#assassination

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raven egret
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make all numbers private

indigo mulch
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I love it because even if x class is on top of the thingie it generally never ever matters.

rain mortar
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I wonder who is joining the current stream Max is doing to talk about rogue when it’s our turn. I pray it’s @balmy condor

gilded oasis
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spoiler it probably isnt

balmy condor
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It won’t be

indigo mulch
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I pray its guy.

rain mortar
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Damnit

indigo mulch
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Guy scares me.

balmy condor
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I’m not home today

agile wedge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rain mortar
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Who the heck is it going to be? Some outlaw Andy who is going to try to get Sin nerfed!?

indigo mulch
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I dont even think it matters even if they nerf sin or how bad it is

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I'll still be playing sin

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I sold my soul to Sub in s3 for smolderon prog. Never again

tired gull
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i play sin for the same reason i play afflock

indigo mulch
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I'm an affli lock enjoyer aswell

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I'm contemplating that or arcane mage as my alt

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I like all the stuffs you shoot as arcane 😄

tired gull
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i only played rogue up until Siege... and rolled a lock alt for obvious reasons

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those are still the only two classes i've ever played beyond leveling

raven egret
analog hornet
agile wedge
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team, unfortunately i did not back up my interface properly and i need to redo it. currently looking for a certain posion reminder wa. it basically had 2 icons with a text on it to tell me if i need to put two posions each. does anyone have something similar?

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like 1/2

raven egret
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theres some in the WA packs your looked at earlier

agile wedge
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i looked through them but it seemed to be like when i did 1 of each, the icons already went away, so i might be missing 1 or 2 😛

white lance
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i believe LE uses the icons with the 1/2

agile wedge
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let me check, thanks!

agile wedge
gusty mirage
normal mist
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An Oxi blessing

lime crypt
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how good is nick?

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i still own one from s3

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which is 483ilvl

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but then again i got 499ilvl weapon in my inventory

normal mist
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499 should win

lime crypt
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ayt ty

normal mist
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the ilvl dif is too big

runic hinge
craggy bear
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do you get 1combo point per target hit with fan of knives?

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atleast i remember this was the case, Has this been moved into a talent that i might be missing?

runic hinge
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Per target crit

normal mist
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1+1 per target crit yeah

novel storm
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Whats the best youtube guide to learn assa and rotations, how its played now?

normal mist
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Your best bet is watching Whispyr videos

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Where he just says what he wrote in the guide

tall atlas
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whos going into max's stream for assa?

normal mist
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i just wanna know who is he calling for the rogue part of the stream

tall atlas
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will probs be guy or jpc for outlaw

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whis for Assa

indigo mulch
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whispyr isen't even available today.

normal mist
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whispyr wont go

indigo mulch
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:p

proud yacht
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is fuu around?

runic hinge
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Jpc is mia

proud yacht
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he'd be good

normal mist
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i believe fuu might be already sleeping

indigo mulch
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ye

blazing jewel
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@silk bane

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its your time

silk bane
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nah i cant go up there

normal mist
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Armin isn't known for his timings

gilded oasis
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imagine planning who you're going to talk to beforehand

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couldnt be streamers

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I loathe tier lists

normal mist
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just really wanna know who's gonna talk

blazing jewel
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@silk bane explain the trickster rotation up there gachiBASS

tall atlas
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i honestly was not going to play this xpac at all until i heard 1 of the rogue specs was popping off

silk bane
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okay if I go there im just gonna start fuming

slate crown
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EXPLAINING TRICKSTER ON STREAM TO MAX OMEGAKEKW

tall atlas
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so if they keep the tuning for the yellow boiz good theyve made a sale

silk bane
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like these idiots are like wah wah wah this is passive, this is tuned low its beans

tall atlas
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i know that sounded racist but you all know who i mean

silk bane
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and im out here like oh yes

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deathstalker

indigo mulch
silk bane
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makes me fuckign wanna kms

blazing jewel
silk bane
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where do i put that?

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is that beans

tall atlas
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is ir racist if we refer to ourselves as the yellow boiz

silk bane
slate crown
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It's not rly complicated

silk bane
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u know, i should go up therre and say, well sub rogues hero talents are private aurad thats neat

gilded oasis
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what is it now i have to find it

silk bane
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like

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da fuq am i gonna say

normal mist
tall atlas
normal mist
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we are all 1 patch of tuning from going from good to bad hehe

tall atlas
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no one wants to orange parse and be 6th on the meter

slate crown
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He did specifically call out that he doesn't have someone for Evoker and warrior, and when he did he didn't call out rogue, which makes me think he already has someone lined up.

indigo mulch
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I don't even know our tuning, i'm still playing sin.

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😄

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I'm not playing in a top100 guild so honestly noone really cares what you play.

slate crown
indigo mulch
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It would be fun to do some form of single target dps but i'm sure it will be fine.

rain mortar
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Maybe I’m just a sucker but I enjoy hearing this stuff. I know it’s a lot of whining but I find it entertaining. Traditional tier lists suck but the way max does it at least lets people who main the class talk in some detail

indigo mulch
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The guild i'm in dosen't have a rogue anyway so i have a spot either way.

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Everyone is just playing hunter cause they do big dam right now. I'm just okay being my little pokestabbystab guy.

subtle tundra
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it always is

gilded oasis
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chasing fotm must be tiring

normal mist
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Because since tuning isnt final, a spec rated F right now could be A or even S in 2 patch notes

runic hinge
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Max is just farming content

indigo mulch
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A lot of content creator makes tier lists just cause it just generates a lot of views. Thats prob the only reason.

rain mortar
# normal mist But it is a waste of time what he's doing, in theory

How so? Because there will still be tuning. It doesn’t happen all the time but there are multiple example of max complaining or talking about something on stream and it ends up getting nerfed or buffed. Right or wrong it may be worth it to buy in and shoot our shot haha

subtle tundra
haughty flicker
slate crown
haughty flicker
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Just an excuse to get a bunch of people on stream to talk about specs

stuck knoll
rain mortar
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Plus - liquid has their own actual tier list based on math. He’s not sharing their secrets lol

runic hinge
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Math is fake

haughty flicker
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All my homies hate math

stuck knoll
indigo mulch
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But tier lists and simulationcraft rankings generally has 0 impact what is good or not. We generally see whats "good" on the last 3~ bosses in a raid. Ofcourse there are always outliers like DK back in shadowlands with their gigantic amz.

rain mortar
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Well… I mean he’s talked about how much time they spend on target dummies etc to try and form their comp. Whatever is said in the tier list on his stream may he totally different in his opinion. He’s just doing it for entertainment

indigo mulch
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And if you're not playing in a top50~100 guild, noone really should be caring what spec your playing as long as the boss dies.

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Min maxing class stacking dosen't belong even in a top500 guild.

haughty flicker
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Not to defend tier lists, but what should matter and what actually does end up matter are often different

rain mortar
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Yeah obviously that’s true - but it’s like football - we care about what the best teams are doing even though our teams suck because the Super Bowl is fun. It’s just entertainment is all

haughty flicker
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What spec you pug as in m+ shouldn’t matter for 99% of people, but it absolutely does because everyone follows the meta of the top .1%

tired gull
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gotta run meta for +10s

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it's the only way to succeed

stuck knoll
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They're just content and conversation pieces hopefully people don't base their entire decision off something that is realistically just made for entertainment purposes

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But we all know the reality is different sadly

indigo mulch
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Even if your class does 500k less dps than the top spec, your spec might still be the top dps in raids just due to other things like damage profiles or just how the fights are built.

tired gull
normal mist
indigo mulch
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No, i'm talking like raw numbers from simulationcraft where a lot of people go to look to see "what the best is"

stuck knoll
indigo mulch
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Maybe i'm just old but like, it really does not matter what class you play unless you play world first race, by the time a lot of us get to the point, gear dosen't really matter anymore. Its just we being bad holding us back 99% of the time.

rain mortar
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Outlaw has dimmed highest in the last and still been the worst rogue spec that tier IIRC

subtle tundra
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encounter design affect encounter dps, more at 12

indigo mulch
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Damage profile matters the most. Big bursty spec on 2min cd is extremly valuebale for a lot of raid content.

floral vale
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ngl y'all, I know the sbs build is better numerically but without a trace feels so much better in keys on beta, also subterfuge allowing you to apply the ambush for 6 seconds is very convenient as well

rain mortar
indigo mulch
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Having that one rogue who might be semi good on rogue but awful on mage seams like a really bad trade off just to get the right comp

normal mist
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why do you want to ambush for 6 seconds?!

floral vale
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skill issue I know but while pugging even higher keys (10-12) it's saved me a couple of times

normal mist
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but once that target dies you get the DN buff

indigo mulch
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99% of the time playing a spec you feel comfy in generates better results than having a player playing something hes not comfy with during prog.

normal mist
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and you can apply mark to another target

floral vale
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this is true

indigo mulch
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Sometimes you just need some specs like warlocks for gate or similar things just to make the fight easier but generally playing what you feel you play the best is the best idea both for your guild and for your own sanity.

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I wish more raids would adapt that menality, unfortunally thats not how it goes.

normal mist
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Raid up to heroic only

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hehehe

rain mortar
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Yeah I mean it’s probably smart to try to find one of every raid buff with a good player then the rest doesn’t matter. But even if missing a raid buff it’s probably OKAY

indigo mulch
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If your in a guild that NEEDS that 3% damage from monks and not a top50 guild then you have more things to worry about.

indigo mulch
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😄

royal lantern
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it isnt even 5% more dmg

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cus like

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almost nobody does pure physical dmg

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most melee dps also profit more from DH debuff

stuck knoll
indigo mulch
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99% of the time when you get to a new encounter your dps sucks right, having the right raid buff prob wont matter cause you will just do more damage the more you do the encounter right?

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Thats generally how it goes

royal lantern
stuck knoll
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false I play warrior

royal lantern
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50% of your dmg is dmg effects on your gear anyway

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ye, its like

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arms/fury/outlaw/mm/bm who profit fully from monk

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everyone else does atleast 50% magic dmg or more

stuck knoll
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monk too

royal lantern
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(idk about survival tbh)

haughty flicker
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Bomba

rain mortar
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I mean obviously the raid buffs matter but not having one doesn’t mean you can do the fights and still be successful. Like anything else. Having better equipment is good, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary. You can do just fine without it.

cerulean walrus
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What’s DN? Clueless

normal mist
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Darkest night

cerulean walrus
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Ah

indigo mulch
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By the time we get to the end boss, gear will most likley be irrelevant anyway.

normal mist
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LOL

royal lantern
# stuck knoll monk too

can we really say monk benefits from it when they have a 100% uptime cus they apply it by themself and are balanced around it? monkahmm

cerulean walrus
haughty flicker
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I wonder how many people have seen that abbreviation and been too scared to ask

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Because they didn’t want to get hit

stuck knoll
normal mist
rain mortar
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Is the rogue thing going to be a secret JPC show up and announce he is actually not retired and back for the raid? Haha

cerulean walrus
stuck knoll
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He said in outlaw like 20 minutes ago that he's just not playing this tier

rain mortar
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Ahhhh

cerulean walrus
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Jesus Penis Cock in the flesh

worldly sail
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JPC stands for James Personal Computer

red wolf
royal lantern
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cus our mage stops playing

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feels a bit cringe, ngl

indigo mulch
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I might actually play arcane as an alt atleast.

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It looks super fun

haughty flicker
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Your guild protagonist quit

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Just disband

cerulean walrus
haughty flicker
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Tbh

rain mortar
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Int is one of the buffs that actually would probably feel bad not to have

worldly sail
cerulean walrus
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Real

rain mortar
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JPC stand for “JPC Personal Computer”?

worldly sail
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yes and you can keep doing it forever

haughty flicker
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Names within names

red wolf
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"P" stands for pvc

white lance
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What does the JPC in JPC personal computer stand for then?

rain mortar
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Maybe it stands for “JPC PC C”

royal lantern
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probs get a mage trial a couple weeks in

haughty flicker
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It goes on forever

indigo mulch
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Can i play mage in your guild?

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I'm forever a green logger

slate crown
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Max said someone reached out to him for us logs who dat

silk bane
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my guess is guy

indigo mulch
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Guy scares me

silk bane
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same

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i dont like when he goes up there and just says yeah looks good ship it

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then goes back on twitter and starrts posting KS videos

indigo mulch
normal mist
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"rogues are so down bad"

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oh no

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its starting

indigo mulch
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Thats not a rogue

normal mist
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We'll need therapy after this

past forum
indigo mulch
normal mist
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yeah just saying what he said

rain mortar
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LOL

indigo mulch
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The outlaw channel also scares me. 😦

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Everyone typing so fast.

rain mortar
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I’m just so curious who it’s going to be - I care more about that than what they actually say lol

normal mist
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A surprise it seems

deep arch
rain mortar
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I actually don’t even really know what we are in raid - I just know we are good in m+ or at least sin is haha

marble hemlock
# normal mist

the propaganda is spreading. gotta make sure people think rogue is not that great so we dont get nerfed instantly when tewawi releases

slate crown
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"NOONES TALKED ABOUT RANGE YET" OMEGAKEKW OMEGAKEKW OMEGAKEKW YOU JUST WAIT

normal mist
slate crown
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(Not that I really care as a non outlaw)

marble hemlock
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good

rain mortar
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I mean I think we have to lean into this rogue sucks storyline.

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Design honestly it is still kind of poopoo but damage big ?

indigo mulch
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I'm i the only one who has no clue how good/bad rogue is? 😄 I'm just blissfully in my own world.

marble hemlock
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if its on top of the meters, thats just because our theorycrafting and community is better than everybody elses, so people are better informed on how to play well this early already

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trust me

normal mist
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in Seli we trust

indigo mulch
past forum
indigo mulch
rain mortar
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Max secretly bringing Pikaboo on for PVE rogue

silk bane
spice spire
marble hemlock
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guys opinion is based on what he rolls

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its the lore

indigo mulch
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lol

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I think guy is catching a bit to many strays ;p

marble hemlock
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man has been throwing hands so much in his career, he can use them to catch some strays, its fine

woeful meteor
arctic crown
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Wasaa, Anyone has like a rotation guide video of the assa_

slate crown
royal lantern
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"reached out" in what way

slate crown
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we'll find out soon

balmy condor
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Terrifying

royal lantern
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the assassin is comming

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or smth like that

normal mist
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We're probably next

royal lantern
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@blazing jewel sending the sink demon

runic hinge
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Stu is an assassin and he can talk. It’s probably him

past forum
blazing jewel
balmy condor
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The fact that no one knows who this mystery reach out is

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Scares me

blazing jewel
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@indigo ether its you

royal lantern
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and what it even is

maiden sierra
past forum
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random title m+er who played ass on beta after the buffs

maiden sierra
haughty flicker
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It’s a wowhead commenter

distant sage
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coldblood kingsbane still nice in pvp or is it ass

tall jay
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I hope this mysterious person don’t get us nerfred lol max had a way of getting things nerfed on his streams

balmy condor
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That’s not how it works

royal lantern
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bruh

haughty flicker
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That’s exactly how it works, blizzard watches max’s stream to balance the game

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Obviously

balmy condor
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Of course yes

indigo mulch
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That must be it.

haughty flicker
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Surely

restive falcon
maiden sierra
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max is a hidden wow dev in disguise

restive falcon
balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
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And just write down everything

royal lantern
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dont forget that one aswell

indigo mulch
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Specially cause max's opinion reflects all of the community.

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Hes not at all in a vaccum when it comes to raiding 😮

tall jay
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lol

indigo mulch
tall jay
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Me kicking the nest

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lol

tall jay
indigo mulch
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Yeah must be max's fault 😄 its not like you stacked DK's cause they did really good damage and had the best raid utility in the game.

royal lantern
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^

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like

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its not that they nerf it cus of him

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they nerf it cus its too strong, and ofc it gets abused in the highest level of play if its too strong

rain mortar
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i finished my 4th rogue im finally ready for TWW

indigo mulch
normal mist
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Rogue next

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Lets see who's this special mysterious guy

rain mortar
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omg

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whispy!

white lance
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Hiya

drifting light
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Its whyspy boyo

normal mist
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HIYA

drifting light
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Lol

sharp viper
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HIYA

woeful meteor
rain mortar
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okay Whispy - we believe in you

blazing jewel
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@balmy condor ill post my feet in this channel rn

woeful meteor
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and now you told max what he has to do gigarat

blazing jewel
restive falcon
cerulean walrus
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I’ll post Whispyr’s feet in this channel

sharp viper
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oh my

blazing jewel
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murloc onesie pjs

restive falcon
indigo mulch
sharp viper
rain mortar
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No the hero we deserve - but the hero we needed

runic hinge
royal lantern
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remember when we could use it as a command

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before the evil tyrants (server mods) took it away

silk bane
cerulean walrus
blazing jewel
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@indigo ether focus up

spice spire
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Buddy

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What are those

blazing jewel
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Nike blazers hello

shrewd night
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hello it me, blazed up catman

tall atlas
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I told you whis was gonna. Do it

normal mist
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I mean, he also did say he couldn't do it

normal mist
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HIYA IN THE CHAT

restive falcon
maiden sierra
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HIYA

haughty flicker
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that wasnt a hiya

shrewd night
maiden sierra
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i feel scammed

blazing jewel
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HIYA

normal mist
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same, we need to complain about the lack of HIYA

final star
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@balmy condor wrong already, you play it as a 1.5m spec that's it now

royal lantern
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what is he doing

normal mist
raven egret
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Shadowdust is cringe yes

royal lantern
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lagging kekw

final star
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no more spreadsheet spec as sub, fortunately

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but the entire spec is an amalgous blob of trash ICANT

digital sigil
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Fuck Echoing Reprimand
Delete it prayge

slate crown
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I'd argue it has the vibe of a spreadsheet spec

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regardless of the recent changes

final star
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Nowhere close to what it was for amirdrassil

slate crown
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If you're walking in and don't know, it is going to look insane

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yeah you learn and it's fine but it's so hard to step into for a new person

final star
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100pp

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but as soon as you hear "play it as a 1.5 min spec" it kinda falls into place

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compared to amirdrassil

shrewd night
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The feel when 2/3 specs youve chosen for S1 is A tier

raven egret
shrewd night
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Thats fine

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I couldnt survive being a shit s-tier gamer

final star
haughty flicker
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im glad i finally have a tier list to base my rerolling off though

normal mist
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Holy damn his chat is wild

final star
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Whispyr is fuckin yapping

haughty flicker
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hes stalling

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so he doesnt have to talk about outlaw

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actually a genius

blazing jewel
final star
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Max is falling asleep

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fucking hell

ebon notch
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HAHAHAA

restive falcon
midnight mist
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holy

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banger

normal mist
junior aurora
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top of a aint no way

royal lantern
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twitch viewerbase needing that instant gratification

final star
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hilarious

ebon notch
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its gonna do insane single target

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not surprising

junior aurora
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oh is this purely power tier list

ebon notch
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read the top category lmao

final star
signal badger
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lmfao max's face

silk bane
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lmfao

junior aurora
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Well it could still be a mix of feel and shit

rain mortar
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Well
Done by whispy

haughty flicker
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dude ripped lynched right out lmao

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max woke the fuck up

final star
silk bane
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LMFAO

final star
normal mist
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Whispyr talking about outlaw

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xD

stuck knoll
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I need a chat cover for max

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I can't make it go away

haughty flicker
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idk his chat is pretty based

junior aurora
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love the community hate boner for rogues lol

amber zodiac
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everyone is so mad lmao

runic hinge
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least played class and most hated

junior aurora
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shellshocked from level 10-19 warsong gulch circa 2004

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class rep has never recovered

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"what would you change about outlaw"

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"i would delete it"

runic hinge
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LMFAO

royal lantern
junior aurora
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i was waiting

final star
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I feel bad for Whispyr having to do all of them

junior aurora
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it would have been a banger quote

maiden sierra
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Whispyr has changed

royal lantern
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?

haughty flicker
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whispyr had to call in from work to talk about 6 hero tree/spec combinations

maiden sierra
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old whispyr would have said outlaw should be dead

royal lantern
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he is always that way when its somewhat serious lol

haughty flicker
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because nobody esle was avalaible or wanted to do it

shrewd night
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Acrobatic strikes

rain mortar
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Good job whispy

past forum
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Zac woulda got the ily in

signal badger
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Whispyr ❤️

normal mist
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i was actually expecting whispy to say "changes for outlaw? delete it"

north kiln
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GigaChad Whispyr

normal mist
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xD

final star
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He had the short end of the stick

bright trail
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delete coinflip with totem enhancer

final star
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but he did rank them just a bit too high

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trickster outlaw in low A is insanity

past forum
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Well there it is, set in stone on an objectively true and real tier list

final star
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the spec doesn't function

runic hinge
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he did great for having to do 6 trees on 2 specs he doesn't really play

raven egret
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Told you Max would wait and keep rogues for last and late in the evning

final star
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I do wish that Max gave a bit more notice so there could at least be some notes

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so the right information could be given

subtle tundra
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wait so fatebound buff is 10 sec duration out of combat? thats actually unplayable cause youll never have it up

haughty flicker
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15 but

junior aurora
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rip restealths pepe_smoke

haughty flicker
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that isnt really better

slate crown
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I think it's funny how much the dooming has been built up

lethal onyx
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good shit whispyr, brief mentioning of all the issues with rouge as fast as you could

slate crown
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when it's really, really, really not bad

final star
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cap

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cap

haughty flicker
slate crown
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there's just like 1-2 glaring problems

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per spec

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and then a gazillion bbugs

shrewd night
past forum
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Yeah idk who made up this dooming narrative

shrewd night
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Thats a CONTEXTLESS SCREENIE

junior aurora
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no context needed baby

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yoinked and twisted

silk bane
slate crown
#

fix the bugs, then the 1-2 design changes and we chillin, then it's just fine. not incredible mage tier but ok

haughty flicker
#

fatebound outlaw is low a not trickster

#

trickster is low b/high c

final star
#

the spec does not function

#

at all

#

as trickster

lethal onyx
final star
#

even without bugs

#

it's an offence

silk bane
#

i mean ranking is just w/e

#

like theres litearlly no way a single one of rogue trees can be higher than void weaver

final star
#

Yeah, it's a meme

normal mist
#

Whispyr cmon

silk bane
#

and that dude put voidweaver in beans

hearty reef
#

A bit too optimistic

junior aurora
subtle tundra
junior aurora
#

why do u think he mods RH assa channel

#

total m

balmy condor
#

1

#

1

#

1

#

1

#

1

sonic schooner
#

1

#

1

#

1

#

1

raven egret
#

oh my

sonic schooner
#

Ty whispyr for taking the time to talk about rogue RHlove

subtle tundra
#

well this fucking whisper guy didnt bring up kb being so polarizing

final star
#

@balmy condor how much notice did he give you

subtle tundra
#

but whatever

final star
raven egret
#

Thank you for your service

normal mist
# balmy condor 1

Amazing job buddy, you did a great talk, a lot more people now hate rogue even more, we will be played even less and we might go into TWW strong or stronger huehuehue

balmy condor
#

and then he didn't have anyone

final star
balmy condor
#

and I'm like I just got to work

#

I can just scuff it

final star
lethal onyx
#

u did good

final star
#

sacrificial lamb for rogue

raven egret
#

Max chat was already tired from the 10+ hours that list started, they had no patience for rogue talk

final star
#

you did good for assassination

bronze marsh
#

his chat also habitually licks windows

final star
restive falcon
#

now did whispyr sandbag

final star
#

It just plays like wank

past forum
#

The 1spec guests individually got almost the same time whispyr had for the whole class so it’s wild that people were rushing it

royal lantern
#

i mean, yeha

max asking whisp how the tree feel

he says it

and the chat brainlets going "WTF BUT IT DOES GIGA DMG?????????" is ussual twitch chat max IQ stuff

balmy condor
#

yeah I'm not too concerned about twitch chatters hating me

bronze marsh
#

oh no I missed tettles dooming, how sad

junior aurora
lethal onyx
#

blizzard is not going to look at the ranking, they are going to listen to the issues you mentioned to all 3 specs which you relayed very nice

junior aurora
#

boomkin is always in sky is falling mode no matter how much damage its doing

final star
#

they are dog shit in raid

#

and that's without question

#

in keys they slam

subtle tundra
final star
#

except it was

balmy condor
#

twitch chatters hate me pretty regularly on max's stream but I got the mental of steel ya know, might be 20 people in chat bitching about me, but there's 15k people watching so like is what it is ya know, hate me without knowing me is cringe, L twitch

subtle tundra
#

the voting didnt feel like it was?

#

atleast rogue didnt feel like it was

bronze marsh
#

considering they all wanted zerocool to give based takes on all of them

lethal onyx
subtle tundra
#

cause whispyr mentioned nothing about numbers and tuning

final star
#

It was about damage, feel, design and hero talent impact

royal lantern
slate crown
balmy condor
final star
#

wholistic PogU

raven egret
past forum
#

Can’t be any worse than randoms coming into this channel all the time arguing with you over things that you can unequivocally prove false

royal lantern
tired gull
#

How many holes is holistic

haughty flicker
#

max's reaction when whispyr came in and ripped out not wanting to get lynched was hilarious

final star
#

zerocool giving takes would be so silly

haughty flicker
#

made my day

final star
#

would be content though

normal mist
#

Half of the chat complaining the other half asking where JPC was

bronze marsh
#

lmao

final star
#

get me in for sub next time

bronze marsh
#

jpc stream when

final star
#

get guy in for outlaw

slate crown
final star
#

whispyr in for assa

#

let's go

#

then we can all complain as a unit

balmy condor
final star
#

They argue to feel better about themselves, I argue because I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago

past forum
#

I work in retail and I don’t even have the mental for that kinda shit

final star
#

We are not the same

balmy condor
#

is that not something I'm allowed to say

#

confusion

final star
#

you woke him up

bronze marsh
#

maybe he was scared lynched would get him demonitized

final star
#

after the assa talk

#

10 hours of meme tier list

bronze marsh
#

the algorithm

final star
#

with rogue being last

haughty flicker
#

yeah whispyr definitely killed the algorithm

final star
#

something I don't think he cares too much about really

haughty flicker
#

cant include that part in the video

final star
#

woke him up

bronze marsh
#

L Word drop

royal lantern
#

assa automatically SSS+ tier

bronze marsh
#

Fel Hammer

balmy condor
#

lynch is just like a normal ass word though

#

is it not

bronze marsh
#

right

balmy condor
#

I play that shit in scrabble

plucky quail
past forum
#

I mean calling a game design a “war crime” is probably not okay but it happens all the time

haughty flicker
#

it is a normal word, im surprised he reacted that way

#

but i understand why

slate crown
#

Also like

slate crown
#

I don't know about other specs very much

#

But if we could magically port knowledge of the other specs that were in beans

#

How much "non-functional" are they compared to what we know about rogue

balmy condor
#

I mean the tier list is a disaster

#

it's just there for something visual

slate crown
#

Yeah

haughty flicker
#

the tier list is just there as a meme and to have something on screen

slate crown
#

That's what I'm getting at, like there could easily be a spec that mirrors the state that we have here

#

and someone puts it in beans

haughty flicker
#

hes always very clear about that, but people still take it as gospel

tired gull
#

“Tier list” is just for engagement, the discussion is where the potential value comes from

balmy condor
#

there's been times where rogue went on near the front and I'm like idk assa in B? And then 5 hours later tettles shows up and he's like who's the dumbass that put assa in B, after everyone put their spec in random ass places

hearty reef
#

Tier lists are a meme, church. But my guild held a watch party for this

haughty flicker
#

at least now i know to reroll to arcane or frost

#

so im in bfd

slate crown
#

Like personally to me, and I don't speak for outlaw much sure, but rogue going into TWW is just disappointing, not a war crime, it's not unplayable, it's fine, it'll function, there are missed expectations, but it's not going to stop me playing

#

Numbers or design on any hero tro

#

tree

balmy condor
#

yeh the thing is, that's the vibe from like

slate crown
#

I can point to specific problems each has

plucky quail
balmy condor
#

90% of specs

bronze marsh
#

who did spriest, Publik?

final star
#

I'll play it

haughty flicker
#

yeah sorry bud shadow is c tier

final star
#

but I won't be happy about it

slate crown
#

But a lot of the specific hero tree glaring problems are like 2 seconds away from a solution

final star
plucky quail
#

Yeah that was it

royal lantern
# slate crown How much "non-functional" are they compared to what we know about rogue

stuff i know is:

oracle priest is kinda shit gameplay

hunter all 3 are just REALLY fucking broing cus they all do basically the same stuff just with a different name

voidweaver is funny enough not really that great for shadow priest, and archon is strong but really boring

slayer warrior is boring as hell and has no identity (basically the same thing all 3 rogue trees have in that regard tbh)

druid trees are all mid at best

scalecommander feels weird

bronze marsh
#

ah yeah he does that even when they're good lol

slate crown
#

(And the bugs, the bugs are bad, and should be fixed, obv)

royal lantern
#

like, thats stuff i picked up from guildmates

haughty flicker
#

oracle priest is shit for disc

#

its kinda sick for holy

#

you just spam heal yourself and overheal is directed to everyone

slate crown
#

Make Coup not gcd lock

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make KS not teleport you everywhere

#

Make lucky coin last 25 sec

#

let DN proc from 6+ CP

#

or whatever

digital sigil
#

Remove outlaw prayge

plucky quail
#

Someone sold their soul to keep KS around as a button this long

slate crown
#

Like, they're not "scrap the spec and redo it"

bronze marsh
#

I still have Dreadblades on my bars just bc

tired gull
#

Bring back combat

slate crown
#

(Not talking bugs just design, obviously there's a ton of bugs but that's a separate (and still important) discussion)

runic hinge
slate crown
#

I'm still considering that a bug copium

#

under my bug comment

digital sigil
#

Does anyone actually like using ER

tired gull
#

They should just make snd passive at this point

ivory kraken
#

is there an isolated enough target dummy somewhere that my shiv-cleave wont dot something else?

runic hinge
digital sigil
slate crown
ivory kraken
tired gull
#

Er would be cool if it added meaningful gameplay

digital sigil
#

It's better than sepsis at least

slate crown
haughty flicker
#

hes not here

#

we're safe

rain mortar
#

I’d like ER if it worked with deathstslker

final star
#

ER is fine

past forum
#

I would trade echoing for sepsis any day but I’d rather have both

digital sigil
#

I'll trade them for shadowlands flag sadge

haughty flicker
#

only covenant ability i ever had strong feelings about was er specifically for kyrian shadowdust outlaw

#

otherwise idc about them, if they're there i'll press them and not really feel anything inside

#

maybe meme a bit

digital sigil
#

Same

raven egret
#

I like ER more than CB, which is not exactly saying much at all

#

but eh

#

its something

past forum
#

I tried kyrian dust outlaw on dummies for a couple minutes and now I need wrist transplants

royal lantern
#

but nobody here is sane

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

^

#

7cp finisher when we have 7cp now is just

huh?

iron valve
#

I liked fleshcraft 🙃

tired gull
#

Make it 10 cp finisher

digital sigil
#

I press it every 45s and feel nothing WICKED

royal lantern
digital sigil
#

44 seconds

haughty flicker
#

infinite

#

huge stonks

#

you press rupture on a boss this week and its still there next reset

tired gull
#

Absolute Rupture

raven egret
broken ibex
#

I don’t mind it in ST, hate it in M+/AOE

plucky quail
#

Feels like all the class tree capstones need some love

digital sigil
#

4 point vanish sadge

balmy condor
digital sigil
#

So similar to what they did with expel harm on ww

raven egret
#

They did a ton of changes similar to what SBS had, passived embedded through other abilities

#

I dont mind those generally

silk bane
#

but like whats the point of that? is that something interesting? does that improve anyones gmaeplay experience? it either becomes something completly passive you react too, or at worst something extra you ened to track

balmy condor
#

yeah, so ER now

#

but better

silk bane
#

not really though

raven egret
#

I mean its not like we need ER to have a fun spec

spice spire
#

Maybe for you, but I need it for me, personally

balmy condor
#

need to be reprimanded in an echoing manner fr

raven egret
royal lantern
desert cove
digital sigil
balmy condor
pliant remnant
desert cove
balmy condor
# pliant remnant <:bla:1264689429424115795>

thats the face I make when I have near 0 time to prepare more than just a bullet point list of topics, spit all the problems with a spec, talk about both hero talents, highlight bugs, talk about what I want to see changed, and then put it on a tier list, and do that 3x in a row, and I only get 7 minutes per spec to do so

dark token
#

Or just remove ER

#

Crazy idea

haughty flicker
desert cove
balmy condor
#

give me azor's time slot I will yap forever

dark token
dark token
desert cove
#

their brains' function on a 1s time lapse

balmy condor
digital sigil
#

Outlaw players aren't rogue players so they don't count

desert cove
#

lmao

#

the 1.2s gcd lock would cripple them

pliant remnant
balmy condor
#

it would desync their brain dude

#

how would they be able to catch up

desert cove
#

every coup proc their brain lags back 0.2s

#

until they eventually fall into the void of time itself

balmy condor
desert cove
#

would be pretty pog tho

#

hate twitch chatters

balmy condor
#

every time I see mr bill dafoe

#

I'm terrified

hearty reef
#

I noticed the memelist has two mage specs in C Stare

pliant remnant
digital sigil
#

Mage is a hero class just put all the specs at the top

hearty reef
#

I forego all my criticism towards whuspyrs rankings as they all mean jack

restive falcon
#

zerocool gigachad 11hours and still running x2 vanish

desert cove
#

I'd say mage players don't want blizzard to know

#

but like

restive falcon
#

rip echo repairmand

desert cove
#

blizzard just writes essays of changes for mage

#

every time

#

and they're always buffs

balmy condor
desert cove
#

I think they got a handful of nerfs

balmy condor
digital sigil
#

Apparently every spec is A tier except balance druid Susge

restive falcon
#

im tired alright whispyr

restive falcon
#

ive been on wow and rdr2 all day swapping

#

i have an arcane mage in my disc rn telling me rogue s better than mage

haughty flicker
#

liquid gonna win rwf nice

restive falcon
#

i cba

haughty flicker
#

echo cant compete without their repair man

restive falcon
desert cove
restive falcon
#

i know

desert cove
#

I stg mages are actually the worst, they always refuse to accept that they are playing the best class in the game

raven egret
#

the Echoing Repairman is bis

balmy condor
desert cove
#

your repairs echo through time, nothing will break

digital sigil
#

LOL

restive falcon
desert cove
#

wtf does tettles even play lol

#

I've never heard of him playing a rogue that's for sure

hearty reef
digital sigil
#

Doomkin only

balmy condor
#

if you go near the front you get kekw'd 5 hours later cause your placement makes no sense

restive falcon
#

just be tettles jr

balmy condor
#

if you go near the end you get kekw'd for conforming to whatever blob everyone else made

desert cove
digital sigil
#

Should've put rogue right below balance druid for the meme

vast pond
#

Did we have raid testing after all the rogue aura and ability buffs?

balmy condor
#

no

restive falcon
desert cove
#

TRUE

balmy condor
#

the fuck does BFD even stand for

restive falcon
#

i was gonna do feral/bear as my main alt but i wanna learn mage but ranged is cringe

#

didnt read the list

desert cove
#

Big fing damage

restive falcon
balmy condor
restive falcon
#

no wonder we werent in BFD

desert cove
#

listen idk how cool we are with swearing so I kept it pg13

digital sigil
#

That's not Blackfathom Deeps HUH

desert cove
#

I don't want to burn my 1 F bomb yet

restive falcon
#

i wanna unironically play fatebound but its just so cringe

#

shouldve been poision master class with vials

haughty flicker
digital sigil
#

Flip a coin every day to decide what hero tree to play

#

Lean into the rng

balmy condor
#

dude this was the timeline okay:
max at noon: hey you got time later for tier list chat?
me: no time today
max: 🦗

me go do my irl things, open stream and see no rogue
me at 5pm: hey did you find a rogue guy I just got to work
max: don't have a guy, can call
me: okay pullin up the laptop
max: ok

and that was all the planning that went into it

desert cove
balmy condor
#

you can't blame me

ivory kraken
#

given how messy sub sounded on the podcast thingy - should we bother learning it as a 2nd spec (might see changes soon? (???)) or just go for outlaw

signal sinew
#

hey guys i'm a returning player from BFA, and i'm struggling a lil bit with Shiv (toxic blade) and thristle tea... should i press on cd or wait for cds to align?

balmy condor
#

for not knowing what BFD is

haughty flicker
restive falcon
vast pond
balmy condor
#

I just think it sucks so bad

ivory kraken
#

hmm I see

restive falcon
#

its okay sin is the meta

balmy condor
restive falcon
balmy condor
#

double team

ivory kraken
#

metas change I like learning classes entirely

balmy condor
#

maybe twitch chat would like me more if I put the grill on the mic ya know

#

group gooning

floral granite
#

can someone help me understand what I was doing wrong in this raid through logs?

restive falcon
#

im gonna goon

ivory kraken
#

thanks!

digital sigil
#

I'll goon when they remove SnD next expansion

floral granite
#

like absolute trash dps

digital sigil
hearty reef
#

Anton chigurh ass lookin spec

ivory kraken
#

any gooners

restive falcon
#

SnD grew on me

#

i dont mind it anymore, its jsut auto pilot now

desert cove
#

I'll goon when they actually give rogue real changes

floral granite
desert cove
#

see you fellow gooners next xpac ig

balmy condor
#

wait this is from november

#

what the hell lmao

restive falcon
severe sparrow
desert cove
#

lmao

restive falcon
desert cove
#

whispyr got sniped

hearty reef
floral granite
balmy condor
#

this sucks

desert cove
#

that's what you get for being a nice person

balmy condor
#

shiv gotta be at the front of deathmark

digital sigil
#

What a gamer

balmy condor
#

slice and dice gotta be up before deathmark

desert cove
#

tea b4 kb btw

balmy condor
#

not having an on-use hurts a ton

#

yeah the tea is wrong too but that's a minor gripe

#

you.... never cast vanish

hearty reef
#

No enve fir like first 2 ticks of kb?

balmy condor
#

that's a problem

#

wait you also never cast shadow dance

#

that's a problem too

severe sparrow
#

lol

haughty flicker
#

he was ahead of his time

hearty reef
#

Huge problem

balmy condor
#

wait you also never cast shiv

#

okay

#

number 1 fix

floral granite
#

XD

balmy condor
#

press buttons

supple rapids
#

In AoE when your dots run out after the stealth opener, do you manually apply to all targets or is there a way to keep them up?

balmy condor
#

you cast 2 shivs in 4:30

supple rapids
#

Ouch.

desert cove
#

imagine rogue having an automatic way to keep debuffs up

#

lmao

#

sorry but this is a real man's spec, you gotta do that shit manually

balmy condor
#

imagine removing half of the specs rotation

restive falcon
#

🧢

#

sin is hard

balmy condor
#

what if the dot spec just.... didn't have to cast dots

floral granite
#

To be fair that was my first time playing a rouge ever xd

desert cove
hearty reef
#

Yeah

balmy condor
#

you just straight up forgot that half your cds existed

#

not toxic or anything

#

that's just what happend

restive falcon
floral granite
balmy condor
#

I mean you pressed shiv in your opener

#

you just never pressed it after that

#

oh you also didn't have tier

#

holy

severe sparrow
balmy condor
#

I keep looking and it just goes deeper

hearty reef
#

I remember the first times i asked advice in here for sin (it was late sanctum) whispyr never said "not toxic or anything" Sadge

restive falcon
#

he was new!!!

digital sigil
floral granite
#

Yeah couldn't have tier then since I lvl boosted the rogue right before raid almost xd

balmy condor
#

decent amount of overcapped combo points

#

but yeh

#

press cooldowns and you'd do significantly better

#

base rotation was kinda fine

restive falcon
#

for day 1 lil gupper, u did great hugg

severe sparrow
#

whenever ive asked the feedback is usually something i knew i should be doing but i just suck at it and then i wanna die inside

#

lol

floral granite
restive falcon
#

sometimes i know the answer i just want whispyr to reassure me Sadge

severe sparrow
#

it's ok though im not the thing holding my guild back from prog so copium

balmy condor
floral granite
balmy condor
#

np

floral granite
restive falcon
balmy condor
#

click my face and go to my profile

digital sigil
#

Plug Pog

hearty reef
restive falcon
#

self-promo

balmy condor
#

mods?

#

ban him?

restive falcon
digital sigil
restive falcon
floral granite
restive falcon
#

can i p2w to get tww rn

#

i just wanna level my characters already

desert cove
#

mods get him

floral granite
restive falcon
desert cove
restive falcon
balmy condor
#

based on those logs

#

would look at the cooldown ones

restive falcon
#

i pay nitro for the emotes

balmy condor
#

but kinda hard to tell

#

cause you were new to the spec and just forgot

#

so maybe if you don't forget, you wouldn't need those

floral granite
balmy condor
#

is it also from november