPPING IN THE SHADOWS

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bars

silk bane
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sub s tier confirmed

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we are the rizzlers

indigo mulch
haughty flicker
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i dont like this timeline

restive falcon
digital sigil
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About to run shadowdust just to lower the cd between gooning sessions

indigo mulch
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I mean if chatgpt say so, it has to be true

restive falcon
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internet dont lie

indigo mulch
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Its never been wrong before.

balmy condor
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anyone feel like they're getting dumber

indigo mulch
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LLMs?

balmy condor
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sorry, does anyone feel like their* getting more stupider

silk bane
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nope this is rock bottom

indigo mulch
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Nah, the assassination channel only contains facts and useful information.

silk bane
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doesnt get worse

digital sigil
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That's a side effect of playing rogue

haughty flicker
silk bane
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well the only way u can go lower than rock bottom is...

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if youyre a mole person

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so.. opulaw = mole people confirmed?

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chat clip that pls

floral granite
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Whispyr could I see your logs? Would be nice

digital sigil
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The outlaw channel is the shadowy place in that one scene from The Lion King

runic hinge
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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

silk bane
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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

digital sigil
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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

desert cove
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I just got back

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chat is this real?

digital sigil
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L expansion, W pasta

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Courtesy of Whispyr

bronze pike
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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

inland wind
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are you not supposed to use a second tea at the end of kingsbane now?

shy pecan
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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

royal lantern
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oh and

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so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

silk bane
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hmm, now that you mention it ....

so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

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@blazing jewel

blazing jewel
unborn wharf
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yo just double checking if you're playing 1 shiv when do you send it in relation to other cooldownss? When kingsbane is 8 seconds away from final ticking?

balmy condor
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you cast it on that second shiv in the image

unborn wharf
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ok gotcha. and that second shiv in the image roughly translates to final 6-8 seconds of kingsbane? I dont mean to be obtuse or anything I'm just trying to learn pressing the 1 shiv there without just simply maintaining the shiv buff from the first shiv

balmy condor
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yes

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final 8

balmy condor
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secret guide leak

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(they're the infographics I made for 11.0 guides)

floral vale
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😮

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fiending over here for the guide

gilded oasis
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bleed for your leak @balmy condor

balmy condor
brittle quiver
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trying to understand the pooling a little more for fatebound, says that want to stay around 70% energy so outside of cds are we just slow playing and just trying to keep up envenom and maintain dots

balmy condor
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it's either or

brittle quiver
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but it semi contradicts the sanguine statements of wanting to be around 40%

balmy condor
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you don't try to stay around 70% energy

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it's either keep up envenom, and if you can't, then you go back up to 70%

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and start again

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it's like a yes/no check right, so the first check is
"is envenom about to expire", if yes you hit it, if no you try the second one
"are you above 70%", if yes you hit it, if no you wait

brittle quiver
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right

balmy condor
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and that then gets augmented depending on hero talent

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fatebound cares a little less for the envenoms

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so it gets a bit more sanguine value, goes to 70

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deathstalker really wants more envenoms, so it stays under

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if it's playing vicious it goes ESPECIALLY under

brittle quiver
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okay, yeah, taking my brain a little bit to comprehend after playing hunter and shadow priest for past 6 months

balmy condor
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it's pretty min max altogether

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when in doubt, stay under 50 and slam envenoms

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and you're good to go

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I just have to yap like crazy because people will read sim logic and get confused and ask what the optimal play is and all that

indigo mulch
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So i don't have to think? I just press envenom whenever i can? 😮

rotund oak
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havent laughed this much in a while

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bless you

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who wrote this masterpiece

balmy condor
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I'm afraid to say it was me

rotund oak
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u are a legend

indigo mulch
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Descending into madness more like.

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😄

balmy condor
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and I did make good on my word with the armin voice memo

rotund oak
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this needs to go in public

hollow river
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gyaat brain

rotund oak
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we need more hawk tuah stuff

brittle quiver
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whispyr if im fucking around on beta, what trinkets should i be practicing with?

balmy condor
hollow river
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i'm gonna be goin all outlaw sinster strike on my ops in tww

balmy condor
brittle quiver
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idc

balmy condor
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okay well you're in luck cause they're both cringe

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for your on use you're wanting transmitter, which is basically if satan designed a trinket

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the alternative that's better depending on build is skardyn's, that's not on a vendor so go farm grim batol PES_Dab

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and then for passive you can play like 35 different trinkets and they all suck

brittle quiver
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is the transmitter just cringe because you just have to move to get whatever the buff is?

spice spire
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This season about to be goated fr

raven egret
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I mean

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this season is about to be very experimental

spice spire
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I do miss college

slate crown
spice spire
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Why sad LE

balmy condor
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  1. play tag with an orb
  2. run to a spot somewhere
  3. jump 3 times
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when you finish the mini game you get the buff

slate crown
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I miss college too

brittle quiver
balmy condor
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it's much worse

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the orb runs away from you

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and the run to spot is like

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in buttfuck nowhere land

slate crown
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Branch's challenge was overstated because the orbs did chase you, they wanted you

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This sounds a million times worse

brittle quiver
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yeah, the run too spot you have like be there for a gcd before the buff applies, thats going to suck

balmy condor
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It sims as bis in like 75% of profiles/situations but I'm not putting it higher than like B tier on my trinket list

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it's actually not playable

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like if people refused to play branch en masse during season 3

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this is like 15x worse

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and that's coming from mr. branch himself

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I am branch enjoyer

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I fought for that trinket

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transmitter is undefendable

spice spire
balmy condor
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it's like OJ saying if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit, and then he puts on the glove and it fits perfectly

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that's the level of undefendable we're talkin bout

slate crown
spice spire
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And the mf was acquitted

balmy condor
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shit

spice spire
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Even if it was a dead one

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(I don’t know if it was Robert, that was before my time)

balmy condor
spice spire
balmy condor
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I know my lore

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except idk who the fuck robert is

spice spire
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Their father who died in 2003, was one of oj’s defense attornies

balmy condor
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oh

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small world

spice spire
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Anyway

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I’m distracting you

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Good luck king

balmy condor
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calling you slim shady the way you diss-trackin me
no bars to speak of but like arbys you gots the meat

slate crown
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Are you going to mention OJ in your trinket blurb?

spice spire
balmy condor
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yeah, explanation spoiler for treacherous transmitter:
"this is literally OJ simpson"

marble hemlock
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Can you two just kiss?

spice spire
marble hemlock
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Both aggressively typing at me

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Hnnnngh

hollow river
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am i doing assassination rogue correctly guys?

balmy condor
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no, going to need another 4 seasons and a misunderstanding to create tension in a love triangle

spice spire
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Yes

marble hemlock
spice spire
marble hemlock
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That's usually how it goes I think

spice spire
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Sucks

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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Media taught me having family die gets people horny

spice spire
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Wasn’t even the next day

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It was that night

marble hemlock
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This man quit for like 2 months

spice spire
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Because a friend wanted to hang out

balmy condor
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are you the friend

marble hemlock
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Couldn't you have hung out in another game?

spice spire
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Nah some Canadian lass.
Known her for like? 8 years?

marble hemlock
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One that you didn't quit?

balmy condor
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couldn't you have hung out by doing something fun

spice spire
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Our mutual games are like this and smite.
And I quit smite WideGeorgeHappy

balmy condor
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quit smite, quit wow

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you're healing

spice spire
marble hemlock
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"my Canadian friend (she's totally real) wanted us to hang out by the dark parking lot after buying gas station sushi"

spice spire
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Hyper casual

balmy condor
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time to develop alcoholism and grind league soloq

spice spire
marble hemlock
balmy condor
spice spire
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Oh ok ty

spice spire
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Also haven’t checked in like 5 days

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And I’m horrified at the number

balmy condor
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pookie is ruining our streak

spice spire
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Ik been a weird week sorry homie

balmy condor
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I think I have a 22 day streak with snow

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me and gaby are at like 3

marble hemlock
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"time to grind MapleStory instead". Also, I'm surprised my phone has an autocorrect for that that capitalizes that properly

balmy condor
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cause she's afk too

balmy condor
runic hinge
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jk I haven't played league since april, I'm clean

marble hemlock
balmy condor
spice spire
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Honestly I expected worse

balmy condor
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ever heard of it?

balmy condor
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26 tiktoks

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very real

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need her

spice spire
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LMAO

marble hemlock
balmy condor
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idk you seem to be trying pretty hard though mr asthma

marble hemlock
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Eventually you do it whether you want to or not

marble hemlock
balmy condor
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are you saying a cough isn't a breathing issue

marble hemlock
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Yes, I am

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It's a "my throat feels weird" issue

floral vale
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What's the reason for holding shiv until final 8 seconds of kb?

brittle quiver
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highest damage of kb

floral vale
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ah ok

long island
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hey

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in war within will the bis daggers have a use effect?

chilly nimbus
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
hexed frost
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1M overall in pre-patch and i'm worried Blizzard may nerf assa during heroic week PES4_AnnoyedSip

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Also wtf is wrong with Details kekdog

desert gate
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they wont nerf it, I highly doubt it

hexed frost
desert gate
hexed frost
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Hopefully. S3 and S4 assa pumps

raven egret
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i mean level 70 prepatch keys are meaningless with numbers in regards to S1 TWW

rotund oak
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bruh

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hope u are joking

rotund oak
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but dont assume anything based on ur personal dps from prepatch

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to project into heroic-tuning type of thing

hexed frost
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I was just reverse-coping

rotund oak
meager plank
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
long island
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did everyone become assassination mains because of the buff

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didnt see this many assassinations a month ago

supple rapids
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At what target count do we start using Crimson Tempest?

hot fulcrum
plain onyx
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hey guys, do we still use Shiv ?

paper arch
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If im talented into crimson temp should i use it on st fights like bosses?

hot fulcrum
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also AP (arterial precision) talent is about shiv usage

plain onyx
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thanks a lot

novel storm
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Is it hard to master assa and keep an eye on everything as a new assa player?

rotund oak
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no not rly

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u just need to get ur head behind the routine

hoary remnant
rotund oak
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and actively try to practice it

fading ocean
hoary remnant
novel storm
hexed frost
runic prairie
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assa is the easiest spec

hexed frost
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Anyways HOLY

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Dracthyr rogue be cooking

hexed frost
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Bad bait

runic prairie
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its a good thing

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i play it when i cbs playing sub

hexed frost
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I would rather have nightstalker back to push the normies out

royal lantern
runic prairie
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why yall think its bait :c

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sub is too complicated for its own good

balmy condor
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He’s right

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Assa is the easiest

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Not even controversial opinion

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Outlaw is debatable, for some people it just clicks

indigo mulch
#

I don't go near outlaw. My brain cant handle the ADHD playstyle. 😦

balmy condor
#

But I think all in all, assa is very clearly the recommendation for easy rogue spec

indigo mulch
#

I think assa, was pretty easy in raid, but i found it a lot harder in m+ than for example sub.

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Not sure now after all the hero talents but atleast thats how it used to be.

balmy condor
#

Mythic+ I think requires a bit of skill yeah

#

But a lot of people are just generally close minded about it I find

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Like there’s this view that the aoe rotation needs to be some storm->powder thing on loop

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“When you have 3 targets you press divine storm on cooldown” or whatever

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Hard set very easy “press this button all the time”

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And if you’re stuck with that view of aoe

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Assa will be insanely hard

indigo mulch
#

I just found it hard to juggle so many bleeds while keeping spatter up etc

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Prob just a skill issue but just comparing it to sub, it just felt like it was so much easier getting value from sub in keys for a long time.

royal lantern
#

"difficulty" talk is bait 90% of the time

indigo mulch
#

But "difficulty" is extremly subjective. 😄

runic prairie
#

i was answering the outlaw guy who wanted to try sin

indigo mulch
#

I wonder, in the HC patch if they would consider adding deathmark to garrote so you don't have to open up with ambush in m+. From what i understand you still need to ambush even on pull in a big pack, just to get it going.

royal lantern
#

"storm->blackpowder, use secret tech on cd" was legit how you could play it for DF S1/S2

#

meanwhile assa is a spec many people love to vastly overthink in m+ tbh

runic prairie
#

sub is still that but with flag + blades now

royal lantern
#

"keep bleeds on important targets that dont die in 6 seconds, and then ST 1 guy and cleave trought spatter" is the majority of your gameplay for aoe situations

fading ocean
#

^ that

royal lantern
#

too many people think dots = you want to manually tab target dot every single thing in existance

indigo mulch
#

if i remember correctly there was like a cap on how many dots you should have up aswell

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been awhile since i played so yeh ;X

royal lantern
#

basically when you have endless energy, you have enough ruptures out

pure sparrow
#

If you run the talent that gives you % agi for ruptures, I find that to be a pretty reliable tell on when to stop rupturing

#

Scent of blood (?)

novel storm
royal lantern
novel storm
#

On random packs in m+ how important is to keep bleeds on multiple targets all the time? Also lets say there is 8mob pack, on how many would you keep your bleeds?

royal lantern
#

dont even need to scroll on my screen

novel storm
# royal lantern just scroll up a bit 😄

Yeah I still cant really tell as I havent played it and dont have a feel to it, but what would you take as a main guide to tell you when you have enough bleeds on multiple targets?

indigo mulch
#

When you start getting energy capped every second then you have enough bleeds i guess

#

😄

royal lantern
#

when you have IC, you automatically spread bleeds wide by default, the IC bleed spread is always enough by itself

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when those bleeds run out or you didnt had IC, you should aim for putting rupture on targets that dont instantly die to the point where your energy usage is saturated, aka you dont drop energy anymore

novel storm
late surge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
last skiff
#

!dagger

mystic osprey
#

Sin is the best spec in beta rn?

jolly heath
#

do we know how much % dps of our tier set contributed to our overall?

balmy condor
balmy condor
mystic osprey
balmy condor
#

I think sub is ahead in single target a bit

#

but assassination is huge in aoe currently

slim lance
#

I saw some people like Petko rate Assa really high in ST as well. But I just cant wrap my head around that. ST seems lackluster compared to mage or WW when on M+ build :/

mystic osprey
balmy condor
balmy condor
# mystic osprey outlaw ass?

it's fine but if you talk to any outlaw rogue you'd get hit with a bible of how unplayable the spec is without acro and how punished they are for needing haste now to reach their adrenaline rush breakpoint

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

it's not in contention for biggus dickus damage but it's far less doom than the rhetoric would make it seem

mystic osprey
balmy condor
#

either assassination or sub

royal lantern
#

....the spec you like to play?

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outlaw always tends to be a bit weird in raids cus of how its dmg pattern works

#

aka it has no real burst

low ruin
#

Outlaws fine and still the most fun and smooth to play imo

royal lantern
#

but like, that stuff matters far less then most people act it does most of the tiem

#

we can argure about the fun and smooth part

balmy condor
mystic osprey
royal lantern
#

but ye, in the end its mostly just opinions anyway

oak eagle
#

the only thing i hate about outlaw atm

subtle tundra
#

outlaw fun lol!

royal lantern
#

people jerk waaaaay to hard about numbers

oak eagle
#

is how rng it is with your crackshot windows

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sometimes ill get like 6 in a row

#

or ill get 0 ace procs in 5 vanishs/dance

slim lance
#

how does outlaw DPS with SBWE without shadowdance now? As it goes on CD

low ruin
#

Vanish is effected by subterfuge and we get 2 stacks.

#

It's actually better than with dance

slim lance
#

hmmmm did they buff subterfuge?

royal lantern
#

no?

#

outlaw can just actually use subterfuge

subtle tundra
#

we get some FAT ambushes

low ruin
#

Increased it's duration I think to 6 to match dance

#

But dance was never effected by restless blades, vanish is. Whichnis why 2 stacks of vanish actually gives us more windows than 1 vanish and 1 dance

slim lance
#

yeah, it used to be 3 sec

#

good point

mystic osprey
#

im assuming we use fatebound?

balmy condor
#

Deathstalker generally

#

Fatebound isn’t bad at all, but it is easier to play and comes with some downsides because of it when compared to deathstalker

#

Tuning wise deathstalker is also ahead by 2-4% percent depending on situation

#

That being said though there’s also a bunch of bugs that are kinda muddying the water

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Echoing reprimand not working with deathstalker marks

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The deathstalker capstone bug where a generator will eat a stack of the mark instantly

low ruin
#

The anima charged cps?

balmy condor
#

Fatebound flips not working after edge case is strange too in the grander scheme of our cooldown sequence on pull

#

Just a lot of strange stuff

balmy condor
low ruin
#

I assume they just dnt consume the marks or do they consume them but not increase the finisher by 5cps?

balmy condor
#

The animacharged cp work fine

#

They just don’t interact with the marks at all

#

Neither the capstone nor the debuff

low ruin
#

At least we can still use the marks and they dnt get consumed and wasted I guess.

fallen thistle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tawny junco
#

Did they fix the garrote positive bug?

balmy condor
low ruin
#

No but its better than not getting to use the marks at all and er being unusable

tawny junco
#

I guess the spec looks fine even without that in m+

balmy condor
#

Well considering that subterfuge wasn’t good even with the bug, I’d say the spec is fine without that yes

#

Even with the bug subterfuge was nearly -3%

tawny junco
#

Oh lol

#

I’m hyped for tww, too bad I go back to work tomorrow

#

Can’t stay there nerding 24/7

mystic osprey
#

much change in the rotation?

static glacier
#

no

ornate gazelle
#

did echoing reprimand combo point wa's break for anyone else recently?

oak eagle
mystic osprey
#

Oh we don't spam crimson tempest anymore :(

balmy condor
#

What do you mean “anymore”

#

When did we do that

oak eagle
#

we never did

#

did we

#

like even back in bfa

balmy condor
#

Nope

mystic osprey
#

I'm kidding lad chill

oak eagle
#

when there was a bleed build with expidient stack

#

man i miss that bleed build

#

and i miss all that haste

balmy condor
south lava
#

!rotation

balmy condor
#

!guide

oak eagle
#

are they updated yet whispyr

balmy condor
#

They’re updated for prepatch yes

oak eagle
#

meant for tww but ig thats kinda a dumb question

balmy condor
#

Tww guides go up with the early access or the night before

vestal wren
# balmy condor When did we do that

many people did that at the start of BfA,
i remember quite some surprised pikachu faces in this discord when explaining why you shouldn't.

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but bfa is quite a while ago

oak eagle
#

ahh yes pikatchu faces

vestal wren
#

🧓

oak eagle
#

fuu is the master at the english language

urban heart
#

on the kingsbane window, we finish with evenom at 5+ or 7?

vestal wren
balmy condor
urban heart
#

ok, thx

balmy condor
static glacier
#

im still putting ui shit off

#

i hate ui stuff

supple rapids
#

When pooling do you often not press anything? It feels so odd to just be auto attacking in ST.

normal mist
#

yeah we just chill

supple rapids
#

Like... Really?

normal mist
#

Yeah

grim jay
#

thats quite literally what pooling means ye

normal mist
#

i mean you can spam if you want

#

but you'll feel afk more often

grim jay
#

can just play vicious venoms and not pool ye

maiden cloak
grim jay
#

on ST

manic quartz
#

Pooling is great opportunity to take sip from your drink of choice.

maiden cloak
maiden cloak
grim jay
#

you currently need to pool either way tbf

#

because of the tierset

maiden cloak
#

Yeah true

indigo mulch
#

I honestly don't like pooling to much 😭 Sure it gives a bit more skill expression but i rather just smash envenom whenever i have combo points for it 😄

#

me smash button, me do damgur

runic prairie
#

you're not meant to spam mutilate by default and pool?

normal mist
#

you should start pooling on 5+ cps

#

mutilate to 5+ and then chill until you have like 80% of your energy

ripe carbon
#

so in tww is our talents the same or do we get extra talents to spend compared to now?

#

or are hero talents the only thing u spend more from different to now?

strange python
#

Just get her talents

narrow skiff
#

Hello guys, are you using a macro for your ghost strike ?

normal mist
#

what ghost strike?

#

This is a retail (mainly) server

grim jay
#

damgur

narrow skiff
#

arf my game is not in english

indigo mulch
#

Right now it is yeah ;c

narrow skiff
#

ghostly strike ? ahha

normal mist
#

as i said

#

either you're talking about classic or #outlaw

narrow skiff
#

rogue discussion, my bad guys

#

have fun

normal mist
#

This is the assassination channel

narrow skiff
#

wrong

#

yes sory !

tall jay
#

Yes macro it to your pistol shot 🙂

normal mist
#

its not really a good idea tho

tall jay
#

true, I did it cause I never pushed high keys and I was lazy lol

normal mist
#

in theory they don't want to macro it to anything because you can G.strike a dying mob and you just wasted it

tall jay
#

oh yea theres that too.

#

don't macro it 😄

#

speaking of doing something stupid, i am thinking of cleaing up my wow stuff.

#

and weakaura clean up lol

pure moth
#

Nothing stupid about that. Get rid of all the old stuff and start with clean slate.

arctic crown
#

Damn there is no rotation guide for assas rogue?

#

cant find like any video on yt xD

pure moth
#

!guide

main blaze
tall jay
midnight atlas
#

i save screenshots, uninstall game and delete everything before expansion launch

#

leveling can be done with 0 addons and then when you reach max and be bored cuz there's nothing to do, work on UI

tall jay
#

true

indigo mulch
#

Beluar released some video about getting a better ui and cam movement that looked pretty cool for leveling atleast

potent dagger
indigo mulch
#

I actually logged in earlier and deleted all my addons and all my weakauras other than Lis's wa. :X

pure moth
#

Yeah I deleted all the raid packs and everything but a rogue pack wa.

slow echo
#

How do I pin a thread so it always shows up below assassination?

south lava
#

are we good in TWW because of hero talent?

#

cause currently i dont feel so good

#

in pre patch

normal mist
#

We play almost exactly the same in TWW

#

and we're good because of tuning

indigo mulch
#

We're always good!

royal lantern
#

a ~10-15% aura buff just tends to make everything strong lol

south lava
#

is aura buff effective now?

minor finch
#

dont we have a shit ton of bugs?

spice surge
#

Everybody does

minor finch
#

the xpac is like 5 days away lol

spice spire
rotund oak
rotund oak
#

sub is one of them

south lava
#

/wa

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
scenic nacelle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
nova aspen
#

is there a reason i cant see my caustic splatter animation from mutilate?

#

oh wait nevermind im thinking of the poison bomb lol

subtle tundra
#

why is it such a common thing for people to think poison bomb is caustic spatter

haughty flicker
#

because you constantly hear about spatter and never hear about poison bomb

#

so they see poison aoe and think spatter

past forum
#

Tbh I would like a slight visual for spatter to see roughly where it’s hitting

#

Just like a light poison misting

regal cedar
#

Any good tips on best ways to manage or return to your primary target when spreading dots during indiscriminate carnage? I know you can funnel it to your main target, but would prefer to play optimally

fleet pagoda
#

think there's a few brave lads here using mouse over macros too. sounds messy but peeposhrug find what works for you

regal cedar
#

Yea I was thinking of some way in plater because I’d like to save focus macro for interrupts

grim jay
#

most that dont do the lazy way probably use a good plater setup ye

fleet pagoda
#

I'd assume under the plater settings you'd utilize Npc Colors/Names tab, but I'm not wisened enough with it to know for sure

past forum
#

5 targets or less you can just spam off main target with IC and it’s exactly the same

fleet pagoda
past forum
#

Also anything beyond that isn’t giving you Scent stacks and you’re probably already energy flooded so unless you’ve pulled 10 elites probably better to just get your spatter juicing anyway

balmy condor
tired gull
#

Wasn’t there a time where sin used ct in st?

static glacier
#

I remember ct on 2t

balmy condor
#

Last patch of bfa if you had more than 70% haste

rotund oak
balmy condor
#

70% was the breakpoint

rotund oak
#

oh u mean static haste

#

not procs n stuff

past elk
#

Hey guys, Is there a reason to use Fan of Knife as a single target on Tww?

rotund oak
#

coz OP was giving like some thousands of haste

potent raven
#

ye on deathstalker i think u use fok

#

its inhttps://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1271649178778603541

slate crown
past elk
#

Ok thx !

south lava
#

!macro

shy axle
#

i downloaded the new devlin bar and having trouble to get the duration of kingsbane shown at the top of it like splatter is, it seems to there normaly if i see it correctly? Normaly i just change the name to german and it works but it shows as kingsbane/königsmord + id under the load tab. Any idea how to get it?

balmy condor
#

Should ask Devin

#

But everything should be done through IDs to avoid localization like that

#

Shouldn’t need to do anything

slate crown
#

@white lance I summon you

white lance
#

hail champion

slate crown
#

Also yeah use ID, and put the ID into the Name field of auras. It will match Any aura that matches the name of that spell's ID, in all languages

#

(using the exact spell Id field isn't necessary most of the time, there are some edge cases where you need it but most of the time best to use the name field with an ID)

slate crown
white lance
shy axle
#

i just copied it into weakauras and did not change anything. Where do i change it/see it?

white lance
#

if you go to custom options --> assassination you can choose how you display kingsbane

#

if you choose "main group" it will only be the icon

shy axle
#

the icon next to splatter or the one below that shows the kb cd? i will try it, ty!

white lance
#

if you choose main group its where the kb cd is, if you choose active group its next to spatter

shy axle
#

it worked, thanks again

white lance
white lance
slate crown
#

Using exact spell ID will resolve the issue with localization, so that's fine

#

but the ID in name field allows you to simply match on things that match the name so you don't have to be always correct

#

Like

#

There are 4 different spell IDs or something for Stealth

white lance
#

ah i see

slate crown
#

Rather than entering all 4, you only need any of them

white lance
#

like override spells

slate crown
#

yes

#

Where the name of the spell remains the same but the ID is different

white lance
#

ya, now i got work to do -.-

slate crown
#

And doing ID in Name also works with localization, it's pulling the name from the client's spell data

#

It's not required, I left my whole pack as exact ID after learning this for awhile

#

but I shifted everything over when I cleaned up for TWW

white lance
#

is it same function on the load tab as in the triggers?

slate crown
#

Yeah

white lance
#

omg

slate crown
#

You can do the same thing in most spell name fields

#

cooldown works

#

Combat Log events with spell name also works

white lance
#

now my evening is booked and cooked!

slate crown
#

doing id-in-name, that is

#

Then just use Exact ID checkboxes when you actually need it

#

I think there are a handful of cases that need it still, but most don't

#

I don't recall which ones off the top of my head

white lance
#

i know cold blood is overridden with hero talent

#

was having issues with it

slate crown
#

I think hero talents are a bit janky

rotund oak
slate crown
#

So yeah need exact on some of those

#

oh like

#

Echoing reprimand, the 3 buffs you get all have the same name IIRC

#

so if you want to track all of them or have individual trackers per, that's a case where exact spell ID still makes sense

potent dagger
#

Do shadowmelt can work for indiscriminate carnage ?

#

On packs during keys, i know it does not let you exit combat during boss fights

royal lantern
#

kinda?

#

its janky

potent dagger
#

Ok so as bugged as for outlaw then :/

#

i'm thinking about re racing my char

royal lantern
#

you need to meld->spam stealth, and even then it often doesnt really work

potent dagger
#

Either staying VE or getting back NE or Human

royal lantern
#

play what you want man

rotund oak
#

i can sell you human but im not that manipulative

rotund oak
royal lantern
#

wait, was it friday or thursday

rotund oak
#

3 days early

#

epic version is in the 23rd

#

normal is 26th

spice surge
rotund oak
#

its not like its gonna work anyway

royal lantern
#

ok ye, so friday

rotund oak
#

we gonna beta test launch

royal lantern
#

still have work and stuff

rotund oak
royal lantern
rotund oak
#

(the bait has been laid)

#

but ye jokes aside ive got no hopes of actually logging in the 23rd and lvling

#

there is just no way

potent dagger
rotund oak
potent dagger
#

TBH as long as i have alternative to play Dwarf or Tauren, i am happy

#

those two are too ugly even for min maxing XD

royal lantern
#

mate, again

rotund oak
#

ild normally act offended but ills tand my ground

royal lantern
#

play what you want lol

rotund oak
novel storm
#

In bigger packs, when do you fok and when do you mutilate?

royal lantern
#

3+ targets = you FoK and only use Mutilate to keep Spatter up on your maintarget

wicked vapor
#

is the sin hidden artifact still in the dalaran sewers?

paper arch
#

Anyway, -> wowhead

wicked vapor
#

ya just a pita to get

#

didnt know if anything changed, ty

paper arch
#

Is there any in depth guide for assa here on discord, or somewhere else? The wowhead and icy veins guide seems to have only baseline infos

#

I mean, like outlaw have a faq section here on discord

#

Is there some for assa too?

main blaze
#

The assassination wowhead is written by whysper here so it should be up to date.

paper arch
#

Its ok

spice surge
#

Pins have some info as well, but in general no

paper arch
#

But i would like to get some min max informations

spice surge
#

Not sure what kind of info youre looking for though, wowhead covers it at all pretty much

paper arch
#

Like talents simulations comparison or in depth aoe rotation guide/priority list

manic quartz
#

I just glanced over the devlin group and def gonna give it a try in TWW, looks amazing

white lance
#

been here every expansion launch ever, wouldnt wanna miss it 🙂

main blaze
slate crown
paper arch
#

Ok thx boys

normal mist
#

No problem

runic hinge
#

so outlaw was in ohio with livvy dunn, but then blizzard fanum taxed adrenaline rush and totally mogged the flow of the spec, cause needing a haste breakpoint is not skibidi on god. And if you wanna play sub you gotta no cap go to cooldown academy and learn from professor spreadsheet. Shadowdust massive L rizz chat fr. Trickster on top for double L rizz cause cope de grass no cap fanum taxes a gcd, ermmm what the sigma? Assa is a slower spec so you can keep up your goon sesh during it, but in m+ it's really hard to mew and play at the same time, requires a massive gyatt brain no cap. I think overall rogue just needs a W patch with bug fixes to be in an alpha spot on god, but until then I'm not gonna give blizzard my robux, L expansion chat

main blaze
safe sand
#

For M+ -- is it Daethstalker right now, or Fatebound? I've only been messing with Deathstalker

#

This is for Beta

normal mist
#

Whatever you want to test

keen geyser
#

returning player from shadowlands here which buffs do i need to blacklist in my plater that are not important to track ?

onyx crane
#

assa rogues don't snapshot do they?

normal mist
#

Not anymore

jaunty dew
#

Used to with dance

normal mist
#

Besides improved garrote

slate crown
jaunty dew
#

It is no longer the case

#

So which dungeons are we going to farm on tww?

slate crown
#

Improved garrote is technically a snapshot. That's the only one.

jaunty dew
#

Any trinkets or other noticables from m+?

slate crown
#

Nothing else

onyx crane
#

so dropping garatte after an improved is stupid

#

garotte*

jaunty dew
slate crown
#

Well, it's a damage loss, yes. You want your improved garrote to tick the full duration

jaunty dew
#

Unless its an epidemic window iirc

slate crown
#

It is a loss to overwrite it with a non-improved garrote

#

Nope, you let it go all the way unless you have vanish up

#

Even in pandemic

onyx crane
#

so you let it go to the last second

#

and re apply

slate crown
#

Just the improved garrote, yes. Every other garrote cast you can refresh in pandemic

onyx crane
#

I never really understood pandemic windows and snapshots, my feral performance is really wishy washy

slate crown
#

!pandemic

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

slate crown
#

Perhaps that will help

tired gull
#

Does imp garrote have a different spellid

slate crown
#

Thankfully you don't have to worry about snapshots with us, just put Improved Garrote as an exception in your mind

#

Nothing else we have snapshots

slate crown
onyx crane
#

I just try to never drop my bleeds but some mechanics ya know

slate crown
#

Yup, keep them up.

onyx crane
#

'drop your puddle to the end of the hallways'

#

last night I was playing igara and did not get single spear

#

felt good

#

not that you drop that far away

#

I try to get back into rogue but I am a sloppy player

#

very average

normal mist
#

And that's fine

onyx crane
#

so it always feels weak compared to other classes to me

#

then i get demotivated

static glacier
onyx crane
#

but it always feels so good to play assa

#

it's one of my favorite loops

normal mist
#

Once you and the spec click, you'll see your improvement growing rapidly

onyx crane
#

unless they re-add dance again

#

that was not fun

#

or exsanguinate

normal mist
#

Dance was never a problem to be honest

#

It was macroed to KB

onyx crane
#

how many finisher can you do with one echo?

normal mist
#

3

slate crown
#

echoing charges one combo point by default.
if you take the Resounding Clarity talent (which we do typically) it charges 2 more for a total of 3

onyx crane
#

so

#

hmm

#

I think my weakaura is scuffed then

vestal cliff
#

!ui

slate crown
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vestal cliff
#

Ah thanks

onyx crane
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yeah my WA does not correctly display the 3rd cp

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I don't like icon based timers

slate crown
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When you need to use exact timers typically progress bars are better, imo

earnest remnant
onyx crane
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yeah my progress bars work fine still

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just need a new CP one

slate crown
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Above packs all have some form of CP trackers if you want to yoink one

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And they all probably show ER charges on the combo points

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I know mine does

onyx crane
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the one I have does too but incorrectly

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it always seem to not display the 3rd one

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wich then makes a lot of sense why my dps is as it is

slate crown
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Probably not

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If you are missing that third one, it probably barely impacts you dps much, sure it'll be less but it's not like an enormous deal

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If you got the aura from somewhere, probably should just go update it

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The expansion brought some combo point/ER changes I think it shifted which ones it empowers compared to before

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So that may have been missed

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if you made it yourself then just be sure you're looking for the right ER buffs

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(Or, you can use conditions now for a bunch of it, they created ER specific condition points)

sick sail
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Been out of it for 2 weeks. Seeing a lot of rogue buffs so far! Wowhead up to date for guides etc? Not trying to offend anyone, I love the guides!

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I feel like for me it’s been tough memorizing notations for assa rogue but the guides make it seem so much easier

onyx crane
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check pins?

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or boy whispyr is quite reliable

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If I knew how to write WA's

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I could alter the one I got

cursive frost
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is there a known bug when you stealth after getting off mount that causes you to break stealth immediately?

sick sail
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Yea Whispyr is awesome just wanted to see if something new was added or what’s talked. Yes I’ll check the pins, lol

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Starting to see a lot of YouTube videos now, even for PvP which is nice

lime crypt
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i just hope that no items in tww will get you out of sttealth

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its something that sounds like absolute nobrainer to fix but they havent done so at all

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albeit dracthyr lego or the cloak .-.

onyx crane
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ok I fixed the ER display but I still don't get a 7th CP on display

brazen oasis
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is there an documented change that blizz did to deathstalker mark being applied even if its not ambush first out of stealth as long as its in subterfuge? Or did they just changed it without telling anyone?

balmy condor
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Neither

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The mark hasn’t changed in functionality for a couple weeks

brazen oasis
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but it does apply

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without ambush as first global

balmy condor
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Are you talented into subterfuge for some reason

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Nice

brazen oasis
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wow getting cencored

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well it was just me having a brain malfunction

balmy condor
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aPES_Salute I saw the filter hit glad you got it figured out

runic hinge
slim glade
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does someone of you know why it breaks my stealth all the time in azure vault?

subtle tundra
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is your cloak by any chance a certain sarkareth one

slim glade
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ah

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ye

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😄

brittle quiver
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what is a decent/good envenom uptime for single target? just messing around on st dummy im around 92%

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fatebound

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build

royal lantern
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90%+ is what you normaly have

brittle quiver
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gotcha

tired gull
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what are peoples' opinions on the current 4 pc set bonus, prioritizing envenom clipping

iron valve
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it's nice, won't matter for long

runic hinge
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The new talent is close and if it was a bit stronger we’d chain in the same way

tired gull
ruby oyster
spice surge
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Having something to play around is nice

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Playing around envenom uptime aint it

royal lantern
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and not this 90%+ default uptime we have since forever now lol

south lava
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what are you guys clod blooding enveoms yea?

high jetty
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it's really too bad we cant get Bonespike in the bleed build

normal mist
south lava
normal mist
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your name is misleading

spice surge
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But if you are, it doesnt really matter what you use it on

red wolf
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New talent? Did the 4p get put in the spec tree somewhere?

south lava
spice surge
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Theres like no difference between using it for cp on mutilate and using it for envenoms

south lava
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ahh cool just figuring out what would give the most gain i just macrod it into envenom for the lols