assassination

[shy dust]

They’re just informing you of a topic that continually gets brought up

[waxen oyster]

Tbh i wonder what would be like

The most objectively bad and cursed sin build

[shy dust]

Near GCD locked Assa from 8.3

[waxen oyster]

Corrupted season?

[thorn fjord]

No DM build

[shy dust]

Yeah

You were outlaw light

Just spamming mutilate

With 80% haste or whatever it was

[vapid terrace]

And theorycrafters are looking for highest theoretical dmg whereas zero is looking for highest real dmg in X situations.

[subtle tundra]

😭 😭 😭

[normal mist]

Yeah fuck theorycrafters Ronkley

they don't play the game

[stuck knoll]

I’m getting food

[waxen oyster]

Sometimes I wish

seli still did keys seriously

[runic hinge]

it cannot be more damage when it's a dps loss talent and you're only getting 1.5 more vanishes a dungeon by holding

[subtle tundra]

please fucking nerf assa into the ground my head will explode

[vapid terrace]

All I'm saying is I would at least consider why zero is trying XYZ instead of using theorycrafters info as the only way to play

[regal bluff]

I need to get used to using ER, last week my damage was shit while raiding with guildies

[shy dust]

No one says it’s the only way to play

[subtle tundra]

man i hope caustic gets NUKED like from 35% make it 15%

[subtle tundra]

theres like 5 different builds assa can go

[runic hinge]

why did zero press KB before dance the entire first two weeks of s3? was it a giga brain dps loss by him or i should just follow what he does cause hes got io

[royal lantern]

he doesnt

[subtle tundra]

fucking push assa into the grave make outlaw/sub the m+ kings

[royal lantern]

he just plays w/e he wants, and people parrot him lol

[normal mist]

Zero is a gamer, spends his day pushing, he's alright. But one thing to keep in mind is that he plays with pushing teams that mostly play around HIM, wereas most of us pug with randoms that won't give a crap if they external us rogues or not

[thorn fjord]

Dude is cracked

We ain’t

[idle radish]

so why am i talenting into ER doesnt assa class leads know that ER is a KIR talent only?

[runic hinge]

reported

[normal mist]

dang

[earnest remnant]

[bronze marsh]

hon hon hon

[idle radish]

lmk if guys need anymore feedback ty!

[normal mist]

thanks man

[thorn fjord]

Why does it burn when I pee?

[idle radish]

got u @normal mist

[shy dust]

Why does outlaw exist

[royal lantern]

because blizzard are idiots

[waxen oyster]

Why does naruto fanboy exist

[royal lantern]

[tough gorge]

I kinda like ER, was weird getting use to it again at first, but I realized it accelerates the opener, and combo points are quitw uniqje to rogue, so its a fun gimmick

[waxen oyster]

I mean

modern sub rogue

AHEM

[thorn fjord]

Sub is the play

Guy said so

[waxen oyster]

Sub otps naruto run IRL

[idle radish]

sin rogues be like let me dot u up and run away! im so scared!!! outlaw rogues be in there thats why

[shy dust]

Sub OTPs are pretty rare

[waxen oyster]

I mean the real question

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[thorn fjord]

Lmao

[idle radish]

i liked it dont worry

[waxen oyster]

Is why does aug still exist

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/you-didnt-say-the-magic-word-ah-ah-nope-wagging-finger-gif-17646607

[shy dust]

Isn’t it outlaw that’s throwing a collective tantrum over having to play in standard melee range

[idle radish]

yes thats us why

[subtle tundra]

And we have to explain why losing 5% dps for a second vanish is NOT the play

[spring stream]

outlaw is like arrr look at my pirate ma'e!

[drifting cloud]

whats 5% when your name is varas, its just to even the playing field

[idle radish]

i will say (off topic i know) if blade flurry didnt work the way it does the acro complaint wouldnt be as warranted

but im biased....

and yellow name....

[runic hinge]

nerf blade flurry

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt want to make others look bad

[waxen oyster]

Delete aug

[grim jay]

bro we did that

and we said why its shit

[royal lantern]

instead of giving real critic about stuff they just drown it all out with REEEEE I HAVE THE SAME RANGE AS A WARRIOR MY SPEC IS UNPLAYABLE NOW!!!1111!!!!

[vestal wren]

acro is a big qol change, a lot of people consider melee not relevant anymore for them because of the lost quality

[thorn fjord]

Why they massacre our boy Acro 😦

it aint fair

[strange python]

Yet ret is still standing 25 to 40 yards away?

[idle radish]

do you think its wrong to say that outlaw suffers the most from it? very curious as you arent an outlaw die hard

[strange python]

We can't have a little qol so we're not under the mobs?

[thorn fjord]

Why would they suffer more?

[strange python]

Obviuosly outlaw suffers the most from it cause it reduced their blade fury range too

[subtle kiln]

Outlaw projecting.

[vestal wren]

no, but i also don't think its a good discussion

[subtle tundra]

im ok with normal range, but not when melee is overloaded with mechanics that make it bad

[grim jay]

they got BF range buffed

[thorn fjord]

krill issue

[subtle tundra]

thats for sure

[idle radish]

there are a lot of write ups about it on the forums that better say it than i would

[vestal wren]

outlaw and any gcd capped spec wants high uptime fights

[formal ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vestal wren]

specs with gcd want high uptime

deathstalker, with a lot of power in auto attacks

wants high uptime

[strange python]

I mean removing acro feels like going back in time i'll say that

[vestal wren]

there is no winner to losing acro and it does not matter what spec is marginally better/worse off

[strange python]

There's so much more bs that melee have to deal with than ranged - perfect example is have a bad tank with weird pathing on RLP first boss.

[idle radish]

i agree with this for the most part

[velvet ridge]

Why can't I just throw my garrote wires at the enemy 15 yrd range

[earnest remnant]

last raid of the expansion over o7 DF, you wont be missed

[grim jay]

just buy longer wires

[vestal wren]

nicu

[clever sapphire]

can relate

but i didnt even raid the last 2 weeks

[thorn fjord]

AMEN

Tonight is our last night

[shy dust]

Was it a bad expansion?

It seemed to start off well with the first tier

[earnest remnant]

shadowdust sub ruined it

[waxen oyster]

I mean aberrus was the only terrible raid.

[shy dust]

Ready for another tier of dust then friend

[subtle tundra]

im blaming the TCs for figuring it out

[earnest remnant]

yeh but this time it plays alot more streamlined

[subtle kiln]

90 second dust is fine, way better than hold shit for 2 minutes db

[royal lantern]

L take

raid with the least amount of pure BS fights

[waxen oyster]

so voti

[stuck knoll]

nah if you think Aberrus is good I'm sorry you're just wrong

[royal lantern]

better then amidrasil for sure

[grand trail]

if it wasnt for zskarn

would be alright

[earnest remnant]

amir was by far the best raid

lol

[spice surge]

For prog ye

But farm kinda sucked

[idle radish]

aberrus had zskarn, forgotten experiments, echo

[stuck knoll]

[earnest remnant]

im brain afk on farm dont care about that

[stuck knoll]

Aberrus farm was still worse I think

[earnest remnant]

anything aberrus was bad

[stuck knoll]

Amir > Vault > Aberrus

[vestal wren]

think most guilds never reached farm status ^^

[royal lantern]

first half of amidrasill is literally afk bosses, and then the last 2 are headache

[earnest remnant]

Amir was pog
Vault was aite
Aberrus was waaaaaaaaaay to easy

[stuck knoll]

As opposed to such incredible fights as Kazzara Amalgam and Assault

Rashok only good boss

rest stinky

[earnest remnant]

Sark was the biggest letdown of an endboss ever

[stuck knoll]

Even by a design he didn't feel like a big scary endboss

[earnest remnant]

felt like that entire fight missed 1 phase

[stuck knoll]

Bro was legit just a lemon yellow dragonboy

[earnest remnant]

Only remotely redeeming fight was week 1 / 2 Rashok

rest was poop

[stuck knoll]

When Rashok was still a tight check and you had to play just right to kill before last stomp

[blazing jewel]

Especially when the not going down strat got popular

Just ignoring a core mechanic of p3 for the vast majority of guilds

[earnest remnant]

Tuning was also like spot on for amirdrassil

Was very noice

[blazing jewel]

Except for prenerf tindral

That was not good

[stuck knoll]

Which nerf

[blazing jewel]

The one before the 3 orb thing

Like extended seed times etc

[earnest remnant]

Nah. Was good

Got gud

Git *

[stuck knoll]

Wasn't taht also the one where they removed double soaks

[earnest remnant]

Nah that was later

[stuck knoll]

hmm

[blazing jewel]

I remember I set my WA to be the loudest meow possible when I stepped on one lmfao

[earnest remnant]

The first one they just increased the timer by 2 sec

[stuck knoll]

I'm still shocked how good my guild did before they removed double soak

cuz like

we sucked

[runic hinge]

skill issue

[stuck knoll]

but for whatever reason

[blazing jewel]

[stuck knoll]

actually progged Tindral well

after we removed the guy who would legit just suicide from tilt

and say it was BS

[royal lantern]

???

wasnt tindral 1 of the most nerfed bosses in a LONG time

lol

[blazing jewel]

Oh and they changed how the feathers worked 1000 times

That was ass lol

[stuck knoll]

Wasn't it just once

[runic hinge]

I remember oxi getting super tilted by feather changes

[royal lantern]

(speaking about tindral, we just wiped because 7 people got a "not enough memory" error mid flight against him )

[blazing jewel]

@earnest remnant your secret play of taking db so you can cloak to grab the feather that always spawns in fire

[blazing jewel]

No for a day it was a + pattern and still only 4

So it would always spawn one in the fire it was a disaster

Got fixed to be 6 shortly after

[stuck knoll]

Oh

Yeah I do remember that actually

I think we had like a singular raid with 4 feathers

and we hardly saw them

[earnest remnant]

I was ahead of the time

[blazing jewel]

What other good tindral tech did we come up with during the meaningless 200 pulls

I never tried the Midas mid flight tech

[earnest remnant]

Nerfs doesn’t really indicate of the boss is tuned well or not. Just look back on anduin or the jailer

[royal lantern]

when a boss had to go trought so many actually bigger changes on how the fight functions, i somewhat cant really call it a well desinged fight

[earnest remnant]

Pre nerfs tindral is the most fun boss I’ve progged

Sad it got ruined

Also not sure id call the nerfs they did to tindral changes in function. They just made it more forgiving

[shy dust]

Pre nerf Halandrous was BiS

[earnest remnant]

FACTS

Don’t know what it is about mythic raiders that just wants easier bosses. I don’t get that

Mythic should be hard

[shy dust]

Sitting in a call with your partner

Vibing along

Randomly having raid wipe

[earnest remnant]

Yes dude

We had a singing party me and my partner

[hearty reef]

Cuz its not solo

[shy dust]

Hawk and me were vibing

Watching winning terrorize the raid

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure

[stuck knoll]

[waxen oyster]

before halondrus our ret like

explicitly said he refused to pair with our warrior

for bombs

[royal lantern]

we had that discussion once ok

lol

like, sorry stealthi, but you are in a bubble that is FAR removed from reality

[stuck knoll]

Nah I agree with Stealthi tbh

It's just weird to me right

[earnest remnant]

people needs to stop being wuss

[stuck knoll]

cuz people perma whine about difficulty

but then there's shit like "Nymue and Larry and Smolderon were too easy"

like

idk

Is that not the difficult you want

[earnest remnant]

smolderon week 2

fucked

was a good boss

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen "mythic should be hard" and "tindal/halondrus should have never been nerfed, just gIt GuT(if you use that one, you opinion is allready invalid by default btw)"

[stuck knoll]

I mean I don't think they shouldn't have been nerfed

But I think there was a point where the boss was fine

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

[stuck knoll]

and they continued nerfing

because of community perception

[earnest remnant]

when the hardest content difficulty in the game becomes lfr raid bosses

[waxen oyster]

Like

did halondrus need a nerf

after the initial gutting?

no

[earnest remnant]

after the nerfed bombs so you could soak with them

the boss was doable

for alot

[drifting cloud]

yeah doable for 500 guilds

[waxen oyster]

I don't understand the issue with wall bosses

[drifting cloud]

rest would go crazy and he was like the 6th boss

or whatever

[waxen oyster]

Does every guild need to be able to obtain CE?

[red wolf]

think part of it is how heroic is just ultra easy

[royal lantern]

i mean

if you want mythic raiding to die by suddenly cutting the amount of guilds that can do mythic in 1/3, sure

but like

then you kill mythic as a mode in 2 tiers lol

[waxen oyster]

I mean that's partly blizz's fault

[red wolf]

There's a difficulty folks are looking for between heroic and mythic which ends up being 6/9mythic which feels kind of bad I think

[waxen oyster]

for setting up the expectation every guild should be able to fullclear the raid

[oblique jackal]

Realistically.. the demo graphic for mythic raiding is super limited

[royal lantern]

if a guild that could get CE in every single tier suddenly is perma stuck on the 6th boss cus its overtuned and some people with no self esteem that must stroke their ego over a videogame repeat all the time "dont nerf, they dont deserve it xdddd"

its not blizz fault if they nerf it

its some people needing a reality check lol

[oblique jackal]

^ it’s just a game

[royal lantern]

cus again, if you suddenly cut of 2/3rds of the mythic playerbase, you literally kill the reamining people AND in the long term the rest aswell, cus you run out of fresh blood that replaces people

[thorn fjord]

how do we get more zoomers to play the game

[earnest remnant]

tbh. my fun > others fun

[shy dust]

My fun is derived from seeing others having less fun

So keep raid hard

[earnest remnant]

hate watching after tier is over

[red wolf]

[royal lantern]

ands thats why stealthi cant be taken serious about raid difficulty talk

[earnest remnant]

is my fav past time

[shy dust]

Praying on my enemies downfall

[earnest remnant]

yep

[thorn fjord]

We're all friends here tho

No enemies

[void mesa]

pirates are the enemies

but sin are friends

[royal lantern]

no

boomkins

[void mesa]

i dont even think about the chickens

buncha weirdos

[crisp stream]

thats the problem
my fun > others fun

[thorn fjord]

Aug are the enemies

[hollow stone]

aug got sin nerfed in s3 too, definitely the enemy

[thorn fjord]

Those lizard fucks cant be trusted

[crisp stream]

imagine augs get inflated and look like boomkins in future expansions

[hollow stone]

after they EAT WELL for an xpac or two they are bound to put on some weight

[crisp stream]

should end up not being able to fly to another platform

huhuuhu

[grand trail]

they need to nerf raid at some point, guild are disbanding and players leaving game when guild cant achieve what they are use to achiev

[thorn fjord]

huh

[hollow stone]

they have that debuff thing this tier, I assume that's part of their attempt to fix that?

psure they are doing stuff to address that

maybe Im just a fanboi

[crisp stream]

debuff thing gonna work in mythic ?

[grand trail]

yes

[crisp stream]

damn, mythic new late tier lfr?

sadge

[thorn fjord]

That dont make any sense

[crisp stream]

some modes are meant to be hard and some not. so why apply that buff in mythic?

when its the hardest mode of raiding

[grand trail]

known guilds were disbanding over tindral

[royal lantern]

is that a stealthi troll alt

[thorn fjord]

[grand trail]

im fine personally that they let HOF fill up and do some major nerfs after

[thorn fjord]

It felt good killing swift after 500 pulls lol

[hollow stone]

felt great

then you started fyrakk prog

[grand trail]

yeah i dont mind this kind of progress at all

but its maybe too much for wr 500 guild

[thorn fjord]

We ended shy of 500

barely made it

Shy as in high 400's

but tbh our group isnt amazing

But we get the damn thing done 💪

[hollow stone]

personally have thought raid tuning has been "pretty good" since like... nyalotha

[waxen oyster]

I need my blason content

[hollow stone]

some obvious one-off exceptions (looking at you spiderman) but mostly pretty good tuning

[waxen oyster]

I don't enjoy how they feel the need to still nerf 2-3x

[bronze pike]

mythic difficulty needs to be more consistent

[waxen oyster]

after gutting a boss

[bronze pike]

cause smolderon was nice warly mythic

but then it jumps to tindrel and thats fucked

the gap was way to big between the two bosses. that being said

mythic should be hard

[hollow stone]

yea, I think tswift was likely another exception

[weak isle]

Taylor swift?

[hollow stone]

yea, she was a large fire druid, muchhard

[weak isle]

[shy dust]

Sepulcher was pretty good

[royal lantern]

reminder that 500 is still in the upper 1/3rd of raidteams

[thorn fjord]

Max interviewing a dev in a bit

[royal lantern]

[shy dust]

The combined 700 pulls between 3 bosses was a bit wild sir

[hollow stone]

I think the reason for this was partially because we hit our player power cap so early, so they essentially had to do that or ppl in slower guilds just wouldnt have killed the bosses

[thorn fjord]

Does that mean I dont suck?

[grand trail]

sure thats why i think its fair they tune bosses so they can kill it

[thorn fjord]

Because I really doubt it

[hollow stone]

I had quit the game leading up to sofo and came back FOR IT because it was such a good and hard raid

[royal lantern]

you dont suck if you do mythic at all lol

500 is literally 1 of the better ones if you do normal 3day raiding

[waxen oyster]

Like amirdrassil balancing was beyond out of wack

[shy dust]

It was my favorite tier but exhausting beyond belief

[waxen oyster]

Almost all the difficulty was the final 2 bosses.

[thorn fjord]

Swift was unforgiving... But after the initital nerfs i think it was a pretty fair fight

Just had to be on point

[bronze pike]

fyrakk was fine

[grand trail]

smolderon was kinda dps check first week withnout gear

[bronze pike]

tswift just burnt everyone out

[kindred breach]

Lmao we got 460 pulls on him what a mess

[royal lantern]

the jumps where in general just fucked

like, again, everything up to smoldy was somewhat of a pushover with the exception of maybe larodat/nymue a bit

then smoldy was a big jump

[waxen oyster]

I think raszagath with at least one intermission cut would have been a good boss

[royal lantern]

and then tindral/fyrakk where a gigantic jump

there was no curve lol

[bronze pike]

yep

[strange python]

Do you know when aprox, was gonna watch that

[bronze pike]

mythic shoudl be hard, but it needs to have a more clear difficulty curve

[waxen oyster]

Larodar wasn't really a jump imo

[hollow stone]

definitely

[waxen oyster]

More like what an early mythic boss should be

[hollow stone]

easier said than done, of course

[waxen oyster]

Council was just

[coral vale]

anyone else randomly getting pulled out of stealth sometimes? idk if im tweaking or what

[waxen oyster]

a bad boss

[shy dust]

Well the fact shadow priests was like useless on the fight was kinda a low blow

[waxen oyster]

Priest players

asking for taxi service

has kind of been the df trend

[normal mist]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[runic hinge]

They love their kickback mechanics lately

[coral vale]

bruh so im not crazy,. ty

[normal mist]

unfortunately there's way too much stuff doing it

[blazing plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzR41xuUXcU

[royal lantern]

ofc, its a council

[waxen oyster]

Has blizzard designed a council boss that wasn't terrible.

[bronze marsh]

SASHAY LEFT

BOOGIE DOWN

[chilly herald]

Primal Council wasn't that bad for the 2nd boss tier

Lords of Dread, if it counts

[waxen oyster]

Oh hell no

Lords of Dread gives me ptsd

with terrorist ranged dps

[runic hinge]

I just tried to kill our gm every paranoia

I also don’t think I lived that whole fight more than twice

I doubt it’s related

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

you can say boomkins

and ye, i kinda agree

council of blood was kinda ok cus it atleast had a funny theme

[waxen oyster]

Boomkins especially.

[idle radish]

laugh at yellow for asking maybe dumb question but if you track IC can that act as a pseudo tracker for improved garrotes?

[past forum]

that or visa versa would work

like, i dont track IC cause i already track improved garrote

[idle radish]

but i guess if in ST you wont even have IC so maybe better to just track improved garrote eh?

[past forum]

yeah that was my thought process

[royal lantern]

ye

[potent raven]

yupp

[sonic lotus]

What should be the first gcd after coldblood?

a spender?

[balmy condor]

ideally envenom but you would only ever play cold blood with inevitability talented so it's kinda whatever

[sonic lotus]

Ah, was trying it out on prepatch. So i should play ER?

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah

[sonic lotus]

I figured that i shouldn't be spamming buttons like mutilate and Evnenom, i keep running out of energy.
Should i be waiting to go above 50% energy to Envenom or is it smt else? 😄

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[sonic lotus]

We are chaining Envenom in aoe right?

[normal mist]

as soon as you applied dots and caustic, yes

[runic hinge]

In aoe you’ll have a lot of energy too so you can just spam

If you run low on energy put out more bleeds

[sonic lotus]

I'm also a bit confused on how many targets i should put my bleeds on aside from the 4 that we get from first stealth

[normal mist]

you can get like 12 bleeds out or more

once you leave stealth

[sonic lotus]

how so

[normal mist]

IC talent

[sonic lotus]

oh right, i thought it spreads 2 each time

[stuck knoll]

It's also a smart application

so you don't need to try and min max it

with swapping targets

it'll auto put it on people with no bleeds if they're available

[normal mist]

you can and in some situations you can just tab target to a non bleed target

[tropic cedar]

does it eat the bleed on your main target, or will it spread all 3 if your main target is already bleeding?

[tropic cedar]

nvm this answers my q

[stuck knoll]

Ye it does eat it

[normal mist]

if you garrote the same target 3 times, it goes 3-2-2

[tropic cedar]

bet thats what i thought ty

[normal mist]

so if you have like 6 targets, you can "min-max" and garrote once and then tab target or mouseover to a non Garr target and cast garr on him so all 6 targets get bleeded

otherwise you'd have 5 garrotes instead of 6

But the most important part is having ruptures spread and rolling

so you can take max value from Scent of Blood

[rotund jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duitt_1audA gingi want us to get the nerfs, with this titel xD

[bronze marsh]

oh no

[normal mist]

Time to reroll guys

[bronze marsh]

actually deleting

does he also link that sim spreadsheet in the video

[vestal wren]

assassiantion is currently rly good on beta and m+ is the only content you can do

[runic hinge]

I don’t care if we get nerfed. I didn’t do ashran for two weeks to not play deathstalker assa

[idle radish]

guys can i track spatter debuff without having my enemy with debuff targetted

[vestal wren]

so it makes sense to point out how strong/weak a spec is in that content

[bronze marsh]

you should be able to use a Nameplate trigger or something like that

[tropic cedar]

i know luxthos' pack does this by default

will show caustic greyed out if your current target doesn't have it but still shows the duration remaining

[subtle tundra]

well assa WILL get nerfed

[bronze marsh]

I have a wl one for havoc that you can repurpose but I won't be home for a while

[subtle tundra]

hoping we dont is just pointless

[vestal wren]

at least bugfixed

[idle radish]

boom ty

[violet berry]

When you enter a pack are you swapping targets to spread garrots and ruptures or just relying on indiscriminate to spread them for you

[normal mist]

You can do both

[violet berry]

Ok

Seems like a lot

[normal mist]

manually selecting targets is more min-max

[violet berry]

Ok cool that’s what I wanted to know

[normal mist]

If you garrote the same target 3 times, you'll spread 3 + 2 + 2 garrotes

if you manually do it, you can spread 3 + 3 + 3

[sonic lotus]

Do we care about Crimson tempest on ST?

[normal mist]

Negative

[coarse shuttle]

yes, i have the same problem, and vanish doesn't put me in stealth mode either, i automatically went back to non-stealth 3 sec after vanishing... bug wtf ?

[past forum]

pressing twice each on the same target will get you 5 garrotes and 5 ruptures, which should be plenty of energy economy and max stacks of scent so it's not terrible if you're more comfortable with that

[spice surge]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[coarse shuttle]

I tried when Im alone in Dragonblith with no ennemy around xD

its definitely not normal

only way around I could find is to vanish then stealth

[normal mist]

Do you have sarka cloak?

[coarse shuttle]

omfg its part of the list Eleem linked

indeed i have that crap wtf i only got the behaviour today after 3 days of BG with no problem

thanks

[hard ocean]

"misterweaver" lol I love it

[normal mist]

Its a special man, he does cause some bugs

[gloomy otter]

hey guys , are there any "must have" weakauras for assa rog?

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

You have some well know ones listed above

[gloomy otter]

huge , thanks

[wispy pewter]

Whispyr u back? How u feeling?

[gloomy otter]

why is my game laggin so hard if i import a plater profile?

im getting lua error

[royal lantern]

we just had a kinda big patch for going into the next expansion

so yeha, quiet a few addons and stuff will be borked for a couple days

[fluid kindle]

Are these bugs or working as intended?

[normal mist]

bugs

[fluid kindle]

Ugh

[limber lion]

Or just bad game design

And simply just not something the devs thought about when making them

Or well, not necessarily "bad game design", but more so a pretty niche thing that the QA failed to spot

[royal lantern]

im sure the MW one is fixed btw

atleast didnt got kicked out by our MW healing me with statue

[vivid seal]

how important is it to spread garrots and ruptures manually to 4-5 if we dont have vanish or stealth up and the pack is gonna live for a while

[balmy condor]

very

[vivid seal]

kk

[hoary kayak]

Hey
At what target count is fan of knives better than mutitalte?

[hoary kayak]

Thanks! where did you find that?

[balmy condor]

the pins

[hoary kayak]

Ah smart! Thanks! Im hunter main, so the bm brain is in action 😛

[balmy condor]

all good :P

[raven egret]

Parked in dalaran, ready to go, CT will carry me to lvl 80

[raven egret]

I had to call out my MW on tindral prog, he'd build his stacks or w/e occasionally popping me out during the timer

[strange python]

anyone like to macro thistle tea to any burst CDs or is that just bad?

[raven egret]

you dont want to use tea when you would waste energy, so while you can use it with shiv going into kingsbane, dont macro it

that would more often than not overcap you on energy

[indigo epoch]

Would not macro tea.

[limber lion]

Do not.

[velvet cloak]

our hero talents are so boring lol

[balmy condor]

be like that

deathstalker adds a little bit of gameplay but neither one of them is really all that interesting and has 0 visuals

[velvet cloak]

like assa does so much dmg though but i never notice my hero talents are even doing anything lol

[runic hinge]

Coin

[raven egret]

It do be flippin

[manic coral]

yo

how come improved ambush is better then tight spender atm

[past forum]

Apparently your party can see the purple X above the marked target

[balmy condor]

extra cp > energy saved

[raven egret]

yes I'm sure they'll notice me senpai

[cerulean nest]

if you zoom into first person you can see the coins flipping

pretty worth

[floral walrus]

sry, basic question, instant or deadly poison for pve?

[runic hinge]

Deadly

[chilly herald]

I suggest to actually read every single talent. I'm mage main and played 2 seasons of DF not knowing nor noticing that Alter Time resets Blink cooldown

Assa's big aoe talent relies on deadly poison

[twin spoke]

hey guys what you think of assa on st

[cerulean nest]

its cool

[normal mist]

its cool

[runic hinge]

You’re cool

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/rvc-library-our-patrons-are-awesome-keanu-reeves-youre-breathtaking-gif-15640138

[dense cloud]

how tf am I supposed to survive some shit if I cannot farm back evasion?

its so aids

[normal mist]

?

we're not tanks tho

[fluid glade]

with bait and switch you can still have dr for dots/non aoe assuming you taking cheat, also if you wanna play elusiveness you would jsut feint anyways

[mighty ginkgo]

whys the pinned message saying about buffs, how we will use it but then proceeds to say no clue why, is this just a doomer discord or

[normal mist]

Because the buffs received made no sense

[mighty ginkgo]

i see

[normal mist]

Hence why whispyr have no idea why those specific spells were buffed

Instead of bug fixes

[mighty ginkgo]

i hear assassination is only the best spec out of the 3 is that true or

[deep arch]

Hey i just checked out fatebound on the beta, I pressed Cold Blood but it didn't seem to go on CD, neither my weakaura pack nor the default blizzard bars show it being on CD, but it still shows up as an active. What's the deal with this, am I just overseeing something?

[subtle tundra]

have you used an ability to consume it?

[deep arch]

aye, even when clicking off the aura

like it's "on cd" because it's not letting me press it again

but it's not showing as if it was on cd

[spice surge]

Well you still have it up

[mighty ginkgo]

[spice surge]

Assuming youve specced into it in the fatebound tree you have to use 2 envenoms for it to go on cd

[spice surge]

Are you using a macro

[deep arch]

nop

[spice surge]

To show the tooltip

[deep arch]

I am not

[spice surge]

Theres a bug with it confusing the different spell IDs

Dont remember the fix for it, you could possibly try to search this channel for it

But maybe try reloading/relogging or pulling the spell from the spellbook/talent tree again

Because the tooltip thinks you still have the "basic" cold blood version, not the fatebound one

[hasty moat]

Guys, tell me which wrists would be better to make?

Needlessly Complex Wristguards or Life-Bound Bindings ?

[runic hinge]

Whichever is cheaper

Expansion is over in a week

Could be better to just wait to get some new ones leveling up

[hasty moat]

I understood this, now I want to make it enjoyable for myself to play

Blue Silken Lining I put them in my boots, how many of these can I put in things?

[normal mist]

2

2 embelishments is all you can have

[hasty moat]

So I can also insert it into my wrist?

[normal mist]

if the wrists are the lifebound yes

[past forum]

Not the complex ones tho

[hasty moat]

Royal, thank you

[past forum]

If you want to use engi bracers then probably life-bound belt for your 2nd blue silken

[normal mist]

[hasty moat]

What kind of wrists should I make if ideally there would be a belt?

[past forum]

Needlessly complex wristguards are an engineering piece that people use to put a tinker effect in, most notably the combat res. This, however, doesn’t count as an embellishment, so you could still use blue silken lining on 2 other pieces. You already have the boots so a belt is the best other slot for it

[solid vault]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hasty moat]

Thank you, mate!

[normal mist]

In theory you can put embellishments in most of your gear, all you gotta be careful with when crafting gear is not crafting items in slots you'd need for, per example, tier set.

[grave ridge]

been learning sin rogue and i find im running out of energy frequently is that common?

[past forum]

Yeah i was gonna add that in my explanation of WHY belt is better but then my rice needed stirring so i just sent lol

[slate crown]

Yes. Common, and expected. Part of the design

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[proven ferry]

Hi All

[past forum]

I know it’s a small thing but the fact that we don’t have to press a builder before SnD in the opener makes me love Bone Spike so much

[grave ridge]

oh ok sweet ty

[slate crown]

Hello

[proven ferry]

I am returning after an year. I did DF season 2 after that I went rogue 😉 I am back now. Which spec is better to play for TWW season 1 ?

[past forum]

The one that’s most fun

(Assassination)

[normal mist]

Tag team brother

[floral vale]

So in cooldowns like in kingsbane you just send as many envenoms as you can and don't worry about overlapping pandemic right?

[balmy condor]

Yes, that’s when you’re doing damage

[silk bane]

weird way of spelling subtelty but okay I guess

[junior aurora]

read the room

[past forum]

[haughty flicker]

thats also a weird way to spell subtlety

[spice surge]

Damn hes good

[nocturne quail]

How does this compare to pooling on beta/without current tier

[slate crown]

Beta has different pooling based on hero talents, take a look at the pins to find the Beta info for each hero talent, each has info on how to pool for each hero talent

[nocturne quail]

Iv read the pins about beta pooling, still tryna learn and that command got my interest. Ty Ty

[silk bane]

i wasnt too subtle huh

[manic coral]

did they release tier set bonuses yet?

[obtuse socket]

Yeah

[manic coral]

its t32 or t33?

[spice spire]

Beta this, beta that, why don’t you try being alpha for once :/

[silk bane]

a lot coming from you

not even alpha enough to dm me dem feet pics

smh

[spice spire]

Sass me again bud and you’ll never see the grippers

[runic hinge]

Quake doesn’t dm. He likes to do everything out in the open

He wants others to watch

[spice spire]

True

That’s a really interesting way to say things

But I rarely RARELY DN

Freudian slip but really

[rotund oak]

alpha dogfathers dont care,they wanna eat they just eat

they wanna talk they talk

be the alpha

[runic hinge]

Are more people playing fatebound or deathstalker on beta for keys?

[rotund oak]

should be fatebound

[silk bane]

who cares, whats important is that we all come together to hate boomkins

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa

never forget

but also deathstalkder

fatebound sucks

[runic hinge]

I’m really trying to commit to the bit so I kinda need to know if I should be worrying about deathstalker

[silk bane]

fatebound doesnt suck, but i hate the capstone so im not touching that shit

[silk bane]

youre so hot for that

[junior aurora]

would

she can make me worse

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

if they make er interact with mark and dn im playing deathstalker all the way baby

[silk bane]

dont get me wrong i dont play deathstalker cuz i like it, or its cool, or strong

i purely play it because of my hatred of fatebound sin

[rotund oak]

why not deathstalker sub

hello

[runic hinge]

Sub looks more interesting to me than it has been

[junior aurora]

is it because i put the ears on

[rotund oak]

sub is the most interesting rogue spec,by far

[runic hinge]

Yes

[runic hinge]

The fact that dust is gonna be less of a headache sounds good to me. I like the idea of DB and all your damage being shadow too.

[tidal gyro]

Is there a WA that shows FB coin flips?

[slate crown]

You don't like having cold blood be an actually button you actually press now

?

Hello?

[silk bane]

because trickster sub is the only good thing that has happened to rogue in general going into tww imo

[runic hinge]

Lisonna please make a coin tracker

[slate crown]

yo wtf

you will never make me alpha

[silk bane]

I already do buddy. been practicing

[rotund oak]

true this makes sense

[slate crown]

I'm not making a coin tracker to count high scores or w/e

[runic hinge]

I want to make a spreadsheet of every coin flip the whole expansion

[spice spire]

Try me

[slate crown]

But I did make a coin wa

[rotund oak]

so u hate fatebound,play deathstalker but the best is trickster

looks like u got a sidething

[slate crown]

To tell you when you have 5 stacks and vanish available and if you have the capstone so you don't have to care about double jeopordy, something that can actually inform your decisions

[runic hinge]

I wonder if I can figure out off of logs what every flip was

[silk bane]

i play trickster sub

deathstalker sin

[slate crown]

!wa can check the LE Collection for Fatebound coins if you want something, like I said it only shows you coins for the purposes of getting the capstone and showing when you have it, just tracking coins on their own once you have the capstone doesn't change any decisions so I don't show more than getting you there

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[junior aurora]

can i get a coin tracker that does a big jackpot when you get 10 in a row

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/how-about-no-sloth-chill-nope-no-gif-6121955

[junior aurora]

like obnoxious graphics and all across the whole screen

i want it to feel like im at the casino when i hit it big

[runic hinge]

I need like a huge slot machine to come up and a Pepe throwing bands to run across my screen

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-asian-guy-hitoshi-matsumoto-gif-13854021

[shy pecan]

Could you do it if I sent you cat pics and snacks?

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/lowtiergod-low-tier-god-mods-moderators-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-7601075343591906860

[tidal gyro]

TY!

[jovial inlet]

Do you still overwrite the stealth garrote in the pandemic window?

[earnest remnant]

You wanna let it run out

[runic hinge]

My love for you will never run out

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/you-died-cat-comedy-funny-shaky-cat-crawling-cat-gif-21392489

[balmy condor]

Would you do it for a scooby snack

[rotund oak]

u simp on a racoon that died to senmath grip yday

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-smile-cat-smile-orenge-cat-smiling-gif-23133369

[runic hinge]

I died to sennarth grip the last 3 times I did that boss. It’s relatable

[rotund oak]

irrelevant question but is there a way to check the relative chat activity in ravenholdt?(sin-pirate-sub)

wanna see how much sin channel is infested with pirates

[rotund oak]

😅

[balmy condor]

There’s no way to filter by role no

[rotund oak]

my take is worse than the nerubians in dalaran in tww

[earnest remnant]

not my fault gateway toy didn't work, blame the indie company

[rotund oak]

i blame colour for transitioning like a min before time nto burn phase

[earnest remnant]

@silk bane rate the new fit

[silk bane]

goes insanely hard

im converted now

its LA time surely

[drifting cloud]

why do you hate sleep

[shy pecan]

Raccoons don't sleep during the night

[earnest remnant]

man im angry as well

i go to bed piss tired

wake up 2 hours later

[drifting cloud]

doesnt sound fun

[vital haven]

is that Lost ark

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[vital haven]

one of my friends got like gold banned or some shit in that game

i hear thats worse then death in that game

[rotund oak]

7 days till lvling boys

[plain jewel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[patent snow]

There's no discrete metric, but you can smell the stench of our desperation.

[serene mason]

Is this Game still alive?

How many chars do you play?

[rotund oak]

😅

im trying to go by the numbers but we are definitely sniffing the same corner here

[spring stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[earnest remnant]

6

[grim jay]

Sniff

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-wiggle-nuts-balls-gif-19773131

[rotund oak]

thats a masterpiece

😂

[grim jay]

Ikr? Found in at some point where stealthi turned the chat into raccoonland

[sonic lotus]

So we only use Crimson tempest to keep the debuff up right?

[grim jay]

Well it only deals damage with that dot

It has no instant damage

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[sonic lotus]

Oh yea right

[hollow oasis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[topaz isle]

Changing up my main from feral to rogue in TWW S1, how many CP do you need to be at in order to use your finisher? Like on feral you would always use your finisher if <4 (out of 5 CP's) outside of Berserk

[torn shadow]

I can’t see anything in the pins, but is deathstalker looking better then fate now?

[runic hinge]

You have 7 combo points as assa and you finish on 5 or more

[balmy condor]

slightly yes

but also

fucking bugs

so

[torn shadow]

Oh, joy. Guess it won’t really matter till raid opens anyway

[topaz isle]

Cool thanks

Without having to ask on other channels as well, whats the general rule as Outland and Sub?

[nocturne quail]

The deathwalker buff makes you want to finish on a seven envenom when it’s up

[topaz isle]

Yeah when consuming last Deathmark right?

(Deathstalkers mark that is)

[royal lantern]

iirc same

[topaz isle]

Thanks! 🙂

[grim jay]

Dang how do you know what outland does

Tryan OL enjoyer confirmed

[royal lantern]

because the finisher logic is kinda the same for everyone....?

you want to close as max CP as possible without wasting

[atomic rune]

I haven’t read anything about Assa since I read the shitshow that is Deathstalker when it was released. Has it been fixed or is any of it seeming fun now?

Curious because I’ve seen a bunch of Assa on beta keys lately

[grim jay]

Dont try to cover it up with logic

[royal lantern]

no

they just made number bigger

[atomic rune]

Oh Jesus man

[grim jay]

Well they did fix DN to procc on target death

[atomic rune]

I’ve never really wavered on playing my Assa but after this whole beta cycle I’m kinda glad I jumped ship

I’m still gonna alt it but yknow

[grim jay]

Kinda overreacting

As you can always play fatebound and its non intrusive

[atomic rune]

I don’t like both I should say

Really boring and uninspired

IMO

[grim jay]

Idk many hero talent trees are just passive

With barely much of an impact

[atomic rune]

Hmm I see what you’re saying but from my knowledge the worst offenders are rogue and Hunters

[grim jay]

They are just talents like your spec tree at the end of the day

[atomic rune]

I’m playing Spriest and there ARE impacts in both trees that change a bit of your play style and encourage different builds

Same with Aff lock but just a bit less so

I will also add Druid to the unintrusive side as well

[grim jay]

I dont see the need in that tbf. Id only wish for hero talents to change the playstyle if it was shit

But sin plays great by itself

So there is no need to alter that in any way

And at the end of the day people will just use the same one build thats best anyways

[atomic rune]

Well it’s not really altering in Spriest way. Archon lets you play a hyper scaling Void Eruption style that’s sick but Voidweaver lets you play Archangel for more 1 minute

I’m sure it will end up falling into playing Archon in most high end situations but Voidweaver has real niche situations and it’s never truly truly behind in most situations

I’m sure I’m being dramatic dropping Assa after so many years but who knows

[grim jay]

I mean its fine either way if you see yourself maining something else

Fun is the most important thing

But by no stretch of the imagination would I say dropping rogue just for the hero talents is warranted

If someone enjoys s3 or s4 sin, that person will enjoy tww sin

[royal lantern]

tbf, beeing really dissapointed by the "main expansion Feature" beeing more then halfassed is understandable

like, idk, rn "hero talents" are the 2nd worst "feature" they added after covenants lol

[grim jay]

Its bad for many classes/specs and there will be work on it considering they wanna permanently keep those

Being disappointed is one thing, but it still doesnt change the initial statement tho

Im not happy with the hero talents themself either

Dont get me wrong

[royal lantern]

im REALLY suprised if they actually do

cus holy shit

the Backslash will be huge

the "hero talent" system at the end of the expansion will either be fully scrapped or be complettely different

cus the current version is a gigantic shitshow

[grim jay]

Depends on what they do with it. The idea is great and loved in different ways in other games

It has good potential

[bronze pike]

Templar and herald are poggin

[sharp viper]

@balmy condorheya, what is currently the APM in your latest sims?

[balmy condor]

depends on situation and hero talent

[royal lantern]

the 1thing that makes me mad about herald

the entire tree is about tauren paladins

every single node is tauren themed

the icon is a generic human

[bronze pike]

Same

[royal lantern]

and they did that for every single tree in the game lol

[bronze pike]

Elune has a million stuff

Anshe has 0

[royal lantern]

shado-pan tree->human monk

[serene mason]

thats enough to get hone grind done in loa? last time i played the game (until feb 23) it was more like a fulltime job playing 9 chars and boosting old raids.

sorry for offtopic

[earnest remnant]

its easier, but still bad

[random fossil]

Glad to see you're alive brudi

[balmy condor]

despite my best attempts, I continue to wake up every morning

[random fossil]

I must admit I liked it when u hit on me in Spanish but I thought u were dead ngl

[balmy condor]

nah

was my first drink back

and the bartender thought it would be funny to do 3 shots of vodka instead of 2

turns out 2 is the limit

[earnest remnant]

[tawny junco]

[balmy condor]

don't look at me like that

my vodka redbulls

are very strong

[steel ridge]

what did i just read

[balmy condor]

I was spitting my game to juan in spanish on wednesday night

cause I was a lil inebriated as the police says

[earnest remnant]

atleast no arabic backstreet boys this time

[balmy condor]

nah not this time

but I did find a romanian singer and in the song she sings english, spanish, and arabic

kinda wild

[rotund oak]

romanian chicks are hot

kinda irrelevant but pushing the info out there

[random fossil]

Rizzly bear rizzed me hard

[steel ridge]

thank you for your service

[rotund oak]

you are welcome fam

[sharp viper]

can confirm

[sharp viper]

raid, single target

[balmy condor]

47 with bis deathstalker

[subtle tundra]

You're so real

[sharp viper]

Oof that's slow

[candid hull]

Another great day to appreciate the awesomeness of poison bomb even though its not very good

[indigo mulch]

but it leaves a cool animation on the ground that the tanks gets scared of and makes sure to avoid.

[raw cedar]

Been checked out for a while… is Assa slapping in TWW?

[normal mist]

Kinda yeah

A lot of tunning left to do

If we are too strong in comparison to other classes, we'll be tuned down most likely

[tropic charm]

HI im pretty new to the specc and i have a quick question. How do you guys deal with Energy management. I feel like im burning through my Energy way to fast. For example in M+ im basically out of Energy 45 sec into the fight and it becomes pretty shit to play after that.

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[normal mist]

If you find words confusing, you can try watching the video

[tropic charm]

Thank you!

[normal mist]

But yes its part of the spec running out of energy, we play around it

[tropic charm]

Yeah it think im doing smth wrong sometimes cause in some fights i have energy and manage it until like the last 20% of the boss and the next fight im out of energy and the boss is still at 50 to 60% which results in me doing no dmg

[timber basalt]

does sudden demise consume the bleeds when it procs?

[earnest remnant]

well the target dies when it procs

so i guess yeh?

[balmy condor]

so does that mean sudden demise consumes the entire target

is sudden demise so hungry it could eat a horse

[timber basalt]

i'm just fighting some random trash mobs in the open world and they go from 35 to like 5% for some reason

[balmy condor]

open world scaling will fuck it

mobs scale to player item level and player level and stuff

it gets really messy and screws up the sudden demise calculation

[timber basalt]

but it doesn't seem to consume the bleeds

in case you were interested

[balmy condor]

I'm well aware

we usually just brush over open world content since it's kinda ya know

not relevant most of the time

[timber basalt]

yeah obviously

[balmy condor]

in instanced stuff with no funny business with the scaling

mob just outright dies

[timber basalt]

got it

[bronze echo]

what is the most beginner friendly assa m+ build?

[strange python]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-easy-mode?area=area_2

[safe linden]

How’s assassination looking in tww for m+\raid

[normal mist]

Good

But a lot of tuning left to do

We can go from good to bad in 1 patch notes

[kind hare]

My prediction ist 4 weeks tops then we get nerfed

[normal mist]

The best we can hope for is balanced classes across the board

[subtle tundra]

i hope sub/outlaw are better in m+ dont ask why

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[normal mist]

One can dream

[rare jackal]

its gonna be another sin being overtuned just to get nerfed in the ground for mythic episode

i can feel it

[celest drift]

As always

[grim jay]

But we can grind that one week of m0 before that happens

[rare jackal]

poggies

[placid adder]

Not the highest in ST so we’ll see

[safe linden]

I haven’t touched outlaw with a 100’ pole since they removed shadow dance

[grim jay]

I haven’t touched outlaw with a 100’ pole since they removed combat

[grim jay]

In theory

[rare jackal]

I haven’t touched outlaw with a 100’ pole since they added killing spree to the rotation

[fluid kindle]

I think rogues will get nerfed to the ground no matter what. To make up for the disaster of the hero talents theyve given massive buffs. When they realise how much damage they do they will nerf us to the ground but still without fixing hero talents.

It will be real fun

[royal lantern]

you WILL play sub after week 3, and you WILL like it

the beatings continue

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[grim jay]

Sounds pretty tinfoil

Ngl

[earnest remnant]

you will play trickster

and you will like it

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-berg-cat-orange-cat-swimming-gif-25177582

[grim jay]

You will play trickster outlaw and you will like it*

[earnest remnant]

nobody likes playing outlaw

only mentally ill people

[grim jay]

The first half is right

The second aswell, but we all are mentally ill

[royal lantern]

[torn shadow]

We willingly play rogue, we’re all on the spectrum

[slim hamlet]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/ Is it possible to look at old expansions for this?

Want to look at dragonflight, but see it has moved to TWW

[midnight mist]

real

[grim jay]

Whats your condition brother

[worldly sail]

rogue player

[midnight mist]

I'm addicted to fun

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-gif-20013539

[naive crane]

hey guys, quick question. I use cev's plater profile but instead of Automatic buff tracking i use Manual tracking. I use personal resource bar und my problem is when i use Kingsbane or Evasion for example it shows the icon next to my healthbar to the right. Any clue how to disable that?

[strange python]

yeah that's under Special Buffs

and adding anything to Special Buffs - removes it from the top. Just delete them from that section.

So @naive crane basically delete from here:

[naive crane]

hmm, when i use Evasion or Cloak, it shows the Icon next to my personal resource bar

[strange python]

yeah i dunno about that

[naive crane]

and i dont have them on the buff special list

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

my resources are just in a /wa

[rotund oak]

😉

[stone locust]

I know this is a rather specific question but, I am having trouble understanding what gear I should be equipping on the BETA for assa rogue

Is there any resource that can tell me gear setups or atleast a secondary stat value distribution? All I can find is Prepatch stuff

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[stone locust]

Thank you, anything about which trinkets to run?

[spring prawn]

any1 got a caustic spatter wa for me pls?

[shy pecan]

!wa pick one from there or just look up Caustic on wago.io.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

(Or make yourself with the premade auras template option when creating a new aura )

(Caustic is pretty straightforward debuff to track)

[lime crypt]

bfa outlaw was peak

[little ginkgo]

hello guys is fatebound gona be viable in m+ or are we stuck with deathstalker?

[safe linden]

Death stalker seems legit

[steel ridge]

A legit trainwreck yes

[rain oyster]

we discount rogue rerolling to ret pally?

2 button PogChamp

[lime crypt]

if they get stealth why not

[fervent marsh]

HEyo guys, how our dmg profile looks like in tww prepatch ? this was mine in 8+ key

[stable coral]

Outlaw is cringe

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lime crypt]

ever since they capped aoe, i agree

and the amount of bugs it has

[safe linden]

Wait what’s wrong with death stalker

I’m new to rogue bare with me

[shy pecan]

Looks fine. Damage profile doesn’t necessarily mean you’re playing the spec right btw. Logs will be a better indicator.

[shy pecan]

There’s bugs. That’s all.

[little ginkgo]

you have to use ambush

[safe linden]

Well presuming the bugs are fixed it seems good right?

[little ginkgo]

we really dont wanna use use ambush

in aoe

[shy pecan]

You’re using it once every 10 seconds anyway because of caustic.

[shy pecan]

Pins has more coverage about that.

[ionic sinew]

anyone know a good talent build for assass rogue m plus warwithin beta

[shy pecan]

Pins.

[lime crypt]

man i swear i need wow dev team to atleast apologize for making such a shitty hero talents for rogue

[junior aurora]

yeah they owe it to you dont they

[lime crypt]

since i bought the 100€ version i expect it

[solar oasis]

Does Shadowmeld proc improved Garrote?

[spice surge]

No

You need to stealth for it to proc

[hoary remnant]

meld is kinda wonky spell to get into stealth even with a macro

[royal lantern]

bro, thats some bigtime karen shit lol

[dreamy canyon]

On streams I’ve seen people Shadowmeld and then have IC available. Is it just inconsistent? I was considering playing Night Elf for the quality of life in keys

[spice surge]

They stealth after shadowmelding

[lime crypt]

im sad man, they made some cool shit for DKs and all we get is bunch of garbage passives that dont even work

and its one of the main sellings points of TWW

[spice surge]

But it doesnt work on bosses, and has a tendancy to be janky and sometimes not work in m+ packs as well

[lime crypt]

like cmon

[royal lantern]

i mean, i agree that "hero talents" are some of the worst shit they made in a long time and that ita very very very half assed for most classes/specs

but going "i paid 100bucks and want to speak the manager" is just hilarious

[formal palm]

Does Resounding Clarity just mean the Animacharge works as if the finisher consumed 9 cp instead of 7?

[spice surge]

No

It means you get 3 animacharged points instead of 1

[dreamy canyon]

Thanks for the info. Maybe I’ll try it out

[formal palm]

like you consume it 3 times before its gone?

[lime crypt]

fair point, im just really frustrated tho... 😭

[spice surge]

No

[lime crypt]

and im mentally ill rogue player so i dont wanna play anyhting else nor can i