kindred breach
Yes, they just add beta changes to prepatch
#assassination
lean aurora
did something in beta not make it into the 11.0.2? I had assumed that if there were plans for nerfing assa, they would put them into the next patch for live
balmy condor
Buffs and bug fixes
But they definitely wouldn’t have put nerfs onto live servers
They don’t tune for prepatch
Prepatch is a mess and they just leave it as a mess because it’s pointless to do any changes
willow rapids
More bug fixes plx
atomic creek
They don’t tune for prepatch
Is that why the nerfed classes fully align with the top 6 DPS in pre patch?
potent dagger
What build was you playin when you made the +12 Mist @keen mantle ? Bleed ?
balmy condor
Is that why the nerfed classes fully align with the top 6 DPS in pre patch?
They got nerfed on beta 
There’s good chance that if something’s strong in prepatch it could be strong in beta
But they tune beta
keen mantle
What build was you playin when you made the +12 Mist <@229386660326932481> ? Ble...
On YouTube video there’s the talents screenshot shown in first 5 seconds
Not a sellout I’m just on mobile and it’s hard haha
potent dagger
On YouTube video there’s the talents screenshot shown in first 5 seconds
I will take a look, thanks
candid hull
Respect
atomic creek
They got nerfed on beta <:Shrug:1198274015798763632>
Yes, a Beta patch that will go on live servers the 13th, literally the next possible reset
balmy condor
Idk what your point is
atomic creek
That they 100% look at pre patch stats to determine changes
atomic creek
You're honestly gullible if you think they don't. There is nowhere near enough participation and testing on Beta to determine it purely based on Beta stats
balmy condor
That’s why they’re adding the beta tuning, based around hero talents, which aren’t available on prepatch, to prepatch
Makes sense
atomic creek
Most of the Rogue changes aren't hero talent based my guy
A flat 14% ability damage increase is not a hero talent based change
atomic creek
They don't ignore Beta, because of course they fucking don't. But thinking they don't look at pre patch to determine buffs or nerfs to damage is just stupid
balmy condor
Okay thanks for your opinion
atomic creek
No problem, always happy to provide
brazen sluice
They don't ignore Beta, because of course they fucking don't. But thinking they ...
Relying on pre patch to buff hero talents is stupid
atomic creek
Did you just not read anything I said?
brazen sluice
Did you just not read anything I said?
I did and ur point is stupid
atomic creek
Of course they look at Beta for those changes, but they 100% look at pre patch for damage buffs or nerfs to existing shit
brazen sluice
Of course they look at Beta for those changes, but they 100% look at pre patch f...
Its looks like ur new to wow mate
potent dagger
Did you just not read anything I said?
Do you just have an idea of how cocky you currently are ? I almost peed myself reading you XD
balmy condor
Yeah lord forbid a class is overpowered for 2 weeks before an expansion
In a post-season
atomic creek
Its looks like ur new to wow mate
Been playing since TBC mate, and they quite literally do that every single expansion
brazen sluice
Been playing since TBC mate, and they quite literally do that every single expan...
Then obv u dont know how things work
atomic creek
Ironic
royal lantern
been playing since TBC, i can gurantee you that they DONT do that lol
brazen sluice
been playing since TBC, i can gurantee you that they DONT do that lol
😂👍🏽
atomic creek
You can go through it and look at Pre patch stats and compare them to launch patch nerfs. You'll find interesting correlation there
hollow river
if they gave a single shit about prepatch they wouldn't have changed armor with 11.0.0
they would've waited til launch
brazen sluice
You can go through it and look at Pre patch stats and compare them to launch pat...
I call this hmm if u have no idea act like ur one of the devs
royal lantern
like, just as an example rn
"a flat 14% ability damace increase is not a hero talent based change"
balmy condor
This 50% spread is totally reasonable and reliable data guys, blizzard is on the case to tune it, shadir said so, pack it up
royal lantern
did you see our hero talents?
royal lantern
where 70% of the stuff in it is "base abilitys are stronger"
bitter trout
This 50% spread is totally reasonable and reliable data guys, blizzard is on the...
Looking for outlaw 
balmy condor
Looking for outlaw <:Hmm:1230855197266411601>
Off the screen
atomic creek
Again, if you think they don't look at it, you're gullible
brazen sluice
These 1:30 minute kills
Man when ppl come play wow after they play mario this what happens
balmy condor
Gullible implies someone convinced me
pliant remnant
tbf can we delete those destro buffs if they're tuning by beta numbers
atomic creek
Beta is exclusive to people who are willing to pay a lot of money and within that range there is a smaller percentage actually testing what would help them. They don't have enough people participating to purely base it off of Beta
brazen sluice
Beta is exclusive to people who are willing to pay a lot of money and within tha...
Bruh bruh another false info
Not all beta players paied for it
balmy condor
There’s a difference between common sense and being gullible. For example, saying that they obviously don’t tune prepatch is common sense, if I said Shadir is right, I would be gullible
See the difference?
potent dagger
Beta is exclusive to people who are willing to pay a lot of money and within tha...
Did you never heard about the principle of "OPEN" Beta ? XD
atomic creek
Yes, let's ignore the main point of what I said to try and argue something else
brazen sluice
Yes, let's ignore the main point of what I said to try and argue something else
When ur point is wrong dont take it personally
balmy condor
And a fuck ton of people taking a break and dicking around
atomic creek
Damage, which is what they're changing
balmy condor
Okay so you’re just stupid then or what
brazen sluice
Okay so you’re just stupid then or what
Loooool
atomic creek
Whatever helps you sleep at night
balmy condor
What about prepatch is in any way a reliable metric for damage
zenith hatch
Oh no... outlaws already flooded this place
hollow river
potent dagger
2 min kills is not representative of anything, it just favor burst , so if that data is relevant, please insanely buff outlaw, we are too bad then XD
brazen sluice
2 min kills is not representative of anything, it just favor burst , so if that ...
😂😂😂😂
balmy condor
2 min kills is not representative of anything, it just favor burst , so if that ...
True and real
hollow river
there's just too many differences to reliably use any data from prepatch
balmy condor
The burst specs getting off a bloodlust burst are definitely not skewing the numbers whatsoever
hollow river
stat values will be different, base character level will be different, all kinds of shit
royal lantern
2 min kills is not representative of anything, it just favor burst , so if that ...
we push fyrakk so fast that i dont even have my cds for intermission
tindral 2nd bomb set? doesnt even exists rn
balmy condor
there's just too many differences to reliably use any data from prepatch
Wdym, shaman trees are fine bro
royal lantern
atomic creek
If you think it's a coincidence thay the top 6, which are 10% ahead of 7th, on pre patch got nerfed and buffs start at 7 & 8, I don't know what to tell you
balmy condor
hollow river
Wdym, shaman trees are fine bro
meow?
brazen sluice
If you think it's a coincidence thay the top 6, which are 10% ahead of 7th, on p...
If u think blizzard buffs top 6 coz of their damage in prepatch idk what to tell u
potent dagger
The whole point of the damage tuning is to take all the variable in account, and on the prepatch we have a leg cutted since we have no acess to Hero talent for now. It would be from a company perspective a loss of resources to try balancing something this way ...
blazing plaza
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atomic creek
If u think blizzard buffs top 6 coz of their damage in prepatch idk what to tell...
Like I said, they have done this and will continue to do so
royal lantern
Like I said, they have done this and will continue to do so
they literally never did
royal lantern
and idk where you get that from
balmy condor
And then 6 weeks later
They can move that tuning on beta
Back over to the prepatch
royal lantern
and i shit on blizzard and their balance desicions ALLOT
brazen sluice
Like I said, they have done this and will continue to do so
Bro now im 100% ur new just take a breath and go back playing minecraft
atomic creek
You mean the patch that becomes live next reset?
balmy condor
Prepatch, yes
potent dagger
It shows even no logic at all, look like a platist theory on damage balancing to me 😄
brazen sluice
It shows even no logic at all, look like a platist theory on damage balancing to...
Ikr
balmy condor
The expansion ain’t out for another 2 weeks
They legit just copy pasted all of beta onto live
atomic creek
No shit
atomic creek
On certain stuff yes
balmy condor
I fucking can’t anymore
atomic creek
I am being honest, you want me to lie and say I fully agree?
bleak orchid
assa will be low compared to other in everything below +10 keys
balmy condor
No I want you to smash your brain cells together and have some lucidity
atomic creek
Well. Can't help you there
brazen sluice
No I want you to smash your brain cells together and have some lucidity
Cba arguing with braindeads
balmy condor
Honesty does nothing for me if the logic doesn’t exist
atomic creek
Gotta be willing to understand the logic to see it
brazen sluice
Have a good day however
Bye
balmy condor
You’re arguing that they’d use an incredibly skewed set of metrics from an expansion that will cease to exist in 2 weeks, used that to tune beta for the last couple months, and only now are transferring it back over to prepatch
royal lantern
inc: rogue discord is toxic
hollow river
they've specifically been making these changes over the past weeks on the Beta, adjusting the nobs again and again. do you really think they've made weeks of changes based on data from people not testing the changes as they went?
it makes zero sense
brazen sluice
inc: rogue discord is toxic
Only woth ppl with no logic
potent dagger
No point in contuing talking then right?
balmy condor
You’re arguing that they’d use an incredibly skewed set of metrics from an expan...
Cause if they did use prepatch for numbers right, why would they not add their tuning to prepatch
What reason would they have not to
It would make their tuning a lot easier, they could see the numbers update
shut canopy
happy friday guys
autumn frost
I still remember being told to use exsanguinate before deathmark to up damage, but it turned out it was bugged or something.
balmy condor
But instead you’re saying they blindly tune a different version of the game using data from the old game
balmy condor
I mean you still wanted to Exsanguinate before deathmark to up damage
autumn frost
You guys are right about a lot of things!
But the devs have a wild factor of crazy to them.
autumn frost
Yes because of bugs.
balmy condor
????
autumn frost
Bugs = Crazy!
Drive me crazy
drive everyone insane
Also half the dps changes are bug fixes
What is the saying?
It's not a bug it's a feature.
grim jay
Has fried take friday already started?
balmy condor
But the exsang bug didn’t change how you played
grim jay
balmy condor
What are you on about
bitter trout
Has fried take friday already started?
You're late buddy
royal lantern
Has fried take friday already started?
can we get Flat Fuck Friday instead?
autumn frost
i'm a bit loopy
shut canopy
can we get Flat Fuck Friday instead?
🐊
autumn frost
i'm still trying to finish up work. Ignore me.
balmy condor
Gladly
autumn frost
I'm still just annoyed about the exsanguinate bug.
And took it as an opportunity to bring it up
balmy condor
Hope you wake up from your coma soon
bitter trout
Hope you wake up from your coma soon
grim jay
can we get Flat Fuck Friday instead?
shut canopy
how tf are they so flat
balmy condor
This channel feels like I’m playing cod zombies sometimes man
Gonna take a shower and think about my choices in life that brought me here
grim jay
This channel feels like I’m playing cod zombies sometimes man
But you didnt pack-a-punch your weapons
And are already deep into the run
bitter trout
Buddy is on round 12 with the pistol he spawned in with
eager thunder
Assa are good for m+ !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duitt_1audA&t=1447s
No nerf before release?
subtle tundra
i will fucking bust my brain open
queen egret
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subtle tundra
thanks
grim jay
i will fucking bust my brain open
Hit it with a kingsbane
subtle tundra
absolutely everyone who plays beta keeps spamming assa is completely op
but the same people never say a thing when mage is
or a warlock is
or sp is
cause casters get cuck privilage
hollow river
Assa are good for m+ !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duitt_1audA&t=1447s
No...
is it just me or
all i see is a DH beating assa in ST
rotund oak
this channel gonna get infested with pirate padders
grim jay
Id argue its overall a pretty good dungeon for sin and one dungeon isnt really enough data. Sin for sure is a top spec potentially, but ive seen many overalls lately showing different things
potent dagger
The flow of the spec is still great, buttttt the removal of acro just hit the spec so much :/
grim jay
The flow of the spec is still great, buttttt the removal of acro just hit the sp...
Dont start it
It will only hurt you
subtle tundra
holy shit outlaws
potent dagger
I am already hurting myself XD
rotund oak
we gonna have this from now on
subtle tundra
all i see is crying about acro
rotund oak
potent dagger
we gonna have this from now on
Maybe yeah ^^
hollow river
at the timestamp that was posted dh ended up beating rogue on last boss as far as i can tell
potent dagger
True :p
grim jay
at the timestamp that was posted dh ended up beating rogue on last boss as far a...
He meant it aint ST
Because it has add spawns
keen mantle
at the timestamp that was posted dh ended up beating rogue on last boss as far a...
So dealing 208m instead of 204m is considered a difference ?
That could be bad kill timer or sth
hollow river
why are we taking my random comment so seriously sir
keen mantle
But Assa has same st as all other specs in beta kinda
rotund oak
isnt sub stronger st for m+
hollow river
i was making a joke because of the poor taste of "omg rogue broken"
keen mantle
I just make clear st of Assa is totally fine , prolly you didn’t mean that way
subtle tundra
But Assa has same st as all other specs in beta kinda
you know when they nerf our aoe it will also nerf our ST
so when we will do inline aoe we will do dog st
hollow river
yeh there's 0 seriousness behind anything i say concerning pve
keen mantle
I could accept some crimson tempest and caustic spatter nerf
subtle tundra
outlaw design infecting other specs was a mistake
keen mantle
So it doesn’t affect st
hollow river
i haven't done pve since SL
keen mantle
yeh there's 0 seriousness behind anything i say concerning pve
Mb then sorry
royal lantern
too bad st and aoe are linked
....reduce the % on spatter?
like, ik you love to doom varas
but thats unreasonable, even for you lol
subtle tundra
i have 0 trust in blizz
doing these kind of balancings
only thing they can do properly is aura buffs
zinc frost
i haven't done pve since SL
I miss SL rogue ngl, last time we saw Ryfie 
hollow river
I miss SL rogue ngl, last time we saw Ryfie <:beansadge:837651971490054254>
yep 
only pve rogue i ever really watched do keys
crude topaz
Hello everyone, I have a quick question regarding bleed maintenance in aoe scenarios. Do you maintain garrote/rupture via vanish for IC when they're about to fall off mid pack or just manually tab target reapply?
hexed beacon
Is it finally time to play rogue again in tww ? 🫣
wooden perch
is there a way to make my garrote/rupture glow on my plater nameplate when they reach 6s?
balmy condor
yep <:Sadge:1232378218322067458>
Sir your sadge is melting
crude topaz
midway into the pack should be fok=>tap bleeds
so then when would you vanish to reapply?
subtle tundra
if you like rogue, yea
if you want to cause assa is op rn then probably no, that can change at any moment we can become dogshit
balmy condor
is there a way to make my garrote/rupture glow on my plater nameplate when they ...
There’s plater mods for that
crude topaz
is there a way to make my garrote/rupture glow on my plater nameplate when they ...
there is a plater mod called pandemic glow that does exactly that.
hexed beacon
if you like rogue, yea
if you want to cause assa is op rn then probably no, that...
I absolutely love rogue. 😁
rotund oak
so then when would you vanish to reapply?
if u are into a next pack and didnt restealth or adds spawning into a boss or certain packs that require more dmg to die
wooden perch
sick ty guys
subtle tundra
im an avid believer on playing what you like
rotund oak
dont rly think about it,send vanish as much as u can,jsut not into half way packs
u wont take the full dmg out of them
crude topaz
if u are into a next pack and didnt restealth or adds spawning into a boss or ce...
got'cha. My question relates also to the fact that garrote has 5 sec cd now and I have to disregard pandemic windows to reapply outside of IC
rotund oak
got'cha. My question relates also to the fact that garrote has 5 sec cd now and ...
unless its a life or death situation to save ur group yeah maybe press it for that silence but in generla dont think of stopping casts alone,its a group effort 😉
crude topaz
sorry, i'm being stupid. I'm referring to the talent that adds garrote/rupture to 2 more targets, not necessarily for the silence element
balmy condor
Garrote doesn’t have a cooldown when used from stealth
crude topaz
yes. So you apply once in the post stealth window and every mob is covered. But then it starts having a CD and they're more or less falling off at the same time. How do u deal with reapplication then?
balmy condor
You just spread ruptures for the most part
If you super need the energy you can garrote
But at that point you’re playing for caustic and prepping yourself for the end of the pack
Rupture and garrote are just energy generation, and scent of blood stacks if you’re talented into it
wooden perch
can someone send me their pandemic glow script cause i imported some but the garrote part of it is not really working proper
potent dagger
!cev
crude topaz
Rupture and garrote are just energy generation, and scent of blood stacks if you...
I see. Thanks a lot Whispyr, I was always fearing that after the first application I'll have a major dmg loss because I can't maintain garrotes up on all targets
potent dagger
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limber lion
lmao
potent dagger
Thank Cev ^^
potent dagger
My command at least summoned you 😄
limber lion
Yeah I'm a lurker now
wooden perch
balmy condor
I see. Thanks a lot Whispyr, I was always fearing that after the first applicati...
Nah, that’s mostly community Bigfoot
Everyone says they’ve seen the dps loss because they can’t stealth
But no one has been able to prove it’s real
royal lantern
Nah, that’s mostly community Bigfoot
.......real, but the lizard people at the top try to hide the truth?
quiet oar
.......real, but the lizard people at the top try to hide the truth?
Hey,
my friends want to know where you are
They just want to talk
paper arch
There are 3 builds currently for m+ category on wowhead. Which one is considered "the best one" for now?
steel ridge
i think whispyr said something along the lines that hybrid is the best simming one in almost every situation., very close behind cleave (essentially raid build) in prio dmg. the pure bleed build kinda drops alot of prio.
autumn birch
Do i use garotte before deathmark? i seem to do more dmg when i am using it after deathmark...
steel ridge
hybrid being the one with Kingsbane, DTB, carnage and Sudden Demise
steel ridge
Do i use garotte before deathmark? i seem to do more dmg when i am using it afte...
wtf
i want you to reevaluate your life decisions if you dont have garrote up when going into deathmark.
autumn birch
yeah i have it up from opening
steel ridge
if you are talking about refreshing it via vanish
you do it kinda within dm to not have vanish desync even more.
you want to have vanish available for you second deathmark
autumn birch
so the basic burst looks like: vanish, garotte, dm, shiv with tea and kingsbane?
and then the second shiv after it runs out
steel ridge
currently on prepatch you would open with gar, er, rupture, snd, mutilate, envenom (landing at animacharge), dm, shiv, kingsbane
after that you would vanish and garrote again after a bit, dunno what the optimal time is
probably very minor optimization
as long as you have improved garrote for the entire dm, you are fine
steel ridge
next dm you have to hold for a few seconds and refresh garrote via vanish before dm
so the longer you wait in opener, the longer you have to hold second cd
so thats kinda where it comes down to timing and shit
autumn birch
last test it was like 5-6 seconds delay
steel ridge
np
balmy condor
Hybrid > cleave > bleed overall
Hybrid > bleed > cleave prio
Cleave >= hybrid > bleed boss
@steel ridge
quiet oar
And what is the Build for most selfharm?
quiet oar
asking for a friend
paper arch
what key lvls
15 and higher
potent raven
idk
hybrid prob then
id not go cleave ever in my life
u just lose so much
esp on fort
paper arch
I will start with bleed probably
potent raven
thats my nelth 15
w/ bleed (thats a v good bleed key)
but i also missed out on a lot of dps cuz my dk was just melting everything
steel ridge
i would just go hybrid all the time
paper arch
Switching from outlaw cause its fcking dead right now
balmy condor
always go ct even on tyrannical
Well yeah that much is obvious
paper arch
thats my nelth 15
Nice, thats hybrid?
steel ridge
since its the most well rounded, the added zoldyck and shiv aoe is not really a game changer since you dont feel it. but the faster opening with bonespike does come in handy
potent raven
ull lose out a lot of boss dps but its w/e
balmy condor
And what is the Build for most selfharm?
Outlaw if you can trust those guys
steel ridge
Switching from outlaw cause its fcking dead right now
didnt it get revived with the ace up your sleeve nerf revert?
quiet oar
Outlaw if you can trust those guys
Im not sure anymore, there was a time where i would trust them
but i dont think the time is now
potent raven
outlaw is bad just bcuz the pulls in the dungeons in higher keys r big and outlwa has 8 target cap
pretty much
balmy condor
potent raven
it can be good in like rlp mayb
steel ridge
hard cope
potent raven
shit spec rather play warrior or something
steel ridge
i raise you the +30 throne of the tides that was done by our trusty triple outlaw setup
quiet oar
that really hard cope
steel ridge
zac, zeross and casual
grim jay
outlaw is bad just bcuz the pulls in the dungeons in higher keys r big and outlw...
I thought its because they dont have acro
paper arch
Does assa have cap?
chilly herald
Given they want us to pull 5 mobs at a time in TWW, not that bad for Outlaw
paper arch
Soft or not
quiet oar
Soft
steel ridge
throne had relatively small pulls dude lol
aha
paper arch
To 8?
quiet oar
outlaw was good in s3
Still not meta
steel ridge
like a mate of mine said
steel ridge
the problem with mplusser is, they identify as their idols and start arguing from a standpoint thats not theirs.
potent raven
outlaw isnt good it wont ever be until they increase cap to like 10 at least, maybe add range back
grim jay
steel ridge
outlaw isnt good it wont ever be until they increase cap to like 10 at least, ma...
jesus
chilly herald
Oh, that range nerf true
paper arch
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DANFVVFBRRUVViRFDQRANVUV...
Thanks
grim jay
It really is fried take friday
potent raven
its just not optimal i think
assa way better anyway
ive played outlaw a lot in s3
quiet oar
It really is fried take friday
I mean you were feeding into it
potent raven
just gave up on it
thought im in assa chat and suddenly im getting shit on for hating outlaw
grim jay
I mean you were feeding into it
I thought people gave up on that nonsense
Especially if they arent yellow
steel ridge
thought im in assa chat and suddenly im getting shit on for hating outlaw
you are getting shit for fried cooks, not for being in assa chat
potent raven
ye but u havent said anything back so
steel ridge
not everyone in here is an outlaw hater
potent raven
tell me where im wrong exactly
quiet oar
Especially if they arent yellow
I think you should be yellow, for how often you mention acro ngl
potent raven
like acro removal and the overall changes made outlaw a bad pick rn am i wrong or
quiet oar
Acro made it less appealing ye
grim jay
I think you should be yellow, for how often you mention acro ngl
I dont hate on it tho.
And I dont hate myself enough
quiet oar
but increasing target cap to 10
steel ridge
tell me where im wrong exactly
that outlaw is ultimately useless in "high keys" because of its target cap, its simply not true. the fact everyone is running assassination in S4 is tuning related more than toolkit related.
quiet oar
will not fix anything
If outlaw is tuned good enough
it can perform even with 8 targets
grim jay
Saying outlaw wont ever be good is kinda weird considering they were meta with caps
quiet oar
it always boils down to Tuning
steel ridge
i remember the most tryhard assassination lover (zerocool) learning outlaw in S3 because it was superior in every way
potent raven
not denying that just saying its not ideal rn lol
steel ridge
especially in survivability
potent raven
trust me bro i was a hard outlaw fan i just think its not optimal to play it atm
steel ridge
acro removal is the biggest crime they have ever committed
grim jay
Nah its fine
steel ridge
it needs buffs
nobody was talking about tuning
grim jay
Didnt miss it the entire time we didnt play it
steel ridge
you were talking about 8 target cap, which is not affected by tuning
blizzard made it clear, that outlaw is capped and stays capped until it doesnt.
quiet oar
steel ridge
kekw
steel ridge
why would it change
grim jay
Its just a myth that capped specs cant be meta with bigger pulls being a part
steel ridge
its just community blabla
grim jay
Ye
potent raven
im fotm player i wouldnt get that bro
just made a mage
boutta get 4k rio in few days
balmy condor
Its just a myth that capped specs cant be meta with bigger pulls being a part
Nah dude can’t be
steel ridge
wait till he finds out firemage is undertuned in prepatch and living bomb is target capped
balmy condor
Outlaw has been target capped for so long
And think about all the times it hasn’t been meta
quiet oar
Its just a myth that capped specs cant be meta with bigger pulls being a part
Whats next? You telling me Restealth dont matter as Sin !?
steel ridge
Whats next? You telling me Restealth dont matter as Sin !?
next time you learn that pickpocket in dungeons is not buffing crimson vial
patent pelican
And think about all the times it hasn’t been meta
balmy condor
Bro you gotta believe me
Capped specs are never meta except for the times where they are
hearty reef
🧢
balmy condor
outlaw could never compete
balmy condor
except all the times where it did
quiet oar
📸
hearty reef
Snapped
steel ridge
whenever someone pulls the meta in high keys card
balmy condor
bro but that's just memes bro man
royal lantern
Capped specs are never meta except for the times where they are
bro, capped specs are always bad bro, they can never be meta bro
what, SL S1? what?
grim jay
got me
Wait until they finally hit you with the heavy movement sims that show the undeniable insane impact of acro removal
balmy condor
or like bfa s2, the biggest aoe affix we've ever seen with reaping
legit pad city
and highest keys were double outalw
steel ridge
bro, capped specs are always bad bro, they can never be meta bro
what, SL S1? w...
lmao yes
potent raven
lol hf with ur capped specs plebs
hearty reef
I like restealths
grim jay
and highest keys were double outalw
Yeah double outlaw because then there was outlaw hitting 16 targets which is basically uncapped
potent raven
SAME
balmy condor
exactly bro
quiet oar
Yeah double outlaw because then there was outlaw hitting 16 targets which is bas...
TRUE
steel ridge
Yeah double outlaw because then there was outlaw hitting 16 targets which is bas...
impeccable math
steel ridge
ez filter
balmy condor
un = not
quiet oar
A = B
steel ridge
whisypr = cute
balmy condor
damn
quiet oar
Davyn = Boomer
steel ridge
wdym
steel ridge
dude
grim jay
impeccable math
Finally solved the unsolvable
quiet oar
Imagine getting that old
steel ridge
what is this age shaming
quiet oar
subtle tundra
thats like being 50
grim jay
davyn oldge
It just took me so long to do the outlaw math
steel ridge
cries in 34
quiet oar
*cries in 34*
patent pelican
🚫+🧢 = meta?
grim jay
That I aged inside
balmy condor
what is this age shaming
I worry about his health man, once you get to that age you gotta start worrying
autumn birch
maybe i am stupid but: i dont get the opener to work. gar, er, rup, snd is not possible because i have no cps left after the rupture to use snd! Do i miss something?
balmy condor
you're not running bone spike
if you don't use bone spike, you'd have to mut once after the rup
steel ridge
I worry about his health man, once you get to that age you gotta start worrying
ye man, once you smashed the 30-barrier and you stand up in the morning, not feeling any pain, you most likely are dead
grim jay
imagine bein 28 yo
Im closing the gap in december
steel ridge
maybe i am stupid but: i dont get the opener to work. gar, er, rup, snd is not p...
bonespike
grim jay
Bit by bit
steel ridge
you are most likely lacking bonespike
quiet oar
if you don't use bone spike, you'd have to mut once after the rup
You can use my Bone Spike
balmy condor
has anyone shown up yet asking why their dps has gone up btw
balmy condor
true
steel ridge
sin ded
autumn birch
oh yes i dont playwith bonespike... hybrid build dont uses bonespike
steel ridge
it should
balmy condor
I would recommend
subtle tundra
isnt sub also strong numbers wise? its just that assa is OP
steel ridge
wait what
balmy condor
isnt sub also strong numbers wise? its just that assa is OP
yeah but playing sub is also really fucking hard
none of the cds line up and you gotta jump through a billion hoops
steel ridge
nobody jumps through hoops like sub does
quiet oar
never go out without a proper boner
True
quiet oar
📸
autumn birch
so i use bonespike over amplifying poison?
steel ridge
what kind of talent build did you copy
or did your cat run over the keyboard and stumbled in some talents
grim jay
yeah but playing sub is also really fucking hard
Idk DB is pretty zZzZ, but you could also just have fun with sin if you play a 2min spec anyways
And sin is a better 2 min spec
potent raven
no zoldyck ripppppppppp
steel ridge
current build
you could do that
steel ridge
its good if u want some prio
didnt find the way to alter time?
grim jay
you could do that
I kinda like the no amp version
autumn birch
Well pretty new to dragonflight rogue... so i just used some build from wowhead to start somewhere
steel ridge
I kinda like the no amp version
well idk, i am just yapping
potent raven
ye u yap too much
autumn birch
What build would you recommend to start?
balmy condor
the wowhead builds are fine
we're just offering something wit bone spike
cause it helps speed up the opener
autumn birch
ah alright
steel ridge
Well pretty new to dragonflight rogue... so i just used some build from wowhead ...
thats the bonespike hybrid from the guide, it doesnt use amp poison
royal lantern
god i hate discord mobile so much
grim jay
Why tho
quiet oar
god i hate discord mobile so much
*god i hate discord so much
potent raven
yea theyve made it horribe over the past months
steel ridge
ye u yap too much
didnt know the yapping police is here
autumn birch
thats the bonespike hybrid from the guide, it doesnt use amp poison
i will try it out. thought ampli poison would be a must
grim jay
i will try it out. thought ampli poison would be a must
Not anymore
quiet oar
didnt know the yapping police is here
Calm down and drink your Yappucino
royal lantern
Why tho
scroll trought the chat and every SMALL movment to the left instantly drags the chat of somebody for a reply
quiet oar
steel ridge
kb is kinda meh now
what poison you run has no effect on kingsbane, its just important you have any double poison applied.
grim jay
scroll trought the chat and every SMALL movment to the left instantly drags the ...
You might wanna work on your finger technique 
it never happens to me
quiet oar
You might wanna work on your finger technique <:nomf:1265353614671613962> it nev...
But you are training with me a lot
its not fair
royal lantern
You might wanna work on your finger technique <:nomf:1265353614671613962> it nev...
im sweating at work
thats why
grim jay
Maybe tryan needs to join in on the lessons
royal lantern
grim jay
im sweating at work
Skill issue
steel ridge
tryan is drilling holes into metal plates
grim jay
Just dont sweat
steel ridge
let him do the thing
grim jay
Just be like me
grim jay
Idk that one is way too cold on any setting below 22
autumn birch
is it a good idea to macro thistle tea into a skill? like shiv?
steel ridge
is it a good idea to macro thistle tea into a skill? like shiv?
no
potent raven
yeah im freezing sometimes need to turn it off
steel ridge
you want to get 100 energy out of thistle tea
autumn birch
so i better use it to extend the envenom chain?
potent raven
just make sure to not overcap your energy
grim jay
But my office sometimes is just like home. AC for hot days, heated floor for the winter and noone disturbs me if I dont open the door
steel ridge
so i better use it to extend the envenom chain?
the envenom chain thing is not that relevant in TWW anymore, the tierset is gone soon
its just a 10% increase on envenom now
potent raven
really have the urge to play some assa keys rn
might do it actually
see how long it takes to get an inv to a 16 or some shit
steel ridge
better get that rio up 2 weeks before expansion launch
potent raven
yea there are nerds that do
steel ridge
thats what i am wondering
potent raven
lmao
quiet oar
LIke waiting times need to be so long atm
Even our Guild made a break
and we usually never do breaks
Prolly didnt log in for 2 weeks now
final star
we only log in to sell fyrakk
potent raven
yeah everyones taking a break atm until tww
final star
literally pointless otherwise
potent raven
n yea same we only log to sell fyrakk p much
normal mist
They are probably seeing other people @quiet oar
steel ridge
we only raided one day a week for month now and stopped entirely until season 1 launches
final star
we do 2x fyrakk skip runs and then close the game
quiet oar
They are probably seeing other people <@157187423950864386>
There is only 1 person in our guild
that wants to raid atm
final star
but we also made gold cap each anyway
steel ridge
ye we filled guildbank and made some cash for the raiders and thats about it
normal mist
that wants to raid atm
An alt?
steel ridge
i am waiting to splurge all the gold into crafting on launch 😄
final star
bit more
normal mist
She only plays her Holy pala
She probably just wanted to play with her friends
potent raven
hm
final star
3-4M
quiet oar
She probably just wanted to play with her friends
She just wants to play WoW
its really easy as that
normal mist
Damn
potent raven
tell her to hit me up
quiet oar
But nobody else wants to play it
I mean why would you
Everything is bugged
Your classes/specs get butchered or changed with hero talents anyways
Like the DF Prepatch in Sl was smoother
(and you had dungeons you didnt do before and riads had affixes)
dark crag
If you don't track that you won't get disappointed
quiet oar
If you don't track that you won't get disappointed
TURE
If you never enter a key, you cant deplete it
dark crag
True and real
quiet oar
cold rampart
shiv on cd?
potent raven
nice name
subtle kiln
finally outlaw is bad and now the PIRATES are complaining so SAD, just admit it the dot spec is finally good lmao! ! enjoy the normal APM losers and buckle in for a sinful season!
balmy condor
shiv on cd?
Shiv with kingsbane typically
small charm
finally outlaw is bad and now the PIRATES are complaining so SAD, just admit it ...
funny way to tell us that you are to slow and bad for outlaw 
vernal horizon
I'm practicing a bit on dummy and can get within 85% of my target dummy sim on 6 min. Where is it likely that the last 15% are? I keep up snd, garrote, rupture - try to stay over 50% energy when i can, pool as much as i can. Getting roughly the same envenoms cast as sim, although the sims avg envenom hit for alot more dmg than mine.
Sim envenom: 14 167 742 dmg on 71 casts = 199 546 avg dmg)
My envenoms: 10 160 000 dmg on 69 casts = 147 246 avg dmg)
Link to sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u7Q8PorZ7TN8Hy66Roxzso
I havent played rogue since early shadowlands, so I could be missing something vital.
hollow river
Sir your sadge is melting
the chat has melted his brain.
that or he's on drugs.
vernal horizon
yea its not easy to stay over 50%, i prio chaining envenoms - and if it drop I pool to around 80% energy and start a new chain
balmy condor
Yeh, with tier you don’t play around sanguine at all
vernal horizon
okay il keep that in mind
Can you refresh the improved garrote under 6 sec, or do you wait until the final tick of it to refresh it?
grim jay
Tracking that is freaking wild ngl
potent raven
final star
Can you refresh the improved garrote under 6 sec, or do you wait until the final...
refresh as soon as it falls off
vernal horizon
alright cheers
final star
losing 33% of the improved garrote otherwise
balmy condor
Tracking that is freaking wild ngl
There was a screenshot at some point towards the end of season 3 in here with a guy showing his all-time for the season
Had like 1700 declines and 2300 delists
Actual mental illness
bitter crow
was he like, 1k rating queuing for 12s or what??
cause rogue they usually take
sorry, 21s in S3
grim jay
Actual mental illness
Idk like, tracking that sounds like something out of "How to not enjoy your time 101"
Dunno whats worse, the tracking or queueing that much
grim jay
was he like, 1k rating queuing for 12s or what??
You dont know how much he queues overall
Might aswell have queued 30k times
For example
short fox
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bitter crow
fair, ye
that said, I've had 2.5k+ rating people doing 100k dps etc
mages and wotnot, so with PUGs you really don't know what you're getting
and rating isn't really a thing
grim jay
Mages are probably the worst randoms imo
But ye, rio doesnt mean much most of the time
Especially later down the line
balmy condor
Mages are probably the worst randoms imo
Mages have a new problem apparently
Havoc and outlaw refugees showing up in mage discord with a spell queue window of like 10ms
Struggling to cast
grim jay
Havoc and outlaw refugees showing up in mage discord with a spell queue window o...
Sounds great. Will they keep them or do we have some agreement that we gotta take em back?
rotund oak
<a:OMEGADANCEBUTFAST:952287130812571758>
cant blame them outlaws though,spellsinger arcane is mad padding
🤣
grim jay
The padding stuff has started again
grim jay
No I mean the whole padding this padding that stuff
One day I'll just die inside for good
normal mist
Hello
rotund oak
😂
normal mist
I'm tired, hungry and besides today, I still need to work Monday before my 3 week vacation (at home)
rotund oak
grim jay
I'm tired, hungry and besides today, I still need to work Monday before my 3 wee...
Let daddy take care of you darling
rotund oak
im chilling,no intense working 2-3 days now,i got destroyed during heatwave though with doubleshifts
rotund oak
our was 42C
constantly for like 9-10 days
now its 36
but it drops alot at night
u can sleep like normal person
grim jay
Hopefully you used drought resistent grass seeds
Shit is destroying your garden real quick
rotund oak
oh my garden has a watering system set up
dw my watermelons are big and juicy
ok
that sounded weird but its true
i grow watermelons in my backyard
vestal wren
Havoc and outlaw refugees showing up in mage discord with a spell queue window o...
lol, did nobody tell them to not set it below 150?
gusty mirage
lol, did nobody tell them to not set it below 150?
I hope not
grim jay
u can sleep like normal person
Sleeping like a normal person means it gotta be atleast below 18 for me
rotund oak
Sleeping like a normal person means it gotta be atleast below 18 for me <:kekdog...
its like 20-22 at night here,its comfy
balmy condor
lol, did nobody tell them to not set it below 150?
I guess not
rotund oak
<:PogO:1160145144872435792>
during heat wave it was 28-30
balmy condor
They’ve been showing up with like 10,20,25
rotund oak
midnight mist
balmy condor
You sure are buddy
grim jay
during heat wave it was 28-30
The last time we had 27 close to midnight I slept in my bathtub
balmy condor
The last time we had 27 close to midnight I slept in my bathtub
Wish that was me
grim jay
Wish that was me
Id sleep with you in my bathtub if you want
willow rapids
Wish that was me
The bathtub?
vestal wren
from #outlaw earlier this year
my suggestions usually ended up in the 200-250 ms range
grim jay
Im playing with 165 or something
vestal wren
people also always end up adding their latency on top
balmy condor
The lower my spell queue window the harder I can spam
vestal wren
"do 100 + your latency" or "do 200 + your latency"
rotund oak
<:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
ive got a bed where i hang out with my dog near my warehoure,can also sleep there,its fine
vestal wren
when latency isn't rly relevant
grim jay
ive got a bed where i hang out with my dog near my warehoure,can also sleep ther...
Those waterbeds with a cooling function would prolly be my go to in your case, even if I dont like waterbeds
vestal wren
your game will be shit to play if you have 400 ping reguardless of sqw setting ^^
gusty mirage
The last time we had 27 close to midnight I slept in my bathtub
You too?
desert swallow
How good are the upcoming buffs? Any rough estimates in terms of %?
grim jay
your game will be shit to play if you have 400 ping reguardless of sqw setting ^...
I already start questioning myself why I play at all if I have 80 ping somewhere
grand trail
I had 20 MS I wow but than my provider changes something I have 32-37 now
balmy condor
How good are the upcoming buffs? Any rough estimates in terms of %?
Real hard to tell cause prepatch was kind of a half-assed thing and sims weren’t supporting it and we’re now moving to all the beta changes
It’s tuned for beta
So balance right now is kinda all over the place
grand trail
But those outlaw buffs
grim jay
gusty mirage
grand trail
Btw will be DF tier set working in tww or it's disabled by default
desert swallow
So balance right now is kinda all over the place
So we have to wait till 80 to take Hero into account?
vestal wren
I already start questioning myself why I play at all if I have 80 ping somewhere
people overthink it, there is a little benefit to low ping but overal what matters is having a consistent connection.
balmy condor
Btw will be DF tier set working in tww or it's disabled by default
Disabled in new zone
vestal wren
So we have to wait till 80 to take Hero into account?
you need to wait for raid release or maybe even a week after to have a somewhat reasonable balance
balmy condor
So we have to wait till 80 to take Hero into account?
The patch this week has all the balancing for the hero talents at 80 yes
royal lantern
grim jay
people overthink it, there is a little benefit to low ping but overal what matte...
I only have that ping if its unstable tbf, so that might be it. Im usually at 11 or 12
vestal wren
beta isn't that great balanced atm and plagued with bugs
balmy condor
Deathstalker gonna be kinda weak after they fix the capstone bug I think
rotund oak
Those waterbeds with a cooling function would prolly be my go to in your case, e...
its just an old bed my uncle used to sleep on after coming back from fishing or hunting boars in the mountain.. changed the matrix and fixed it a bit,its a clean beauty now
hanging out at night with beers
maybe
grand trail
There is pozitivem bug
balmy condor
Plenty of them yes
grand trail
I know only negative ones
vestal wren
I only have that ping if its unstable tbf, so that might be it. Im usually at 11...
people who never experienced lag are very sensitive because they never learned to deal with it.
Linus tech tips made a video on it and console players perform noticable better if you add lag, there are some more scientific videos on it too but the mentioned video should be easier to find
also very small numbers are indistinguishable
grand trail
I mean we play on beta just fine
grim jay
people who never experienced lag are very sensitive because they never learned t...
Its probably kinda like fps. Like 60 is pretty fluent but you can indeed tell the difference on some things between 60 and higher
vestal wren
a pro player did lable a shooter as unplayable moving from 20 to 28 ping because he moved to a new place.
grim jay
Sometimes an update or fiddling with screen order sets my screen settings to 60hz from 240hz and I can feel it almost immediately on desktop already
While browsing
vestal wren
i am sure you could have just substracted the 8 from his actual ping in game
and he wouldn't have noticed a diffrence
giving exact numbers makes people overthink it
vestal wren
there are some diffrences
e.g. if you played league of legends
lee sin has a fairly common trick where you place a ward and immidiatly jump to it
if your ping is too high, it changes from being "instant" to a more sequential (one after the other) action
in terms of gameplay the advantage is minimal, but its a visual diffrence
royal lantern
e.g. if you played league of legends
stop there
vestal wren
i used to play it in earlier seasons, haven't rly played it in a while.
Only do some normal games with friends every now and then
i think the community is the biggest problem, but this is true for any game with a more critical mass on players
royal lantern
its legit always just
SPIKES are what sucks, if your MS is stable, 100 is completely fine
vestal wren
you could adjust to lag with leading shots, now it depends more on the netcode
some games do some very weird shit
dapper cradle
for the wowhead sin opener
do you macro tea with shiv?
or do you just shiv right into tea?
crude topaz
I do but I also have it bound by itself
grim jay
do you macro tea with shiv?
You only wanna tea if you dont waste energy
So you can macro tea to shiv but need to make sure to spend energy before
dapper cradle
ah, gotcha
dapper cradle
So you can macro tea to shiv but need to make sure to spend energy before
so, you'd shiv to spend the energy
and the sip on that mud???
grim jay
Shiv has low energy cost
You need to get some muts and envenoms out if you arent already low
Which is plannable
balmy condor
Macroing shiv and tea is kinda okay in aoe and you can ALMOST do it in single target
But deathmark gives a bunch of energy back
So double tea during deathmark is kinda troll
That’s kinda the problem with it
If it weren’t for that would probably be fine
last skiff
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last skiff
Someone have a wa for classic combo points working on the beta?
I cant play with square 
grim jay
do you macro tea with shiv?
That said, currently we dont have that many keybinds and its usually best to not macro that much
last skiff
I want circle é_è
balmy condor
I don’t know of any orb combo point weakauras
dapper cradle
That said, currently we dont have that many keybinds and its usually best to not...
yeah, sin seems in a pretty good spot in terms of buttons rn
balmy condor
You can just change the square
dapper cradle
i made space for ER once TWW hits
last skiff
The one I have dont work anymore ;_;
dapper cradle
same key I use as law
last skiff
let me try that
ivory pine
What pack is that? I like the tea symbol
last skiff
last skiff
nova aspen
a square is a circle 
last skiff
where I change the square 
balmy condor
Under display id assume
vestal wren
you probably need to change the texture.
bleak ledge
last skiff
- wa love to mix french/english
last skiff
bleak ledge
You can copy the display setting from that WA into the group you are using
last skiff
It was the one I have I think
bleak ledge
If you don’t want to use multiple WA
last skiff
dont work anymore
bleak ledge
Likely because of new talent points for combo points
rotund oak
No clue then
for every rogue bro on my dms asking rotational stuff for sin and WAs i need a share for promoting ur vids and wa packs and all
grim jay
thanks davyn <:starege:923197272064426075>
Np
You could use weakaura companion for updates tho
If you dont already
Because people usually update their WAs
last skiff
spring stream
which poison better for m+ instant or deadly?
coarse shuttle
candid hull
which poison better for m+ instant or deadly?
hnngg..
balmy condor
which poison better for m+ instant or deadly?
instant poison does the same up-front damage as deadly and amplifying, but deadly and amplifying have additional bonuses
so by definition deadly will always be better
spring stream
so by definition deadly will always be better
alrigh got it, merci
slate crown
That doesn’t look like anything I added. Changing them to a circle would be a challenge for a few reasons, because they are technically progress bar auras, which have additional options over something like a progress texture. In theory you could convert them to a progress texture but things like the border and glows may get messed up.
It’s something you could just try changing directly by right clicking the aura and doing convert to progress texture, then selecting a circle texture for the fore/background.
But again, may make some elements non functional like the ER borders and glows
Actually, if you remind me later there was an aura I made which allows you to drag around the baseline combo points, you could disable mine in the pack and move the default circle combo points to their place instead. I’m not home right now so I’d have to go find it
last skiff
Yes it was not your wa ! sorry for the confusion. I would like it, I like the pack you made
autumn birch
when my deathmark is on cd and shiv and kingsbane are ready do i just use it like: shiv kingsbane and den second shiv?
normal mist
DM every 2 mins
2x shiv + KB every 1 min
Envenom 5+ CP into DM every 2 mins, into shiv into kb
Tea is used in shiv windows when you gain 100 energy by pressing it
subtle kiln
get better at rng
thorn fjord
subtle kiln
slate crown
Yes it was not your wa ! sorry for the confusion. I would like it, I like the pa...
You can take my pack above and go to the Combo Points aura inside of the Resources group, and disable it by going to the Load tab, and clicking "Never".
Then, you can install this aura which will let you drag/reposition the default combo point frame whereever you'd like. It's absolutely a janky solution, it isn't perfect and it won't stay anchored to the group, you may need to re-drag it if you move things around or change specs (causing more progress bars to appear, like going Trickster sub). Adjusting default UI frames directly isn't ideal in Weakauras so I'm not going to include this as a baseline in the pack, but should work for your case.
Also, I tried doing Convert -> Progress Texture which does work with some adjustments but it doesn't really match the rest of my styling, at least without taking much more time to work on it. If you want to spend time adjusting display settings you could go that route instead.
Let me know if you run into any issues
(Of course don't have to use my pack, can just take the repositioner above for whatever you need)
potent raven
o_o
tawny pagoda
is there any current ST sim from TWW beta?