assassination

[slate crown]

Oh wait

we have double vanish on class tree now

Point is, go pick up double vanish

toss knife, then mash vanish

And use both vanish charges

that always worked for me

[past forum]

So we have to ambush for mark and then later mutilate for caustic on the first pull of a key (bit cringe using 2 st builders in aoe if you ask me but it is what it is). For later packs, where I’m guessing we’re applying mark with darkest night, do we want to do our bleeds + caustic setup first or is priority #1 using dn to get mark going?

[shadow cloud]

I gotta have a whole talent spec just for resetting the boss 😭 Man why does blizz hate rogue

[balmy condor]

bleeds

[balmy condor]

I mean it shouldn't be your job in the first place

[past forum]

Is it a medium-to-large gain to switch to mouseovers for bleeds so we can keep melee’ing the marked target, or not really worth it if you aren’t fully comfortable with it atm?

[shadow cloud]

I like being able to do things

[balmy condor]

if by medium to large gain you mean maybe 0.2% at most then I guess yeah

[past forum]

Yeah i assumed it was small, ty

[clever sapphire]

prepatch is not doing me any good, i started with pvp

[thorn fjord]

Hang out in the echoes areas and raise havoc

It’s been fun

[rotund oak]

pvp is cool in DF

actually took steps towards improvement as content

[thorn fjord]

Sin has the ability to be highly toxic

Hue hue hue

[clever sapphire]

well it had my interest till i realised that rated shuffle has no interesting mog, so now im just doing epic rbgs for honor to get the honor mogs

maybe tww gonna change that

[rotund oak]

u can get the elite mogs at 1.8k rating

if u have started a bit earlier u could have gotten them

ive got all elite mogs for rogue/mage and hpally

its not that hard i think its

rival 1 iirc

1.8,not that hard

[clever sapphire]

the elite mog is not in the sets tab tho

isnt that removed with prepatch?

[rotund oak]

yeah its seasonal reward

jsut keep in mind

i think they add it in vendors

u can get some from previous seasons with marks

[clever sapphire]

ye im prob just gonna "farm" honor and tokens

[tawny pewter]

Any useful macros that you guys can recommend?

I already use the one for Deathmark, trinket + pot, but maybe there are some tricks and tips i can use

[hexed frost]

We're hitting bleedmaxxing levels that shouldn't even be possible

6 million demise execute

[sick sail]

So we looking good. Haven’t been on much so haven’t kept up with latest updates or news

[clever sapphire]

not really, cant really macro much as assa

[jaunty dew]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-cat-help-gif-26762519

@balmy condor How it felt reading the deathstlaker thread

[river hawk]

I read about one guy saying assa have so much rng (idk to much about beta) and sub is more consistent for progress, is that correct in some way or assa is the best rn

[fresh kelp]

Still enjoy undead as a race but kinda want a change for TWW, how’s zandalari?

[shy cove]

They run like they've pooped their pants tho. 😦

[fresh kelp]

Lol you do have a point

[balmy condor]

Is it not understandable

[jaunty dew]

Oh it is, to a point, I'll give it a few more readings to process.

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty dew]

I think it's the kind of things that first read is just confusing until it clicks.

[pliant remnant]

https://wago.io/398Lv0cuq

You can edit what colours what in the Constructor

[heavy jolt]

how many targets do we use tempest on?

[hardy venture]

I think the answer is yes, but you can Shadowmeld into Stealth to get Improved Garrote proc + Indiscriminate Carnage yeah?

[errant trail]

@balmy condor

we getting nerfed aren’t we

beta we look juicy

[normal mist]

pinging for random stuff is so bad

[mossy gust]

do u guys have a wa to track clear the witness ?

[errant trail]

i just saw some sin rogue do big dmg in beta

no way we keep that

[slate crown]

You can use the Premade Aura option in WA, it's a very simple buff to track and create

And yes, I track it

We use our AoE builder in ST when we have it up, so it's worth seeing it

[vestal wren]

you can't melt into stealth on boss fights. Just to add this information piece to the conversation.

[hardy venture]

Thank you! So it does work on trash I take it

[balmy condor]

3+ if the guy writing the pins is to be believed

[mossy gust]

ty

[hardy venture]

Don't trust em

[vestal wren]

i haven't tested which bonus is active on beta during melt. They changed stealth recently.
Whispyr might know better

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t seem like it affected anything

[vestal wren]

👍 perfect

[hardy venture]

Sorry if there is a macro posted somewhere, but this is what I found searching the discord. Would this be best, or am I dumb and missing it on the WoWHead guide that some dude put together?

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cleartarget
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget

[iron valve]

iirc it takes a moment for combat to drop, but you could try it out and see

[hardy venture]

Have to buy a race change to test 🙃 I am just cute Blood Elf atm because why wouldn't I be

[vestal wren]

you can literally just create a char on beta

if you have beta access

[hardy venture]

Oh...til thank youi

[vestal wren]

go on the max level realm, create a new char at the top and it gets set to max level

[balmy condor]

The macro should work, it’s pretty overkill tbh

[hardy venture]

This yeah?

[balmy condor]

Problem with meld is that you get put into combat automatically pretty often

Which stops you from actually getting the stealth off

[balmy condor]

Ptr is not beta

[hardy venture]

I read that putting that macro on mouse wheel can help avoid that

[balmy condor]

Beta is beta

[vestal wren]

^

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s cope

[balmy condor]

F no beta

[hardy venture]

https://tenor.com/bk8b4.gif

[forest nacelle]

my mousewheel is for defensives xD

[iron valve]

you also have to not be moving or meld will cancel

[royal lantern]

my mousewheel is for racial

[forest nacelle]

wait, why not just use vvanish? wtf are we evening talking about?

[balmy condor]

Meld is so fucking jank man

[vestal wren]

it looks like this, you get access to it when buying the epic edition for wow.
But i don't think its worth it, so not recommended.

[lapis lantern]

when I dont play with lightweight shiv, do i use shiv at the end of kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[errant trail]

yea 8 seconds right?

[violet berry]

I can’t seem to find a good guide on assas

Any recommendations

[hardy venture]

Found workaround. Class Trial

[vestal wren]

oh, thats a good one

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vestal wren]

i totally forgot about them

[hardy venture]

Blizzard UI people...it was hidden under the stupid dragon lol

[iron valve]

so quick testing tells me:

• no, this macro doesn't work - it doesn't drop combat quick enough so you just shadowmeld and then unmeld without going into stealth
• shadowmeld alone doesn't count as stealth for the purposes of IC

the macro I have used in the past is simply
/cast [combat] !Shadowmeld; !Stealth
and tap it twice

[balmy condor]

Also doesn’t count for imp gar or shrouded while we’re listing things

[hardy venture]

I knew that Meld wouldn't count for those, which is why the cast stealth is in there I imagned

[iron valve]

yeah, but worth checking. I think in the past it's sometimes been weird, like you could ambush while melded

[hardy venture]

Would attacking a target dummy mimic a M+ enviroment somewhat? Obviously no AoE to pull out of Meld before stealth but I wasn't sure. How are you testing exactly?

[clever sapphire]

/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

i use this and just spam it, works like 90% of the time in m+

of course it wont work during a boss fight

[clever sapphire]

go into a follower dungeon and unequip weapons

the npcs dont do enough dmg to kill anything anyways

[hardy venture]

5head ❤️

[clever sapphire]

not sure if follower dungeon is a lvl 70 thing tho

[hardy venture]

This test a class toon is only 60 so it works

[clever sapphire]

ah aight

but ye the macro i sent works for me

[hardy venture]

Just worked for me too. I bound it to wheel up + down so I just do that over and over

Yeah it seems to work. 3/3 so far in dungeon

[tall jay]

Hmm with the changes abound do we still use thistle tea as needed or within the KB window?

[normal mist]

tea in shiv windows

[tall jay]

Or visa versa

Ok shiv and tea only?

[normal mist]

I'll still need to read the beta info whispyr wrote, in the beta threads, but afaik you tea during shiv windows when you get full value of the energy

[tall jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dazed-and-confused-matthew-mc-gif-22598466

Need to read more as well I see, shiv window is… when? Whenever we use shiv I’m assuming (oh how I can’t wait for Whispyrs YouTube Guide, math is hard and reading is hard for me lol)

[normal mist]

We've been shiv'ing the same way since S3, for kingsbane

but now, instead of using tea for the last 6 seconds of kingsbane, we use tea for the energy while shiv is up

[tall jay]

Ah, so we just be moving the timing of tea then?

In poor man’s terms

[royal lantern]

basically, yeha

we use tea with shiv cus shiv = more envenom dmg = good

[tall jay]

Cool

[lapis lantern]

even in the opener?

[novel thicket]

Is is better to use vanish before Death Mark to get the Imp garrote or last three seconds of kingsbane if using Master Assassin?

[tall atlas]

are we op yet

[clever sapphire]

for imp garrote always

[novel thicket]

so say I cant geyt stealth cause pug life. Would it be worth to spend vanish then go into my big cd's?

[clever sapphire]

ah in m+ i barely ever use vanish with dm

i usually just hold it for moments where i feel like i want IC

or when i know the tank is gonna do a shitty chain pull

[forest nacelle]

i do that unless its on tyran weeks

then i use it for bosses

[clever sapphire]

i mean i dont even run MA

[novel thicket]

Im just using the wowhead talents

[clever sapphire]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZGmxyMAAAAAAMbw2MAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLzyYMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWCWGmADLA
im running this (its in the deathstalker thread)

[novel thicket]

I've wanted to hold vanish for IC but didnt know if it was right

Im on live atm

[clever sapphire]

ye doesnt matter imo

[novel thicket]

I was using the bleed build, but I'm gonna move over to hybrid

[shy pecan]

If you want to get garrotes out faster via IC and what not, yeah, use the vanish and then go into CDs. But otherwise, can just go the old fashioned way of getting ruptures and garrotes out

[clever sapphire]

i have been running the hybrid bonespike build since prepatch, almost had the build correct even thats in the thread

[novel thicket]

I was gonna go hybrid amp

how is bonespike

[clever sapphire]

the build i sent has spike and amp

also bonespike is just a feels good talent

it wont do insane dmg but its there for lethal dose and it just smoothens your IC spread and your out of IC spread

just a really good QoL talent imo

[balmy condor]

For not doing insane damage it’s regularly beating out capstone talents in comparisons

[clever sapphire]

i meant in details, thats what people look at mostly no?

[novel thicket]

I might actually try this MA feels crap. but I am new to the spec so I could be chatting shit lol

[balmy condor]

Sims would rather drop kingsbane and dtb before dropping bone spike

[clever sapphire]

ye i know about sims, i was more talking details department since thats what people will refer to when saying it doesnt do much

[balmy condor]

I guess

[clever sapphire]

cant feel MA but you can feel bonespike

will always be my argument

[novel thicket]

Is MA better sim wise though?

[clever sapphire]

seeing as the build i sent is from Whispyr aka THE smart guy, id say MA is worse

you can also just sim

[novel thicket]

oh right is it on wowhead?

Im gonan try it

[clever sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1271649178778603541

here

ik its beta and whatnot

[novel thicket]

Im also guessing cause we're not using 2 charges of shiv, we hold shiv for last 5 seconds of kingsbane?

[grim jay]

wdym cant feel ma

dont you feel the crits SURGING

[clever sapphire]

yap

[clever sapphire]

ye just like i can feel 10% haste

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

[hexed frost]

Is the hybrid build go to for current season M+ also?

Tried a 16 RLP and it sucks though

[shy pecan]

It’s pre-patch

[clever sapphire]

did you by any chance play with a fury warrior or a frost dk?

those 2 make your existence meaningless usually

[forest nacelle]

i kept up with a 498 FDK 😦

[hexed frost]

It was with a frost dk though

[grim jay]

which hybrid tho, something wonky or the wowhead hybrid?

[forest nacelle]

im 518

[hexed frost]

[clever sapphire]

see how i predicted it

its just how prepatch is currently

[forest nacelle]

FDK is BONKERS

[balmy condor]

Prepatch keys

Next level mental illness

[clever sapphire]

my rule of thumb is that i dont play with a fdk or fury if i go in for fun and not fure rio

[hexed frost]

518 frost dk did 100K more damage than me, 527.

Absolutely embarassing

[clever sapphire]

and who cares about prepatch rio

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/special-agent-gif-27395014

[clever sapphire]

i dont have beta aight, gotta test talents and whatnot out somewhere

[grim jay]

you wanna do (one with) me?

[hexed frost]

Is it because frost dk and fury just melt trash instantly?

[forest nacelle]

yeah the 498 did the same amount xD

[clever sapphire]

and also bosses

[forest nacelle]

to me

but i won on boss fights....

[clever sapphire]

a frost dk was doubling my dmg on rlp 2nd boss without any effort

and i dont think im that bad of an assa for that to happen

[hexed frost]

How?

[clever sapphire]

prepatch moment

[forest nacelle]

yea

[clever sapphire]

i was doing 400k, frost was doing 800k

and it was a 15 rlp i think

so not a +2

[hexed frost]

Doing keys without arterial and zoldyk feels so cringe ngl

[forest nacelle]

gunna try this actually.

[grim jay]

I mean you can aswell not do it

[clever sapphire]

only key i feel that in is halls, because of first boss

[hexed frost]

6 million demise procs are fucking juicy

[balmy condor]

my account is NA first off

second off

it's back to guide

[clever sapphire]

its fun, but im also really hot about bonespike

[grim jay]

dang whispyr not in the mood today

[forest nacelle]

doing gods work btw.

[balmy condor]

what y'all think of these

[grim jay]

do you enjoy it ?

[balmy condor]

its aight

[cedar elk]

I think these are easier to read than text

so I appreciate you putting them together

[strange python]

Looks good whispyr

[balmy condor]

opener changes too damn much

is the problem

that aoe opener at the bottom isn't even really "the best", it overcaps a cp or two if you're skipping snd

but what can you do

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/rosycheeks-approved-i-approve-well-done-good-job-gif-16996150

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna put up 35 different openers for 35 different builds

[grim jay]

really like it. especially the small explanations below/above

[faint vessel]

those are helpful and im already saving them

[balmy condor]

gotta cut a corner somewhere

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

there's a couple mistakes I gotta fix

[faint vessel]

well fine then

[cedar elk]

are they all AOE? Sorry im debating play assa and still reading

[limber lion]

Look good

[clever sapphire]

ye imagine not being talented into spike, ignore those people

[balmy condor]

first two are single target

[shy pecan]

I like this one more than the second one. Not sure why the purple seems easier on the eyes than the orange

[balmy condor]

you can tell cause they're spamming mut

[forest nacelle]

wouldn't it be easier to just compile the DPS of the openers and pick the median?

[runic hinge]

Hot

[forest nacelle]

to pick the opener

[balmy condor]

well can't really change the colors, those are the hero talent colors

[shy pecan]

Ah

[cedar elk]

Thats what I figured. Can you put descriptions on them when youre done?

[balmy condor]

yeh

we'll see how far I get tonight

[balmy condor]

this sounds miserable btw

[shy pecan]

Was gonna say, could you just label them and keep them all the same color? 😛

[forest nacelle]

I was only trying to help 😦 but i get that...

[balmy condor]

I would have to code in the openers by hand

[forest nacelle]

oh gross

[limber lion]

It just doesn't work

[forest nacelle]

now i understand

[limber lion]

The opener can vary a billion different ways with slight talent changes and whether you want to speed up the rotation or not

[balmy condor]

is the orange that bad

[hearty reef]

steamrolling 19s without caring about trash dmg

[limber lion]

Just not possible

[limber lion]

I think it's fine

[balmy condor]

aight ed give me a second

[shy pecan]

I’m just one opinion. If it makes it easier on ID’ing hero openers, then best stick with it

[balmy condor]

what about this

[shy pecan]

(Especially if you TC’s are coordinating on colors for the hero talents across all the FAQs/guides)

[shy pecan]

Looks better yeah

[balmy condor]

wowhead has a style guide for the colors, fuu compiled some good ones for rogue

so

you'll be seeing that orange

all expac

[shy pecan]

Yeah the one border looks good

IMO

[lost pulsar]

Is it worth getting 7 CP? All finisher tooltips cap out at 6.

[balmy condor]

I can work with that

[balmy condor]

that's a tooltip error, not that it matters cause you finish on 5 anyway

[forest nacelle]

or attempt to

[balmy condor]

unless youre deathstalker ofc

[grand trail]

what about that egg trinket

[balmy condor]

what about it

[forest nacelle]

i almost always hit 6+

xD

[grand trail]

im missing somethging or its not "use" effect on beta

[lost pulsar]

So there’s a point in getting 7 is what I’m understanding.

[balmy condor]

you are missing something indeed then

cause it's very clearly a use

[shy pecan]

One border also looks like it makes it easier on your end too of not having to put one on each ability? 😬

[balmy condor]

I mean you need to force yourself to 7 with deathstalker, but you'll be hitting 7 naturally a lot

[balmy condor]

:P

[hexed frost]

Does deathstalker mark goes away on 3rd boss Necrotic Wake if one doesn't one phase him?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hexed frost]

Gg wp

[lost pulsar]

Okay, thanks for the info.

[shy pecan]

Hahaha go one border 🙂

[grand trail]

whats on use ont his one

[faint vessel]

thats a different egg I believe

[shy crow]

ok this is epic

[forest nacelle]

i gotta get more coffee, i read that first line of the description WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY wrong.

[grand trail]

there is another egg

i see it now 😄

[limber lion]

Huh

Yeah maybe too many egg trinkets in the pot

[grand trail]

yeah there are two same graphic different egg colour 😄

[royal lantern]

good readable imo

[limber lion]

But if something doesn't say "Use:" it's not an active

[shy pecan]

Yeah, version 2 imo @balmy condor

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[grand trail]

man im reading the opther egg and i dont even understant what does it do

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter cus you dont use it

troll trinket

[limber lion]

You don't move, you gain stacks up to 30

[haughty flicker]

gigachad trinket

[limber lion]

You press trinket to freeze those stacks

[balmy condor]

moving gives stat, stacking
not moving gives stat, stacking

use to lock in your stats

[haughty flicker]

"sorry couldnt move out of swirly, trinket was ramping"

[grand trail]

ohh smart

[balmy condor]

it's not an awful trinket to be fair

[grand trail]

god help america

[royal lantern]

you should put a "get maximum CP" for the envenom that re-applies the mark imo

[royal lantern]

the problem is the players

[balmy condor]

for which one

[grand trail]

does the locking even matter 😄

you always have 30stacks just of different thing

[balmy condor]

yeah

but get this right

huge IQ required

maybe 128 agility might be better that 131 secondary

idk

just a thought

[past forum]

only rick and morty fans will be able to properly use that trinket

[grand trail]

i mean depends sometimes those stats get close

[slim hamlet]

They're nice but am I missing something or should you not use CT after the 2x garrote and then ER after, if not talented into SBS?
Maybe it's better to make 2 different opener showcases with and without SBS if not too much work?

Or is it because no shrouded or something?

[balmy condor]

small overcap it's whatever

[slim hamlet]

Aight

[limber lion]

Kinda depends on target count as well

Like on 4t probs wanna er, on 8t wanna double garry

[balmy condor]

if I had to make separate openers for each target count and sbs and not sbs and er and not er

we'd have legit 25 openers

gonna fucking kill myself

[limber lion]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

deathstalker capstone envenom

[slim hamlet]

Is it actually worth to garrote twice on 4 targets? Guessing it for sure is 5+ right?

[tall atlas]

not kept up wit hanything at all bous

[balmy condor]

is this not 7?

[tall atlas]

how we looking in the new game

[grand trail]

pretty pog we are lookin

[tall atlas]

rly?

[slim hamlet]

I am an enjoyer

[tall atlas]

is this pre raid tho

[grand trail]

yeah its not bad

[slim hamlet]

Unless we go no vanish build

[limber lion]

What is a no vanish build

[balmy condor]

vicious drops imp poison and sanguine, shrouded and imp gar is safe

[slim hamlet]

VV instead of shrouded and imp garrote, but it seems we don't

Yea

Poggies

[balmy condor]

you can drop sang and imp gar

it's like 0.3% worse

[limber lion]

Drop them for worse rotation and feel

And worse dps

[slim hamlet]

How much less burst is the VV build, guessing it's quite a bit less with no sanguine for DM and imp poison for KB+DM?

[balmy condor]

I mean worse feel is pretty subjective

I don't want to fucking play imp gar

[limber lion]

You don't?

[balmy condor]

fuck no lmao

[slim hamlet]

Why

[limber lion]

That's interesting

Or are we back to talking in single target only

[balmy condor]

cause fuck imp gar broseph I don't want to live in a world where my deathstalker mark drops on a raid fight and I have 1:45 left on my vanish cd

[grim jay]

broseph

[limber lion]

Because Aurhora was talking about 5 targets earlier

Not ST

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[balmy condor]

well we sure as hell aren't running vicious in aoe

[slim hamlet]

That is deathstalker issue more than imp garrote but I see

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

Sounds pretty weird to me dropping Improved Garrote in AoE lol

But yeah single sure

[grim jay]

complaining about brudi and saying broseph

[slim hamlet]

VV in aoe would be wild

[balmy condor]

it spatters technically

[haughty flicker]

no imp gar in raid might kind of be a vibe

[slim hamlet]

Getting closer to spreading doomblade aoe by the day

[haughty flicker]

i'd have to try it

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait for it to be realized in 12.0

[balmy condor]

no imp gar in raid is based

[limber lion]

Imp Gar > VV

[slim hamlet]

^

[balmy condor]

you know how much garrote damage you lose dropping imp gar in single target

[slim hamlet]

Deathstalker the issue not imp garr stop hating on my boy

[grim jay]

0.4

[slim hamlet]

Maybe not much in overall but it's the burst and we know how important that can be w

[balmy condor]

1.2% from base gar, 0.7% from deathmark

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

How much less burst

[limber lion]

Very good

[slim hamlet]

Or in CDs

[grim jay]

I mean

[balmy condor]

like 10%?

idfk man

[grim jay]

we dont talk about that

[slim hamlet]

More than expected

[grim jay]

in the imp garr hater camp

[slim hamlet]

aint doing that

But I also haven't looked at a single fight for mythic yet so idk how much burst matters

[cerulean nest]

is one of the hero trees “burstier” than the other?

[balmy condor]

3% in 40 seconds

[slim hamlet]

deathstalker right?

[balmy condor]

you don't run vicious on fatebound

[limber lion]

Stupid Deathstalker buffing generators

[slim hamlet]

I was talking about this

but 3% aint that much I guess

[balmy condor]

oh no fatebound in single target is burstier on average

[cerulean nest]

that’s what I was wondering

[slim hamlet]

Oh really

Just the dmg boost?

[cerulean nest]

like significantly?

[balmy condor]

but that's like a 5% diff

[cerulean nest]

ah

[limber lion]

Neither of them are really bursty

[slim hamlet]

I expected deathstalker with Lingering and Corrupt for KB and DM

[limber lion]

Fatebound passive shit all day long

Deathstalker buffs autoattacks and generators

[balmy condor]

is this not bursty

[errant trail]

seems good to me

[cerulean nest]

that fate bound?

[errant trail]

lol

yeah

crank

[balmy condor]

thats deathstalker

[errant trail]

o

[limber lion]

Noobs

[errant trail]

[cerulean nest]

let’s see fatebound

[limber lion]

Thinking it's FB because Whispyr said it's the burstier option

[slim hamlet]

Tell them Mr. Poe

[limber lion]

Fools

[balmy condor]

here, I'll let you guess another one

there's more builds

what about this one

[slim hamlet]

Trickster

[cerulean nest]

mage

[balmy condor]

the name might be misleading

[slim hamlet]

Could be UHDK

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

Fatebound

[balmy condor]

no

[slim hamlet]

wtf

[balmy condor]

I even told you

[slim hamlet]

Yea

but I thought it was a double juke

Like "oh dont look at the name lol and also xd"

[limber lion]

Base Assassination without a hero talent tree

[slim hamlet]

No capstone build with no hero talent

[haughty flicker]

sub

[slim hamlet]

We are ready for minminning

[balmy condor]

nah that was an override I did a couple hours ago

[cerulean nest]

[slim hamlet]

Actually minmin build will prob have IC

[grim jay]

so its both deathboi and fatebound

[slim hamlet]

God minminning is harder than it used to be

[vestal wren]

damn, they rly removed all the burst with the KB nerfs. Assassiantion flat liner confirmed.

[balmy condor]

yeah fr

shadow dance killed assa burst

on god

[slim hamlet]

It's over

[haughty flicker]

i cant believe they've done this

[slim hamlet]

also what in the world

[balmy condor]

fatebound

[slim hamlet]

So we back to PI gaming?

[balmy condor]

I won't make you guess a third time

hell no

[slim hamlet]

Please tell me no

Thank god

[uneven plume]

oh nerfs already went through?

[balmy condor]

what nerfs

[slim hamlet]

what

[uneven plume]

sin nerfs

[marble hemlock]

idk i still have burst when i play double vanish in m+ and get #1 score with it. itll be you having an aneurysm burst, but burst is burst amirite?

[balmy condor]

no

[slim hamlet]

Which nerfs

[uneven plume]

oh

[balmy condor]

there are no sin nerfs

whats bro yappin about

[slim hamlet]

Sub got nerfed

One spell by like 8%

[uneven plume]

"damn, they rly removed all the burst with the KB nerfs. Assassiantion flat liner confirmed."

[balmy condor]

correct

[uneven plume]

thought they already nerfed it

[slim hamlet]

That's all the rogue nerfs

[uneven plume]

i guess this reset

[balmy condor]

he's memeing prepatch

[uneven plume]

ahhh

[limber lion]

I mean that nerf has been in place for an eternity

Beta's a thing

[slim hamlet]

How big a nerf was it even

It was some for some

[limber lion]

Gigantic

The spec is dead now

Go next

[slim hamlet]

Thank god

I can finally play mage

[balmy condor]

kingsbane only doing 8% on deathstalker and around 10% on fatebound

[slim hamlet]

Yea spec dead

1 min cooldown only doing 10% of my dmg?

[subtle tundra]

8 to 10% too much

[balmy condor]

was 15% in season 3

mind you this was season 3

so

[subtle tundra]

but im just a hater

[balmy condor]

idk

[slim hamlet]

10.2

[limber lion]

Removed Shadow Dance, removed Nightstalker, MA bad now, Kingsbane nerfed

[balmy condor]

fatebound looking like a buff

[limber lion]

and still 10%

please nerf more

[slim hamlet]

What in the fuck

[limber lion]

gg blizzard

[slim hamlet]

How is PI worse now? Is it just the fact that you get max KB stacks earlier?

[balmy condor]

yeh

you're not getting damage from kb and bleeds

it's envenom

[slim hamlet]

How the fuck is envenom making us spike

Just more energy to spam?

[balmy condor]

but our PI value didn't even change that much I'm gonna be honest

like it's basically equal

[slim hamlet]

[limber lion]

Previously, without lust, you couldn't reach max stacks unless you got PI iirc

[balmy condor]

there's just specs that do it better

[limber lion]

Now you just hit the cap everytime regardless

Lust obviously makes you hit it as well everytime

By just going afk

[balmy condor]

like we're a 5% pi spec but windwalker is 9% or something

so

[slim hamlet]

WINDWALKER?

[limber lion]

Yeh they enjoying

[haughty flicker]

ww scales pretty hard with haste now

[subtle tundra]

like outlaw!

[slim hamlet]

I remember the good old times (of like 1 month ago) when they hated haste

[limber lion]

Sounds like us in Legion

[slim hamlet]

Alright unc

That is like 8 years ago

[limber lion]

And all of a sudden we're THE PI SPEC

and EVERYONE needs MORE and MORE haste on Assa

[slim hamlet]

Imagine if KB scaled directly with haste too

holy

[limber lion]

Imagine if the tick rate scaled with haste and it didn't have partial ticks

So we would have to get to different haste breakpoints

[subtle tundra]

i mean, it kinda sucks to be a haste liking spec cause then you dont really get vers

[limber lion]

to get an extra tick of KB out

[slim hamlet]

holy fuck

I am logging in

When will you make that change Cev?

[limber lion]

I'd give it a few moments

[slim hamlet]

But like make sure that every single point of haste will be 100% useless besides the 1 that pushes you over the edge of getting another tick

[limber lion]

Yeh absolutely

[slim hamlet]

Thank god

[balmy condor]

yeah but then specs that stack vers complain that they're stackin vers so which is it

[limber lion]

Anything between 30-69% haste is useless

But once you hit that 69.1%

oh boy it's go time

[slim hamlet]

holy

I can't wait

[subtle tundra]

id rather not have a stat that gives such a big advantage for surviving

[limber lion]

Then you get an extra tick with lust + pi + haste enchant proc

[slim hamlet]

And that extra tick will even be in this

[limber lion]

and only if the haste enchant procs

[slim hamlet]

holy fuck we gaming

[limber lion]

let's go

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[limber lion]

Either PI is 30% for us or 4%

[slim hamlet]

PI, lust, haste proc

[limber lion]

depending on whether you proc that enchant or not

[slim hamlet]

and we cooking

[slim hamlet]

omg

this is actually demonic

Either you lose 6% dmg my giving us PI or you gain 20%

Gonna be sick

[limber lion]

We love the gamba

[slim hamlet]

You lust in execute for your 4 assa rogues to MAYBE get lucky

[haughty flicker]

i dont think you're allowed to leak the fatebound rework like this

[slim hamlet]

If not all of them hit it you wipe

[subtle tundra]

you guys should become designers

[slim hamlet]

I thought Cev was working on it?

[limber lion]

Yeh just give it a few days

[slim hamlet]

You know maybe I will buy beta then

[limber lion]

Maybe the beta to 15.0

But not 11.0

[slim hamlet]

brb going in cryofreeze till then

[winged quail]

what if we held cd's in execute to wait for a haste proc?

[tall atlas]

boys and not boys youre starting to get me excited i might actually buy this expac

[primal yoke]

is Tight Spender vs Improved Ambust just a preference choice? or is one clearly better?

[spice surge]

Afaik its tied to blindside, if you have blindside you pick imp ambush and if not, then you pick tight spender

[primal yoke]

oh duh that makes sense

[lime crypt]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[lime crypt]

mechanical is goto right

[spice surge]

I'd recommend dragon, but you do you

[final star]

@balmy condor only thing I would say about guide is name of emotes be as full name as possible because new players won't have a clue what they are

will lead to having to refer to a guide for the guide

[royal lantern]

OMG STACKING VERS IS SO GOOD, I GET DMG AND DEFF AT THE SAME TIME

spec is tuned lower for once

WTF VERS SPEC IS SO BAD, THEY ALWAYS S C A L E BAD!!!!!!!!!!

every.single.time

[quaint hull]

😂😂😂😭😭

[candid anvil]

People say it sucks, it just heals you a bit if your health drops below some % I think

I like beast but its really not impactful

[balmy condor]

yeah definitely could be a problem, no confusion around them yet luckily

[slim hamlet]

Well, guessing you still play tight spender in m+ even if you go some blindside build

[slim hamlet]

I also prefer if the name of the talent is just shown instead of the emotes tbh, but that is just until we actually get the hero talents and I get used to the icons

DK FAQ is doing both emote and name and that makes my brain explode for some reason

[chilly karma]

Improved Garrote damage bonus is only when used from stealth not just the no CD part? All bonuses from stealth?

[balmy condor]

correct, no cooldown as well as damage bonus when used from stealth

[chilly karma]

In raid you would probably have to vanish to apply again, correct?

[balmy condor]

every 2 minutes with deathmark yes

[tall atlas]

Do we have any idea what the tier sets are yet

[royal lantern]

yes?

they are on the beta for like, 3months now lol

[spring prawn]

whats the strat to catch up some leveling gear before tww? didnt play DF at all and now my rogue is sitting here w 357 ilvl being sad

cant even do the weekly cuz i did not do the df campaign

[glass hemlock]

Do the pre-patch event?

[junior aurora]

its reworded voti tier

[past forum]

fly around doing the prepatch event and you'll get a full set of 480s ez

[primal yoke]

You have to be hitting your main target directly to get the most out of caustic spatter right? How bad is the damage drop off if you swap targets?

[junior aurora]

well you wont really get any benefit from it if you swap targets

itd be pretty severe

assuming you arent just reapplying spatter to the new target at least

[mossy glen]

is trinket ring actually better than MH first? or is this just assuming I have decent MH

[royal lantern]

its assuming you have a decent MH

cus like, you had 2 raids that dropped a dagger on the first 2 bosses

(and that all doesnt matter anymore anyway)

[shy pecan]

Could always sim, but you should be able to get like eight items with bullions now

[mossy glen]

yea was just curious cuz i only have 2 rn, just trying out several alts

i do have other weapons but for outlaw lol

[royal lantern]

but how do outlaw weapons help on a rogue

[minor finch]

So what broke sin to be huge in beta?

[shy pecan]

A 15% buff usually does that

[minor finch]

Ah wasn’t not aware!

[royal lantern]

no way!!!!!

[shy pecan]

It’s crazy right?!!!!!

[tacit charm]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[fossil oar]

does the wowhead gudie apply to both pre patch and tww?

[shy pecan]

Pre-patch only

[hidden dust]

thoughts on the new sim release? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview#gid=0

[spice surge]

Pointless as usual

[acoustic flicker]

outlaw isnt real

[hidden dust]

can you explain?

[spice surge]

What does this sheet tell you

Because it doesnt tell you whats going to do the most dps in the raid or dungeon

[hidden dust]

it tells me the ceiling for ST dps based on sims

[cerulean walrus]

OuTlAw MoRe DaMaGe

[spice surge]

It doesnt tell you the ceiling for ST dps

Thats not what sims are

[hidden dust]

then what is this telling me?

[spice surge]

Sims are telling you the median

Of all the iteration its doing

So if you assume that all the sims are correct and optimal (not true), and you assume the fights are 5 minute patchwerk fights with no mechanics (not true)

Then yes, this sheet would tell you what spec would on average be the best

[balmy condor]

Izen classic

[hidden dust]

if its the median, and the iterations are consistent wouldnt that make it more impactful as what will be competitive dps

[balmy condor]

Bro does this every beta but it’s always wrong and he’s banned from like half the discords already

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

The “latest sim” thing is basically just trying to discord search for anyone linking anything

The whole thing is so unscientific lmaooo

[tall jay]

https://tenor.com/view/say-it-aint-so-weezer-band-singing-gif-15577270

[hidden dust]

you got a link to his predictions going into DF?

id love to compare them

[tall jay]

Don’t banned the poor guy he seems umm harmless enough lol

[balmy condor]

No I try my best to avoid thinking about him

[runic hinge]

same, but the hat man

[balmy condor]

Idk if he’s banned here tbh but it doesn’t matter cause he’ll find a way regardless

[tall jay]

lol

[balmy condor]

It’s some next level brainrot to be comparing beta sims

And yet every cycle like clockwork some idiot does it

[tall jay]

But but but they are done being balanced!!!! lol 😂

[balmy condor]

Thinking they’re some big information broker

[spice surge]

bro some of those sims he linked arent even sims its just fucking screenshots of raidbots

Thats so cooked its unreal

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I mean he’s got literally zero goodwill with the TC community

He literally just scrapes class discords in hopes it got linked somewhere

I can assure you no one gave him a sim lmao

[cunning cloak]

what does go into "what spec is best" on fights, i know sims aren't good, but what actually makes you say at start of a tier, oh i'm gonna play this spec or that spec?

[balmy condor]

Raid testing gives a pretty good idea typically

Like oh boss flies away a bunch or disappears

Sounds awful for deathstalkers mark

Maybe not

Or smolderon like oh that’s a burst intermission, burst spec time to go sub

You find what the pain points of the fights are

And then you can map a spec onto it

[cunning cloak]

oh so just actually playing the game lol

[spice surge]

ye

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[spice surge]

Sims are usually used to guide how a spec plays, and then comparisons between specs are done ingame/in logs rather than in the sims themselves

Making sims replicate the game 100% accurately is impossible and effectively never happens, even though we try real hard

[cunning cloak]

yeah, i wanna say that ele sims usually pretty good but aren't usually top

[spice surge]

Theres always some bug or interaction somewhere that gets lost that could affect things

Also some classes have or have had sims that do things that humans cant really do ingame reliably (pixel perfect dashing as DH without losing any melee hits as an example)

And some sims have way more people working on them than others which is prone for quality inequality

TLDR: Dont compare sims between classes

[cunning cloak]

yeah, i try to play what i enjoy but the damn fotm bug gets me all the time

[hardy rapids]

caustic spatter + kingsbane is so satisfying

everytime

[hoary remnant]

Rogue had always good theorycrafter for all 3 specs imo. That made it possible to compare the specs with each other. But yeah other classes w/e

[winged kite]

new to as rogue-used a guide online are these alright for gearing /m+

[hardy rapids]

move doom blade and serrated to thrown precision and crimson tempest

[runic hinge]

this is the single target build

[hoary remnant]

If your new to rogue play what talents you find interessting and actually reading the tooltip and not just blindly copy pasting a talent string. Have fun with talents you find interessting and then later check whats best. Thats atleast what I do when I learn a new class. But you should play CT (Crimson tempest) in AOE always. Also for M+ and any aoe always caustic splatter (blade flurry).

[hardy rapids]

yeah that talent tree could use a lot of changes for m+ actually

look at the wowhead m+ builds

[winged kite]

ive read the tooltips? not just blindly copy pasting im new to wow so just doing what i see others do and learning

[runic hinge]

No ic means that's single target

class talents are fine just maybe try something else for the spec talents

[winged kite]

ok ill look into aoe stuff ty

[hoary remnant]

great dont forget to have fun with the different talents. Especially when your new 😉

[hidden dust]

i was curious so im comparing his sims for 10.2 and actual

[hoary remnant]

Kinda troll 10.2 you played sin first 3 weeks of prog since it was broken

So the stats are not really comparable

[hidden dust]

outlaw definitely an outlier but other 2 specs look consistent to his sims

[hoary remnant]

Outlaw had 3 ok bosses. 1,2 and Larodar

That scews results.

[runic hinge]

comparing 5 minute patchwerks to actual raid fights is not good data

[hidden dust]

then what is a better comparison that is actually available?

[hoary remnant]

Play the fights and look at the profile of the classes.

If you have a damage amp sub with on demand burst is always if tuned half decently the best rogue spec.

Sub rogue also loses 0 st when playing aoe. Since you can play st talents.

Sin has really good execute. So if the fight has a long execute phase play sin.

[runic hinge]

look at each fight individually, note classes actual strengths and realise why they might be good on that fight

[hoary remnant]

If you want to improve. I always talk with some people that play my spec and yapp about what could be the best (rogue)) spec for each fight and see what will be actually played.

[hidden dust]

why not just fetch the data from the closest patchwerk fight in that raid and compare?

[hoary remnant]

because not every fight you will have 100% uptime

or not any fight tbf. You will have some downtime.

[runic hinge]

why is patchwerk so important to you? Sin's patchwerk sims in amidrasil were bottom 5 and yet it was a top 3 spec and then got nerfed.

damage profile and add timings and burst phases and execute can mean a lot more than just dps in a straight line

[final star]

Simply realising parchwerk sims aren't too relevant will help you improve

[runic hinge]

simply playing what you enjoy and practicing it will more than likely make you better than just playing whatever sims best every season

[hidden dust]

i think you misunderstand me, im just looking at this objectively

it has nothing to do with my desire to play any class or spec

and the sims are getting a lot of hate but i just want to know how accurate they can be im new to the game

[final star]

Use them as a gearing and rotational aid

Not as the number you will output

[hidden dust]

ofc anyone new to the game or looking to get better shouldnt use any of this verbatim, and that goes for guides or builds on mythicstats and murlok

[final star]

What the fuck is mythicstats and murlok

How far down Google are they

[hidden dust]

great resource sites tbh

[final star]

[hidden dust]

mythicstats aggregates all the raider.io api data by class

https://mythicstats.com/

[runic hinge]

data aggregate snoozer

[final star]

So that is also useless nice

[hidden dust]

seeing the class breakdown by week is useless alright

[final star]

Yes

[hoary remnant]

yes

[hidden dust]

seeing the % distribution of what bullion people got is useless lol?

[final star]

Yes

[hidden dust]

can i see some raider.io profiles

[final star]

Because that information is found here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/67093694#partition=-1

[hidden dust]

cmon your guild is 84 world for t3 but you cant break 3.5 in m+

then yeah thisll be useless for you i guess, mythicstats is great for m+ tho

[final star]

I don't do m+

[hoary remnant]

LOL

[final star]

I also know a thing or two about min maxing dps for speed kills

[runic hinge]

top 100 world but ur bad

[jolly heath]

That take is so based

[hidden dust]

nah i saw your logs

youre a gamer

[hoary remnant]

guys if you raid hof but have not title rio or 3k you must be bad

[jolly heath]

But not even 3.5k io

[hoary remnant]

imagine you like raiding more then m+ minigame

[hidden dust]

he did hit 3.4 in sl tho thats hella gamer status

[final star]

I don't mind keys

3.4 in sl was bad if I recall

[hidden dust]

whats your io for the piss easy mini game?

[final star]

Cos 10 dungeons or some shit

[hidden dust]

was +25 bad for sl? i didnt play

[final star]

But I could get title if I wanted

[amber cobalt]

there's a part of me that wishes CT just put rupture on mobs

[final star]

It's not like it's some unattainable height

[hoary remnant]

idc about rio I like to raid. I did like first 4 weeks of s3 3.5k as sub and outlaw and then stopped

[hidden dust]

link your io

[hoary remnant]

my name is my rio

[runic hinge]

io is the only way to have clout

[hoary remnant]

yeah I forgot. gotta link my rio and worldrank. I might even get a 2nd wife this way or 3rd.

bad rio = bad human

[hidden dust]

nah not thatr

you said 3.5k

[hoary remnant]

yes

[hidden dust]

you barely broke 3.1 and thats s1 df

can you link where you got 3.5?

[hoary remnant]

So you want a tutorial on how to use raider io?

[hidden dust]

yes i do

[gilded jewel]

that gif with the fish react, I think it is a good time to use it

[runic hinge]

took me 4 seconds

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[hoary remnant]

Yeah but its unfair you got a phd from raider io Uni.

[runic hinge]

It's cause i spend more time there than actually in keys

I'm a casual

[hoary remnant]

True you dont high rio now = bad person. We established that. Your washed up 😄

[hidden dust]

yikes why you makin all these assumptions

[hoary remnant]

I played S3 more, because I liked the dungeon pool and the rework. You know you play the game for fun

S4 I dont like the dungeons I play less m+

[nova flax]

io is more time investment than skill xdd

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hoary remnant]

This!

[nova flax]

one day youll learn that

when u get a real job

[hidden dust]

you telling me mythic prog isnt a time investment??

[final star]

[hoary remnant]

Its a fixed and predictable. Like going to the gym. At some point you will see progress and beat the boss.

Rio is unpredictable. You might have 0 prog (more score)

[final star]

@nova flax how has the village idiot stuck this long ffs

[nova flax]

cuz it makes my shitposting even shittier

[final star]

[nova flax]

nothing riles people up quite like the village idiot droppin some unhinged heaters in the chat

[hidden dust]

whats unhinged about saying im unemployed though

[final star]

Unless ur name is foreverguy

[hidden dust]

step it up

[hoary remnant]

I mean our Guild mage currently is umemployed. He now got title this season and last. So case and point.

[nova flax]

ive gotten every title except for this previous one

cuz my job wont let me

[hidden dust]

completely irrelevant

just dont sleep

[hoary remnant]

yeah true. Why sleep. Better yet have a 2nd monitor with the raider io page open

[nova flax]

my point is, dont tell people to "link io" xd

its cring

[hidden dust]

why is it cringe i wanna see if you can back up what youre claiming

you get butthurt over that thats on you

[hoary remnant]

Why man rad implyed no high rio = bad player = bad human

[hoary remnant]

because it takes like 4 seconds to find out

[hidden dust]

no no i never said youre bad if you have low rio

thats your fragile ego assuming that

[hoary remnant]

Its like asking to google who is president of the usa

[hidden dust]

i just wanna see stats

not everyone has their discord name = ign?

[nova flax]

ur in a class discord. chances are if they dont have the community figure or equivalent tag, they cant back it up and shouldnt be entertained

go back to ur keys 😄

[hoary remnant]

I am pretty bad at rogue. If your assuming your not playing for top 10 guild you can always improve.

[runic hinge]

I am bad so you can rio me and shit on me

[hidden dust]

being bad and having a fragile ego are extremely mutually exclusive lmfao

you guys have a good night sorry for asking questions!

its all love

[hoary remnant]

We should pin how to use raider io.

[nova flax]

🤓 everyone should have their rio score and average parse listed in their discord name to be able to type 🤓

[runic hinge]

what if i only do heroic, do i gotta note that?

[nova flax]

absolutely

[final star]

I only do delves

Sorry

Speedrun delver

[nova flax]

highkey boutta be me in TWW

keys r joever for me

im delvin hardcore

[final star]

Getting mad heroic vault loot

[runic hinge]

I'm about to be a hardcore delver

[final star]

[hoary remnant]

What about Magetower pro?

[runic hinge]

i did mage tower once upon a time

[hoary remnant]

You should link that. Next to your lfr parse.

I will link also my lfr parse

[brittle quiver]

for deathmark window, are you looking to spam envenoms if energyallows for it or are you still trying to chain on beta?

[hoary remnant]

spam

in cds go nuts

[runic hinge]

I'm glad i have sparkly kitty but i regret not playing any other class but druid in legion

[desert gate]

working on assassinations playstyle, 530k overall not to bad, definitely need to work on my caustic spatter perhaps?

[runic hinge]

That's pretty good bud

[desert gate]

Ive mained outlaw and sub, for almost 5 years, first time getting back into the feel of assassination, readjusting focus on what to track and not messing up the DM>shiv>KB combo, as easy as it sounds XD

[minor finch]

We flipping a coin or stalking in tww?

[quaint hull]

Id prefer to flip tbh.

[brittle quiver]

seems pretty nice on the target dummy

[minor finch]

I mean stalking a dummy is kinda
Creepy but I flip a coin to make decisions sometimes

[obtuse scroll]

simc

[vivid field]

how do people track garotte and rupture on big aoe pulls?

[normal mist]

mostly WA's

[haughty flicker]

nameplates and feels

put out bleeds till you have enough energy then just kill the pack

[brittle quiver]

plater and then i also have a scent of blood wa tracker

[ripe carbon]

plater for me too. i just add debuff list to only garrote/rupture and rogue stuff and ignore others

[amber cobalt]

Oooh, how do you ignore others?

[ripe carbon]

i think by having whitelist only and adding garrote/rupture/crimson tempest etc

id have to check in wow

whitelist is opposite of blacklist so any spell added in whitelist on whitelist only will only show

wait no i cant see but there is some way

[minor finch]

Other random question. Is rogue broken in pre patch. On raider
Io there like the lowest class

[ripe carbon]

u put plater into 'manual' in buff tracking part and then add debuffs/buffs u want to track

[vivid field]

i see, ty for that

[amber cobalt]

TY!

[ripe carbon]

i havent played m+ assass in a while so i dont really do it anymore but thats how i used to track

[amber cobalt]

nameplate craziness is one of the biggest deterents to me playing melee these days

[ripe carbon]

yea platers way better

u can change icons too to be a bit bigger and stuff but thats harder to explain and i dont remember it

i think its in 'buff settings'

[vivid field]

hmm doesnt seem to work for me :/

using the manual thing

[ripe carbon]

in manual adding buff/debuff?

[vivid field]

yea, idk if im doing something wrong though

[ripe carbon]

mine has it in both buff/debuff

[vivid field]

Ok sick that worked ty!

or maybe I jsut had to reload xD

[ripe carbon]

mines not working but i think its cause my plater isnt updated

ya wokring after i updated

[vivid field]

another question sorry, when do i use ambush and mutilate in aoe?

[ripe carbon]

mm i dunno, i think +3 u fan of knives?

check faq

icyveins says on 3+ targets

i mean icyviens

[prisma iris]

correct me if im wrong but you want to ambush as your opener if you go deathstalker and then mutilate as your builder til everyone has it while rupturing

then when the stealth window closes or everyone has mutilate you can fan

[hexed frost]

When we're running single shiv, we're still doing DM->Shiv->Kingsbane right?

The kingsbane Nerf so bad that last tick no longer matters?

[runic hinge]

No you should hold for the last 8 seconds

[hexed frost]

But pins say otherwise

Confushoon

[slate crown]

That comment is for double shiv.

You hold for last 8 seconds like Tony said, the on CD after that

[vivid field]

is there a way to track caustic spatter? through plater or a weakaura?

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

Most of them should have it

If not all

[glass hemlock]

Hey rogue friends, I’m an M+ only player who hasn’t been a part of start of expansion before.
What’s the gearing process after we hit 80? Like optimally? Or we don’t know until the expac releases?

[covert jewel]

heroics

prob rares

[prisma iris]

run heroics. if i recall correctly mythic plus doesnt start til a week or two after launch

[covert jewel]

3 weeks

[glass hemlock]

Awesome thank you. Heroics and maybe world bosses?

[covert jewel]

at df launch there were a lot of rares u could squeeze some upgrades from, ppl were all around the isles hunting them

[delicate gull]

remember that 1 rare in horse zone that dropped the pants or belt without mainstat? World hopping to try and get more chances for a few days. So sweaty for almost no reason.

[desert gate]

I remember spending every waking minute farming rares for bis gear pre m0s and raid, only for it to be replaced pretty much immediately haha

[hexed frost]

Bruh the rare farming at start of dragonflight still gives me ptsd

Non stop gnoll rare farming

When I completed main quest every plate wearer I knew was 382 and above

[tranquil gulch]

Are druid tanks doing a lot of damage right now

[covert jewel]

at elast world felt alive-ish

[haughty flicker]

more than just -ish

the game was popping off

[hexed frost]

yeah that's true though

[covert jewel]

im not sure if bug or intented interraction but. when getting both coins after deathmark with edge case passive, neither double jeopardy or inevitability give "guaranteed" coins, as if game doesnt know which one was "last flip".

[balmy condor]

Double jeopardy never gives guaranteed matched to the last flip for what it’s worth

It only matches to itself

But yes, thats why we don’t cold blood before deathmark

[covert jewel]

but i cb after

[balmy condor]

Oh you mean like edge case, you get the coins, and then it doesn’t flip, yeah that’s known

[delicate gull]

yo, ngl, assassination rotation is BUSY in M+ with what feels like a ton of variation. How often are you all just letting Indiscriminate carnage spread rupture and garrotte? 20% of the time?

[smoky sequoia]

how to deal low energy on ST?

[blazing plaza]

hey what is the best embelishment on beta?

[balmy condor]

You always make use of carnage whenever possible

[balmy condor]

You don’t, that’s by design

[balmy condor]

No one knows, embellishments are giga fucked and untuned

[smoky sequoia]

damn im gonna stack haste lets see

[balmy condor]

That’s not gonna help